Meeting Record

XHTML2 WG Weekly Teleconference

Minutes of 25 April 2007

Agenda

http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2007Apr/0030

Seen

Alessio Cartocci, Richard Schwerdtfeger, Shane McCarron, Steven Pemberton, Unknown Mark_Birbeck, Unknown markbirbeck, Unknown yamx

Scribe

Steven Pemberton

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Resolutions

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Topics

Announcements
class/rel/rev/role and Curies

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13:50:55 <Steven> zakim, this will be xhtml

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13:50:55 <Zakim> ok, Steven; I see IA_XHTML2()10:00AM scheduled to start in 10 minutes

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13:51:10 <Steven> Meeting: XHTML2 WG Weekly Teleconference

13:51:34 <Steven> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2007Apr/0030

13:51:47 <Steven> Steven has changed the topic to: Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2007Apr/0030

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13:52:42 <Steven> -> http://www.w3.org/2007/04/18-xhtml-minutes Previous

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13:54:24 <alessio> hi steven, shane, all...

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13:54:46 <Steven> Hi there Alessio

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14:00:38 <Steven> zakim, dial steven-617

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14:00:38 <Zakim> ok, Steven; the call is being made

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14:00:39 <Zakim> IA_XHTML2()10:00AM has now started

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14:00:39 <Zakim> +Steven

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14:01:13 <Zakim> +ShaneM

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14:01:15 <Zakim> -ShaneM

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14:01:16 <Zakim> +ShaneM

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14:01:32 <Zakim> +??P36

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14:02:17 <Zakim> +??P35

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14:02:30 <yamx> I just joined in tel (Yam)

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Unknown yamx: I just joined in tel (Yam) ←

14:02:40 <alessio> idem, now

Alessio Cartocci: idem, now ←

14:02:52 <alessio> i'm second

Alessio Cartocci: i'm second ←

14:02:59 <Steven> zakim, ??P35 is alessio

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14:02:59 <Zakim> +alessio; got it

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14:03:06 <Steven> zakim, ??p36 is yamx

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14:03:06 <Zakim> +yamx; got it

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14:03:13 <Steven> zakim, who is here?

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14:03:13 <Zakim> On the phone I see Steven, ShaneM, yamx, alessio

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14:03:16 <Zakim> On IRC I see yamx, alessio, RRSAgent, Zakim, ShaneM, gavin_, Steven, Lachy, krijnh

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14:03:22 <Steven> zakim, who is noisy?

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14:03:33 <Zakim> Steven, listening for 10 seconds I could not identify any sounds

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14:04:14 <Steven> Scribe: Steven

(Scribe set to Steven Pemberton)

14:04:23 <Steven> Topic: Announcements

1. Announcements

14:05:10 <Zakim> +??P6

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14:05:39 <Steven> zakim, ??p6 is Rich

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14:05:39 <Zakim> +Rich; got it

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14:05:59 <Steven> Steven: THere are currently: 11 participants from 8 organizations

Steven Pemberton: There are currently: 11 participants from 8 organizations ←

14:05:59 <Steven> 2 Invited Experts

2 Invited Experts ←

14:06:04 <Steven> s/TH/Th/

14:06:50 <Steven> ... I know of 2 more organisations and one more invited expert in the pipeline

... I know of 2 more organisations and one more invited expert in the pipeline ←

14:08:42 <Zakim> +Mark_Birbeck

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14:08:44 <Rich> what dates?

Richard Schwerdtfeger: what dates? ←

14:09:24 <yamx> OMA has a meeting in Bangkok during June 11-15. (Yam)

Unknown yamx: OMA has a meeting in Bangkok during June 11-15. (Yam) ←

14:09:28 <Steven> Steven: We have the option of meeting face-to-face 11-12 June

Steven Pemberton: We have the option of meeting face-to-face 11-12 June ←

14:09:39 <Steven> ... at IBM in Hawthorne NY

... at IBM in Hawthorne NY ←

14:09:43 <Rich> that does not interfere with my PF meetings in germany - a plus

Richard Schwerdtfeger: that does not interfere with my PF meetings in germany - a plus ←

14:10:37 <Steven> ACTION: Steven to ask WG by email if we should meet 11-12 June in NY

ACTION: Steven to ask WG by email if we should meet 11-12 June in NY ←

14:10:50 <ShaneM>  For the record, I can likely make that assuming nothing bad happens.  Ill parents etc.

Shane McCarron: For the record, I can likely make that assuming nothing bad happens. Ill parents etc. ←

14:10:51 <Steven> Steven: Otherwsie we will have an editors meeting instead

Steven Pemberton: Otherwise we will have an editors meeting instead ←

14:11:21 <Steven> s/sie/ise/

14:12:16 <Steven> Rich: DId the charter get updated?

Richard Schwerdtfeger: Did the charter get updated? ←

14:12:20 <Steven> Steven: As far as I know

Steven Pemberton: As far as I know ←

14:12:28 <Steven> s/DI/Di/

14:13:02 <ShaneM>  I nominate Steven as chair for this meeting.

Shane McCarron: I nominate Steven as chair for this meeting. ←

14:13:19 <Steven> Rich: Do we have a chair yet?

Richard Schwerdtfeger: Do we have a chair yet? ←

14:13:23 <Steven> Steven: No, not yet

Steven Pemberton: No, not yet ←

14:14:10 <yamx> I support the nomination (yam)

Unknown yamx: I support the nomination (yam) ←

14:14:11 <ShaneM>  is the current topic "charter"

Shane McCarron: is the current topic "charter" ←

14:14:26 <Steven> Shane: For the record, the charter still talks about "The accesskey module"

Shane McCarron: For the record, the charter still talks about "The accesskey module" ←

14:15:11 <Steven> Topic: class/rel/rev/role and Curies

2. class/rel/rev/role and Curies

14:15:11 <Steven> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2007Apr/0023

http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2007Apr/0023 ←

14:16:17 <Steven> Mark: I can see a big difference, and no one else can

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Unknown Mark: I can see a big difference, and no one else can ←

14:16:49 <Steven> ... it's not so much role vs class, but should role be rdf:type

... it's not so much role vs class, but should role be rdf:type ←

14:17:08 <Steven> ... I'm not sure if everyone has tried it against all use cases

... I'm not sure if everyone has tried it against all use cases ←

14:17:40 <Steven> ... My next email at http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2007Apr/0028.html

... My next email at http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2007Apr/0028.html ←

14:17:48 <Steven> ... discusses it more fully

... discusses it more fully ←

14:18:12 <Steven> ... I know that Rich followed up saying that we want rdf:type

... I know that Rich followed up saying that we want rdf:type ←

14:18:39 <Steven> ... but when Raman first suggested role

... but when Raman first suggested role ←

14:18:49 <Steven> ... his oly example seemed to use role just as a hint

... his only example seemed to use role just as a hint ←

14:18:56 <Steven> s/oly/only/

14:19:27 <Steven> ... so to repeat, I'm not sure that all examples have been testedagainst the idea that it represents rdf:type

... so to repeat, I'm not sure that all examples have been tested against the idea that it represents rdf:type ←

14:19:36 <Steven> s/tested/tested /

14:19:56 <Steven> ... does @role give us a hook, where the rdfness is implied

... does @role give us a hook, where the rdfness is implied ←

14:20:13 <Steven> ... or does role give us a first-order rdf:type?

... or does role give us a first-order rdf:type? ←

14:20:14 <ShaneM>  is there another way to specify an rdf type in RDFa today?

Shane McCarron: is there another way to specify an rdf type in RDFa today? ←

14:20:36 <Steven> Mark: We could further refine this

Unknown Mark: We could further refine this ←

14:20:51 <Steven> ... just as we say this is what we mean by rel/rev etc

... just as we say this is what we mean by rel/rev etc ←

14:20:58 <Steven> ... we can say this with role

... we can say this with role ←

14:21:28 <Steven> ... at present we use class, but the suggestion is to use role instead

... at present we use class, but the suggestion is to use role instead ←

14:21:45 <Steven> ... and there is longthand <ling rel="rdf:type"...

... and there is longhand <link rel="rdf:type"... ←

14:21:50 <Steven> s/ling/link/

14:21:57 <Steven> s/thand/hand/

14:22:08 <Steven> ... the question is about the shorthand

... the question is about the shorthand ←

14:22:29 <Steven> Shane: I don't understand the subtleties

Shane McCarron: I don't understand the subtleties ←

14:22:50 <Steven> ... but I am very worried about using @class because of the legacy

... but I am very worried about using @class because of the legacy ←

14:23:11 <Steven> ... on the other hand I understand the TF wants to take advantage of existing infrastructure

... on the other hand I understand the TF wants to take advantage of existing infrastructure ←

14:23:46 <Steven> Mark: One discussion is whether we should use @class at all

Unknown Mark: One discussion is whether we should use @class at all ←

14:24:01 <Steven> ... I believe we should, though I accept that not everyone agrees

... I believe we should, though I accept that not everyone agrees ←

14:24:47 <Steven> ... I expected a Dan Brickly to jump in and say "Ah! rdf:type this or that...", and that didn't happen

... I expected a Dan Brickly to jump in and say "Ah! rdf:type this or that...", and that didn't happen ←

14:25:13 <Steven> .. the 2 use cases at present are 1) Rich's case, where rdf:type is handy

.. the 2 use cases at present are 1) Rich's case, where rdf:type is handy ←

14:25:55 <Steven> ...2) THe mozilla/firefox one, where the element aquires the properties associated with that role

... 2) The mozilla/firefox one, where the element aquires the properties associated with that role ←

14:25:59 <Steven> s/TH/Th/

14:26:18 <Steven> s/2/ 2/

14:26:28 <Steven> ... these are the accessibility extensions

... these are the accessibility extensions ←

14:27:09 <Steven> Rich: Role links to the rdf role taxonomy

Richard Schwerdtfeger: Role links to the rdf role taxonomy ←

14:27:13 <Zakim> -alessio

Zakim IRC Bot: -alessio ←

14:28:08 <Steven> ... SAP, Google, IBM are using this stuff

... SAP, Google, IBM are using this stuff ←

14:28:20 <Steven> .. and even IE is going to implement role!

.. and even IE is going to implement role! ←

14:28:37 <Zakim> +??P0

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14:28:43 <Steven> ... (this is not official, but they really have to, to give access to the accessibility APIs)

... (this is not official, but they really have to, to give access to the accessibility APIs) ←

14:28:55 <Steven> zakim, ??P0 is alessio

zakim, ??P0 is alessio ←

14:28:55 <Zakim> +alessio; got it

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14:29:00 <alessio_> yep :)

Alessio Cartocci: yep :) ←

14:29:07 <Steven> Mark: Will IE implement it in the same way?

Unknown Mark: Will IE implement it in the same way? ←

14:29:34 <Steven> Rich: It might

Richard Schwerdtfeger: It might ←

14:29:56 <Steven> Mark: I'm trying to work out if it reflects on the role/rdf:type issue

Unknown Mark: I'm trying to work out if it reflects on the role/rdf:type issue ←

14:30:33 <Steven> Shane: I think it should be rdf:type

Shane McCarron: I think it should be rdf:type ←

14:30:37 <Steven> Rich: I agree

Richard Schwerdtfeger: I agree ←

14:31:15 <markbirbeck> <div rdf:type="range"> ... </div>

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Unknown markbirbeck: <div rdf:type="range"> ... </div> ←

14:31:20 <Steven> [Scribe got the last two wrong]

[Scribe got the last two wrong] ←

14:31:29 <Steven> SHane: I think role = rdf:type is fine

Shane McCarron: I think role = rdf:type is fine ←

14:31:33 <Steven> s/SH/Sh/

14:31:56 <markbirbeck> Have we simply said that role == rdf:type? Have we just created a shorthand?

Unknown markbirbeck: Have we simply said that role == rdf:type? Have we just created a shorthand? ←

14:32:07 <Steven> Mark: THe problem is that if you make that decision once and for all, you can't undo it

Unknown Mark: The problem is that if you make that decision once and for all, you can't undo it ←

14:32:12 <Steven> s/TH/Th/

14:32:14 <markbirbeck> <div role="range"> ... </div>

Unknown markbirbeck: <div role="range"> ... </div> ←

14:32:21 <Steven> ... better to define it per document

... better to define it per document ←

14:33:00 <markbirbeck> Something has a 'xh:role' of range...

Unknown markbirbeck: Something has a 'xh:role' of range... ←

14:33:02 <Steven> ... and define a mapping if needed for a particular document

... and define a mapping if needed for a particular document ←

14:33:35 <Rich> http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/GUI/

Richard Schwerdtfeger: http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/GUI/ ←

14:35:31 <Steven> Steven: What about <p role="rss:description".>

Steven Pemberton: What about <p role="rss:description".> ←

14:35:39 <Steven> ... what is the rdf equivalent?

... what is the rdf equivalent? ←

14:35:57 <Steven> ... if we say it is per document, then I can't process that generically

... if we say it is per document, then I can't process that generically ←

14:36:16 <Steven> Shane: THat should be @property

Shane McCarron: That should be @property ←

14:36:21 <Steven> s/TH/Th/

14:36:38 <Steven> Mark: No, because you need a predicate of type rdf:type

Unknown Mark: No, because you need a predicate of type rdf:type ←

14:37:04 <Steven> ... because rss:description is not a predicate

... because rss:description is not a predicate ←

14:37:10 <Steven> ... it is the object of a statement

... it is the object of a statement ←

14:39:04 <ShaneM>  I thought this was more correct:

Shane McCarron: I thought this was more correct: ←

14:39:04 <ShaneM> <div id="xframes" about="#xframes" role="rss:item">

Shane McCarron: <div id="xframes" about="#xframes" role="rss:item"> ←

14:39:04 <ShaneM> <h2 property="rss:title">XFrames</h2>

Shane McCarron: <h2 property="rss:title">XFrames</h2> ←

14:39:04 <ShaneM> <p property="rss:description">An XML application for composing

Shane McCarron: <p property="rss:description">An XML application for composing ←

14:39:04 <ShaneM> documents together</p>

Shane McCarron: documents together</p> ←

14:39:12 <Steven> Mark: What I am wary of

Unknown Mark: What I am wary of ←

14:39:19 <Steven> ... if I have an item of type X

... if I have an item of type X ←

14:39:52 <Steven> ... will there be a situation where that item doesn't take on *all* the properties of an X

... will there be a situation where that item doesn't take on *all* the properties of an X ←

14:40:03 <Steven> ... in Raman's original example that was the case for instance

... in Raman's original example that was the case for instance ←

14:40:14 <Steven> ... so is rdf:type correct here?

... so is rdf:type correct here? ←

14:40:51 <Steven> ... I'm scared we might have to invent a new attribute in a couple of years

... I'm scared we might have to invent a new attribute in a couple of years ←

14:41:16 <Steven> Rich: Raman added role to a handler so he could tell what the handler was supposed to do

Richard Schwerdtfeger: Raman added role to a handler so he could tell what the handler was supposed to do ←

14:42:20 <Steven> Mark: So you are saying this functionality can be got in a different way

Unknown Mark: So you are saying this functionality can be got in a different way? ←

14:42:25 <Steven> s/way/way?/

14:42:38 <Steven> Shane: At the AOL FtF we talked about this

Shane McCarron: At the AOL FtF we talked about this ←

14:42:52 <Steven> ... and discussed the relationship between access/role and handlers

... and discussed the relationship between access/role and handlers ←

14:43:06 <Steven> ... for handling with navbars and so on

... for handling with navbars and so on ←

14:43:18 <Steven> ... Wasn't Raman there? Think so.

... Wasn't Raman there? Think so. ←

14:43:43 <Steven> ... Anyway, I think the concept of role has evolved since then

... Anyway, I think the concept of role has evolved since then ←

14:44:08 <Steven> Mark: Sure,we said let's use QNames to extend it, and let you use it with rdf

Unknown Mark: Sure, we said let's use QNames to extend it, and let you use it with rdf ←

14:44:14 <Steven> s/,/, /

14:44:36 <Steven> ... the problems are similar to those of @class

... the problems are similar to those of @class ←

14:44:41 <Steven> \... class is left very vague

\... class is left very vague ←

14:44:56 <Steven> ... should we leave role vague, or define it hard-and-fast

... should we leave role vague, or define it hard-and-fast ←

14:47:43 <Steven> Shane: Surely the fact that is rdf:type is only relevant in the presence of other context?

Shane McCarron: Surely the fact that is rdf:type is only relevant in the presence of other context? ←

14:49:14 <Steven> Rich: role has multi-values

Richard Schwerdtfeger: role has multi-values ←

14:49:21 <Steven> ... doesn't that solve it?

... doesn't that solve it? ←

14:56:25 <ShaneM> My brain hurts.

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Shane McCarron: My brain hurts. ←

14:56:48 <Steven> [Fast discussion about what rdf;type implies]

[Fast discussion about what rdf:type implies] ←

14:56:55 <Steven> s/;/:/

14:57:43 <Steven> Mark: I mean that role and type are different, related but not equivalent

Unknown Mark: I mean that role and type are different, related but not equivalent ←

14:58:08 <Steven> ... I have a date of birth, doesn't mean I am of type date of birth

... I have a date of birth, doesn't mean I am of type date of birth ←

14:59:12 <Steven> Steven: That's different

Steven Pemberton: That's different ←

14:59:40 <Steven> ... if I have an element of role Mark Birbeck, then I would expect it to contain an element of role DoB

... if I have an element of role Mark Birbeck, then I would expect it to contain an element of role DoB ←

14:59:59 <Steven> Mark: Don't confuse types with predicates

Unknown Mark: Don't confuse types with predicates ←

15:00:49 <Steven> Steven: Top of hour; I think we have to just try to code up some examples and see what breaks

Steven Pemberton: Top of hour; I think we have to just try to code up some examples and see what breaks ←

15:00:53 <Rich> <owl:Class rdf:ID="roletype">

Richard Schwerdtfeger: <owl:Class rdf:ID="roletype"> ←

15:00:54 <Rich>     <rdfs:comment>This is a draft resource for adding semantic

Richard Schwerdtfeger: <rdfs:comment>This is a draft resource for adding semantic ←

15:00:54 <Rich>       annotations and information to Web resources. Knowing what the types of

Richard Schwerdtfeger: annotations and information to Web resources. Knowing what the types of ←

15:00:54 <Rich>       content are in a Web page allows for better customized renderings. Including

Richard Schwerdtfeger: content are in a Web page allows for better customized renderings. Including ←

15:00:54 <Rich>       want to allow information hiding, or rendering common types of content in a

Richard Schwerdtfeger: want to allow information hiding, or rendering common types of content in a ←

15:00:54 <Rich>       consistent way - it makes the Web easer to use and more accessibility. You

Richard Schwerdtfeger: consistent way - it makes the Web easer to use and more accessibility. You ←

15:00:56 <Rich>       can also use this for device independence so that content is better formatted

Richard Schwerdtfeger: can also use this for device independence so that content is better formatted ←

15:00:58 <Rich>       to fit on the device. </rdfs:comment>

Richard Schwerdtfeger: to fit on the device. </rdfs:comment> ←

15:01:00 <Rich>     <rdfs:subClassOf>

Richard Schwerdtfeger: <rdfs:subClassOf> ←

15:01:01 <Steven> ... as a way of concluding something

... as a way of concluding something ←

15:01:02 <Rich>       <owl:Restriction>

Richard Schwerdtfeger: <owl:Restriction> ←

15:01:04 <Rich>         <owl:onProperty rdf:resource="&dc;description"/>

Richard Schwerdtfeger: <owl:onProperty rdf:resource="&dc;description"/> ←

15:01:06 <Rich>         <owl:cardinality rdf:datatype="&xsd;string">1</owl:cardinality>

Richard Schwerdtfeger: <owl:cardinality rdf:datatype="&xsd;string">1</owl:cardinality> ←

15:01:08 <Rich>       </owl:Restriction>

Richard Schwerdtfeger: </owl:Restriction> ←

15:01:10 <Rich>     </rdfs:subClassOf>

Richard Schwerdtfeger: </rdfs:subClassOf> ←

15:01:12 <Rich>     <rdfs:comment>You have to give each content type a title and

Richard Schwerdtfeger: <rdfs:comment>You have to give each content type a title and ←

15:01:14 <Rich>       description sorry folks (just be glad I did not put a min length on the

Richard Schwerdtfeger: description sorry folks (just be glad I did not put a min length on the ←

15:01:16 <Rich>       description</rdfs:comment>

Richard Schwerdtfeger: description</rdfs:comment> ←

15:01:18 <Rich>     <role:supportedState rdf:resource="&states;describedby"/>

Richard Schwerdtfeger: <role:supportedState rdf:resource="&states;describedby"/> ←

15:01:20 <Rich>   </owl:Class>

Richard Schwerdtfeger: </owl:Class> ←

15:02:05 <Zakim> -ShaneM

Zakim IRC Bot: -ShaneM ←

15:02:13 <Rich> http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/GUI/

Richard Schwerdtfeger: http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/GUI/ ←

15:02:19 <alessio_> I agree with Steven for concrete examples

Alessio Cartocci: I agree with Steven for concrete examples ←

15:02:44 <Steven> ADJOURN

ADJOURN ←

15:02:46 <Zakim> -Steven

Zakim IRC Bot: -Steven ←

15:02:48 <Zakim> -Mark_Birbeck

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Zakim IRC Bot: -Mark_Birbeck ←

15:02:54 <Zakim> -yamx

Zakim IRC Bot: -yamx ←

15:02:56 <Steven> Action: Steven to create some role use cases

ACTION: Steven to create some role use cases ←

15:03:04 <Zakim> -alessio

Zakim IRC Bot: -alessio ←

15:03:23 <markbirbeck> As I said, the problem is not in the mark-up, but in the triples generated, so it's not really a case of finding sample mark-up.

Unknown markbirbeck: As I said, the problem is not in the mark-up, but in the triples generated, so it's not really a case of finding sample mark-up. ←

15:03:54 <Zakim> -Rich

Zakim IRC Bot: -Rich ←

15:03:58 <Zakim> IA_XHTML2()10:00AM has ended

Zakim IRC Bot: IA_XHTML2()10:00AM has ended ←

15:04:00 <Zakim> Attendees were Steven, ShaneM, alessio, yamx, Rich, Mark_Birbeck

Zakim IRC Bot: Attendees were Steven, ShaneM, alessio, yamx, Rich, Mark_Birbeck ←

15:04:10 <Steven> rrsagent, make minutes

rrsagent, make minutes ←

15:04:10 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/04/25-xhtml-minutes.html Steven

RRSAgent IRC Bot: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/04/25-xhtml-minutes.html Steven ←

15:05:09 <alessio_> bye all :)

Alessio Cartocci: bye all :) ←

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