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15:01:52 <RRSAgent> logging to http://www.w3.org/2011/01/20-rdfa-irc
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15:01:54 <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs world
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15:01:56 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be 7332
Trackbot IRC Bot: Zakim, this will be 7332 ←
15:01:56 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see SW_RDFa()10:00AM scheduled to start now
Zakim IRC Bot: ok, trackbot; I see SW_RDFa()10:00AM scheduled to start now ←
15:01:57 <tinkster> Zakim, who is here?
Toby Inkster: Zakim, who is here? ←
15:01:57 <trackbot> Meeting: RDFa Working Group Teleconference
15:01:57 <trackbot> Date: 20 January 2011
15:01:57 <Zakim> SW_RDFa()10:00AM has not yet started, tinkster
Zakim IRC Bot: SW_RDFa()10:00AM has not yet started, tinkster ←
15:01:59 <Zakim> On IRC I see RRSAgent, Zakim, Benjamin, Knud, tinkster, ShaneM, Steven, trackbot, ivan, webr3, markbirbeck, manu1, manu
Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see RRSAgent, Zakim, Benjamin, Knud, tinkster, ShaneM, Steven, trackbot, ivan, webr3, markbirbeck, manu1, manu ←
15:02:13 <ivan> zakim, dial ivan-voip
Ivan Herman: zakim, dial ivan-voip ←
15:02:13 <Zakim> ok, ivan; the call is being made
Zakim IRC Bot: ok, ivan; the call is being made ←
15:02:25 <tinkster> Zakim, who is here?
Toby Inkster: Zakim, who is here? ←
15:02:25 <Zakim> SW_RDFa()10:00AM has not yet started, tinkster
Zakim IRC Bot: SW_RDFa()10:00AM has not yet started, tinkster ←
15:02:26 <Zakim> On IRC I see RRSAgent, Zakim, Benjamin, Knud, tinkster, ShaneM, Steven, trackbot, ivan, webr3, markbirbeck, manu1, manu
Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see RRSAgent, Zakim, Benjamin, Knud, tinkster, ShaneM, Steven, trackbot, ivan, webr3, markbirbeck, manu1, manu ←
15:02:38 <Benjamin> zakim, who is on the phone?
Benjamin Adrian: zakim, who is on the phone? ←
15:02:38 <Zakim> SW_RDFa()10:00AM has not yet started, Benjamin
Zakim IRC Bot: SW_RDFa()10:00AM has not yet started, Benjamin ←
15:02:39 <Zakim> On IRC I see RRSAgent, Zakim, Benjamin, Knud, tinkster, ShaneM, Steven, trackbot, ivan, webr3, markbirbeck, manu1, manu
Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see RRSAgent, Zakim, Benjamin, Knud, tinkster, ShaneM, Steven, trackbot, ivan, webr3, markbirbeck, manu1, manu ←
15:03:29 <tinkster> Zakim, mute me
Toby Inkster: Zakim, mute me ←
15:03:29 <Zakim> sorry, tinkster, I don't know what conference this is
Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, tinkster, I don't know what conference this is ←
15:03:33 <manu1> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdfa-wg/2011Jan/0095.html
15:03:35 <manu1> Chair: Manu
15:03:35 <manu1> Present: Benjamin, Ivan, Knud, Manu, Nathan, Shane, Steven, Toby
15:03:38 <tinkster> Zakim, this is RDFA
Toby Inkster: Zakim, this is RDFA ←
15:03:38 <Zakim> ok, tinkster; that matches SW_RDFa()10:00AM
Zakim IRC Bot: ok, tinkster; that matches SW_RDFa()10:00AM ←
15:03:42 <tinkster> I can scribe.
Toby Inkster: I can scribe. ←
15:03:43 <manu1> Scribe: Toby
(Scribe set to Toby Inkster)
15:03:51 <tinkster> Zakim, who is here?
Zakim, who is here? ←
15:03:51 <Zakim> On the phone I see ShaneM, +44.123.456.aaaa, +47.85.583.aacc, Ivan, ??P31, +3539149aadd
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see ShaneM, +44.123.456.aaaa, +47.85.583.aacc, Ivan, ??P31, +3539149aadd ←
15:03:54 <Zakim> On IRC I see RRSAgent, Zakim, Benjamin, Knud, tinkster, ShaneM, Steven, trackbot, ivan, webr3, markbirbeck, manu1, manu
Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see RRSAgent, Zakim, Benjamin, Knud, tinkster, ShaneM, Steven, trackbot, ivan, webr3, markbirbeck, manu1, manu ←
15:04:06 <manu1> zakim, I am aadd
Manu Sporny: zakim, I am aadd ←
15:04:08 <Zakim> +manu1; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +manu1; got it ←
15:04:09 <Steven> zakim, dial steven-617
Steven Pemberton: zakim, dial steven-617 ←
15:04:09 <Zakim> ok, Steven; the call is being made
Zakim IRC Bot: ok, Steven; the call is being made ←
15:04:11 <tinkster> Zakim, aacc is me
Zakim, aacc is me ←
15:04:11 <Zakim> +Steven
Zakim IRC Bot: +Steven ←
15:04:11 <Zakim> +tinkster; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +tinkster; got it ←
15:04:29 <tinkster> Zakim, mute me
Zakim, mute me ←
15:04:29 <Zakim> tinkster should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: tinkster should now be muted ←
15:04:33 <Steven> zakim, who is on the phone?
Steven Pemberton: zakim, who is on the phone? ←
15:04:33 <Zakim> On the phone I see ShaneM, +44.123.456.aaaa, tinkster (muted), Ivan, ??P31, manu1, Steven
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see ShaneM, +44.123.456.aaaa, tinkster (muted), Ivan, ??P31, manu1, Steven ←
15:04:51 <Steven> zakim, who is making noise?
Steven Pemberton: zakim, who is making noise? ←
15:04:56 <Knud> zakim, I am aadd
Knud Möller: zakim, I am aadd ←
15:04:56 <Zakim> sorry, Knud, I do not see a party named 'aadd'
Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, Knud, I do not see a party named 'aadd' ←
15:05:01 <Zakim> Steven, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: ShaneM (9%), ??P31 (62%), Ivan (21%), manu1 (40%)
Zakim IRC Bot: Steven, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: ShaneM (9%), ??P31 (62%), Ivan (21%), manu1 (40%) ←
15:05:04 <tinkster> Manu: any adjustments to agenda?
Manu Sporny: any adjustments to agenda? ←
15:06:41 <Zakim> +??P32
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P32 ←
15:06:42 <tinkster> Shane: role attribute module is in Last Call. Someone should respond to it, but it shouldn't be me, as I'm the principle author!
Shane McCarron: role attribute module is in Last Call. Someone should respond to it, but it shouldn't be me, as I'm the principle author! ←
15:06:48 <webr3> Zakim, I am ??
Nathan Rixham: Zakim, I am ?? ←
15:06:48 <Zakim> sorry, webr3, I do not see a party named '??'
Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, webr3, I do not see a party named '??' ←
15:06:53 <webr3> Zakim, I am ??P32
Nathan Rixham: Zakim, I am ??P32 ←
15:06:53 <Zakim> +webr3; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +webr3; got it ←
15:06:59 <tinkster> Toby: I'll review it.
Toby Inkster: I'll review it. ←
15:07:05 <manu1> ACTION: Toby to review the @role specification.
ACTION: Toby to review the @role specification. ←
15:07:06 <trackbot> Created ACTION-41 - Review the @role specification. [on Toby Inkster - due 2011-01-27].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-41 - Review the @role specification. [on Toby Inkster - due 2011-01-27]. ←
15:08:14 <tinkster> Zakim, who's making noise?
Zakim, who's making noise? ←
15:08:24 <Zakim> tinkster, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Ivan (15%), manu1 (54%)
Zakim IRC Bot: tinkster, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Ivan (15%), manu1 (54%) ←
15:08:36 <ivan> zakim, drop me
Ivan Herman: zakim, drop me ←
15:08:36 <Zakim> Ivan is being disconnected
Zakim IRC Bot: Ivan is being disconnected ←
15:08:37 <Zakim> -Ivan
Zakim IRC Bot: -Ivan ←
15:08:52 <ivan> zakim, dial ivan-voip
Ivan Herman: zakim, dial ivan-voip ←
15:08:54 <Zakim> ok, ivan; the call is being made
Zakim IRC Bot: ok, ivan; the call is being made ←
15:08:54 <Zakim> +Ivan
Zakim IRC Bot: +Ivan ←
15:08:56 <Zakim> -??P31
Zakim IRC Bot: -??P31 ←
15:09:04 <Steven> zakim, who is making noise?
Steven Pemberton: zakim, who is making noise? ←
15:09:11 <Benjamin> zakim, who is on the phone?
Benjamin Adrian: zakim, who is on the phone? ←
15:09:11 <Zakim> On the phone I see ShaneM, +44.123.456.aaaa, tinkster (muted), Ivan, manu1, Steven, webr3
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see ShaneM, +44.123.456.aaaa, tinkster (muted), Ivan, manu1, Steven, webr3 ←
15:09:15 <Zakim> Steven, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: ShaneM (39%), webr3 (8%), manu1 (53%), Ivan (24%)
Zakim IRC Bot: Steven, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: ShaneM (39%), webr3 (8%), manu1 (53%), Ivan (24%) ←
15:09:18 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
Zakim IRC Bot: +[IPcaller] ←
15:09:35 <Benjamin> zakim, I am aaaa
Benjamin Adrian: zakim, I am aaaa ←
15:09:35 <Zakim> +Benjamin; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +Benjamin; got it ←
15:09:42 <Knud> zakim, I am aadd
Knud Möller: zakim, I am aadd ←
15:09:42 <Zakim> sorry, Knud, I do not see a party named 'aadd'
Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, Knud, I do not see a party named 'aadd' ←
15:09:51 <Steven> zakim, manu is Knud
Steven Pemberton: zakim, manu is Knud ←
15:09:51 <Zakim> +Knud; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +Knud; got it ←
15:10:58 <manu1> Topic: ISSUE-63: Case-insensitive term matching
15:10:58 <tinkster> Manu: let's get started - ISSUE-63.
Manu Sporny: let's get started - ISSUE-63. ←
15:10:59 <manu1> http://www.w3.org/2010/02/rdfa/track/issues/63
Manu Sporny: http://www.w3.org/2010/02/rdfa/track/issues/63 ←
15:10:08 <Zakim> -Knud
Zakim IRC Bot: -Knud ←
15:10:35 <tinkster> Shane: Didn't Manu propose a solution to this?
Shane McCarron: Didn't Manu propose a solution to this? ←
15:10:56 <Zakim> +Knud
Zakim IRC Bot: +Knud ←
15:11:02 <Knud> zakim, mute me
Knud Möller: zakim, mute me ←
15:11:02 <Zakim> Knud should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: Knud should now be muted ←
15:11:09 <tinkster> Manu: No, though this is a somewhat related issue. Not as simple.
Manu Sporny: No, though this is a somewhat related issue. Not as simple. ←
15:11:38 <ivan> q+
Ivan Herman: q+ ←
15:11:55 <ShaneM> term Agent != term agent. if agENT is referenced in a document which version gets picked up?
Shane McCarron: term Agent != term agent. if agENT is referenced in a document which version gets picked up? ←
15:13:59 <manu1> ack ivan
Manu Sporny: ack ivan ←
15:14:09 <tinkster> Manu: two possibilities would be ASCII/UTF-8 sort order, or order that they're each declared in the same profile.
Manu Sporny: two possibilities would be ASCII/UTF-8 sort order, or order that they're each declared in the same profile. ←
15:14:47 <tinkster> Ivan: Didn't we decide that terms are always compared in lower-case?
Ivan Herman: Didn't we decide that terms are always compared in lower-case? ←
15:15:09 <webr3> agENT == agent == Agent
Nathan Rixham: agENT == agent == Agent ←
15:15:16 <tinkster> Zakim, unmute me
Zakim, unmute me ←
15:15:17 <Zakim> tinkster should no longer be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: tinkster should no longer be muted ←
15:15:51 <manu1> What happens when we declare in a vocabulary two terms: "Agent" and "agent"
Manu Sporny: What happens when we declare in a vocabulary two terms: "Agent" and "agent" ←
15:16:38 <manu1> and then somebody does this:
Manu Sporny: and then somebody does this: ←
15:16:47 <manu1> typeof="agENT"
Manu Sporny: typeof="agENT" ←
15:16:53 <tinkster> Zakim, mute me.
Zakim, mute me. ←
15:16:53 <Zakim> tinkster should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: tinkster should now be muted ←
15:17:08 <tinkster> Manu: Do we recognise that there's an issue?
Manu Sporny: Do we recognise that there's an issue? ←
15:17:11 <webr3> q+ to say drop case insensitivity fall back
Nathan Rixham: q+ to say drop case insensitivity fall back ←
15:17:17 <manu1> ack tinkster
Manu Sporny: ack tinkster ←
15:17:18 <Zakim> tinkster, you wanted to say terms are case sensitive
Zakim IRC Bot: tinkster, you wanted to say terms are case sensitive ←
15:17:21 <manu1> ack webr3
Manu Sporny: ack webr3 ←
15:17:21 <Zakim> webr3, you wanted to say drop case insensitivity fall back
Zakim IRC Bot: webr3, you wanted to say drop case insensitivity fall back ←
15:17:33 <tinkster> (Broad agreement that there's an issue.)
(Broad agreement that there's an issue.) ←
15:18:15 <ivan> q+
Ivan Herman: q+ ←
15:18:45 <manu1> ack ivan
Manu Sporny: ack ivan ←
15:20:17 <manu1> typeof="agENT"
Manu Sporny: typeof="agENT" ←
15:20:26 <ShaneM> the spec currently says: Check iif the <code>term</code> matches an item in the list of <tref>local term mappings</tref>. First compare against the list <em>case-sensitively</em>, and if there is no match then compare <em>case-insensitively</em>. If there is a match, use the associated URI.
Shane McCarron: the spec currently says: Check iif the <code>term</code> matches an item in the list of <tref>local term mappings</tref>. First compare against the list <em>case-sensitively</em>, and if there is no match then compare <em>case-insensitively</em>. If there is a match, use the associated URI. ←
15:21:17 <manu1> We also do case-insensitive because of possibilities like this: xmlns:FOO
Manu Sporny: We also do case-insensitive because of possibilities like this: xmlns:FOO ←
15:21:18 <tinkster> Ivan/Nathan: Should we return to case-sensitive terms?
Ivan/Nathan: Should we return to case-sensitive terms? ←
15:21:49 <webr3> q+ to say there might be a way around this
Nathan Rixham: q+ to say there might be a way around this ←
15:22:24 <manu1> ack webr3
Manu Sporny: ack webr3 ←
15:22:24 <Zakim> webr3, you wanted to say there might be a way around this
Zakim IRC Bot: webr3, you wanted to say there might be a way around this ←
15:22:56 <tinkster> Nathan: Can't we have this case-sensitive apart from rel?
Nathan Rixham: Can't we have this case-sensitive apart from rel? ←
15:23:33 <tinkster> Ivan: No, I don't think that solves it. Treating rel specially complicates implementations.
Ivan Herman: No, I don't think that solves it. Treating rel specially complicates implementations. ←
15:24:00 <tinkster> ... CURIE and term mappings are one of the most complicated aspects of implementing RDFa.
... CURIE and term mappings are one of the most complicated aspects of implementing RDFa. ←
15:25:00 <tinkster> ShaneM: We could just note that the algorithm is non-deterministic in the spec.
Shane McCarron: We could just note that the algorithm is non-deterministic in the spec. ←
15:25:34 <tinkster> ... Or we could choose one of Manu's strategies. I'd prefer last-defined wins.
... Or we could choose one of Manu's strategies. I'd prefer last-defined wins. ←
15:26:52 <tinkster> ShaneM/Manu: there are various ways of implementing this.
ShaneM/Manu: there are various ways of implementing this. ←
15:28:54 <tinkster> Ivan: we just say that all terms are case-insensitive.
Ivan Herman: we just say that all terms are case-insensitive. ←
15:29:33 <manu1> What about valid cases where case does matter - Account vs. account in Commerce vocabulary?
Manu Sporny: What about valid cases where case does matter - Account vs. account in Commerce vocabulary? ←
15:29:41 <tinkster> Manu: That's a big problem for our company. We use case to differentiate between otherwise identically-named terms.
Manu Sporny: That's a big problem for our company. We use case to differentiate between otherwise identically-named terms. ←
15:29:53 <webr3> q+ to say, what if you had propertyterm and classterm?
Nathan Rixham: q+ to say, what if you had propertyterm and classterm? ←
15:30:10 <webr3> q-
Nathan Rixham: q- ←
15:30:35 <tinkster> Ivan: Then we just say "it's undefined - don't do that".
Ivan Herman: Then we just say "it's undefined - don't do that". ←
15:31:30 <webr3> properyterm="agent" - classterm="Agent"
Nathan Rixham: properyterm="agent" - classterm="Agent" ←
15:31:56 <tinkster> Nathan: have two different sets of term mappings - one for @typeof, and one for other attributes.
Nathan Rixham: have two different sets of term mappings - one for @typeof, and one for other attributes. ←
15:32:15 <manu1> type="agENT"
Manu Sporny: type="agENT" ←
15:32:19 <manu1> typeof="agENT"
Manu Sporny: typeof="agENT" ←
15:32:37 <ShaneM> q+ to clarify
Shane McCarron: q+ to clarify ←
15:32:47 <tinkster> Manu: I'm starting to think leaving it undefined is best.
Manu Sporny: I'm starting to think leaving it undefined is best. ←
15:32:48 <manu1> ack shaneM
Manu Sporny: ack shaneM ←
15:32:48 <Zakim> ShaneM, you wanted to clarify
Zakim IRC Bot: ShaneM, you wanted to clarify ←
15:33:52 <tinkster> ShaneM: I can support that. We'll get pushback from HTML WG though.
Shane McCarron: I can support that. We'll get pushback from HTML WG though. ←
15:35:11 <webr3> q+
Nathan Rixham: q+ ←
15:35:16 <manu1> ack webr3
Manu Sporny: ack webr3 ←
15:35:30 <Steven> I'm OK with undefined as well
Steven Pemberton: I'm OK with undefined as well ←
15:36:14 <tinkster> Nathan: Microdata's itemprop is case-sensitive.
Nathan Rixham: Microdata's itemprop is case-sensitive. ←
15:36:24 <manu1> typeof="agENT"
Manu Sporny: typeof="agENT" ←
15:36:39 <manu1> that's undefined, but the processor will generate a triple.
Manu Sporny: that's undefined, but the processor will generate a triple. ←
15:37:13 <manu1> the triple that's generated is undefined
Manu Sporny: the triple that's generated is undefined ←
15:37:14 <webr3> "When extension relation types are compared, they MUST be compared as strings (after converting to URIs if serialised in a different format, such as a Curie [W3C.CR-curie-20090116]) in a case-insensitive fashion, character-by-character. Because of this, all-lowercase URIs SHOULD be used for extension relations." -- <http://greenbytes.de/tech/webdav/rfc5988.html>
Nathan Rixham: "When extension relation types are compared, they MUST be compared as strings (after converting to URIs if serialised in a different format, such as a Curie [W3C.CR-curie-20090116]) in a case-insensitive fashion, character-by-character. Because of this, all-lowercase URIs SHOULD be used for extension relations." -- <http://greenbytes.de/tech/webdav/rfc5988.html> ←
15:37:28 <tinkster> Zakim, unmute me
Zakim, unmute me ←
15:37:28 <Zakim> tinkster was not muted, tinkster
Zakim IRC Bot: tinkster was not muted, tinkster ←
15:37:59 <tinkster> Zakim, mute me
Zakim, mute me ←
15:37:59 <Zakim> tinkster should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: tinkster should now be muted ←
15:38:15 <tinkster> ShaneM: I'll flesh out some wording.
Shane McCarron: I'll flesh out some wording. ←
15:38:15 <ShaneM> "In the event that multiple terms are defined that differ only in case, it is undefined which term is matched when a reference is made which does NOT match case-sensitively.'
Shane McCarron: "In the event that multiple terms are defined that differ only in case, it is undefined which term is matched when a reference is made which does NOT match case-sensitively.' ←
15:39:06 <tinkster> Manu: Shane's text for last topic seems sensible.
Manu Sporny: Shane's text for last topic seems sensible. ←
15:38:05 <manu1> Topic: ISSUE-66: Last Call comments from Ian Hickson for RDFa Core 1.1
15:38:27 <tinkster> Manu: Next topic ISSUE-66.
Manu Sporny: Next topic ISSUE-66. ←
15:38:47 <tinkster> ... Many of his proposals would cause back-compat issues... goes against the charter. Clear what he wants, but the RDFa WG is operating under a different set of philosophical constraints.
... Many of his proposals would cause back-compat issues... goes against the charter. Clear what he wants, but the RDFa WG is operating under a different set of philosophical constraints. ←
15:39:11 <Knud> http://www.w3.org/2010/02/rdfa/track/issues/66
Knud Möller: http://www.w3.org/2010/02/rdfa/track/issues/66 ←
15:39:33 <tinkster> Manu: Hixie says that RDFa should not have prefixes.
Manu Sporny: Hixie says that RDFa should not have prefixes. ←
15:39:55 <ivan> q+
Ivan Herman: q+ ←
15:40:01 <manu1> ack ivan
Manu Sporny: ack ivan ←
15:40:07 <tinkster> ... We've voted in favour of prefixes over and over again. This is a useful feature of the language.
... We've voted in favour of prefixes over and over again. This is a useful feature of the language. ←
15:41:10 <tinkster> Ivan: There's already a large deployment of RDFa, so we can't drop this feature even if we wanted to. It would also break our charter to break back-compat.
Ivan Herman: There's already a large deployment of RDFa, so we can't drop this feature even if we wanted to. It would also break our charter to break back-compat. ←
15:42:43 <webr3> There is a fresh proposal, as of yesterday, in HTML WG to remove @profile, @prefix and @xmlns: from HTML5+RDFa - http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-archive/2011Jan/att-0022/cp-120.html
Nathan Rixham: There is a fresh proposal, as of yesterday, in HTML WG to remove @profile, @prefix and @xmlns: from HTML5+RDFa - http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-archive/2011Jan/att-0022/cp-120.html ←
15:47:13 <tinkster> http://www.w3.org/TR/html-design-principles/#support-existing-content
http://www.w3.org/TR/html-design-principles/#support-existing-content ←
15:47:24 <Steven> +1
Steven Pemberton: +1 ←
15:48:12 <tinkster> Manu: prefixes are used everywhere in published content. We can't drop them.
Manu Sporny: prefixes are used everywhere in published content. We can't drop them. ←
15:48:53 <tinkster> ... Hixie also brings up usability testing.
... Hixie also brings up usability testing. ←
15:49:31 <webr3> have usability studies been done on HTML?
Nathan Rixham: have usability studies been done on HTML? ←
15:49:38 <tinkster> ShaneM: The community is already using RDFa and the plethora of implementations seem to get things broadly correct.
Shane McCarron: The community is already using RDFa and the plethora of implementations seem to get things broadly correct. ←
15:50:19 <tinkster> Nathan: I'm happy to draft a response on this.
Nathan Rixham: I'm happy to draft a response on this. ←
15:51:40 <tinkster> Topic: Distributing Last Call Comment Analysis and Responses
15:51:41 <tinkster> Manu: Some of the remaining LC comments are really detailed, so we may need to split the work up, draft responses and only discuss contentious points on the call.
Manu Sporny: Some of the remaining LC comments are really detailed, so we may need to split the work up, draft responses and only discuss contentious points on the call. ←
15:52:15 <tinkster> Ivan: Many of JeniT's comments are editorial; could these be separated out?
Ivan Herman: Many of JeniT's comments are editorial; could these be separated out? ←
15:52:25 <Steven> Triage!
Steven Pemberton: Triage! ←
15:53:34 <tinkster> Manu: any objections to moving forward with this new way of handling LC comments?
Manu Sporny: any objections to moving forward with this new way of handling LC comments? ←
15:53:54 <tinkster> Manu: OK then, who should take what?
Manu Sporny: OK then, who should take what? ←
15:53:59 <manu1> http://www.w3.org/2010/02/rdfa/track/products/8
Manu Sporny: http://www.w3.org/2010/02/rdfa/track/products/8 ←
15:56:42 <Steven> To assign these to people, you could use the RAISED BY field
Steven Pemberton: To assign these to people, you could use the RAISED BY field ←
15:57:36 <tinkster> Ivan: I'd like to split Harry's issue into several smaller ones.
Ivan Herman: I'd like to split Harry's issue into several smaller ones. ←
15:58:12 <tinkster> Manu: That's fine as a way of dealing with the issues.
Manu Sporny: That's fine as a way of dealing with the issues. ←
15:59:48 <manu1> ACTION: Ivan to triage ISSUE-68 and ISSUE-69
ACTION: Ivan to triage ISSUE-68 and ISSUE-69 ←
15:59:48 <trackbot> Created ACTION-43 - Triage ISSUE-68 and ISSUE-69 [on Ivan Herman - due 2011-01-27].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-43 - Triage ISSUE-68 and ISSUE-69 [on Ivan Herman - due 2011-01-27]. ←
16:00:06 <tinkster> Zakim, unmute me
Zakim, unmute me ←
16:00:06 <Zakim> tinkster should no longer be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: tinkster should no longer be muted ←
16:01:27 <Steven> trackbot, help
Steven Pemberton: trackbot, help ←
16:01:27 <trackbot> See http://www.w3.org/2005/06/tracker/irc for help
Trackbot IRC Bot: See http://www.w3.org/2005/06/tracker/irc for help ←
16:01:56 <manu1> ACTION: Toby to triage ISSUE-67 and ISSUE-74.
ACTION: Toby to triage ISSUE-67 and ISSUE-74. ←
16:01:56 <trackbot> Created ACTION-44 - Triage ISSUE-67 and ISSUE-74. [on Toby Inkster - due 2011-01-27].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-44 - Triage ISSUE-67 and ISSUE-74. [on Toby Inkster - due 2011-01-27]. ←
16:02:03 <tinkster> Zakim, mute me
Zakim, mute me ←
16:02:03 <Zakim> tinkster should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: tinkster should now be muted ←
16:02:20 <tinkster> (Issues are being divvied up.)
(Issues are being divvied up.) ←
16:02:52 <manu1> ACTION: Nathan to triage ISSUE-66 and ISSUE-76
ACTION: Nathan to triage ISSUE-66 and ISSUE-76 ←
16:02:53 <trackbot> Created ACTION-45 - Triage ISSUE-66 and ISSUE-76 [on Nathan Rixham - due 2011-01-27].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-45 - Triage ISSUE-66 and ISSUE-76 [on Nathan Rixham - due 2011-01-27]. ←
16:03:49 <Steven> Give me one of those
Steven Pemberton: Give me one of those ←
16:04:32 <manu1> ACTION: Shane to triage ISSUE-70 and ISSUE-72
ACTION: Shane to triage ISSUE-70 and ISSUE-72 ←
16:04:32 <trackbot> Created ACTION-46 - Triage ISSUE-70 and ISSUE-72 [on Shane McCarron - due 2011-01-27].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-46 - Triage ISSUE-70 and ISSUE-72 [on Shane McCarron - due 2011-01-27]. ←
16:04:59 <tinkster> Zakim, unmute me
Zakim, unmute me ←
16:04:59 <Zakim> tinkster should no longer be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: tinkster should no longer be muted ←
16:05:38 <manu1> ACTION: Steven to triage ISSUE-75.
ACTION: Steven to triage ISSUE-75. ←
16:05:38 <trackbot> Sorry, amibiguous username (more than one match) - Steven
Trackbot IRC Bot: Sorry, amibiguous username (more than one match) - Steven ←
16:05:38 <trackbot> Try using a different identifier, such as family name or username (eg. steven, spembert)
Trackbot IRC Bot: Try using a different identifier, such as family name or username (eg. steven, spembert) ←
16:05:54 <tinkster> Zakim, mute me
Zakim, mute me ←
16:05:54 <Zakim> tinkster should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: tinkster should now be muted ←
16:06:09 <Steven> trackbot, status
Steven Pemberton: trackbot, status ←
16:06:14 <ivan> q+
Ivan Herman: q+ ←
16:06:31 <Steven> :-)
Steven Pemberton: :-) ←
16:06:51 <manu1> ack ivan
Manu Sporny: ack ivan ←
16:07:41 <tinkster> Zakim, unmute me
Zakim, unmute me ←
16:07:41 <Zakim> tinkster should no longer be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: tinkster should no longer be muted ←
16:08:58 <manu1> ACTION: Manu to triage ISSUE-71.
ACTION: Manu to triage ISSUE-71. ←
16:08:58 <trackbot> Created ACTION-48 - Triage ISSUE-71. [on Manu Sporny - due 2011-01-27].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-48 - Triage ISSUE-71. [on Manu Sporny - due 2011-01-27]. ←
16:09:09 <manu1> ACTION: Mark to triage ISSUE-73.
ACTION: Mark to triage ISSUE-73. ←
16:09:09 <trackbot> Created ACTION-49 - Triage ISSUE-73. [on Mark Birbeck - due 2011-01-27].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-49 - Triage ISSUE-73. [on Mark Birbeck - due 2011-01-27]. ←
16:09:30 <Steven> http://www.w3.org/2010/02/rdfa/track/actions/open
Steven Pemberton: http://www.w3.org/2010/02/rdfa/track/actions/open ←
16:10:23 <tinkster> Manu: by next week we should have split each issue up into 3 parts: 1) editorial comments that can be addressed without much debate, 2) non-editorial comments that the WG has already discussed and come to a conclusion on, and 3) non-editorial comments that the group has not discussed, or comments that are contentious and need the groups focused effort in order to resolve.
Manu Sporny: by next week we should have split each issue up into 3 parts: 1) editorial comments that can be addressed without much debate, 2) non-editorial comments that the WG has already discussed and come to a conclusion on, and 3) non-editorial comments that the group has not discussed, or comments that are contentious and need the groups focused effort in order to resolve. ←
16:11:17 <tinkster> ... Send progress to the mailing list, draft responses are welcome. Let's try to get the first sweep through these done by next Thursday's telecon.
... Send progress to the mailing list, draft responses are welcome. Let's try to get the first sweep through these done by next Thursday's telecon. ←
16:11:37 <tinkster> ... Add new ISSUEs for #3 above - anything that the group needs to discuss should be marked as a Last Call Issue.
... Add new ISSUEs for #3 above - anything that the group needs to discuss should be marked as a Last Call Issue. ←
16:11:49 <Zakim> -webr3
Zakim IRC Bot: -webr3 ←
16:11:50 <Zakim> -Ivan
Zakim IRC Bot: -Ivan ←
16:11:51 <Zakim> -Steven
Zakim IRC Bot: -Steven ←
16:11:52 <Zakim> -tinkster
Zakim IRC Bot: -tinkster ←
16:11:52 <Zakim> -Knud
Zakim IRC Bot: -Knud ←
16:11:53 <Zakim> -[IPcaller]
Zakim IRC Bot: -[IPcaller] ←
16:11:55 <Zakim> -ShaneM
Zakim IRC Bot: -ShaneM ←
16:12:06 <Zakim> -Benjamin
Zakim IRC Bot: -Benjamin ←
16:12:07 <Zakim> SW_RDFa()10:00AM has ended
Zakim IRC Bot: SW_RDFa()10:00AM has ended ←
16:12:08 <Zakim> Attendees were ShaneM, +44.123.456.aaaa, +3539149aabb, +47.85.583.aacc, Ivan, +3539149aadd, manu1, Steven, tinkster, webr3, [IPcaller], Benjamin, Knud
Zakim IRC Bot: Attendees were ShaneM, +44.123.456.aaaa, +3539149aabb, +47.85.583.aacc, Ivan, +3539149aadd, manu1, Steven, tinkster, webr3, [IPcaller], Benjamin, Knud ←
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