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Zakim IRC Bot: ok, Steven; I see IA_XHTML2()10:00AM scheduled to start in 28 minutes ←

Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see Steven, Roland_, markbirbeck, Tina, RRSAgent, Zakim, krijnh, Lachy ←

Steven Pemberton: XHTML Basic 1.1 Is a Candidate Recommendation!!! [ Scribe Assist by Unknown oedipus ] ←

Steven Pemberton: asked when exit CR? - end of august begining of october [ Scribe Assist by Unknown oedipus ] ←

Steven Pemberton: not on monday and tuesday, but other end of the weeek; tech plenary tries to get as many WGs together in one place at one time; get to work out issues, get to make new liaisons, etc. [ Scribe Assist by Unknown oedipus ] ←

Steven Pemberton: wednesday a plenary day - mini-conference [ Scribe Assist by Unknown oedipus ] ←

Steven Pemberton: thursday and friday rest of groups meet; going to be an AC (advisory committee) meeting as well -- new, so made half day AC meeting on thursday, so groups can meet thursday afternoon, friday (all day) and saturday morning [ Scribe Assist by Unknown oedipus ] ←

Steven Pemberton: still have to decide if want to use saturday morning - depends on agenda - by then, anticipate quite a big agenda [ Scribe Assist by Unknown oedipus ] ←

Steven Pemberton: we are meeting at same time as HTML working group; don't know if can meet up with them, but we shall see [ Scribe Assist by Unknown oedipus ] ←

Steven Pemberton: propose we skip a week due to lack of chair or chair pro tem [ Scribe Assist by Unknown oedipus ] ←

Steven Pemberton: skip a week -- in 2 weeks roland will chair (roland available until end of august) [ Scribe Assist by Unknown oedipus ] ←

Steven Pemberton: now have exact times, locations, etc. [ Scribe Assist by Unknown oedipus ] ←

Steven Pemberton: has anyone looked at comments and reply? if have comments, please bring them to the fore ASAP [ Scribe Assist by Unknown oedipus ] ←

Steven Pemberton: general schema principles -- marked 2 places with @@ were wasn't sure were finished [ Scribe Assist by Unknown oedipus ] ←

Unknown oedipus: AGENDA ITEM 2: analysis for hypertext CG comparision between basic 1.0 to 1.1; added print and XHTML Basic 1.1; XHTML 1.1 is the superset of all, except for inputmode which is now part of basic 1.1 should we add it to next release of XHTML 1.1 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2007Jul/0016 ←

Steven Pemberton: due to come out when modularization comes out of CR; window of opportunity; parent language of sub-set languages [ Scribe Assist by Unknown oedipus ] ←

Steven Pemberton: objections? entirely optional -- only a hint to the processor, but for mobile versions of XHTML good feature to have -- already in XHTML2 due to XForms [ Scribe Assist by Unknown oedipus ] ←

Steven Pemberton: shane not here (sent regrets) -- can discuss but not decide until shane here [ Scribe Assist by Unknown oedipus ] ←

Steven Pemberton: XHMTL2 WG has task force (meets once a week on thursday evenings) working on RDFa -- allows one to define more semantics for elements; similar to microformats, but much more disciplined; generates RDF triples; modularization doesn't define base -- need to discuss [ Scribe Assist by Unknown oedipus ] ←

Steven Pemberton: shane's Q: should we accomodate base or incorporate into 1.1? [ Scribe Assist by Unknown oedipus ] ←

Steven Pemberton: other question: what should we do relative to base elements, if they disagree with one another [ Scribe Assist by Unknown oedipus ] ←

Steven Pemberton: history: going to need facility like base in HTML, so XML Base produced; made last call for XLink; should be defining meaning of XML Base [ Scribe Assist by Unknown oedipus ] ←

Steven Pemberton: ought to do it for future versions of language, not past versions; right now no one doing it; should we add to XHTML 1.1 or state that future versions of XHTML will build on it [ Scribe Assist by Unknown oedipus ] ←

Steven Pemberton: allowable on any element; specifies the effect - how to interpret relative URIs for all children of element [ Scribe Assist by Unknown oedipus ] ←

Unknown oedipus: ??: could we not use that to override what is in base; equivalent of base ←

Steven Pemberton: good approach -- on HTML (applies to head and body elements) [ Scribe Assist by Unknown oedipus ] ←

Steven Pemberton: rules specified except for what they do if on HTML element and a BASE in head which is different [ Scribe Assist by Unknown oedipus ] ←

Steven Pemberton: what do we think should happen [ Scribe Assist by Unknown oedipus ] ←

Steven Pemberton: Base for legacy / backwards compatibility, but otherwise overridden by XML Base [ Scribe Assist by Unknown oedipus ] ←

Unknown oedipus: ???: could be interpreted afterwards, XML Base a refinement; if no XML Base, use what is in HTML instance's head ←

Steven Pemberton: another approach with legacy - when tranistioning from name att to id att on A - if have name, must have id and must have same value; could require if use BASE elements, that you use XML Base in the head set to the same value [ Scribe Assist by Unknown oedipus ] ←

Steven Pemberton: if we say the MUST be the same, result is fine [ Scribe Assist by Unknown oedipus ] ←

Steven Pemberton: don't say what happens with name and id, just there for backwards compatibility; if say one has priority over the other, wouldn't work in legacy browsers; so, just don't do it [ Scribe Assist by Unknown oedipus ] ←

Steven Pemberton: should we only put stuff in future versions, or revise past versions -- adding to another version of XHTML 1.1 [ Scribe Assist by Unknown oedipus ] ←

Steven Pemberton: if say have to define base and xml base so that cooperate, don't see why shouldn't put into a 1.1 version [ Scribe Assist by Unknown oedipus ] ←

Steven Pemberton: no resolution -- needs more discussion on list, especially from shane, who proposed it [ Scribe Assist by Unknown oedipus ] ←

Steven Pemberton: RDF task force developing native RDFa -- working on getting more widely accepted [ Scribe Assist by Unknown oedipus ] ←

Steven Pemberton: in a sense, can ignore attributes and page still has meaning it still had; non-assistive browser can ignore [ Scribe Assist by Unknown oedipus ] ←

Steven Pemberton: HTML has rule to ignore attributes don't know about; if get added no problem really for HTML; RDFa able to define triples -- relationships and states -- about attribute proxy that tells relationship; sounds like RDFa is coming up with similar mechanism [ Scribe Assist by Unknown oedipus ] ←

Steven Pemberton: heads-up to RDFa task force that WAI has set of requirements that could be met by RDFa -- simple semantics; links in with role attribute [ Scribe Assist by Unknown oedipus ] ←

Unknown oedipus: ACTION GJR: explain what WAI ARIA attempting to achieve and crossover with RDFa let task force know via public-rdfa-in-xhtml-tf@w3.org ←

Steven Pemberton: people producing javascript libraries that implement a particular ML; if have nested XForms in XHTML doc add script to implement XForms in a standard browser; great way to get namespaces integrated into legacy browsers [ Scribe Assist by Unknown oedipus ] ←

Steven Pemberton: don't want UAs that understand namespaces to use script; propose attribute for script that tells UA that only reason this script is here is that it is implementing a specific function; legacy UA will call javascript to call namespace into browser; new UAs will ignor [ Scribe Assist by Unknown oedipus ] ←

Steven Pemberton: good way to get out of CR -- implement parts of XHTML2 in any browser with assistance of script [ Scribe Assist by Unknown oedipus ] ←

Steven Pemberton: future-proofing browsers [ Scribe Assist by Unknown oedipus ] ←

Roland Merrick: seemed reasonable when read it; part of package of things we have to query whether UA supports particular namespace [ Scribe Assist by Unknown oedipus ] ←

Roland Merrick: if get into this area, are there similar things to talk about [ Scribe Assist by Unknown oedipus ] ←

Steven Pemberton: have selectors for media types derived from CSS; turned off if current media not matched; turns off element if that namespace is implemented [ Scribe Assist by Unknown oedipus ] ←

Steven Pemberton: similar to media queries for stylesheets [ Scribe Assist by Unknown oedipus ] ←

Steven Pemberton: put it in queue -- see what response we get [ Scribe Assist by Unknown oedipus ] ←

Steven Pemberton: clarification: media queries for any media -- paragraph media=print so only used in printed [ Scribe Assist by Unknown oedipus ] ←

Steven Pemberton: getting XHTML 1.1 out of CR; only thing not tested is target and inputmode; how should we go about getting tests into oma test suite [ Scribe Assist by Unknown oedipus ] ←

Unknown oedipus: testing mobile 1.2 -- current testers will have inputmode tagged so can use in mobile 1.0 and 1.2 -- inputmode tagged can reuse? ←

Steven Pemberton: are optional -- ignored for other versions in test suite [ Scribe Assist by Unknown oedipus ] ←

Steven Pemberton: want volunteer to construct test materials for what is not currenlty being tested [ Scribe Assist by Unknown oedipus ] ←

Unknown oedipus: tests actually in test suite, just not invoked if not germane ←

Steven Pemberton: possible to get copy of tests? [ Scribe Assist by Unknown oedipus ] ←

Unknown oedipus: OMA provides URI for test site, test site includes materials for inputmode ←

Steven Pemberton: please resend URI to public-xhtml2 [ Scribe Assist by Unknown oedipus ] ←

Steven Pemberton: should we use namespace name or prefix? ended up writing prefix because if no default, needs to be there -- author friendlier; [ Scribe Assist by Unknown oedipus ] ←

Roland Merrick: cut-and-paste this script into it and it will work [ Scribe Assist by Unknown oedipus ] ←

Steven Pemberton: cut-and-paste bug-bear for those who fear namespaces [ Scribe Assist by Unknown oedipus ] ←

Steven Pemberton: away for 3 weeks, be back on call in 4 weeks time [ Scribe Assist by Unknown oedipus ] ←

Steven Pemberton: don't forget about Face2face [ Scribe Assist by Unknown oedipus ] ←

Zakim IRC Bot: Attendees were Roland_, Steven, +46.7.08.5.aaaa, Tina, Gregory_Rosmiata, yamx ←

ACTION: GJR to explain what WAI ARIA attempting to achieve and crossover with RDFa let task force know via public-rdfa-in-xhtml-tf@w3.org [2] ←

Weekly XHTML2 WG Teleconference

Minutes of 18 July 2007

1. Coming calls http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2007Jul/0004

2. agenda item 6: Testing XHTML Basic 1.1