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14:57:36 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be 77277
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14:57:36 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see SW_(SPARQL)10:00AM scheduled to start in 3 minutes
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14:57:37 <trackbot> Meeting: SPARQL Working Group Teleconference
14:57:37 <trackbot> Date: 17 January 2012
14:57:42 <LeeF> zakim, this will be SPARQL
Lee Feigenbaum: zakim, this will be SPARQL ←
14:57:42 <Zakim> ok, LeeF; I see SW_(SPARQL)10:00AM scheduled to start in 3 minutes
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14:57:44 <LeeF> Chair: LeeF
14:57:48 <LeeF> Agenda: test suite
14:57:55 <LeeF> Regrets: Axel, AndyS
14:57:59 <LeeF> Risk: SteveH, Sandro
Lee Feigenbaum: Risk: SteveH, Sandro ←
14:58:06 <LeeF> Regrets: Axel, AndyS, Carlos
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15:00:21 <Zakim> +kasei
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15:01:27 <Olivier> zakim, aaaa is me
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15:03:05 <LeeF> zakim, who's on the phone?
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15:03:05 <Zakim> On the phone I see LeeF, MattPerry, kasei, Olivier, swh, pgearon, sandro
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15:03:31 <pgearon> can do that
Paula Gearon: can do that ←
15:03:35 <LeeF> many thanks
Lee Feigenbaum: many thanks ←
15:03:50 <LeeF> scribenick: pgearon
(Scribe set to Paula Gearon)
15:05:05 <pgearon> LeeF: does anyone remember discussion CSV/TSV discussion? (deafening silence)
Lee Feigenbaum: does anyone remember discussion CSV/TSV discussion? (deafening silence) ←
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15:06:17 <pgearon> LeeF: will not review the CSV/TSV document today
Lee Feigenbaum: will not review the CSV/TSV document today ←
15:07:20 <LeeF> PROPOSED: Approve last week's minutes at http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/meeting/2012-01-10
PROPOSED: Approve last week's minutes at http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/meeting/2012-01-10 ←
15:07:29 <pgearon> LeeF: going to discuss test suite coverage, and make sure there are ACTIONs in place for people to fill in the holes
Lee Feigenbaum: going to discuss test suite coverage, and make sure there are ACTIONs in place for people to fill in the holes ←
15:08:19 <LeeF> RESOLVED: Approve last week's minutes at http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/meeting/2012-01-10
RESOLVED: Approve last week's minutes at http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/meeting/2012-01-10 ←
15:08:39 <LeeF> Next meeting is 1/24/2012 at same time and place
Lee Feigenbaum: Next meeting is 1/24/2012 at same time and place ←
15:08:45 <Olivier> regrets
Olivier Corby: regrets ←
15:09:11 <LeeF> topic: Graph Store Protocol & Service Description
15:09:17 <LeeF> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2012JanMar/0030.html
Lee Feigenbaum: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2012JanMar/0030.html ←
15:09:22 <LeeF> Looking at point #4
Lee Feigenbaum: Looking at point #4 ←
15:11:16 <pgearon> kasei: concern that graph store protocol references service description, but SD does not reference the graph store protocol
Gregory Williams: concern that graph store protocol references service description, but SD does not reference the graph store protocol ←
15:13:01 <pgearon> sandro: don't see a problem with graph store protocol referring to SD, with the SD not knowing anything about it
Sandro Hawke: don't see a problem with graph store protocol referring to SD, with the SD not knowing anything about it ←
15:14:57 <pgearon> LeeF: agree that it's OK to say, "this is the vocabulary to use wrt the service description", but in this case section 5.8 of the graph store protocol seems to be talking about getting a different way of getting an SD document that isn't the same as what the SD says - not entirely sure though
Lee Feigenbaum: agree that it's OK to say, "this is the vocabulary to use wrt the service description", but in this case section 5.8 of the graph store protocol seems to be talking about getting a different way of getting an SD document that isn't the same as what the SD says - not entirely sure though ←
15:16:07 <pgearon> LeeF: is the graph store service IRI same or different to graph store IRI?
Lee Feigenbaum: is the graph store service IRI same or different to graph store IRI? ←
15:16:21 <pgearon> Sandro: different. May or may not be the same as the endpoint IRI
Sandro Hawke: different. May or may not be the same as the endpoint IRI ←
15:17:16 <kasei> q+
Gregory Williams: q+ ←
15:17:53 <LeeF> ack kasei
Lee Feigenbaum: ack kasei ←
15:18:02 <pgearon> LeeF: 5.8 in the graph store protocol is saying that the service IRI and store IRIs are the same, which I don't agree with
Lee Feigenbaum: 5.8 in the graph store protocol is saying that the service IRI and store IRIs are the same, which I don't agree with ←
15:18:31 <pgearon> kasei: concerned that graph store protocol casually dropping OPTIONS as a way to get the SD
Gregory Williams: concerned that graph store protocol casually dropping OPTIONS as a way to get the SD ←
15:19:02 <pgearon> kasei: SD language sprinkled around the graph store protocol
Gregory Williams: SD language sprinkled around the graph store protocol ←
15:20:51 <pgearon> LeeF and kasei in agreement on graph store protocol document saying that both IRIs are being treated as the same
LeeF and kasei in agreement on graph store protocol document saying that both IRIs are being treated as the same ←
15:21:26 <pgearon> LeeF: need to improve the text to show that service IRI and protocol IRI are not necessarily the same, though they may be
Lee Feigenbaum: need to improve the text to show that service IRI and protocol IRI are not necessarily the same, though they may be ←
15:22:03 <pgearon> sandro: if they're not the same, then if you do a GET on the graph store service IRI then should say what you'd get
Sandro Hawke: if they're not the same, then if you do a GET on the graph store service IRI then should say what you'd get ←
15:24:26 <pgearon> kasei: all the discussion is on 5.8 which says "informative" and then uses normative language, so we know that Chimezie will update this
Gregory Williams: all the discussion is on 5.8 which says "informative" and then uses normative language, so we know that Chimezie will update this ←
15:25:41 <LeeF> Consensuses (consensi) of this discussion:
Lee Feigenbaum: Consensuses (consensi) of this discussion: ←
15:26:05 <LeeF> * GSP Service IRI is not necessarily the same as the SPARQL Protocol Endpoint IRI
Lee Feigenbaum: * GSP Service IRI is not necessarily the same as the SPARQL Protocol Endpoint IRI ←
15:26:17 <LeeF> * RFC2119 language needs to be removed from 5.8
Lee Feigenbaum: * RFC2119 language needs to be removed from 5.8 ←
15:26:25 <LeeF> * Language needs to be clearer on this distinction
Lee Feigenbaum: * Language needs to be clearer on this distinction ←
15:26:58 <LeeF> Open questions:
Lee Feigenbaum: Open questions: ←
15:27:33 <LeeF> * What happens if the IRIs for GSP Service and the Protocol Endpoint are not the same and you do a GET on the GSP Service IRI? particularly if the deployment doesn't involve a SPARQL endpoint at all?
Lee Feigenbaum: * What happens if the IRIs for GSP Service and the Protocol Endpoint are not the same and you do a GET on the GSP Service IRI? particularly if the deployment doesn't involve a SPARQL endpoint at all? ←
15:27:49 <LeeF> * Should we remove the recommendation to use OPTIONS for this and just go with GET?
Lee Feigenbaum: * Should we remove the recommendation to use OPTIONS for this and just go with GET? ←
15:28:36 <pgearon> LeeF: won't be able to conclude without chimezie, but hopefully can clear up all the issues for him to work with
Lee Feigenbaum: won't be able to conclude without chimezie, but hopefully can clear up all the issues for him to work with ←
15:29:01 <LeeF> Also the example in 5.5 implies the same thing that 5.8 implies about the IRIs, and needs to be made clearer
Lee Feigenbaum: Also the example in 5.5 implies the same thing that 5.8 implies about the IRIs, and needs to be made clearer ←
15:30:45 <LeeF> topic: Test Suites
15:30:53 <LeeF> http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/TestSuiteCoverage
Lee Feigenbaum: http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/TestSuiteCoverage ←
15:32:35 <pgearon> LeeF: need tests for errors when evaluating aggregates
Lee Feigenbaum: need tests for errors when evaluating aggregates ←
15:33:36 <pgearon> LeeF: and positive EXISTS tests
Lee Feigenbaum: and positive EXISTS tests ←
15:33:43 <LeeF> ACTION-531?
15:33:43 <trackbot> ACTION-531 -- Olivier Corby to check Query test cases coverage in terms of errors in aggregate evaluation and positiveEXISTS tests -- due 2011-09-27 -- OPEN
Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-531 -- Olivier Corby to check Query test cases coverage in terms of errors in aggregate evaluation and positiveEXISTS tests -- due 2011-09-27 -- OPEN ←
15:33:43 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/track/actions/531
Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/track/actions/531 ←
15:33:57 <kasei> I can do it.
Gregory Williams: I can do it. ←
15:34:06 <kasei> the EXISTS tests
Gregory Williams: the EXISTS tests ←
15:34:09 <kasei> oh. ok :)
Gregory Williams: oh. ok :) ←
15:34:17 <LeeF> close ACTION-531
Lee Feigenbaum: close ACTION-531 ←
15:34:18 <trackbot> ACTION-531 Check Query test cases coverage in terms of errors in aggregate evaluation and positiveEXISTS tests closed
Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-531 Check Query test cases coverage in terms of errors in aggregate evaluation and positiveEXISTS tests closed ←
15:34:26 <LeeF> ACTION: Greg to propose tests for aggregate evaluation errors
ACTION: Greg to propose tests for aggregate evaluation errors ←
15:34:26 <trackbot> Created ACTION-573 - Propose tests for aggregate evaluation errors [on Gregory Williams - due 2012-01-24].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-573 - Propose tests for aggregate evaluation errors [on Gregory Williams - due 2012-01-24]. ←
15:34:35 <LeeF> ACTION: Greg to propose tests for positive use of EXISTS
ACTION: Greg to propose tests for positive use of EXISTS ←
15:34:35 <trackbot> Created ACTION-574 - Propose tests for positive use of EXISTS [on Gregory Williams - due 2012-01-24].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-574 - Propose tests for positive use of EXISTS [on Gregory Williams - due 2012-01-24]. ←
15:35:30 <pgearon> LeeF: Update tests - not covered: shortcuts (add/move/copy), load, create
Lee Feigenbaum: Update tests - not covered: shortcuts (add/move/copy), load, create ←
15:36:20 <LeeF> close ACTION-517
Lee Feigenbaum: close ACTION-517 ←
15:36:20 <trackbot> ACTION-517 Look into negative evaluation tests and "silent success test" possibility for update tests. closed
Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-517 Look into negative evaluation tests and "silent success test" possibility for update tests. closed ←
15:38:12 <pgearon> LeeF: need someone to look at update tests
Lee Feigenbaum: need someone to look at update tests ←
15:38:29 <pgearon> MattPerry: can do some of them, but not all. ADD, MOVE, COPY
Matthew Perry: can do some of them, but not all. ADD, MOVE, COPY ←
15:38:36 <LeeF> ACTION: Matt to propose tests for ADD, MOVE, and COPY
ACTION: Matt to propose tests for ADD, MOVE, and COPY ←
15:38:36 <trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - Matt
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15:38:40 <LeeF> ACTION: Matthew to propose tests for ADD, MOVE, and COPY
ACTION: Matthew to propose tests for ADD, MOVE, and COPY ←
15:38:41 <trackbot> Created ACTION-575 - Propose tests for ADD, MOVE, and COPY [on Matthew Perry - due 2012-01-24].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-575 - Propose tests for ADD, MOVE, and COPY [on Matthew Perry - due 2012-01-24]. ←
15:38:56 <kasei> I'm not sure how we could test CREATE in a portable way.
Gregory Williams: I'm not sure how we could test CREATE in a portable way. ←
15:39:07 <LeeF> ACTION: Paul to propose tests for LOAD and - if possible - CREATE
ACTION: Paul to propose tests for LOAD and - if possible - CREATE ←
15:39:07 <trackbot> Created ACTION-576 - Propose tests for LOAD and - if possible - CREATE [on Paul Gearon - due 2012-01-24].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-576 - Propose tests for LOAD and - if possible - CREATE [on Paul Gearon - due 2012-01-24]. ←
15:39:52 <kasei> CREATE already is tested in syntax tests.
Gregory Williams: CREATE already is tested in syntax tests. ←
15:40:15 <LeeF> ACTION: Axel to propose a negative syntax test for turtle bnodes in DELETE DATA
ACTION: Axel to propose a negative syntax test for turtle bnodes in DELETE DATA ←
15:40:16 <trackbot> Created ACTION-577 - Propose a negative syntax test for turtle bnodes in DELETE DATA [on Axel Polleres - due 2012-01-24].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-577 - Propose a negative syntax test for turtle bnodes in DELETE DATA [on Axel Polleres - due 2012-01-24]. ←
15:40:22 <kasei> q+
Gregory Williams: q+ ←
15:40:37 <pgearon> Sandro: could test CREATE by seeing if it shows up in the Service Description
Sandro Hawke: could test CREATE by seeing if it shows up in the Service Description ←
15:40:39 <LeeF> ack kasei
Lee Feigenbaum: ack kasei ←
15:40:58 <Zakim> -sandro
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15:40:59 <pgearon> kasei: graphs do not have to show up in the SD (optional)
Gregory Williams: graphs do not have to show up in the SD (optional) ←
15:42:02 <pgearon> LeeF: see if we can use the tests from the last WG to test protocol
Lee Feigenbaum: see if we can use the tests from the last WG to test protocol ←
15:42:15 <pgearon> LeeF: protocol testing will at least stick with action 495
Lee Feigenbaum: protocol testing will at least stick with ACTION-495 ←
15:42:42 <pgearon> kasei: testing conformance trivial, but can't think how this will fit into current test framework
Gregory Williams: testing conformance trivial, but can't think how this will fit into current test framework ←
15:43:19 <pgearon> kasei: thinking of starting with an endpoint URL and get back a response of "yes/no: it conforms / it doesn't conform"
Gregory Williams: thinking of starting with an endpoint URL and get back a response of "yes/no: it conforms / it doesn't conform" ←
15:43:46 <pgearon> LeeF: wanted something like that for "protocol", but didn't have bandwidth
Lee Feigenbaum: wanted something like that for "protocol", but didn't have bandwidth ←
15:44:35 <pgearon> LeeF: if something like that is constructed then should be usable for both SD testing and protocol testing
Lee Feigenbaum: if something like that is constructed then should be usable for both SD testing and protocol testing ←
15:45:03 <pgearon> LeeF: even if used for just the life of this WG then that will probably the best way to proceed
Lee Feigenbaum: even if used for just the life of this WG then that will probably the best way to proceed ←
15:45:10 <LeeF> ACTION: Greg to talk with Lee about putting a test system in place to test endpoints for protocol and service description conformance
ACTION: Greg to talk with Lee about putting a test system in place to test endpoints for protocol and service description conformance ←
15:45:10 <trackbot> Created ACTION-578 - Talk with Lee about putting a test system in place to test endpoints for protocol and service description conformance [on Gregory Williams - due 2012-01-24].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-578 - Talk with Lee about putting a test system in place to test endpoints for protocol and service description conformance [on Gregory Williams - due 2012-01-24]. ←
15:45:26 <bglimm> Zakim, unmute me
Birte Glimm: Zakim, unmute me ←
15:45:26 <Zakim> bglimm should no longer be muted
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15:45:41 <pgearon> LeeF: entailment tests. have a whole bunch, but also some missing ones
Lee Feigenbaum: entailment tests. have a whole bunch, but also some missing ones ←
15:45:53 <pgearon> bglimm: thinks still has open action to add test cases
Birte Glimm: thinks still has open action to add test cases ←
15:45:59 <LeeF> close ACTION-547
Lee Feigenbaum: close ACTION-547 ←
15:45:59 <trackbot> ACTION-547 Review query 2nd LC as soon as it's ready closed
Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-547 Review query 2nd LC as soon as it's ready closed ←
15:46:10 <LeeF> ACTION-518?
15:46:10 <trackbot> ACTION-518 -- Birte Glimm to add missing test cases to improve http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/TestSuiteCoverage#Entailment -- due 2011-08-16 -- OPEN
Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-518 -- Birte Glimm to add missing test cases to improve http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/TestSuiteCoverage#Entailment -- due 2011-08-16 -- OPEN ←
15:46:10 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/track/actions/518
Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/track/actions/518 ←
15:46:30 <pgearon> bglimm: need to find the time for these tests
Birte Glimm: need to find the time for these tests ←
15:46:35 <bglimm> Zakim, mute me
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15:46:35 <Zakim> bglimm should now be muted
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15:46:53 <pgearon> LeeF: federated query. Some things not covered, but doesn't overly concern me
Lee Feigenbaum: federated query. Some things not covered, but doesn't overly concern me ←
15:47:58 <pgearon> LeeF: some tests on JSON. Need someone to check if we're missing coverage
Lee Feigenbaum: some tests on JSON. Need someone to check if we're missing coverage ←
15:48:39 <pgearon> LeeF: don't think that protocol and XML format were separated in tests in SPARQL 1
Lee Feigenbaum: don't think that protocol and XML format were separated in tests in SPARQL 1 ←
15:49:19 <pgearon> LeeF: letting TSV/CSV ride until AndyS is available
Lee Feigenbaum: letting TSV/CSV ride until AndyS is available ←
15:49:45 <pgearon> LeeF: any other topics?
Lee Feigenbaum: any other topics? ←
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