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15:01:11 <RRSAgent> logging to http://www.w3.org/2010/01/05-sparql-irc
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15:01:15 <AndyS> We do!
Andy Seaborne: We do! ←
15:01:22 <AxelPolleres> trackbot, start meeting -
Axel Polleres: trackbot, start meeting - ←
15:01:23 <AxelPolleres> regrets: LeeF, PaulG
Scribe problem: the name 'PaulG' does not match any of the 61 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Ahmed Ezzat Alexandre Passant Andrea Westerinen Andrei Lopatenko Andy Seaborne Axel Polleres Bijan Parsia Birte Glimm Bryan Thompson Chimezie Ogbuji Cui Tao Daniel Schutzer Dave Beckett David Charboneau David Newman Davide Palmisano Dhanapalan Kulandai Vadivel Dirk Colaert Dirk-Willem van Gulik Edward Thomas Elias Torres Enrico Franconi Eric Prud'hommeaux Frank Careccia Fred Zemke Gregory Williams Hiroyuki Sato Ivan Mikhailov Ivan Herman Jacek Kopecký Jari Vänttinen Jean-François Baget Jeen Broekstra Jeff Pollock John Clark Jos De Roo Kendall Clark Kevin Wilkinson Kjetil Kjernsmo Lee Feigenbaum Luke Wilson-Mawer Matthew Perry Michael Smith Michele Minno Nophadol Jekjantuk Olivier Corby Orri Erling Paula Gearon Prateek Jain Rachel Yager Roland Schwaenzl Sandro Hawke Sergio Tessaris Simon Johnston Simon Schenk Souripriya Das Steve Harris Sven Groppe Timo Westkämper Tommi Koivula Yoshio Fukushige
15:01:24 <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs world
Trackbot IRC Bot: RRSAgent, make logs world ←
15:01:26 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be 77277
Trackbot IRC Bot: Zakim, this will be 77277 ←
15:01:27 <trackbot> Meeting: SPARQL Working Group Teleconference
15:01:27 <trackbot> Date: 05 January 2010
15:01:30 <SteveH> Zakim, ??P4 is [Garlik]
Steve Harris: Zakim, ??P4 is [Garlik] ←
15:01:35 <Zakim> +??P18
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P18 ←
15:01:40 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see SW_(SPARQL)10:00AM scheduled to start now
Zakim IRC Bot: ok, trackbot; I see SW_(SPARQL)10:00AM scheduled to start now ←
15:01:42 <Zakim> I already had ??P4 as ??P4, SteveH
Zakim IRC Bot: I already had ??P4 as ??P4, SteveH ←
15:01:46 <SteveH> Zakim, [Garlik] has SteveH, LukeWM
Steve Harris: Zakim, [Garlik] has SteveH, LukeWM ←
15:01:54 <Zakim> sorry, SteveH, I do not recognize a party named '[Garlik]'
Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, SteveH, I do not recognize a party named '[Garlik]' ←
15:01:54 <MattPerry> zakim, ??P4 is me
Matthew Perry: zakim, ??P4 is me ←
15:01:58 <Zakim> I already had ??P4 as ??P4, MattPerry
Zakim IRC Bot: I already had ??P4 as ??P4, MattPerry ←
15:02:04 <Ivan Herman> zakim, dial ivan-voip
Ivan Herman: zakim, dial ivan-voip ←
15:02:05 <MattPerry> sorry
Matthew Perry: sorry ←
15:02:05 <SteveH> MattPerry, ??P4 is us
Steve Harris: MattPerry, ??P4 is us ←
15:02:06 <Zakim> ok, Ivan Herman; the call is being made
Zakim IRC Bot: ok, Ivan Herman; the call is being made ←
15:02:15 <MattPerry> zakim, ??P18 is me
Matthew Perry: zakim, ??P18 is me ←
15:02:17 <SteveH> ...I think
Steve Harris: ...I think ←
15:02:20 <Zakim> I already had ??P18 as ??P18, MattPerry
Zakim IRC Bot: I already had ??P18 as ??P18, MattPerry ←
15:02:42 <AxelPolleres> AxelPolleres has changed the topic to: http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/Agenda-2010-01-05
Axel Polleres: AxelPolleres has changed the topic to: http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/Agenda-2010-01-05 ←
15:02:48 <SteveH> Zakim, ??P4 is temporarily [Garlik]
Steve Harris: Zakim, ??P4 is temporarily [Garlik] ←
15:02:52 <Zakim> I already had ??P4 as ??P4, SteveH
Zakim IRC Bot: I already had ??P4 as ??P4, SteveH ←
15:03:00 <SteveH> Zakim, P4 is [Garlik]
Steve Harris: Zakim, P4 is [Garlik] ←
15:03:02 <Zakim> sorry, SteveH, I do not recognize a party named 'P4'
Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, SteveH, I do not recognize a party named 'P4' ←
15:03:17 <sandro> zakim, who is talking?
Sandro Hawke: zakim, who is talking? ←
15:03:18 <Zakim> sorry, sandro, I don't know what conference this is
Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, sandro, I don't know what conference this is ←
15:03:22 <AxelPolleres> hmmm, I have some echo...
Axel Polleres: hmmm, I have some echo... ←
15:03:27 <sandro> zakim, this is sparql
Sandro Hawke: zakim, this is sparql ←
15:03:32 <Zakim> ok, sandro; that matches SW_(SPARQL)10:00AM
Zakim IRC Bot: ok, sandro; that matches SW_(SPARQL)10:00AM ←
15:03:32 <LukeWM> zakim, what's wrong with you?
Luke Wilson-Mawer: zakim, what's wrong with you? ←
15:03:34 <Zakim> +??P26
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P26 ←
15:03:36 <Zakim> I don't understand your question, LukeWM.
Zakim IRC Bot: I don't understand your question, LukeWM. ←
15:03:38 <sandro> zakim, who is talking?
Sandro Hawke: zakim, who is talking? ←
15:03:38 <AlexPassant> Zakim: ??P26 is me
15:03:42 <AlexPassant> Zakim, ??P26 is me
Alexandre Passant: Zakim, ??P26 is me ←
15:03:44 <Zakim> +AlexPassant; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +AlexPassant; got it ←
15:03:54 <AxelPolleres> Zakim, who is on the phone?
Axel Polleres: Zakim, who is on the phone? ←
15:03:56 <Zakim> sandro, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Souri (29%), Axel (59%), Ivan Herman (11%)
Zakim IRC Bot: sandro, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Souri (29%), Axel (59%), Ivan Herman (11%) ←
15:04:01 <Zakim> On the phone I see dcharbon2, bglimm, kasei, AndyS, ??P18, Ivan Herman, Axel, Sandro, tkoivula, Souri, AlexPassant
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see dcharbon2, bglimm, kasei, AndyS, ??P18, Ivan Herman, Axel, Sandro, tkoivula, Souri, AlexPassant ←
15:04:04 <Zakim> +??P4
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P4 ←
15:04:11 <sandro> What was wrong with Zakim was that no one had said "Zakim, this is sparql"
Sandro Hawke: What was wrong with Zakim was that no one had said "Zakim, this is sparql" ←
15:04:13 <SteveH> Zakim, ??P4 is [Garlik]
Steve Harris: Zakim, ??P4 is [Garlik] ←
15:04:13 <Zakim> +[Garlik]; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +[Garlik]; got it ←
15:04:19 <MattPerry> zakim, ??P18 is me
Matthew Perry: zakim, ??P18 is me ←
15:04:19 <Zakim> +MattPerry; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +MattPerry; got it ←
15:04:40 <LukeWM> Zakim, Garlik has LukeWM, SteveH
Luke Wilson-Mawer: Zakim, Garlik has LukeWM, SteveH ←
15:04:40 <Zakim> +LukeWM, SteveH; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +LukeWM, SteveH; got it ←
15:04:45 <AxelPolleres> Zakim, who is on the phone?
Axel Polleres: Zakim, who is on the phone? ←
15:04:45 <Zakim> On the phone I see dcharbon2, bglimm, kasei, AndyS, MattPerry, Ivan Herman, Axel, Sandro, tkoivula, Souri, AlexPassant, [Garlik]
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see dcharbon2, bglimm, kasei, AndyS, MattPerry, Ivan Herman, Axel, Sandro, tkoivula, Souri, AlexPassant, [Garlik] ←
15:04:48 <Zakim> [Garlik] has LukeWM, SteveH
Zakim IRC Bot: [Garlik] has LukeWM, SteveH ←
15:05:01 <AlexPassant> ok
Alexandre Passant: ok ←
15:05:12 <AxelPolleres> scribe: Alex Passant
(Scribe set to Alexandre Passant)
15:05:24 <AxelPolleres> scribenick:AlexPassant
15:05:32 <AxelPolleres> http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/Agenda-2010-01-05
Axel Polleres: http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/Agenda-2010-01-05 ←
15:05:49 <AlexPassant> AxelPolleres: main goal is to check how far we are on the reviews
Axel Polleres: main goal is to check how far we are on the reviews ←
15:05:53 <AlexPassant> ... + discuss schedule
... + discuss schedule ←
15:05:58 <AlexPassant> topic: admin issues
15:06:03 <AxelPolleres> PROPOSED: Approve minutes at http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/meeting/2009-12-22
PROPOSED: Approve minutes at http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/meeting/2009-12-22 ←
15:06:14 <AlexPassant> AxelPolleres: minutes approval - any objections ?
Axel Polleres: minutes approval - any objections ? ←
15:06:21 <AlexPassant> ... minutes approved
... minutes approved ←
15:06:22 <AxelPolleres> RESOLVED: Approve minutes at http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/meeting/2009-12-22
RESOLVED: Approve minutes at http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/meeting/2009-12-22 ←
15:06:38 <AlexPassant> ... next meeting next week
... next meeting next week ←
15:06:49 <chimezie> Zakim, passcode?
Chimezie Ogbuji: Zakim, passcode? ←
15:06:49 <Zakim> the conference code is 77277 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), chimezie
Zakim IRC Bot: the conference code is 77277 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), chimezie ←
15:06:50 <AlexPassant> ... dcharbon2 will scribe
... dcharbon2 will scribe ←
15:07:09 <AlexPassant> ... updates on comments ?
... updates on comments ? ←
15:07:09 <AxelPolleres> http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/Comments any updates?
Axel Polleres: http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/Comments any updates? ←
15:07:19 <Zakim> +Chimezie_Ogbuji
Zakim IRC Bot: +Chimezie_Ogbuji ←
15:07:26 <AlexPassant> ... no updated
... no updated ←
15:07:29 <AxelPolleres> topic: liaisons
15:07:32 <chimezie> Zakim, mute me
Chimezie Ogbuji: Zakim, mute me ←
15:07:32 <Zakim> Chimezie_Ogbuji should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: Chimezie_Ogbuji should now be muted ←
15:07:35 <AxelPolleres> no updates.
Axel Polleres: no updates. ←
15:07:47 <AlexPassant> topic: Document reviews
15:08:03 <bglimm> Zakim, mute me
Birte Glimm: Zakim, mute me ←
15:08:03 <Zakim> bglimm should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: bglimm should now be muted ←
15:08:13 <AlexPassant> AxelPolleres: schedule: publish in 2 weeks max
Axel Polleres: schedule: publish in 2 weeks max ←
15:08:18 <AlexPassant> ... few reviews missing
... few reviews missing ←
15:08:31 <AlexPassant> ... kindly ask reviewers to review in the next few days
... kindly ask reviewers to review in the next few days ←
15:08:39 <AlexPassant> ... so that we can decide on publishing next week
... so that we can decide on publishing next week ←
15:09:01 <AxelPolleres> http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/query-1.1/
Axel Polleres: http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/query-1.1/ ←
15:09:04 <AlexPassant> ... first: query document
... first: query document ←
15:09:18 <AlexPassant> ... several reviews from bglimm, Souri, AxelPolleres and MattPerry
... several reviews from bglimm, Souri, AxelPolleres and MattPerry ←
15:09:24 <AlexPassant> ... andy to summarize
... andy to summarize ←
15:09:36 <AlexPassant> AndyS: nothing outstanding on the query side
Andy Seaborne: nothing outstanding on the query side ←
15:09:47 <AlexPassant> ... if so, please remind
... if so, please remind ←
15:10:48 <AlexPassant> Souri: sent another e-mail with minor question
Souripriya Das: sent another e-mail with minor question ←
15:11:02 <AlexPassant> ... not a critical one
... not a critical one ←
15:11:34 <AlexPassant> ... reviewers should check if their comments have been addressed
... reviewers should check if their comments have been addressed ←
15:11:39 <bglimm> fine with me
Birte Glimm: fine with me ←
15:11:48 <AlexPassant> ... will not give separate actions to reviewers
... will not give separate actions to reviewers ←
15:12:13 <AxelPolleres> q?
Axel Polleres: q? ←
15:12:14 <AlexPassant> ... everyone is free to make some comments, but please keep the schedule in mind
... everyone is free to make some comments, but please keep the schedule in mind ←
15:12:37 <AlexPassant> ... next doc: Update
... next doc: Update ←
15:12:45 <AxelPolleres> http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/update-1.1/Overview.xml
Axel Polleres: http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/update-1.1/Overview.xml ←
15:12:51 <AlexPassant> ... Paul sent regrets, difficult to discuss it today
... Paul sent regrets, difficult to discuss it today ←
15:12:59 <AlexPassant> ... quick look through the reviews sent so far
... quick look through the reviews sent so far ←
15:13:19 <AlexPassant> AndyS: comments not addressed so far
Andy Seaborne: comments not addressed so far ←
15:13:30 <AlexPassant> AxelPolleres: postpone discussion until Paul is back
Axel Polleres: postpone discussion until Paul is back ←
15:13:34 <Souri> Please replace 20100126 with 2010126 in http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/query-1.1/WD-sparql11-query-2010126/
Souripriya Das: Please replace 20100126 with 2010126 in http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/query-1.1/WD-sparql11-query-2010126/ ←
15:14:09 <Souri> sorry the other way
Souripriya Das: sorry the other way ←
15:14:17 <AlexPassant> ... next: protocol
... next: protocol ←
15:14:18 <AxelPolleres> http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/protocol-1.1/
Axel Polleres: http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/protocol-1.1/ ←
15:14:45 <AlexPassant> dcharbon2: short update - hoping to get some feedback
David Charboneau: short update - hoping to get some feedback ←
15:15:27 <AlexPassant> ... mail not yet in the archives
... mail not yet in the archives ←
15:15:29 <AxelPolleres> i can't see your mail in the archives: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2010JanMar/
Axel Polleres: i can't see your mail in the archives: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2010JanMar/ ←
15:15:32 <AlexPassant> ... sent about 1h ago
... sent about 1h ago ←
15:16:57 <AlexPassant> dcharbon2: should we update to WSDL2.0
David Charboneau: should we update to WSDL2.0 ←
15:17:29 <sandro> 3 messages from dcharbon approved
Sandro Hawke: 3 messages from dcharbon approved ←
15:18:21 <AxelPolleres> q?
Axel Polleres: q? ←
15:19:07 <AlexPassant> AxelPolleres: did we agree on getting only HTTP POST for the update
Axel Polleres: did we agree on getting only HTTP POST for the update ←
15:19:15 <AlexPassant> AndyS: cannot do update with a GET by HTTP design
Andy Seaborne: cannot do update with a GET by HTTP design ←
15:19:42 <AxelPolleres> probably POST is the only reasonable way to do it.
Axel Polleres: probably POST is the only reasonable way to do it. ←
15:20:02 <AxelPolleres> ... true.
Axel Polleres: ... true. ←
15:20:23 <AlexPassant> dcharbon2: graphs do exit / vs do not exist when updating data
David Charboneau: graphs do exit / vs do not exist when updating data ←
15:20:32 <SteveH> under what circumstances are those errors?
Steve Harris: under what circumstances are those errors? ←
15:20:37 <AlexPassant> ... query gramatically correct but error when running it - suggestion to add a new error
... query gramatically correct but error when running it - suggestion to add a new error ←
15:20:40 <SteveH> don't we have an open issue about this?
Steve Harris: don't we have an open issue about this? ←
15:20:56 <AndyS> q+
Andy Seaborne: q+ ←
15:21:04 <AlexPassant> ... ... should we have something more generic (e.g. semantic execution fault)
... ... should we have something more generic (e.g. semantic execution fault) ←
15:21:11 <AlexPassant> AndyS: how this maps down to HTTP
Andy Seaborne: how this maps down to HTTP ←
15:21:22 <AlexPassant> ... caring about the corresponding HTTP code
... caring about the corresponding HTTP code ←
15:22:11 <AxelPolleres> 5xx codes reflect that something went wrong.
Axel Polleres: 5xx codes reflect that something went wrong. ←
15:22:20 <SteveH> yes, 500 soundsw wrong to me
Steve Harris: yes, 500 soundsw wrong to me ←
15:22:27 <AlexPassant> dcharbon2: last question on the update doc
David Charboneau: last question on the update doc ←
15:22:42 <AlexPassant> ... protocol could be conformat by implementing only a subset of the interface
... protocol could be conformat by implementing only a subset of the interface ←
15:22:51 <AlexPassant> ... seems not to be the case with WSDL
... seems not to be the case with WSDL ←
15:23:17 <AndyS> ack me
Andy Seaborne: ack me ←
15:24:34 <AlexPassant> ... have to implement one or both to be compliant ?
... have to implement one or both to be compliant ? ←
15:26:05 <AxelPolleres> todo for dcharbon2: WSDL and types update, and pointers from the overview doc.
Axel Polleres: todo for dcharbon2: WSDL and types update, and pointers from the overview doc. ←
15:26:32 <AxelPolleres> ACTION: dcharbon2 send mail about readiness for review by tonight
ACTION: dcharbon2 send mail about readiness for review by tonight ←
15:26:32 <trackbot> Sorry, amibiguous username (more than one match) - dcharbon2
Trackbot IRC Bot: Sorry, amibiguous username (more than one match) - dcharbon2 ←
15:26:32 <trackbot> Try using a different identifier, such as family name or username (eg. dcharbon2, dnewman2)
Trackbot IRC Bot: Try using a different identifier, such as family name or username (eg. dcharbon2, dnewman2) ←
15:26:50 <AlexPassant> AxelPolleres: reviewers needed for protocol
Axel Polleres: reviewers needed for protocol ←
15:27:09 <AxelPolleres> ACTION: dcharbon2 send mail about readiness for review by tonight
ACTION: dcharbon2 send mail about readiness for review by tonight ←
15:27:10 <trackbot> Created ACTION-173 - Send mail about readiness for review by tonight [on David Charboneau - due 2010-01-12].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-173 - Send mail about readiness for review by tonight [on David Charboneau - due 2010-01-12]. ←
15:27:29 <AxelPolleres> ACTION: axel to review protocol changes
ACTION: axel to review protocol changes ←
15:27:29 <trackbot> Created ACTION-174 - Review protocol changes [on Axel Polleres - due 2010-01-12].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-174 - Review protocol changes [on Axel Polleres - due 2010-01-12]. ←
15:27:39 <AxelPolleres> Zakim, pick a victim
Axel Polleres: Zakim, pick a victim ←
15:27:39 <Zakim> Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose [Garlik]
Zakim IRC Bot: Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose [Garlik] ←
15:28:27 <AxelPolleres> ACTION: Luke to review protocol changes
ACTION: Luke to review protocol changes ←
15:28:27 <trackbot> Created ACTION-175 - Review protocol changes [on Luke Wilson-Mawer - due 2010-01-12].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-175 - Review protocol changes [on Luke Wilson-Mawer - due 2010-01-12]. ←
15:28:47 <AxelPolleres> http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/service-description-1.1/
Axel Polleres: http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/service-description-1.1/ ←
15:28:49 <AlexPassant> ... next document: Service Description
... next document: Service Description ←
15:30:03 <AlexPassant> kasei: before publication, would like to add a link to entailement profiles URIs
Gregory Williams: before publication, would like to add a link to entailement profiles URIs ←
15:30:11 <AlexPassant> ... get the RDF published for the vocab as well
... get the RDF published for the vocab as well ←
15:30:24 <AlexPassant> ... will check with Ivan / Sandro about the RDF
... will check with Ivan / Sandro about the RDF ←
15:30:26 <Ivan Herman> q+
Ivan Herman: q+ ←
15:30:37 <AlexPassant> ... commited comments yesterday on future things (not for that draft)
... commited comments yesterday on future things (not for that draft) ←
15:30:53 <AlexPassant> ... just a few things to address before publishing
... just a few things to address before publishing ←
15:31:15 <AlexPassant> Ivan Herman: happy to publish the RDF
Ivan Herman: happy to publish the RDF ←
15:31:23 <AlexPassant> ... discussed RDFa version in the email
... discussed RDFa version in the email ←
15:31:37 <AlexPassant> ... can be postpone to a later stage
... can be postpone to a later stage ←
15:31:44 <AlexPassant> kasei: happy with RDF/XML at the moment
Gregory Williams: happy with RDF/XML at the moment ←
15:31:53 <AlexPassant> +1 on kasei
+1 on kasei ←
15:31:57 <AxelPolleres> +1 RDF/XML for the first version RDFa as an option for future
Axel Polleres: +1 RDF/XML for the first version RDFa as an option for future ←
15:32:51 <AxelPolleres> ACTION: greg to ensure RDF Schema gets published in time
ACTION: greg to ensure RDF Schema gets published in time ←
15:32:51 <trackbot> Created ACTION-176 - Ensure RDF Schema gets published in time [on Gregory Williams - due 2010-01-12].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-176 - Ensure RDF Schema gets published in time [on Gregory Williams - due 2010-01-12]. ←
15:33:13 <AlexPassant> kasei: addressed the issues sent by reviewers
Gregory Williams: addressed the issues sent by reviewers ←
15:34:26 <AxelPolleres> http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/http-rdf-update/
Axel Polleres: http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/http-rdf-update/ ←
15:34:36 <AlexPassant> AxelPolleres: next doc - RDF Update
Axel Polleres: next doc - RDF Update ←
15:34:41 <AlexPassant> ... reviews missing
... reviews missing ←
15:34:42 <chimezie> Zakim, unmute me
Chimezie Ogbuji: Zakim, unmute me ←
15:34:42 <Zakim> Chimezie_Ogbuji should no longer be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: Chimezie_Ogbuji should no longer be muted ←
15:35:02 <AlexPassant> chimezie: standing review is AndyS' one
Chimezie Ogbuji: standing review is AndyS' one ←
15:35:08 <AlexPassant> ... issues look straightforward
... issues look straightforward ←
15:35:15 <AlexPassant> ... it not, email correspondance will help
... it not, email correspondance will help ←
15:35:23 <AxelPolleres> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2009OctDec/0673.html
Axel Polleres: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2009OctDec/0673.html ←
15:35:40 <AlexPassant> AndyS: issue around graph naming is problematic
Andy Seaborne: issue around graph naming is problematic ←
15:36:36 <AlexPassant> chimezie: need some interface to specify different URIs to update / delete a graph
Chimezie Ogbuji: need some interface to specify different URIs to update / delete a graph ←
15:36:56 <AlexPassant> ... several suggestions (query parameters)
... several suggestions (query parameters) ←
15:37:04 <Zakim> +Sandro
Zakim IRC Bot: +Sandro ←
15:37:06 <Zakim> -Sandro
Zakim IRC Bot: -Sandro ←
15:37:06 <AlexPassant> ... specify the semantics of the interface should address the problem
... specify the semantics of the interface should address the problem ←
15:37:18 <AlexPassant> ... can be addressed in the next round
... can be addressed in the next round ←
15:38:24 <AxelPolleres> ACTION: Axel to ping all editor's to reply to unresponded reviews.
ACTION: Axel to ping all editor's to reply to unresponded reviews. ←
15:38:24 <trackbot> Created ACTION-177 - Ping all editor's to reply to unresponded reviews. [on Axel Polleres - due 2010-01-12].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-177 - Ping all editor's to reply to unresponded reviews. [on Axel Polleres - due 2010-01-12]. ←
15:38:28 <AlexPassant> ... can address most of the original comments / suggestions
... can address most of the original comments / suggestions ←
15:38:48 <AlexPassant> ... could produce a version that incorporate the comments by the next telecon
... could produce a version that incorporate the comments by the next telecon ←
15:39:00 <AlexPassant> AxelPolleres: should have the other reviews by then
Axel Polleres: should have the other reviews by then ←
15:39:08 <AlexPassant> ... discuss the last reviews next time
... discuss the last reviews next time ←
15:39:18 <chimezie> Zakim, mute me
Chimezie Ogbuji: Zakim, mute me ←
15:39:18 <Zakim> Chimezie_Ogbuji should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: Chimezie_Ogbuji should now be muted ←
15:39:24 <AlexPassant> ... next doc : property path document
... next doc : property path document ←
15:39:25 <AxelPolleres> http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/property-paths/Overview.xml
Axel Polleres: http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/property-paths/Overview.xml ←
15:39:40 <AlexPassant> ... 2 open reviews
... 2 open reviews ←
15:40:28 <AlexPassant> AndyS: lots of comments (longer period of time)
Andy Seaborne: lots of comments (longer period of time) ←
15:40:33 <AlexPassant> ... now processed all of them
... now processed all of them ←
15:40:39 <Ivan Herman> I am fine
Ivan Herman: I am fine ←
15:40:40 <AlexPassant> ... if something is missing, please remind
... if something is missing, please remind ←
15:41:16 <Ivan Herman> I have checked and I am happy
Ivan Herman: I have checked and I am happy ←
15:41:20 <AlexPassant> AxelPolleres: reviewers should check if the comments have been addressed
Axel Polleres: reviewers should check if the comments have been addressed ←
15:41:27 <Ivan Herman> q+
Ivan Herman: q+ ←
15:41:30 <AlexPassant> ... then decision on publication on next TC
... then decision on publication on next TC ←
15:43:37 <AxelPolleres> ACTION: Matt to start an email thread about fregments of propertypaths that could be dealt with in SWL
ACTION: Matt to start an email thread about fregments of propertypaths that could be dealt with in SWL ←
15:43:37 <trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - Matt
Trackbot IRC Bot: Sorry, couldn't find user - Matt ←
15:43:41 <AndyS> http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/property-paths/Overview.xml#Outstanding_Issues
Andy Seaborne: http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/property-paths/Overview.xml#Outstanding_Issues ←
15:44:06 <AxelPolleres> q?
Axel Polleres: q? ←
15:44:34 <AlexPassant> Ivan Herman: we may want to do a formal vote on the publishing to go on the request for the shortname
Ivan Herman: we may want to do a formal vote on the publishing to go on the request for the shortname ←
15:45:20 <AlexPassant> sandro: WG resolves the publishing, then do the short name decision
Sandro Hawke: WG resolves the publishing, then do the short name decision ←
15:45:24 <chimezie> i have to leave right now, unfortunately
Chimezie Ogbuji: i have to leave right now, unfortunately ←
15:45:30 <Zakim> -Chimezie_Ogbuji
Zakim IRC Bot: -Chimezie_Ogbuji ←
15:45:32 <AndyS> "sparql11-property-paths" is the natural short name, I think.
Andy Seaborne: "sparql11-property-paths" is the natural short name, I think. ←
15:45:47 <AxelPolleres> strawpoll on the name? sparql11-property-paths
Axel Polleres: strawpoll on the name? sparql11-property-paths ←
15:45:51 <AlexPassant> AxelPolleres: strawpoll on the shortname ?
Axel Polleres: strawpoll on the shortname ? ←
15:45:54 <SteveH> q+
Steve Harris: q+ ←
15:45:59 <AlexPassant> ... anyone opposed on sparql11-property-paths ?
... anyone opposed on sparql11-property-paths ? ←
15:46:01 <Ivan Herman> ack Ivan Herman
Ivan Herman: ack Ivan Herman ←
15:46:11 <Ivan Herman> q+
Ivan Herman: q+ ←
15:46:15 <AxelPolleres> q?
Axel Polleres: q? ←
15:46:19 <LukeWM> Isn't it just a feature of query?
Luke Wilson-Mawer: Isn't it just a feature of query? ←
15:46:47 <AlexPassant> sandro: is the sparql11 prefix in any shortname
Sandro Hawke: is the sparql11 prefix in any shortname ←
15:46:50 <AlexPassant> AxelPolleres: yes
Axel Polleres: yes ←
15:47:15 <Ivan Herman> q-
Ivan Herman: q- ←
15:47:18 <kasei> I was wondering the same thing as LukeWM.
Gregory Williams: I was wondering the same thing as LukeWM. ←
15:47:27 <AxelPolleres> PROPOSED: short name for property paths FPWD will be sparql11-property-paths
PROPOSED: short name for property paths FPWD will be sparql11-property-paths ←
15:47:32 <SteveH> q?
Steve Harris: q? ←
15:47:51 <AndyS> Luke, if time (;-) but I think it needs a name to publish this round separately as well.
Andy Seaborne: Luke, if time (;-) but I think it needs a name to publish this round separately as well. ←
15:48:02 <AlexPassant> SteveH: will it be a standalone doc or part of the query doc in the last call ?
Steve Harris: will it be a standalone doc or part of the query doc in the last call ? ←
15:48:15 <LukeWM> Ah, I see, so it can be merged across at the very end if required.
Luke Wilson-Mawer: Ah, I see, so it can be merged across at the very end if required. ←
15:48:23 <AlexPassant> AxelPolleres: can we include it later in the rec ?
Axel Polleres: can we include it later in the rec ? ←
15:48:30 <AlexPassant> Ivan Herman: correct
Ivan Herman: correct ←
15:48:54 <AxelPolleres> q?
Axel Polleres: q? ←
15:49:03 <SteveH> q-
Steve Harris: q- ←
15:49:20 <AlexPassant> sandro: different window for disclosure but shall not be a problem
Sandro Hawke: different window for disclosure but shall not be a problem ←
15:49:33 <SteveH> if it's going to be rolled into query11 it doesn't matter does it?
Steve Harris: if it's going to be rolled into query11 it doesn't matter does it? ←
15:49:38 <SteveH> which was why I asked
Steve Harris: which was why I asked ←
15:50:10 <AlexPassant> AxelPolleres: 2 options sparql11-paths / sparql11-property-paths
Axel Polleres: 2 options sparql11-paths / sparql11-property-paths ←
15:50:29 <AndyS> For incorporation, only prob I see is one of balance - the pp doc is relatively long for the size of feature compared to rest of feature set.
Andy Seaborne: For incorporation, only prob I see is one of balance - the pp doc is relatively long for the size of feature compared to rest of feature set. ←
15:50:34 <Zakim> -AlexPassant
Zakim IRC Bot: -AlexPassant ←
15:50:50 <SteveH> AndyS, I don't see that being a big issue, myself
Steve Harris: AndyS, I don't see that being a big issue, myself ←
15:50:59 <AxelPolleres> strawpoll on "property-" ?
Axel Polleres: strawpoll on "property-" ? ←
15:51:05 <Ivan Herman> +1 for property
Ivan Herman: +1 for property ←
15:51:06 <AxelPolleres> 0
Axel Polleres: 0 ←
15:51:07 <LukeWM> 0
15:51:07 <SteveH> +1
Steve Harris: +1 ←
15:51:11 <kasei> 0
15:51:14 <tommik> 0
Tommi Koivula: 0 ←
15:51:14 <bglimm> +1 for property
Birte Glimm: +1 for property ←
15:51:17 <AndyS> +1 to property
Andy Seaborne: +1 to property ←
15:51:23 <AxelPolleres> sandro: -1 to property
Sandro Hawke: -1 to property [ Scribe Assist by Axel Polleres ] ←
15:51:29 <AlexPassant> +1
+1 ←
15:51:36 <Zakim> +??P26
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P26 ←
15:51:43 <AlexPassant> Zakim, ??P26 is me
Zakim, ??P26 is me ←
15:51:43 <Zakim> +AlexPassant; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +AlexPassant; got it ←
15:51:44 <LeeF> +1 to property-path
Lee Feigenbaum: +1 to property-path ←
15:51:49 <Ivan Herman> +1 for plural
Ivan Herman: +1 for plural ←
15:51:49 <AndyS> SteveH, agree - merely the bigg*est* issue I could think of.
Andy Seaborne: SteveH, agree - merely the bigg*est* issue I could think of. ←
15:51:51 <AndyS> +1 to plural
Andy Seaborne: +1 to plural ←
15:51:51 <SteveH> +1 to plural
Steve Harris: +1 to plural ←
15:51:56 <AlexPassant> +1 for plural
+1 for plural ←
15:52:00 <bglimm> +1 for paths (plural)
Birte Glimm: +1 for paths (plural) ←
15:52:03 <kasei> +1 for plural
Gregory Williams: +1 for plural ←
15:52:04 <AxelPolleres> strawpoll: plural yes/no? (paths)
STRAWPOLL: plural yes/no? (paths) ←
15:52:05 <SteveH> AndyS, ah, I see
Steve Harris: AndyS, ah, I see ←
15:52:07 <LukeWM> +1 for plural
Luke Wilson-Mawer: +1 for plural ←
15:52:11 <Souri> 0
Souripriya Das: 0 ←
15:52:12 <LeeF> 0
Lee Feigenbaum: 0 ←
15:52:12 <AxelPolleres> sandro: 0
Sandro Hawke: 0 [ Scribe Assist by Axel Polleres ] ←
15:52:12 <MattPerry> +0
Matthew Perry: +0 ←
15:52:13 <tommik> 0
Tommi Koivula: 0 ←
15:52:14 <AxelPolleres> 0
Axel Polleres: 0 ←
15:52:16 <dcharbon2> 0
15:52:44 <AlexPassant> AxelPolleres: property-paths seems to be the consensus
Axel Polleres: property-paths seems to be the consensus ←
15:52:51 <AxelPolleres> PROPOSED: short name for property paths FPWD will be sparql11-property-paths
PROPOSED: short name for property paths FPWD will be sparql11-property-paths ←
15:52:57 <Ivan Herman> +1
Ivan Herman: +1 ←
15:53:08 <AndyS> Seconded
Andy Seaborne: Seconded ←
15:53:13 <bglimm> +1
Birte Glimm: +1 ←
15:53:38 <AxelPolleres> RESOLVED: short name for property paths FPWD will be sparql11-property-paths
RESOLVED: short name for property paths FPWD will be sparql11-property-paths ←
15:53:59 <bglimm> Zakim, unmute me
Birte Glimm: Zakim, unmute me ←
15:53:59 <Zakim> bglimm should no longer be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: bglimm should no longer be muted ←
15:54:01 <AlexPassant> AxelPolleres: nothing more to add on property path ?
Axel Polleres: nothing more to add on property path ? ←
15:54:09 <AlexPassant> ... one document open: entailment
... one document open: entailment ←
15:54:09 <AxelPolleres> http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/entailment/xmlspec.xml
Axel Polleres: http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/entailment/xmlspec.xml ←
15:54:19 <AlexPassant> bglimm: currently working through ivan's comment
Birte Glimm: currently working through ivan's comment ←
15:54:28 <AlexPassant> ... should be finished today so that ivan can have another look
... should be finished today so that ivan can have another look ←
15:55:31 <AxelPolleres> will try to look through OWL until tomorrow then.
Axel Polleres: will try to look through OWL until tomorrow then. ←
15:55:43 <AlexPassant> ... updated OWL direct semantics with changes that ivan suggested
... updated OWL direct semantics with changes that ivan suggested ←
15:55:57 <AndyS> q+
Andy Seaborne: q+ ←
15:56:35 <AlexPassant> AndyS: trying to respond to every comment, what are the general expectations for comments
Andy Seaborne: trying to respond to every comment, what are the general expectations for comments ←
15:56:50 <AlexPassant> ... for the internal reviews
... for the internal reviews ←
15:57:02 <AlexPassant> ... so that nothing gets lost
... so that nothing gets lost ←
15:57:33 <Ivan Herman> q+
Ivan Herman: q+ ←
15:57:37 <AndyS> ack me
Andy Seaborne: ack me ←
15:58:08 <AlexPassant> Ivan Herman: public comments coming in on the ML
Ivan Herman: public comments coming in on the ML ←
15:58:11 <AxelPolleres> http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/Comments
Axel Polleres: http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/Comments ←
15:58:25 <AlexPassant> AxelPolleres: should check the comments list if that's up to date + new comments coming
Axel Polleres: should check the comments list if that's up to date + new comments coming ←
15:58:36 <AxelPolleres> ACTION: Axel to check comments archives and add new comments if necessary
ACTION: Axel to check comments archives and add new comments if necessary ←
15:58:36 <trackbot> Created ACTION-178 - Check comments archives and add new comments if necessary [on Axel Polleres - due 2010-01-12].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-178 - Check comments archives and add new comments if necessary [on Axel Polleres - due 2010-01-12]. ←
15:58:53 <AlexPassant> AxelPolleres: anybody can edit the page and pick-up open comments
Axel Polleres: anybody can edit the page and pick-up open comments ←
15:58:57 <AndyS> Are there any glaring late responses currently?
Andy Seaborne: Are there any glaring late responses currently? ←
15:59:08 <AlexPassant> ... should go through the comments next week if time permits
... should go through the comments next week if time permits ←
16:00:06 <AlexPassant> ... meeting ajourned
... meeting ajourned ←
16:00:10 <bglimm> bye
Birte Glimm: bye ←
16:00:13 <Zakim> -Souri
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16:00:14 <Zakim> -Sandro
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16:00:15 <Zakim> -bglimm
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16:00:16 <Zakim> -dcharbon2
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16:00:16 <Zakim> -Ivan Herman
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16:00:18 <Zakim> -tkoivula
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16:00:19 <AxelPolleres> Alex, will you do the minutes magic?
Axel Polleres: Alex, will you do the minutes magic? ←
16:00:20 <Zakim> -[Garlik]
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16:00:22 <Zakim> -kasei
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16:00:22 <Zakim> -MattPerry
Zakim IRC Bot: -MattPerry ←
16:00:32 <AlexPassant> yep, will try to recall how to do it
yep, will try to recall how to do it ←
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