Meeting Record

There are some format problems with the chatlog. Please correct them and reload this page. They are labeled on this page in a red box, like this message.

It may be helpful to

Scribe problem: the name 'Chris' does not match any of the 3 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot

Zakim IRC Bot: ok, Chris; I see HTML_XHTML()11:00AM scheduled to start in 16 minutes ←

Scribe problem: the name 'IanJ' does not match any of the 3 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot

Scribe problem: the name 'Chris' does not match any of the 0 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names:

Scribe problem: the name 'Steven' does not match any of the 3 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot

Scribe problem: the name 'timbl_' does not match any of the 3 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot

Scribe problem: the name 'karl' does not match any of the 3 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see Ian, TimBL, Steven, Chris, SteveB, Karl (muted) ←

Scribe problem: the name 'steve' does not match any of the 3 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot

Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see timbl_, IanJ, RRSAgent, Zakim, Chris, Steven, karl ←

Scribe problem: the name 'DanC' does not match any of the 3 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see Ian, TimBL, Steven, Chris, SteveB, Karl, DanC ←

Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see DanC, steve, timbl_, IanJ, RRSAgent, Zakim, Chris, Steven, karl ←

Unknown DanC: and I'm not sure I can afford 2 hours. I screwed up my calendar today ←

RRSAgent IRC Bot: I'm logging. I don't understand 'karl is scribe', karl. Try /msg RRSAgent help ←

Scribe problem: the name 'Subject' does not match any of the 3 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot

Unknown Subject: (resend with corrections) Reminder: XHTML Rechartering call [ Scribe Assist by Unknown DanC ] ←

Unknown Chris: I sent an email with all the information useful for this call. ←

Scribe problem: the name 'mimasa' does not match any of the 3 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot

Unknown timbl_: XHTML, XForms departed too much from the members expectations ←

Unknown timbl_: We had quite a feedback from outside. The fact that WHATWG had got the browsers. ←

Unknown Steven: well not exactly. WhatWG is a kind of one person only. He was working in the community Mozilla and Opera, but had not particularly support from browser vendors ←

Unknown Chris: The webkit stuff in Safari indicates that Apple is moving towward an XML lioke approach [ Scribe Assist by Unknown timbl_ ] ←

Unknown Chris: It was based on the previous KHTML stuff, but now it is an XML component, with an XML DOm. [ Scribe Assist by Unknown timbl_ ] ←

Scribe problem: the name 'Steve' does not match any of the 3 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot

Unknown Steve: Talking to Hakon, we talked about him doing Xpath and XSLT. Operai sgoing the XML path much more. [ Scribe Assist by Unknown timbl_ ] ←

Unknown DanC: this is very much to the heart of what I wanted to talk about. The activity proposal says "... fulfilling the promise of XML for applying XHTML and XForms to a wide variety of platforms". So talking about to what extent Apple, Opera, ... supports that is they key here. http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/Group/2005/joint-activity.html ←

Unknown Steven: We have to be careful about people making loud noise in the community. But IBM, Vodafone, etc implement things ←

Unknown DanC: Please put what you just said into te activity proposal [ Scribe Assist by Unknown timbl_ ] ←

Scribe problem: the name 'Setven' does not match any of the 3 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot

Unknown IanJ: "Are members of these communities part of W3C now? Will they join the effort? ←

Unknown Steven: IBM, Novell, Vodefone, Time Warner have all made public statements about XForms and/or XHTML2 ←

Scribe problem: the name 'Tim' does not match any of the 3 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot

Unknown Steven: Microsoft have infopath which runs in MS Office. Jean Paoli has praised XForms, but that doesn't mean that they will implement it. [ Scribe Assist by Unknown timbl_ ] ←

Unknown Chris: since it has no rendering dependencies, it can be packaged asan extension ←

Unknown Steven: There are many W3C specs not implemnted by MS [ Scribe Assist by Unknown timbl_ ] ←

Unknown Chris: The inicated that IE7 will NOT support XHTML2 [ Scribe Assist by Unknown timbl_ ] ←

Unknown DanC: Any chance of direct endorsements? [ Scribe Assist by Unknown timbl_ ] ←

Unknown Chris: I have been trying to work on Apple? [ Scribe Assist by Unknown timbl_ ] ←

Scribe problem: the name 'Karl' does not match any of the 3 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot

Unknown Karl: It woul dbe good to have thhe browsers in the working group. That is fundamntal. [ Scribe Assist by Unknown timbl_ ] ←

Unknown timbl_: ... the rpobalem with people making alt of noise outside is that it has a lot of effect on the community. ←

Unknown timbl_: ... that in turn means that people will not push the borwser developers to do good w3c thin gs ←

Scribe problem: the name 'Sateven' does not match any of the 3 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot

Unknown Tim: That means it is a prorities problem. [ Scribe Assist by Unknown timbl_ ] ←

Unknown Steven: There is mozilla in the XForms WG. But there are some resources problems for example in Opera. ←

Scribe problem: the name 'Keio' does not match any of the 3 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot

Unknown Steven: Take vodaphone. They said irt was a resources group. And we are happy with how you are going. [ Scribe Assist by Unknown timbl_ ] ←

... Vodafone said we can't participate, contribute, because we don't have resources even if we are happy with what you do. ←

Unknown Tim: So people don't feel they need to put energy into this [ Scribe Assist by Unknown timbl_ ] ←

Zakim IRC Bot: DanC, you wanted to ask if Chris/Steven knows Ernie and to ask what MS does in the WG and to relay mixed signals from IPTC ←

Unknown Steven: Also IPTC felt the same, a large scale user potentially of XHTML2 [ Scribe Assist by Unknown timbl_ ] ←

Unknown Steven: XHTML has useful sem web and acc'y [ Scribe Assist by Unknown timbl_ ] ←

Unknown DanC: From IPTC, I am getting very mixed signals from them. they don't seem at all happy. [ Scribe Assist by Unknown timbl_ ] ←

Unknown Steven: They are bimodal - RDF/A and [missed] but I think they expect everythin to be XHTML2. [ Scribe Assist by Unknown timbl_ ] ←

Unknown Chris: nokia also using a webkit browser with xml stack on series 60 rel 3 phones ←

Unknown DanC: This person ernest Prbhakar is the most visible vocal person in Apple, do you know him? He seems to answer for the AC rep. [ Scribe Assist by Unknown timbl_ ] ←

Unknown DanC: "Dr. Ernest Prabhakar is the Marketing Manager for Apple's new high-end operating ←

Unknown timbl_: XForms is all about the user experience and that is what Apple is about. ←

Unknown timbl_: ... and so it should it just be a question of talking to them about it ←

Unknown Steven: But we still have no commitment for all that. [ Scribe Assist by Unknown timbl_ ] ←

Unknown DanC: (tim said 'apple... close to mozilla'... wonder if he misspoke... apple is close to kde) ←

Unknown timbl_: I don't think we have doen enough talking to the right people as we ahve to do at the start of an activity. ←

Zakim IRC Bot: karl, you wanted to ask people happy with what is happening, but do they want it? ←

Unknown Karl: if pwople like Vodaphone are enthusiastic but do not particape, there is a problem. [ Scribe Assist by Unknown timbl_ ] ←

Scribe problem: the name 'steven' does not match any of the 3 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot

Unknown steven: There are lots of ways of participating -- we get input from lots of people. one of the problems with this group is that everybody has an interest in a different piece. [ Scribe Assist by Unknown timbl_ ] ←

Unknown Chris: vodaphone participate in mobile web best practices, and in cdf - both regarding use of html and other w3c specs ←

Unknown Chris: Nokia have annouced they are using the same stack as Safari [ Scribe Assist by Unknown timbl_ ] ←

Unknown DanC: q+ to ask about an article with XHTML2 supporters, and about group sizes and splitting ←

Unknown Steven: I am trying to get Nokia involved. [ Scribe Assist by Unknown timbl_ ] ←

Unknown Chris: Vodaphone are involved in the Mobile best practices group, and also CDF which uses XHTML. [ Scribe Assist by Unknown timbl_ ] ←

Unknown timbl_: ... At the last CDF meeting there were 4 people from Vodaphone, and also Nokia and Opera. ←

Unknown Tim: Anyone know about Obigo and HTML WG? [ Scribe Assist by Unknown timbl_ ] ←

Scribe problem: the name 'members' does not match any of the 3 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot

Zakim IRC Bot: Chris, you wanted to mention Nokia moving to a real xml browser ←

Unknown DanC: All this should be in the Activity proposal. [ Scribe Assist by Unknown timbl_ ] ←

Unknown Chris: market analysis, xhtml, publicannouncements, xml block diagrams ←

Unknown DanC: (well, court of opinion is divided. there are plenty of complains against WHATWG too) ←

Unknown steve: Unfortunately, we haven't make Activity Proposal public all the time in the past ... perhaps we should? ←

Unknown timbl_: shows the world and the community that we do cool things, that it's valuable, etc. ←

Unknown DanC: (communication disconnect? activity proposal or activity statement?) ←

Scribe problem: the name 'timbl' does not match any of the 3 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot

Unknown timbl: if you want me to call someone here or there and spend resources trying to convince people to join the boat. Tell me, I will do. ←

Unknown timbl: latest word is that Jean Paoli really doesn't like us, for all he says [ Scribe Assist by Unknown DanC ] ←

Zakim IRC Bot: DanC, you wanted to ask about an article with XHTML2 supporters, and about group sizes and splitting and to ask about xhtml2 requirements ←

Unknown IanJ: split group into those who want to do xml thigns and those who want to build on html 4 ←

Unknown Steven: [tradeoff of wg or task force size] [ Scribe Assist by Unknown timbl_ ] ←

Unknown timbl_: We need to talk more to Apple and preferable Microsoft is we can, and the other browser companies. We have to spend more energy on that . Steve and I can help. ←

Unknown Steven: CDF is like an extnsion of et work 9in modularization etc) which HTML WG has already done. [ Scribe Assist by Unknown timbl_ ] ←

Zakim IRC Bot: karl, you wanted to be careful about XHTML 2.0 supporters article. ←

Unknown Chris: CDF is like an extnsion of et work 9in modularization etc) which SVG WG has already done. [ Scribe Assist by Unknown timbl_ ] ←

Unknown Chris: cdf and xhtml could work better together; problems with xforms and svg wg communication ←

Unknown Karl: It really depends on the communityt you are talking to.. In Japan the mobil experience is much more visible. [ Scribe Assist by Unknown timbl_ ] ←

Unknown timbl_: .. People like microformats because they work with old formats they already use. ←

Unknown karl: microformats work in existing implementations [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Chris ] ←

Unknown DanC: Namespaecs and media types... tempted to get int the details. On requirements,.. [ Scribe Assist by Unknown timbl_ ] ←

Unknown timbl_: ... when we talk to companies we get support buyt also really importantly we get the use cases. We don't seem to have those use cases. These reasons for why we need XHTML2 are not documented really. ←

Unknown timbl_: ...Ideally requirements are done ahead of or along with design. ←

Unknown Steven: namespace and xml media types was a huge discussion, new IETF mailing list. [ Scribe Assist by Unknown timbl_ ] ←

Unknown DanC: Yes, but the resutl is now written up, and may not be stable. [ Scribe Assist by Unknown timbl_ ] ←

Unknown Steven: We didn't have an opinion about what namespace to use at all [ Scribe Assist by Unknown timbl_ ] ←

Unknown DanC: TAG sidcussed text./html and said don't do that [ Scribe Assist by Unknown timbl_ ] ←

Unknown DanC: q+ to say that I don't see how the general XML media type argument applies to text/html ←

Zakim IRC Bot: DanC, you wanted to say that I don't see how the general XML media type argument applies to text/html ←

Unknown DanC: It isn't clear hoe the XML media type argument applies to text/html which predates it. [ Scribe Assist by Unknown timbl_ ] ←

Unknown DanC: Why doe the RFC on xml media types bind on HTML which predates it? [ Scribe Assist by Unknown timbl_ ] ←

Unknown Steven: We got push-back on serving XHTML as HTML [ Scribe Assist by Unknown timbl_ ] ←

Scribe problem: the name 'danC' does not match any of the 3 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot

Unknown danC: I know there was a long argument .. but htere wasn't a conclusion? [ Scribe Assist by Unknown timbl_ ] ←

Unknown Steven: We came the conclusion [...lost] [ Scribe Assist by Unknown timbl_ ] ←

Unknown timbl_: ... Because yuo can't say you can accpt anything which is XML. ←

Scribe problem: the name 'accept' does not match any of the 3 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot

Unknown DanC: (The HTML media type shouldn't be decided by the HTML WG? I don't agree.) ←

Unknown timbl_: Chris and Steven: sfdahjgewljhwefhjnbasd,mcnbalerucvfnmbsre.fhwejkwebf ←

Unknown Steven: The XML community decided [ Scribe Assist by Unknown timbl_ ] ←

Unknown DanC: (in what way did "the xml community" decide anything? where's the document?) ←

Scribe problem: the name 'Danc' does not match any of the 3 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot

Unknown Danc: How do you mena the XML community came to a consensus/ [ Scribe Assist by Unknown timbl_ ] ←

Unknown Chris: It was a joint w3c and ietf mailing list, whic the tag was aware of at the time ←

Unknown Steven: They created a mailing list, discussed it and produced an RFC which was published and accepted and we accepted that. [ Scribe Assist by Unknown timbl_ ] ←

Unknown DanC: But that doesn't say anything about text/html. [ Scribe Assist by Unknown timbl_ ] ←

Unknown Chris: The TAG was aware of this [ Scribe Assist by Unknown timbl_ ] ←

Unknown DanC: There is an rfc on XML media types, and another on HTML, but he former does not require the latter do somethng specific [ Scribe Assist by Unknown timbl_ ] ←

Unknown Steven: We were told s=trongly we couldn't use text/html for XHTML [ Scribe Assist by Unknown timbl_ ] ←

Unknown DanC: I will show you an RFC which tells you that text/html points to XHTML as well as HTML. [ Scribe Assist by Unknown timbl_ ] ←

Unknown Steven: We just did as we were to do two things. [ Scribe Assist by Unknown timbl_ ] ←

Unknown Steven: We just did as we were told. [ Scribe Assist by Unknown timbl_ ] ←

Unknown Steven: The RFC says that there is a profile which allows you to send XHTML as text/html [ Scribe Assist by Unknown timbl_ ] ←

Unknown Tim: Thats the XHTML spec not a RFC. [ Scribe Assist by Unknown timbl_ ] ←

Unknown DanC: Someone told me recently that godo XHTML, deleivered as text/html, works very well with most browsers. [ Scribe Assist by Unknown timbl_ ] ←

Unknown Chris: And quirks mode workls as all kinds of things. [ Scribe Assist by Unknown timbl_ ] ←

Unknown Chris: I made an example served as application/foobar+xml which ahs all kinds of namespaces, and Opera just rendered HTML and SVG fine. [ Scribe Assist by Unknown timbl_ ] ←

Unknown DanC: (if there were a requirements document that connected this design decision, that apple/mozilla and some webmasters would endorse, that would be cool.) ←

Unknown DanC: (connected the media type design decision with use cases, that is) ←

Unknown Chris: i served stuf as application/foobar+xml and called etc.foobar. it was mixed xhtml and svg and had no doctype, just namespace declaratiobs. worked nicely in opera9, known bug in firefox ←

Unknown Tim: What about back-compatability with XHTML1? [ Scribe Assist by Unknown timbl_ ] ←

Unknown DanC: (sorry I screwed up my schedule. I would have liked to talk about public proceedings for the HTML WG. I'll stay tuned for next steps.) ←

Unknown Steven: Most XHTML1 just works as XHTML2 [ Scribe Assist by Unknown timbl_ ] ←

Unknown karl: XHTML 1.1 may bne implemented in Mozilla, but is not used on web sites. [ Scribe Assist by Unknown timbl_ ] ←

Unknown timbl_: .. Web site publishers are not using it because of MS IE incompatihlity ←

Unknown Steven: When we first created it because we thought there ought to be a clean version, i though it would never be used, but in fact has taken up more than I anticipated. [ Scribe Assist by Unknown timbl_ ] ←

Unknown Chris: ie does not do css1 correctly. or xhtml. or svg. or indeed much of anything ←

Unknown karl: But in fact IE will often ask where to save the document. [ Scribe Assist by Unknown timbl_ ] ←

Unknown Steven: I saw it work with IE th eother day, servers as xhtml+xml [ Scribe Assist by Unknown timbl_ ] ←

Unknown Karl: In the daily world of business it is not a risk you can take, [ Scribe Assist by Unknown timbl_ ] ←

Unknown Chris: ie has not really upgraded since ie4. do we just pack up and go home, or only do server-side technologies? ←

Unknown Steven: if we get groups like people WASP saying we want this stuff, it will improve things. ←

Unknown Tim: As an example about hr and separator, h1->h6 to h/section, shows that people have troubles with this kind of discussion ←

Unknown Chris: xhtml2 h works great with php and composing from multiple sources ←

Unknown Steven: h1 to h6 at the same time than h/section, the later was requested by the WAI community ←

Unknown timbl_: there are a lot of issues with cut and paste, and context in terms of authoring ←

Unknown Chris: hr has 2 problems - its not necessarilt horizintal and not necessarily a rule ←

Unknown Chris: A question that we often had to address was "is <hr> presentational?" ←

Unknown Chris: These are all <hr>s! <hr> is not presentational, but structural: a lightweight section separator. ←

Unknown Chris: The only thing wrong with <hr> is that it is not (necessarily) horizontal, and not (necessarily) a rule! ←

Unknown Chris: We already needed a decarator element for navigation lists, so we just decided to do away with all the confusion and rename <hr> to <decarator> ←

q+ to say that there is a problem with the way we write the specifications and/or communicate about it. ←

Unknown Steven: Old HTML: Meta element was designed to not show the content. We don't have to do that anymore. ←

Scribe problem: the name 'Steevn' does not match any of the 3 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot

Unknown Steevn: In XHTML, we use display none (in CSS) to turn off new non-doisplayable things like <meta..> [ Scribe Assist by Unknown timbl_ ] ←

Zakim IRC Bot: karl, you wanted to say that XHTML 1.1 does not exist. :)))) and to say that there is a problem with the way we write the specifications and/or communicate about it. ←

Unknown IanJ: q+ to talk about FAQ that we should present in Activity Proposal. The questions that are floating around here. ←

Unknown karl: IanJ and others have made HTML 4.01 very usable, and now we have to make XHTML 2.0 more than a technical specifications, but a tutorial, a best practices guide, etc. ←

Unknown Chris: alt as attribute had bad I18n, as element content its much better ←

Scribe problem: the name 'TBL' does not match any of the 3 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot

Unknown TBL: Put in the charter what the WG expects to do w.r.t. mime types [ Scribe Assist by Unknown IanJ ] ←

Unknown Steven: We try to use mime type for things which were not designed to at the origin. So it's quite hard ←

ACTION: Steven put "golden nuggets" of deployment into activity proposal (nokia, obigo, access etc xml stacks) ←

Unknown timbl_: HTML went though a lot of phases before people realize they were hitting the wall ←

Unknown timbl: very different compatibility, new media type vs same media type [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Chris ] ←

Unknown Chris: please, not one more half ay house that falls between two stools! ←

Unknown IanJ: * XHTML 2.0: Is there any support among the Membership? Developers? ←

Zakim IRC Bot: IanJ, you wanted to talk about FAQ that we should present in Activity Proposal. The questions that are floating around here. ←

Unknown Chris: activity proposal has to have an analysis of risks as well as benefits ←

q+ to what do we do with people who want to fix HTML 4.01/XHTML 1.0 served as text/html ←

Unknown IanJ: Add to the list: * Success of microformats and what that means for xhtml, cdf, ... ←

Unknown IanJ: * Listening to the community; seeking more representation from the community. ←

Unknown steven: see the xforms googlemap as an example [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Chris ] ←

Unknown Steven: We have have been doing AJAX scince 1999 [ Scribe Assist by Unknown timbl_ ] ←

Unknown timbl_: reecently i was talking with the people who have been using AJAX and feel a move to XForms i simportant. ←

Unknown Chris: split of spec (normative) and tutorial, and implementors guide. 3 different audiences ←

Unknown timbl_: more people on board of the HTML WG. We really should make it explicit what's out there ←

... we have to write down what we know about the markets and the possibilities ←

ACTION: Chris to work out contacts with companis and have a set of weekly meetings to swap contacts and pointers - chris, steve, steven, timbl, perhaps karenand marie for contacts too ←

Scribe problem: the name 'SteveB' does not match any of the 3 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot

Scribe problem: the name 'RalphS' does not match any of the 3 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot

Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see RalphS, IanJ, mimasa, DanC, timbl_, RRSAgent, Zakim, Chris, Steven, karl ←

Unknown IanJ: Chris, Tim asks that you document next meeting: 14 Nov 9am ET for 30 mins. and send invites (not mandatory attendance) to DC, IJ, and SB ←

Unknown RalphS: but I don't think Danny is planning to chair T&S, which means that I could cancel it ←

Scribe problem: the name 'Ian' does not match any of the 3 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot

Scribe problem: the name 'TimBL' does not match any of the 3 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot

Scribe problem: the name 'Ralph' does not match any of the 3 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot

Unknown RalphS: karl, when you edit the minutes please remove me from the Attendees list ←

Scribe problem: the name 'Chris Danc IanJ Steven Steve TimBL karl mimasa RalphS' does not match any of the 0 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names:

Scribe problem: the name 'Chris' does not match any of the 4 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Unknown karl mimasa RalphS Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot

Scribe problem: the name 'DanC' does not match any of the 4 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Unknown karl mimasa RalphS Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot

Scribe problem: the name 'timbl_' does not match any of the 4 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Unknown karl mimasa RalphS Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot

Scribe problem: the name 'Steven' does not match any of the 4 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Unknown karl mimasa RalphS Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot

XHTML Rechartering Call

Minutes of 04 November 2005