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13:53:05 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see SW_(SPARQL)10:00AM scheduled to start in 7 minutes
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13:53:06 <trackbot> Meeting: SPARQL Working Group Teleconference
13:53:06 <trackbot> Date: 15 May 2012
13:53:06 <trackbot> Date: 15 May 2012
13:53:16 <AxelPolleres> agenda: http://www.w3.org//wiki/Agenda-2012-05-15
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13:58:51 <Zakim> +??P4
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13:58:58 <AndyS> zakim, ??P4 is me
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13:58:58 <Zakim> +AndyS; got it
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13:59:27 <Zakim> +kasei
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13:59:42 <Zakim> +pgearon
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13:59:51 <Zakim> + +49.897.aaaa
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14:00:07 <AxelPolleres> Zakim, aaaa is probably me
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14:00:07 <Zakim> +AxelPolleres?; got it
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14:00:21 <AxelPolleres> Zakim, who is on the phone?
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14:00:21 <Zakim> On the phone I see AndyS, kasei, pgearon, AxelPolleres?
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14:00:51 <Zakim> + +1.603.897.aabb
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14:00:54 <AxelPolleres> regrets: carlos
14:00:58 <Zakim> +??P10
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14:01:03 <MattPerry> zakim, aabb is me
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14:01:03 <Zakim> +MattPerry; got it
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14:01:04 <AxelPolleres> chair: axel
14:01:05 <swh> Zakim, ??P10 is me
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14:01:05 <Zakim> +swh; got it
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14:01:30 <AxelPolleres> Zakim, who is on the phone?
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14:01:30 <Zakim> On the phone I see AndyS, kasei, pgearon, AxelPolleres?, MattPerry, swh
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14:01:50 <Zakim> + +33.4.92.38.aacc
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14:02:27 <AxelPolleres> Zakim, who is on the phone?
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14:02:27 <Zakim> On the phone I see AndyS, kasei, pgearon, AxelPolleres?, MattPerry, swh, +33.4.92.38.aacc
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14:02:30 <Zakim> +Lee_Feigenbaum
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14:03:07 <LeeF> zakim, aacc is Olivier
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14:03:07 <Zakim> +Olivier; got it
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14:04:26 <AxelPolleres> scribe: Lee
(Scribe set to Lee Feigenbaum)
14:04:29 <LeeF> scribenick: LeeF
14:04:33 <AxelPolleres> topic:admin
14:04:34 <LeeF> topic: Admin
14:04:55 <AxelPolleres> PROPOSED: approve minutes from last TC http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/meeting/2012-05-08
PROPOSED: approve minutes from last TC http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/meeting/2012-05-08 ←
14:05:26 <AxelPolleres> RESOLVED: approve minutes from last TC http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/meeting/2012-05-08
RESOLVED: approve minutes from last TC http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/meeting/2012-05-08 ←
14:06:03 <LeeF> axelpolleres: next telecon is next week, normal time
Axel Polleres: next telecon is next week, normal time ←
14:06:09 <LeeF> ... any news from RDF WG?
... any news from RDF WG? ←
14:06:21 <LeeF> AndyS: XML literals are going to be made regular literals and handled like any other
Andy Seaborne: XML literals are going to be made regular literals and handled like any other ←
14:06:31 <LeeF> ... rather than being hardwired into RDF specs & parsing process
... rather than being hardwired into RDF specs & parsing process ←
14:06:50 <LeeF> ... there may also be an HTML5 literal
... there may also be an HTML5 literal ←
14:07:06 <LeeF> ... effect on SPARQL engine is that there's a set of datatypes that people may choose to implement, but no expectation
... effect on SPARQL engine is that there's a set of datatypes that people may choose to implement, but no expectation ←
14:08:06 <AxelPolleres> TOPIC: Re-Approve PP test cases
14:08:21 <AxelPolleres> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2012AprJun/0118.html
Axel Polleres: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2012AprJun/0118.html ←
14:08:32 <AxelPolleres> CLOSE ACTION-616
Axel Polleres: CLOSE ACTION-616 ←
14:08:33 <trackbot> ACTION-616 Send a list of affected and unapproved PP test cases to the mailing list (to be approved after new PP design has been approved) closed
Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-616 Send a list of affected and unapproved PP test cases to the mailing list (to be approved after new PP design has been approved) closed ←
14:09:33 <kasei> I pass them all as well
Gregory Williams: I pass them all as well ←
14:09:36 <LeeF> AxelPolleres: we have 5 changed cases and 2 new ones
Axel Polleres: we have 5 changed cases and 2 new ones ←
14:09:40 <LeeF> ... andy passes them
... andy passes them ←
14:09:41 <LeeF> ... anyone else?
... anyone else? ←
14:09:46 <LeeF> Olivier: they look ok to me
Olivier Corby: they look ok to me ←
14:10:10 <AxelPolleres> PROPOSED: approve modified/new testcases as per http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2012AprJun/0118.html
PROPOSED: approve modified/new testcases as per http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2012AprJun/0118.html ←
14:10:21 <LeeF> +1
+1 ←
14:10:25 <AxelPolleres> +1
Axel Polleres: +1 ←
14:10:33 <MattPerry> +1
Matthew Perry: +1 ←
14:10:35 <swh> 0 - not even looked at them
Steve Harris: 0 - not even looked at them ←
14:10:44 <pgearon> +1
Paula Gearon: +1 ←
14:11:07 <AxelPolleres> RESOLVED: approve modified/new testcases as per http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2012AprJun/0118.html
RESOLVED: approve modified/new testcases as per http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2012AprJun/0118.html ←
14:11:25 <AxelPolleres> topic: Discuss Options for BINDINGS and VALUES
14:11:36 <kasei> I can change the manifest.
Gregory Williams: I can change the manifest. ←
14:11:54 <AxelPolleres> ACTION: greg to approve PP test cases as per resolution
ACTION: greg to approve PP test cases as per resolution ←
14:11:54 <trackbot> Created ACTION-619 - Approve PP test cases as per resolution [on Gregory Williams - due 2012-05-22].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-619 - Approve PP test cases as per resolution [on Gregory Williams - due 2012-05-22]. ←
14:12:16 <AxelPolleres> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2012AprJun/0126.html
Axel Polleres: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2012AprJun/0126.html ←
14:12:43 <LeeF> AndyS: if we're doing VALUES inside graph patterns, what do we do with BINDINGS, at the end of a query?
Andy Seaborne: if we're doing VALUES inside graph patterns, what do we do with BINDINGS, at the end of a query? ←
14:13:59 <LeeF> ... three options are:
... three options are: ←
14:14:04 <LeeF> ... 1/ Remove BINDINGS, and allow VALUES at that same syntax point.
... 1/ Remove BINDINGS, and allow VALUES at that same syntax point. ←
14:14:04 <LeeF> 2/ Allow both forms, keeping BINDINGS as a legacy way of saying what can
2/ Allow both forms, keeping BINDINGS as a legacy way of saying what can ←
14:14:04 <LeeF> be said with VALUES.
be said with VALUES. ←
14:14:04 <LeeF> 3/ Keep BINDINGS, not allow VALUES at this point.
3/ Keep BINDINGS, not allow VALUES at this point. ←
14:14:16 <AxelPolleres> q?
Axel Polleres: q? ←
14:15:03 <AxelPolleres> Lee: motivation to have BINDINGS in the end was to process BINDINGS as they come in in the end of the query.
Lee Feigenbaum: motivation to have BINDINGS in the end was to process BINDINGS as they come in in the end of the query. [ Scribe Assist by Axel Polleres ] ←
14:15:13 <LeeF> LeeF: would option 1 still allow VALUES at the end of the query to be able to stream in the bindings?
Lee Feigenbaum: would option 1 still allow VALUES at the end of the query to be able to stream in the bindings? ←
14:15:15 <LeeF> AndyS: yes
Andy Seaborne: yes ←
14:15:56 <LeeF> AxelPolleres: we're going with VALUES instead of BINDINGS because of the confusion with BIND... is there any other concern?
Axel Polleres: we're going with VALUES instead of BINDINGS because of the confusion with BIND... is there any other concern? ←
14:16:05 <LeeF> ... why not allow it inline but just use BINDINGS everywhere?
... why not allow it inline but just use BINDINGS everywhere? ←
14:17:55 <kasei> q+
Gregory Williams: q+ ←
14:17:58 <LeeF> AndyS: #3 these aren't bindings, bind affects single bindings within a row, values is multiple rows
Andy Seaborne: #3 these aren't bindings, bind affects single bindings within a row, values is multiple rows ←
14:18:05 <AxelPolleres> ack kasei
Axel Polleres: ack kasei ←
14:18:21 <LeeF> kasei: is option 1 purely a syntactical change to what we already have?
Gregory Williams: is option 1 purely a syntactical change to what we already have? ←
14:19:01 <LeeF> AndyS: it happens over the pattern part but before the select/construct/etc.
Andy Seaborne: it happens over the pattern part but before the select/construct/etc. ←
14:19:04 <LeeF> kasei: so just a parser change?
Gregory Williams: so just a parser change? ←
14:19:06 <LeeF> AndyS: yes
Andy Seaborne: yes ←
14:19:10 <AxelPolleres> q?
Axel Polleres: q? ←
14:19:24 <AxelPolleres> Strawpoll on options 1-3
Axel Polleres: Strawpoll on options 1-3 ←
14:19:28 <AndyS> Opt 1
Andy Seaborne: Opt 1 ←
14:19:31 <kasei> 1
14:19:33 <AxelPolleres> 1
Axel Polleres: 1 ←
14:19:39 <MattPerry> 1
Matthew Perry: 1 ←
14:19:45 <pgearon> 1
Paula Gearon: 1 ←
14:19:53 <LeeF> (no preference)
(no preference) ←
14:19:56 <AxelPolleres> Zakim, who is on the phone?
Axel Polleres: Zakim, who is on the phone? ←
14:19:56 <Zakim> On the phone I see AndyS, kasei, pgearon, AxelPolleres?, MattPerry, swh, Olivier, Lee_Feigenbaum
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see AndyS, kasei, pgearon, AxelPolleres?, MattPerry, swh, Olivier, Lee_Feigenbaum ←
14:21:12 <AxelPolleres> q?
Axel Polleres: q? ←
14:23:26 <AxelPolleres> Axel: why again did we need NIL in the grammar?
Axel Polleres: why again did we need NIL in the grammar? [ Scribe Assist by Axel Polleres ] ←
14:23:42 <AxelPolleres> Andy: tokenizer needs it
Andy Seaborne: tokenizer needs it [ Scribe Assist by Axel Polleres ] ←
14:24:05 <AxelPolleres> topic: continue ACTION review
14:24:46 <LeeF> AxelPolleres: consensus around Andy's option 1, the editor will implement this
Axel Polleres: consensus around Andy's option 1, the editor will implement this ←
14:24:49 <LeeF> AndyS: it's already implemented
Andy Seaborne: it's already implemented ←
14:25:02 <AxelPolleres> http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/track/actions/open
Axel Polleres: http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/track/actions/open ←
14:25:47 <LeeF> ACTION-604?
14:25:47 <trackbot> ACTION-604 -- Lee Feigenbaum to add the counting/noncounting operators and distinct partial paths to future work list -- due 2012-03-27 -- OPEN
Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-604 -- Lee Feigenbaum to add the counting/noncounting operators and distinct partial paths to future work list -- due 2012-03-27 -- OPEN ←
14:25:47 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/track/actions/604
Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/track/actions/604 ←
14:26:28 <AxelPolleres> close ACTION-606
Axel Polleres: close ACTION-606 ←
14:26:28 <trackbot> ACTION-606 Update grammar to allow colons in local names closed
Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-606 Update grammar to allow colons in local names closed ←
14:27:04 <Zakim> + +1.781.899.aadd
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14:27:05 <sandro> (sorry I'm late)
Sandro Hawke: (sorry I'm late) ←
14:27:05 <LeeF> close ACTION-604
close ACTION-604 ←
14:27:05 <trackbot> ACTION-604 Add the counting/noncounting operators and distinct partial paths to future work list closed
Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-604 Add the counting/noncounting operators and distinct partial paths to future work list closed ←
14:27:10 <LeeF> close ACTION-606
close ACTION-606 ←
14:27:10 <trackbot> ACTION-606 Update grammar to allow colons in local names closed
Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-606 Update grammar to allow colons in local names closed ←
14:27:42 <LeeF> ACTION-608?
14:27:42 <trackbot> ACTION-608 -- Lee Feigenbaum to draft joint official reply -- due 2012-04-17 -- OPEN
Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-608 -- Lee Feigenbaum to draft joint official reply -- due 2012-04-17 -- OPEN ←
14:27:42 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/track/actions/608
Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/track/actions/608 ←
14:27:43 <AxelPolleres> close ACTION-608
Axel Polleres: close ACTION-608 ←
14:27:43 <trackbot> ACTION-608 Draft joint official reply closed
Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-608 Draft joint official reply closed ←
14:28:42 <AxelPolleres> close ACTION-609
Axel Polleres: close ACTION-609 ←
14:28:42 <trackbot> ACTION-609 Put a visible box near the top of http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/tests/README.html to highlight what's out of date and where else folks should look for now. closed
Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-609 Put a visible box near the top of http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/tests/README.html to highlight what's out of date and where else folks should look for now. closed ←
14:31:07 <LeeF> ACTION-610?
14:31:07 <trackbot> ACTION-610 -- Sandro Hawke to make the discussed changes (XML Results Format) -- due 2012-05-01 -- OPEN
Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-610 -- Sandro Hawke to make the discussed changes (XML Results Format) -- due 2012-05-01 -- OPEN ←
14:31:07 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/track/actions/610
Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/track/actions/610 ←
14:31:10 <LeeF> ACTION-611?
14:31:10 <trackbot> ACTION-611 -- Birte Glimm to make sure Sandro made the changes correctly -- due 2012-05-01 -- OPEN
Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-611 -- Birte Glimm to make sure Sandro made the changes correctly -- due 2012-05-01 -- OPEN ←
14:31:10 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/track/actions/611
Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/track/actions/611 ←
14:31:21 <AndyS> Ptr to changes to XML results format?
Andy Seaborne: Ptr to changes to XML results format? ←
14:31:35 <sandro> action-617?
14:31:35 <trackbot> ACTION-617 -- Sandro Hawke to prepare a 2nd edition/edited recommendation for XMLres to be published along with the next LC round. -- due 2012-05-15 -- OPEN
Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-617 -- Sandro Hawke to prepare a 2nd edition/edited recommendation for XMLres to be published along with the next LC round. -- due 2012-05-15 -- OPEN ←
14:31:35 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/track/actions/617
Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/track/actions/617 ←
14:31:50 <LeeF> close ACTION-610
close ACTION-610 ←
14:31:50 <trackbot> ACTION-610 Make the discussed changes (XML Results Format) closed
Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-610 Make the discussed changes (XML Results Format) closed ←
14:31:53 <AxelPolleres> close ACTION-610
Axel Polleres: close ACTION-610 ←
14:31:53 <trackbot> ACTION-610 Make the discussed changes (XML Results Format) closed
Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-610 Make the discussed changes (XML Results Format) closed ←
14:31:58 <AxelPolleres> close ACTION-611
Axel Polleres: close ACTION-611 ←
14:31:59 <trackbot> ACTION-611 Make sure Sandro made the changes correctly closed
Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-611 Make sure Sandro made the changes correctly closed ←
14:32:04 <LeeF> ACTION-612?
14:32:04 <trackbot> ACTION-612 -- Gregory Williams to check in his version of XML Errata, with [PROPOSED] on each one -- due 2012-05-01 -- OPEN
Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-612 -- Gregory Williams to check in his version of XML Errata, with [PROPOSED] on each one -- due 2012-05-01 -- OPEN ←
14:32:04 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/track/actions/612
Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/track/actions/612 ←
14:32:13 <AxelPolleres> close ACTION-612
Axel Polleres: close ACTION-612 ←
14:32:13 <trackbot> ACTION-612 Check in his version of XML Errata, with [PROPOSED] on each one closed
Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-612 Check in his version of XML Errata, with [PROPOSED] on each one closed ←
14:32:41 <AxelPolleres> close ACTION-614
Axel Polleres: close ACTION-614 ←
14:32:41 <trackbot> ACTION-614 Write up the different design options on BINDINGS/VALUES to the mailing list for voting closed
Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-614 Write up the different design options on BINDINGS/VALUES to the mailing list for voting closed ←
14:33:04 <AndyS> Ptr to changes to XML results format?
Andy Seaborne: Ptr to changes to XML results format? ←
14:33:22 <LeeF> ACTION-616?
14:33:22 <trackbot> ACTION-616 -- Gregory Williams to send a list of affected and unapproved PP test cases to the mailing list (to be approved after new PP design has been approved) -- due 2012-05-15 -- CLOSED
Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-616 -- Gregory Williams to send a list of affected and unapproved PP test cases to the mailing list (to be approved after new PP design has been approved) -- due 2012-05-15 -- CLOSED ←
14:33:22 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/track/actions/616
Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/track/actions/616 ←
14:33:26 <LeeF> ACTION-617?
14:33:26 <trackbot> ACTION-617 -- Sandro Hawke to prepare a 2nd edition/edited recommendation for XMLres to be published along with the next LC round. -- due 2012-05-15 -- OPEN
Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-617 -- Sandro Hawke to prepare a 2nd edition/edited recommendation for XMLres to be published along with the next LC round. -- due 2012-05-15 -- OPEN ←
14:33:26 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/track/actions/617
Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/track/actions/617 ←
14:33:51 <LeeF> AxelPolleres: We need to edit the federated query doc to reflect the change from BINDINGS to VALUES
Axel Polleres: We need to edit the federated query doc to reflect the change from BINDINGS to VALUES ←
14:34:12 <LeeF> ... this is an informative section
... this is an informative section ←
14:34:47 <AxelPolleres> ACTION: Axel to contact carlos to implement change from BINDINGS to VALUES in Fed-query for PR
ACTION: Axel to contact carlos to implement change from BINDINGS to VALUES in Fed-query for PR ←
14:34:47 <trackbot> Created ACTION-620 - Contact carlos to implement change from BINDINGS to VALUES in Fed-query for PR [on Axel Polleres - due 2012-05-22].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-620 - Contact carlos to implement change from BINDINGS to VALUES in Fed-query for PR [on Axel Polleres - due 2012-05-22]. ←
14:35:15 <LeeF> topic: Comments
14:35:27 <AxelPolleres> http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/Comments
Axel Polleres: http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/Comments ←
14:36:57 <LeeF> AxelPolleres: comment on duplicate syntax tests from Dave Beckett
Axel Polleres: comment on duplicate syntax tests from Dave Beckett ←
14:37:14 <LeeF> kasei: I can handle it
Gregory Williams: I can handle it ←
14:37:24 <LeeF> ... to remove the duplicate entry
... to remove the duplicate entry ←
14:38:46 <LeeF> AxelPolleres: one comment from manuelso
Axel Polleres: one comment from manuelso ←
14:39:04 <LeeF> LeeF: it's not actually sparql protocol, it's graph store protocol
Lee Feigenbaum: it's not actually sparql protocol, it's graph store protocol ←
14:40:32 <LeeF> kasei: i have a comment on JL-3
Gregory Williams: i have a comment on JL-3 ←
14:40:53 <LeeF> ... no one realized early enough that GSP was going to need SD support to be viable
... no one realized early enough that GSP was going to need SD support to be viable ←
14:41:22 <LeeF> ... this is a big issue for a lot of people, but we missed the window to support GSP in SD
... this is a big issue for a lot of people, but we missed the window to support GSP in SD ←
14:41:33 <LeeF> ... SD was designed just for query/update via SPARQL protocol
... SD was designed just for query/update via SPARQL protocol ←
14:42:01 <LeeF> ... i've heard various bits of feedback including privately
... i've heard various bits of feedback including privately ←
14:42:17 <LeeF> ... underlying issue is that for the GSP to be useful, it needs to return something that looks like a service description
... underlying issue is that for the GSP to be useful, it needs to return something that looks like a service description ←
14:42:38 <LeeF> ... otherwise it's a very un-REST-ful protocol, because so many requirements are tied up in the prose of the spec and are not discoverable
... otherwise it's a very un-REST-ful protocol, because so many requirements are tied up in the prose of the spec and are not discoverable ←
14:42:44 <LeeF> ... e.g. how to identify the default graph
... e.g. how to identify the default graph ←
14:43:25 <LeeF> sandro: i think that the current design is a terrible mistake and makes the GSP largely unusable in its current form
Sandro Hawke: i think that the current design is a terrible mistake and makes the GSP largely unusable in its current form ←
14:43:34 <LeeF> ... but didn't see any way to fix it in our current scope
... but didn't see any way to fix it in our current scope ←
14:43:41 <LeeF> AxelPolleres: future items list?
Axel Polleres: future items list? ←
14:43:55 <LeeF> sandro: i think the linked data platform group will change this landscape completely
Sandro Hawke: i think the linked data platform group will change this landscape completely ←
14:44:04 <LeeF> kasei: but is publishing what we have a disservice to others doing future work?
Gregory Williams: but is publishing what we have a disservice to others doing future work? ←
14:44:22 <LeeF> AndyS: the comment is asking for changes to SD to reflect the GSP?
Andy Seaborne: the comment is asking for changes to SD to reflect the GSP? ←
14:44:28 <LeeF> kasei: it's asking for changes on both sides
Gregory Williams: it's asking for changes on both sides ←
14:44:35 <LeeF> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg-comments/2012May/0009.html
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg-comments/2012May/0009.html ←
14:44:56 <LeeF> sandro: i agree there's a problem, but not with the proposed solution
Sandro Hawke: i agree there's a problem, but not with the proposed solution ←
14:45:05 <LeeF> ... i think GSP should be self-contained and not need SD to work
... i think GSP should be self-contained and not need SD to work ←
14:45:27 <LeeF> ... (for historical perspective)
... (for historical perspective) ←
14:46:15 <LeeF> kasei: chimezie has historically argued for something like this in using SD to describe GSP
Gregory Williams: chimezie has historically argued for something like this in using SD to describe GSP ←
14:46:31 <LeeF> ... but SD was not designed for that, and so the example from JL-3 conflates a SPARQL Protocol service with a GSP service
... but SD was not designed for that, and so the example from JL-3 conflates a SPARQL Protocol service with a GSP service ←
14:46:40 <LeeF> ... this would play out that every implementation would need to implement both of those
... this would play out that every implementation would need to implement both of those ←
14:46:49 <LeeF> ... i think we're past the point where we can sweep the GSP into what's supported by the SD
... i think we're past the point where we can sweep the GSP into what's supported by the SD ←
14:47:04 <LeeF> sandro: i think that may overstate the case, but we should discuss this with Chimezie
Sandro Hawke: i think that may overstate the case, but we should discuss this with Chimezie ←
14:47:15 <AxelPolleres> probably put it on next time's agenda separately, when chime is hopefully around.
Axel Polleres: probably put it on next time's agenda separately, when chime is hopefully around. ←
14:47:48 <AxelPolleres> ACTION: Axel to contact Chime on when to talk about JL-3
ACTION: Axel to contact Chime on when to talk about JL-3 ←
14:47:48 <trackbot> Created ACTION-621 - Contact Chime on when to talk about JL-3 [on Axel Polleres - due 2012-05-22].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-621 - Contact Chime on when to talk about JL-3 [on Axel Polleres - due 2012-05-22]. ←
14:51:06 <AndyS> Remaining on rq25 (1) STRBEFORE (swh) ; (2) scoping ; (3) grammar bug on PP to fix (for nested objects -- old bug only partially fixed awhile ago) (4) comments [2 areas currently, 3 are all VALUES, 1 is Turtle syntax integration]
Andy Seaborne: Remaining on rq25 (1) STRBEFORE (swh) ; (2) scoping ; (3) grammar bug on PP to fix (for nested objects -- old bug only partially fixed awhile ago) (4) comments [2 areas currently, 3 are all VALUES, 1 is Turtle syntax integration] ←
14:53:45 <AxelPolleres> fed-query and entailment at least need reports on implementations, fed query needs the fix on s/BINDINGS/VALUES/
Axel Polleres: fed-query and entailment at least need reports on implementations, fed query needs the fix on s/BINDINGS/VALUES/ ←
14:55:15 <AxelPolleres> paul ... update, another comment from DB, which I am happy yo implement, the other things I think are all recorded in ACTIONs
Axel Polleres: paul ... update, another comment from DB, which I am happy yo implement, the other things I think are all recorded in ACTIONs ←
14:56:39 <AxelPolleres> ACTION: Axel to set up a page to_PR on the wiki
ACTION: Axel to set up a page to_PR on the wiki ←
14:56:40 <trackbot> Created ACTION-622 - Set up a page to_PR on the wiki [on Axel Polleres - due 2012-05-22].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-622 - Set up a page to_PR on the wiki [on Axel Polleres - due 2012-05-22]. ←
14:57:06 <AxelPolleres> protocol?
Axel Polleres: protocol? ←
14:57:29 <kasei> for protocol, how to test it.
Gregory Williams: for protocol, how to test it. ←
14:57:44 <AxelPolleres> tests and implementations
Axel Polleres: tests and implementations ←
14:58:03 <AxelPolleres> service description
Axel Polleres: service description ←
14:58:29 <AxelPolleres> only open issues only on if graph storee issues would affect SD
Axel Polleres: only open issues only on if graph storee issues would affect SD ←
15:00:04 <AxelPolleres> adjourned
Axel Polleres: adjourned ←
15:00:06 <Zakim> -Sandro
Zakim IRC Bot: -Sandro ←
15:00:07 <Zakim> -swh
Zakim IRC Bot: -swh ←
15:00:08 <Zakim> -Olivier
Zakim IRC Bot: -Olivier ←
15:00:10 <Zakim> -MattPerry
Zakim IRC Bot: -MattPerry ←
15:00:13 <Zakim> -AndyS
Zakim IRC Bot: -AndyS ←
15:00:15 <Zakim> -pgearon
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15:00:19 <Zakim> -Lee_Feigenbaum
Zakim IRC Bot: -Lee_Feigenbaum ←
15:00:25 <AxelPolleres> rrsagent, make records public
Axel Polleres: rrsagent, make records public ←
15:00:25 <RRSAgent> I have made the request, AxelPolleres
RRSAgent IRC Bot: I have made the request, AxelPolleres ←
15:00:35 <Zakim> -kasei
Zakim IRC Bot: -kasei ←
15:07:44 <kasei> Zakim, who is on the phone?
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Gregory Williams: Zakim, who is on the phone? ←
15:07:44 <Zakim> On the phone I see AxelPolleres?
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see AxelPolleres? ←
15:12:03 <swh> kasei, what's wrong with LOAD <foo> INTO <foo> ?
Steve Harris: kasei, what's wrong with LOAD <foo> INTO <foo> ? ←
15:12:12 <kasei> nothing. it's just wordy :)
Gregory Williams: nothing. it's just wordy :) ←
15:12:31 <kasei> (assuming the url is actually longer than 3 bytes)
Gregory Williams: (assuming the url is actually longer than 3 bytes) ←
15:12:35 <swh> pfft, we've got enough suga�r as it is :)
Steve Harris: pfft, we've got enough suga�r as it is :) ←
15:12:40 <kasei> heh
Gregory Williams: heh ←
15:13:15 <swh> it's not like humans ever write queries anyway :) only for testing and debugging
Steve Harris: it's not like humans ever write queries anyway :) only for testing and debugging ←
15:13:43 <pgearon> how about a variant that lets you select the destination graph based on the results of a query? :-)
Paula Gearon: how about a variant that lets you select the destination graph based on the results of a query? :-) ←
15:13:45 <kasei> yeah, yeah.
Gregory Williams: yeah, yeah. ←
15:14:17 <kasei> yes. what sparql needs is a JMP operation!
Gregory Williams: yes. what sparql needs is a JMP operation! ←
15:15:17 <pgearon> with variables that can be set to JMP locations
Paula Gearon: with variables that can be set to JMP locations ←
15:15:30 <kasei> exactly
Gregory Williams: exactly ←
15:15:33 <kasei> I think we're onto something here.
Gregory Williams: I think we're onto something here. ←
15:15:42 <pgearon> stack that up properly and we can implement setjmp and longjmp
Paula Gearon: stack that up properly and we can implement setjmp and longjmp ←
15:15:47 <kasei> maybe macros, too.
Gregory Williams: maybe macros, too. ←
15:17:28 <kasei> I suppose as long as we got _asm() in there, all the rest would naturally follow :D
Gregory Williams: I suppose as long as we got _asm() in there, all the rest would naturally follow :D ←
15:35:01 <Zakim> disconnecting the lone participant, AxelPolleres?, in SW_(SPARQL)10:00AM
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Zakim IRC Bot: disconnecting the lone participant, AxelPolleres?, in SW_(SPARQL)10:00AM ←
15:35:03 <Zakim> SW_(SPARQL)10:00AM has ended
Zakim IRC Bot: SW_(SPARQL)10:00AM has ended ←
15:35:03 <Zakim> Attendees were AndyS, kasei, pgearon, +49.897.aaaa, AxelPolleres?, +1.603.897.aabb, MattPerry, swh, +33.4.92.38.aacc, Lee_Feigenbaum, Olivier, +1.781.899.aadd, Sandro
Zakim IRC Bot: Attendees were AndyS, kasei, pgearon, +49.897.aaaa, AxelPolleres?, +1.603.897.aabb, MattPerry, swh, +33.4.92.38.aacc, Lee_Feigenbaum, Olivier, +1.781.899.aadd, Sandro ←
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