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14:52:06 <RRSAgent> logging to http://www.w3.org/2010/12/14-sparql-irc
RRSAgent IRC Bot: logging to http://www.w3.org/2010/12/14-sparql-irc ←
14:52:23 <AxelPolleres> Zakim, this will be SPARQL
Axel Polleres: Zakim, this will be SPARQL ←
14:52:23 <Zakim> ok, AxelPolleres; I see SW_(SPARQL)10:00AM scheduled to start in 8 minutes
Zakim IRC Bot: ok, AxelPolleres; I see SW_(SPARQL)10:00AM scheduled to start in 8 minutes ←
14:57:22 <Zakim> SW_(SPARQL)10:00AM has now started
Zakim IRC Bot: SW_(SPARQL)10:00AM has now started ←
14:57:29 <Zakim> +??P5
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P5 ←
14:57:42 <cbuilara> Zakim, ??P5 is me
Carlos Buil Aranda: Zakim, ??P5 is me ←
14:57:42 <Zakim> +cbuilara; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +cbuilara; got it ←
14:58:20 <Zakim> +??P10
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P10 ←
14:58:33 <NickH> Zakim, ??P10 is me
Nicholas Humfrey: Zakim, ??P10 is me ←
14:58:33 <Zakim> +NickH; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +NickH; got it ←
14:58:54 <Zakim> +OlivierCorby
Zakim IRC Bot: +OlivierCorby ←
14:59:27 <Zakim> +kasei
Zakim IRC Bot: +kasei ←
15:00:03 <AxelPolleres> trackbot, start meeting
Axel Polleres: trackbot, start meeting ←
15:00:05 <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs world
Trackbot IRC Bot: RRSAgent, make logs world ←
15:00:07 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be 77277
Trackbot IRC Bot: Zakim, this will be 77277 ←
15:00:07 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see SW_(SPARQL)10:00AM scheduled to start now
Zakim IRC Bot: ok, trackbot; I see SW_(SPARQL)10:00AM scheduled to start now ←
15:00:08 <trackbot> Meeting: SPARQL Working Group Teleconference
15:00:08 <trackbot> Date: 14 December 2010
15:00:20 <bglimm> Zakim, who is on the phone?
Birte Glimm: Zakim, who is on the phone? ←
15:00:21 <AxelPolleres> Zakim, who is on the phone?
Axel Polleres: Zakim, who is on the phone? ←
15:00:23 <Zakim> I notice SW_(SPARQL)10:00AM has restarted
Zakim IRC Bot: I notice SW_(SPARQL)10:00AM has restarted ←
15:00:24 <Zakim> On the phone I see cbuilara, NickH, OlivierCorby, kasei, Sandro
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see cbuilara, NickH, OlivierCorby, kasei, Sandro ←
15:00:25 <Zakim> On the phone I see cbuilara, NickH, OlivierCorby, kasei, Sandro
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see cbuilara, NickH, OlivierCorby, kasei, Sandro ←
15:00:26 <Zakim> +??P18
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P18 ←
15:00:33 <AndyS> zakim, PP18 is me
Andy Seaborne: zakim, PP18 is me ←
15:00:33 <Zakim> sorry, AndyS, I do not recognize a party named 'PP18'
Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, AndyS, I do not recognize a party named 'PP18' ←
15:00:40 <AndyS> zakim, P18 is me
Andy Seaborne: zakim, P18 is me ←
15:00:40 <Zakim> sorry, AndyS, I do not recognize a party named 'P18'
Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, AndyS, I do not recognize a party named 'P18' ←
15:00:44 <Zakim> +AxelPolleres
Zakim IRC Bot: +AxelPolleres ←
15:00:44 <Zakim> +Chimezie_Ogbuji
Zakim IRC Bot: +Chimezie_Ogbuji ←
15:00:50 <AndyS> zakim, ??P18 is me
Andy Seaborne: zakim, ??P18 is me ←
15:00:50 <Zakim> +AndyS; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +AndyS; got it ←
15:01:05 <chimezie> Zakim, mute me
Chimezie Ogbuji: Zakim, mute me ←
15:01:05 <Zakim> Chimezie_Ogbuji should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: Chimezie_Ogbuji should now be muted ←
15:01:16 <Zakim> +MattPerry
Zakim IRC Bot: +MattPerry ←
15:01:17 <Zakim> -Sandro
Zakim IRC Bot: -Sandro ←
15:01:25 <bglimm> Zakim, who am I?
Birte Glimm: Zakim, who am I? ←
15:01:27 <Zakim> I don't understand your question, bglimm.
Zakim IRC Bot: I don't understand your question, bglimm. ←
15:01:45 <bglimm> Zakim, who is on the phone?
Birte Glimm: Zakim, who is on the phone? ←
15:01:53 <Zakim> On the phone I see cbuilara, NickH, OlivierCorby, kasei, AndyS, AxelPolleres, Chimezie_Ogbuji (muted), MattPerry
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see cbuilara, NickH, OlivierCorby, kasei, AndyS, AxelPolleres, Chimezie_Ogbuji (muted), MattPerry ←
15:01:59 <Zakim> + +1.617.489.aaaa
Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.617.489.aaaa ←
15:02:08 <sandro> zakim, +1.617.489.aaaa is Sandr
Sandro Hawke: zakim, +1.617.489.aaaa is Sandr ←
15:02:22 <Zakim> +Sandr; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +Sandr; got it ←
15:02:27 <sandro> zakim, Sandr is Sandro
Sandro Hawke: zakim, Sandr is Sandro ←
15:02:29 <AxelPolleres> Zakim, who is on the phone?
Axel Polleres: Zakim, who is on the phone? ←
15:02:40 <Zakim> +Sandro; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +Sandro; got it ←
15:02:43 <AxelPolleres> ack AxelPolleres
Axel Polleres: ack AxelPolleres ←
15:02:47 <Zakim> On the phone I see cbuilara, NickH, OlivierCorby, kasei, AndyS, AxelPolleres, Chimezie_Ogbuji (muted), MattPerry, Sandro
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see cbuilara, NickH, OlivierCorby, kasei, AndyS, AxelPolleres, Chimezie_Ogbuji (muted), MattPerry, Sandro ←
15:02:50 <AxelPolleres> q-
Axel Polleres: q- ←
15:02:54 <AxelPolleres> q?
Axel Polleres: q? ←
15:02:57 <Zakim> +pgearon
Zakim IRC Bot: +pgearon ←
15:04:10 <AxelPolleres> agenda: http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/Agenda-2010-12-14
15:04:16 <AxelPolleres> chair: axel Polleres
15:04:27 <Zakim> +bglimm; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +bglimm; got it ←
15:04:45 <AxelPolleres> scribe: Birte Glimm
(Scribe set to Birte Glimm)
15:05:01 <AxelPolleres> PROPOSED: Approve minutes at http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/meeting/2010-12-07
PROPOSED: Approve minutes at http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/meeting/2010-12-07 ←
15:05:01 <bglimm> Topic: Admin
15:05:31 <bglimm> AxelPolleres: Any comments?
Axel Polleres: Any comments? ←
15:05:35 <NickH> missing the word Agenda
Nicholas Humfrey: missing the word Agenda ←
15:05:39 <chimezie> "Sorry, Not Found"
Chimezie Ogbuji: "Sorry, Not Found" ←
15:05:45 <bglimm> Chimezie: I don't get any minutes there.
Chimezie Ogbuji: I don't get any minutes there. ←
15:06:22 <bglimm> AxelPolleres: I'll check and we approve them next time
Axel Polleres: I'll check and we approve them next time ←
15:06:30 <AxelPolleres> ACTION: axel to check minutes from last time
ACTION: axel to check minutes from last time ←
15:06:30 <trackbot> Created ACTION-342 - Check minutes from last time [on Axel Polleres - due 2010-12-21].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-342 - Check minutes from last time [on Axel Polleres - due 2010-12-21]. ←
15:06:44 <bglimm> Topic: Comments
15:07:00 <sandro> (the IRC log isnt even on the wiki where it should be at http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/Chatlog_2010-12-07 )
Sandro Hawke: (the IRC log isnt even on the wiki where it should be at http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/Chatlog_2010-12-07 ) ←
15:07:10 <bglimm> AxelPolleres: Please try to get comments approved and send
Axel Polleres: Please try to get comments approved and send ←
15:07:40 <bglimm> ... next meeting in a week
... next meeting in a week ←
15:07:57 <bglimm> ... Olivier is next on the scribe list
... Olivier is next on the scribe list ←
15:08:12 <bglimm> Olivier: I am not sure I can attend next week
Olivier Corby: I am not sure I can attend next week ←
15:08:37 <bglimm> Topic: Report from the protocol teleconf
15:09:11 <AxelPolleres> summary is http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/Protocol plus the minutes at http://www.w3.org/2010/12/08-sparql-minutes.html
Axel Polleres: summary is http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/Protocol plus the minutes at http://www.w3.org/2010/12/08-sparql-minutes.html ←
15:09:15 <bglimm> Greg: We talked about 5 issues
Gregory Williams: We talked about 5 issues ←
15:09:34 <bglimm> ... first content format for update request
... first content format for update request ←
15:10:00 <bglimm> .... a) string with key-value pairs or b) a raw format with appropriate media type
.... a) string with key-value pairs or b) a raw format with appropriate media type ←
15:10:23 <Zakim> -AndyS
Zakim IRC Bot: -AndyS ←
15:10:24 <AxelPolleres> alex, can u scribe next week?
Axel Polleres: alex, can u scribe next week? ←
15:10:31 <bglimm> ... ability to pass extra arguments like the default dataset
... ability to pass extra arguments like the default dataset ←
15:10:45 <Zakim> +AlexPassant
Zakim IRC Bot: +AlexPassant ←
15:10:47 <bglimm> ... and how that can be done
... and how that can be done ←
15:10:51 <AndyS> zakim, why did you cut me off?
Andy Seaborne: zakim, why did you cut me off? ←
15:10:51 <Zakim> I don't understand your question, AndyS.
Zakim IRC Bot: I don't understand your question, AndyS. ←
15:10:59 <AlexPassant> AxelPolleres: no I have to send regrets for next week sorry
Axel Polleres: no I have to send regrets for next week sorry [ Scribe Assist by Alexandre Passant ] ←
15:11:02 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
Zakim IRC Bot: +[IPcaller] ←
15:11:04 <bglimm> ... we'll add a note to the doc to ask for feedback
... we'll add a note to the doc to ask for feedback ←
15:11:06 <Zakim> -[IPcaller]
Zakim IRC Bot: -[IPcaller] ←
15:11:24 <bglimm> ... related to issue 60 is what is in the response to an update
... related to ISSUE-60 is what is in the response to an update ←
15:11:28 <Zakim> +??P44
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P44 ←
15:11:35 <AndyS> zakim, ??P44 is me
Andy Seaborne: zakim, ??P44 is me ←
15:11:35 <Zakim> +AndyS; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +AndyS; got it ←
15:11:42 <bglimm> ... we probably didn't get there, but we discussed response and error code
... we probably didn't get there, but we discussed response and error code ←
15:12:08 <bglimm> ... 200 code for success? Could be problematic if systems want to redirect (e.g., from POST to GET)
... 200 code for success? Could be problematic if systems want to redirect (e.g., from POST to GET) ←
15:12:28 <bglimm> ... we decided not to describe something here, should fall out from HTTP good practises
... we decided not to describe something here, should fall out from HTTP good practises ←
15:13:01 <bglimm> AndyS: My understanding is we would follow HTTP in what that says, so most is predefined
Andy Seaborne: My understanding is we would follow HTTP in what that says, so most is predefined ←
15:13:18 <bglimm> ... we could mention the common practise
... we could mention the common practise ←
15:13:27 <bglimm> Greg: That's also my understanding
Gregory Williams: That's also my understanding ←
15:13:42 <AxelPolleres> HTTP doesn't leave much freedom on return codes... will tell us what to do.
Axel Polleres: HTTP doesn't leave much freedom on return codes... will tell us what to do. ←
15:13:47 <bglimm> ... forth issue is faults and error messages
... forth issue is faults and error messages ←
15:14:34 <bglimm> .... there was consensus that we want to express error messages in plain text, more structures errors can be dealt with in a next WG
.... there was consensus that we want to express error messages in plain text, more structures errors can be dealt with in a next WG ←
15:14:35 <AxelPolleres> plain text errors and leaving more structured error descriptions to a future group.
Axel Polleres: plain text errors and leaving more structured error descriptions to a future group. ←
15:14:53 <bglimm> ... final issues: patch, issue 56
... final issues: patch, ISSUE-56 ←
15:14:53 <AxelPolleres> HTTP PATCH ?
Axel Polleres: HTTP PATCH ? ←
15:15:03 <bglimm> ... looking into patch for update issues.
... looking into patch for update issues. ←
15:15:34 <sandro> !!!
Sandro Hawke: !!! ←
15:15:36 <bglimm> .... patch says that the resource should not me modified, otherwise POST should be used
.... patch says that the resource should not me modified, otherwise POST should be used ←
15:15:58 <bglimm> ... we agreed to not pursue PATCH since it does not seem to be a good fit for our situation
... we agreed to not pursue PATCH since it does not seem to be a good fit for our situation ←
15:16:06 <sandro> (I don't care about PATCH, but yes, of course "the resource" is the graph store.)
Sandro Hawke: (I don't care about PATCH, but yes, of course "the resource" is the graph store.) ←
15:16:41 <bglimm> AxelPolleres: We probably need a concrete proposal to close issue 56
Axel Polleres: We probably need a concrete proposal to close ISSUE-56 ←
15:17:02 <AxelPolleres> Zakim, who is on the phone?
Axel Polleres: Zakim, who is on the phone? ←
15:17:02 <Zakim> On the phone I see cbuilara, NickH, OlivierCorby, kasei, AxelPolleres, Chimezie_Ogbuji (muted), MattPerry, Sandro, pgearon, bglimm, AlexPassant, AndyS
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see cbuilara, NickH, OlivierCorby, kasei, AxelPolleres, Chimezie_Ogbuji (muted), MattPerry, Sandro, pgearon, bglimm, AlexPassant, AndyS ←
15:17:02 <bglimm> Sandro: Who wanted to use PATCH? I don't think we can close the issue now.
Sandro Hawke: Who wanted to use PATCH? I don't think we can close the issue now. ←
15:17:10 <Zakim> +Souri
Zakim IRC Bot: +Souri ←
15:17:15 <bglimm> Greg: I think Paul suggested it initially.
Gregory Williams: I think Paul suggested it initially. ←
15:17:33 <pgearon> that's correct. I was interested, but it seemed like I'm the only one, so the outcome was not to use it
Paula Gearon: that's correct. I was interested, but it seemed like I'm the only one, so the outcome was not to use it ←
15:17:44 <pgearon> I did not suggest it initially
Paula Gearon: I did not suggest it initially ←
15:17:50 <chimezie> Zakim, unmute me
Chimezie Ogbuji: Zakim, unmute me ←
15:17:50 <Zakim> Chimezie_Ogbuji should no longer be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: Chimezie_Ogbuji should no longer be muted ←
15:18:13 <bglimm> AxelPolleres: I think Sandro and Greg agree that the issues is closable.
Axel Polleres: I think Sandro and Greg agree that the issues is closable. ←
15:18:26 <sandro> sandro: Okay, if GET on the endpoint gives you the service description, then yes, using PATCH on the endpoint shouldn't be used to update the quad store.
Sandro Hawke: Okay, if GET on the endpoint gives you the service description, then yes, using PATCH on the endpoint shouldn't be used to update the quad store. [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ] ←
15:18:57 <AxelPolleres> ISSUE-56 can be closed from Protocol's point of view, but still open for http-rdf-update ?
Axel Polleres: ISSUE-56 can be closed from Protocol's point of view, but still open for http-rdf-update ? ←
15:19:28 <AndyS> q+ to ask in what way it is still open for the REST-protocol
Andy Seaborne: q+ to ask in what way it is still open for the REST-protocol ←
15:19:38 <bglimm> Chime: I can close issue 56 and open a new one for http-update
Chimezie Ogbuji: I can close ISSUE-56 and open a new one for http-update ←
15:19:51 <bglimm> AndyS: In what way is it still open?
Andy Seaborne: In what way is it still open? ←
15:20:31 <AndyS> ack AndyS
Andy Seaborne: ack AndyS ←
15:20:31 <Zakim> AndyS, you wanted to ask in what way it is still open for the REST-protocol
Zakim IRC Bot: AndyS, you wanted to ask in what way it is still open for the REST-protocol ←
15:20:39 <bglimm> AxelPolleres: Is patch allowed for http-update?
Axel Polleres: Is patch allowed for http-update? ←
15:21:05 <bglimm> Chime: It is not always clear what is to be modified, but if it is clear, it can be used
Chimezie Ogbuji: It is not always clear what is to be modified, but if it is clear, it can be used ←
15:21:35 <bglimm> ... I suggested some text in an email to get more feedback, but other than that I think it can be closed
... I suggested some text in an email to get more feedback, but other than that I think it can be closed ←
15:21:48 <chimezie> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2010OctDec/0352.html
Chimezie Ogbuji: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2010OctDec/0352.html ←
15:22:13 <bglimm> AxelPolleres: Can people please have a look at that email.
Axel Polleres: Can people please have a look at that email. ←
15:22:31 <bglimm> ... I suggest we proceed by email and see whether we can close it next week
... I suggest we proceed by email and see whether we can close it next week ←
15:22:35 <bglimm> Chime: ok
Chimezie Ogbuji: ok ←
15:22:47 <chimezie> Zakim, mute me
Chimezie Ogbuji: Zakim, mute me ←
15:22:47 <Zakim> Chimezie_Ogbuji should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: Chimezie_Ogbuji should now be muted ←
15:23:04 <AxelPolleres> ACTION: Axel to put closing of ISSUE-56 on next week's agenda, asking for more discussion on the proposal in http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2010OctDec/0352.html on email.
ACTION: Axel to put closing of ISSUE-56 on next week's agenda, asking for more discussion on the proposal in http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2010OctDec/0352.html on email. ←
15:23:04 <trackbot> Created ACTION-343 - Put closing of ISSUE-56 on next week's agenda, asking for more discussion on the proposal in http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2010OctDec/0352.html on email. [on Axel Polleres - due 2010-12-21].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-343 - Put closing of ISSUE-56 on next week's agenda, asking for more discussion on the proposal in http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2010OctDec/0352.html on email. [on Axel Polleres - due 2010-12-21]. ←
15:23:21 <bglimm> AxelPolleres: Anything more from the protocol teleconf?
Axel Polleres: Anything more from the protocol teleconf? ←
15:23:29 <bglimm> Greg: No, that's all
Gregory Williams: No, that's all ←
15:23:35 <bglimm> AxelPolleres: Anything on the schedule?
Axel Polleres: Anything on the schedule? ←
15:23:46 <bglimm> Greg: No, not discussed
Gregory Williams: No, not discussed ←
15:23:58 <bglimm> AxelPolleres: Lee and I have to look into that then
Axel Polleres: Lee and I have to look into that then ←
15:24:13 <AxelPolleres> ACTION: Axel to talk with Lee about protocol schedule
ACTION: Axel to talk with Lee about protocol schedule ←
15:24:13 <trackbot> Created ACTION-344 - Talk with Lee about protocol schedule [on Axel Polleres - due 2010-12-21].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-344 - Talk with Lee about protocol schedule [on Axel Polleres - due 2010-12-21]. ←
15:24:35 <AxelPolleres> topic: rif:usedWithProfile
15:24:47 <AxelPolleres> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2010OctDec/0430.html
Axel Polleres: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2010OctDec/0430.html ←
15:25:01 <bglimm> AxelPolleres: The email summarizes the status
Axel Polleres: The email summarizes the status ←
15:25:28 <bglimm> ... I went back to the RIF WG, to discuss how we can refer to RIF docs from within RDF docs
... I went back to the RIF WG, to discuss how we can refer to RIF docs from within RDF docs ←
15:25:51 <bglimm> The predicate would have a rule set as subject and ent. profile from RIF as object
The predicate would have a rule set as subject and ent. profile from RIF as object ←
15:26:12 <AxelPolleres> <r1> rif:usedWithProfile <http://www.w3.org/ns/entailment/Simple> .
Axel Polleres: <r1> rif:usedWithProfile <http://www.w3.org/ns/entailment/Simple> . ←
15:26:37 <bglimm> .... <r1> imports rules that are to be used with the simple ent. profile
.... <r1> imports rules that are to be used with the simple ent. profile ←
15:26:49 <bglimm> ... we added a section to the ent. regimes doc
... we added a section to the ent. regimes doc ←
15:26:57 <AxelPolleres> http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/entailment/xmlspec.xml#id0x278d4530
Axel Polleres: http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/entailment/xmlspec.xml#id0x278d4530 ←
15:27:33 <bglimm> ... happy about comments
... happy about comments ←
15:27:58 <bglimm> .... Sandro, we refer to the RIF-in-RDF encoding, can you check the example that we have?
.... Sandro, we refer to the RIF-in-RDF encoding, can you check the example that we have? ←
15:28:06 <bglimm> Sandro: Yes, I'll check that
Sandro Hawke: Yes, I'll check that ←
15:28:16 <AxelPolleres> ACTION: sandro to check example in http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/entailment/xmlspec.xml#id0x278d4530
ACTION: sandro to check example in http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/entailment/xmlspec.xml#id0x278d4530 ←
15:28:16 <trackbot> Created ACTION-345 - Check example in http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/entailment/xmlspec.xml#id0x278d4530 [on Sandro Hawke - due 2010-12-21].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-345 - Check example in http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/entailment/xmlspec.xml#id0x278d4530 [on Sandro Hawke - due 2010-12-21]. ←
15:28:35 <chimezie> Zakim, unmute me
Chimezie Ogbuji: Zakim, unmute me ←
15:28:35 <Zakim> Chimezie_Ogbuji should no longer be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: Chimezie_Ogbuji should no longer be muted ←
15:28:45 <bglimm> AxelPolleres: Chime, can you have a look over the new part (7.1)
Axel Polleres: Chime, can you have a look over the new part (7.1) ←
15:29:02 <bglimm> ... I just replaced rif:import with rif:usedWithProfile
... I just replaced rif:import with rif:usedWithProfile ←
15:29:19 <AxelPolleres> ACTION: chime to look over "side effects" of the new section for RIF entailment regime
ACTION: chime to look over "side effects" of the new section for RIF entailment regime ←
15:29:19 <trackbot> Created ACTION-346 - Look over "side effects" of the new section for RIF entailment regime [on Chimezie Ogbuji - due 2010-12-21].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-346 - Look over "side effects" of the new section for RIF entailment regime [on Chimezie Ogbuji - due 2010-12-21]. ←
15:29:40 <bglimm> AxelPolleres: Birte gave some comments already
Axel Polleres: Birte gave some comments already ←
15:29:51 <bglimm> bglimm: I am happy with the section
Birte Glimm: I am happy with the section ←
15:30:15 <bglimm> AxelPolleres: I suggest we move that to the end of the section
Axel Polleres: I suggest we move that to the end of the section ←
15:30:25 <bglimm> ... it is quite long now
... it is quite long now ←
15:31:03 <bglimm> ... if that's ok with everybody, I'll action myself
... if that's ok with everybody, I'll action myself ←
15:31:18 <bglimm> ... to move it to the end of Sec. 7
... to move it to the end of Sec. 7 ←
15:31:22 <AxelPolleres> ACTION: Axel to move "referencing RIF" section to the end of section 7 in ER
ACTION: Axel to move "referencing RIF" section to the end of section 7 in ER ←
15:31:22 <trackbot> Created ACTION-347 - Move "referencing RIF" section to the end of section 7 in ER [on Axel Polleres - due 2010-12-21].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-347 - Move "referencing RIF" section to the end of section 7 in ER [on Axel Polleres - due 2010-12-21]. ←
15:32:04 <bglimm> AxelPolleres: We used in the ent. document the term Informative in others we use non-normative
Axel Polleres: We used in the ent. document the term Informative in others we use non-normative ←
15:32:10 <bglimm> ... any preference
... any preference ←
15:32:25 <bglimm> Sandro: Informative is unfortunate jargon
Sandro Hawke: Informative is unfortunate jargon ←
15:32:37 <bglimm> ... OWL switched to non-normative
... OWL switched to non-normative ←
15:32:49 <bglimm> AxelPolleres: I suggest we switch to non-normative
Axel Polleres: I suggest we switch to non-normative ←
15:32:53 <AndyS> SPARQL 1.0 used "informative"
Andy Seaborne: SPARQL 1.0 used "informative" ←
15:33:08 <bglimm> .... Any objections to switch to non-normative
.... Any objections to switch to non-normative ←
15:33:18 <bglimm> AndyS: I don't see why we should switch
Andy Seaborne: I don't see why we should switch ←
15:33:43 <AxelPolleres> let's stick with "informative"
Axel Polleres: let's stick with "informative" ←
15:33:44 <bglimm> AxelPolleres: Ok, then we just stick with Informative
Axel Polleres: Ok, then we just stick with Informative ←
15:34:03 <chimezie> Zakim, mute me
Chimezie Ogbuji: Zakim, mute me ←
15:34:03 <Zakim> Chimezie_Ogbuji should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: Chimezie_Ogbuji should now be muted ←
15:34:17 <AxelPolleres> q?
Axel Polleres: q? ←
15:34:21 <bglimm> Topic: Review of actions
15:34:40 <AxelPolleres> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2010OctDec/0447.html
Axel Polleres: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2010OctDec/0447.html ←
15:34:56 <bglimm> AxelPolleres: I tried to identify actions that are critical for LC
Axel Polleres: I tried to identify actions that are critical for LC ←
15:35:10 <AxelPolleres> ACTION-200 Steve to Work with Andy to add CONSTRUCT WHERE { triple pattern } shortcut to query spec
Axel Polleres: ACTION-200 Steve to Work with Andy to add CONSTRUCT WHERE { triple pattern } shortcut to query spec ←
15:35:10 <trackbot> ACTION-200 Work with Andy to add CONSTRUCT WHERE { triple pattern } shortcut to query spec notes added
Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-200 Work with Andy to add CONSTRUCT WHERE { triple pattern } shortcut to query spec notes added ←
15:35:17 <bglimm> ... Action-200 CONSTRUCT WHERE
... ACTION-200 CONSTRUCT WHERE ←
15:35:31 <bglimm> .... can we have quick opinions?
.... can we have quick opinions? ←
15:35:53 <kasei> q+
Gregory Williams: q+ ←
15:36:35 <bglimm> AndyS: We should be careful not to get into conflicts for named graphs and quads
Andy Seaborne: We should be careful not to get into conflicts for named graphs and quads ←
15:37:03 <AndyS> see also LALR(1) checking needed
Andy Seaborne: see also LALR(1) checking needed ←
15:37:29 <bglimm> Greg: I am against this. Even if it does not cause parsing problems, the optional where clause is problematic for humans
Gregory Williams: I am against this. Even if it does not cause parsing problems, the optional where clause is problematic for humans ←
15:37:58 <AxelPolleres> strawpoll... Do you want CONSTRUCT WHERE as a shortcut?
Axel Polleres: strawpoll... Do you want CONSTRUCT WHERE as a shortcut? ←
15:38:07 <AndyS> no opinion
Andy Seaborne: no opinion ←
15:38:11 <kasei> i've seen discussion in the past of a "CONSTRUCT *" syntax that I think would at least mitigate the human confusion...
Gregory Williams: i've seen discussion in the past of a "CONSTRUCT *" syntax that I think would at least mitigate the human confusion... ←
15:38:11 <chimezie> 0
Chimezie Ogbuji: 0 ←
15:38:16 <kasei> -1
Gregory Williams: -1 ←
15:38:17 <pgearon> 0
Paula Gearon: 0 ←
15:38:19 <AxelPolleres> 0
Axel Polleres: 0 ←
15:38:20 <bglimm> -0
-0 ←
15:38:24 <corby> 0
Olivier Corby: 0 ←
15:39:09 <bglimm> AxelPolleres: There seems to be no strong support from the WG, I'll get back to Steve to see whether he really think we need it or whether we can live without it
Axel Polleres: There seems to be no strong support from the WG, I'll get back to Steve to see whether he really think we need it or whether we can live without it ←
15:39:28 <AxelPolleres> ACTION: Axel to get back to Steve on ACTION-200 ... suggesting to pursue without that shortcut or refreshing my memories on it :-)
ACTION: Axel to get back to Steve on ACTION-200 ... suggesting to pursue without that shortcut or refreshing my memories on it :-) ←
15:39:28 <trackbot> Created ACTION-348 - Get back to Steve on ACTION-200 ... suggesting to pursue without that shortcut or refreshing my memories on it :-) [on Axel Polleres - due 2010-12-21].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-348 - Get back to Steve on ACTION-200 ... suggesting to pursue without that shortcut or refreshing my memories on it :-) [on Axel Polleres - due 2010-12-21]. ←
15:39:51 <bglimm> AxelPolleres: Action 209 Steve to Disallow projected variables being reused in HAVING in the spec
Axel Polleres: ACTION-209 Steve to Disallow projected variables being reused in HAVING in the spec ←
15:39:58 <AxelPolleres> done
Axel Polleres: done ←
15:40:13 <AxelPolleres> ACTION-285 Paul to Collect update security issues and report back to mailinglist regarding ISSUE-19
Axel Polleres: ACTION-285 Paul to Collect update security issues and report back to mailinglist regarding ISSUE-19 ←
15:40:34 <bglimm> .... has this ever been on the mailing list?
.... has this ever been on the mailing list? ←
15:40:49 <bglimm> Paul: Yes, but I didn't write a summary of the discussion
Paula Gearon: Yes, but I didn't write a summary of the discussion ←
15:40:51 <AxelPolleres> before christmas...
Axel Polleres: before christmas... ←
15:41:06 <AxelPolleres> ACTION-286 Lee to Add a note on dropping of SOAP binding to next WD of protocol11 and explicitly solicit feedback on usage of SOAP in SPARQL
Axel Polleres: ACTION-286 Lee to Add a note on dropping of SOAP binding to next WD of protocol11 and explicitly solicit feedback on usage of SOAP in SPARQL ←
15:41:06 <trackbot> ACTION-286 Add a note on dropping of SOAP binding to next WD of protocol11 and explicitly solicit feedback on usage of SOAP in SPARQL notes added
Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-286 Add a note on dropping of SOAP binding to next WD of protocol11 and explicitly solicit feedback on usage of SOAP in SPARQL notes added ←
15:41:32 <bglimm> AxelPolleres: There is an action for Lee to drop the SOAP protocol
Axel Polleres: There is an action for Lee to drop the SOAP protocol ←
15:42:07 <bglimm> ... we had some discussion and we decided to hint explicitly that SOAP is no longer official supported/needed
... we had some discussion and we decided to hint explicitly that SOAP is no longer official supported/needed ←
15:42:16 <bglimm> ... any opinions
... any opinions ←
15:43:00 <bglimm> ... I think it is important to do this
... I think it is important to do this ←
15:43:01 <AxelPolleres> will talk avbout it with lee
Axel Polleres: will talk avbout it with lee ←
15:43:13 <AxelPolleres> ACTION-290 Lee to Make sure that the relationship between SPARQL protocol and HTTP protocol is clearly laid out before Last Call
Axel Polleres: ACTION-290 Lee to Make sure that the relationship between SPARQL protocol and HTTP protocol is clearly laid out before Last Call ←
15:43:13 <trackbot> ACTION-290 Make sure that the relationship between SPARQL protocol and HTTP protocol is clearly laid out before Last Call notes added
Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-290 Make sure that the relationship between SPARQL protocol and HTTP protocol is clearly laid out before Last Call notes added ←
15:43:13 <AxelPolleres> *critical for LC *
Axel Polleres: *critical for LC * ←
15:43:52 <AxelPolleres> ACTION-291 Work MIME type registration information into SPARQL Update document based on Sandro's suggestion for formatting etc.
Axel Polleres: ACTION-291 Work MIME type registration information into SPARQL Update document based on Sandro's suggestion for formatting etc. ←
15:44:14 <bglimm> AxelPolleres: That was on Paul
Axel Polleres: That was on Paul ←
15:44:25 <bglimm> Paul: I didn't do that, maybe Alex did
Paula Gearon: I didn't do that, maybe Alex did ←
15:44:36 <bglimm> Alex: I didn't do it
Alexandre Passant: I didn't do it ←
15:44:55 <bglimm> AxelPolleres: Can something happen before Christmas? Can I leave the action with Paul?
Axel Polleres: Can something happen before Christmas? Can I leave the action with Paul? ←
15:44:59 <AndyS> I'd like to add a registration for query as well. Completeness
Andy Seaborne: I'd like to add a registration for query as well. Completeness ←
15:44:59 <AxelPolleres> that one was for Paul... before Christmas? :-)
Axel Polleres: that one was for Paul... before Christmas? :-) ←
15:44:59 <bglimm> Paul: OK
Paula Gearon: OK ←
15:45:39 <AxelPolleres> ACTION-292 Lee to Make sure text on transactionality/concurrency gets added to protocol document
Axel Polleres: ACTION-292 Lee to Make sure text on transactionality/concurrency gets added to protocol document ←
15:45:39 <AxelPolleres> *Is this critical for LC? Was it discussed in the protocol call?*
Axel Polleres: *Is this critical for LC? Was it discussed in the protocol call?* ←
15:45:52 <bglimm> AxelPolleres: I have to discuss this with Lee
Axel Polleres: I have to discuss this with Lee ←
15:45:58 <AxelPolleres> ACTION-306 Lee to Work with Axel to identify potential editor(s) to shepherd through JSON document on Rec track
Axel Polleres: ACTION-306 Lee to Work with Axel to identify potential editor(s) to shepherd through JSON document on Rec track ←
15:46:01 <AndyS> query content-type gets .rq registered. Can C&P update, change, remove security issues.
Andy Seaborne: query content-type gets .rq registered. Can C&P update, change, remove security issues. ←
15:46:21 <bglimm> ... we didn't find editors for the JSON format doc yet
... we didn't find editors for the JSON format doc yet ←
15:46:51 <bglimm> ... nobody volunteered and we didn't pursue it either
... nobody volunteered and we didn't pursue it either ←
15:47:00 <bglimm> ... anybody interested to do that?
... anybody interested to do that? ←
15:47:18 <bglimm> ... AndyS said he could help, but has many other things to do
... AndyS said he could help, but has many other things to do ←
15:47:41 <bglimm> AndyS: There is not too much to do, adding a schema section would be nice
Andy Seaborne: There is not too much to do, adding a schema section would be nice ←
15:47:48 <AxelPolleres> schema section would be nice, but not critical, mostly formatting only.
Axel Polleres: schema section would be nice, but not critical, mostly formatting only. ←
15:47:57 <bglimm> AndyS: Does anybody know of outstanding issues?
Andy Seaborne: Does anybody know of outstanding issues? ←
15:48:08 <kasei> My feelings are similar to AndyS: willing to help/edit, but less sure if there's lots of work outstanding.
Gregory Williams: My feelings are similar to AndyS: willing to help/edit, but less sure if there's lots of work outstanding. ←
15:48:33 <bglimm> ... it is just a JSON version of the XML result format
... it is just a JSON version of the XML result format ←
15:49:40 <bglimm> Greg: I am pretty loaded, but if it is not too much work I can do it, but I can't tell how much work
Gregory Williams: I am pretty loaded, but if it is not too much work I can do it, but I can't tell how much work ←
15:49:56 <bglimm> AndyS: How about checking this week what is involved?
Andy Seaborne: How about checking this week what is involved? ←
15:49:57 <AxelPolleres> ACTION: greg to send out question for ISSUES on json format, if no comments ship out as LC
ACTION: greg to send out question for ISSUES on json format, if no comments ship out as LC ←
15:49:57 <trackbot> Created ACTION-349 - Send out question for ISSUES on json format, if no comments ship out as LC [on Gregory Williams - due 2010-12-21].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-349 - Send out question for ISSUES on json format, if no comments ship out as LC [on Gregory Williams - due 2010-12-21]. ←
15:50:17 <AxelPolleres> ACTION-324 carlos to Ping carlos/eric in 2-3 weeks for progress on Fed query issues
Axel Polleres: ACTION-324 carlos to Ping carlos/eric in 2-3 weeks for progress on Fed query issues ←
15:50:59 <bglimm> Carlos ???: Idea was to finish the work this week, I plan to have something for review next week
Carlos ???: Idea was to finish the work this week, I plan to have something for review next week ←
15:51:05 <AxelPolleres> carlos plans to send out request for review within the week.
Axel Polleres: carlos plans to send out request for review within the week. ←
15:51:17 <bglimm> ... Friday I'll ask for reviews and proceed with comments
... Friday I'll ask for reviews and proceed with comments ←
15:51:48 <bglimm> AxelPolleres: ACTION 328 can be closed, Steve confirmed he completed it
Axel Polleres: ACTION-328 can be closed, Steve confirmed he completed it ←
15:51:56 <AxelPolleres> ACTION-328 can be closed according to steve
Axel Polleres: ACTION-328 can be closed according to steve ←
15:52:13 <bglimm> ACTION-331 Andy to Clarify the meaning of "potentially bound" vis a vis what
ACTION-331 Andy to Clarify the meaning of "potentially bound" vis a vis what ←
15:52:13 <trackbot> ACTION-331 Clarify the meaning of "potentially bound" vis a vis what can go on the right hand side of an AS in a SELECT list notes added
Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-331 Clarify the meaning of "potentially bound" vis a vis what can go on the right hand side of an AS in a SELECT list notes added ←
15:52:14 <bglimm> can go on the right hand side of an AS in a SELECT list
can go on the right hand side of an AS in a SELECT list ←
15:52:27 <bglimm> AndyS: I am working on it
Andy Seaborne: I am working on it ←
15:52:38 <bglimm> ... I've send a message to the list
... I've send a message to the list ←
15:52:58 <bglimm> AxelPolleres: Thanks for the update
Axel Polleres: Thanks for the update ←
15:53:11 <bglimm> ... any updates for the schedule regarding LC?
... any updates for the schedule regarding LC? ←
15:53:32 <bglimm> ... from now on I'll ask in teleconfs for a status
... from now on I'll ask in teleconfs for a status ←
15:53:34 <AxelPolleres> topic: schedule
Axel Polleres: topic: schedule ←
15:53:38 <bglimm> ... Query?
... Query? ←
15:54:04 <bglimm> AndyS: little progress, group has been adding lots of things, I am working through the details
Andy Seaborne: little progress, group has been adding lots of things, I am working through the details ←
15:54:17 <AxelPolleres> place-holders were added, people submitting content would be helpful
Axel Polleres: place-holders were added, people submitting content would be helpful ←
15:54:20 <bglimm> people could help by sending details and test cases
people could help by sending details and test cases ←
15:54:30 <AxelPolleres> ... test cases would be very helpful
Axel Polleres: ... test cases would be very helpful ←
15:55:03 <bglimm> AxelPolleres: Can anybody help with the function library section?
Axel Polleres: Can anybody help with the function library section? ←
15:55:13 <bglimm> .... It should be easy to do, but time consuming
.... It should be easy to do, but time consuming ←
15:55:35 <bglimm> ... I can try and give you some input on this
... I can try and give you some input on this ←
15:55:43 <AxelPolleres> ACTION: Axel to draft some input for the function library section
ACTION: Axel to draft some input for the function library section ←
15:55:43 <trackbot> Created ACTION-350 - Draft some input for the function library section [on Axel Polleres - due 2010-12-21].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-350 - Draft some input for the function library section [on Axel Polleres - due 2010-12-21]. ←
15:56:03 <bglimm> ... next doc: update
... next doc: update ←
15:56:19 <bglimm> Alex: I added the shortcuts and asked for feedback
Alexandre Passant: I added the shortcuts and asked for feedback ←
15:56:28 <bglimm> ... I have to go through the pending actions
... I have to go through the pending actions ←
15:56:42 <bglimm> ... most of them have been taken into account
... most of them have been taken into account ←
15:57:16 <bglimm> AxelPolleres: Lets see whether we can discuss the formal model in the next couple of days
Axel Polleres: Lets see whether we can discuss the formal model in the next couple of days ←
15:57:23 <bglimm> ... how far from LC?
... how far from LC? ←
15:57:43 <AxelPolleres> 2nd week of Jan seems realistic.
Axel Polleres: 2nd week of Jan seems realistic. ←
15:57:45 <bglimm> Alex: I think second week of Jan could be doable, mid January
Alexandre Passant: I think second week of Jan could be doable, mid January ←
15:58:02 <bglimm> AxelPolleres: Ent. Regimes
Axel Polleres: Ent. Regimes ←
15:58:25 <bglimm> RIF-imports is now resolved
RIF-imports is now resolved ←
15:58:44 <bglimm> ... next week we discuss Enrico's comments
... next week we discuss Enrico's comments ←
15:59:04 <bglimm> Sandro: I have some issues that I'll try to make precise
Sandro Hawke: I have some issues that I'll try to make precise ←
15:59:24 <bglimm> AxelPolleres: next doc: Service Descriptions
Axel Polleres: next doc: Service Descriptions ←
15:59:33 <bglimm> Chime: No outstanding issues
Chimezie Ogbuji: No outstanding issues ←
15:59:38 <chimezie> Zakim, unmute me
Chimezie Ogbuji: Zakim, unmute me ←
15:59:38 <Zakim> Chimezie_Ogbuji should no longer be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: Chimezie_Ogbuji should no longer be muted ←
15:59:47 <bglimm> AxelPolleres: HTTP-update?
Axel Polleres: HTTP-update? ←
16:00:03 <chimezie> http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/HTTP-UPDATE-ISSUES
Chimezie Ogbuji: http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/HTTP-UPDATE-ISSUES ←
16:00:03 <bglimm> Chime: I tried to solve open issues on the wiki
Chimezie Ogbuji: I tried to solve open issues on the wiki ←
16:00:48 <bglimm> ... AndyS and Steve had some issues with relative URIs and I summarized them
... AndyS and Steve had some issues with relative URIs and I summarized them ←
16:01:02 <bglimm> AxelPolleres: We can go through that in one of the next tele conferences
Axel Polleres: We can go through that in one of the next tele conferences ←
16:01:15 <AxelPolleres> ACTION: Axel to put http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/HTTP-UPDATE-ISSUES on one of the next agendas
ACTION: Axel to put http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/HTTP-UPDATE-ISSUES on one of the next agendas ←
16:01:15 <trackbot> Created ACTION-351 - Put http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/HTTP-UPDATE-ISSUES on one of the next agendas [on Axel Polleres - due 2010-12-21].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-351 - Put http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/HTTP-UPDATE-ISSUES on one of the next agendas [on Axel Polleres - due 2010-12-21]. ←
16:01:21 <chimezie> Zakim, mute me
Chimezie Ogbuji: Zakim, mute me ←
16:01:21 <Zakim> Chimezie_Ogbuji should now be muted
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16:01:36 <bglimm> AxelPolleres: Fed. Queries we'll get an update from Carlos shortly
Axel Polleres: Fed. Queries we'll get an update from Carlos shortly ←
16:01:55 <bglimm> ... Overview is just one afternoon's work and not that critical
... Overview is just one afternoon's work and not that critical ←
16:02:13 <Zakim> -Chimezie_Ogbuji
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16:02:13 <MattPerry> bye
Matthew Perry: bye ←
16:02:14 <bglimm> adjourned
adjourned ←
16:02:14 <AxelPolleres> adjourned
Axel Polleres: adjourned ←
16:02:15 <Zakim> -Sandro
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16:03:14 <bglimm> RRSAgent, generate minutes
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16:03:20 <Zakim> -Souri
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16:03:34 <bglimm> rrsagent, make logs world
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16:04:46 <Zakim> SW_(SPARQL)10:00AM has ended
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16:04:47 <Zakim> Attendees were cbuilara, NickH, OlivierCorby, kasei, Sandro, AxelPolleres, Chimezie_Ogbuji, AndyS, MattPerry, pgearon, bglimm, AlexPassant, [IPcaller], Souri
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16:06:52 <AxelPolleres> regrets: LeeF, SteveH
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