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13:57:03 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see SW_(SPARQL)10:00AM scheduled to start in 3 minutes
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13:57:04 <trackbot> Meeting: SPARQL Working Group Teleconference
13:57:04 <trackbot> Date: 02 October 2012
13:57:12 <LeeF> zakim, this will be SPARQL
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13:57:14 <LeeF> Agenda: http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/Agenda-2012-10-02
13:57:16 <LeeF> Chair: LeeF
13:57:24 <LeeF> zakim, code?
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13:57:24 <Zakim> the conference code is 77277 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), LeeF
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13:57:56 <Zakim> SW_(SPARQL)10:00AM has now started
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13:58:03 <Zakim> + +1.310.729.aaaa
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13:58:08 <Zakim> +EricP
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13:58:11 <kasei> Zakim, aaaa is me
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13:58:11 <Zakim> +kasei; got it
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13:58:23 <Zakim> + +1.617.553.aabb
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13:58:26 <LeeF> zakim, aabb is me
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13:58:26 <Zakim> +LeeF; got it
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13:59:30 <Zakim> + +33.4.92.96.aacc
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14:00:01 <Olivier> zakim, aacc is me
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14:00:01 <Zakim> +Olivier; got it
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14:00:04 <Zakim> + +1.603.897.aadd
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14:00:13 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
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14:00:19 <Zakim> +??P7
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14:00:19 <MattPerry> zakim, aadd is me
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14:00:20 <Zakim> +MattPerry; got it
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14:00:25 <AndyS> zakim, IPcaller is me
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14:00:25 <Zakim> +AndyS; got it
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14:00:33 <SteveH> Zakim, ??P7 is me
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14:00:33 <Zakim> +SteveH; got it
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14:00:35 <Zakim> +Sandro
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14:00:58 <Zakim> +??P13
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14:01:00 <cbuilara> zakim, ??P13 is me
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14:01:00 <Zakim> +cbuilara; got it
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14:01:24 <Zakim> + +49.897.aaee
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14:01:40 <AxelPolleres> Zakim, aaee is probably me
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14:01:40 <Zakim> +AxelPolleres; got it
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14:01:51 <Zakim> +pgearon
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14:02:18 <AxelPolleres> Zakim, who is on the phone?
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14:02:18 <Zakim> On the phone I see kasei, EricP, LeeF, Olivier, MattPerry, AndyS, SteveH, Sandro, cbuilara, AxelPolleres, pgearon
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14:02:54 <Zakim> +??P19
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14:03:06 <LeeF> zakim, who's on the phone?
Lee Feigenbaum: zakim, who's on the phone? ←
14:03:06 <Zakim> On the phone I see kasei, EricP, LeeF, Olivier, MattPerry, AndyS, SteveH, Sandro, cbuilara, AxelPolleres, pgearon, ??P19
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14:03:07 <bglimm> Zakim, ??P19 is me
Birte Glimm: Zakim, ??P19 is me ←
14:03:08 <Zakim> +bglimm; got it
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14:03:25 <AxelPolleres> Zakim, it;s really me!
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14:03:25 <Zakim> I don't understand 'it;s really me!', AxelPolleres
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14:03:27 <Zakim> +Chimezie
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14:03:34 <kasei> Zakim, who is talking?
Gregory Williams: Zakim, who is talking? ←
14:03:45 <Zakim> kasei, listening for 10 seconds I could not identify any sounds
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14:03:46 <bglimm> Zakim, mute me
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14:03:46 <Zakim> bglimm should now be muted
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14:04:13 <bglimm> Zakim, unmute me
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14:04:13 <Zakim> bglimm should no longer be muted
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14:04:17 <AndyS> greg - where in the test suite are these?
Andy Seaborne: greg - where in the test suite are these? ←
14:04:35 <sandro> scribe: sandro
(Scribe set to Sandro Hawke)
14:04:35 <LeeF> scribenick: sandro
14:04:39 <LeeF> topic: admin
14:04:40 <chimezie> Zakim, mute me
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14:04:40 <Zakim> Chimezie should now be muted
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14:04:47 <AxelPolleres> ACTION: axel to clean up the scribelist
ACTION: axel to clean up the scribelist ←
14:04:47 <trackbot> Created ACTION-689 - Clean up the scribelist [on Axel Polleres - due 2012-10-09].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-689 - Clean up the scribelist [on Axel Polleres - due 2012-10-09]. ←
14:04:47 <LeeF> PROPOSED: Approve minutes at http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/meeting/2012-09-25
PROPOSED: Approve minutes at http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/meeting/2012-09-25 ←
14:05:22 <sandro> +1
+1 ←
14:05:28 <LeeF> RESOLVED: Approve minutes at http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/meeting/2012-09-25
RESOLVED: Approve minutes at http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/meeting/2012-09-25 ←
14:05:41 <kasei> AndyS, grepping I see agg tests (avg-02, err-02, min-0[12]), coalesce01, plus-1 and plus-2
Gregory Williams: AndyS, grepping I see agg tests (avg-02, err-02, min-0[12]), coalesce01, plus-1 and plus-2 ←
14:06:12 <sandro> lee: no open comments for query, right?
Lee Feigenbaum: no open comments for query, right? ←
14:06:23 <sandro> andy: comments page is up to date, and shows nothing open.
Andy Seaborne: comments page is up to date, and shows nothing open. ←
14:06:56 <sandro> lee: tests?
Lee Feigenbaum: tests? ←
14:06:59 <LeeF> http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/implementations/
Lee Feigenbaum: http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/implementations/ ←
14:07:12 <sandro> ericP, I hear plh in the background
ericP, I hear plh in the background ←
14:07:54 <sandro> lee: Based on the feedback, do any of the query tests need to change?
Lee Feigenbaum: Based on the feedback, do any of the query tests need to change? ←
14:08:15 <sandro> eric: It seems like the goal is to have the generated values be in the canonical form?
Eric Prud'hommeaux: It seems like the goal is to have the generated values be in the canonical form? ←
14:08:22 <ericP> http://www.w3.org/TR/xmlschema11-2/#decimal-lexical-representation
Eric Prud'hommeaux: http://www.w3.org/TR/xmlschema11-2/#decimal-lexical-representation ←
14:08:37 <sandro> eric: So, looking at this, I see the text.....
Eric Prud'hommeaux: So, looking at this, I see the text..... ←
14:08:37 <sandro> q+
q+ ←
14:08:42 <ericP> In all cases, leading and trailing zeroes are prohibited subject to the following: there must be at least one digit to the right and to the left of the decimal point which may be a zero.
Eric Prud'hommeaux: In all cases, leading and trailing zeroes are prohibited subject to the following: there must be at least one digit to the right and to the left of the decimal point which may be a zero. ←
14:08:57 <sandro> eric: This text says to me there should be a trailing zero.
Eric Prud'hommeaux: This text says to me there should be a trailing zero. ←
14:09:43 <sandro> AndyS:in the algorithms section, it says if an integer, then use ... map, without decimal point
Andy Seaborne: in the algorithms section, it says if an integer, then use ... map, without decimal point ←
14:10:21 <sandro> sandro: Eric, is this about the specs or the test suite?
Sandro Hawke: Eric, is this about the specs or the test suite? ←
14:10:24 <AndyS> NB "xmlschema11-2/#decimal-lexical-representation" is different to the email ref of EricP
Andy Seaborne: NB "xmlschema11-2/#decimal-lexical-representation" is different to the email ref of EricP ←
14:11:02 <sandro> eric: If the spec allows any valid lex rep, then, no, this isnt about the spec.
Eric Prud'hommeaux: If the spec allows any valid lex rep, then, no, this isnt about the spec. ←
14:11:49 <AxelPolleres> I think we define result set equivalence by RDF simple entailment...http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/tests/README.html#queryevaltests
Axel Polleres: I think we define result set equivalence by RDF simple entailment...http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/tests/README.html#queryevaltests ←
14:12:08 <sandro> sandro: I'm proposing this as a post-PR test suite cleanup thing.
Sandro Hawke: I'm proposing this as a post-PR test suite cleanup thing. ←
14:12:08 <AxelPolleres> ... not more, not less.
Axel Polleres: ... not more, not less. ←
14:12:28 <sandro> eric: I don't see how people can pass the tests like this.
Eric Prud'hommeaux: I don't see how people can pass the tests like this. ←
14:12:44 <sandro> lee: We have impls that *do* pass, which is evidence to the contrary.
Lee Feigenbaum: We have impls that *do* pass, which is evidence to the contrary. ←
14:12:55 <sandro> eric: What result set do we get?
Eric Prud'hommeaux: What result set do we get? ←
14:13:29 <kasei> q+
Gregory Williams: q+ ←
14:13:39 <LeeF> ack kasei
Lee Feigenbaum: ack kasei ←
14:13:39 <sandro> eric: Were the tests passed by human intervention?
Eric Prud'hommeaux: Were the tests passed by human intervention? ←
14:14:11 <sandro> kasei: Everyone already has that burden, because we're not providing a test harness.
Gregory Williams: Everyone already has that burden, because we're not providing a test harness. ←
14:14:48 <sandro> kasei: We can't assume things here -- we don't control how import is done, or when/how/if canonicallization is done.
Gregory Williams: We can't assume things here -- we don't control how import is done, or when/how/if canonicallization is done. ←
14:14:49 <AxelPolleres> q+
Axel Polleres: q+ ←
14:15:02 <sandro> sandro: Is that written down -- that the tests are numeric equivalence.
Sandro Hawke: Is that written down -- that the tests are numeric equivalence. ←
14:15:06 <sandro> q-
q- ←
14:15:11 <bglimm> q+
Birte Glimm: q+ ←
14:15:12 <sandro> lee: Let's take an action to document and move on.
Lee Feigenbaum: Let's take an action to document and move on. ←
14:15:29 <AxelPolleres> http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/tests/README.html#howto would be a good place to document this.
Axel Polleres: http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/tests/README.html#howto would be a good place to document this. ←
14:15:33 <Zakim> + +1.512.651.aaff
Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.512.651.aaff ←
14:15:34 <sandro> eric: I'd like to resolve whether a zero is needed, but we can do that later.
Eric Prud'hommeaux: I'd like to resolve whether a zero is needed, but we can do that later. ←
14:15:51 <LeeF> ack AxelPolleres
Lee Feigenbaum: ack AxelPolleres ←
14:16:05 <ArthurK> Zakim, +1.512.651.aaff is me
Arthur Keen: Zakim, +1.512.651.aaff is me ←
14:16:05 <Zakim> +ArthurK; got it
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14:16:24 <bglimm> ack bglimm
Birte Glimm: ack bglimm ←
14:16:42 <LeeF> ACTION: Axel and Lee to document expectation of comparing numeric results in test results in http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/tests/README.html#howto
ACTION: Axel and Lee to document expectation of comparing numeric results in test results in http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/tests/README.html#howto ←
14:16:42 <trackbot> Created ACTION-690 - And Lee to document expectation of comparing numeric results in test results in http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/tests/README.html#howto [on Axel Polleres - due 2012-10-09].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-690 - And Lee to document expectation of comparing numeric results in test results in http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/tests/README.html#howto [on Axel Polleres - due 2012-10-09]. ←
14:17:20 <sandro> lee: Eric, any other problems you found?
Lee Feigenbaum: Eric, any other problems you found? ←
14:17:41 <sandro> eric: one of the other tests, mentioned in my email, gives a result that's very hard to explain.
Eric Prud'hommeaux: one of the other tests, mentioned in my email, gives a result that's very hard to explain. ←
14:17:52 <sandro> eric: graph constraint on outside of subselect.
Eric Prud'hommeaux: graph constraint on outside of subselect. ←
14:18:43 <sandro> eric: graph constraint on outside of graph constraint is done via a stack of graph constraints. but for subquery (and maybe service?) is you preserve the graph constraint.
Eric Prud'hommeaux: graph constraint on outside of graph constraint is done via a stack of graph constraints. but for subquery (and maybe service?) is you preserve the graph constraint. ←
14:18:56 <kasei> sq03.rq: graph ?g { {select ?x where {?x ?p ?g}} }
Gregory Williams: sq03.rq: graph ?g { {select ?x where {?x ?p ?g}} } ←
14:20:24 <sandro> lee: I propose this is a corner case, unlikely to come up in practice. you wont have to teach this. I propose to change nothing.
Lee Feigenbaum: I propose this is a corner case, unlikely to come up in practice. you wont have to teach this. I propose to change nothing. ←
14:20:49 <sandro> eric: i just wanted to see if this resonates with anyone
Eric Prud'hommeaux: i just wanted to see if this resonates with anyone ←
14:20:56 <sandro> lee: you want to remove the test?
Lee Feigenbaum: you want to remove the test? ←
14:21:19 <sandro> eric: we could say the graph constraint, { ... { ... we could have the same behavior.
Eric Prud'hommeaux: we could say the graph constraint, { ... { ... we could have the same behavior. ←
14:21:29 <sandro> lee: we're not open to a substantive change at this point.
Lee Feigenbaum: we're not open to a substantive change at this point. ←
14:22:25 <sandro> sandro: this is out of order, too late eric
Sandro Hawke: this is out of order, too late eric ←
14:22:33 <sandro> eric: no, this is implementation feedback.
Eric Prud'hommeaux: no, this is implementation feedback. ←
14:22:44 <sandro> eric: (argument from email)
Eric Prud'hommeaux: (argument from email) ←
14:23:14 <sandro> lee: personally, I'd object to that change, as unintuitive to me. a subquery inside a graph constraint, I can't see why I'd want anything else.
Lee Feigenbaum: personally, I'd object to that change, as unintuitive to me. a subquery inside a graph constraint, I can't see why I'd want anything else. ←
14:23:22 <sandro> lee: anyone support eric's proposal
Lee Feigenbaum: anyone support eric's proposal ←
14:23:27 <sandro> <crickets>
<crickets> ←
14:23:40 <LeeF> PROPOSED: Publish http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/query1.1/rq25.xml as PR
PROPOSED: Publish http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/query1.1/rq25.xml as PR ←
14:23:49 <kasei> +1
Gregory Williams: +1 ←
14:23:50 <AxelPolleres> I agree that this is a corner case, were there might be different opinions, but the test case clarifies what behaviour the group expects.
Axel Polleres: I agree that this is a corner case, were there might be different opinions, but the test case clarifies what behaviour the group expects. ←
14:23:53 <sandro> +1
+1 ←
14:23:53 <AxelPolleres> +1
Axel Polleres: +1 ←
14:23:55 <Olivier> +1
Olivier Corby: +1 ←
14:24:00 <bglimm> +1
Birte Glimm: +1 ←
14:24:01 <AndyS> +1 ASF
Andy Seaborne: +1 ASF ←
14:24:04 <chimezie> +1
Chimezie Ogbuji: +1 ←
14:24:07 <MattPerry> +1
Matthew Perry: +1 ←
14:24:08 <pgearon> +1
Paula Gearon: +1 ←
14:24:14 <LeeF> +1
Lee Feigenbaum: +1 ←
14:24:16 <SteveH> +1
Steve Harris: +1 ←
14:24:22 <LeeF> RESOLVED: Publish http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/query1.1/rq25.xml as PR
RESOLVED: Publish http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/query1.1/rq25.xml as PR ←
14:24:33 <cbuilara> +1
Carlos Buil Aranda: +1 ←
14:24:40 <LeeF> topic: Update
14:24:56 <AxelPolleres> RV-10
Axel Polleres: RV-10 ←
14:26:40 <sandro> axel: somewhat arguable results. I proposed test cases yesterday, there were some opinions.
Axel Polleres: somewhat arguable results. I proposed test cases yesterday, there were some opinions. ←
14:26:59 <sandro> lee: steve and olivier think... andy thinks......
Lee Feigenbaum: steve and olivier think... andy thinks...... ←
14:27:18 <sandro> lee: Did the commenter (Rob) express a preference here?
Lee Feigenbaum: Did the commenter (Rob) express a preference here? ←
14:27:20 <SteveH> steve and olivier think it should be different bnodes, and thinks the same
Steve Harris: steve and olivier think it should be different bnodes, and thinks the same ←
14:27:28 <SteveH> *andy
Steve Harris: *andy ←
14:27:30 <LeeF> INSERT DATA { ... _:b1 ... } ; INSERT DATA { ... _:b1 ... }
Lee Feigenbaum: INSERT DATA { ... _:b1 ... } ; INSERT DATA { ... _:b1 ... } ←
14:27:33 <LeeF> One bnode or two?
Lee Feigenbaum: One bnode or two? ←
14:27:42 <ericP> lee: steve and olivier think that multiple inserts using the same blank node label should result in different bnodes. andy thinks it should be the same
Lee Feigenbaum: steve and olivier think that multiple inserts using the same blank node label should result in different bnodes. andy thinks it should be the same [ Scribe Assist by Eric Prud'hommeaux ] ←
14:28:04 <AndyS> Third option - ban it.
Andy Seaborne: Third option - ban it. ←
14:28:30 <LeeF> sandro: think i agree with Andy, based on discussion in RDF group and resolution that in its multigraph syntax, this would be the same blank node
Sandro Hawke: think i agree with Andy, based on discussion in RDF group and resolution that in its multigraph syntax, this would be the same blank node [ Scribe Assist by Lee Feigenbaum ] ←
14:28:52 <AxelPolleres> RV would expect something even "more different" ... "distinct fresh blank nodes will be generated for each usage in each block."
Axel Polleres: RV would expect something even "more different" ... "distinct fresh blank nodes will be generated for each usage in each block." ←
14:28:57 <SteveH> I'm not sure there's a parllell with TriG, that more like within one ;
Steve Harris: I'm not sure there's a parllell with TriG, that more like within one ; ←
14:29:03 <sandro> lee: That RDF-WG argument has some weight for me, yes.
Lee Feigenbaum: That RDF-WG argument has some weight for me, yes. ←
14:29:09 <AndyS> FYI: http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/track/issues/21
Andy Seaborne: FYI: http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/track/issues/21 ←
14:29:30 <sandro> AxelPolleres: Rob (commenter) expects different ones, even in nested blocks.
Axel Polleres: Rob (commenter) expects different ones, even in nested blocks. ←
14:29:40 <kasei> I agree with Steve. TriG is more like GRAPH :g1 {} GRAPH ?g2 {}, not multiple operations in the same request.
Gregory Williams: I agree with Steve. TriG is more like GRAPH :g1 {} GRAPH ?g2 {}, not multiple operations in the same request. ←
14:29:40 <sandro> AxelPolleres: Which is not what we want, I think.
Axel Polleres: Which is not what we want, I think. ←
14:29:52 <sandro> SteveH: That's not how I recall it. link to message?
Steve Harris: That's not how I recall it. link to message? ←
14:30:01 <sandro> bglimm: Is it because of the semicolon?
Birte Glimm: Is it because of the semicolon? ←
14:30:47 <sandro> lee: I've always thought of blank node labels as document scope.
Lee Feigenbaum: I've always thought of blank node labels as document scope. ←
14:30:56 <SteveH> +1 to strawpoll
Steve Harris: +1 to strawpoll ←
14:31:46 <AxelPolleres> q+ to answer on sandro
Axel Polleres: q+ to answer on sandro ←
14:31:51 <LeeF> ack AxelPolleres
Lee Feigenbaum: ack AxelPolleres ←
14:31:51 <Zakim> AxelPolleres, you wanted to answer on sandro
Zakim IRC Bot: AxelPolleres, you wanted to answer on sandro ←
14:32:11 <SteveH> sando gave the argument that convinced the RDF-WG
Steve Harris: sando gave the argument that convinced the RDF-WG ←
14:32:21 <sandro> sandro: I think the RDF-WG was swayed by the notion of serializing a dataset with shared blank nodes between graphs.
Sandro Hawke: I think the RDF-WG was swayed by the notion of serializing a dataset with shared blank nodes between graphs. ←
14:32:46 <LeeF> straw poll: do the occurrences of _:b1 in "INSERT DATA { ... _:b1 ... } ; INSERT DATA { ... _:b1 ... }" refer to ONE blank node or TWO blank nodes?
Lee Feigenbaum: straw poll: do the occurrences of _:b1 in "INSERT DATA { ... _:b1 ... } ; INSERT DATA { ... _:b1 ... }" refer to ONE blank node or TWO blank nodes? ←
14:32:47 <sandro> AxelPolleres: This is different -- you can do that, with one request with multiply GRAPH clauses.
Axel Polleres: This is different -- you can do that, with one request with multiply GRAPH clauses. ←
14:32:51 <sandro> sandro: ah, okay.
Sandro Hawke: ah, okay. ←
14:33:05 <pgearon> two
Paula Gearon: two ←
14:33:08 <SteveH> two
Steve Harris: two ←
14:33:10 <AndyS> one blank - or ban it.
Andy Seaborne: one blank - or ban it. ←
14:33:13 <chimezie> one
Chimezie Ogbuji: one ←
14:33:14 <sandro> one
one ←
14:33:15 <ericP> one
Eric Prud'hommeaux: one ←
14:33:16 <bglimm> two (slight preference)
Birte Glimm: two (slight preference) ←
14:33:18 <MattPerry> one
Matthew Perry: one ←
14:33:19 <AxelPolleres> don't care
Axel Polleres: don't care ←
14:33:19 <Olivier> 2
Olivier Corby: 2 ←
14:33:38 <ArthurK> one or ban it
Arthur Keen: one or ban it ←
14:33:44 <SteveH> ban it would be ok
Steve Harris: ban it would be ok ←
14:33:56 <sandro> lee: even split. when we had a similar issue on spanning BGPs with entailment semantics, the end result was to ban it.
Lee Feigenbaum: even split. when we had a similar issue on spanning BGPs with entailment semantics, the end result was to ban it. ←
14:34:08 <AxelPolleres> if you ask me as an editor, I'd switch to "�one" (because then I don't have to edit anything
Axel Polleres: if you ask me as an editor, I'd switch to "�one" (because then I don't have to edit anything ←
14:34:11 <SteveH> … ot make it implementation defined *ducks*
Steve Harris: … ot make it implementation defined *ducks* ←
14:34:12 <AxelPolleres> ;-)
Axel Polleres: ;-) ←
14:34:33 <sandro> PROPOSED: It's an error to use the same blank node label in two different parts. We'd not test this, just assert it.
PROPOSED: It's an error to use the same blank node label in two different operations in the same request. We'd not test this, just assert it. ←
14:34:52 <AndyS> s/parts/operations in the same request/
14:35:20 <sandro> PROPOSED: It's an error to use the same blank node label in two different operations in the same request. We'd not test this, just assert it.
PROPOSED: It's an error to use the same blank node label in two different operations in the same request. We'd not test this, just assert it. ←
14:35:28 <SteveH> we're omly sort-of testing for it - the test is a bit strange
Steve Harris: we're omly sort-of testing for it - the test is a bit strange ←
14:35:30 <sandro> AndyS: We're already testing for it.
Andy Seaborne: We're already testing for it. ←
14:35:43 <sandro> AndyS: This also re-opens the query document.
Andy Seaborne: This also re-opens the query document. ←
14:35:49 <AxelPolleres> I don't think we have an *approved test case* for that, do we?��
Axel Polleres: I don't think we have an *approved test case* for that, do we?�� ←
14:36:14 <sandro> AndyS: Hmmmm, what was Rob running against....
Andy Seaborne: Hmmmm, what was Rob running against.... ←
14:37:14 <AxelPolleres> RV-10 (http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg-comments/2012Sep/0022.html) doesn't mention a test case, and the exmple he mentions isn't conflicting with the ban across requests, is it?
Axel Polleres: RV-10 (http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg-comments/2012Sep/0022.html) doesn't mention a test case, and the exmple he mentions isn't conflicting with the ban across requests, is it? ←
14:37:29 <sandro> lee: let's do that proposal, then unapprove test 53.
Lee Feigenbaum: let's do that proposal, then unapprove test 53. ←
14:37:44 <SteveH> we could make it a negative syntax test if we wanted to
Steve Harris: we could make it a negative syntax test if we wanted to ←
14:37:54 <sandro> lee: the publish updates and query as PR, contingient on this modification.
Lee Feigenbaum: the publish updates and query as PR, contingient on this modification. ←
14:38:07 <bglimm> Zakim, mute me
Birte Glimm: Zakim, mute me ←
14:38:07 <Zakim> bglimm should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: bglimm should now be muted ←
14:38:15 <sandro> lee: not time for a new test.
Lee Feigenbaum: not time for a new test. ←
14:38:52 <sandro> PROPOSED: It's an error to use the same blank node label in two different operations in the same request. Remove test 53. At some point in the future, add negative syntax test.
PROPOSED: It's an error to use the same blank node label in two different operations in the same request. Remove test 53. At some point in the future, add negative syntax test. ←
14:38:55 <AndyS> Test was added 2012/05/26
Andy Seaborne: Test was added 2012/05/26 ←
14:39:08 <sandro> +1
+1 ←
14:39:10 <AxelPolleres> unapprove .... go for PR ... add and re-approve negative syntax test in the future.
Axel Polleres: unapprove .... go for PR ... add and re-approve negative syntax test in the future. ←
14:39:28 <kasei> +1
Gregory Williams: +1 ←
14:39:30 <bglimm> +1
Birte Glimm: +1 ←
14:39:32 <MattPerry> +1
Matthew Perry: +1 ←
14:39:32 <ArthurK> +1
Arthur Keen: +1 ←
14:39:33 <pgearon> abstain
Paula Gearon: abstain ←
14:39:41 <Olivier> abstain
Olivier Corby: abstain ←
14:39:42 <cbuilara> abstain
Carlos Buil Aranda: abstain ←
14:39:42 <AxelPolleres> +1 (also changing unapproved new basic-update tests to negative syntax tests)
Axel Polleres: +1 (also changing unapproved new basic-update tests to negative syntax tests) ←
14:40:30 <LeeF> +1
Lee Feigenbaum: +1 ←
14:40:45 <SteveH> +1
Steve Harris: +1 ←
14:41:02 <LeeF> RESOLVED: It's an error to use the same blank node label in two different operations in the same request. Remove test 53. At some point in the future, add negative syntax test.
RESOLVED: It's an error to use the same blank node label in two different operations in the same request. Remove test 53. At some point in the future, add negative syntax test. ←
14:41:39 <AndyS> test 53 == syntax-update-1/syntax-update-53.ru
Andy Seaborne: test 53 == syntax-update-1/syntax-update-53.ru ←
14:41:56 <LeeF> PROPOSED: Publish http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/query1.1/rq25.xml as PR contingent on the text changes to note that it's an error to use the same blank node label in two different operations in the same request
PROPOSED: Publish http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/query1.1/rq25.xml as PR contingent on the text changes to note that it's an error to use the same blank node label in two different operations in the same request ←
14:42:14 <sandro> +1 W3C
+1 W3C ←
14:42:18 <LeeF> +1
Lee Feigenbaum: +1 ←
14:42:20 <AndyS> +1 ASF
Andy Seaborne: +1 ASF ←
14:42:21 <bglimm> +1 (UUlm)
Birte Glimm: +1 (UUlm) ←
14:42:21 <pgearon> +1
Paula Gearon: +1 ←
14:42:21 <cbuilara> +1
Carlos Buil Aranda: +1 ←
14:42:23 <Olivier> +1
Olivier Corby: +1 ←
14:42:23 <MattPerry> +1
Matthew Perry: +1 ←
14:42:23 <SteveH> +1 Experian
Steve Harris: +1 Experian ←
14:42:24 <AxelPolleres> how do we check/review the change?
Axel Polleres: how do we check/review the change? ←
14:42:30 <Zakim> -EricP
Zakim IRC Bot: -EricP ←
14:42:44 <AxelPolleres> +1 (plus action to approval by review)
Axel Polleres: +1 (plus action to approval by review) ←
14:42:57 <ArthurK> +1
Arthur Keen: +1 ←
14:43:39 <LeeF> RESOLVED: Publish http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/query1.1/rq25.xml as PR contingent on the text changes to note that it's an error to use the same blank node label in two different operations in the same request
RESOLVED: Publish http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/query1.1/rq25.xml as PR contingent on the text changes to note that it's an error to use the same blank node label in two different operations in the same request ←
14:44:19 <sandro> sandro has changed the topic to: SPARQL WG : http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/Agenda-2012-10-02
sandro has changed the topic to: SPARQL WG : http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/Agenda-2012-10-02 ←
14:44:20 <AndyS> ACTION AndyS make change to rq25 to reflect banning use of the same bNode label across operations. Notify WG when done.
Andy Seaborne: ACTION AndyS make change to rq25 to reflect banning use of the same bNode label across operations. Notify WG when done. ←
14:44:20 <trackbot> Created ACTION-691 - Make change to rq25 to reflect banning use of the same bNode label across operations. Notify WG when done. [on Andy Seaborne - due 2012-10-09].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-691 - Make change to rq25 to reflect banning use of the same bNode label across operations. Notify WG when done. [on Andy Seaborne - due 2012-10-09]. ←
14:44:20 <LeeF> ACTION: Axel to approve the change re: banning multiple same blank node label in update requests
ACTION: Axel to approve the change re: banning multiple same blank node label in update requests ←
14:44:20 <trackbot> Created ACTION-692 - Approve the change re: banning multiple same blank node label in update requests [on Axel Polleres - due 2012-10-09].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-692 - Approve the change re: banning multiple same blank node label in update requests [on Axel Polleres - due 2012-10-09]. ←
14:45:45 <LeeF> ACTION: Axel to update wording in update document to be consistent wiht change re: blank node labels in query doc
ACTION: Axel to update wording in update document to be consistent wiht change re: blank node labels in query doc ←
14:45:45 <trackbot> Created ACTION-693 - Update wording in update document to be consistent wiht change re: blank node labels in query doc [on Axel Polleres - due 2012-10-09].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-693 - Update wording in update document to be consistent wiht change re: blank node labels in query doc [on Axel Polleres - due 2012-10-09]. ←
14:45:48 <AndyS> q+
Andy Seaborne: q+ ←
14:46:11 <sandro> AxelPolleres: We need an okay from Rob.
Axel Polleres: We need an okay from Rob. ←
14:46:28 <sandro> AndyS: What part of Query changes?
Andy Seaborne: What part of Query changes? ←
14:46:48 <sandro> LeeF: I think it's just editorial, removing an editorial bit about update scope.
Lee Feigenbaum: I think it's just editorial, removing an editorial bit about update scope. ←
14:46:50 <AndyS> ack me
Andy Seaborne: ack me ←
14:47:42 <LeeF> PROPOSED: Publish http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/update-1.1/Overview.xml as PR contingent on acknowledgement of response to RV-10 and contingent on ACTION-693 completion
PROPOSED: Publish http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/update-1.1/Overview.xml as PR contingent on acknowledgement of response to RV-10 and contingent on ACTION-693 completion ←
14:47:59 <AxelPolleres> q+ to maybe approve RV-10 just now? http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/CommentResponse:RV-10
Axel Polleres: q+ to maybe approve RV-10 just now? http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/CommentResponse:RV-10 ←
14:48:21 <LeeF> PROPOSED: Publish http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/update-1.1/Overview.xml as PR contingent on acknowledgement of response to RV-10 and contingent on ACTION-692 and ACTION-693 completion
PROPOSED: Publish http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/update-1.1/Overview.xml as PR contingent on acknowledgement of response to RV-10 and contingent on ACTION-692 and ACTION-693 completion ←
14:48:22 <sandro> AndyS: Continent on 692 as well?
Andy Seaborne: Continent on 692 as well? ←
14:50:14 <LeeF> kasei: +1
Gregory Williams: +1 [ Scribe Assist by Lee Feigenbaum ] ←
14:50:19 <AxelPolleres> +1 (siemens)
Axel Polleres: +1 (siemens) ←
14:50:22 <AndyS> +1 ASF
Andy Seaborne: +1 ASF ←
14:50:24 <LeeF> +1
Lee Feigenbaum: +1 ←
14:50:26 <bglimm> +1 (UUlm)
Birte Glimm: +1 (UUlm) ←
14:50:26 <pgearon> +1
Paula Gearon: +1 ←
14:50:27 <cbuilara> +1
Carlos Buil Aranda: +1 ←
14:50:28 <sandro> +1
+1 ←
14:50:29 <MattPerry> +1 Oracle
Matthew Perry: +1 Oracle ←
14:50:35 <Olivier> +1
Olivier Corby: +1 ←
14:50:36 <ArthurK> +1
Arthur Keen: +1 ←
14:50:39 <LeeF> RESOLVED: Publish http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/update-1.1/Overview.xml as PR contingent on acknowledgement of response to RV-10 and contingent on ACTION-692 and ACTION-693 completion
RESOLVED: Publish http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/update-1.1/Overview.xml as PR contingent on acknowledgement of response to RV-10 and contingent on ACTION-692 and ACTION-693 completion ←
14:52:49 <Zakim> -Chimezie
Zakim IRC Bot: -Chimezie ←
14:52:52 <sandro> lee: GSP? later, Chime isn't here.
Lee Feigenbaum: GSP? later, Chime isn't here. ←
14:53:01 <sandro> lee: FedQ ?
Lee Feigenbaum: FedQ ? ←
14:53:17 <Zakim> +Chimezie
Zakim IRC Bot: +Chimezie ←
14:53:29 <sandro> cbuilara: One comment, just a suggestion.
Carlos Buil Aranda: One comment, just a suggestion. ←
14:53:34 <cbuilara> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg-comments/2012Jul/0013.html
Carlos Buil Aranda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg-comments/2012Jul/0013.html ←
14:54:27 <AxelPolleres> RV-10 draft response updated at http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/CommentResponse:RV-10 (sending contingent to completion of ACTIONS on edits in query and update doc)
Axel Polleres: RV-10 draft response updated at http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/CommentResponse:RV-10 (sending contingent to completion of ACTIONS on edits in query and update doc) ←
14:55:39 <sandro> lee: Since we need another week anyway, might as well go around with Peter again. Carlos can you tell Peter that given where we are in the WG, we'd prefer to handle this in a future WG?
Lee Feigenbaum: Since we need another week anyway, might as well go around with Peter again. Carlos can you tell Peter that given where we are in the WG, we'd prefer to handle this in a future WG? ←
14:55:46 <sandro> cbuilara: yes, I'll do that today.
Carlos Buil Aranda: yes, I'll do that today. ←
14:56:08 <LeeF> PROPOSED: Publish http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/json-results/json-results.xml as PR
PROPOSED: Publish http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/json-results/json-results.xml as PR ←
14:56:12 <sandro> +1
+1 ←
14:56:35 <AxelPolleres> +1 (siemens)
Axel Polleres: +1 (siemens) ←
14:56:36 <sandro> lee: 3 100% test results
Lee Feigenbaum: 3 100% test results ←
14:56:36 <bglimm> +1 (UUlm)
Birte Glimm: +1 (UUlm) ←
14:56:40 <LeeF> +1
Lee Feigenbaum: +1 ←
14:56:41 <cbuilara> +1
Carlos Buil Aranda: +1 ←
14:56:45 <MattPerry> +1 (Oracle)
Matthew Perry: +1 (Oracle) ←
14:56:46 <SteveH> +1 Experian
Steve Harris: +1 Experian ←
14:56:47 <Olivier> +1
Olivier Corby: +1 ←
14:56:53 <LeeF> RESOLVED: Publish http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/json-results/json-results.xml as PR
RESOLVED: Publish http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/json-results/json-results.xml as PR ←
14:56:59 <AndyS> +1 ASF
Andy Seaborne: +1 ASF ←
14:57:09 <ArthurK> +1 Algebraix
Arthur Keen: +1 Algebraix ←
14:57:27 <LeeF> PROPOSED: Publish http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/csv-tsv-results/results-csv-tsv.html as PR
PROPOSED: Publish http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/csv-tsv-results/results-csv-tsv.html as PR ←
14:57:36 <sandro> lee: csv/tst -- also three at 100%
Lee Feigenbaum: csv/tst -- also three at 100% ←
14:57:39 <sandro> +1
+1 ←
14:57:41 <AxelPolleres> +1 (siemens)
Axel Polleres: +1 (siemens) ←
14:57:43 <LeeF> +1
Lee Feigenbaum: +1 ←
14:57:43 <Olivier> +1
Olivier Corby: +1 ←
14:57:44 <bglimm> +1 (UUlm)
Birte Glimm: +1 (UUlm) ←
14:57:44 <cbuilara> +1
Carlos Buil Aranda: +1 ←
14:57:49 <AndyS> +1 ASF
Andy Seaborne: +1 ASF ←
14:57:50 <ArthurK> +1 Algebraix
Arthur Keen: +1 Algebraix ←
14:57:52 <MattPerry> +1 (Oracle)
Matthew Perry: +1 (Oracle) ←
14:57:56 <SteveH> +1 Experian
Steve Harris: +1 Experian ←
14:58:02 <pgearon> +1
Paula Gearon: +1 ←
14:58:04 <LeeF> RESOLVED: Publish http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/csv-tsv-results/results-csv-tsv.html as PR
RESOLVED: Publish http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/csv-tsv-results/results-csv-tsv.html as PR ←
14:58:32 <sandro> lee: Anything pending with Overview?
Lee Feigenbaum: Anything pending with Overview? ←
14:58:37 <Zakim> -Chimezie
Zakim IRC Bot: -Chimezie ←
14:58:43 <LeeF> PROPOSED: Publish http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/sparql11-overview/Overview.xml as PR
PROPOSED: Publish http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/sparql11-overview/Overview.xml as PR ←
14:58:47 <sandro> axel: Nope.
Axel Polleres: Nope. ←
14:58:48 <sandro> +1
+1 ←
14:58:51 <LeeF> +1
Lee Feigenbaum: +1 ←
14:58:51 <AxelPolleres> +1 (siemens)
Axel Polleres: +1 (siemens) ←
14:58:54 <ArthurK> +1 Algebraix
Arthur Keen: +1 Algebraix ←
14:58:55 <bglimm> +1 (UUlm)
Birte Glimm: +1 (UUlm) ←
14:58:55 <cbuilara> +1
Carlos Buil Aranda: +1 ←
14:58:57 <MattPerry> +1 (Oracle)
Matthew Perry: +1 (Oracle) ←
14:58:59 <AndyS> +1 ASF
Andy Seaborne: +1 ASF ←
14:59:08 <LeeF> RESOLVED: Publish http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/sparql11-overview/Overview.xml as PR
RESOLVED: Publish http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/sparql11-overview/Overview.xml as PR ←
14:59:08 <Olivier> +1
Olivier Corby: +1 ←
15:00:26 <Zakim> -LeeF
Zakim IRC Bot: -LeeF ←
15:00:29 <Zakim> -cbuilara
Zakim IRC Bot: -cbuilara ←
15:00:30 <sandro> sandro: I'll send an email on a little thing with XML Results format
Sandro Hawke: I'll send an email on a little thing with XML Results format ←
15:00:31 <Zakim> -SteveH
Zakim IRC Bot: -SteveH ←
15:00:32 <sandro> ADJOURN
ADJOURN ←
15:00:32 <Zakim> -kasei
Zakim IRC Bot: -kasei ←
15:00:33 <Zakim> -bglimm
Zakim IRC Bot: -bglimm ←
15:00:33 <Zakim> -Olivier
Zakim IRC Bot: -Olivier ←
15:00:35 <Zakim> -MattPerry
Zakim IRC Bot: -MattPerry ←
15:00:41 <Zakim> -pgearon
Zakim IRC Bot: -pgearon ←
15:02:20 <Zakim> -ArthurK
Zakim IRC Bot: -ArthurK ←
15:05:14 <sandro> http://www.w3.org/TR/rdf-sparql-XMLres/
http://www.w3.org/TR/rdf-sparql-XMLres/ ←
15:05:24 <sandro> http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/DataAccess/XMLres-errata
http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/DataAccess/XMLres-errata ←
15:06:19 <Zakim> -AxelPolleres
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15:06:20 <Zakim> -AndyS
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15:06:30 <Zakim> -Sandro
Zakim IRC Bot: -Sandro ←
15:06:31 <Zakim> SW_(SPARQL)10:00AM has ended
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15:06:31 <Zakim> Attendees were +1.310.729.aaaa, EricP, kasei, +1.617.553.aabb, LeeF, +33.4.92.96.aacc, Olivier, +1.603.897.aadd, MattPerry, AndyS, SteveH, Sandro, cbuilara, +49.897.aaee,
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15:06:31 <Zakim> ... AxelPolleres, pgearon, bglimm, Chimezie, ArthurK
Zakim IRC Bot: ... AxelPolleres, pgearon, bglimm, Chimezie, ArthurK ←
16:04:38 <AndyS> Enacting bNode label in update operations "change"/"clarification" : looks like one test failure - not syntax-update-53.ru which is actually OK -- one of Axel's new tests which are not approved. insert-data-same-bnode2.ru
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Andy Seaborne: Enacting bNode label in update operations "change"/"clarification" : looks like one test failure - not syntax-update-53.ru which is actually OK -- one of Axel's new tests which are not approved. insert-data-same-bnode2.ru ←
19:30:23 <kasei> what's the status of the same-bnode tests. are they all expected to fail now?
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Gregory Williams: what's the status of the same-bnode tests. are they all expected to fail now? ←
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