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RDF Web Applications Working Group Teleconference

Minutes of 01 March 2012

Agenda
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdfa-wg/2012Feb/0084.html
Seen
Gregg Kellogg, Ivan Herman, Manu Sporny, Niklas Lindström, Shane McCarron, Steven Pemberton, Stéphane Corlosquet, Ted Thibodeau
Scribe
Gregg Kellogg
IRC Log
Original
Resolutions
  1. Host Languages are allowed to specify the valid lexical space of an element's attribute value. link
  2. The Working Group reaffirms that @id MUST NOT be used to set the subject in the RDFa Core specification. link
  3. Propose to the Director that RDFa Core 1.1, RDFa Lite 1.1, and XHTML+RDFa 1.1 are ready to enter the Candidate Recommendation Phase. link
  4. The exit criteria for the RDFa 1.1 Candidate Recommendation phase will be two independent implementations that support each feature mentioned in the RDFa 1.1 Core and XHTML+RDFa 1.1 specifications. link
Topics
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14:52:01 <trackbot> Meeting: RDF Web Applications Working Group Teleconference
14:52:02 <trackbot> Date: 01 March 2012
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15:05:42 <manu1> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdfa-wg/2012Feb/0084.html
15:06:52 <ShaneM> zakim, what is the code?

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15:07:40 <gkellogg> scribe: gkellogg

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15:07:56 <gkellogg> Discussion about clojoure implementation for RDFa Processor and how functional languages work wrt. the RDFa processing algorithm. @inlist tends to be the most complicated thing.

Discussion about clojoure implementation for RDFa Processor and how functional languages work wrt. the RDFa processing algorithm. @inlist tends to be the most complicated thing.

15:08:28 <Zakim> +Steven

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15:10:21 <manu1> q+ to start the telecon.

Manu Sporny: q+ to start the telecon.

15:10:59 <gkellogg> manu: remaining issues, one we hadn't responded to

Manu Sporny: remaining issues, one we hadn't responded to

15:11:16 <gkellogg> … next, need to decide if we're taking specs to rec and publication dates.

… next, need to decide if we're taking specs to rec and publication dates.

15:11:19 <manu1> ack manu1

Manu Sporny: ack manu1

15:11:19 <Zakim> manu1, you wanted to start the telecon.

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15:11:30 <Steven> DST in two weeks time

Steven Pemberton: DST in two weeks time

15:11:47 <gkellogg> ivan: one update, Mike Smith answered with additional editorial comments.

Ivan Herman: one update, Mike Smith answered with additional editorial comments.

15:11:49 <Steven> q+

Steven Pemberton: q+

15:12:03 <niklasl> q+

Niklas Lindström: q+

15:12:05 <gkellogg> manu: scor also asked for some additional editorial changes

Manu Sporny: scor also asked for some additional editorial changes

15:12:30 <gkellogg> manu: we should discuss Mike Smith's suggestions.

Manu Sporny: we should discuss Mike Smith's suggestions.

15:12:30 <manu> Topic: RDFa Attribute Value Conformance in Host Languages

1. RDFa Attribute Value Conformance in Host Languages

15:12:57 <gkellogg> steven: reminder that DST goes off in the US 2 weeks before Europe.

Steven Pemberton: reminder that DST goes off in the US 2 weeks before Europe.

15:13:07 <manu1> ack steven

Manu Sporny: ack steven

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15:13:10 <manu1> ack niklasl

Manu Sporny: ack niklasl

15:13:38 <gkellogg> ivan: minor editorial changes can be made through rec.

Ivan Herman: minor editorial changes can be made through rec.

15:14:03 <gkellogg> niklas: had wanted to add some clarity to CURIEs and '//' (assuming it remains editorial)

Niklas Lindström: had wanted to add some clarity to CURIEs and '//' (assuming it remains editorial)

15:15:42 <gkellogg> ivan: shane, can you look at proposed changes?

Ivan Herman: shane, can you look at proposed changes?

15:16:12 <gkellogg> shane: They're pretty trivial... Mike wants host languages to be able to specify what is conforming in an attribute value.

Shane McCarron: They're pretty trivial... Mike wants host languages to be able to specify what is conforming in an attribute value.

15:16:37 <gkellogg> … e.g., if a host language can disallow @typeof='', that would be a problem.

… e.g., if a host language can disallow @typeof='', that would be a problem.

15:17:13 <gkellogg> manu: it would be a bad idea for a host language author to do that, but should we disallow it?

Manu Sporny: it would be a bad idea for a host language author to do that, but should we disallow it?

15:18:15 <gkellogg> … however, the certain working groups could disallow @rel and @rev, which could handicap RDFa in those languages.

… however, the certain working groups could disallow @rel and @rev, which could handicap RDFa in those languages.

15:19:01 <gkellogg> … the specific attributes that were suggested by Mike Smith wouldn't be a real issue.

… the specific attributes that were suggested by Mike Smith wouldn't be a real issue.

15:19:48 <manu1> PROPOSAL: Host Languages are allowed to specify the valid lexical space in an elements attribute values.

PROPOSED: Host Languages are allowed to specify the valid lexical space in an elements attribute values.

15:20:56 <niklasl> q+

Niklas Lindström: q+

15:21:03 <manu1> ack niklasl

Manu Sporny: ack niklasl

15:21:28 <gkellogg> niklasl: if authors want to support RDFa, shouldn't they need to support everything in RDFa core?

Niklas Lindström: if authors want to support RDFa, shouldn't they need to support everything in RDFa core?

15:21:48 <gkellogg> manu: currently, the HTML5+RDFa spec says you need to implement all of RDFa Core

Manu Sporny: currently, the HTML5+RDFa spec says you need to implement all of RDFa Core

15:22:24 <gkellogg> … they may have a good reason _not_ to allow all attributes (e.g., @about is already used in the language)

… they may have a good reason _not_ to allow all attributes (e.g., @about is already used in the language)

15:22:43 <gkellogg> … doesn't affect the processor, only allows the HL to say it's invalid.

… doesn't affect the processor, only allows the HL to say it's invalid.

15:23:09 <gkellogg> gregg: +1

Gregg Kellogg: +1

15:23:09 <manu1> +1

Manu Sporny: +1

15:23:11 <ivan> +1

Ivan Herman: +1

15:23:12 <ShaneM> +1

Shane McCarron: +1

15:23:13 <MacTed> +1

Ted Thibodeau: +1

15:23:18 <niklasl> +

Niklas Lindström: +

15:23:19 <niklasl> +0

Niklas Lindström: +0

15:23:28 <scor> +1

Stéphane Corlosquet: +1

15:23:45 <Steven> +0

Steven Pemberton: +0

15:23:45 <ShaneM>   "an empty string for the value of any RDFa attribute MUST be allowed as   conforming unless a Host Language specifically disallows the empty string   for a particular attribute"

Shane McCarron: "an empty string for the value of any RDFa attribute MUST be allowed as conforming unless a Host Language specifically disallows the empty string for a particular attribute"

15:23:59 <manu1> RESOLVED: Host Languages are allowed to specify the valid lexical space of an element's attribute value.

RESOLVED: Host Languages are allowed to specify the valid lexical space of an element's attribute value.

15:24:29 <manu1> Topic: ISSUE-121: @id to set subject

2. ISSUE-121: @id to set subject

15:24:48 <manu1> We had already resolved this: The @id attribute MUST NOT be used to identify a subject in RDFa - http://www.w3.org/2010/02/rdfa/meetings/2011-12-08#resolution_4

Manu Sporny: We had already resolved this: The @id attribute MUST NOT be used to identify a subject in RDFa - http://www.w3.org/2010/02/rdfa/meetings/2011-12-08#resolution_4

15:24:53 <gkellogg> manu: using @id to set the subject.

Manu Sporny: using @id to set the subject.

15:25:22 <gkellogg> … sebastian thought that there was a bit of support for it

… sebastian thought that there was a bit of support for it

15:25:38 <Steven> -1

Steven Pemberton: -1

15:25:53 <Steven> No!

Steven Pemberton: No!

15:26:10 <ivan> no way!

Ivan Herman: no way!

15:26:14 <gkellogg> … Sebastian proposed that @id is used as a subject if @typeof is also on the same element.

… Sebastian proposed that @id is used as a subject if @typeof is also on the same element.

15:26:22 <ivan> major backward incompatibility issue

Ivan Herman: major backward incompatibility issue

15:26:32 <ivan> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdfa-wg/2012Jan/0099.html

Ivan Herman: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdfa-wg/2012Jan/0099.html

15:26:34 <Steven> Re-last call

Steven Pemberton: Re-last call

15:26:39 <niklasl> q+

Niklas Lindström: q+

15:26:45 <ShaneM> q+ about role

Shane McCarron: q+ about role

15:26:52 <gkellogg> manu: also an issue with the HTML group, as it causes existing attributes to be interpreted in different ways.

Manu Sporny: also an issue with the HTML group, as it causes existing attributes to be interpreted in different ways.

15:26:55 <ShaneM> q- about

Shane McCarron: q- about

15:26:57 <ShaneM> q- role

Shane McCarron: q- role

15:27:01 <ShaneM> q+ to discuss the role attribute

Shane McCarron: q+ to discuss the role attribute

15:27:11 <manu1> ack niklasl

Manu Sporny: ack niklasl

15:27:26 <gkellogg> niklasl: for the record, I do not want @id to be used as @about or @resource because of HTTP Range-14

Niklas Lindström: for the record, I do not want @id to be used as @about or @resource because of HTTP Range-14

15:28:07 <gkellogg> … My thought was that in certain scenarios, there could be a number of cases where @id could be similar to @about, but when looking to an implementation, it was clear it was a real problem.

… My thought was that in certain scenarios, there could be a number of cases where @id could be similar to @about, but when looking to an implementation, it was clear it was a real problem.

15:28:19 <manu1> ack shanem

Manu Sporny: ack shanem

15:28:19 <Zakim> ShaneM, you wanted to discuss the role attribute

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15:28:20 <gkellogg> manu: clear that WG does not want to support.

Manu Sporny: clear that WG does not want to support.

15:28:34 <gkellogg> shane: role spec uses the @id attribute

Shane McCarron: role spec uses the @id attribute

15:28:47 <gkellogg> … but, it doesn't set the subject for any other RDFa.

… but, it doesn't set the subject for any other RDFa.

15:29:32 <gkellogg> manu: other reason to not tie @id to @typeof is so the author isn't confused between different uses.

Manu Sporny: other reason to not tie @id to @typeof is so the author isn't confused between different uses.

15:29:55 <gkellogg> … however, having the role spec use it, weakens the argument.

… however, having the role spec use it, weakens the argument.

15:29:58 <gkellogg> niklas: No, it doesn't because the role spec is talking about elements on the page, not concepts that can exist outside of the page.

Niklas Lindström: No, it doesn't because the role spec is talking about elements on the page, not concepts that can exist outside of the page.

15:31:28 <manu1> PROPOSAL: The Working Group reaffirms that @id MUST NOT be used to set the subject in the RDFa Core specification.

PROPOSED: The Working Group reaffirms that @id MUST NOT be used to set the subject in the RDFa Core specification.

15:31:30 <gkellogg> gkellogg: +1

Gregg Kellogg: +1

15:31:31 <ivan> +1

Ivan Herman: +1

15:31:32 <niklasl> +1

Niklas Lindström: +1

15:31:33 <manu1> +1

Manu Sporny: +1

15:31:44 <Steven> +1

Steven Pemberton: +1

15:31:51 <MacTed> +1

Ted Thibodeau: +1

15:31:56 <ShaneM> +1

Shane McCarron: +1

15:31:59 <scor> +1

Stéphane Corlosquet: +1

15:32:02 <manu1> RESOLVED: The Working Group reaffirms that @id MUST NOT be used to set the subject in the RDFa Core specification.

RESOLVED: The Working Group reaffirms that @id MUST NOT be used to set the subject in the RDFa Core specification.

15:32:03 <niklasl> (.. because that would conflate the document elements and the subject matter of the content.)

Niklas Lindström: (.. because that would conflate the document elements and the subject matter of the content.)

15:32:17 <manu1> Topic: Take RDFa 1.1 to Candidate Recommendation

3. Take RDFa 1.1 to Candidate Recommendation

15:32:36 <manu1> The RDFa Core 1.1 Spec: http://www.w3.org/2010/02/rdfa/drafts/2012/ED-rdfa-core-20120223/

Manu Sporny: The RDFa Core 1.1 Spec: http://www.w3.org/2010/02/rdfa/drafts/2012/ED-rdfa-core-20120223/

15:32:38 <manu1> The RDFa Lite 1.1 Spec: http://www.w3.org/2010/02/rdfa/drafts/2012/WD-rdfa-lite-20120227/

Manu Sporny: The RDFa Lite 1.1 Spec: http://www.w3.org/2010/02/rdfa/drafts/2012/WD-rdfa-lite-20120227/

15:32:40 <manu1> The XHTML+RDFa 1.1 Spec: http://www.w3.org/2010/02/rdfa/drafts/2012/ED-xhtml-rdfa-20120223/

Manu Sporny: The XHTML+RDFa 1.1 Spec: http://www.w3.org/2010/02/rdfa/drafts/2012/ED-xhtml-rdfa-20120223/

15:33:00 <gkellogg> manu: note that there are two sets of editorial edits remaining:

Manu Sporny: note that there are two sets of editorial edits remaining:

15:33:13 <gkellogg> … Mike Smith's and Stephane's

… Mike Smith's and Stephane's

15:33:20 <scor> manu1: ok

Manu Sporny: ok [ Scribe Assist by Stéphane Corlosquet ]

15:33:27 <gkellogg> … I'd rather make those after we're in CR to save time.

… I'd rather make those after we're in CR to save time.

15:33:44 <scor> ShaneM: private email

Shane McCarron: private email [ Scribe Assist by Stéphane Corlosquet ]

15:33:54 <scor> I can send them to the mailing list

Stéphane Corlosquet: I can send them to the mailing list

15:35:13 <manu1> PROPOSAL: Propose to the Director that RDFa Core 1.1, RDFa Lite 1.1, and XHTML+RDFa 1.1 are ready to enter the Candidate Recommendation Phase.

PROPOSED: Propose to the Director that RDFa Core 1.1, RDFa Lite 1.1, and XHTML+RDFa 1.1 are ready to enter the Candidate Recommendation Phase.

15:35:37 <ivan> +1

Ivan Herman: +1

15:35:37 <Steven> +1

Steven Pemberton: +1

15:35:37 <gkellogg> gkellogg: +1

Gregg Kellogg: +1

15:35:38 <manu1> +1

Manu Sporny: +1

15:35:39 <niklasl> +1

Niklas Lindström: +1

15:35:40 <ShaneM> +1

Shane McCarron: +1

15:35:45 <MacTed> +1

Ted Thibodeau: +1

15:35:47 <scor> +1

Stéphane Corlosquet: +1

15:35:51 <manu1> RESOLVED: Propose to the Director that RDFa Core 1.1, RDFa Lite 1.1, and XHTML+RDFa 1.1 are ready to enter the Candidate Recommendation Phase.

RESOLVED: Propose to the Director that RDFa Core 1.1, RDFa Lite 1.1, and XHTML+RDFa 1.1 are ready to enter the Candidate Recommendation Phase.

15:35:53 <gkellogg> ... Rejoicing ...

... Rejoicing ...

15:36:03 <ivan> q+

Ivan Herman: q+

15:36:03 <manu1> Topic: Candidate Recommendation Exit Criteria

4. Candidate Recommendation Exit Criteria

15:36:07 <manu1> ack ivan

Manu Sporny: ack ivan

15:36:28 <gkellogg> ivan: manu, I and shane have already tried to set things up to move fast.

Ivan Herman: manu, I and shane have already tried to set things up to move fast.

15:36:45 <gkellogg> … telco at 9:00 eastern on monday to go over the transition.

… telco at 9:00 eastern on monday to go over the transition.

15:37:11 <gkellogg> … this means that there is an additional process that there should be a week between transition request and publication

… this means that there is an additional process that there should be a week between transition request and publication

15:37:22 <gkellogg> … the earliest we can publish is in a week.

… the earliest we can publish is in a week.

15:37:54 <gkellogg> … this should just be a formality. A week from Tuesday would be a good time.

… this should just be a formality. A week from Tuesday would be a good time.

15:38:34 <gkellogg> manu: for CR exit criteria, we need to decide what is required.

Manu Sporny: for CR exit criteria, we need to decide what is required.

15:38:46 <gkellogg> … at least two interoperable implementations.

… at least two interoperable implementations.

15:39:19 <gkellogg> ivan: to be more precise, we need to impls that pass every test in the suite, or for each suite, there must be at least two interoperable implementations.

Ivan Herman: to be more precise, we need to impls that pass every test in the suite, or for each suite, there must be at least two interoperable implementations.

15:39:38 <gkellogg> manu: do we feel we can meet it?

Manu Sporny: do we feel we can meet it?

15:39:57 <MacTed> Zakim, mute me

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15:40:10 <gkellogg> ivan: my intention is to be fully green.

Ivan Herman: my intention is to be fully green.

15:40:44 <manu1> Gregg: My implementation is all green right now...

Gregg Kellogg: My implementation is all green right now... [ Scribe Assist by Manu Sporny ]

15:40:58 <manu1> q+ to specify which test suite we mean.

Manu Sporny: q+ to specify which test suite we mean.

15:41:20 <gkellogg> ivan: question is what constitutes exit criteria.

Ivan Herman: question is what constitutes exit criteria.

15:41:37 <gkellogg> manu: only test suites which are absolute criteria.

Manu Sporny: only test suites which are absolute criteria.

15:41:40 <gkellogg> q+

q+

15:41:50 <manu1> ack manu1

Manu Sporny: ack manu1

15:41:50 <Zakim> manu1, you wanted to specify which test suite we mean.

Zakim IRC Bot: manu1, you wanted to specify which test suite we mean.

15:42:11 <manu1> ack gkellogg

Manu Sporny: ack gkellogg

15:42:32 <manu1> gkellogg: My understanding is that vocabulary expansion is optional, but if they implement it, they must pass the suite.

Gregg Kellogg: My understanding is that vocabulary expansion is optional, but if they implement it, they must pass the suite. [ Scribe Assist by Manu Sporny ]

15:42:46 <niklasl> q+

Niklas Lindström: q+

15:42:49 <manu1> Ivan: The goal of the CR is to prove that stuff is implementable.

Ivan Herman: The goal of the CR is to prove that stuff is implementable. [ Scribe Assist by Manu Sporny ]

15:42:58 <gkellogg> ivan: goal of CR is to prove that the spec is implementable.

Ivan Herman: goal of CR is to prove that the spec is implementable.

15:43:19 <gkellogg> … it is a strong responsibility on gkellogg and ivan if we go for stronger requirement.

… it is a strong responsibility on gkellogg and ivan if we go for stronger requirement.

15:44:08 <gkellogg> … I think that for the "official" exit criteria, I would prefer to say that each suite must be fully green with at least two versions.

… I think that for the "official" exit criteria, I would prefer to say that each suite must be fully green with at least two versions.

15:44:19 <manu1> ack niklasl

Manu Sporny: ack niklasl

15:44:34 <gkellogg> … my (and gkellogg's) should be able to do this, but don't want to depend on this.

… my (and gkellogg's) should be able to do this, but don't want to depend on this.

15:44:55 <gkellogg> niklasl: it is dependent upon some OWL rules.

Niklas Lindström: it is dependent upon some OWL rules.

15:44:59 <gkellogg> ivan: only a limited set.

Ivan Herman: only a limited set.

15:45:24 <gkellogg> niklasl: an implementation that includes a complete OWL implementation would be able to pass the spec.

Niklas Lindström: an implementation that includes a complete OWL implementation would be able to pass the spec.

15:46:29 <gkellogg> niklasl: Java has an OWL reasoner, which could be accessed from the Clojure implementation.

Niklas Lindström: Java has an OWL reasoner, which could be accessed from the Clojure implementation.

15:46:58 <gkellogg> ivan: implementation needs to make a good link between RDFa reasoner and OWL implementation.

Ivan Herman: implementation needs to make a good link between RDFa reasoner and OWL implementation.

15:47:06 <gkellogg> … I would propose that we go for weaker case.

… I would propose that we go for weaker case.

15:49:12 <gkellogg> ivan: if we use XML and XHTML, then we are fine.

Ivan Herman: if we use XML and XHTML, then we are fine.

15:50:30 <manu1> gkellogg: There was one thing that was difficult to implement against each host language, but I think that was resolved.

Gregg Kellogg: There was one thing that was difficult to implement against each host language, but I think that was resolved. [ Scribe Assist by Manu Sporny ]

15:50:33 <MacTed> Zakim, unmute me

Ted Thibodeau: Zakim, unmute me

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15:52:08 <gkellogg> ivan: XML+RDFa and XHTML+RDFa are two different combinations.

Ivan Herman: XML+RDFa and XHTML+RDFa are two different combinations.

15:52:28 <MacTed> four boxes: XML1+RDFa1.1, XHTML1+RDFa1.1, XML1+RDF1.1VE, XHTML1+RDFa1.1VE

Ted Thibodeau: four boxes: XML1+RDFa1.1, XHTML1+RDFa1.1, XML1+RDF1.1VE, XHTML1+RDFa1.1VE

15:52:48 <MacTed> each box needs 2 passing implementations

Ted Thibodeau: each box needs 2 passing implementations

15:54:27 <gkellogg> ivan: we have about 280 tests, we're saying that each of these test must be passed by at least two implementations.

Ivan Herman: we have about 280 tests, we're saying that each of these test must be passed by at least two implementations.

15:55:50 <gkellogg> manu: there was an issue with RDFa 1.0 where things would not pass due to XMLLiteral C14N test issues.

Manu Sporny: there was an issue with RDFa 1.0 where things would not pass due to XMLLiteral C14N test issues.

15:56:12 <niklasl> .. the host language isn't a factor once the basic triples have been extracted; the VE is only dependent on those triples.

Niklas Lindström: .. the host language isn't a factor once the basic triples have been extracted; the VE is only dependent on those triples.

15:56:25 <gkellogg> MacTed: we need at least two implementations that pass everything in each suite

Ted Thibodeau: we need at least two implementations that pass everything in each suite

15:56:26 <ShaneM> q+ to attempt to clarify

Shane McCarron: q+ to attempt to clarify

15:56:34 <ShaneM> q-

Shane McCarron: q-

15:56:35 <manu1> ack shanem

Manu Sporny: ack shanem

15:56:37 <niklasl> q+

Niklas Lindström: q+

15:58:50 <manu1> PROPOSAL: The exit criteria for the RDFa 1.1 Candidate Recommendation phase will be two independent implementations that support each feature mentioned in the RDFa 1.1 Core and XHTML+RDFa 1.1 specifications.

PROPOSED: The exit criteria for the RDFa 1.1 Candidate Recommendation phase will be two independent implementations that support each feature mentioned in the RDFa 1.1 Core and XHTML+RDFa 1.1 specifications.

15:58:59 <ivan> +1

Ivan Herman: +1

15:59:02 <Steven> +1

Steven Pemberton: +1

15:59:03 <ShaneM> Note that we DO NOT have a CR exit criteria about the XHTML M12N module.  And that's fine.

Shane McCarron: Note that we DO NOT have a CR exit criteria about the XHTML M12N module. And that's fine.

15:59:04 <ShaneM> +1

Shane McCarron: +1

15:59:05 <manu1> +1

Manu Sporny: +1

15:59:05 <gkellogg> gkellogg: +1

Gregg Kellogg: +1

15:59:06 <scor> +1

Stéphane Corlosquet: +1

15:59:07 <niklasl> +1

Niklas Lindström: +1

15:59:09 <MacTed> +1

Ted Thibodeau: +1

15:59:14 <manu1> RESOLVED: The exit criteria for the RDFa 1.1 Candidate Recommendation phase will be two independent implementations that support each feature mentioned in the RDFa 1.1 Core and XHTML+RDFa 1.1 specifications.

RESOLVED: The exit criteria for the RDFa 1.1 Candidate Recommendation phase will be two independent implementations that support each feature mentioned in the RDFa 1.1 Core and XHTML+RDFa 1.1 specifications.

15:59:21 <niklasl> q-

Niklas Lindström: q-

15:59:34 <manu1> Topic: Implementations

5. Implementations

15:59:42 <gkellogg> ivan: end of CR period is about the end of April, quite a long time.

Ivan Herman: end of CR period is about the end of April, quite a long time.

16:00:05 <gkellogg> … this is because there is a minimal time between first public draft and PR, and RDfa 1.1 Lite came into the picture relatively late.

… this is because there is a minimal time between first public draft and PR, and RDfa 1.1 Lite came into the picture relatively late.

16:00:16 <Zakim> -ShaneM

Zakim IRC Bot: -ShaneM

16:00:17 <gkellogg> … I think we'll be done earlier, but this is the best time.

… I think we'll be done earlier, but this is the best time.

16:00:17 <gkellogg> Manu: We have commitments for implementations in: Python, Ruby, C, Clojure (and thus Java and possibly JavaScript), and Perl.

Manu Sporny: We have commitments for implementations in: Python, Ruby, C, Clojure (and thus Java and possibly JavaScript), and Perl.

16:01:11 <Zakim> -MacTed

Zakim IRC Bot: -MacTed

16:01:12 <Zakim> -Steven

Zakim IRC Bot: -Steven

16:01:25 <Zakim> -scor

Zakim IRC Bot: -scor

16:01:39 <manu1> Manu: I will be updating librdfa to RDFa 1.1 (as well as the Python wrapper)

Manu Sporny: I will be updating librdfa to RDFa 1.1 (as well as the Python wrapper) [ Scribe Assist by Manu Sporny ]

16:12:49 <niklasl> (my impl., in it's current haphazard state, passes 75% at this moment)

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Niklas Lindström: (my impl., in it's current haphazard state, passes 75% at this moment)



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