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Minutes of 08 August 2007

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Alessio Cartocci, Roland Merrick, Shane McCarron, Unknown anne, Unknown yamx
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14:00:10 <RRSAgent> logging to http://www.w3.org/2007/08/08-xhtml-irc

RRSAgent IRC Bot: logging to http://www.w3.org/2007/08/08-xhtml-irc

14:00:20 <ShaneM> rrsagent, make public

Shane McCarron: rrsagent, make public

14:00:20 <RRSAgent> I'm logging. I don't understand 'make public ', ShaneM.  Try /msg RRSAgent help

RRSAgent IRC Bot: I'm logging. I don't understand 'make public ', ShaneM. Try /msg RRSAgent help

14:01:04 <Zakim> +ShaneM

Zakim IRC Bot: +ShaneM

14:01:55 <Zakim> +??P8

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P8

14:02:08 <alessio> zakim, +??P8 is Alessio

Alessio Cartocci: zakim, +??P8 is Alessio

14:02:08 <Zakim> sorry, alessio, I do not recognize a party named '+??P8'

Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, alessio, I do not recognize a party named '+??P8'

14:02:23 <alessio> zakim, +??P8 is Alessio

Alessio Cartocci: zakim, +??P8 is Alessio

14:02:23 <Zakim> sorry, alessio, I do not recognize a party named '+??P8'

Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, alessio, I do not recognize a party named '+??P8'

14:02:23 <ShaneM>  rrsagent, make record public

Shane McCarron: rrsagent, make record public

14:02:38 <Zakim> +??P9

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P9

14:02:51 <yamx> Zakim, +??P9 is yamx

Scribe problem: the name 'yamx' does not match any of the 19 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Alessio Cartocci Alexander Graf Elias Torres John Kugelman Luca Mascaro Mark Birbeck Masataka Yakura Michael Rawling Richard Schwerdtfeger Roland Merrick Sebastian Schnitzenbaumer Shane McCarron Steven Pemberton Susan Borgrink Tina Holmboe Toshihiko Yamakami Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot

Scribe problem: the name 'yamx' does not match any of the 19 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Alessio Cartocci Alexander Graf Elias Torres John Kugelman Luca Mascaro Mark Birbeck Masataka Yakura Michael Rawling Richard Schwerdtfeger Roland Merrick Sebastian Schnitzenbaumer Shane McCarron Steven Pemberton Susan Borgrink Tina Holmboe Toshihiko Yamakami Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot

Unknown yamx: Zakim, +??P9 is yamx

14:02:51 <Zakim> sorry, yamx, I do not recognize a party named '+??P9'

Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, yamx, I do not recognize a party named '+??P9'

14:03:08 <yamx> Oh!

Scribe problem: the name 'yamx' does not match any of the 19 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Alessio Cartocci Alexander Graf Elias Torres John Kugelman Luca Mascaro Mark Birbeck Masataka Yakura Michael Rawling Richard Schwerdtfeger Roland Merrick Sebastian Schnitzenbaumer Shane McCarron Steven Pemberton Susan Borgrink Tina Holmboe Toshihiko Yamakami Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot

Scribe problem: the name 'yamx' does not match any of the 19 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Alessio Cartocci Alexander Graf Elias Torres John Kugelman Luca Mascaro Mark Birbeck Masataka Yakura Michael Rawling Richard Schwerdtfeger Roland Merrick Sebastian Schnitzenbaumer Shane McCarron Steven Pemberton Susan Borgrink Tina Holmboe Toshihiko Yamakami Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot

Unknown yamx: Oh!

14:03:20 <yamx> Zakim, +P9 is yamx

Scribe problem: the name 'yamx' does not match any of the 19 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Alessio Cartocci Alexander Graf Elias Torres John Kugelman Luca Mascaro Mark Birbeck Masataka Yakura Michael Rawling Richard Schwerdtfeger Roland Merrick Sebastian Schnitzenbaumer Shane McCarron Steven Pemberton Susan Borgrink Tina Holmboe Toshihiko Yamakami Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot

Scribe problem: the name 'yamx' does not match any of the 19 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Alessio Cartocci Alexander Graf Elias Torres John Kugelman Luca Mascaro Mark Birbeck Masataka Yakura Michael Rawling Richard Schwerdtfeger Roland Merrick Sebastian Schnitzenbaumer Shane McCarron Steven Pemberton Susan Borgrink Tina Holmboe Toshihiko Yamakami Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot

Unknown yamx: Zakim, +P9 is yamx

14:03:20 <Zakim> sorry, yamx, I do not recognize a party named '+P9'

Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, yamx, I do not recognize a party named '+P9'

14:03:27 <ShaneM>  rrsagent, make logs public

Shane McCarron: rrsagent, make logs public

14:04:02 <yamx> Last week, Roland failed to initiate Zakim.

Scribe problem: the name 'yamx' does not match any of the 19 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Alessio Cartocci Alexander Graf Elias Torres John Kugelman Luca Mascaro Mark Birbeck Masataka Yakura Michael Rawling Richard Schwerdtfeger Roland Merrick Sebastian Schnitzenbaumer Shane McCarron Steven Pemberton Susan Borgrink Tina Holmboe Toshihiko Yamakami Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot

Scribe problem: the name 'yamx' does not match any of the 19 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Alessio Cartocci Alexander Graf Elias Torres John Kugelman Luca Mascaro Mark Birbeck Masataka Yakura Michael Rawling Richard Schwerdtfeger Roland Merrick Sebastian Schnitzenbaumer Shane McCarron Steven Pemberton Susan Borgrink Tina Holmboe Toshihiko Yamakami Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot

Unknown yamx: Last week, Roland failed to initiate Zakim.

14:04:57 <yamx> Zakim, ??P9 is yamx

Scribe problem: the name 'yamx' does not match any of the 19 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Alessio Cartocci Alexander Graf Elias Torres John Kugelman Luca Mascaro Mark Birbeck Masataka Yakura Michael Rawling Richard Schwerdtfeger Roland Merrick Sebastian Schnitzenbaumer Shane McCarron Steven Pemberton Susan Borgrink Tina Holmboe Toshihiko Yamakami Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot

Scribe problem: the name 'yamx' does not match any of the 19 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Alessio Cartocci Alexander Graf Elias Torres John Kugelman Luca Mascaro Mark Birbeck Masataka Yakura Michael Rawling Richard Schwerdtfeger Roland Merrick Sebastian Schnitzenbaumer Shane McCarron Steven Pemberton Susan Borgrink Tina Holmboe Toshihiko Yamakami Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot

Unknown yamx: Zakim, ??P9 is yamx

14:04:57 <Zakim> +yamx; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +yamx; got it

14:05:15 <alessio> Zakim, ??P8 is Alessio

Alessio Cartocci: Zakim, ??P8 is Alessio

14:05:15 <Zakim> +Alessio; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +Alessio; got it

14:05:51 <Roland_> Zakim, +0138687aaaa is Roland

Roland Merrick: Zakim, +0138687aaaa is Roland

14:05:51 <Zakim> +Roland; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +Roland; got it

14:06:01 <ShaneM>  rrsagent, make logs world-visible

Shane McCarron: rrsagent, make logs world-visible

14:07:48 <ShaneM>  Topic: M12N and XML Schema

Shane McCarron: Topic: M12N and XML Schema

14:08:34 <ShaneM>  Held over...

Shane McCarron: Held over...

14:08:42 <ShaneM>  Topic: xml:base and M12N

Shane McCarron: Topic: xml:base and M12N

14:10:01 <ShaneM>  This was discussed briefly in the last call.  There is a "base" element already.

Shane McCarron: This was discussed briefly in the last call. There is a "base" element already.

14:11:43 <ShaneM>  Shane is afraid that adding xml:base will mean we need to issue a new XHTML 1.x.

Shane McCarron: Shane is afraid that adding xml:base will mean we need to issue a new XHTML 1.x.

14:12:23 <ShaneM>  Roland says we have two options: go through a rec process for M12N etc. or just do it in XHTML 2.

Shane McCarron: Roland says we have two options: go through a rec process for M12N etc. or just do it in XHTML 2.

14:12:28 <ShaneM>  Carried forward.

Shane McCarron: Carried forward.

14:12:35 <ShaneM>  Topic: XML Schema implementation for XHTML 2.0

Shane McCarron: Topic: XML Schema implementation for XHTML 2.0

14:15:33 <ShaneM>  Shane suggests that we need to take the existing schema implementation for xhtml m12n 1 and tweak it.

Shane McCarron: Shane suggests that we need to take the existing schema implementation for xhtml m12n 1 and tweak it.

14:15:50 <ShaneM>  ACTION: Shane to start implementing xml schema for xhtml 2.0

Shane McCarron: ACTION: Shane to start implementing xml schema for xhtml 2.0

14:16:14 <ShaneM>  ACTION: Roland to respond to UWA WG and say yes, we are producing a schema.  We do not yet have a schedule.

Shane McCarron: ACTION: Roland to respond to UWA WG and say yes, we are producing a schema. We do not yet have a schedule.

14:16:47 <ShaneM>  Topic: Do not deprecate the profile attribute

Shane McCarron: Topic: Do not deprecate the profile attribute

14:18:08 <Roland_> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2007Jul/0037.html

Roland Merrick: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2007Jul/0037.html

14:20:36 <Roland_> a reply was sent: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2007Jul/0039.html

Roland Merrick: a reply was sent: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2007Jul/0039.html

14:21:20 <ShaneM>  Shane thinks that reply is accurate.

Shane McCarron: Shane thinks that reply is accurate.

14:21:52 <ShaneM>  The question is: do we really want to get rid of profile?  GRDDL really wants to use it.  Was the original deprecation of it in XHTML 1 a good idea?

Shane McCarron: The question is: do we really want to get rid of profile? GRDDL really wants to use it. Was the original deprecation of it in XHTML 1 a good idea?

14:23:05 <ShaneM>  The profile attribute seeme to be used by the microformat community too

Shane McCarron: The profile attribute seeme to be used by the microformat community too

14:23:59 <ShaneM>  Example: http://microformats.org/wiki/xmdp-brainstorming

Shane McCarron: Example: http://microformats.org/wiki/xmdp-brainstorming

14:25:29 <ShaneM>  Shane thinks we should expand the collection of "rel" values to permit microformat relationship.  We should ask people who care?

Shane McCarron: Shane thinks we should expand the collection of "rel" values to permit microformat relationship. We should ask people who care?

14:26:54 <ShaneM>  Carry this forward as a future agenda item "Use cases for a profile attribute" or some such.

Shane McCarron: Carry this forward as a future agenda item "Use cases for a profile attribute" or some such.

14:27:38 <ShaneM>  Topic: Caption positioning & binding example using WAI-ARIA markup

Shane McCarron: Topic: Caption positioning & binding example using WAI-ARIA markup

14:27:41 <ShaneM>  Skipped for this week.

Shane McCarron: Skipped for this week.

14:30:05 <ShaneM>  Topic: XHTML M12N

Shane McCarron: Topic: XHTML M12N

14:30:06 <Roland_> http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/Group/2007/xhtml-modularization-11-implementation

Roland Merrick: http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/Group/2007/xhtml-modularization-11-implementation

14:30:19 <Roland_> Prose vs implementation

Roland Merrick: Prose vs implementation

14:31:34 <ShaneM>  Latest draft of M12N is at: http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/2007/ED-xhtml-modularization-20070404/

Shane McCarron: Latest draft of M12N is at: http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/2007/ED-xhtml-modularization-20070404/

14:34:54 <ShaneM>  Who is the audience for this?  What is hanging fire?

Shane McCarron: Who is the audience for this? What is hanging fire?

14:35:14 <Roland_> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/w3c-html-wg/2007JanMar/0047

Roland Merrick: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/w3c-html-wg/2007JanMar/0047

14:35:24 <ShaneM>  Shane says XHTML 1.1 needs updating and needs to use XML Schema, and XHTML Print could use a schema implementation too.

Shane McCarron: Shane says XHTML 1.1 needs updating and needs to use XML Schema, and XHTML Print could use a schema implementation too.

14:36:37 <ShaneM>  Other topic is "what takes precedence, prose or implementation?"

Shane McCarron: Other topic is "what takes precedence, prose or implementation?"

14:37:57 <ShaneM>  Shane things prose / abstract module definitions take precedence.

Shane McCarron: Shane things prose / abstract module definitions take precedence.

14:42:06 <ShaneM>  s/things/thinks/

Shane McCarron: s/things/thinks/

14:43:51 <ShaneM>  RDFa task force is public-rdf-in-xhtml-tf@w3.org

Shane McCarron: RDFa task force is public-rdf-in-xhtml-tf@w3.org

14:47:18 <Zakim> -Alessio

Zakim IRC Bot: -Alessio

14:48:07 <alessio> sorry, trying to reconnect

Alessio Cartocci: sorry, trying to reconnect

14:50:28 <Zakim> +??P0

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P0

14:50:43 <alessio> Zakim, ??P0 is Alessio

Alessio Cartocci: Zakim, ??P0 is Alessio

14:50:43 <Zakim> +Alessio; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +Alessio; got it

14:53:53 <ShaneM>  Went over a bunch of things about our outstanding work.  No resolutions.

Shane McCarron: Went over a bunch of things about our outstanding work. No resolutions.

14:54:10 <ShaneM>  rrsagent, make minutes

Shane McCarron: rrsagent, make minutes

14:54:19 <ShaneM>  RRSAgent, make minutes

Shane McCarron: RRSAgent, make minutes

14:55:02 <Zakim> -ShaneM

Zakim IRC Bot: -ShaneM

14:55:08 <Zakim> -Alessio

Zakim IRC Bot: -Alessio

14:55:10 <Zakim> -yamx

Scribe problem: the name 'yamx' does not match any of the 19 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Alessio Cartocci Alexander Graf Elias Torres John Kugelman Luca Mascaro Mark Birbeck Masataka Yakura Michael Rawling Richard Schwerdtfeger Roland Merrick Sebastian Schnitzenbaumer Shane McCarron Steven Pemberton Susan Borgrink Tina Holmboe Toshihiko Yamakami Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot

Zakim IRC Bot: -yamx

14:55:11 <Zakim> -Roland

Zakim IRC Bot: -Roland

14:55:12 <Zakim> IA_XHTML2()10:00AM has ended

Zakim IRC Bot: IA_XHTML2()10:00AM has ended

14:55:13 <Zakim> Attendees were ShaneM, yamx, Alessio, Roland

Zakim IRC Bot: Attendees were ShaneM, yamx, Alessio, Roland

14:56:24 <ShaneM>  RRSAgent, please make the minutes

Shane McCarron: RRSAgent, please make the minutes

14:59:56 <anne> RRSAgent, make logs public

Scribe problem: the name 'anne' does not match any of the 19 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Alessio Cartocci Alexander Graf Elias Torres John Kugelman Luca Mascaro Mark Birbeck Masataka Yakura Michael Rawling Richard Schwerdtfeger Roland Merrick Sebastian Schnitzenbaumer Shane McCarron Steven Pemberton Susan Borgrink Tina Holmboe Toshihiko Yamakami Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot

Scribe problem: the name 'anne' does not match any of the 19 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Alessio Cartocci Alexander Graf Elias Torres John Kugelman Luca Mascaro Mark Birbeck Masataka Yakura Michael Rawling Richard Schwerdtfeger Roland Merrick Sebastian Schnitzenbaumer Shane McCarron Steven Pemberton Susan Borgrink Tina Holmboe Toshihiko Yamakami Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot

Unknown anne: RRSAgent, make logs public

15:00:01 <anne> RRSAgent, draft minutes

Scribe problem: the name 'anne' does not match any of the 19 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Alessio Cartocci Alexander Graf Elias Torres John Kugelman Luca Mascaro Mark Birbeck Masataka Yakura Michael Rawling Richard Schwerdtfeger Roland Merrick Sebastian Schnitzenbaumer Shane McCarron Steven Pemberton Susan Borgrink Tina Holmboe Toshihiko Yamakami Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot

Scribe problem: the name 'anne' does not match any of the 19 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Alessio Cartocci Alexander Graf Elias Torres John Kugelman Luca Mascaro Mark Birbeck Masataka Yakura Michael Rawling Richard Schwerdtfeger Roland Merrick Sebastian Schnitzenbaumer Shane McCarron Steven Pemberton Susan Borgrink Tina Holmboe Toshihiko Yamakami Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot

Unknown anne: RRSAgent, draft minutes

15:00:01 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/08/08-xhtml-minutes.html anne

RRSAgent IRC Bot: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/08/08-xhtml-minutes.html anne

15:01:33 <ShaneM>  rrsagent must not like me

Shane McCarron: rrsagent must not like me



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