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13:59:26 <RRSAgent> logging to http://www.w3.org/2012/08/14-sparql-irc
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13:59:30 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see SW_(SPARQL)10:00AM scheduled to start in 1 minute
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13:59:31 <trackbot> Meeting: SPARQL Working Group Teleconference
13:59:31 <trackbot> Date: 14 August 2012
13:59:40 <AxelPolleres> Agenda: http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/Agenda-2012-08-14
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13:59:58 <Zakim> +kasei
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14:00:12 <Zakim> +??P7
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14:00:18 <AndyS> zakim, ??P7 is me
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14:00:18 <Zakim> +AndyS; got it
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14:00:26 <Zakim> +sandro
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14:01:02 <Zakim> +pgearon
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14:01:09 <AxelPolleres> Zakim, aaaa might be me
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14:01:09 <Zakim> I don't understand 'aaaa might be me', AxelPolleres
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14:01:20 <AxelPolleres> Zakim, aaaa is me
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14:01:20 <Zakim> +AxelPolleres; got it
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14:01:31 <AxelPolleres> Zakim, who is on the phone?
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14:01:31 <Zakim> On the phone I see kasei, AndyS, sandro, AxelPolleres, pgearon
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14:01:55 <AxelPolleres> scribe: sandro
(Scribe set to Sandro Hawke)
14:02:59 <Zakim> +MattPerry
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14:03:03 <Zakim> +chimezie
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14:03:19 <chimezie> Zakim, mute me
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14:03:24 <AxelPolleres> http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/Agenda-2012-08-14
Axel Polleres: http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/Agenda-2012-08-14 ←
14:03:36 <AxelPolleres> topic: admin
14:03:46 <AxelPolleres> PROPOSED: Approve minutes at http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/meeting/2012-08-07
PROPOSED: Approve minutes at http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/meeting/2012-08-07 ←
14:04:20 <AxelPolleres> RESOLVED: Approve minutes at http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/meeting/2012-08-07
RESOLVED: Approve minutes at http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/meeting/2012-08-07 ←
14:05:02 <AxelPolleres> Mat can scribe next week
Axel Polleres: Matt can scribe next week ←
14:05:17 <sandro> s/Mat/Matt/
14:05:28 <sandro> topic: RDF Liaison
14:05:32 <sandro> axel: mail from Andy
Axel Polleres: mail from Andy ←
14:05:34 <AxelPolleres> topic: RDF liasion
14:05:40 <AxelPolleres> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2012JulSep/0112.html
Axel Polleres: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2012JulSep/0112.html ←
14:05:42 <sandro> andy: I think the writeup is reasonably complete
Andy Seaborne: I think the writeup is reasonably complete ←
14:06:08 <sandro> axel: Our main thing: we don't want to change anything at this point.
Axel Polleres: Our main thing: we don't want to change anything at this point. ←
14:06:20 <AndyS> See http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2012JulSep/0112.html
Andy Seaborne: See http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2012JulSep/0112.html ←
14:06:43 <sandro> andy: no formal proposals on the table yet
Andy Seaborne: no formal proposals on the table yet ←
14:07:16 <sandro> AxelPolleres: From out side, we'd like it in line with Property Path syntax, but otherwise there's nothing for us to say/do
Axel Polleres: From out side, we'd like it in line with Property Path syntax, but otherwise there's nothing for us to say/do ←
14:07:27 <sandro> AndyS: THe RDF WG isn't seeking comment at this stage.
Andy Seaborne: THe RDF WG isn't seeking comment at this stage. ←
14:07:43 <AxelPolleres> topic: Finish Protocol validator / test suite
14:07:54 <AxelPolleres> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2012JulSep/0113.html
Axel Polleres: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2012JulSep/0113.html ←
14:08:51 <Zakim> +??P9
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14:08:55 <cbuilara> zakim, ??P9 is me
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Scribe problem: the name 'cbuilara' does not match any of the 67 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Ahmed Ezzat Alberto Labarga Alexandre Passant Andrea Westerinen Andrei Lopatenko Andy Seaborne Arthur Keen Axel Polleres Bijan Parsia Birte Glimm Bryan Thompson Chimezie Ogbuji Cui Tao Daniel Schutzer Dave Beckett David Charboneau David Newman Davide Palmisano Dhanapalan Kulandai Vadivel Dirk Colaert Dirk-Willem van Gulik Edward Thomas Elias Torres Enrico Franconi Eric Prud'hommeaux Frank Careccia Fred Zemke Gregory Williams Hiroyuki Sato Iker Huerga Ivan Mikhailov Jacek Kopecký Jari Vänttinen Jean-François Baget Jean-Pierre EVAIN Jeen Broekstra Jeff Pollock John Clark Jos De Roo Kendall Clark Kevin Wilkinson Lee Feigenbaum Matthew Perry Michael Smith Michele Minno Nico Michaelis Nophadol Jekjantuk Olivier Corby Orri Erling Paula Gearon Prateek Jain Rachel Yager Roland Schwaenzl Sandro Hawke Sergio Tessaris Simon Johnston Souripriya Das Steve Harris Sven Groppe Thomas Visel Timo Westkämper Tommi Koivula Umberto Straccia Yoshio Fukushige Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
Unknown cbuilara: zakim, ??P9 is me ←
14:08:55 <Zakim> +cbuilara; got it
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14:08:57 <AxelPolleres> https://github.com/kasei/sparql11-protocolvalidator
Axel Polleres: https://github.com/kasei/sparql11-protocolvalidator ←
14:09:01 <sandro> kasei: I think only Lee and I have looked at these tests so far.
Gregory Williams: I think only Lee and I have looked at these tests so far. ←
14:09:28 <cbuilara> I can do it
Scribe problem: the name 'cbuilara' does not match any of the 67 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Ahmed Ezzat Alberto Labarga Alexandre Passant Andrea Westerinen Andrei Lopatenko Andy Seaborne Arthur Keen Axel Polleres Bijan Parsia Birte Glimm Bryan Thompson Chimezie Ogbuji Cui Tao Daniel Schutzer Dave Beckett David Charboneau David Newman Davide Palmisano Dhanapalan Kulandai Vadivel Dirk Colaert Dirk-Willem van Gulik Edward Thomas Elias Torres Enrico Franconi Eric Prud'hommeaux Frank Careccia Fred Zemke Gregory Williams Hiroyuki Sato Iker Huerga Ivan Mikhailov Jacek Kopecký Jari Vänttinen Jean-François Baget Jean-Pierre EVAIN Jeen Broekstra Jeff Pollock John Clark Jos De Roo Kendall Clark Kevin Wilkinson Lee Feigenbaum Matthew Perry Michael Smith Michele Minno Nico Michaelis Nophadol Jekjantuk Olivier Corby Orri Erling Paula Gearon Prateek Jain Rachel Yager Roland Schwaenzl Sandro Hawke Sergio Tessaris Simon Johnston Souripriya Das Steve Harris Sven Groppe Thomas Visel Timo Westkämper Tommi Koivula Umberto Straccia Yoshio Fukushige Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
Scribe problem: the name 'cbuilara' does not match any of the 67 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Ahmed Ezzat Alberto Labarga Alexandre Passant Andrea Westerinen Andrei Lopatenko Andy Seaborne Arthur Keen Axel Polleres Bijan Parsia Birte Glimm Bryan Thompson Chimezie Ogbuji Cui Tao Daniel Schutzer Dave Beckett David Charboneau David Newman Davide Palmisano Dhanapalan Kulandai Vadivel Dirk Colaert Dirk-Willem van Gulik Edward Thomas Elias Torres Enrico Franconi Eric Prud'hommeaux Frank Careccia Fred Zemke Gregory Williams Hiroyuki Sato Iker Huerga Ivan Mikhailov Jacek Kopecký Jari Vänttinen Jean-François Baget Jean-Pierre EVAIN Jeen Broekstra Jeff Pollock John Clark Jos De Roo Kendall Clark Kevin Wilkinson Lee Feigenbaum Matthew Perry Michael Smith Michele Minno Nico Michaelis Nophadol Jekjantuk Olivier Corby Orri Erling Paula Gearon Prateek Jain Rachel Yager Roland Schwaenzl Sandro Hawke Sergio Tessaris Simon Johnston Souripriya Das Steve Harris Sven Groppe Thomas Visel Timo Westkämper Tommi Koivula Umberto Straccia Yoshio Fukushige Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
Unknown cbuilara: I can do it ←
14:10:06 <AxelPolleres> ACTION: carlos to look over protocol test cases for completeness
ACTION: carlos to look over protocol test cases for completeness ←
14:10:06 <trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - carlos
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14:10:48 <sandro> <kasei> http://kasei.us/2009/09/sparql/protocol_validator.cgi is the new url
<kasei> http://kasei.us/2009/09/sparql/protocol_validator.cgi is the new url ←
14:10:48 <sandro> <kasei> so maybe something like http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/protocol_validator ?
<kasei> so maybe something like http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/protocol_validator ? ←
14:11:22 <AxelPolleres> ACTION: cbuilara to look over protocol test cases for completeness
ACTION: cbuilara to look over protocol test cases for completeness ←
14:11:22 <trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - cbuilara
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14:11:49 <AxelPolleres> ACTION: axel to check action for carlos (cbuilara to look over protocol test cases for completeness)
ACTION: axel to check action for carlos (cbuilara to look over protocol test cases for completeness) ←
14:11:49 <trackbot> Created ACTION-668 - Check action for carlos (cbuilara to look over protocol test cases for completeness) [on Axel Polleres - due 2012-08-21].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-668 - Check action for carlos (cbuilara to look over protocol test cases for completeness) [on Axel Polleres - due 2012-08-21]. ←
14:12:12 <sandro> action: carlos to look over protocol test cases for completeness
ACTION: carlos to look over protocol test cases for completeness ←
14:12:12 <trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - carlos
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14:12:19 <cbuilara> zakim, mute me
Scribe problem: the name 'cbuilara' does not match any of the 67 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Ahmed Ezzat Alberto Labarga Alexandre Passant Andrea Westerinen Andrei Lopatenko Andy Seaborne Arthur Keen Axel Polleres Bijan Parsia Birte Glimm Bryan Thompson Chimezie Ogbuji Cui Tao Daniel Schutzer Dave Beckett David Charboneau David Newman Davide Palmisano Dhanapalan Kulandai Vadivel Dirk Colaert Dirk-Willem van Gulik Edward Thomas Elias Torres Enrico Franconi Eric Prud'hommeaux Frank Careccia Fred Zemke Gregory Williams Hiroyuki Sato Iker Huerga Ivan Mikhailov Jacek Kopecký Jari Vänttinen Jean-François Baget Jean-Pierre EVAIN Jeen Broekstra Jeff Pollock John Clark Jos De Roo Kendall Clark Kevin Wilkinson Lee Feigenbaum Matthew Perry Michael Smith Michele Minno Nico Michaelis Nophadol Jekjantuk Olivier Corby Orri Erling Paula Gearon Prateek Jain Rachel Yager Roland Schwaenzl Sandro Hawke Sergio Tessaris Simon Johnston Souripriya Das Steve Harris Sven Groppe Thomas Visel Timo Westkämper Tommi Koivula Umberto Straccia Yoshio Fukushige Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
Scribe problem: the name 'cbuilara' does not match any of the 67 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Ahmed Ezzat Alberto Labarga Alexandre Passant Andrea Westerinen Andrei Lopatenko Andy Seaborne Arthur Keen Axel Polleres Bijan Parsia Birte Glimm Bryan Thompson Chimezie Ogbuji Cui Tao Daniel Schutzer Dave Beckett David Charboneau David Newman Davide Palmisano Dhanapalan Kulandai Vadivel Dirk Colaert Dirk-Willem van Gulik Edward Thomas Elias Torres Enrico Franconi Eric Prud'hommeaux Frank Careccia Fred Zemke Gregory Williams Hiroyuki Sato Iker Huerga Ivan Mikhailov Jacek Kopecký Jari Vänttinen Jean-François Baget Jean-Pierre EVAIN Jeen Broekstra Jeff Pollock John Clark Jos De Roo Kendall Clark Kevin Wilkinson Lee Feigenbaum Matthew Perry Michael Smith Michele Minno Nico Michaelis Nophadol Jekjantuk Olivier Corby Orri Erling Paula Gearon Prateek Jain Rachel Yager Roland Schwaenzl Sandro Hawke Sergio Tessaris Simon Johnston Souripriya Das Steve Harris Sven Groppe Thomas Visel Timo Westkämper Tommi Koivula Umberto Straccia Yoshio Fukushige Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
Unknown cbuilara: zakim, mute me ←
14:12:19 <Zakim> cbuilara should now be muted
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14:12:32 <sandro> Oh, right -- Carlos isn't in the WG right now.
Oh, right -- Carlos isn't in the WG right now. ←
14:13:09 <sandro> kasei: Fuseki not that close to passing right now
Gregory Williams: Fuseki not that close to passing right now ←
14:13:13 <AxelPolleres> sandro, yeah sent you a mail on that... let's take this offline with carlos
Axel Polleres: sandro, yeah sent you a mail on that... let's take this offline with carlos ←
14:13:35 <sandro> AxelPolleres, I send email to Carlos and cc'd you 25 minutes ago.
AxelPolleres, I send email to Carlos and cc'd you 25 minutes ago. ←
14:14:08 <sandro> AndyS: Updates should be okay. If there's a published dataset, ... something ... default graph URI.
Andy Seaborne: Updates should be okay. If there's a published dataset, ... something ... default graph URI. ←
14:14:21 <sandro> kasei: The protocol has ways you can rename graphs to be the defautl graph for matching
Gregory Williams: The protocol has ways you can rename graphs to be the defautl graph for matching ←
14:14:26 <sandro> AndyS: That stuff should work.
Andy Seaborne: That stuff should work. ←
14:14:50 <sandro> kasei: I'll send you details and lets sort this out
Gregory Williams: I'll send you details and lets sort this out ←
14:14:54 <sandro> AndyS: okay.
Andy Seaborne: okay. ←
14:15:23 <chimezie> Zakim, unmute me
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14:15:32 <AxelPolleres> topic: update implementations
14:15:40 <sandro> axel: Entailment Regimes?
Axel Polleres: Entailment Regimes? ←
14:15:46 <sandro> chimezie: I don't have an update on that
Chimezie Ogbuji: I don't have an entailment on that ←
14:15:47 <AxelPolleres> s/update/entailment/
14:16:42 <AxelPolleres> sandro: mentioned this in SWCG meeting last week... Ian horrocks offered to ping potential implementers for DL regimes.
Sandro Hawke: mentioned this in SWCG meeting last week... Ian horrocks offered to ping potential implementers for DL regimes. [ Scribe Assist by Axel Polleres ] ←
14:16:59 <AxelPolleres> we should ping thre RIF mailinglist...
Axel Polleres: we should ping thre RIF mailinglist... ←
14:17:06 <sandro> action: sandro ping RIF folks on ER
ACTION: sandro ping RIF folks on ER ←
14:17:06 <trackbot> Created ACTION-669 - Ping RIF folks on ER [on Sandro Hawke - due 2012-08-21].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-669 - Ping RIF folks on ER [on Sandro Hawke - due 2012-08-21]. ←
14:17:17 <AxelPolleres> ACTION: sandro to ping RIF WG mailinglist on SPARQL/RIF implementations.
ACTION: sandro to ping RIF WG mailinglist on SPARQL/RIF implementations. ←
14:17:17 <trackbot> Created ACTION-670 - Ping RIF WG mailinglist on SPARQL/RIF implementations. [on Sandro Hawke - due 2012-08-21].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-670 - Ping RIF WG mailinglist on SPARQL/RIF implementations. [on Sandro Hawke - due 2012-08-21]. ←
14:17:31 <sandro> close aciton-5
close aciton-5 ←
14:17:38 <sandro> close action-5
14:17:38 <trackbot> ACTION-5 Add security issues to query by reference feature closed
Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-5 Add security issues to query by reference feature closed ←
14:17:43 <chimezie> Zakim, mute me
Chimezie Ogbuji: Zakim, mute me ←
14:17:43 <Zakim> chimezie should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: chimezie should now be muted ←
14:17:49 <AxelPolleres> topic: comments
14:17:53 <sandro> close action-669
close ACTION-669 ←
14:17:53 <trackbot> ACTION-669 Ping RIF folks on ER closed
Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-669 Ping RIF folks on ER closed ←
14:18:08 <sandro> axel: starting with older comments
Axel Polleres: starting with older comments ←
14:18:18 <AxelPolleres> comments http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/Comments
Axel Polleres: comments http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/Comments ←
14:18:35 <AxelPolleres> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2012JulSep/0114.html
Axel Polleres: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2012JulSep/0114.html ←
14:19:07 <sandro> James Leigh. Sandro wanted to look into that....
James Leigh. Sandro wanted to look into that.... ←
14:19:40 <sandro> axel: Old one from Jeremy Carroll, re graph protocol, URI to IRI
Axel Polleres: Old one from Jeremy Carroll, re graph protocol, URI to IRI ←
14:19:48 <chimezie> Zakim, unmute me
Chimezie Ogbuji: Zakim, unmute me ←
14:19:48 <Zakim> chimezie should no longer be muted
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14:19:50 <sandro> axel: Paragraph gone, outdated.
Axel Polleres: Paragraph gone, outdated. ←
14:19:59 <sandro> chimezie: I just need to ping Jeremy
Chimezie Ogbuji: I just need to ping Jeremy ←
14:20:24 <sandro> axel: kk-13
Axel Polleres: kk-13 ←
14:20:46 <sandro> axel: I think it's ready to send.
Axel Polleres: I think it's ready to send. ←
14:20:52 <sandro> chimezie: sent and ack'd.
Chimezie Ogbuji: sent and ack'd. ←
14:20:59 <sandro> chimezie: I just updated the wiki now.
Chimezie Ogbuji: I just updated the wiki now. ←
14:21:35 <chimezie> Zakim, mute me
Chimezie Ogbuji: Zakim, mute me ←
14:21:35 <Zakim> chimezie should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: chimezie should now be muted ←
14:21:52 <sandro> axel: Long response draft to Dave Becket, outdated, short one should do. I'll ping Steve
Axel Polleres: Long response draft to Dave Becket, outdated, short one should do. I'll ping Steve ←
14:22:34 <sandro> andy: that one is sent
Andy Seaborne: that one is sent ←
14:22:37 <sandro> axel: Ah right.
Axel Polleres: Ah right. ←
14:23:33 <sandro> axel: Comments on PP's from Nick Humphrey
Axel Polleres: Comments on PP's from Nick Humphrey ←
14:24:02 <sandro> axel: Inform reply from Andy, er, Steve, saying this can be done with Aggregrate.
Axel Polleres: Inform reply from Andy, er, Steve, saying this can be done with Aggregrate. ←
14:24:15 <sandro> andy: Expept it says not a formal response. :-)
Andy Seaborne: Expept it says not a formal response. :-) ←
14:24:32 <sandro> axel: I'll ping Nick on formal response status.
Axel Polleres: I'll ping Nick on formal response status. ←
14:24:57 <AxelPolleres> ACTION: axel to ping Nick on whether NH-5 needs a formal response
ACTION: axel to ping Nick on whether NH-5 needs a formal response ←
14:24:57 <trackbot> Created ACTION-671 - Ping Nick on whether NH-5 needs a formal response [on Axel Polleres - due 2012-08-21].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-671 - Ping Nick on whether NH-5 needs a formal response [on Axel Polleres - due 2012-08-21]. ←
14:25:00 <sandro> AndyS: He's just looking at PP syntax, not having read some bits elsewhere in the spec.
Andy Seaborne: He's just looking at PP syntax, not having read some bits elsewhere in the spec. ←
14:25:19 <sandro> AndyS: I'll do NH-4
Andy Seaborne: I'll do NH-4 ←
14:26:13 <sandro> axel: Some comments on client semantics. Maybe reply to them together
Axel Polleres: Some comments on client semantics. Maybe reply to them together ←
14:26:46 <AxelPolleres> BIND in combination with other graph patterns...
Axel Polleres: BIND in combination with other graph patterns... ←
14:26:47 <sandro> andy: I looked. They only consider part of the problem space. Their case always has bind next to something else, not a BGP. This needs some thought.
Andy Seaborne: I looked. They only consider part of the problem space. Their case always has bind next to something else, not a BGP. This needs some thought. ←
14:27:13 <AxelPolleres> looks like these queries need a subselect.
Axel Polleres: looks like these queries need a subselect. ←
14:27:19 <sandro> andy: Perhaps a different form of query, using a subselect, would help.
Andy Seaborne: Perhaps a different form of query, using a subselect, would help. ←
14:27:44 <sandro> axel: Do we need to change something?
Axel Polleres: Do we need to change something? ←
14:28:39 <sandro> andy: Holger's point could maybe be seen one way, Jeremy's made things a little more contrained.
Andy Seaborne: Holger's point could maybe be seen one way, Jeremy's made things a little more contrained. ←
14:31:20 <AxelPolleres> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg-comments/2012Aug/0011.html
Axel Polleres: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg-comments/2012Aug/0011.html ←
14:31:39 <sandro> axel: implies std behavior of default graph, which isnt how it works, I think
Axel Polleres: implies std behavior of default graph, which isnt how it works, I think ←
14:32:15 <sandro> axel: I'll try to find out what he wants
Axel Polleres: I'll try to find out what he wants ←
14:32:27 <sandro> andy: lets consider it as a couple of different parts
Andy Seaborne: lets consider it as a couple of different parts ←
14:33:11 <sandro> andy: First part usual approach would be not using the word graph. FROM DEFAULT, FROM <...> . In the past we've said if you want that, put your dg in with a name, too.
Andy Seaborne: First part usual approach would be not using the word graph. FROM DEFAULT, FROM <...> . In the past we've said if you want that, put your dg in with a name, too. ←
14:33:52 <sandro> andy: It's not a perfect solution, true
Andy Seaborne: It's not a perfect solution, true ←
14:34:23 <sandro> andy: If you're using multipl FROMs you're asking for a kind of merge. You can use GRAPH for that, although it's not pretty.
Andy Seaborne: If you're using multipl FROMs you're asking for a kind of merge. You can use GRAPH for that, although it's not pretty. ←
14:34:50 <AxelPolleres> you can use GRAPH for that, all above that would be Composite_Dataset (cf. posponed features)?
Axel Polleres: you can use GRAPH for that, all above that would be Composite_Dataset (cf. posponed features)? ←
14:35:14 <sandro> AndyS: Greg, does your system offer a choice about what the dg is?
Andy Seaborne: Greg, does your system offer a choice about what the dg is? ←
14:35:29 <sandro> kasei: No, I've never offered a union default
Gregory Williams: No, I've never offered a union default ←
14:35:47 <sandro> AndyS: Last thing - year Compisite_Dataset feature. I don't think it's trivial.
Andy Seaborne: Last thing - year Compisite_Dataset feature. I don't think it's trivial. ←
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