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14:50:52 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be 77277
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14:50:52 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see SW_(SPARQL)10:00AM scheduled to start in 10 minutes
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14:50:53 <trackbot> Meeting: SPARQL Working Group Teleconference
14:50:53 <trackbot> Date: 28 February 2012
14:50:59 <AxelPolleres> Agenda: http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/Agenda-2012-02-28
14:51:06 <AxelPolleres> chair: Axel Polleres
14:51:16 <AxelPolleres> we need a scribe... any volunteers?
Axel Polleres: we need a scribe... any volunteers? ←
14:54:26 <AxelPolleres> scribelist points (from those not having sent regrets) to sandro, chime
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14:59:17 <Zakim> SW_(SPARQL)10:00AM has now started
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14:59:19 <Zakim> +Sandro
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14:59:52 <Zakim> +kasei
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14:59:54 <sandro> scribe: sandro
(Scribe set to Sandro Hawke)
15:00:09 <Zakim> +MattPerry
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15:02:09 <AxelPolleres> Zakim, who is on the phone?
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15:02:32 <Zakim> On the phone I see Sandro, AxelPolleres, kasei, MattPerry
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15:02:38 <chimezie> Zakim, what is the passcode?
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15:02:51 <Zakim> +pgearon
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15:02:54 <AxelPolleres> Zakim, AxelPolleres is me
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15:03:08 <Zakim> the conference code is 77277 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), chimezie
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15:03:20 <Zakim> +??P19
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15:03:24 <Zakim> +AxelPolleres; got it
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15:03:24 <AndyS> zakim, P19 is me
Andy Seaborne: zakim, P19 is me ←
15:03:28 <bglimm> Zakim, ??P19 is me
Birte Glimm: Zakim, ??P19 is me ←
15:03:41 <bglimm> Zakim, mute me
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15:03:49 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
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15:03:52 <chimezie> Zakim, who is on the phone?
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15:03:56 <Zakim> sorry, AndyS, I do not recognize a party named 'P19'
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15:03:57 <AndyS> zakim, IPCaller is me
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15:04:01 <Zakim> +chimezie
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15:04:02 <AxelPolleres> sandro and greg talking about the SD validator URL while others join the call
Axel Polleres: sandro and greg talking about the SD validator URL while others join the call ←
15:04:03 <Zakim> +bglimm; got it
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15:04:07 <chimezie> Zakim, mute me
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15:04:22 <Zakim> bglimm should now be muted
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15:04:29 <AxelPolleres> zakim, who is on the phone?
Axel Polleres: zakim, who is on the phone? ←
15:04:32 <Zakim> On the phone I see Sandro, AxelPolleres, kasei, MattPerry, pgearon, bglimm (muted), [IPcaller], chimezie
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15:04:39 <Zakim> +AndyS; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +AndyS; got it ←
15:04:42 <sandro> kasei, http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/sdvalidator seems to be basically working. I can adjust proxy settings as needed.
kasei, http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/sdvalidator seems to be basically working. I can adjust proxy settings as needed. ←
15:04:48 <Zakim> chimezie should now be muted
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15:04:51 <AxelPolleres> topic: admin
15:05:08 <AxelPolleres> PROPOSED: Approve minutes at http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/meeting/2012-02-21
PROPOSED: Approve minutes at http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/meeting/2012-02-21 ←
15:05:12 <Zakim> On the phone I see Sandro, AxelPolleres, kasei, MattPerry, pgearon, bglimm (muted), AndyS, chimezie (muted)
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see Sandro, AxelPolleres, kasei, MattPerry, pgearon, bglimm (muted), AndyS, chimezie (muted) ←
15:05:37 <AxelPolleres> RESOLVED: Approve minutes at http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/meeting/2012-02-21
RESOLVED: Approve minutes at http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/meeting/2012-02-21 ←
15:06:27 <AxelPolleres> Next regular meeting: 2012-03-06 @ 15:00 UK / 10:00 EST (scribe: cf. scribe_list)
Axel Polleres: Next regular meeting: 2012-03-06 @ 15:00 UK / 10:00 EST (scribe: cf. scribe_list) ←
15:06:51 <chimezie> Zakim, unmute me
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15:06:51 <Zakim> chimezie should no longer be muted
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15:07:09 <chimezie> Zakim, mute me
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15:07:09 <Zakim> chimezie should now be muted
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15:07:10 <AxelPolleres> next week's scribe: chime
Axel Polleres: next week's scribe: chime ←
15:07:37 <AxelPolleres> RDF Liaison... nothing new
Axel Polleres: RDF Liaison... nothing new ←
15:08:22 <AxelPolleres> topic: group schedule
15:08:24 <AxelPolleres> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2012JanMar/0203.html
Axel Polleres: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2012JanMar/0203.html ←
15:10:52 <sandro> (axel talking through that schedule)
(axel talking through that schedule) ←
15:12:00 <AxelPolleres> q?
Axel Polleres: q? ←
15:12:14 <bglimm> Zakim, unmute me
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<sandro> subtopic: Graph Store Protocol
15:12:37 <AxelPolleres> GSP ready for approval from the reviewers.
Axel Polleres: GSP ready for approval from the reviewers. ←
15:12:37 <bglimm> Zakim, mute me
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15:12:53 <sandro> sandro: Except for possible issue from Greg, I think we're ready to vote for GSP LC at any time
Sandro Hawke: Except for possible issue from Greg, I think we're ready to vote for GSP LC at any time ←
15:13:50 <sandro> greg: I'd appreciate another set of eyes on my point there
Gregory Williams: I'd appreciate another set of eyes on my point there ←
15:14:00 <AndyS> Let's resolve to publish.
Andy Seaborne: Let's resolve to publish. ←
15:14:08 <sandro> sandro: I'm inclined to agree with Greg, but I think this is editorial
Sandro Hawke: I'm inclined to agree with Greg, but I think this is editorial ←
15:14:38 <sandro> we're talking about https://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/http-rdf-update/
we're talking about https://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/http-rdf-update/ ←
15:15:09 <sandro> Revision 1.85 2012/02/28 07:30:14 cogbuji SPARQL 1.1 Graph Store HTTP Protocol
Revision 1.85 2012/02/28 07:30:14 cogbuji SPARQL 1.1 Graph Store HTTP Protocol ←
15:15:44 <Zakim> + +1.617.553.aabb
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15:15:46 <sandro> sandro: let's resolve to publish this, but figure out the actual schedule later
Sandro Hawke: let's resolve to publish this, but figure out the actual schedule later ←
15:16:30 <chimezie> Zakim, unmute me
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15:16:37 <AxelPolleres> PROPOSED: publish as http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/http-rdf-update/ as last call public working draft soon on a schedule to be determined
PROPOSED: publish as http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/http-rdf-update/ as last call public working draft soon on a schedule to be determined ←
15:16:49 <sandro> chimezie: this all sounds okay
Chimezie Ogbuji: this all sounds okay ←
15:17:00 <bglimm> +1 (Uni Ulm)
Birte Glimm: +1 (Uni Ulm) ←
15:17:08 <pgearon> +1 (Revelytix)
Paula Gearon: +1 (Revelytix) ←
15:17:10 <MattPerry> +1 (Oracle)
Matthew Perry: +1 (Oracle) ←
15:17:14 <AndyS> +1 (ASF)
Andy Seaborne: +1 (ASF) ←
15:17:15 <chimezie> +1 (IE)
Chimezie Ogbuji: +1 (IE) ←
15:17:16 <kasei> +1 (RPI)
Gregory Williams: +1 (RPI) ←
15:17:20 <LeeF> +1 (Cambridge Semantics)
Lee Feigenbaum: +1 (Cambridge Semantics) ←
15:17:23 <AxelPolleres> Zakim, who is on the phone?
Axel Polleres: Zakim, who is on the phone? ←
15:17:23 <Zakim> On the phone I see Sandro, AxelPolleres, kasei, MattPerry, pgearon, bglimm (muted), AndyS, chimezie, LeeF
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see Sandro, AxelPolleres, kasei, MattPerry, pgearon, bglimm (muted), AndyS, chimezie, LeeF ←
15:17:25 <sandro> +1 (W3C) I'm not really happy with some parts of this draft, as discussed elsewhere, but I think we should go ahead and publish, all things considered.
+1 (W3C) I'm not really happy with some parts of this draft, as discussed elsewhere, but I think we should go ahead and publish, all things considered. ←
15:17:30 <AxelPolleres> +1 (DERI)
Axel Polleres: +1 (DERI) ←
15:17:59 <AndyS> This is LC? sandro's concerns are editorial?
Andy Seaborne: This is LC? sandro's concerns are editorial? ←
15:18:49 <sandro> My concerns are not editorial, but I'm wiling to let go of them, and let them be addressed by a future WG.
My concerns are not editorial, but I'm wiling to let go of them, and let them be addressed by a future WG. ←
15:19:14 <AxelPolleres> RESOLVED: publish as http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/http-rdf-update/ as last call public working draft soon on a schedule to be determined (9 x +1, no abstentions, no objections)
RESOLVED: publish as http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/http-rdf-update/ as last call public working draft soon on a schedule to be determined (9 x +1, no abstentions, no objections) ←
15:19:57 <sandro> subtopic: CSV/TSV document
15:20:20 <sandro> AxelPolleres: is the schedule in my mail realistic?
Axel Polleres: is the schedule in my mail realistic? ←
15:21:05 <chimezie> id be happy to review
Chimezie Ogbuji: id be happy to review ←
15:21:41 <sandro> andy: There's one @@ line to take about before reviews, but basically it's ready.
Andy Seaborne: There's one @@ line to take about before reviews, but basically it's ready. ←
15:21:58 <sandro> andy: I propose to take out that line and make no other changes.
Andy Seaborne: I propose to take out that line and make no other changes. ←
15:22:22 <AxelPolleres> ACTION: Chime to review CSV/TSV for LC readiness
ACTION: Chime to review CSV/TSV for LC readiness ←
15:22:23 <trackbot> Created ACTION-593 - Review CSV/TSV for LC readiness [on Chimezie Ogbuji - due 2012-03-06].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-593 - Review CSV/TSV for LC readiness [on Chimezie Ogbuji - due 2012-03-06]. ←
15:23:09 <sandro> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg-comments/2012Feb/0025.html JB-9 comment on CSV
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg-comments/2012Feb/0025.html JB-9 comment on CSV ←
15:23:57 <sandro> AndyS: There's an underlying problem. But the conclusion last week was that CVS is meant to be lossy, sort of, so this is appropriate.
Andy Seaborne: There's an underlying problem. But the conclusion last week was that CSV is meant to be lossy, sort of, so this is appropriate. ←
15:24:24 <Zakim> +EricP
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15:24:25 <sandro> AxelPolleres: is there a response drafted, .... no.
Axel Polleres: is there a response drafted, .... no. ←
15:24:50 <sandro> AxelPolleres: So our response to this comment will be No Change.
Axel Polleres: So our response to this comment will be No Change. ←
15:25:32 <sandro> s/CVS/CSV/
15:25:41 <AxelPolleres> Zakim, pick a victim
Axel Polleres: Zakim, pick a victim ←
15:25:41 <Zakim> Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose kasei
Zakim IRC Bot: Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose kasei ←
15:26:05 <AxelPolleres> ACTION: greg to review CSV/TSV for MC readiness
ACTION: greg to review CSV/TSV for MC readiness ←
15:26:05 <trackbot> Created ACTION-594 - Review CSV/TSV for MC readiness [on Gregory Williams - due 2012-03-06].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-594 - Review CSV/TSV for MC readiness [on Gregory Williams - due 2012-03-06]. ←
15:26:22 <sandro> action-594?
15:26:22 <trackbot> ACTION-594 -- Gregory Williams to review CSV/TSV for MC readiness -- due 2012-03-06 -- OPEN
Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-594 -- Gregory Williams to review CSV/TSV for MC readiness -- due 2012-03-06 -- OPEN ←
15:26:22 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/track/actions/594
Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/track/actions/594 ←
15:26:42 <AxelPolleres> we strive for getting JB-9 answered and acknowledged before LC publication
Axel Polleres: we strive for getting JB-9 answered and acknowledged before LC publication ←
15:27:08 <AxelPolleres> subtopic: Overview document
15:27:56 <kasei> Zakim, who is talking?
Gregory Williams: Zakim, who is talking? ←
15:28:05 <sandro> AxelPolleres: Should we re-order the documents described in Overview, or elsewhere? I found it easier to explain in the Overview order.
Axel Polleres: Should we re-order the documents described in Overview, or elsewhere? I found it easier to explain in the Overview order. ←
15:28:09 <Zakim> kasei, listening for 12 seconds I heard sound from the following: AxelPolleres (88%)
Zakim IRC Bot: kasei, listening for 12 seconds I heard sound from the following: AxelPolleres (88%) ←
15:28:17 <sandro> AxelPolleres: Otherwise, we're close to LC ready.
Axel Polleres: Otherwise, we're close to LC ready. ←
15:28:23 <AndyS> Is this REC track?
Andy Seaborne: Is this REC track? ←
15:28:51 <sandro> sandro: So if you had to change the order, you'd have to rework it to get it to flow?
Sandro Hawke: So if you had to change the order, you'd have to rework it to get it to flow? ←
15:29:01 <sandro> AxelPolleres: Right.
Axel Polleres: Right. ←
15:29:52 <sandro> we're talking about http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/sparql11-overview/Overview.xml
we're talking about http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/sparql11-overview/Overview.xml ←
15:30:28 <sandro> AxelPolleres: It seemed most logical to talk about query, then the results format.
Axel Polleres: It seemed most logical to talk about query, then the results format. ←
15:30:41 <sandro> AxelPolleres: Anyone object to leaving order as is?
Axel Polleres: Anyone object to leaving order as is? ←
15:32:05 <sandro> andy: some spurious links, editorial stuff still to do.
Andy Seaborne: some spurious links, editorial stuff still to do. ←
15:32:21 <sandro> (discussion about if it's rec track; seems to be.)
(discussion about if it's rec track; seems to be.) ←
15:32:43 <sandro> AxelPolleres: I'll dig through all the comments, and check it over, clean up links, try to get it ready within a week.
Axel Polleres: I'll dig through all the comments, and check it over, clean up links, try to get it ready within a week. ←
15:32:45 <AxelPolleres> ACTION: Axel to get Overview ready for review in a week
ACTION: Axel to get Overview ready for review in a week ←
15:32:45 <trackbot> Created ACTION-595 - Get Overview ready for review in a week [on Axel Polleres - due 2012-03-06].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-595 - Get Overview ready for review in a week [on Axel Polleres - due 2012-03-06]. ←
15:33:19 <LeeF> I will
Lee Feigenbaum: I will ←
15:33:36 <LeeF> though the more emails that you send me remindimg me about it, the better :)
Lee Feigenbaum: though the more emails that you send me remindimg me about it, the better :) ←
15:33:48 <AxelPolleres> ACTION: Lee to review Overview doc for LC readiness by completion of ACTION-595
ACTION: Lee to review Overview doc for LC readiness by completion of ACTION-595 ←
15:33:48 <trackbot> Created ACTION-596 - Review Overview doc for LC readiness by completion of ACTION-595 [on Lee Feigenbaum - due 2012-03-06].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-596 - Review Overview doc for LC readiness by completion of ACTION-595 [on Lee Feigenbaum - due 2012-03-06]. ←
15:34:04 <MattPerry> I can do it
Matthew Perry: I can do it ←
15:34:19 <AxelPolleres> ACTION: Matt to review Overview doc for LC readiness by completion of ACTION-595
ACTION: Matt to review Overview doc for LC readiness by completion of ACTION-595 ←
15:34:19 <trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - Matt
Trackbot IRC Bot: Sorry, couldn't find user - Matt ←
15:34:45 <AxelPolleres> ACTION: MattPerry to review Overview doc for LC readiness by completion of ACTION-595
ACTION: MattPerry to review Overview doc for LC readiness by completion of ACTION-595 ←
15:34:45 <trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - MattPerry
Trackbot IRC Bot: Sorry, couldn't find user - MattPerry ←
15:34:55 <AxelPolleres> ACTION: Matthew to review Overview doc for LC readiness by completion of ACTION-595
ACTION: Matthew to review Overview doc for LC readiness by completion of ACTION-595 ←
15:34:55 <trackbot> Created ACTION-597 - Review Overview doc for LC readiness by completion of ACTION-595 [on Matthew Perry - due 2012-03-06].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-597 - Review Overview doc for LC readiness by completion of ACTION-595 [on Matthew Perry - due 2012-03-06]. ←
15:35:05 <chimezie> Zakim, mute me
Chimezie Ogbuji: Zakim, mute me ←
15:35:05 <Zakim> chimezie should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: chimezie should now be muted ←
15:35:22 <AxelPolleres> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2012JanMar/0203.html
Axel Polleres: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2012JanMar/0203.html ←
15:36:11 <sandro> axel: If everything goes right, we could vote on CSV and Overview next week.
Axel Polleres: If everything goes right, we could vote on CSV and Overview next week. ←
15:37:43 <sandro> sandro: I was wondering if there are Comments that editors might have missed that would affect their readiness.
Sandro Hawke: I was wondering if there are Comments that editors might have missed that would affect their readiness. ←
15:37:49 <AndyS> PA-1 is an update comment - looks editorial - not sure though
Andy Seaborne: PA-2 is an update comment - looks editorial - not sure though ←
15:37:57 <sandro> axel: Let's talk about that after this.
Axel Polleres: Let's talk about that after this. ←
15:38:01 <AndyS> s/PA-1/PA-2/
15:38:20 <AxelPolleres> topic: JP-4 comment and property paths
15:38:56 <sandro> axel: We discussed two weeks ago that we needed someone to spec this out if we're going to cchange anything on property paths.
Axel Polleres: We discussed two weeks ago that we needed someone to spec this out if we're going to cchange anything on property paths. ←
15:39:22 <sandro> ... either we add a DISTINCT keywork, or we leave as it is and tell commenter that's for the future.
... either we add a DISTINCT keywork, or we leave as it is and tell commenter that's for the future. ←
15:39:31 <sandro> ... Andy said he'd be willing ti give it a try
... Andy said he'd be willing ti give it a try ←
15:39:51 <sandro> ... Had any chance to reflect on this, Andy?
... Had any chance to reflect on this, Andy? ←
15:40:41 <LeeF> I like the new proposal, because while it's not really the same, it reminds me a lot of greedy vs. non-greedy matching in traditional regexp (.* vs .*?)
Lee Feigenbaum: I like the new proposal, because while it's not really the same, it reminds me a lot of greedy vs. non-greedy matching in traditional regexp (.* vs .*?) ←
15:40:45 <sandro> AndyS: I spent some more time thinking about it, and came up with a modified proposal, with new non-counting operators. Then move counting ones to a syntax that reflects counting. I'm wondering if that's of interest to people.
Andy Seaborne: I spent some more time thinking about it, and came up with a modified proposal, with new non-counting operators. Then move counting ones to a syntax that reflects counting. I'm wondering if that's of interest to people. ←
15:40:48 <AndyS> * and + non-counting then counting {*} {+}
Andy Seaborne: * and + non-counting then counting {*} {+} ←
15:40:56 <pgearon> It interests me
Paula Gearon: It interests me ←
15:41:01 <AxelPolleres> what about /
Axel Polleres: what about / ←
15:41:02 <AxelPolleres> ?
Axel Polleres: ? ←
15:41:17 <sandro> axel: What about concat?
Axel Polleres: What about concat? ←
15:41:33 <sandro> AndyS: I think that's orthogonal to JP-4 so let's deal with it separately
Andy Seaborne: I think that's orthogonal to JP-4 so let's deal with it separately ←
15:42:14 <sandro> AxelPolleres: They both suggest the semantics of path expressions is non-counting. If we have star, wouldn't it then still count something, if there is concatenation?
Axel Polleres: They both suggest the semantics of path expressions is non-counting. If we have star, wouldn't it then still count something, if there is concatenation? ←
15:42:42 <sandro> (not sure I wrote that right)
(not sure I wrote that right) ←
15:42:44 <AxelPolleres> s p o . o q r. s p o2. o2 q r .
Axel Polleres: s p o . o q r. s p o2. o2 q r . ←
15:43:01 <AxelPolleres> s p*/q* r .
Axel Polleres: s p*/q* r . ←
15:43:37 <sandro> AndyS: JP-4 is more limited than that.
Andy Seaborne: JP-4 is more limited than that. ←
15:43:50 <AndyS> s :p/:q r . => s :p ?x . ?x q r .
Andy Seaborne: s :p/:q r . => s :p ?x . ?x q r . ←
15:43:54 <sandro> AndyS: Some natural equivalencies no longer hold.
Andy Seaborne: Some natural equivalencies no longer hold. ←
15:44:12 <AndyS> s p/q r . => s p ?x . ?x q r .
Andy Seaborne: s p/q r . => s p ?x . ?x q r . ←
15:44:49 <sandro> AndyS: What's important is that the dups occur because of projection, in one shape or form. We've defined slash, at the moment, with an internal variable which can be projected away, and projection can give you duplicates.
Andy Seaborne: What's important is that the dups occur because of projection, in one shape or form. We've defined slash, at the moment, with an internal variable which can be projected away, and projection can give you duplicates. ←
15:45:08 <sandro> AxelPolleres: These modified operators are intended as an alternative to DISTINCT?
Axel Polleres: These modified operators are intended as an alternative to DISTINCT? ←
15:45:16 <sandro> AndyS: Yes. You could have both, though.
Andy Seaborne: Yes. You could have both, though. ←
15:45:23 <sandro> axel: Any opinions?
Axel Polleres: Any opinions? ←
15:45:50 <sandro> ... my opinion is DISTINCT is easy to explain, but this is also easy to explain. Do we want both...?
... my opinion is DISTINCT is easy to explain, but this is also easy to explain. Do we want both...? ←
15:46:02 <kasei> I much prefer Andy's proposed syntax w.r.t. the existing syntax and future extension, but it obviously doesn't cover all the desires of JP-4.
Gregory Williams: I much prefer Andy's proposed syntax w.r.t. the existing syntax and future extension, but it obviously doesn't cover all the desires of JP-4. ←
15:46:06 <sandro> AxelPolleres: I think we should have DISTINCT anyway.
Axel Polleres: I think we should have DISTINCT anyway. ←
15:46:37 <MattPerry> I like Andy's new proposal better than DISTINCT keyword
Matthew Perry: I like Andy's new proposal better than DISTINCT keyword ←
15:46:45 <kasei> q+
Gregory Williams: q+ ←
15:47:10 <AndyS> See also WM-1
Andy Seaborne: See also WM-1 ←
15:47:18 <sandro> kasei: Before Andy goes off and specs, shall we try to engage all the folks who've commented on property paths?
Gregory Williams: Before Andy goes off and specs, shall we try to engage all the folks who've commented on property paths? ←
15:47:22 <sandro> axel: Good idea
Axel Polleres: Good idea ←
15:47:46 <sandro> axel: Andy, can you write to these folks with the different options?
Axel Polleres: Andy, can you write to these folks with the different options? ←
15:48:15 <sandro> AndyS: Do you want something that makes a proposal or discusses alternatives?
Andy Seaborne: Do you want something that makes a proposal or discusses alternatives? ←
15:48:25 <sandro> axel: somewhere in between, but that's a good point.
Axel Polleres: somewhere in between, but that's a good point. ←
15:48:49 <LeeF> +1 to what Andy just said :)
Lee Feigenbaum: +1 to what Andy just said :) ←
15:49:01 <sandro> AndyS: Pushback about DISTINCT is it's a big word to put in a triple pattern. :-)
Andy Seaborne: Pushback about DISTINCT is it's a big word to put in a triple pattern. :-) ←
15:49:15 <sandro> axel: Proposal on table is to have modified operators.
Axel Polleres: Proposal on table is to have modified operators. ←
15:49:34 <sandro> axel: Can you formulate this into email to JP-4 and see if they would be okay with it?
Axel Polleres: Can you formulate this into email to JP-4 and see if they would be okay with it? ←
15:50:09 <sandro> AndyS: I sent email to the group yesterday trying to capture this idea in bullet points
Andy Seaborne: I sent email to the group yesterday trying to capture this idea in bullet points ←
15:50:35 <AndyS> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2012JanMar/0206.html
Andy Seaborne: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2012JanMar/0206.html ←
15:51:08 <AndyS> starts with a bullet point summary (do you agree?)
Andy Seaborne: starts with a bullet point summary (do you agree?) ←
15:52:05 <sandro> AndyS: Given the time, and how new the material is, .... is this something we want to push right now?
Andy Seaborne: Given the time, and how new the material is, .... is this something we want to push right now? ←
15:52:17 <sandro> AxelPolleres: Yes, I want to reply to this email
Axel Polleres: Yes, I want to reply to this email ←
15:53:02 <sandro> axel: General strategy -- get something together for us, which we can send to commenters?
Axel Polleres: General strategy -- get something together for us, which we can send to commenters? ←
15:53:12 <sandro> sandro: Why not put into spec now?
Sandro Hawke: Why not put into spec now? ←
15:53:31 <sandro> AndyS: It could do with some threshing before being put into spec form.
Andy Seaborne: It could do with some threshing before being put into spec form. ←
15:53:56 <sandro> axel: Let's have this discussion.
Axel Polleres: Let's have this discussion. ←
15:54:00 <sandro> (in email)
(in email) ←
15:54:21 <sandro> axel: Would anyone object to this proposal of having two kinds of operators?
Axel Polleres: Would anyone object to this proposal of having two kinds of operators? ←
15:54:45 <AxelPolleres> Strawpoll, would anyone object to {*} and {+} counting operators and * and + default to non-counting?
Axel Polleres: Strawpoll, would anyone object to {*} and {+} counting operators and * and + default to non-counting? ←
15:55:10 <sandro> say -1 if you object, +1 if you like it, 0 if you abstain
say -1 if you object, +1 if you like it, 0 if you abstain ←
15:55:13 <AndyS> (if anyone has a general syntax for "this operator is distinct" then pls email c.f. greedy REs)
Andy Seaborne: (if anyone has a general syntax for "this operator is distinct" then pls email c.f. greedy REs) ←
15:55:19 <kasei> +1
Gregory Williams: +1 ←
15:55:20 <MattPerry> +1
Matthew Perry: +1 ←
15:55:22 <AxelPolleres> +1
Axel Polleres: +1 ←
15:55:26 <ericP> 0
15:55:27 <sandro> 0 don't understand issue yet
0 don't understand issue yet ←
15:55:27 <chimezie> +1 (don't like the syntax of the different operators)
Chimezie Ogbuji: +1 (don't like the syntax of the different operators, however) ←
15:55:31 <pgearon> +1
Paula Gearon: +1 ←
15:55:39 <bglimm> +1 (but would like a better syntax, but no idea about which)
Birte Glimm: +1 (but would like a better syntax, but no idea about which) ←
15:55:43 <chimezie> s/operators/operators, however
15:55:51 <LeeF> +1
Lee Feigenbaum: +1 ←
15:55:57 <sandro> +? and *? are used someimes in kleene situations
+? and *? are used someimes in kleene situations ←
15:56:07 <sandro> (I think)
(I think) ←
15:56:20 <AxelPolleres> we'll continue based on that per email
Axel Polleres: we'll continue based on that per email ←
15:56:38 <sandro> topic: Unassigned Comments
15:56:38 <AxelPolleres> http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/Comments
Axel Polleres: http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/Comments ←
15:56:45 <kasei> i think some of the new-ish comments were assigned last week, but the wiki wasn't updated.
Gregory Williams: i think some of the new-ish comments were assigned last week, but the wiki wasn't updated. ←
15:56:54 <AndyS> May work - need to be careful about variables but greedy tokenization rules.
Andy Seaborne: May work - need to be careful about variables but greedy tokenization rules. ←
15:57:04 <AndyS> I updated the wiki
Andy Seaborne: I updated the wiki ←
15:57:45 <AxelPolleres> JB-10, WM-9, should be treated along JP-4
Axel Polleres: JB-10, WM-9, should be treated along JP-4 ←
15:58:20 <AxelPolleres> Paul?
Axel Polleres: Paul? ←
15:58:21 <sandro> AxelPolleres: Paul, can you take PA-2 ?
Axel Polleres: Paul, can you take PA-2 ? ←
15:58:30 <AndyS> re +? the defaults across all ops get a bit odd maybe. Need to work on some examples.
Andy Seaborne: re +? the defaults across all ops get a bit odd maybe. Need to work on some examples. ←
15:58:43 <sandro> pgearon: I'll take a look. Probably wont have time before next meeting, though.
Paula Gearon: I'll take a look. Probably wont have time before next meeting, though. ←
15:59:05 <sandro> AxelPolleres: I'll put you down for it for now.
Axel Polleres: I'll put you down for it for now. ←
16:00:20 <AndyS> If someone wants to handle DRD-1, feel free. To me, it's orthog to cardinality.
Andy Seaborne: If someone wants to handle DRD-1, feel free. To me, it's orthog to cardinality. ←
16:01:15 <AxelPolleres> ACTION: Axel to summarize open comments by next week.
ACTION: Axel to summarize open comments by next week. ←
16:01:15 <trackbot> Created ACTION-598 - Summarize open comments by next week. [on Axel Polleres - due 2012-03-06].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-598 - Summarize open comments by next week. [on Axel Polleres - due 2012-03-06]. ←
16:01:16 <kasei> AndyS, I agree it's orthogonal. But if we're opening back up syntax decisions, I think DRD-1 is worth discussing.
Gregory Williams: AndyS, I agree it's orthogonal. But if we're opening back up syntax decisions, I think DRD-1 is worth discussing. ←
16:01:33 <sandro> ADJOURN
ADJOURN ←
16:01:34 <Zakim> -EricP
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16:01:35 <Zakim> -chimezie
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16:01:36 <bglimm> bye�
Birte Glimm: bye� ←
16:01:39 <MattPerry> bye
Matthew Perry: bye ←
16:01:39 <AndyS> e.g PATH(...) ??
Andy Seaborne: e.g PATH(...) ?? ←
16:01:41 <Zakim> -bglimm
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16:01:42 <AxelPolleres> �thanks all
Axel Polleres: �thanks all ←
16:01:42 <Zakim> -Sandro
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16:01:47 <Zakim> -MattPerry
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16:01:49 <Zakim> -AndyS
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16:01:51 <Zakim> -pgearon
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16:01:57 <Zakim> -kasei
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16:02:05 <Zakim> -AxelPolleres
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16:02:19 <AxelPolleres> rrsagent, make records public
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16:02:31 <AxelPolleres> sandro, will you get the minutes out?
Axel Polleres: sandro, will you get the minutes out? ←
16:02:41 <AxelPolleres> and do you have another minute?
Axel Polleres: and do you have another minute? ←
16:03:18 <Zakim> -LeeF
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16:03:19 <Zakim> SW_(SPARQL)10:00AM has ended
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16:03:19 <Zakim> Attendees were Sandro, +49.897.aaaa, kasei, MattPerry, pgearon, AxelPolleres, chimezie, bglimm, AndyS, +1.617.553.aabb, LeeF, EricP
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