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SPARQL Working Group

Minutes of 11 January 2011

Agenda
http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/Agenda-2011-01-11
Seen
Alexandre Passant, Andy Seaborne, Axel Polleres, Birte Glimm, Carlos Buil Aranda, Chimezie Ogbuji, Gregory Williams, Lee Feigenbaum, Matthew Perry, Nicholas Humfrey, Nico Michaelis, Olivier Corby, Sandro Hawke, Steve Harris
Regrets
Unknown Gearon, Olivier Corby
Chair
Axel Polleres
Scribe
Alexandre Passant
IRC Log
Original
Resolutions
  1. Approve minutes at http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/meeting/2010-12-21 link
  2. to drop WSDL from the SPARQL 1.1 Protocol and define the protocol only as an HTTP protocol link
  3. Close ISSUE-63 based on ?default syntax for handling updates to default graph link
Topics
  1. admin

  2. To Last Call

    as for reviews, all reviews should cover substantive issues, structure, and editorial issues

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14:52:26 <RRSAgent> logging to http://www.w3.org/2011/01/11-sparql-irc

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14:52:45 <AxelPolleres> Zakim, this will be SPARQL

Axel Polleres: Zakim, this will be SPARQL

14:52:45 <Zakim> ok, AxelPolleres; I see SW_(SPARQL)10:00AM scheduled to start in 8 minutes

Zakim IRC Bot: ok, AxelPolleres; I see SW_(SPARQL)10:00AM scheduled to start in 8 minutes

14:53:02 <AxelPolleres> agenda: http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/Agenda-2011-01-11
14:53:15 <AxelPolleres> chair: Axel Polleres
14:53:35 <AxelPolleres> regrets: Paul Gearon, Olivier Corby

Scribe problem: the name 'Paul Gearon' does not match any of the 62 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Ahmed Ezzat Alexandre Passant Andrea Westerinen Andrei Lopatenko Andy Seaborne Axel Polleres Bijan Parsia Birte Glimm Bryan Thompson Carlos Buil Aranda Chimezie Ogbuji Cui Tao Daniel Schutzer Dave Beckett David Charboneau David Newman Davide Palmisano Dhanapalan Kulandai Vadivel Dirk Colaert Dirk-Willem van Gulik Edward Thomas Elias Torres Enrico Franconi Eric Prud'hommeaux Frank Careccia Fred Zemke Gregory Williams Hiroyuki Sato Ivan Mikhailov Jacek Kopecký Jari Vänttinen Jean-François Baget Jeen Broekstra Jeff Pollock John Clark Jos De Roo Kendall Clark Kevin Wilkinson Lee Feigenbaum Luke Wilson-Mawer Matthew Perry Michael Smith Michele Minno Nicholas Humfrey Nico Michaelis Nophadol Jekjantuk Olivier Corby Orri Erling Paula Gearon Prateek Jain Rachel Yager Roland Schwaenzl Sandro Hawke Sergio Tessaris Simon Johnston Souripriya Das Steve Harris Sven Groppe Timo Westkämper Tommi Koivula Umberto Straccia Yoshio Fukushige

14:56:47 <Zakim> SW_(SPARQL)10:00AM has now started

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14:56:54 <Zakim> +??P4

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P4

14:57:05 <bglimm> Zakim, ??P4 is me

Birte Glimm: Zakim, ??P4 is me

14:57:05 <Zakim> +bglimm; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +bglimm; got it

14:57:18 <Zakim> +SteveH

Zakim IRC Bot: +SteveH

14:57:32 <SteveH> UK users rushing to get lines :)

Steve Harris: UK users rushing to get lines :)

14:57:37 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]

Zakim IRC Bot: +[IPcaller]

14:57:51 <SteveH> IPcaller has breathing noise

Steve Harris: IPcaller has breathing noise

14:57:52 <cbuilara> Zakim, +IPcaller is me

Carlos Buil Aranda: Zakim, +IPcaller is me

14:57:52 <Zakim> sorry, cbuilara, I do not recognize a party named '+IPcaller'

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14:57:59 <Zakim> +AxelPolleres

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14:58:17 <SteveH> Zakim, who's speaking?

Steve Harris: Zakim, who's speaking?

14:58:28 <Zakim> SteveH, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: bglimm (24%), [IPcaller] (39%), AxelPolleres (50%)

Zakim IRC Bot: SteveH, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: bglimm (24%), [IPcaller] (39%), AxelPolleres (50%)

14:58:44 <cbuilara> Zakim, ??IPcaller is me

Carlos Buil Aranda: Zakim, ??IPcaller is me

14:58:44 <Zakim> sorry, cbuilara, I do not recognize a party named '??IPcaller'

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14:58:44 <bglimm> Zakim, mute me

Birte Glimm: Zakim, mute me

14:58:45 <Zakim> bglimm should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: bglimm should now be muted

14:58:50 <cbuilara> Zakim, IPcaller is me

Carlos Buil Aranda: Zakim, IPcaller is me

14:58:50 <Zakim> +cbuilara; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +cbuilara; got it

14:59:03 <Zakim> +??P12

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P12

14:59:08 <AndyS> zakim, ??P12 is me

Andy Seaborne: zakim, ??P12 is me

14:59:08 <Zakim> +AndyS; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +AndyS; got it

14:59:09 <Zakim> +kasei

Zakim IRC Bot: +kasei

14:59:12 <SteveH> cbuilara, can you mute, your mic is very noisy

Steve Harris: cbuilara, can you mute, your mic is very noisy

14:59:17 <AndyS> Hi all

Andy Seaborne: Hi all

14:59:45 <Zakim> + +49.911.973.4.aaaa

Zakim IRC Bot: + +49.911.973.4.aaaa

15:00:02 <NicoM> zakim, +49.911 is me

Nico Michaelis: zakim, +49.911 is me

15:00:10 <Zakim> +NicoM; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +NicoM; got it

15:01:01 <Zakim> +LeeF

Zakim IRC Bot: +LeeF

15:01:04 <AndyS> zakim, be happy

Andy Seaborne: zakim, be happy

15:01:04 <Zakim> I don't understand 'be happy', AndyS

Zakim IRC Bot: I don't understand 'be happy', AndyS

15:01:20 <Zakim> + +1.603.897.aabb

Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.603.897.aabb

15:01:36 <MattPerry> zakim, aabb is me

Matthew Perry: zakim, aabb is me

15:01:51 <Zakim> +MattPerry; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +MattPerry; got it

15:02:22 <Zakim> +Sandro

Zakim IRC Bot: +Sandro

15:03:43 <AxelPolleres> Zakim, who is on the phone

Axel Polleres: Zakim, who is on the phone

15:03:55 <AxelPolleres> Zakim, who is on the phone?

Axel Polleres: Zakim, who is on the phone?

15:03:56 <Zakim> I don't understand 'who is on the phone', AxelPolleres

Zakim IRC Bot: I don't understand 'who is on the phone', AxelPolleres

15:04:06 <Zakim> On the phone I see bglimm (muted), SteveH, cbuilara, AxelPolleres, AndyS, kasei, NicoM, LeeF, MattPerry, Sandro

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see bglimm (muted), SteveH, cbuilara, AxelPolleres, AndyS, kasei, NicoM, LeeF, MattPerry, Sandro

15:04:39 <Zakim> + +3539149aacc

Zakim IRC Bot: + +3539149aacc

15:04:41 <Zakim> + +1.216.636.aadd

Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.216.636.aadd

15:04:45 <AlexPassant> ok

Alexandre Passant: ok

15:04:51 <AlexPassant> Zakim, 3539149aacc is me

Alexandre Passant: Zakim, 3539149aacc is me

15:04:53 <AlexPassant> I'll do it

Alexandre Passant: I'll do it

15:04:57 <Zakim> sorry, AlexPassant, I do not recognize a party named '3539149aacc'

Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, AlexPassant, I do not recognize a party named '3539149aacc'

15:04:58 <chimezie> Zakim, +1.216.636.aadd is me

Chimezie Ogbuji: Zakim, +1.216.636.aadd is me

15:05:02 <AxelPolleres> scribe: Alex Passant

(Scribe set to Alexandre Passant)

15:05:03 <Zakim> +chimezie; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +chimezie; got it

15:05:12 <AlexPassant> Zakim, +3539149aacc is me

Zakim, +3539149aacc is me

15:05:17 <Zakim> +AlexPassant; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +AlexPassant; got it

15:05:28 <AxelPolleres> http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/Agenda-2011-01-11

Axel Polleres: http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/Agenda-2011-01-11

15:06:11 <AlexPassant> topic: admin

1. admin

15:06:15 <AxelPolleres> PROPOSED: Approve minutes at http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/meeting/2010-12-21

PROPOSED: Approve minutes at http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/meeting/2010-12-21

15:06:17 <AlexPassant> AxelPolleres: approve minutes for the last meeting

Axel Polleres: approve minutes for the last meeting

15:06:19 <Zakim> + +44.164.235.aaee

Zakim IRC Bot: + +44.164.235.aaee

15:06:19 <AlexPassant> ... comments ?

... comments ?

15:06:42 <AxelPolleres> RESOLVED: Approve minutes at http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/meeting/2010-12-21

RESOLVED: Approve minutes at http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/meeting/2010-12-21

15:06:44 <AlexPassant> ... minutes approved

... minutes approved

15:06:52 <NickH> zakim, +44.164.235.aaee is me

Nicholas Humfrey: zakim, +44.164.235.aaee is me

15:06:52 <Zakim> +NickH; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +NickH; got it

15:06:56 <NickH> (I think)

Nicholas Humfrey: (I think)

15:07:08 <AlexPassant> ... current comments

... current comments

15:07:14 <AlexPassant> ... some comments over the break

... some comments over the break

15:07:23 <AlexPassant> ... draft responses that need approval

... draft responses that need approval

15:07:25 <AlexPassant> ... or discussion

... or discussion

15:07:39 <AxelPolleres> http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/CommentResponse:JP-2  from Andy

Axel Polleres: http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/CommentResponse:JP-2 from Andy

15:07:45 <AlexPassant> ... JP-2 - comment from AndyS

... JP-2 - comment from AndyS

15:08:06 <AndyS> LeeF has tentatively approved it.  ideally, want a second +1

Andy Seaborne: LeeF has tentatively approved it. ideally, want a second +1

15:08:06 <AlexPassant> ... next one, Ian Davis comment

... next one, Ian Davis comment

15:08:08 <AxelPolleres> http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/CommentResponse:ID-1

Axel Polleres: http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/CommentResponse:ID-1

15:08:13 <AlexPassant> ... response drafted from chimezie

... response drafted from chimezie

15:08:44 <SteveH> also http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/CommentResponse:DBeckett-1

Steve Harris: also http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/CommentResponse:DBeckett-1

15:08:44 <AlexPassant> ... discussion on the list around the comment

... discussion on the list around the comment

15:09:08 <AlexPassant> chimezie: one comment about the term "RDF knowledge"

Chimezie Ogbuji: one comment about the term "RDF knowledge"

15:09:28 <AlexPassant> ... beyond that, would be good to have input

... beyond that, would be good to have input

15:09:40 <AlexPassant> ... some things he asks are about graph storage

... some things he asks are about graph storage

15:09:42 <AxelPolleres> wait until we have resolved that terminology....

Axel Polleres: wait until we have resolved that terminology....

15:10:07 <AlexPassant> ... please people look at it and comment if you're not ok with it

... please people look at it and comment if you're not ok with it

15:10:50 <AxelPolleres> ACTION: update the comments table on the wiki and approach people for drafting responses

ACTION: update the comments table on the wiki and approach people for drafting responses

15:10:50 <trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - update

Trackbot IRC Bot: Sorry, couldn't find user - update

15:11:01 <AxelPolleres> ACTION: Axel to update the comments table on the wiki and approach people for drafting responses

ACTION: Axel to update the comments table on the wiki and approach people for drafting responses

15:11:01 <trackbot> Created ACTION-353 - Update the comments table on the wiki and approach people for drafting responses [on Axel Polleres - due 2011-01-18].

Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-353 - Update the comments table on the wiki and approach people for drafting responses [on Axel Polleres - due 2011-01-18].

15:11:10 <AlexPassant> ... next regular meeting in a week

... next regular meeting in a week

15:11:15 <AlexPassant> ... scribe : olivier

... scribe : olivier

15:11:39 <Zakim> -bglimm

Zakim IRC Bot: -bglimm

15:11:43 <AxelPolleres> topic: To Last Call

2. To Last Call

Summary: as for reviews, all reviews should cover substantive issues, structure, and editorial issues

15:11:52 <AxelPolleres> http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/To_Last_Call

Axel Polleres: http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/To_Last_Call

15:12:03 <AlexPassant> ... collecting topics on LC on the wiki

... collecting topics on LC on the wiki

15:12:07 <AlexPassant> ... ask ediors to complete this asap

... ask ediors to complete this asap

15:12:39 <AlexPassant> ... and mention what's missing

... and mention what's missing

15:12:46 <AlexPassant> ... query document

... query document

15:12:52 <AlexPassant> SteveH: 2 things on the TODO list

Steve Harris: 2 things on the TODO list

15:12:56 <AlexPassant> ... check subqueries

... check subqueries

15:13:03 <AlexPassant> ... english language

... english language

15:13:20 <SteveH> no

Steve Harris: no

15:13:24 <AndyS> Ah.

Andy Seaborne: Ah.

15:13:26 <Zakim> +??P50

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P50

15:13:36 <AndyS> Steve - theer is the formal section to complete for agg/group.

Andy Seaborne: Steve - theer is the formal section to complete for agg/group.

15:13:37 <bglimm> Zakim, ??P50 is me

Birte Glimm: Zakim, ??P50 is me

15:13:37 <Zakim> +bglimm; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +bglimm; got it

15:13:57 <bglimm> Zakim, mute me

Birte Glimm: Zakim, mute me

15:13:57 <Zakim> bglimm should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: bglimm should now be muted

15:14:02 <AxelPolleres> seems we can't hear andy

Axel Polleres: seems we can't hear andy

15:14:10 <chimezie> Zakim, mute me

Chimezie Ogbuji: Zakim, mute me

15:14:10 <Zakim> chimezie should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: chimezie should now be muted

15:14:11 <SteveH> AndyS, I think that's done, but feel free to point me to missing bits after the call

Steve Harris: AndyS, I think that's done, but feel free to point me to missing bits after the call

15:14:29 <NickH> <silence>

Nicholas Humfrey: <silence>

15:14:30 <AndyS> Steve - not in copy I see - the vars things don't line up yet.  Offline.

Andy Seaborne: Steve - not in copy I see - the vars things don't line up yet. Offline.

15:14:31 <AxelPolleres> andy, maybe redai, we can't heaer you it seems

Axel Polleres: andy, maybe redai, we can't heaer you it seems

15:14:37 <Zakim> -AndyS

Zakim IRC Bot: -AndyS

15:14:44 <Zakim> -NicoM

Zakim IRC Bot: -NicoM

15:14:55 <AlexPassant> AxelPolleres: comprehensie list of pending issues

Axel Polleres: comprehensie list of pending issues

15:15:09 <AlexPassant> ... any reviewer for the query document ?

... any reviewer for the query document ?

15:15:20 <LeeF> Me please

Lee Feigenbaum: Me please

15:15:20 <bglimm> I can review Query again

Birte Glimm: I can review Query again

15:15:22 <MattPerry> I can review it ... I just signed up

Matthew Perry: I can review it ... I just signed up

15:15:26 <LeeF> haha

Lee Feigenbaum: haha

15:15:29 <LeeF> everyone wants to review query!

Lee Feigenbaum: everyone wants to review query!

15:15:30 <AlexPassant> ... at leaast 2 reviews per document

... at leaast 2 reviews per document

15:15:42 <bglimm> Lots of volunteers ;-)

Birte Glimm: Lots of volunteers ;-)

15:15:45 <AlexPassant> ... LeeF , bglimm and MattPerry volunteer

... LeeF , bglimm and MattPerry volunteer

15:16:12 <AlexPassant> LeeF: sturctural changes, language changes ...

Lee Feigenbaum: sturctural changes, language changes ...

15:16:18 <AlexPassant> ... review to be as comprehensive as possible

... review to be as comprehensive as possible

15:16:38 <AlexPassant> AxelPolleres: next: update

Axel Polleres: next: update

15:17:03 <AxelPolleres> Alex: got an email from Andy on editorial comments ...

Alexandre Passant: got an email from Andy on editorial comments ... [ Scribe Assist by Axel Polleres ]

15:17:08 <Zakim> +??P15

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P15

15:17:10 <AxelPolleres> ... main thing missing formal model

Axel Polleres: ... main thing missing formal model

15:17:16 <AndyS> zakim, ??P15 is me

Andy Seaborne: zakim, ??P15 is me

15:17:16 <Zakim> +AndyS; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +AndyS; got it

15:18:07 <SteveH> ok to review update document

Steve Harris: ok to review update document

15:18:18 <AxelPolleres> ACTION: Alex to wiki-to-last-call doc regarding update

ACTION: Alex to wiki-to-last-call doc regarding update

15:18:18 <trackbot> Created ACTION-354 - Wiki-to-last-call doc regarding update  [on Alexandre Passant - due 2011-01-18].

Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-354 - Wiki-to-last-call doc regarding update [on Alexandre Passant - due 2011-01-18].

15:18:44 <AxelPolleres> Andy: did Alex take into account august comments

Andy Seaborne: did Alex take into account august comments [ Scribe Assist by Axel Polleres ]

15:18:47 <Zakim> +NicoM

Zakim IRC Bot: +NicoM

15:18:54 <AxelPolleres> Alex: should be, except if I missed something.

Alexandre Passant: should be, except if I missed something. [ Scribe Assist by Axel Polleres ]

15:19:44 <AxelPolleres> Axel: would help if you add names to each item on the wiki

Axel Polleres: would help if you add names to each item on the wiki [ Scribe Assist by Axel Polleres ]

15:20:04 <AlexPassant> AxelPolleres: next one: protocol

Axel Polleres: next one: protocol

15:20:10 <AlexPassant> ... wiki page on the formal protocol issues

... wiki page on the formal protocol issues

15:20:18 <AlexPassant> LeeF: wiki page still accurate

Lee Feigenbaum: wiki page still accurate

15:20:24 <AlexPassant> ... greg trying to help the protocol document

... greg trying to help the protocol document

15:20:44 <AxelPolleres> Greg will help on protocol, lee tries to help... great!

Axel Polleres: Greg will help on protocol, lee tries to help... great!

15:20:51 <AlexPassant> ... different things we want to support based on the last protocol TC

... different things we want to support based on the last protocol TC

15:20:56 <AlexPassant> ... direct POSTing of SPARQL update queries

... direct POSTing of SPARQL update queries

15:21:05 <AlexPassant> ... form-encoding conventions

... form-encoding conventions

15:21:19 <AlexPassant> ... done some research on how to use WSDL

... done some research on how to use WSDL

15:21:45 <AlexPassant> ... got comments on email and twitter

... got comments on email and twitter

15:21:58 <AlexPassant> ... in favor of being a HTTP only protocol for SPARQL 1.1

... in favor of being a HTTP only protocol for SPARQL 1.1

15:22:07 <AlexPassant> ... bindings to HTTP

... bindings to HTTP

15:22:20 <AlexPassant> ... anybody can go ahead with WSDL bindings

... anybody can go ahead with WSDL bindings

15:22:44 <AlexPassant> ... if protocol goes HTTP only, SOAP wont be a standard implementation

... if protocol goes HTTP only, SOAP wont be a standard implementation

15:22:52 <AlexPassant> ... need to decide if that's what the WG wants

... need to decide if that's what the WG wants

15:23:04 <AlexPassant> ... some additional degree of work on the protocol

... some additional degree of work on the protocol

15:23:20 <AlexPassant> AxelPolleres: we have that later on the agenda

Axel Polleres: we have that later on the agenda

15:23:23 <AlexPassant> ... but can discuss now

... but can discuss now

15:23:45 <AlexPassant> ... any open question

... any open question

15:23:50 <AlexPassant> .. or everyone fine for that solution

... or everyone fine for that solution

15:24:02 <AlexPassant> ... drop WSDL in SPARQL protocol and got an HTTP only protocol

... drop WSDL in SPARQL protocol and got an HTTP only protocol

15:24:06 <LeeF> Proposal would be to drop WSDL from the SPARQL 1.1 Protocol and define the protocol only as an HTTP protocol

Lee Feigenbaum: Proposal would be to drop WSDL from the SPARQL 1.1 Protocol and define the protocol only as an HTTP protocol

15:24:26 <AlexPassant> s/.. or/... or/
15:24:36 <AlexPassant> LeeF: anybody will be concerned about dropping it ?

Lee Feigenbaum: anybody will be concerned about dropping it ?

15:24:37 <AxelPolleres> PROPOSED: to drop WSDL from the SPARQL 1.1 Protocol and define the protocol only as an HTTP protocol

PROPOSED: to drop WSDL from the SPARQL 1.1 Protocol and define the protocol only as an HTTP protocol

15:24:46 <chimezie> second

Chimezie Ogbuji: second

15:24:47 <bglimm> +1

Birte Glimm: +1

15:24:48 <AndyS> seconded

Andy Seaborne: seconded

15:24:53 <AlexPassant> +1

+1

15:24:54 <cbuilara> +1

Carlos Buil Aranda: +1

15:25:15 <SteveH> +0.5

Steve Harris: +0.5

15:25:21 <NickH> +1

Nicholas Humfrey: +1

15:26:08 <AxelPolleres> RESOLVED: to drop WSDL from the SPARQL 1.1 Protocol and define the protocol only as an HTTP protocol

RESOLVED: to drop WSDL from the SPARQL 1.1 Protocol and define the protocol only as an HTTP protocol

15:26:11 <AndyS> q+

Andy Seaborne: q+

15:26:30 <AxelPolleres> (no objections)

Axel Polleres: (no objections)

15:27:25 <AlexPassant> AndyS: JSON and protocol issues

Andy Seaborne: JSON and protocol issues

15:27:34 <SteveH> JSONP I think

Steve Harris: JSONP I think

15:27:36 <AlexPassant> LeeF: issue with cross-domain

Lee Feigenbaum: issue with cross-domain

15:27:43 <kasei> q+

Gregory Williams: q+

15:27:53 <AndyS> ack AndyS

Andy Seaborne: ack AndyS

15:28:03 <AlexPassant> ... adding to the protocol page

... adding to the protocol page

15:28:22 <Zakim> -bglimm

Zakim IRC Bot: -bglimm

15:28:42 <AlexPassant> kasei: would not pursue it

Gregory Williams: would not pursue it

15:28:47 <AlexPassant> ... and consider CORS

... and consider CORS

15:28:56 <SteveH> CORS is a while oof being widely available

Steve Harris: CORS is a while oof being widely available

15:29:07 <SteveH> *off

Steve Harris: *off

15:29:49 <SteveH> it's been around since FF3.5 / Safari 4

Steve Harris: it's been around since FF3.5 / Safari 4

15:29:55 <AlexPassant> AxelPolleres: objections or support ?

Axel Polleres: objections or support ?

15:30:10 <Zakim> +??P52

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P52

15:30:16 <bglimm> Zakim, ??P52 is me

Birte Glimm: Zakim, ??P52 is me

15:30:16 <Zakim> +bglimm; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +bglimm; got it

15:30:18 <AlexPassant> http://enable-cors.org/

http://enable-cors.org/

15:30:21 <bglimm> Zakim, mute me

Birte Glimm: Zakim, mute me

15:30:21 <Zakim> bglimm should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: bglimm should now be muted

15:30:32 <AndyS> agree with SteveH -- CORS is done (std) but deployment rollout is the issue (browsers and servers)

Andy Seaborne: agree with SteveH -- CORS is done (std) but deployment rollout is the issue (browsers and servers)

15:30:44 <AxelPolleres>  q?

Axel Polleres: q?

15:30:55 <AlexPassant> sandro: no ise of the deployement timeframe

Sandro Hawke: no ise of the deployement timeframe

15:31:06 <AlexPassant> ... whether users and JS developers will be happy to use that

... whether users and JS developers will be happy to use that

15:31:18 <AlexPassant> AxelPolleres: leave that open for the moment

Axel Polleres: leave that open for the moment

15:31:26 <AlexPassant> ... not sure we can include in the protocol doc

... not sure we can include in the protocol doc

15:31:34 <AlexPassant> sandro: we could put it at risk and ask for comments

Sandro Hawke: we could put it at risk and ask for comments

15:31:47 <kasei> regarding "at risk", it's not in the doc right now, and I'm the only one who brought up the issue.

Gregory Williams: regarding "at risk", it's not in the doc right now, and I'm the only one who brought up the issue.

15:33:08 <AlexPassant> kasei: no one has brought the issue yet

Gregory Williams: no one has brought the issue yet

15:33:42 <AlexPassant> AxelPolleres: reviewers for protocol

Axel Polleres: reviewers for protocol

15:33:55 <LeeF> We need at least 2 reviewers.

Lee Feigenbaum: We need at least 2 reviewers.

15:33:57 <cbuilara> I can review

Carlos Buil Aranda: I can review

15:34:09 <AlexPassant> ... AndyS agreed

... AndyS agreed

15:34:19 <AlexPassant> ... cbuilara agreed

... cbuilara agreed

15:34:29 <AlexPassant> ... next document : service description

... next document : service description

15:34:48 <AlexPassant> kasei: most issues taken into account

Gregory Williams: most issues taken into account

15:34:52 <AlexPassant> ... few editorial issues remaining

... few editorial issues remaining

15:35:03 <AlexPassant> ... aligning links between service description and protocol document

... aligning links between service description and protocol document

15:35:46 <AlexPassant> AxelPolleres: closed to be reviewed

Axel Polleres: closed to be reviewed

15:35:58 <AlexPassant> ... LeeF volunteer. needs another one

... LeeF volunteer. needs another one

15:36:31 <NicoM> ok

Nico Michaelis: ok

15:36:47 <AlexPassant> ... NicoM agreed

... NicoM agreed

15:37:33 <AlexPassant> kasei: reviews could start soon

Gregory Williams: reviews could start soon

15:37:52 <AxelPolleres> ACTION: Lee to review SD documents for LC

ACTION: Lee to review SD documents for LC

15:37:52 <trackbot> Created ACTION-355 - Review SD documents for LC [on Lee Feigenbaum - due 2011-01-18].

Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-355 - Review SD documents for LC [on Lee Feigenbaum - due 2011-01-18].

15:37:57 <AxelPolleres> ACTION: Nico to review SD documents for LC

ACTION: Nico to review SD documents for LC

15:37:57 <trackbot> Created ACTION-356 - Review SD documents for LC [on Nico Michaelis - due 2011-01-18].

Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-356 - Review SD documents for LC [on Nico Michaelis - due 2011-01-18].

15:38:13 <Zakim> -AlexPassant

Zakim IRC Bot: -AlexPassant

15:38:14 <Zakim> -SteveH

Zakim IRC Bot: -SteveH

15:38:19 <chimezie> Zakim, unmute me

Chimezie Ogbuji: Zakim, unmute me

15:38:19 <Zakim> chimezie should no longer be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: chimezie should no longer be muted

15:38:45 <AxelPolleres> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2010OctDec/0529.html

Axel Polleres: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2010OctDec/0529.html

15:39:04 <bglimm> Zakim, who is on the phone?

Birte Glimm: Zakim, who is on the phone?

15:39:04 <Zakim> On the phone I see cbuilara, AxelPolleres, kasei, LeeF, MattPerry, Sandro, chimezie, NickH, AndyS, NicoM, bglimm (muted)

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see cbuilara, AxelPolleres, kasei, LeeF, MattPerry, Sandro, chimezie, NickH, AndyS, NicoM, bglimm (muted)

15:39:49 <AxelPolleres> Steve, Andy, SteveH agreed a solution

Axel Polleres: Steve, Andy, SteveH agreed a solution

15:40:02 <Zakim> +AlexPassant

Zakim IRC Bot: +AlexPassant

15:40:40 <AndyS> http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/track/issues/63

Andy Seaborne: http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/track/issues/63

15:41:09 <AxelPolleres> PROPOSED: Close ISSUE-63 based on ?default syntax for handling updates to default graph

PROPOSED: Close ISSUE-63 based on ?default syntax for handling updates to default graph

15:41:20 <AlexPassant> AxelPolleres: default graphs in update

Axel Polleres: default graphs in update

15:41:39 <AlexPassant> chimezie: query component with ?default

Chimezie Ogbuji: query component with ?default

15:41:44 <Zakim> +??P30

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P30

15:41:50 <bglimm> Zakim, ??P30 is me

Birte Glimm: Zakim, ??P30 is me

15:41:50 <Zakim> +bglimm; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +bglimm; got it

15:41:50 <AlexPassant> ... understood that operation applies to the default graph context

... understood that operation applies to the default graph context

15:41:53 <bglimm> Zakim, mute me

Birte Glimm: Zakim, mute me

15:41:53 <Zakim> bglimm was already muted, bglimm

Zakim IRC Bot: bglimm was already muted, bglimm

15:41:57 <AndyS> seconded

Andy Seaborne: seconded

15:41:59 <AxelPolleres> q?

Axel Polleres: q?

15:42:05 <kasei> q-

Gregory Williams: q-

15:42:12 <SteveH> +1

Steve Harris: +1

15:42:15 <chimezie> +1

Chimezie Ogbuji: +1

15:42:35 <AxelPolleres> RESOLVED: Close ISSUE-63 based on ?default syntax for handling updates to default graph

RESOLVED: Close ISSUE-63 based on ?default syntax for handling updates to default graph

15:42:44 <AxelPolleres> close ISSUE-63

Axel Polleres: close ISSUE-63

15:42:44 <trackbot> ISSUE-63 Handling of default graph in HTTP update protocol closed

Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-63 Handling of default graph in HTTP update protocol closed

15:42:57 <AndyS> zakim, who is speaking?

Andy Seaborne: zakim, who is speaking?

15:43:05 <AxelPolleres> Zakim, who is speaking?

Axel Polleres: Zakim, who is speaking?

15:43:08 <Zakim> AndyS, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Phil (5%), bglimm.a (51%)

Zakim IRC Bot: AndyS, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Phil (5%), bglimm.a (51%)

15:43:18 <Zakim> AxelPolleres, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Phil (5%), AxelPolleres (19%), bglimm.a (57%)

Zakim IRC Bot: AxelPolleres, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Phil (5%), AxelPolleres (19%), bglimm.a (57%)

15:43:18 <AxelPolleres> Zakim, mute bglimm.a

Axel Polleres: Zakim, mute bglimm.a

15:43:20 <Zakim> bglimm.a should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: bglimm.a should now be muted

15:43:23 <bglimm> Zakim, mute me

Birte Glimm: Zakim, mute me

15:43:23 <Zakim> bglimm was already muted, bglimm

Zakim IRC Bot: bglimm was already muted, bglimm

15:43:32 <Zakim> -bglimm

Zakim IRC Bot: -bglimm

15:43:36 <bglimm> I am now bglimm and bglimm.a :-(

Birte Glimm: I am now bglimm and bglimm.a :-(

15:43:38 <AlexPassant> AxelPolleres: next one on the title of the document

Axel Polleres: next one on the title of the document

15:43:48 <AxelPolleres> Thoughts on Dave Beckett's comments re: name? (search for "uniform" in http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg-comments/2010Dec/0001.html)

Axel Polleres: Thoughts on Dave Beckett's comments re: name? (search for "uniform" in http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg-comments/2010Dec/0001.html)

15:43:53 <bglimm> Zakim, bglimm.a is bglimm

Birte Glimm: Zakim, bglimm.a is bglimm

15:43:53 <Zakim> +bglimm; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +bglimm; got it

15:43:54 <AlexPassant> ... based on Dave Beckett comment

... based on Dave Beckett comment

15:43:59 <AlexPassant> chimezie: David gave one

Chimezie Ogbuji: David gave one

15:44:03 <AlexPassant> ... agreed to make it shorter

... agreed to make it shorter

15:44:17 <AlexPassant> ... suggestion "SPARQL 1.1 RDF graph management protocol"

... suggestion "SPARQL 1.1 RDF graph management protocol"

15:44:24 <AndyS> The word "management" is also a bit odd to me.  "management" does not associate with GET to me.

Andy Seaborne: The word "management" is also a bit odd to me. "management" does not associate with GET to me.

15:44:33 <LeeF> SPARQL 1.1 Basically RESTful But Maybe Not Strictly RESTful HTTP Protocol

Lee Feigenbaum: SPARQL 1.1 Basically RESTful But Maybe Not Strictly RESTful HTTP Protocol

15:44:36 <AlexPassant> ... concrete suggestion would be "SPARQL 1.1 HTTP protocol for managing RDF (graphs)"

... concrete suggestion would be "SPARQL 1.1 HTTP protocol for managing RDF (graphs)"

15:44:46 <AndyS> SPARQL 1.1 RESTful graph protocol.

Andy Seaborne: SPARQL 1.1 RESTful graph protocol.

15:45:10 <AlexPassant> SPARQL 1.1 HTTP protocol

SPARQL 1.1 HTTP protocol

15:45:42 <SteveH> PARQL 1.1 HTTP graph protocol

Steve Harris: PARQL 1.1 HTTP graph protocol

15:45:45 <LeeF> What about removing "SPARQL 1.1" from the name?

Lee Feigenbaum: What about removing "SPARQL 1.1" from the name?

15:45:49 <AxelPolleres> SPARQL 1.1 RESTful graph management protocol

Axel Polleres: SPARQL 1.1 RESTful graph management protocol

15:45:56 <chimezie> my suggestion "SPARQL 1.1 HTTP Graph Management Protocol"

Chimezie Ogbuji: my suggestion "SPARQL 1.1 HTTP Graph Management Protocol"

15:45:57 <AndyS> +1 to SteveH

Andy Seaborne: +1 to SteveH

15:45:57 <kasei> SteveH, haha

Gregory Williams: SteveH, haha

15:46:04 <SteveH> you don't need RESTful, and protocol

Steve Harris: you don't need RESTful, and protocol

15:46:39 <SteveH> ...but it's not clear without

Steve Harris: ...but it's not clear without

15:46:56 <AxelPolleres> RDF graph management protocol

Axel Polleres: RDF graph management protocol

15:47:20 <SteveH> SPARQL is kind of a brand

Steve Harris: SPARQL is kind of a brand

15:47:28 <SteveH> helps users know what to expect

Steve Harris: helps users know what to expect

15:47:48 <AndyS> And spec uses SPARQL Update for defn.

Andy Seaborne: And spec uses SPARQL Update for defn.

15:47:48 <AxelPolleres> ACTION: Chime to collect name suggestions for HTTP protocol and arrive with proposal for title until next TC

ACTION: Chime to collect name suggestions for HTTP protocol and arrive with proposal for title until next TC

15:47:48 <trackbot> Created ACTION-357 - Collect name suggestions for HTTP protocol and arrive with proposal for title until next TC [on Chimezie Ogbuji - due 2011-01-18].

Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-357 - Collect name suggestions for HTTP protocol and arrive with proposal for title until next TC [on Chimezie Ogbuji - due 2011-01-18].

15:48:23 <AxelPolleres> http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/To_Last_Call

Axel Polleres: http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/To_Last_Call

15:48:32 <AlexPassant> AxelPolleres: next document : entailement regime

Axel Polleres: next document : entailement regime

15:48:36 <AlexPassant> ... no issues recorded

... no issues recorded

15:48:41 <AxelPolleres> Birte?

Axel Polleres: Birte?

15:48:42 <bglimm> yes

Birte Glimm: yes

15:48:46 <bglimm> Zakim, unmute me

Birte Glimm: Zakim, unmute me

15:48:46 <Zakim> bglimm should no longer be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: bglimm should no longer be muted

15:49:13 <AlexPassant> bglimm: document can be reviewed

Birte Glimm: document can be reviewed

15:49:25 <bglimm> Zakim, mute me

Birte Glimm: Zakim, mute me

15:49:25 <Zakim> bglimm should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: bglimm should now be muted

15:49:27 <AlexPassant> AxelPolleres: reviewers for the HTTP protocol document

Axel Polleres: reviewers for the HTTP protocol document

15:49:49 <AlexPassant> ... AndyS already agreed

... AndyS already agreed

15:49:56 <NickH> I am a bit short of time

Nicholas Humfrey: I am a bit short of time

15:49:59 <NickH> but I will try

Nicholas Humfrey: but I will try

15:50:03 <SteveH> I can do it, probably

Steve Harris: I can do it, probably

15:50:06 <AlexPassant> ... NickH agreed

... NickH agreed

15:50:06 <AndyS> q+ to ask about when reviewing can start (all docs)

Andy Seaborne: q+ to ask about when reviewing can start (all docs)

15:50:11 <AlexPassant> ... SteveH agreed

... SteveH agreed

15:50:34 <LeeF> when the editors say "go"

Lee Feigenbaum: when the editors say "go"

15:51:00 <AlexPassant> ... want to start reviews as soon as docs are ready

... want to start reviews as soon as docs are ready

15:51:37 <bglimm> Yes

Birte Glimm: Yes

15:52:13 <LeeF> I will ask Kendall.

Lee Feigenbaum: I will ask Kendall.

15:52:22 <bglimm> +1

Birte Glimm: +1

15:52:27 <AlexPassant> ... volunteer for entailement ?

... volunteer for entailement ?

15:52:37 <AxelPolleres> ACTION: leeF to ask kendall for review of the Entailment regimes doc

ACTION: leeF to ask kendall for review of the Entailment regimes doc

15:52:37 <trackbot> Created ACTION-358 - Ask kendall for review of the Entailment regimes doc [on Lee Feigenbaum - due 2011-01-18].

Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-358 - Ask kendall for review of the Entailment regimes doc [on Lee Feigenbaum - due 2011-01-18].

15:53:31 <MattPerry> I can ask around for another team member here at Oracle

Matthew Perry: I can ask around for another team member here at Oracle

15:53:45 <MattPerry> ok

Matthew Perry: ok

15:54:02 <AxelPolleres> ACTION: Matt to find someone in Oracle to review entailment regimes doc

ACTION: Matt to find someone in Oracle to review entailment regimes doc

15:54:02 <trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - Matt

Trackbot IRC Bot: Sorry, couldn't find user - Matt

15:54:56 <AxelPolleres> ACTION: Matthew to find someone in Oracle to review entailment regimes doc

ACTION: Matthew to find someone in Oracle to review entailment regimes doc

15:54:56 <trackbot> Created ACTION-359 - Find someone in Oracle to review entailment regimes doc [on Matthew Perry - due 2011-01-18].

Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-359 - Find someone in Oracle to review entailment regimes doc [on Matthew Perry - due 2011-01-18].

15:57:12 <AxelPolleres> next document: federated query

Axel Polleres: next document: federated query

15:57:30 <AlexPassant> ... issues will be summarised by email

... issues will be summarised by email

15:57:45 <AxelPolleres> ACTION: Carlos to summarise and discuss Fed query issue on silent on mail

ACTION: Carlos to summarise and discuss Fed query issue on silent on mail

15:57:45 <trackbot> Created ACTION-360 - Summarise and discuss Fed query issue on silent on mail [on Carlos Buil Aranda - due 2011-01-18].

Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-360 - Summarise and discuss Fed query issue on silent on mail [on Carlos Buil Aranda - due 2011-01-18].

15:58:59 <AlexPassant> kasei: put a call for comments and no response

Gregory Williams: put a call for comments and no response

15:59:02 <AlexPassant> ... so probably good

... so probably good

15:59:16 <AlexPassant> AxelPolleres: reviewing should be eary

Axel Polleres: reviewing should be eary

16:00:06 <Zakim> -LeeF

Zakim IRC Bot: -LeeF

16:00:36 <SteveH> bye

Steve Harris: bye

16:00:38 <AlexPassant> bye

bye

16:00:39 <MattPerry> bye

Matthew Perry: bye

16:00:39 <Zakim> -chimezie

Zakim IRC Bot: -chimezie

16:00:39 <Zakim> -cbuilara

Zakim IRC Bot: -cbuilara

16:00:40 <bglimm> bye

Birte Glimm: bye

16:00:41 <cbuilara> bye

Carlos Buil Aranda: bye

16:00:42 <Zakim> -Sandro

Zakim IRC Bot: -Sandro

16:00:43 <NicoM> bye

Nico Michaelis: bye

16:00:44 <Zakim> -NickH

Zakim IRC Bot: -NickH

16:00:45 <Zakim> -bglimm

Zakim IRC Bot: -bglimm

16:00:46 <Zakim> -MattPerry

Zakim IRC Bot: -MattPerry

16:00:47 <Zakim> -kasei

Zakim IRC Bot: -kasei

16:00:50 <Zakim> -AndyS

Zakim IRC Bot: -AndyS

16:01:05 <AlexPassant> rrsagent, create minutes

rrsagent, create minutes

16:01:05 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/01/11-sparql-minutes.html AlexPassant

RRSAgent IRC Bot: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/01/11-sparql-minutes.html AlexPassant

16:01:31 <Zakim> -AlexPassant

Zakim IRC Bot: -AlexPassant

16:02:20 <AxelPolleres> rrsagent, make records public

Axel Polleres: rrsagent, make records public

16:03:15 <SteveH> AndyS, where did you get application/ from? I don't see it anywhere in docs/update-1.1/Overview.xml

Steve Harris: AndyS, where did you get application/ from? I don't see it anywhere in docs/update-1.1/Overview.xml

16:03:23 <AlexPassant> AxelPolleres: can you remind me how I move the minutes to http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/Chatlog_2011-01-11 ?

Axel Polleres: can you remind me how I move the minutes to http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/Chatlog_2011-01-11 ?

16:03:29 <AxelPolleres> summary: as for reviews, all  reviews should cover substantive issues, structure, and editorial issues
16:03:51 <AxelPolleres> Zakim , make records public

Axel Polleres: Zakim , make records public

16:04:12 <AxelPolleres> Alex, go to http://www.w3.org/2009/CommonScribe/

Axel Polleres: Alex, go to http://www.w3.org/2009/CommonScribe/

16:04:28 <AndyS> Ah - it's application/ in the results doc.

Andy Seaborne: Ah - it's application/ in the results doc.

16:04:31 <SteveH> AndyS, ah, it's in http-rdf-update

Steve Harris: AndyS, ah, it's in http-rdf-update

16:04:34 <AxelPolleres> ... control panel ... all quite self-explanatory

Axel Polleres: ... control panel ... all quite self-explanatory

16:04:42 <AxelPolleres> ... HTH

Axel Polleres: ... HTH

16:04:46 <AndyS> I don't mind much but I understood that text/ was hard to register.

Andy Seaborne: I don't mind much but I understood that text/ was hard to register.

16:05:00 <AxelPolleres> alex, ping me if trouble thanks for scribing

Axel Polleres: alex, ping me if trouble thanks for scribing

16:05:00 <SteveH> could be, not really my area

Steve Harris: could be, not really my area

16:05:03 <Zakim> -AxelPolleres

Zakim IRC Bot: -AxelPolleres

16:05:15 <SteveH> but I was under the impression that text/ should be used for anything human readable

Steve Harris: but I was under the impression that text/ should be used for anything human readable

16:05:19 <SteveH> will mail the list

Steve Harris: will mail the list

16:05:43 <Zakim> -NicoM

Zakim IRC Bot: -NicoM

16:05:44 <Zakim> SW_(SPARQL)10:00AM has ended

Zakim IRC Bot: SW_(SPARQL)10:00AM has ended

16:05:46 <Zakim> Attendees were bglimm, SteveH, AxelPolleres, cbuilara, AndyS, kasei, +49.911.973.4.aaaa, NicoM, LeeF, +1.603.897.aabb, MattPerry, Sandro, chimezie, AlexPassant, NickH, Phil

Zakim IRC Bot: Attendees were bglimm, SteveH, AxelPolleres, cbuilara, AndyS, kasei, +49.911.973.4.aaaa, NicoM, LeeF, +1.603.897.aabb, MattPerry, Sandro, chimezie, AlexPassant, NickH, Phil

16:06:00 <AndyS> Minor - point of ref: It's "application/json" (formally)

Andy Seaborne: Minor - point of ref: It's "application/json" (formally)

16:06:08 <SteveH> AndyS, hm, it's application/sparql-results+xml, which would be correct

Steve Harris: AndyS, hm, it's application/sparql-results+xml, which would be correct

16:06:11 <kasei> doesn't text/ come with a close tie to being ascii?  i didn't think text/ media types could default to utf encodings.

Gregory Williams: doesn't text/ come with a close tie to being ascii? i didn't think text/ media types could default to utf encodings.

16:06:24 <SteveH> text/turtle does

Steve Harris: text/turtle does

16:06:27 <AndyS> kasei, good point

Andy Seaborne: kasei, good point

16:06:33 <AndyS> text/turtle is not registered.

Andy Seaborne: text/turtle is not registered.

16:06:35 <kasei> i didn't think text/turtle was official

Gregory Williams: i didn't think text/turtle was official

16:06:39 <SteveH> not yet, no

Steve Harris: not yet, no

16:07:30 <AndyS> http://www.iana.org/assignments/media-types/text/

Andy Seaborne: http://www.iana.org/assignments/media-types/text/

16:07:36 <SteveH> it's application/x-turtle, pending registration

Steve Harris: it's application/x-turtle, pending registration

16:07:57 <AndyS> That is nowadyas bad style.  Hard to switch to non x- form.

Andy Seaborne: That is nowadyas bad style. Hard to switch to non x- form.



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