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RDF-in-XHTML Task Force

Minutes of 17 April 2008

Agenda
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-in-xhtml-tf/2008Apr/0105.html
Seen
Unknown Ben_Adida, Unknown Manu?, Unknown Ralph, Unknown Steven, Unknown benadida, Unknown markbirbeck, Unknown msporny
Regrets
Unknown Michael, Unknown Simone, Unknown Shane, Unknown Ralph, Unknown Mark
Chair
Unknown Ben
Scribe
Unknown msporny
IRC Log
Original
Resolutions
  1. ISSUE-109: "We considered @cite but realized that many other attributes would then require RDFa interpretation and that doing so is not simple. We defer this issue to a future version of RDFa. link
  2. ISSUE-110: "we considered @src in both subject and object positions, and resolved that the currewe considered @src in both subject and object positions, and resolved that the current situation - it's equivalent to @about - is more useful to authors."nt situation - it's equivalent to @about - is more useful to authors." link
  3. "on ISSUE-112, we sympathize with the comment, but, given the community pull to finalize RDFa, it would take too long to write up a functional description." link
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14:54:46 <RRSAgent> logging to http://www.w3.org/2008/04/17-rdfa-irc

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14:54:58 <Ralph> zakim, this will be rdfa

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Unknown Ralph: zakim, this will be rdfa

14:54:58 <Zakim> ok, Ralph; I see SW_SWD(RDFa)11:00AM scheduled to start in 6 minutes

Zakim IRC Bot: ok, Ralph; I see SW_SWD(RDFa)11:00AM scheduled to start in 6 minutes

14:55:03 <Ralph> Meeting: RDF-in-XHTML Task Force
14:55:38 <Ralph> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-in-xhtml-tf/2008Apr/0105.html
14:55:45 <Ralph> rrsagent, please make record public

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Unknown Ralph: rrsagent, please make record public

14:55:48 <Zakim> SW_SWD(RDFa)11:00AM has now started

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14:55:55 <Zakim> +??P0

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14:56:17 <Ralph> -> http://www.w3.org/2008/04/10-rdfa-minutes.html previous 2008-04-10

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Unknown Ralph: -> http://www.w3.org/2008/04/10-rdfa-minutes.html previous 2008-04-10

14:56:23 <Ralph> zakim, ??p0 is probably Manu

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Unknown Ralph: zakim, ??p0 is probably Manu

14:56:23 <Zakim> +Manu?; got it

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14:56:43 <msporny> hi Ralph :)

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Unknown msporny: hi Ralph :)

14:56:46 <msporny> want me to scribe?

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Unknown msporny: want me to scribe?

14:56:55 <Ralph> Regrets: Michael, Simone, Shane, Ralph

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14:57:02 <Steven> Hi, Like Ralph, and for the same reason, I will be late

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Unknown Steven: Hi, Like Ralph, and for the same reason, I will be late

14:57:18 <Ralph> [Chairs telecon]

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Unknown Ralph: [Chairs telecon]

14:57:32 <msporny> Is RSS agent in here yet?

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Unknown msporny: Is RSS agent in here yet?

14:57:44 <Ralph> R_R_S Agent is, yes :)

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Unknown Ralph: R_R_S Agent is, yes :)

14:58:05 <Ralph> rrsagent, pointer?

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14:58:05 <RRSAgent> See http://www.w3.org/2008/04/17-rdfa-irc#T14-58-05

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14:58:08 <msporny> =P - never noticed that it's RRS agent...

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Unknown msporny: =P - never noticed that it's RRS agent...

14:59:38 <msporny> scribenick: msporny

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15:01:37 <msporny> Chair: Ben

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15:04:40 <Zakim> +Ben_Adida

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15:05:35 <markbirbeck> hello everyone

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Unknown markbirbeck: hello everyone

15:06:01 <markbirbeck> I'm not going to be able to make the telecon, I'm afraid...things have been very hectic this week.

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Unknown markbirbeck: I'm not going to be able to make the telecon, I'm afraid...things have been very hectic this week.

15:06:09 <benadida> :(

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Unknown benadida: :(

15:06:12 <benadida> thoughts on primer?

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Unknown benadida: thoughts on primer?

15:06:25 <markbirbeck> I am nearly done on a new draft, but didn't get the few hours I needed to finish it off.

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Unknown markbirbeck: I am nearly done on a new draft, but didn't get the few hours I needed to finish it off.

15:06:31 <markbirbeck> Will try to do it tomorrow.

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Unknown markbirbeck: Will try to do it tomorrow.

15:06:37 <benadida> yes, that would be really fantastic.

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Unknown benadida: yes, that would be really fantastic.

15:06:44 <Steven> I like the primer.

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Unknown Steven: I like the primer.

15:06:55 <Steven> I have some small comments on the current one

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Unknown Steven: I have some small comments on the current one

15:07:17 <markbirbeck> I'm so sorry...but I haven't even read your latest draft. That shows how bad things are! (I normally read it the moment it comes off the press. ;))

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Unknown markbirbeck: I'm so sorry...but I haven't even read your latest draft. That shows how bad things are! (I normally read it the moment it comes off the press. ;))

15:07:54 <msporny> Regrets: Michael, Simone, Shane, Ralph, Mark

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15:08:10 <Steven> I will be late like Ralph (on the chairs call at the moment)

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Unknown Steven: I will be late like Ralph (on the chairs call at the moment)

15:08:33 <Steven> I liked the comment about tags not in namespaces being like all files in one folder

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Unknown Steven: I liked the comment about tags not in namespaces being like all files in one folder

15:09:31 <msporny> Ben: Mark hasn't been able to read the Primer yet.

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Unknown Ben: Mark hasn't been able to read the Primer yet.

15:09:50 <msporny> Ben: He wanted namespaces and more detail in the Primer.

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Unknown Ben: He wanted no namespaces and more detail in the Primer.

15:09:56 <msporny> Topic: Action Items

1. Action Items

15:10:04 <msporny> ACTION: Ben followup with Fabien on getting his RDFa GRDDL transform transferred to W3C [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/11/15-rdfa-minutes.html#action01]

ACTION: Ben followup with Fabien on getting his RDFa GRDDL transform transferred to W3C [recorded in ACTION-01]">http://www.w3.org/2007/11/15-rdfa-minutes.html#ACTION-01]

15:10:07 <benadida> s/namespaces/no namespaces
15:10:26 <msporny> http://www.w3.org/2008/04/10-rdfa-minutes.html#ActionSummary

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http://www.w3.org/2008/04/10-rdfa-minutes.html#ActionSummary

15:10:39 <Zakim> +Ralph

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15:10:40 <msporny> -- CONTINUES

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15:10:50 <Ralph> [I'm not really here -- listening with half an ear]

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Unknown Ralph: [I'm not really here -- listening with half an ear]

15:11:03 <Steven> hmm, Ralph has two phones

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Unknown Steven: hmm, Ralph has two phones

15:11:06 <msporny> ACTION: Ben followup with Fabien on getting his RDFa GRDDL transform transferred to W3C [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/11/15-rdfa-minutes.html#action01]

ACTION: Ben followup with Fabien on getting his RDFa GRDDL transform transferred to W3C [recorded in ACTION-01]">http://www.w3.org/2007/11/15-rdfa-minutes.html#ACTION-01]

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15:11:31 <msporny> Ben: I'm waiting on Fabien for that one.

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Unknown Ben: I'm waiting on Fabien for that one.

15:11:34 <msporny> ACTION: Ben to follow up on media type discussion with Steven, Ralph, and TAG [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/03/20-rdfa-minutes.html#action08]

ACTION: Ben to follow up on media type discussion with Steven, Ralph, and TAG [recorded in ACTION-08]">http://www.w3.org/2008/03/20-rdfa-minutes.html#ACTION-08]

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15:11:53 <msporny> Ben: Ralph needs to give an update on the media type discussion.

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Unknown Ben: Ralph needs to give an update on the media type discussion.

15:11:59 <Ralph> [yes, I own Ben some language on media types]

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Unknown Ralph: [yes, I owe Ben some language on media types]

15:12:04 <Steven> media type is ongoing within W3C; seems to be going our way

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Unknown Steven: media type is ongoing within W3C; seems to be going our way

15:12:17 <msporny> ACTION: Ben to respond to issue 87 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/02/28-rdfa-minutes.html#action09]

ACTION: Ben to respond to ISSUE-87 [recorded in ACTION-09]">http://www.w3.org/2008/02/28-rdfa-minutes.html#ACTION-09]

15:12:18 <Steven> I think TimBL will say something about it at AC meeting in Beijing

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Unknown Steven: I think TimBL will say something about it at AC meeting in Beijing

15:12:21 <msporny> -- CONTINUES

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15:12:27 <msporny> Ben: Waiting for response from Mark.

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Unknown Ben: Waiting for response from Mark.

15:12:34 <msporny> ACTION: Manu to enable EARL output in RDFa Test Harness [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/03/13-rdfa-minutes.html#action13]

ACTION: Manu to enable EARL output in RDFa Test Harness [recorded in ACTION-13]">http://www.w3.org/2008/03/13-rdfa-minutes.html#ACTION-13]

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15:12:44 <msporny> ACTION: Mark and Shane update Syntax to change @instanceof to @typeof [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/04/03-rdfa-minutes.html#action12]

ACTION: Mark and Shane update Syntax to change @instanceof to @typeof [recorded in ACTION-12]">http://www.w3.org/2008/04/03-rdfa-minutes.html#ACTION-12]

15:12:45 <Ralph> s/I own/I owe/
15:12:46 <msporny> -- DONE

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15:12:55 <msporny> ACTION: Mark to move _:a bnode notation to normative section [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/04/03-rdfa-minutes.html#action05]

ACTION: Mark to move _:a bnode notation to normative section [recorded in ACTION-05]">http://www.w3.org/2008/04/03-rdfa-minutes.html#ACTION-05]

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15:13:09 <msporny> ACTION: Mark/Shane include issue 89 correction in Changes section [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/03/06-rdfa-minutes.html#action11]

ACTION: Mark/Shane include ISSUE-89 correction in Changes section [recorded in ACTION-11]">http://www.w3.org/2008/03/06-rdfa-minutes.html#ACTION-11]

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15:13:18 <msporny> ACTION: Michael to create 'RDFa for uF users' on RDFa Wiki [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/03/13-rdfa-minutes.html#action12]

ACTION: Michael to create 'RDFa for uF users' on RDFa Wiki [recorded in ACTION-12]">http://www.w3.org/2008/03/13-rdfa-minutes.html#ACTION-12]

15:13:21 <msporny> -- CONTINUES

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15:13:28 <msporny> ACTION: Ralph to review response to Christian Hoertnagl. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/03/27-rdfa-minutes.html#action07]

ACTION: Ralph to review response to Christian Hoertnagl. [recorded in ACTION-07]">http://www.w3.org/2008/03/27-rdfa-minutes.html#ACTION-07]

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15:14:14 <Steven> ha!

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Unknown Steven: ha!

15:14:16 <msporny> Topic: New Primer

2. New Primer

15:14:26 <Steven> I have some small comments

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Unknown Steven: I have some small comments

15:14:36 <msporny> Ben: Bob Du Charme had some good tweaks to it, which were integrated.

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Unknown Ben: Bob Du Charme had some good tweaks to it, which were integrated.

15:14:39 <Steven> Not sure about using the @ notation in the primer

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Unknown Steven: Not sure about using the @ notation in the primer

15:14:42 <msporny> Ben: Some of the diagrams were tweaked.

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Unknown Ben: Some of the diagrams were tweaked.

15:15:00 <Steven> There is some confusion between the names of the old and new HTML WGs

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Unknown Steven: There is some confusion between the names of the old and new HTML WGs

15:15:12 <msporny> Ben: @rel, @about - @ notation now documented.

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Unknown Ben: @rel, @about - @ notation now documented.

15:15:45 <msporny> Manu: The document looks good to me so far, I think it's ready to go to WG

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Unknown Manu: The document looks good to me so far, I think it's ready to go to WG

15:16:02 <msporny> Ben: Ralph said he was astonished it was shorter... but that may mean WG has a negative reaction to that.

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Unknown Ben: Ralph said he was astonished it was shorter... but that may mean WG has a negative reaction to that.

15:16:10 <msporny> Ben: I don't think we should lengthen it.

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Unknown Ben: I don't think we should lengthen it.

15:16:40 <benadida> Manu: the wiki should fill the gap

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Unknown Manu: the wiki should fill the gap [ Scribe Assist by Unknown benadida ]

15:17:23 <Ralph> I don't think we should bring *everything* from the old Primer back in, but I want more time to look for gaps

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Unknown Ralph: I don't think we should bring *everything* from the old Primer back in, but I want more time to look for gaps

15:17:45 <benadida> before we talk to the WG? How much more time?

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Unknown benadida: before we talk to the WG? How much more time?

15:18:18 <Ralph> but, again, if Manu, Steven, and Mark feel the current draft is good enough to replace the WD then I'll accept that consensus

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Unknown Ralph: but, again, if Manu, Steven, and Mark feel the current draft is good enough to replace the WD then I'll accept that consensus

15:18:23 <msporny> Ben: He's not going to Beijing, so he should be able to handle it before next Tuesday.

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Unknown Ben: He's not going to Beijing, so he should be able to handle it before next Tuesday.

15:18:40 <Ralph> has Mark replied previously?

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Unknown Ralph: has Mark replied previously?

15:18:56 <msporny> Ben: Steven seems to only has minor comments, Manu likes the current draft, Mark still needs to respond.

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Unknown Ben: Steven seems to only has minor comments, Manu likes the current draft, Mark still needs to respond.

15:18:58 <benadida> Mark has sent private comments that were overall positive but that I cannot count as a full endorsement yet :)

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Unknown benadida: Mark has sent private comments that were overall positive but that I cannot count as a full endorsement yet :)

15:19:24 <Ralph> then I propose we show it to the WG and ask for their comments

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Unknown Ralph: then I propose we show it to the WG and ask for their comments

15:19:33 <benadida> Steven: assuming the chance for minor edits, do you think this is good to send to the WG?

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Unknown benadida: Steven, assuming the chance for minor edits, do you think this is good to send to the WG?

15:19:41 <msporny> Ben: Manu thinks Primer is good enough to go to the WG, minor edits may still need to be done.

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Unknown Ben: Manu thinks Primer is good enough to go to the WG, minor edits may still need to be done.

15:19:44 <Ralph> s/Steven:/Steven,/
15:19:46 <Steven> I'd be ok with that

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Unknown Steven: I'd be ok with that

15:20:39 <msporny> Ben: Primer could be written in a variety of different ways, we need to push forward and get it out there.

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Unknown Ben: Primer could be written in a variety of different ways, we need to push forward and get it out there.

15:22:13 <msporny> Ben: Primer is mainly for people that just know HTML - it's a high level overview.

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Unknown Ben: Primer is mainly for people that just know HTML - it's a high level overview.

15:22:51 <Ralph> I absolutely agree that the exposition in the new Primer editor's draft is better; I'm mostly worried about coverage

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Unknown Ralph: I absolutely agree that the exposition in the new Primer editor's draft is better; I'm mostly worried about coverage

15:23:37 <msporny> Manu: I think it is a good sign that we're starting to re-use material in the Primer in our presentations on RDFa.

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Unknown Manu: I think it is a good sign that we're starting to re-use material in the Primer in our presentations on RDFa.

15:23:44 <benadida> a big change in this primer is that we're not going for 100% coverage, we're going for enough coverage to *start* writing RDFa, and then you go to recipes on the wiki for more.

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Unknown benadida: a big change in this primer is that we're not going for 100% coverage, we're going for enough coverage to *start* writing RDFa, and then you go to recipes on the wiki for more.

15:23:48 <Ralph> sure, "enough" is a judgement call :)

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Unknown Ralph: sure, "enough" is a judgement call :)

15:24:00 <msporny> Manu: Really, we should see if Mark is okay with it and if we have that much consensus here, then we should push it to the WG.

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Unknown Manu: Really, we should see if Mark is okay with it and if we have that much consensus here, then we should push it to the WG.

15:24:09 <Ralph> I hope that the Wiki material will lead to improved versions of the Primer

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Unknown Ralph: I hope that the Wiki material will lead to improved versions of the Primer

15:24:33 <benadida> ACTION: Ben to chat immediately with Mark and see if the Primer is "good enough" for WG review.

ACTION: Ben to chat immediately with Mark and see if the Primer is "good enough" for WG review.

15:25:14 <benadida> Steven, if you're reading this, do send a list of the issues with the Primer, happy to incorporate small changes

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Unknown benadida: Steven, if you're reading this, do send a list of the issues with the Primer, happy to incorporate small changes

15:25:26 <Steven> Ben, I will send them tomorrow

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Unknown Steven: Ben, I will send them tomorrow

15:25:59 <msporny> Topic: XHTML namespace quick resolution

3. XHTML namespace quick resolution

15:26:30 <msporny> Manu: I thought it was supposed to be a GRDDL pointer

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Unknown Manu: I thought it was supposed to be a GRDDL pointer

15:26:36 <benadida> +1

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Unknown benadida: +1

15:26:37 <msporny> Ben: Yep - same here.

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Unknown Ben: Yep - same here.

15:27:07 <msporny> Topic: ISSUE-109 and ISSUE-110

4. ISSUE-109 and ISSUE-110

15:27:19 <benadida> ISSUE-109: http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/track/issues/109

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Unknown ISSUE-109: http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/track/issues/109 [ Scribe Assist by Unknown benadida ]

15:27:35 <benadida> "do something with @cite"

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Unknown benadida: "do something with @cite"

15:27:45 <Ralph> [I'd be happy to offically take an action to draft something for the XHTML namespace document]

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Unknown Ralph: [I'd be happy to offically take an action to draft something for the XHTML namespace document]

15:28:07 <Ralph> -1 to taking up @cite in this version

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Unknown Ralph: -1 to taking up @cite in this version

15:28:19 <msporny> Manu: I agree with Mark's response.

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Unknown Manu: I agree with Mark's response.

15:28:28 <msporny> Ben: We're in agreement that we shouldn't do anything with @cite.

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Unknown Ben: We're in agreement that we shouldn't do anything with @cite.

15:28:36 <msporny> Ben: Mark agrees with that as well.

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Unknown Ben: Mark agrees with that as well.

15:28:45 <msporny> Ben: Don't know what Steven or Michael would say.

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Unknown Ben: Don't know what Steven or Michael would say.

15:29:02 <msporny> Ben: Ralph agrees, but he thinks the response should be more complete.

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Unknown Ben: Ralph agrees, but he thinks the response should be more complete.

15:29:06 <Steven> zakim, dial steven-617

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Unknown Steven: zakim, dial steven-617

15:29:14 <Zakim> ok, Steven; the call is being made

Zakim IRC Bot: ok, Steven; the call is being made

15:29:20 <Zakim> +Steven

Zakim IRC Bot: +Steven

15:29:42 <msporny> Ralph: For @cite the answers clear, we defer to a future version.

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Unknown Ralph: For @cite the answers clear, we defer to a future version.

15:29:51 <msporny> Ralph: But we should be more specific in the response.

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Unknown Ralph: But we should be more specific in the response.

15:30:01 <msporny> Ben: So we should formally restate Mark's answer?

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Unknown Ben: So we should formally restate Mark's answer?

15:30:49 <msporny> Ralph: Mark gives far too much detail - I don't think we need to give all that detail.

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Unknown Ralph: Mark gives far too much detail - I don't think we need to give all that detail.

15:30:56 <msporny> Ben: So, we're not doing anything with @cite.

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Unknown Ben: So, we're not doing anything with @cite.

15:30:58 <msporny> Steven: I agree.

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Unknown Steven: I agree.

15:31:50 <msporny> Steven: We should say we considered it, but there are others that could fit in this category - we decided to defer in the name of simplicity.

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Unknown Steven: We should say we considered it, but there are others that could fit in this category - we decided to defer in the name of simplicity.

15:32:33 <benadida> PROPOSE to resolve ISSUE-109: "We considered @cite but realized that many other attributes would then require RDFa interpretation and that doing so is not simple. We defer this issue to a future version of RDFa."

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Unknown benadida: PROPOSE to resolve ISSUE-109: "We considered @cite but realized that many other attributes would then require RDFa interpretation and that doing so is not simple. We defer this issue to a future version of RDFa."

15:33:05 <msporny> Ralph: We may want to find those discussions.

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Unknown Ralph: We may want to find those discussions.

15:33:15 <msporny> +1 for current PROPOSAL

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+1 for current PROPOSAL

15:33:20 <Steven> +1

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Unknown Steven: +1

15:33:27 <benadida> RESOLVED ISSUE-109: "We considered @cite but realized that many other attributes would then require RDFa interpretation and that doing so is not simple. We defer this issue to a future version of RDFa."

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Unknown benadida: RESOLVED ISSUE-109: "We considered @cite but realized that many other attributes would then require RDFa interpretation and that doing so is not simple. We defer this issue to a future version of RDFa."

15:33:43 <msporny> RESOLUTION: ISSUE-109: "We considered @cite but realized that many other attributes would then require RDFa interpretation and that doing so is not simple. We defer this issue to a future version of RDFa.

RESOLVED: ISSUE-109: "We considered @cite but realized that many other attributes would then require RDFa interpretation and that doing so is not simple. We defer this issue to a future version of RDFa.

15:34:24 <benadida> ACTION: Ben to respond to ISSUE-109 with (if possible) pointers to past discussion of @cite

ACTION: Ben to respond to ISSUE-109 with (if possible) pointers to past discussion of @cite

15:34:57 <msporny> Ben: Issue 110 is about @src being subject or object.

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Unknown Ben: ISSUE-110 is about @src being subject or object.

15:35:13 <Steven> link to response?

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Unknown Steven: link to response?

15:35:34 <msporny> Manu: I thought the response was good.

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Unknown Manu: I thought the response was good.

15:35:40 <msporny> one sec, Steven... finding it ...

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one sec, Steven... finding it ...

15:35:57 <benadida> Mark's response: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-in-xhtml-tf/2008Mar/0311.html

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Unknown benadida: Mark's response: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-in-xhtml-tf/2008Mar/0311.html

15:36:17 <msporny> Ben: First on the issue - do we agree we shouldn't re-open it.

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Unknown Ben: First on the issue - do we agree we shouldn't re-open it.

15:36:20 <msporny> Manu: Yes.

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Unknown Manu: Yes.

15:36:22 <msporny> Ralph: Yes.

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Unknown Ralph: Yes.

15:36:37 <msporny> Steven - woof.

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Steven - woof.

15:37:02 <msporny> Steven: Yes, agreed - don't re-open.

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Unknown Steven: Yes, agreed - don't re-open.

15:37:33 <msporny> Ben: We should respond with the summary that Ralph wrote up and a pointer to Mark's e-mail.

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Unknown Ben: We should respond with the summary that Ralph wrote up and a pointer to Mark's e-mail.

15:38:35 <benadida> PROPOSAL: "on ISSUE-110, we considered @src in both subject and object positions, and resolved that the current situation - it's equivalent to @about - is more useful to authors."

PROPOSED: "on ISSUE-110, we considered @src in both subject and object positions, and resolved that the current situation - it's equivalent to @about - is more useful to authors."

15:38:59 <msporny> +1 for proposal

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+1 for proposal

15:39:04 <msporny> Steven: +1 for proposal

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Unknown Steven: +1 for proposal

15:39:10 <Ralph> +1

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Unknown Ralph: +1

15:39:11 <msporny> Ralph: +1 for proposal

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Unknown Ralph: +1 for proposal

15:39:13 <msporny> RESOLUTION: ISSUE-110: "we considered @src in both subject and object positions, and resolved that the currewe considered @src in both subject and object positions, and resolved that the current situation - it's equivalent to @about - is more useful to authors."nt situation - it's equivalent to @about - is more useful to authors."

RESOLVED: ISSUE-110: "we considered @src in both subject and object positions, and resolved that the currewe considered @src in both subject and object positions, and resolved that the current situation - it's equivalent to @about - is more useful to authors."nt situation - it's equivalent to @about - is more useful to authors."

15:40:23 <Steven> zakim, dial steven-mobile

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Unknown Steven: zakim, dial steven-mobile

15:40:23 <Zakim> ok, Steven; the call is being made

Zakim IRC Bot: ok, Steven; the call is being made

15:40:24 <Zakim> +Steven

Zakim IRC Bot: +Steven

15:40:31 <msporny> Ben: Steven, Ralph - about the Primer - do you agree that we ask Mark and Michael and see if they're fine with it - and push it forward?

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Unknown Ben: Steven, Ralph - about the Primer - do you agree that we ask Mark and Michael and see if they're fine with it - and push it forward?

15:40:39 <Steven> zakim, drop steven

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Unknown Steven: zakim, drop steven

15:40:39 <Zakim> 'steven' is ambiguous, Steven

Zakim IRC Bot: 'steven' is ambiguous, Steven

15:40:48 <Steven> zakim, drop steven-mobile

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Unknown Steven: zakim, drop steven-mobile

15:40:48 <Zakim> sorry, Steven, I do not see a party named 'steven-mobile'

Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, Steven, I do not see a party named 'steven-mobile'

15:41:02 <Zakim> -Steven

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Zakim IRC Bot: -Steven

15:41:34 <Steven> zakim, dial steven-mobile

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Unknown Steven: zakim, dial steven-mobile

15:41:34 <Zakim> ok, Steven; the call is being made

Zakim IRC Bot: ok, Steven; the call is being made

15:41:35 <Zakim> +Steven

Zakim IRC Bot: +Steven

15:41:50 <msporny> Ben: we need a document that people are comfortable with pointing people to a document.

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Unknown Ben: we need a document that people are comfortable with pointing people to a document.

15:42:02 <msporny> Ben: Are you okay with that line of thinking?

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Unknown Ben: Are you okay with that line of thinking?

15:42:08 <msporny> Ralph: Yes - we don't want to hold this up.

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Unknown Ralph: Yes - we don't want to hold this up.

15:42:24 <Steven> zakim, who is on the phone?

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Unknown Steven: zakim, who is on the phone?

15:42:24 <Zakim> On the phone I see Manu?, Ben_Adida, Ralph, Steven, Steven (muted)

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see Manu?, Ben_Adida, Ralph, Steven, Steven (muted)

15:42:25 <Zakim> -Steven

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Zakim IRC Bot: -Steven

15:42:35 <Steven> zakim, dial steven-mobile

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Unknown Steven: zakim, dial steven-mobile

15:42:35 <Zakim> ok, Steven; the call is being made

Zakim IRC Bot: ok, Steven; the call is being made

15:42:36 <Zakim> +Steven

Zakim IRC Bot: +Steven

15:42:47 <Zakim> -Steven

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Zakim IRC Bot: -Steven

15:43:53 <msporny> Topic: Test Cases

5. Test Cases

15:44:05 <msporny> Ben: Is it more useful to do them on the call.

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Unknown Ben: Is it more useful to do them on the call.

15:44:47 <msporny> http://rdfa.digitalbazaar.com/rdfa-test-harness/

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http://rdfa.digitalbazaar.com/rdfa-test-harness/

15:44:54 <msporny> Steven is now walking down steps :)

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Steven is now walking down steps :)

15:45:19 <msporny> Manu: First one is test #100

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Unknown Manu: First one is test #100

15:46:26 <benadida> xmlns:ex="http://www.example.org#"

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Unknown xmlns: ex="http://www.example.org#" [ Scribe Assist by Unknown benadida ]

15:46:36 <msporny> Manu: Is that correct?

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Unknown Manu: Is that correct?

15:48:50 <Ralph> [looking up RFC 3986 http://gbiv.com/protocols/uri/rfc/rfc3986.html to see if that's a legitimate URI]

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Unknown Ralph: [looking up RFC 3986 http://gbiv.com/protocols/uri/rfc/rfc3986.html to see if that's a legitimate URI]

15:49:58 <msporny> http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/RDFa/testsuite/xhtml1-testcases/0100.xhtml

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http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/RDFa/testsuite/xhtml1-testcases/0100.xhtml

15:53:01 <Ralph> [actually, http://www.w3.org/Protocols/rfc2616/rfc2616-sec3.html#sec3.2.2 is where we need to look]

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Unknown Ralph: [actually, http://www.w3.org/Protocols/rfc2616/rfc2616-sec3.html#sec3.2.2 is where we need to look]

15:53:12 <benadida> Manu: we had agreed that the proper canonicalization for our tests involved stuffing all namespaces into each top-level element.

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Unknown Manu: we had agreed that the proper canonicalization for our tests involved stuffing all namespaces into each top-level element. [ Scribe Assist by Unknown benadida ]

15:53:42 <benadida> Ben: so this will likely fail for Firefox-based JavaScript (mine and Elias's), but that's okay we can document it.

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Unknown Ben: so this will likely fail for Firefox-based JavaScript (mine and Elias's), but that's okay we can document it. [ Scribe Assist by Unknown benadida ]

15:57:26 <benadida> TC 100: +1 from Ben

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Unknown benadida: TC 100: +1 from Ben

15:57:34 <msporny> TC 100: +1 from Manu

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TC 100: +1 from Manu

15:57:36 <benadida> TC 101: +1 from Ben

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Unknown benadida: TC 101: +1 from Ben

15:57:40 <msporny> TC 101: +1 from Manu

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TC 101: +1 from Manu

15:59:02 <benadida> TC 102: +1 from Ben

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Unknown benadida: TC 102: +1 from Ben

15:59:11 <msporny> Manu: TC 102: +1 from Manu

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Unknown Manu: TC 102: +1 from Manu

16:00:42 <benadida> TC103: +1 from Ben

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Unknown TC103: +1 from Ben [ Scribe Assist by Unknown benadida ]

16:01:42 <msporny> TC103: +1 from Manu

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Unknown TC103: +1 from Manu

16:02:02 <msporny> Ralph: Maybe we should use a different example namespace

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Unknown Ralph: Maybe we should use a different example namespace

16:02:16 <msporny> Ben: Let's change to "http://example.org/"

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Unknown Ben: Let's change to "http://example.org/"

16:03:16 <msporny> Ralph: Let's change to "http://rdfa.example.org/"

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Unknown Ralph: Let's change to "http://rdfa.example.org/"

16:04:14 <Ralph> or http://example.org/rdf/

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Unknown Ralph: or http://example.org/rdf/

16:04:28 <Ralph> (which has the same number of octets :)

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Unknown Ralph: (which has the same number of octets :)

16:06:16 <msporny> Topic: ISSUE-112: RDFa described in purely functional terms?

6. ISSUE-112: RDFa described in purely functional terms?

16:06:23 <msporny> Ben: In an ideal world, great.

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Unknown Ben: In an ideal world, great.

16:06:47 <msporny> Ralph: Agree - it'll take a very long time to do that.

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Unknown Ralph: Agree - it'll take a long time to do that.

16:06:55 <Ralph> s/very//
16:07:01 <Ralph> I'm not sure how long it will take

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Unknown Ralph: I'm not sure how long it will take

16:07:14 <Ralph> but I am pretty sure it will take longer than 2 months and that's too long IMHO

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Unknown Ralph: but I am pretty sure it will take longer than 2 months and that's too long IMHO

16:08:04 <msporny> Steven: Functional is very nice - but would take longer than we have right now. In a future version, we might want to do it in functional terms.

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Unknown Steven: Functional is very nice - but would take longer than we have right now. In a future version, we might want to do it in functional terms.

16:09:07 <msporny> Ralph: It will depend on the author - functional or algorithmic.

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Unknown Ralph: It will depend on the author - functional or algorithmic.

16:09:21 <msporny> Steven: It's good for implementors, but isn't so good for authors.

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Unknown Steven: It's good for implementors, but isn't so good for authors.

16:09:36 <msporny> Ralph: We'll get feedback over the next year or two.

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Unknown Ralph: We'll get feedback over the next year or two.

16:10:20 <benadida> PROPOSE: "on ISSUE-112, we sympathize with the comment, but believe it would take too long to write up a functional description."

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Unknown PROPOSE: "on ISSUE-112, we sympathize with the comment, but believe it would take too long to write up a functional description." [ Scribe Assist by Unknown benadida ]

16:10:38 <benadida> PROPOSE: "on ISSUE-112, we sympathize with the comment, but believe it would take too long to write up an error-free functional description."

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Unknown PROPOSE: "on ISSUE-112, we sympathize with the comment, but believe it would take too long to write up an error-free functional description." [ Scribe Assist by Unknown benadida ]

16:12:26 <msporny> Steven: Maybe we can do a normative one which is algorithmic, and a non-normative one that is functional.

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Unknown Steven: Maybe we can do a normative one which is algorithmic, and a non-normative one that is functional.

16:12:40 <msporny> Ben: We shouldn't commit ourselves to doing something like that right now.

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Unknown Ben: We shouldn't commit ourselves to doing something like that right now.

16:12:40 <benadida> PROPOSE: "on ISSUE-112, we sympathize with the comment, but believe it would take too long given the importance of wrapping up RDFa very soon, to write up a functional description."

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Unknown PROPOSE: "on ISSUE-112, we sympathize with the comment, but believe it would take too long given the importance of wrapping up RDFa very soon, to write up a functional description." [ Scribe Assist by Unknown benadida ]

16:12:53 <msporny> Ralph: Yes, we shouldn't add to the workload that we're currently under.

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Unknown Ralph: Yes, we shouldn't add to the workload that we're currently under.

16:14:41 <benadida> PROPOSE: "on ISSUE-112, we sympathize with the comment, but, given the community pull to finalize RDFa, it would take too long to write up a functional description."

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Unknown PROPOSE: "on ISSUE-112, we sympathize with the comment, but, given the community pull to finalize RDFa, it would take too long to write up a functional description." [ Scribe Assist by Unknown benadida ]

16:14:58 <msporny> +1

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+1

16:15:02 <benadida> PROPOSE: "on ISSUE-112, we sympathize with the comment, but, given the community pull to finalize RDFa, it would take too long to write up an error-free functional description."

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Unknown PROPOSE: "on ISSUE-112, we sympathize with the comment, but, given the community pull to finalize RDFa, it would take too long to write up an error-free functional description." [ Scribe Assist by Unknown benadida ]

16:15:02 <Ralph> +1

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Unknown Ralph: +1

16:15:19 <benadida> +1 from Steven on the phone

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Unknown benadida: +1 from Steven on the phone

16:15:20 <msporny> RESOLUTION: "on ISSUE-112, we sympathize with the comment, but, given the community pull to finalize RDFa, it would take too long to write up a functional description."

RESOLVED: "on ISSUE-112, we sympathize with the comment, but, given the community pull to finalize RDFa, it would take too long to write up a functional description."

16:18:57 <Ralph> -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2008Apr/0050.html "Draft response to: TAG comments on: http://www.w3.org/TR/2007/WD-curie-20071126/ "CURIE Syntax 1.0"" [Steven 2008-04-16]

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Unknown Ralph: -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2008Apr/0050.html "Draft response to: TAG comments on: http://www.w3.org/TR/2007/WD-curie-20071126/ "CURIE Syntax 1.0"" [Steven 2008-04-16]

16:21:17 <Zakim> -Steven

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Zakim IRC Bot: -Steven

16:21:18 <Zakim> -Ben_Adida

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Zakim IRC Bot: -Ben_Adida

16:21:33 <Ralph> zakim, list attendees

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Unknown Ralph: zakim, list attendees

16:21:33 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been Manu?, Ben_Adida, Ralph, Steven

Zakim IRC Bot: As of this point the attendees have been Manu?, Ben_Adida, Ralph, Steven

16:21:41 <Ralph> rrsagent, draft minutes

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Unknown Ralph: rrsagent, draft minutes

16:21:41 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/04/17-rdfa-minutes.html Ralph

RRSAgent IRC Bot: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/04/17-rdfa-minutes.html Ralph

16:22:52 <Zakim> -Manu?

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16:22:53 <Zakim> -Ralph

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16:23:00 <Zakim> SW_SWD(RDFa)11:00AM has ended

Zakim IRC Bot: SW_SWD(RDFa)11:00AM has ended

16:23:01 <Zakim> Attendees were Manu?, Ben_Adida, Ralph, Steven

Zakim IRC Bot: Attendees were Manu?, Ben_Adida, Ralph, Steven



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