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13:32:50 <RRSAgent> logging to http://www.w3.org/2007/08/15-xhtml-irc
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13:33:00 <Steven> rrsagent, make log public
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13:33:11 <Steven> zakim, this will be xhtml
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13:33:11 <Zakim> ok, Steven; I see IA_XHTML2()10:00AM scheduled to start in 27 minutes
Zakim IRC Bot: ok, Steven; I see IA_XHTML2()10:00AM scheduled to start in 27 minutes ←
13:34:51 <Steven> Meeting: XHTML2 WG Weekly Teleconference
13:35:00 <Steven> Chair: Roland and Steven
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13:35:57 <Steven> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2007Aug/0013
13:36:08 <Steven> Steven has changed the topic to: Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2007Aug/0013
Steven Pemberton: Steven has changed the topic to: Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2007Aug/0013 ←
13:37:06 <Steven> Regrets: Masataka, Alexander(2x)
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13:37:39 <Steven> Previous -> http://www.w3.org/2007/08/08-xhtml-minutes
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13:37:46 <Steven> rrsagent, make minutes
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13:37:46 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/08/15-xhtml-minutes.html Steven
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13:48:22 <Tina> Good afternoon, Gregory.
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Tina Holmboe: Good afternoon, Gregory. ←
13:48:32 <oedipus> good morning, tina!
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Unknown oedipus: good morning, tina! ←
13:51:22 <Tina> The wonders of timezones. I hope my regret mail made it - I am in an unscheduled client meeting, alas.
Tina Holmboe: The wonders of timezones. I hope my regret mail made it - I am in an unscheduled client meeting, alas. ←
13:52:02 <oedipus> yep, they're posted in the archive
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Unknown oedipus: yep, they're posted in the archive ←
13:52:10 <oedipus> i'll make sure you get into the minutes
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Unknown oedipus: i'll make sure you get into the minutes ←
13:54:09 <oedipus> late breaking regrets: Tina Holmboe, Alexander Graf
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Unknown oedipus: late breaking regrets: Tina Holmboe, Alexander Graf ←
13:56:42 <alessio> hallo
Alessio Cartocci: hallo ←
13:56:52 <oedipus> aloha, alessio!
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Unknown oedipus: aloha, alessio! ←
13:57:50 <myakura> hi guys
Masataka Yakura: hi guys ←
13:58:06 <oedipus> aloha!
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Unknown oedipus: aloha! ←
13:58:52 <Steven> hello
Steven Pemberton: hello ←
13:59:04 <oedipus> Steven: did you receive the late breaking regrets: Tina Holmboe, Alexander Graf
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Steven Pemberton: did you receive the late breaking regrets: Tina Holmboe, Alexander Graf [ Scribe Assist by Unknown oedipus ] ←
13:59:37 <Steven> Regrets+Tina
Steven Pemberton: Regrets+Tina ←
13:59:58 <Steven> zakim, dial steven-617
Steven Pemberton: zakim, dial steven-617 ←
13:59:58 <Zakim> ok, Steven; the call is being made
Zakim IRC Bot: ok, Steven; the call is being made ←
13:59:59 <Zakim> IA_XHTML2()10:00AM has now started
Zakim IRC Bot: IA_XHTML2()10:00AM has now started ←
14:00:12 <Zakim> +Steven
Zakim IRC Bot: +Steven ←
14:00:14 <ShaneM> zakim, code
Shane McCarron: zakim, code ←
14:00:14 <Zakim> I don't understand 'code', ShaneM
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14:00:21 <Zakim> +Gregory_Rosmiata
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14:00:21 <Steven> zakim, code?
Steven Pemberton: zakim, code? ←
14:00:22 <Zakim> the conference code is 94865 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), Steven
Zakim IRC Bot: the conference code is 94865 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), Steven ←
14:00:44 <Zakim> + +013868aaaa
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14:00:53 <Zakim> + +1.763.767.aabb
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14:01:01 <ShaneM> zakim, aabb is ShaneM
Shane McCarron: zakim, aabb is ShaneM ←
14:01:01 <Zakim> +ShaneM; got it
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14:01:06 <Steven> zakim, aaaa is Roland_
Steven Pemberton: zakim, aaaa is Roland_ ←
14:01:06 <Zakim> +Roland_; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +Roland_; got it ←
14:01:18 <Zakim> +??P4
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14:01:32 <yamx> Zakim, ??P4 is yamx
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Unknown yamx: Zakim, ??P4 is yamx ←
14:01:32 <Zakim> +yamx; got it
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14:02:27 <Zakim> +??P7
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P7 ←
14:02:41 <alessio> zakim, ??P7 is alessio
Alessio Cartocci: zakim, ??P7 is alessio ←
14:02:41 <Zakim> +alessio; got it
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14:02:42 <Zakim> +??P8
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14:02:47 <markbirbeck> zakim, I am ?
Mark Birbeck: zakim, I am ? ←
14:02:47 <Zakim> +markbirbeck; got it
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14:03:43 <Steven> zakim, who is here?
Steven Pemberton: zakim, who is here? ←
14:03:43 <Zakim> On the phone I see Steven, Gregory_Rosmiata, Roland_, ShaneM, yamx, alessio, markbirbeck
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see Steven, Gregory_Rosmiata, Roland_, ShaneM, yamx, alessio, markbirbeck ←
14:03:45 <Zakim> On IRC I see yamx, Roland_, markbirbeck, alessio, ShaneM, oedipus, myakura, Tina, RRSAgent, Zakim, Steven, Lachy
Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see yamx, Roland_, markbirbeck, alessio, ShaneM, oedipus, myakura, Tina, RRSAgent, Zakim, Steven, Lachy ←
14:04:08 <oedipus> GJR: requests continuation of action item re: ARIA description to joint task force -- request of PF that i vett it before the PF WG
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Unknown GJR: requests continuation of action item re: ARIA description to joint task force -- request of PF that i vett it before the PF WG [ Scribe Assist by Unknown oedipus ] ←
14:04:23 <oedipus> scribe: Gregory J. Rosmaita
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(Scribe set to Unknown Rosmaita)
14:04:29 <oedipus> scribenick: oedipus
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(Scribe set to Unknown oedipus)
14:04:56 <oedipus> SP: reminder -- face2face 4 weeks away -- now's the time to book transport and lodging
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Steven Pemberton: reminder -- face2face 4 weeks away -- now's the time to book transport and lodging ←
14:05:31 <oedipus> SP: have to work out agenda for f2f in next week or so; many things very obvious, but need to know if individuals want to add issues to agenda so can alot time
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Steven Pemberton: have to work out agenda for f2f in next week or so; many things very obvious, but need to know if individuals want to add issues to agenda so can alot time ←
14:06:31 <oedipus> TOPIC: reply to comments on modularization 1.1 by schema WG -- mark, have you had a chance to look at it; have 2 or 3 places of potential agreement/disagreement
14:06:50 <oedipus> SP: in particular reply to them about substitution rules
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Steven Pemberton: in particular reply to them about substitution rules ←
14:07:18 <oedipus> SP: given element can only appear in a single substitution group -- not sufficient for us, unless we misunderstand
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Steven Pemberton: given element can only appear in a single substitution group -- not sufficient for us, unless we misunderstand ←
14:08:05 <oedipus> Mark: not a problem; looked at it twice -- when doing schemas -- substitution groups seems to me the right way to go, but a lot of work involved -- thought WG agreed may do for future version, but technically they are correct
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Mark Birbeck: not a problem; looked at it twice -- when doing schemas -- substitution groups seems to me the right way to go, but a lot of work involved -- thought WG agreed may do for future version, but technically they are correct ←
14:08:17 <Zakim> +??P0
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P0 ←
14:08:20 <oedipus> SP: we'd be interested in using it in a future version, with input from them
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Steven Pemberton: we'd be interested in using it in a future version, with input from them ←
14:08:32 <Rich> Zakim, ??P0 is Rich
Richard Schwerdtfeger: Zakim, ??P0 is Rich ←
14:08:32 <Zakim> +Rich; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +Rich; got it ←
14:08:58 <ShaneM> I am pretty sure we have elements that need to be in more than one group.
Shane McCarron: I am pretty sure we have elements that need to be in more than one group. ←
14:09:14 <oedipus> Mark: correct solution; opens up interesting ideas on how to allow people to add own elements easily or even on the fly -- DanC supporter; element x is of a certain type and then can use anywhere without defining complex types
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Mark Birbeck: correct solution; opens up interesting ideas on how to allow people to add own elements easily or even on the fly -- DanC supporter; element x is of a certain type and then can use anywhere without defining complex types ←
14:09:58 <oedipus> Mark: this element is part of substitution group X, rather than of type X -- if type, needs children and attributes; almost like a base class in object terminology
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Mark Birbeck: this element is part of substitution group X, rather than of type X -- if type, needs children and attributes; almost like a base class in object terminology ←
14:10:00 <oedipus> SP: collection
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Steven Pemberton: collection ←
14:10:44 <oedipus> Mark: right; not making any great claims as to type of element; closer to model we want for CDF; child of a DIV -- don't say anything about the type of elements they are, but they are the types of elements that go into a DIV
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Mark Birbeck: right; not making any great claims as to type of element; closer to model we want for CDF; child of a DIV -- don't say anything about the type of elements they are, but they are the types of elements that go into a DIV ←
14:10:57 <oedipus> SP: don't want to redesign modularization using substitution groups
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Steven Pemberton: don't want to redesign modularization using substitution groups ←
14:11:04 <oedipus> Mark: would be tremendous amount of work
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Mark Birbeck: would be tremendous amount of work ←
14:11:14 <oedipus> SP: and we'd have to go back to last call
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Steven Pemberton: and we'd have to go back to last call ←
14:11:26 <oedipus> SP: schedule this change for modularization 2 from 1.1
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Steven Pemberton: schedule this change for modularization 2 from 1.1 ←
14:12:06 <oedipus> Mark: tell them we understand concept, is right one, but not now -- concept correct, but feel value in schemas we currently have -- they are useful so why not get them out?
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Mark Birbeck: tell them we understand concept, is right one, but not now -- concept correct, but feel value in schemas we currently have -- they are useful so why not get them out? ←
14:12:14 <oedipus> SP: i'll reword that section
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Steven Pemberton: i'll reword that section ←
14:12:53 <oedipus> SP: what about integration sets?
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Steven Pemberton: what about integration sets? ←
14:13:18 <oedipus> SH: they must be claiming difficult to do with our schema modularization?
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Shane McCarron: they must be claiming difficult to do with our schema modularization? ←
14:13:21 <Steven> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2007Jul/0011
Steven Pemberton: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2007Jul/0011 ←
14:13:33 <oedipus> SP: question marked 2.11
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Steven Pemberton: question marked 2.11 ←
14:13:48 <oedipus> Mark: gut feeling is they are wrong
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Mark Birbeck: gut feeling is they are wrong ←
14:14:24 <oedipus> SP: intention may be wrong but only wrong in that we require modularization, if don't use modularization for integration into documents, that might be the sticking point
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Steven Pemberton: intention may be wrong but only wrong in that we require modularization, if don't use modularization for integration into documents, that might be the sticking point ←
14:15:32 <oedipus> Mark: this used to be easier than it is now -- when first started second wave of work on this, schemas had any element could be root; changed to HTML and then everything froze after that; may not be any more entry points further down tree; if trying to put DIV inside SSD documentation -- what would they refer to in our schemas?
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Mark Birbeck: this used to be easier than it is now -- when first started second wave of work on this, schemas had any element could be root; changed to HTML and then everything froze after that; may not be any more entry points further down tree; if trying to put DIV inside SSD documentation -- what would they refer to in our schemas? ←
14:16:10 <oedipus> SP: modularization -- if html hosting lang, have to have html; jabber uses DTD version of XHTML not HTML
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Steven Pemberton: modularization -- if html hosting lang, have to have html; jabber uses DTD version of XHTML not HTML ←
14:16:26 <oedipus> Shane: they had a version similar like this -- worked on it; published
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Shane McCarron: they had a version similar like this -- worked on it; published ←
14:16:47 <oedipus> Mark: where do we describe how to use this for inspector with no deep knowledge
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Mark Birbeck: where do we describe how to use this for inspector with no deep knowledge ←
14:17:33 <oedipus> Appendix B of Modularization -- talks about how to do schema; appendix E how to do with DTDs; describes how to create a host language; don't define integration process
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Appendix B of Modularization -- talks about how to do schema; appendix E how to do with DTDs; describes how to create a host language; don't define integration process ←
14:17:49 <oedipus> SP: don't describe how to do it, but do describe what it is, right?
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Steven Pemberton: don't describe how to do it, but do describe what it is, right? ←
14:17:58 <oedipus> SP: therefore it should be possible
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Steven Pemberton: therefore it should be possible ←
14:18:04 <ShaneM> We define Integration Set at http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/2007/ED-xhtml-modularization-20070404/conformance.html#s_integration_document_type
Shane McCarron: We define Integration Set at http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/2007/ED-xhtml-modularization-20070404/conformance.html#s_integration_document_type ←
14:18:06 <oedipus> Mark: possible, just don't have an example
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Mark Birbeck: possible, just don't have an example ←
14:18:26 <oedipus> SP: response
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Steven Pemberton: response ←
14:18:48 <oedipus> Mark: should be able to do what should do -- add to appendix as descriptive thing?
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Mark Birbeck: should be able to do what should do -- add to appendix as descriptive thing? ←
14:18:59 <oedipus> Shane: don't think can answer now
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Shane McCarron: don't think can answer now ←
14:19:07 <oedipus> SP: appendix b how to create new doctype
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Steven Pemberton: appendix b how to create new doctype ←
14:19:16 <oedipus> Shane: still a host language with HTML base
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Shane McCarron: still a host language with HTML base ←
14:19:24 <oedipus> SP: nothing about new lang with new root element
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Steven Pemberton: nothing about new lang with new root element ←
14:19:45 <oedipus> Shane: something that doesn't use our structure or framework mark says is impossible in schema
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Shane McCarron: something that doesn't use our structure or framework mark says is impossible in schema ←
14:20:30 <oedipus> ??: need more info on scenario -- why should i create complete host language just to do this simple thing; true, but can't validate if you do; another example without HTML root base needed
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??: need more info on scenario -- why should i create complete host language just to do this simple thing; true, but can't validate if you do; another example without HTML root base needed ←
14:20:44 <oedipus> Mark: ask them for clarification -- need to understand scenario better
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Mark Birbeck: ask them for clarification -- need to understand scenario better ←
14:20:50 <oedipus> SP: accept our framework, right?
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Steven Pemberton: accept our framework, right? ←
14:21:58 <oedipus> ??: if want to incorporate into XML Schema don't want modularized, could introduce a schema for schema so objectX can be defined; could they use our blocks without using our entire framework? i would suggest they could -- should allow people to use pipes
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??: if want to incorporate into XML Schema don't want modularized, could introduce a schema for schema so objectX can be defined; could they use our blocks without using our entire framework? i would suggest they could -- should allow people to use pipes ←
14:22:02 <oedipus> SP: should be or can now?
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Steven Pemberton: should be or can now? ←
14:22:36 <oedipus> Mark?: could now, but need examples -- if had DIV can put any HTML you like under DIV, this is the block from our framework that you use
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Mark?: could now, but need examples -- if had DIV can put any HTML you like under DIV, this is the block from our framework that you use ←
14:22:43 <oedipus> Shane: answer fine
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Shane McCarron: answer fine ←
14:23:08 <oedipus> SP: 2 action items here: SP writes and says current scheme allows you to do this, but need examples, second part creation of examples
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Steven Pemberton: 2 action items here: SP writes and says current scheme allows you to do this, but need examples, second part creation of examples ←
14:24:00 <oedipus> Mark: if schema for applet this is how you would add reference to schema (inline=flow or inline=block)
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Mark Birbeck: if schema for Atom this is how you would add reference to schema (inline=flow or inline=block) ←
14:24:09 <oedipus> SP: mark write example and shane documentation?
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Steven Pemberton: mark write example and shane documentation? ←
14:24:15 <markbirbeck> s/applet/Atom/
14:24:20 <oedipus> Shane: need example before can document
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Shane McCarron: need example before can document ←
14:24:36 <oedipus> ACTION: Steve reply
ACTION: Steve reply ←
14:24:45 <oedipus> ACTION: mark incorporate change into document
ACTION: Shane incorporate change into document ←
14:24:51 <Steven> s/mark/Shane/
14:25:08 <oedipus> ACTION: mark creates example
ACTION: mark creates example ←
14:25:40 <oedipus> TOPIC: Testing XHTML Basic 1.1
14:25:46 <oedipus> for reference: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2007Jul/0035
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for reference: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2007Jul/0035 ←
14:26:01 <oedipus> SP: check on what we think situation is with regards to leaving CR for document
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Steven Pemberton: check on what we think situation is with regards to leaving CR for document ←
14:27:44 <markbirbeck> zakim mute me
Mark Birbeck: zakim mute me ←
14:27:46 <oedipus> Yam: next test -- september 7 to 14 in dusseldorf -- roadmap will be tested -- attempting next steps --- provide test materials to w3c and steve will answer that input mode tests provided by OMA (?) will be tested
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Toshihiko Yamakami: next test -- september 7 to 14 in dusseldorf -- roadmap will be tested -- attempting next steps --- provide test materials to w3c and steve will answer that input mode tests provided by OMA (?) will be tested ←
14:28:48 <oedipus> SP: ok, waiting for results -- test of XHTML1.1 missing xmlns declaration and dtd missing -- will test suitte for 1.0 be updated to 1.1 or still test against 1.0
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Steven Pemberton: ok, waiting for results -- test of XHTML1.1 missing xmlns declaration and dtd missing -- will test suitte for 1.0 be updated to 1.1 or still test against 1.0 ←
14:29:21 <oedipus> Yam: combine versions -- DTD with xmlns going to be discussed internally, hope reach candidate stage by end of september or october
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Toshihiko Yamakami: combine versions -- DTD with xmlns going to be discussed internally, hope reach candidate stage by end of september or october ←
14:29:35 <oedipus> SP: basic 1.1 test suite won't be done until earliest October 2007?
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Steven Pemberton: basic 1.1 test suite won't be done until earliest October 2007? ←
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14:30:57 <oedipus> Yam: states for 1.1 -- candidate recommendation will provide; mobile 1.3 quite stable; next stage double test; ecmascript and test css mobile, ecmaspace mobile -- needs editing; reason why original milestone slipped
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Toshihiko Yamakami: states for 1.1 -- candidate recommendation will provide; mobile 1.3 quite stable; next stage double test; ecmascript and test css mobile, ecmaspace mobile -- needs editing; reason why original milestone slipped ←
14:31:02 <oedipus> SP: wait and see, ok
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Steven Pemberton: wait and see, ok ←
14:32:19 <oedipus> SP: roland mentioned to me that XFrames sitting dormant -- told him would get new draft out based on comments we have and then discuss at face2face -- give those not familiar with XFrames can study it in preperation for f2f; definitely on agenda with aim of getting to LC as soon as possible
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Steven Pemberton: roland mentioned to me that XFrames sitting dormant -- told him would get new draft out based on comments we have and then discuss at face2face -- give those not familiar with XFrames can study it in preperation for f2f; definitely on agenda with aim of getting to LC as soon as possible ←
14:32:52 <Steven> Topic: DL@value
14:32:53 <Steven> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-html-editor/2007JulSep/0014
Steven Pemberton: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-html-editor/2007JulSep/0014 ←
14:33:00 <Steven> s/value/type/
14:34:07 <oedipus> SP: think it is right that in legacy module type is that DL element has type attribute -- HTML4 it doesn't -- only UL and OL have type attributes in HTML
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Steven Pemberton: think it is right that in legacy module type is that DL element has type attribute -- HTML4 it doesn't -- only UL and OL have type attributes in HTML ←
14:34:12 <oedipus> Shane: remove that?
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Shane McCarron: remove that? ←
14:34:35 <oedipus> SP: correct thing to do -- PR with identity 10000 -- that's a milestone as well
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Steven Pemberton: correct thing to do -- PR with identity 10000 -- that's a milestone as well ←
14:34:55 <oedipus> SP: agreement?
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Steven Pemberton: agreement? ←
14:35:10 <oedipus> Mark: implementations correct, just spec that is wrong
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Shane McCarron: implementations correct, just spec that is wrong ←
14:35:22 <oedipus> SP: burning issues anyone?
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Steven Pemberton: burning issues anyone? ←
14:35:33 <oedipus> SP: new comments about XHTML2 events from forms WG
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Steven Pemberton: new comments about XHTML2 events from forms WG ←
14:36:01 <oedipus> XML Base and Modularization -- concerned about possible to do this in 1.1
14:36:12 <oedipus> Shane: belief is can't add in 1.1
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Shane McCarron: belief is can't add in 1.1 ←
14:36:12 <markbirbeck> s/Mark: impl/Shane: impl/
14:36:27 <oedipus> SP: would invalidate existing implementations, right -- that's the big problem, a new normative req
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Steven Pemberton: would invalidate existing implementations, right -- that's the big problem, a new normative req ←
14:36:35 <oedipus> Shane: yes
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Shane McCarron: yes ←
14:36:38 <oedipus> SP: sounds about right
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Steven Pemberton: sounds about right ←
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14:37:10 <oedipus> SP: never intended to discuss for 1.1 -- put it in Modularization 2 and XHTML2 and leave it with that
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Steven Pemberton: never intended to discuss for 1.1 -- put it in Modularization 2 and XHTML2 and leave it with that ←
14:37:33 <oedipus> Mark: ramifications for RDFa -- XHTML + RDFa -- how to integrate
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Shane McCarron: ramifications for RDFa -- XHTML + RDFa -- how to integrate ←
14:37:48 <oedipus> SP: does RDF ever use relative URIs other than for HREF?
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Steven Pemberton: does RDF ever use relative URIs other than for HREF? ←
14:37:55 <oedipus> Mark: and resource, now
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Mark Birbeck: and resource, now ←
14:38:11 <markbirbeck> s/Mark: ram/Shane: ram/
14:38:14 <markbirbeck> :)
Mark Birbeck: :) ←
14:38:43 <oedipus> SP: if XML Base being used in doc RDFa should not have XHTML base -- should be what host lang supplies
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Steven Pemberton: if XML Base being used in doc RDFa should not have XHTML base -- should be what host lang supplies ←
14:39:04 <oedipus> Shane/Mark: how can their be modularization?
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Shane/Mark: how can their be modularization? ←
14:39:23 <oedipus> SP: can add to modularization, but not necessarily use it -- model but drivers for language should have already been added
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Steven Pemberton: can add to modularization, but not necessarily use it -- model but drivers for language should have already been added ←
14:39:45 <oedipus> Mark: given that is still in final draft, people can't expect it be frozen
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Mark Birbeck: given that is still in final draft, people can't expect it be frozen ←
14:40:00 <oedipus> Shane: 1.1 is clarifications and errata -- not a new spec
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Shane McCarron: 1.1 is clarifications and errata -- not a new spec ←
14:40:16 <oedipus> SP: for langs to use Mod 1.1 would not have to change?
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Steven Pemberton: for langs to use Mod 1.1 would not have to change? ←
14:40:29 <oedipus> Mark: then why simultaneously create 2.0
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Mark Birbeck: then why simultaneously create 1.2 ←
14:40:56 <oedipus> SP: why create model that includes XML Base so that nothing would change in lang using modularizatino, but future langs using 1.1 will be able to use it
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Steven Pemberton: why notcreate model that includes XML Base so that nothing would change in lang using modularizatino, but future langs using 1.1 will be able to use it ←
14:40:59 <markbirbeck> s/why /why not/
14:41:08 <markbirbeck> s/2.0/1.2/
14:41:47 <oedipus> SP: don't add XML Base, but XHTML base can be included using the base module
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Steven Pemberton: don't add XML Base, but XHTML base can be included using the base module ←
14:42:42 <oedipus> Mark: shouldn't be defining XML Base; xml:lang etc. all defined elsewhere; talking about modifying not creating module
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Mark Birbeck: shouldn't be defining XML Base; xml:lang etc. all defined elsewhere; talking about modifying not creating module ←
14:42:53 <oedipus> Shane: no
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Shane McCarron: no ←
14:43:20 <oedipus> SP: XHTML SD gives base id lang space (ns?) -- where did we get xml:lang from?
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Steven Pemberton: XHTML SD gives base id lang space (ns?) -- where did we get xml:lang from? ←
14:43:26 <oedipus> Shane: internationalization module
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Shane McCarron: internationalization module ←
14:43:42 <markbirbeck> http://www.w3.org/2001/xml.xsd
Mark Birbeck: http://www.w3.org/2001/xml.xsd ←
14:44:20 <oedipus> Mark: where does xml:space come from? we define it -- this is why group became confused -- in XForms include module; modularization included all that was there at the time; are we trying to solve problem doesn't exist
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Mark Birbeck: where does xml:space come from? we define it -- this is why group became confused -- in XForms include module; modularization included all that was there at the time; are we trying to solve problem doesn't exist ←
14:44:40 <oedipus> Shane: caution: abstraction model
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Shane McCarron: caution: abstraction model ←
14:44:57 <oedipus> Mark: XML Base will be available, not be abstraction level describing but in schema
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Mark Birbeck: XML Base will be available, not be abstraction level describing but in schema ←
14:45:55 <oedipus> Shane: never shipped schema so if done, not yet normative; attribute doesn't necessarily appear in content model
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Shane McCarron: never shipped schema so if done, not yet normative; attribute doesn't necessarily appear in content model ←
14:45:58 <Steven> http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml-modularization/schema_module_defs.html#a_schema_module_defs
Steven Pemberton: http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml-modularization/schema_module_defs.html#a_schema_module_defs ←
14:46:08 <oedipus> Mark: special attributes imported already if included
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Mark Birbeck: special attributes imported already if included ←
14:46:20 <oedipus> Shane: if that the case, would be getting errors doing it twice
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Shane McCarron: if that the case, would be getting errors doing it twice ←
14:46:25 <oedipus> Mark: lang only one?
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Mark Birbeck: lang only one? ←
14:46:30 <oedipus> Shane: :space as well
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Shane McCarron: :space as well ←
14:46:41 <oedipus> Mark: shouldn't be doing explicitly, then
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Mark Birbeck: shouldn't be doing explicitly, then ←
14:46:56 <oedipus> Shane: schema implementation -- raised XML Base issue
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Shane McCarron: schema implementation -- raised XML Base issue ←
14:47:35 <oedipus> Mark: yes, but how to get out of it, yes you are right need schemas -- import what we need now, but if address things in schema that aren't in prose, what's wrong with XML Base
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Mark Birbeck: yes, but how to get out of it, yes you are right need schemas -- import what we need now, but if address things in schema that aren't in prose, what's wrong with XML Base ←
14:47:48 <oedipus> Shane: req implementations to change relative URIs
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Shane McCarron: req implementations to change relative URIs ←
14:47:57 <oedipus> Shane: yeah
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Shane McCarron: yeah ←
14:48:18 <oedipus> Mark: where does that leave XML itself and our claim that XHTML is an XML language
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Mark Birbeck: where does that leave XML itself and our claim that XHTML is an XML language ←
14:48:35 <oedipus> Shane: not in XML predates XHTML
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Shane McCarron: not in XML predates XHTML ←
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14:49:34 <oedipus> SP: where does that leave us -- if not in DTD base modularization shouldn't be in schema, but should be in future versions -- 2 choices: add model that adds support for :lang but not in current work, or 2) put off to next iteration
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Steven Pemberton: where does that leave us -- if not in DTD base modularization shouldn't be in schema, but should be in future versions -- 2 choices: add model that adds support for :lang but not in current work, or 2) put off to next iteration ←
14:49:51 <oedipus> Mark: is there a case for getting something out such as we ahve now but supports XML Base
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Mark Birbeck: is there a case for getting something out such as we ahve now but supports XML Base ←
14:50:17 <oedipus> SP: could do by adding module that includes base but not prerequisite of every instance
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Steven Pemberton: could do by adding module that includes base but not prerequisite of every instance ←
14:50:38 <oedipus> Mark: module way needs to reference parts to XSD seperately;
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Mark Birbeck: module way needs to reference parts to XSD seperately; ←
14:51:03 <oedipus> SP: XML.xsd -- pull in data types and create own attributes based on state values -- already putting in parts of XSD
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Steven Pemberton: XML.xsd -- pull in data types and create own attributes based on state values -- already putting in parts of XSD ←
14:51:23 <oedipus> Mark: if support for XML base, wouldn't that cover the problem?
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Mark Birbeck: if support for XML base, wouldn't that cover the problem? ←
14:51:35 <oedipus> SP: could do that now -- XML Base Module
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Steven Pemberton: could do that now -- XML Base Module ←
14:51:55 <oedipus> Mark: 1.2 should state going to import XML from XSD
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Mark Birbeck: 1.2 should state going to import XML from XSD ←
14:52:11 <oedipus> Shane: if wait until 1.2 or 2.0 that's ok, but a few years down the road
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Shane McCarron: if wait until 1.2 or 2.0 that's ok, but a few years down the road ←
14:52:28 <oedipus> SP: people can create their own XMLbase in own drivers; don't have to include in module
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Steven Pemberton: people can create their own XMLbase in own drivers; don't have to include in module ←
14:52:37 <oedipus> Shane: no constituency has use case for this
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Shane McCarron: no constituency has use case for this ←
14:52:48 <oedipus> Mark: any UA that supports XML base
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Mark Birbeck: any UA that supports XML base ←
14:53:00 <oedipus> SP: not talking about browser langs; jabber isn't a browser lang
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Steven Pemberton: not talking about browser langs; jabber isn't a browser lang ←
14:53:08 <oedipus> Shane: nor does it include XML Base
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Shane McCarron: nor does it include XML Base ←
14:53:32 <oedipus> SP: don't know what use this is to be put to -- bank could use XML pipeline using XML base without anyone ever knowing
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Steven Pemberton: don't know what use this is to be put to -- bank could use XML pipeline using XML base without anyone ever knowing ←
14:53:41 <oedipus> SP: resolution for this issue: 3 options:
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Steven Pemberton: resolution for this issue: 3 options: ←
14:53:48 <oedipus> 1) add as module in this version
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1) add as module in this version ←
14:53:56 <oedipus> 2) add to future version to be determined in future
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2) add to future version to be determined in future ←
14:54:19 <oedipus> 3) well, the first 2 are only 2 because people can but in own drivers
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3) well, the first 2 are only 2 because people can but in own drivers ←
14:54:25 <oedipus> SP: add module know or later
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Steven Pemberton: add module know or later ←
14:54:49 <oedipus> Shane: third option -- produce seperate module as did for access (XHTML access module)
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Shane McCarron: third option -- produce seperate module as did for access (XHTML access module) ←
14:55:09 <oedipus> SP: either make a seperate module for it or put in next version, just so can get modularization done
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Steven Pemberton: either make a seperate module for it or put in next version, just so can get modularization done ←
14:55:31 <oedipus> SP: do not put XML base in current modularization; do by creating a seperate model or putting into a future version
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Steven Pemberton: do not put XML base in current modularization; do by creating a seperate model or putting into a future version ←
14:55:50 <oedipus> ??: why not just do the work writing the module rather than talking about it
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??: why not just do the work writing the module rather than talking about it ←
14:55:57 <oedipus> SP: include the module in modularization now?
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Steven Pemberton: include the module in modularization now? ←
14:56:06 <oedipus> ??: define now, don't use in protocol
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??: define now, don't use in protocol ←
14:56:11 <oedipus> SP: can live with that
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Steven Pemberton: can live with that ←
14:56:45 <oedipus> Mark: fine -- let's get current modularization out the door, but wonder if can be done quickely given our WG burdens
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Mark Birbeck: fine -- let's get current modularization out the door, but wonder if can be done quickely given our WG burdens ←
14:57:16 <oedipus> Mark: in some future version collect modules created along the way; XHTML2 might include access module and others to be added to core in future
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Mark Birbeck: in some future version collect modules created along the way; XHTML M12N version 2 might include access module and others to be added to core in future ←
14:57:23 <oedipus> Roland: can live with it
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Roland Merrick: can live with it ←
14:57:42 <oedipus> RESOLUTION: do NOT include XML Base in current version of modularization but put into future version
RESOLVED: do NOT include XML Base in current version of modularization but put into future version ←
14:57:44 <markbirbeck> s/XHTML2/XHTML M12N version 2/
14:58:03 <oedipus> SP: good place to end
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Steven Pemberton: good place to end ←
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14:58:21 <Zakim> Attendees were Steven, Gregory_Rosmiata, +013868aaaa, +1.763.767.aabb, ShaneM, Roland_, yamx, alessio, markbirbeck, Rich
Zakim IRC Bot: Attendees were Steven, Gregory_Rosmiata, +013868aaaa, +1.763.767.aabb, ShaneM, Roland_, yamx, alessio, markbirbeck, Rich ←
14:59:36 <Steven> rrsagent, make minutes
Steven Pemberton: rrsagent, make minutes ←
14:59:36 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/08/15-xhtml-minutes.html Steven
RRSAgent IRC Bot: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/08/15-xhtml-minutes.html Steven ←
15:00:20 <alessio> bye
Alessio Cartocci: bye ←
15:00:53 <Steven> s/XML Base and Modularization/Topic: XML Base and Modularization/
15:01:00 <Steven> rrsagent, make minutes
Steven Pemberton: rrsagent, make minutes ←
15:01:00 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/08/15-xhtml-minutes.html Steven
RRSAgent IRC Bot: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/08/15-xhtml-minutes.html Steven ←
15:02:34 <markbirbeck> zakim, code?
Mark Birbeck: zakim, code? ←
15:02:34 <Zakim> the conference code is hidden, markbirbeck
Zakim IRC Bot: the conference code is hidden, markbirbeck ←
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