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15:52:54 <Ralph> Meeting: RDF-in-XHTML Task Force
15:53:09 <Ralph> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-in-xhtml-tf/2008Dec/0005.html
15:54:17 <Ralph> -> http://www.w3.org/2008/11/20-rdfa-minutes.html previous 2008-11-20
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Unknown Ralph: -> http://www.w3.org/2008/11/20-rdfa-minutes.html previous 2008-11-20 ←
15:54:22 <Ralph> rrsagent, please make record public
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Unknown Ralph: rrsagent, please make record public ←
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16:00:54 <Ralph> Regrets: Michael
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16:02:43 <msporny> zakim, I am ??P33
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16:02:44 <Zakim> +msporny; got it
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16:03:26 <Zakim> +Ben_Adida
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16:03:55 <Ralph> Chair: Ben
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16:06:12 <benadida> zakim, pick a victim
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16:06:12 <Zakim> Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose Ralph
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16:07:13 <Ralph> Manu: what happens after end of December? Keep meeting?
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Unknown Manu: what happens after end of December? Keep meeting? [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Ralph ] ←
16:09:29 <Ralph> Ralph: SWD WG expects to resolve to ask for SKOS CR transition by 16 December and then I will ask for a 4-month extension to SWD WG charter
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Unknown Ralph: SWD WG expects to resolve to ask for SKOS CR transition by 16 December and then I will ask for a 4-month extension to SWD WG charter [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Ralph ] ←
16:10:00 <Ralph> ... this would allow us to formally continue to talk about RDFa futures
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Unknown Ralph: ... this would allow us to formally continue to talk about RDFa futures ←
16:11:57 <Ralph> ... on a personal level, I think it would be a mistake to change RDFa until there is clear support for a proposed change within the HTML WG
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Unknown Ralph: ... on a personal level, I think it would be a mistake to change RDFa until there is clear support for a proposed change within the HTML WG ←
16:12:10 <Ralph> Manu: it would be nice to be able to say "here is what we think should be done
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Unknown Manu: it would be nice to be able to say "here is what we think should be done [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Ralph ] ←
16:12:13 <Ralph> "
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Unknown Ralph: " ←
16:12:26 <Ralph> ... especially for the microformats community
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Unknown Ralph: ... especially for the microformats community ←
16:13:08 <Ralph> ... we'd be in a stronger position w.r.t. conversations with microformats if we said we think @prefix and external profiles are a good direction
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Unknown Ralph: ... we'd be in a stronger position w.r.t. conversations with microformats if we said we think @prefix and external profiles are a good direction ←
16:13:35 <Ralph> Ben: what's the goal of such a statement? would you hope that people start to use RDFa with @prefix?
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Unknown Ben: what's the goal of such a statement? would you hope that people start to use RDFa with @prefix? [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Ralph ] ←
16:13:40 <Ralph> Manu: yes, I think the community is stuck
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Unknown Manu: yes, I think the community is stuck [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Ralph ] ←
16:13:51 <Ralph> ... this has to do with vocabulary development
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Unknown Ralph: ... this has to do with vocabulary development ←
16:14:05 <Ralph> ... the community is currently spending a lot of time on issues that RDFa already solves
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Unknown Ralph: ... the community is currently spending a lot of time on issues that RDFa already solves ←
16:15:17 <Ralph> Ben: I think it works better to have a proposal with community support to present to W3C rather than to expect W3C to pull the community
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Unknown Ben: I think it works better to have a proposal with community support to present to W3C rather than to expect W3C to pull the community [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Ralph ] ←
16:15:54 <Ralph> Shane: we do talk about HTML5 a lot but it doesn't exist yet -- it's only a Working Group
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Unknown Shane: we do talk about HTML5 a lot but it doesn't exist yet -- it's only a Working Group [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Ralph ] ←
16:16:05 <Ralph> Ben: there are features of HTML5 that browsers do currently deploy
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Unknown Ben: there are features of HTML5 that browsers do currently deploy [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Ralph ] ←
16:16:34 <Ralph> Shane: none of these deployed features have anything to do with microformats
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Unknown Shane: none of these deployed features have anything to do with microformats [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Ralph ] ←
16:17:29 <Ralph> Ben: call it whatever; we know there is desire to deploy RDFa in HTML without @xmlns
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Unknown Ben: call it whatever; we know there is desire to deploy RDFa in HTML without @xmlns [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Ralph ] ←
16:17:53 <Ralph> ... in the end, we'll have the same proposal for HTML
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Unknown Ralph: ... in the end, we'll have the same proposal for HTML ←
16:18:37 <Ralph> ... so the thing we ought to do is show how to deploy RDFa in HTML4 now, get it to validate, etc.
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Unknown Ralph: ... so the thing we ought to do is show how to deploy RDFa in HTML4 now, get it to validate, etc. ←
16:18:46 <Ralph> Manu: yep
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Unknown Manu: yep [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Ralph ] ←
16:31:14 <ShaneM> topics - validation in non-xml documents, definition of non-prefixed items, changing of default prefix on the fly
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Unknown ShaneM: topics - validation in non-xml documents, definition of non-prefixed items, changing of default prefix on the fly ←
16:32:23 <ShaneM> @prefix SOLVES the problem of validating in non-xml documents. it is INDEPENDENT of the other two topics IMHO
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Unknown ShaneM: @prefix SOLVES the problem of validating in non-xml documents. it is INDEPENDENT of the other two topics IMHO ←
16:34:07 <ShaneM> the ability to extend the collection of non-prefixed terms is interesting, but NOT REQUIRED.
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Unknown ShaneM: the ability to extend the collection of non-prefixed terms is interesting, but NOT REQUIRED. ←
16:35:03 <ShaneM> changing the default prefix on the fly is a CHANGE to RDFa overall, independent of whether a document is XML or not, and whether it uses @prefix or not
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Unknown ShaneM: changing the default prefix on the fly is a CHANGE to RDFa overall, independent of whether a document is XML or not, and whether it uses @prefix or not ←
16:35:52 <ShaneM> hmm - that might not be true. I think you MUST use @prefix if you want to change the default CURIE prefix.
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Unknown ShaneM: hmm - that might not be true. I think you MUST use @prefix if you want to change the default CURIE prefix. ←
16:36:28 <Ralph> -> http://www.w3.org/2008/12/02-swd-minutes.html#item06 Tuesday SWD WG telecon discussion of charter extension
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Unknown Ralph: -> http://www.w3.org/2008/12/02-swd-minutes.html#item06 Tuesday SWD WG telecon discussion of charter extension ←
16:37:41 <Ralph> zakim, take up item 1
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Unknown Ralph: zakim, take up item 1 ←
16:37:41 <Zakim> agendum 1. "Action Items" taken up [from Ralph]
16:37:55 <Ralph> [PENDING] ACTION: Mark to send Ben ubiquity related wizard stuff [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/11/20-rdfa-minutes.html#action11]
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Unknown Ralph: [PENDING] ACTION: Mark to send Ben ubiquity related wizard stuff [recorded in ACTION-11]">http://www.w3.org/2008/11/20-rdfa-minutes.html#ACTION-11] ←
16:38:15 <Ralph> [DONE] ACTION: Shane to update the errata document to reflect that step 6 has extra text about a new subject - also respond to Johan who sent private mail, copying the task force. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/11/20-rdfa-minutes.html#action15]
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Unknown Ralph: [DONE] ACTION: Shane to update the errata document to reflect that step 6 has extra text about a new subject - also respond to Johan who sent private mail, copying the task force. [recorded in ACTION-15]">http://www.w3.org/2008/11/20-rdfa-minutes.html#ACTION-15] ←
16:38:25 <Ralph> [PENDING] ACTION: Ben to add public-rdfa examples to wiki and think of slightly improved top-level organization [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/11/06-rdfa-minutes.html#action11]
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Unknown Ralph: [PENDING] ACTION: Ben to add public-rdfa examples to wiki and think of slightly improved top-level organization [recorded in ACTION-11]">http://www.w3.org/2008/11/06-rdfa-minutes.html#ACTION-11] ←
16:38:32 <Ralph> Ben: I've done part of this, still need to update wiki
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Unknown Ben: I've done part of this, still need to update wiki [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Ralph ] ←
16:38:36 <Ralph> [PENDING] ACTION: Ben to put up information on "how to write RDFa" with screencast possibly and instructions on bookmarklet. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/11/06-rdfa-minutes.html#action12]
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Unknown Ralph: [PENDING] ACTION: Ben to put up information on "how to write RDFa" with screencast possibly and instructions on bookmarklet. [recorded in ACTION-12]">http://www.w3.org/2008/11/06-rdfa-minutes.html#ACTION-12] ←
16:38:44 <Ralph> Ben: I've made a bit of progress on this
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Unknown Ben: I've made a bit of progress on this [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Ralph ] ←
16:38:54 <Ralph> ... reactions to the new wiki layout?
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Unknown Ralph: ... reactions to the new wiki layout? ←
16:39:04 <Ralph> Manu: new layout is better than the old
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Unknown Manu: new layout is better than the old [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Ralph ] ←
16:39:11 <Ralph> [PENDING] ACTION: Jeremy to demonstrate GRDDL with XHTML/RDFa once the NS URI is set up. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/09/11-rdfa-minutes.html#action03]
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Unknown Ralph: [PENDING] ACTION: Jeremy to demonstrate GRDDL with XHTML/RDFa once the NS URI is set up. [recorded in ACTION-03]">http://www.w3.org/2008/09/11-rdfa-minutes.html#ACTION-03] ←
16:41:40 <Ralph> [PENDING] ACTION: Manu talk with Jamie McCarthy about an AskSlashdot piece [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/09/11-rdfa-minutes.html#action04]
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Unknown Ralph: [PENDING] ACTION: Manu talk with Jamie McCarthy about an AskSlashdot piece [recorded in ACTION-04]">http://www.w3.org/2008/09/11-rdfa-minutes.html#ACTION-04] ←
16:41:53 <Ralph> Manu: I've been hoping to implement it first :)
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Unknown Manu: I've been hoping to implement it first :) [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Ralph ] ←
16:42:01 <Ralph> [PENDING] ACTION: Manu to write summary for Semantic Web Use Cases for Ivan. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/09/11-rdfa-minutes.html#action09]
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Unknown Ralph: [PENDING] ACTION: Manu to write summary for Semantic Web Use Cases for Ivan. [recorded in ACTION-09]">http://www.w3.org/2008/09/11-rdfa-minutes.html#ACTION-09] ←
16:42:06 <msporny> http://rdfa.digitalbazaar.com/bitmunk-case-study/
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Unknown msporny: http://rdfa.digitalbazaar.com/bitmunk-case-study/ ←
16:42:12 <Ralph> Manu: I wrote a draft but Ivan wants a rewrite
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Unknown Manu: I wrote a draft but Ivan wants a rewrite [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Ralph ] ←
16:42:24 <Ralph> ... draft explains what our company is doing
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Unknown Ralph: ... draft explains what our company is doing ←
16:42:46 <Ralph> ... Ivan would like this draft posted as a longer story and a shorter version for the use case wiki
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Unknown Ralph: ... Ivan would like this draft posted as a longer story and a shorter version for the use case wiki ←
16:43:03 <Ralph> [PENDING] ACTION: Manu write the perl code for Slashdot. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/09/11-rdfa-minutes.html#action11]
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Unknown Ralph: [PENDING] ACTION: Manu write the perl code for Slashdot. [recorded in ACTION-11]">http://www.w3.org/2008/09/11-rdfa-minutes.html#ACTION-11] ←
16:43:35 <Ralph> Manu: basically modifying their templates but it's a bit more involved
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Unknown Manu: basically modifying their templates but it's a bit more involved [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Ralph ] ←
16:43:39 <Ralph> ... adding SIOC
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Unknown Ralph: ... adding SIOC ←
16:43:52 <Ralph> Ben: how about roping Steve Williams from digg into this?
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Unknown Ben: how about roping Steve Williams from digg into this? [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Ralph ] ←
16:44:14 <Ralph> ... perhaps just tell him what you're thinking
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Unknown Ralph: ... perhaps just tell him what you're thinking ←
16:44:31 <Ralph> ... digg is also thinking about SIOC
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Unknown Ralph: ... digg is also thinking about SIOC ←
16:46:15 <Ralph> ... so showing them your vocabulary ideas could be a useful trigger
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Unknown Ralph: ... so showing them your vocabulary ideas could be a useful trigger ←
16:46:19 <Ralph> [PENDING] ACTION: Mark create base wizard suitable for cloning [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/09/11-rdfa-minutes.html#action12]
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Unknown Ralph: [PENDING] ACTION: Mark create base wizard suitable for cloning [recorded in ACTION-12]">http://www.w3.org/2008/09/11-rdfa-minutes.html#ACTION-12] ←
16:46:24 <Ralph> [PENDING] ACTION: Mark write foaf examples for wiki [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/09/11-rdfa-minutes.html#action13]
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Unknown Ralph: [PENDING] ACTION: Mark write foaf examples for wiki [recorded in ACTION-13]">http://www.w3.org/2008/09/11-rdfa-minutes.html#ACTION-13] ←
16:47:40 <Ralph> [PENDING] ACTION: Michael to create 'RDFa for uF users' on RDFa Wiki [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/09/11-rdfa-minutes.html#action14]
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Unknown Ralph: [PENDING] ACTION: Michael to create 'RDFa for uF users' on RDFa Wiki [recorded in ACTION-14]">http://www.w3.org/2008/09/11-rdfa-minutes.html#ACTION-14] ←
16:47:44 <Ralph> [PENDING] ACTION: Ralph think about RSS+RDFa [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/09/11-rdfa-minutes.html#action15]
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Unknown Ralph: [PENDING] ACTION: Ralph think about RSS+RDFa [recorded in ACTION-15]">http://www.w3.org/2008/09/11-rdfa-minutes.html#ACTION-15] ←
16:47:57 <Ralph> zakim, take up item 3
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Unknown Ralph: zakim, take up item 3 ←
16:47:57 <Zakim> agendum 3. "@prefix" taken up [from Ralph]
16:48:11 <Ralph> Ben: Mark has a draft blog post on @prefix
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Unknown Ben: Mark has a draft blog post on @prefix [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Ralph ] ←
16:48:25 <Ralph> Shane: there are several topics and they're independent
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Unknown Shane: there are several topics and they're independent [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Ralph ] ←
16:48:35 <Ralph> ... we could come up with credible solutions on pieces
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Unknown Ralph: ... we could come up with credible solutions on pieces ←
16:48:46 <Ralph> ... 1. defining prefix mappings in non-XML grammars
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Unknown Ralph: ... 1. defining prefix mappings in non-XML grammars ←
16:49:07 <Ralph> ... we've proposed @prefix and a syntax; everyone seems to be onboard, with some semantic extensions
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Unknown Ralph: ... we've proposed @prefix and a syntax; everyone seems to be onboard, with some semantic extensions ←
16:50:06 <Ralph> Ralph: do the inheritance rules for @prefix exactly match those for @xmlns?
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Unknown Ralph: do the inheritance rules for @prefix exactly match those for @xmlns? [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Ralph ] ←
16:50:19 <Ralph> Shane: I was looking at default namespaces as they relate to CURIEs
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Unknown Shane: I was looking at default namespaces as they relate to CURIEs [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Ralph ] ←
16:50:23 <Ralph> ... that's a separate topic
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Unknown Ralph: ... that's a separate topic ←
16:50:46 <Ralph> Ben: there seemed to be some different between HEAD and BODY rules
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Unknown Ben: there seemed to be some different between HEAD and BODY rules [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Ralph ] ←
16:50:57 <Ralph> ... did I read too much into the discussion?
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Unknown Ralph: ... did I read too much into the discussion? ←
16:51:09 <Ralph> ... given that HTML allows metadata in HEAD ...
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Unknown Ralph: ... given that HTML allows metadata in HEAD ... ←
16:51:33 <Ralph> Shane: at that time we were talking about using <link @rel='prefix' ...> and that's a separable issue
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Unknown Shane: at that time we were talking about using <link @rel='prefix' ...> and that's a separable issue [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Ralph ] ←
16:51:49 <Ralph> Ben: so current @prefix thinking is that inheritance works exactly like @xmlns?
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Unknown Ben: so current @prefix thinking is that inheritance works exactly like @xmlns? [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Ralph ] ←
16:51:52 <Ralph> Shane: yes
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Unknown Shane: yes [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Ralph ] ←
16:52:42 <Ralph> Ben: I think we could agree on a syntax lik @prefix='a=URI1 b=URI2 ...'
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Unknown Ben: I think we could agree on a syntax like @prefix='a=URI1 b=URI2 ...' [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Ralph ] ←
16:52:55 <Ralph> Manu: there was a notion that @prefix might hold more than just what is in this document
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Unknown Manu: there was a notion that @prefix might hold more than just what is in this document [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Ralph ] ←
16:52:59 <Ralph> s/lik /like /
16:53:23 <Ralph> ... there was also a question of what happens in @prefix='URI'
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Unknown Ralph: ... there was also a question of what happens in @prefix='URI' ←
16:53:35 <Ralph> ... i.e. default prefixes, or a vocabulary that could be pulled-in to define other prefixes
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Unknown Ralph: ... i.e. default prefixes, or a vocabulary that could be pulled-in to define other prefixes ←
16:53:45 <Ralph> Ben: pulling in another vocabulary wouldn't conflict with this syntax
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Unknown Ben: pulling in another vocabulary wouldn't conflict with this syntax [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Ralph ] ←
16:53:55 <ShaneM> http://rdfa.info/wiki/RDFainHTML4#Prefix_Mappings
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Unknown ShaneM: http://rdfa.info/wiki/RDFainHTML4#Prefix_Mappings ←
16:54:16 <Ralph> Shane: the wiki page supports these sorts of extensions
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Unknown Shane: the wiki page supports these sorts of extensions [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Ralph ] ←
16:54:27 <Ralph> ... could debate whether it makes sense to redefine the default prefix
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Unknown Ralph: ... could debate whether it makes sense to redefine the default prefix ←
16:54:56 <Ralph> Ben: I agree the three items under 'Future Handling' can be considered separately
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Unknown Ben: I agree the three items under 'Future Handling' can be considered separately [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Ralph ] ←
16:55:23 <Ralph> ... Mark was thinking about something that would pull in a local vocabulary for one section of a document
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Unknown Ralph: ... Mark was thinking about something that would pull in a local vocabulary for one section of a document ←
16:55:52 <Ralph> Shane: want to separate the topics; validating v. changing the extensibility model of RDFa
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Unknown Shane: want to separate the topics; validating v. changing the extensibility model of RDFa [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Ralph ] ←
16:56:35 <Ralph> Ben: I believe there is consensus on the first bullet; value is 'prefix=URI'
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Unknown Ben: I believe there is consensus on the first bullet; @prefix='prefix=URI' [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Ralph ] ←
16:57:02 <Ralph> ... I don't see consensus on the second bullet @prefix='=URI'
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Unknown Ralph: ... I don't see consensus on the second bullet @prefix='=URI' ←
16:57:24 <Ralph> Manu: microformats added bullets 2 and 3 because we didn't feel @profile was the place to extend RDFa functionality
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Unknown Manu: microformats added bullets 2 and 3 because we didn't feel @profile was the place to extend RDFa functionality [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Ralph ] ←
16:57:39 <Ralph> ... this is more in the 3rd bullet; extensibility via @prefix or via @profile
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Unknown Ralph: ... this is more in the 3rd bullet; extensibility via @prefix or via @profile ←
16:57:53 <Ralph> ... the issue of setting the default namespace is in both worlds
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Unknown Ralph: ... the issue of setting the default namespace is in both worlds ←
16:58:28 <Ralph> s/value is 'prefix/@prefix='prefix
16:58:56 <Ralph> Ben: if we want to make it easy to markup common formats, such as a page on a social network, will we want to be able to pull terms from multiple vocabularies?
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Unknown Ben: if we want to make it easy to markup common formats, such as a page on a social network, will we want to be able to pull terms from multiple vocabularies? [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Ralph ] ←
16:59:28 <Ralph> ... if so, the way to simplify this is not by defining lots of prefixes but to include pre-packages bundles of terms
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Unknown Ralph: ... if so, the way to simplify this is not by defining lots of prefixes but to include pre-packages bundles of terms ←
16:59:40 <Ralph> Manu: so maybe the 2nd bullet is unnecessary
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Unknown Manu: so maybe the 2nd bullet is unnecessary [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Ralph ] ←
16:59:47 <Ralph> Ben: yes, 2nd could be subsumed in 3rd
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Unknown Ben: yes, 2nd could be subsumed in 3rd [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Ralph ] ←
17:00:08 <Ralph> ... but 2nd is also a trivial generalization of 1st bullet
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Unknown Ralph: ... but 2nd is also a trivial generalization of 1st bullet ←
17:00:34 <Ralph> ... however, this also makes @prefix do more than @xmlns [which we might not want]
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Unknown Ralph: ... however, this also makes @prefix do more than @xmlns [which we might not want] ←
17:00:50 <Ralph> ... I like simplifying the social network bundle of terms case
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Unknown Ralph: ... I like simplifying the social network bundle of terms case ←
17:01:08 <Ralph> Manu: I can't think of a strong use case for bullet 2 given that we implement 1 and 3
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Unknown Manu: I can't think of a strong use case for bullet 2 given that we implement 1 and 3 [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Ralph ] ←
17:01:33 <Ralph> Ben: right, could have a bundle that only uses 1 vocabulary, so little marginal value to bullet 2
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Unknown Ben: right, could have a bundle that only uses 1 vocabulary, so little marginal value to bullet 2 [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Ralph ] ←
17:01:54 <Ralph> Manu: bullet 2 came before we'd thought out bullet 3 completely
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Unknown Manu: bullet 2 came before we'd thought out bullet 3 completely [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Ralph ] ←
17:02:16 <Ralph> Shane: I don't agree with Mark's approach; I think it's overly simplistic
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Unknown Shane: I don't agree with Mark's approach; I think it's overly simplistic [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Ralph ] ←
17:02:42 <Ralph> ... it doesn't takes advantage of the essential RDF-ness of the environment
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Unknown Ralph: ... it doesn't takes advantage of the essential RDF-ness of the environment ←
17:03:04 <Ralph> ... and it doesn't really address the microformat case in a way that makes it easy to extend XMDT
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Unknown Ralph: ... and it doesn't really address the microformat case in a way that makes it easy to extend XMDT ←
17:03:06 <ShaneM> http://rdfa.info/wiki/RDFa_Vocabularies#Discovering_new_unprefixed_CURIEs
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Unknown ShaneM: http://rdfa.info/wiki/RDFa_Vocabularies#Discovering_new_unprefixed_CURIEs ←
17:03:25 <Ralph> ... Manu wrote a separate proposal ^^
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Unknown Ralph: ... Manu wrote a separate proposal ^^ ←
17:03:40 <Ralph> ... making it easy to markup microformat definitions in a way that defines vocabulary terms
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Unknown Ralph: ... making it easy to markup microformat definitions in a way that defines vocabulary terms ←
17:03:49 <Ralph> ... whatever we do here should be grounded in RDF
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Unknown Ralph: ... whatever we do here should be grounded in RDF ←
17:03:55 <Ralph> Ralph: yay Shane!
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Unknown Ralph: yay Shane! [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Ralph ] ←
17:04:23 <Ralph> Shane: unless he's changed his approach, Mark was defining a way to map prefixes to URIs
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Unknown Shane: unless he's changed his approach, Mark was defining a way to map prefixes to URIs [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Ralph ] ←
17:04:39 <Ralph> ... this is using xmlns to define macros, rather than using RDF to define vocabularies
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Unknown Ralph: ... this is using xmlns to define macros, rather than using RDF to define vocabularies ←
17:05:03 <Ralph> ... vocabulary terms need to be grounded in URIs to allow a follow-your-nose processing engine to follow the URIs
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Unknown Ralph: ... vocabulary terms need to be grounded in URIs to allow a follow-your-nose processing engine to follow the URIs ←
17:05:20 <Ralph> Ben: the intermediate document could be RDF
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Unknown Ben: the intermediate document could be RDF [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Ralph ] ←
17:05:26 <Ralph> Shane: but Mark hasn't proposed this
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Unknown Shane: but Mark hasn't proposed this [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Ralph ] ←
17:05:59 <Ralph> Manu: Mark was just showing a technically nifty way to use @prefix to expand terms without having to consult an external document
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Unknown Manu: Mark was just showing a technically nifty way to use @prefix to expand terms without having to consult an external document [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Ralph ] ←
17:06:22 <Ralph> ... but we recognize it would also be helpful to be able to provide an external RDF document that defines prefixes
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Unknown Ralph: ... but we recognize it would also be helpful to be able to provide an external RDF document that defines prefixes ←
17:06:39 <Ralph> ... I think Mark was opposed to having to load these external documents
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Unknown Ralph: ... I think Mark was opposed to having to load these external documents ←
17:07:02 <Ralph> Shane: I understand why it might be unattractive to _have_ to load an external document to understand unprefixed CURIEs
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Unknown Shane: I understand why it might be unattractive to _have_ to load an external document to understand unprefixed CURIEs [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Ralph ] ←
17:07:18 <Ralph> ... RDF interpretation requires dereferencing prefix mappings, which I maintain has to be done anyway
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Unknown Ralph: ... RDF interpretation requires dereferencing prefix mappings, which I maintain has to be done anyway ←
17:07:38 <Ralph> Ben: Mark was talking about bundles of vocabularies which seems to me to require external documents
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Unknown Ben: Mark was talking about bundles of vocabularies which seems to me to require external documents [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Ralph ] ←
17:08:03 <Ralph> Shane: Mark had a syntax for doing this inline in the document, but I don't know why you'd want to bundle this into every document
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Unknown Shane: Mark had a syntax for doing this inline in the document, but I don't know why you'd want to bundle this into every document [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Ralph ] ←
17:08:39 <Ralph> ... Mark did write that this _can_ be embedded locally if there was a consistent syntax
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Unknown Ralph: ... Mark did write that this _can_ be embedded locally if there was a consistent syntax ←
17:08:46 <Ralph> Ben: I see little value in such embedding
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Unknown Ben: I see little value in such embedding [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Ralph ] ←
17:09:01 <Ralph> Shane: our debate should be about how to derive the meaning, not about the syntax
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Unknown Shane: our debate should be about how to derive the meaning, not about the syntax [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Ralph ] ←
17:09:28 <Ralph> Ben: so I think we have consensus about @prefix='p1=u1 p2=u2 ...'
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Unknown Ben: so I think we have consensus about @prefix='p1=u1 p2=u2 ...' [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Ralph ] ←
17:09:50 <Ralph> ... and that @prefix='=u1' seems not to have value
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Unknown Ralph: ... and that @prefix='=u1' seems not to have value ←
17:10:17 <Ralph> ... and @prefix='u1' may have value and should be further investigated
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Unknown Ralph: ... and @prefix='u1' may have value and should be further investigated ←
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17:10:50 <Ralph> [adjourned]
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Unknown Ralph: [adjourned] ←
17:17:25 <Zakim> -Ralph
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17:17:27 <Zakim> SW_SWD(RDFa)11:00AM has ended
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17:17:28 <Zakim> Attendees were Ralph, ShaneM, msporny, Ben_Adida
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17:17:31 <Ralph> rrsagent, please draft minutes
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Unknown Ralph: rrsagent, please draft minutes ←
17:17:31 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/12/04-rdfa-minutes.html Ralph
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17:18:07 <Ralph> rrsagent, bye
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Unknown Ralph: rrsagent, bye ←
17:18:07 <RRSAgent> I see no action items
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