Meeting Record

Zakim IRC Bot: ok, trackbot; I see SW_(SPARQL)10:00AM scheduled to start now ←

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see ??P4, kasei, +1.603.897.aaaa, +49.897.aabb ←

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see bglimm, kasei, MattPerry, AxelPolleres, AndyS, chimezie_ (muted) ←

Paula Gearon: minutes from last 2 meetings, because of glitch with last meeting ←

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see bglimm, kasei, MattPerry, AxelPolleres, AndyS, chimezie_ (muted), pgearon ←

Andy Seaborne: generally speaking, switching to finishing things off due to time pressures [ Scribe Assist by Paula Gearon ] ←

Axel Polleres: today we have 2 comments to do, and look at CR documents again [ Scribe Assist by Paula Gearon ] ←

Axel Polleres: AndyS commented that parenthetical comment on relative IRIs was not necessary [ Scribe Assist by Paula Gearon ] ←

Andy Seaborne: yes. Though it's not about SPARQL 1.1. It's the same as SPARQL 1.0 and we don't want to open things up that might lead to problems [ Scribe Assist by Paula Gearon ] ←

Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-715 - Add remark to README and draft a reply to JW-1. [on Axel Polleres - due 2012-11-27]. ←

Gregory Williams: JS-1 is the one that last week I said I needed to respond to. This does not involve any substantive issues [ Scribe Assist by Paula Gearon ] ←

Gregory Williams: was going to respond without formal process from the group, because this issue is mostly just a misunderstanding [ Scribe Assist by Paula Gearon ] ←

Axel Polleres: can be informal response, but if it's noted on the page then it should be fine [ Scribe Assist by Paula Gearon ] ←

Axel Polleres: 3 documents still in CR because we need more implementations [ Scribe Assist by Paula Gearon ] ←

Birte Glimm: that is the URL of the overview of the entailment test doc [ Scribe Assist by Paula Gearon ] ←

Birte Glimm: we don't cover all SPARQL features, as we mainly focus on what is special for SPARQL entailment regimes [ Scribe Assist by Paula Gearon ] ←

Sandro Hawke: problem with RIF is that we have just 1 test that says, "Does RIF work or not?" [ Scribe Assist by Paula Gearon ] ←

Sandro Hawke: in some sense that's all that we need, but it looks wrong [ Scribe Assist by Paula Gearon ] ←

Birte Glimm: we cover a couple of entailments all entailments and exhaustive coverage of SPARQL features would be overkill [ Scribe Assist by Axel Polleres ] ←

Sandro Hawke: some of these are logical consistency, and they wouldn't apply very well [ Scribe Assist by Paula Gearon ] ←

Sandro Hawke: Mike has done some, but not done any more. Have been in touch, but haven't heard back yet [ Scribe Assist by Paula Gearon ] ←

Birte Glimm: We could also close my ACTION-714 Make a spreadsheet on entailment tests (which regimes they apply to) (document link is above) ←

Chimezie Ogbuji: I can look at these tests, and sync up with whatever Mike Dean has [ Scribe Assist by Paula Gearon ] ←

Andy Seaborne: RDF WG proposing to re-explain all the different entailment regimes. Does it make sense for RDF, and Ivan pointed out that this is about SPARQL [ Scribe Assist by Paula Gearon ] ←

Andy Seaborne: trying to figure out "which bucket", and that dictates if it will be done in RDF or just to have an explanation [ Scribe Assist by Paula Gearon ] ←

Andy Seaborne: We may finish before they get around to finishing the discussion on this :-) [ Scribe Assist by Paula Gearon ] ←

Axel Polleres: in two weeks would be the first possible date to proceed to PR with the remaining 3 CRs. ←

Sandro Hawke: don't need to have rec out before WG expires, but we have to vote [ Scribe Assist by Paula Gearon ] ←

Andy Seaborne: having trouble generating multipart mixed as well. Browsers don't generate this [ Scribe Assist by Paula Gearon ] ←

Andy Seaborne: if Chimezie has fixed issues then that was the only one that was left [ Scribe Assist by Paula Gearon ] ←

Chimezie Ogbuji: validator doesn't currently send multipart/mixed. So you don't be getting multipart/mixed, and won't be documenting it [ Scribe Assist by Paula Gearon ] ←

Axel Polleres: can write mail indicating what we can approve please? (all of them) [ Scribe Assist by Paula Gearon ] ←

PROPOSED: approve all protocol tests listed at https://github.com/kasei/sparql11-protocolvalidator ←

Gregory Williams: FYI, the "as of today" link for the protocol test documentation is https://github.com/kasei/sparql11-protocolvalidator/blob/8cade0ac8e6ecd74706419d140a86841b881d49f/README.md ←

ACTION: greg to mark test cases for protocol as approved as per resolution ←

Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-719 - Mark test cases for protocol as approved as per resolution [on Gregory Williams - due 2012-11-27]. ←

Gregory Williams: believe we still have unapproved test in update, as well as the ones discussed in graph store protocol and entailment [ Scribe Assist by Paula Gearon ] ←

Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-720 - Write a mail summarizing unapproved update test cases [on Paul Gearon - due 2012-11-27]. ←

Axel Polleres: next time should approve GSP test cases, and RIF if possible [ Scribe Assist by Paula Gearon ] ←

15:48:46 <pgearon> AxelPolleres: and in 2 weeks, vote for PR on remaining documents

Axel Polleres: and in 2 weeks, vote for PR on remaining documents [ Scribe Assist by Paula Gearon ] ←

15:49:28 <pgearon> bglimm: lots of other entailment tests that we have not yet approved. I can make a list of the ones that are still to be approved

Birte Glimm: lots of other entailment tests that we have not yet approved. I can make a list of the ones that are still to be approved [ Scribe Assist by Paula Gearon ] ←

15:49:53 <AxelPolleres> topic ACTION review

Axel Polleres: topic ACTION review ←

15:49:53 <AxelPolleres> ACTION: Birte to make a list of unapproved Entailment test cases passed by at least two implementations.

ACTION: Birte to make a list of unapproved Entailment test cases passed by at least two implementations. ←

15:49:53 <trackbot> Created ACTION-721 - Make a list of unapproved Entailment test cases passed by at least two implementations. [on Birte Glimm - due 2012-11-27].

Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-721 - Make a list of unapproved Entailment test cases passed by at least two implementations. [on Birte Glimm - due 2012-11-27]. ←

15:50:28 <bglimm> ACTION-701 Check all docs for the correct XML Schema datatypes reference

Birte Glimm: ACTION-701 Check all docs for the correct XML Schema datatypes reference ←

15:50:34 <AxelPolleres> close ACTION-701

Axel Polleres: close ACTION-701 ←

15:50:34 <trackbot> ACTION-701 Check all docs for the correct XML Schema datatypes reference closed

Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-701 Check all docs for the correct XML Schema datatypes reference closed ←

15:50:42 <AxelPolleres> close ACTION-702

Axel Polleres: close ACTION-702 ←

15:50:43 <trackbot> ACTION-702 Mark these 3 regimes AT-RISK in entailment doc closed

Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-702 Mark these 3 regimes AT-RISK in entailment doc closed ←

15:50:46 <bglimm> ACTION-702 Mark these 3 regimes AT-RISK in entailment doc

Birte Glimm: ACTION-702 Mark these 3 regimes AT-RISK in entailment doc ←

15:51:13 <AxelPolleres> close ACTION-707

Axel Polleres: close ACTION-707 ←

15:51:13 <trackbot> ACTION-707 Transfer Update changes since LC from mailinglist and other changes to other docs (where not already done) closed

Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-707 Transfer Update changes since LC from mailinglist and other changes to other docs (where not already done) closed ←

15:51:14 <bglimm> ACTION-714 Make a spreadsheet on entailment tests (which regimes they apply to)

Birte Glimm: ACTION-714 Make a spreadsheet on entailment tests (which regimes they apply to) ←

15:51:41 <bglimm> http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/tests/data-sparql11/entailment/Overview.htm

Birte Glimm: http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/tests/data-sparql11/entailment/Overview.htm ←

15:51:48 <AxelPolleres>  ACTION-714:  http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/tests/data-sparql11/entailment/Overview.htm

Axel Polleres: ACTION-714: http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/tests/data-sparql11/entailment/Overview.htm ←

15:51:48 <trackbot> ACTION-714 Make a spreadsheet on entailment tests (which regimes they apply to) notes added

Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-714 Make a spreadsheet on entailment tests (which regimes they apply to) notes added ←

15:51:55 <AxelPolleres> close ACTION-714

Axel Polleres: close ACTION-714 ←

15:51:55 <trackbot> ACTION-714 Make a spreadsheet on entailment tests (which regimes they apply to) closed

Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-714 Make a spreadsheet on entailment tests (which regimes they apply to) closed ←

15:52:16 <pgearon> AxelPolleres: any other actions we can close?

Axel Polleres: any other actions we can close? [ Scribe Assist by Paula Gearon ] ←

15:52:30 <AxelPolleres> close ACTION-712

Axel Polleres: close ACTION-712 ←

15:52:30 <trackbot> ACTION-712 Mark :agg-empty-group as unapproved and :agg-empty-group2 as approved in http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/tests/data-sparql11/aggregates/manifest.ttl pointing to the resp. resolution from the minutes. closed

Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-712 Mark :agg-empty-group as unapproved and :agg-empty-group2 as approved in http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/tests/data-sparql11/aggregates/manifest.ttl pointing to the resp. resolution from the minutes. closed ←

15:52:36 <bglimm> Add references to other specs to http://www.w3.org/TR/sparql11-query/#conformance (in the Editors' draft)

Birte Glimm: Add references to other specs to http://www.w3.org/TR/sparql11-query/#conformance (in the Editors' draft) ←

15:52:43 <bglimm> ACTION-710

Birte Glimm: ACTION-710 ←

15:52:49 <AxelPolleres> close ACTION-710

Axel Polleres: close ACTION-710 ←

15:52:49 <trackbot> ACTION-710 Add references to other specs to http://www.w3.org/TR/sparql11-query/#conformance (in the Editors' draft) closed

Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-710 Add references to other specs to http://www.w3.org/TR/sparql11-query/#conformance (in the Editors' draft) closed ←

15:53:03 <bglimm> ACTION-709 Check back with Sandro whether [XSDT] reference to XML Schema 1.0 is ok in Query

Birte Glimm: ACTION-709 Check back with Sandro whether [XSDT] reference to XML Schema 1.0 is ok in Query ←

15:53:05 <AxelPolleres> close ACTION-708

Axel Polleres: close ACTION-708 ←

15:53:05 <trackbot> ACTION-708 Check whether references in Query are up-to-date closed

Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-708 Check whether references in Query are up-to-date closed ←

15:53:24 <AxelPolleres> close ACTION-709

Axel Polleres: close ACTION-709 ←

15:53:25 <trackbot> ACTION-709 Check back with Sandro whether [XSDT] reference to XML Schema 1.0 is ok in Query closed

Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-709 Check back with Sandro whether [XSDT] reference to XML Schema 1.0 is ok in Query closed ←

15:53:38 <bglimm> ACTION-704 Notify Birte about ACTION-702

Birte Glimm: ACTION-704 Notify Birte about ACTION-702 ←

15:54:10 <AxelPolleres> close ACTION-704

Axel Polleres: close ACTION-704 ←

15:54:10 <trackbot> ACTION-704 Notify Birte about ACTION-702 closed

Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-704 Notify Birte about ACTION-702 closed ←

15:54:13 <chimezie_> my actions that are done: ACTION-496, ACTION-667

Chimezie Ogbuji: my actions that are done: ACTION-496, ACTION-667 ←

15:54:15 <bglimm> ACTION-703 Notify editors about Changes Since LC section

Birte Glimm: ACTION-703 Notify editors about Changes Since LC section ←

15:54:24 <AxelPolleres> close ACTION-703

Axel Polleres: close ACTION-703 ←

15:54:24 <trackbot> ACTION-703 Notify editors about Changes Since LC section closed

Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-703 Notify editors about Changes Since LC section closed ←

15:54:34 <AxelPolleres> close ACTION-496

Axel Polleres: close ACTION-496 ←

15:54:35 <trackbot> ACTION-496 Think about how test cases for graph store protocol could look like. closed

Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-496 Think about how test cases for graph store protocol could look like. closed ←

15:54:44 <AxelPolleres> close ACTION-667

Axel Polleres: close ACTION-667 ←

15:54:44 <trackbot> ACTION-667 Put together the tests as outlined in this teleconference closed

Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-667 Put together the tests as outlined in this teleconference closed ←

15:54:58 <chimezie_> ACTION-677, ACTION-697

Chimezie Ogbuji: ACTION-677, ACTION-697 ←

15:55:08 <bglimm> ACTION-688 Check Birte's README edits on entailment tests

Birte Glimm: ACTION-688 Check Birte's README edits on entailment tests ←

15:55:19 <AxelPolleres> close ACTION-688

Axel Polleres: close ACTION-688 ←

15:55:19 <trackbot> ACTION-688 Check Birte's README edits on entailment tests closed

Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-688 Check Birte's README edits on entailment tests closed ←

15:55:32 <bglimm> ACTION-685 Review entailment tests which have at least one pass, such that we can approve them nexty week

Birte Glimm: ACTION-685 Review entailment tests which have at least one pass, such that we can approve them nexty week ←

15:55:53 <AxelPolleres> close ACTION-700

Axel Polleres: close ACTION-700 ←

15:55:53 <trackbot> ACTION-700 Review changes as per ACTION-698 closed

Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-700 Review changes as per ACTION-698 closed ←

15:56:03 <AxelPolleres> close ACTION-698

Axel Polleres: close ACTION-698 ←

15:56:03 <trackbot> ACTION-698 Implement errata on XMLres and bring it in format for proposed edited recommendation closed

Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-698 Implement errata on XMLres and bring it in format for proposed edited recommendation closed ←

15:56:51 <pgearon> AxelPolleres: can continue the closing next time

Axel Polleres: can continue the closing next time [ Scribe Assist by Paula Gearon ] ←

15:57:06 <pgearon> AxelPolleres: most important thing is to concentrate on the items to get to PR

Axel Polleres: most important thing is to concentrate on the items to get to PR [ Scribe Assist by Paula Gearon ] ←

15:57:20 <chimezie_> bye

Chimezie Ogbuji: bye ←

15:57:22 <AxelPolleres> adjourned

Axel Polleres: adjourned ←

15:57:24 <AndyS> bye

Andy Seaborne: bye ←

15:57:24 <Zakim> -chimezie_

Zakim IRC Bot: -chimezie_ ←

15:57:26 <Zakim> -Sandro

Zakim IRC Bot: -Sandro ←

15:57:27 <Zakim> -MattPerry

Zakim IRC Bot: -MattPerry ←

15:57:29 <Zakim> -AndyS

Zakim IRC Bot: -AndyS ←

15:57:30 <Zakim> -kasei

Zakim IRC Bot: -kasei ←

15:57:33 <AxelPolleres> rrsagent, make records public

Axel Polleres: rrsagent, make records public ←

15:58:00 <Zakim> -pgearon

Zakim IRC Bot: -pgearon ←

15:58:15 <Zakim> -AxelPolleres

Zakim IRC Bot: -AxelPolleres ←

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SPARQL Working Group Teleconference

Minutes of 20 November 2012

1. admin

2. RDF liaison

3. anything new from RDF?

4. comments

5. CR documents

5.1. entailment regimes

6. AOB about RDF-WG and entailment regimes

7. schedule and deadlines

8. GSP

9. protocol