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RDFa Task Force

Minutes of 30 August 2007

Agenda

Action Items

Seen

Manu Sporny, Unknown Ralph, Unknown RalphS, Unknown ShaneM, Unknown Steven, Unknown benadida, Unknown markbirbeck

Guests

Manu Sporny, Manu Sporny (Digital Bazaar)

Regrets

Unknown Michael

Chair

Unknown Ben

Scribe

Unknown RalphS

IRC Log

Original

Resolutions

test 34 approved, contingent on fixing the predicate to foaf:img link
test 35 accepted, correcting foaf:image to foaf:img link
test 36 accepted, correcting foaf:image to foaf:img link

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Report on SWD WG telecon
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14:58:43 <RalphS> Meeting: RDFa Task Force

14:59:47 <RalphS> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-in-xhtml-tf/2007Aug/0188.html

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15:00:29 <RalphS> zakim, +??p19 is Manu_Sporny

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15:00:34 <RalphS> zakim, ??p19 is Manu_Sporny

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15:00:34 <Zakim> +Manu_Sporny; got it

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15:01:07 <markbirbeck> zakim, codes?

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15:01:15 <Steven> zakim, dial steven-617

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15:01:15 <Zakim> ok, Steven; the call is being made

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15:01:17 <Zakim> +Steven

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15:01:18 <RalphS> -> http://www.w3.org/2007/08/23-rdfa-minutes previous 2007-08-23

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15:01:26 <markbirbeck> zakim, code?

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15:01:26 <Zakim> the conference code is 7332 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), markbirbeck

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15:02:03 <RalphS> Guest: Manu Sporny

15:03:00 <RalphS> Guest: Manu Sporny, Digital Bazaar

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15:04:25 <markbirbeck> zakim, i am aaaa

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15:06:51 <RalphS> rrsagent, please make record public

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15:08:09 <Zakim> +benadida

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15:08:27 <RalphS> Manu, I'm in Blacksburg Virginia, at Virginia Tech

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15:08:41 <RalphS> Ben: I've invited Manu to join today as a guest

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15:09:20 <RalphS> Chair: Ben

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15:09:33 <RalphS> Scribe: RalphS

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15:09:36 <RalphS> Regrets: Michael

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15:10:11 <RalphS> agenda: Action Items

15:10:18 <RalphS> agenda+ Action Items

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15:10:24 <RalphS> agenda+ Test Cases

agenda+ Test Cases ←

15:10:32 <RalphS> agenda+ Report on SWD WG telecon

agenda+ Report on SWD WG telecon ←

15:10:37 <RalphS> agenda+ Status of Documents

agenda+ Status of Documents ←

15:10:42 <RalphS> agenda+ Schedule

agenda+ Schedule ←

15:10:55 <RalphS> agenda+ xml:lang and XMLLiterals

agenda+ xml:lang and XMLLiterals ←

15:11:32 <RalphS> zakim, take up agendum 1

zakim, take up agendum 1 ←

15:11:32 <Zakim> agendum 1. "Action Items" taken up [from RalphS]

1. Action Items

15:11:56 <RalphS> ACTION: Ben, Mark, Elias, and other implementors to add xml:lang support [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/08/23-rdfa-minutes.html#action11]

ACTION: Ben, Mark, Elias, and other implementors to add xml:lang support [recorded in ACTION-11]">http://www.w3.org/2007/08/23-rdfa-minutes.html#ACTION-11] ←

15:12:03 <RalphS> -- continues

-- continues ←

15:12:18 <RalphS> Mark: my implementation is a javascript library

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Unknown Mark: my implementation is a javascript library ←

15:12:32 <RalphS> ... at the moment this is running inside an Internet Explorer sidebar

... at the moment this is running inside an Internet Explorer sidebar ←

15:12:41 <RalphS> ... the library is cross-browser, however

... the library is cross-browser, however ←

15:12:54 <RalphS> ... I do plan to make this open source

... I do plan to make this open source ←

15:14:08 <RalphS> ... I didn't use Ben's bookmarklet library because I wanted to reuse work I'd done years ago on an RDF parser

... I didn't use Ben's bookmarklet library because I wanted to reuse work I'd done years ago on an RDF parser ←

15:14:51 <RalphS> ... I want to trigger arbitrary things on finding a triple

... I want to trigger arbitrary things on finding a triple ←

15:15:23 <RalphS> ... I did start with Ben's code

... I did start with Ben's code ←

15:15:53 <RalphS> ... I have xml:lang support already

... I have xml:lang support already ←

15:16:00 <RalphS> Ben: I don't yet support xml:lang

Unknown Ben: I don't yet support xml:lang ←

15:16:17 <RalphS> ... there are side issues, such as agendum 6

... there are side issues, such as agendum 6 ←

15:16:26 <RalphS> ... regarding XMLLiterals

... regarding XMLLiterals ←

15:16:44 <RalphS> ... I chatted with Elias last week

... I chatted with Elias last week ←

15:17:20 <RalphS> ... He's been following the mail and has been working with Mike Kaply on the FireFox Operator support

... He's been following the mail and has been working with Mike Kaply on the FireFox Operator support ←

15:17:52 <RalphS> ACTION: Michael to create "Microformats done right -- unambiguous taxonomies via RDF" on the wiki [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/08/23-rdfa-minutes.html#action06]

ACTION: Michael to create "Microformats done right -- unambiguous taxonomies via RDF" on the wiki [recorded in ACTION-06]">http://www.w3.org/2007/08/23-rdfa-minutes.html#ACTION-06] ←

15:17:54 <RalphS> -- continues

-- continues ←

15:18:15 <RalphS> [WITHDRAWN] ACTION: Michael to create best practices wiki page [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/08/16-rdfa-minutes.html#action13]

[WITHDRAWN] ACTION: Michael to create best practices wiki page [recorded in ACTION-13]">http://www.w3.org/2007/08/16-rdfa-minutes.html#ACTION-13] ←

15:19:20 <RalphS> ACTION: Ben to look into Science Commons use case [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/12/11-htmltf-minutes.html#action04]

ACTION: Ben to look into Science Commons use case [recorded in ACTION-04]">http://www.w3.org/2006/12/11-htmltf-minutes.html#ACTION-04] ←

15:19:23 <RalphS> -- continues

-- continues ←

15:19:48 <RalphS> q+

q+ ←

15:19:57 <RalphS> ACTION: Ben to recontact implementors Elias, MarkB, triplr [and Fabien] and post their implementations to http://esw.w3.org/topic/RDFa#Implementations [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/08/02-rdfa-minutes.html#action09]

ACTION: Ben to recontact implementors Elias, MarkB, triplr [and Fabien] and post their implementations to http://esw.w3.org/topic/RDFa#Implementations [recorded in ACTION-09]">http://www.w3.org/2007/08/02-rdfa-minutes.html#ACTION-09] ←

15:20:00 <RalphS> -- continues

-- continues ←

15:20:10 <RalphS> Ben: I've done some, still need to contact Fabien and others

Unknown Ben: I've done some, still need to contact Fabien and others ←

15:20:18 <RalphS> ACTION: Ben to work test cases 31 and 32 into primer [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/08/16-rdfa-minutes.html#action14]

ACTION: Ben to work test cases 31 and 32 into primer [recorded in ACTION-14]">http://www.w3.org/2007/08/16-rdfa-minutes.html#ACTION-14] ←

15:20:21 <RalphS> -- continues

-- continues ←

15:20:36 <RalphS> Ben: I've updated the Primer but might not have completed this action

Unknown Ben: I've updated the Primer but might not have completed this action ←

15:20:48 <RalphS> [DONE] ACTION: Michael to add a test case for @src [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/08/16-rdfa-minutes.html#action10]

[DONE] ACTION: Michael to add a test case for @src [recorded in ACTION-10]">http://www.w3.org/2007/08/16-rdfa-minutes.html#ACTION-10] ←

15:21:55 <RalphS> Ralph: Michael's best practices action had to do with URIs in @href and @resource.  Did we really withdraw this?

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Unknown Ralph: Michael's best practices action had to do with URIs in @href and @resource. Did we really withdraw this? ←

15:22:14 <RalphS> Mark: I think we did decide to withdraw this

Unknown Mark: I think we did decide to withdraw this ←

15:22:29 <RalphS> ... Michael had suggested some 'MUST' language to authors in the spec

... Michael had suggested some 'MUST' language to authors in the spec ←

15:22:42 <RalphS> ... we decided we couldn't add that

... we decided we couldn't add that ←

15:23:02 <RalphS> ... but we also discussed whether there couldn't be some advice, say, in the Primer

... but we also discussed whether there couldn't be some advice, say, in the Primer ←

15:23:39 <RalphS> ... using @resource='isbn...' is a simple case

... using @resource='isbn...' is a simple case ←

15:23:58 <RalphS> ACTION: Ben add an isbn: resource example to the Primer to illustrate @resource overriding @href

ACTION: Ben add an isbn: resource example to the Primer to illustrate @resource overriding @href ←

15:24:23 <RalphS> zakim, move to next agendum

zakim, move to next agendum ←

15:24:23 <Zakim> I see a speaker queue remaining and respectfully decline to close this agendum, RalphS

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15:24:27 <RalphS> zakim, move to next agendum

zakim, move to next agendum ←

15:24:28 <Zakim> agendum 2. "Test Cases" taken up [from RalphS]

2. Test Cases

15:24:40 <benadida> http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/RDFa/testsuite/xhtml1-testcases/Test0034

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Unknown benadida: http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/RDFa/testsuite/xhtml1-testcases/Test0034 ←

15:24:51 <RalphS> Test 34

Test 34 ←

15:25:13 <benadida> <img 	about="http://sw-app.org/mic.xhtml#i"   	   		rel="foaf:image"   	   		src="http://sw-app.org/img/mic_2007_01.jpg"    	   		alt="A photo depicting Michael" />

Unknown benadida: <img about="http://sw-app.org/mic.xhtml#i" rel="foaf:image" src="http://sw-app.org/img/mic_2007_01.jpg" alt="A photo depicting Michael" /> ←

15:25:47 <RalphS> Steven: is foaf:image the right spelling?

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Unknown Steven: is foaf:image the right spelling? ←

15:26:27 <RalphS> Ben: nope, foaf:Image is the class, foaf:img is the predicate

Unknown Ben: nope, foaf:Image is the class, foaf:img is the predicate ←

15:26:39 <RalphS> Steven: is depictionOf not preferred?

Unknown Steven: is depicts not preferred? ←

15:27:29 <RalphS> s/depictionOf/depicts/

15:27:32 <Steven> http://xmlns.com/foaf/spec/

Unknown Steven: http://xmlns.com/foaf/spec/ ←

15:28:20 <RalphS> RESOLVED: test 34 approved, contingent on fixing the predicate to foaf:img

RESOLVED: test 34 approved, contingent on fixing the predicate to foaf:img ←

15:28:36 <RalphS> Steven: [reads from -> http://xmlns.com/foaf/spec/#term_img foaf:img definition ]

Unknown Steven: [reads from -> http://xmlns.com/foaf/spec/#term_img foaf:img definition ] ←

15:28:59 <Steven> "Unlike the more general foaf:depiction property (and its inverse, foaf:depicts), the foaf:img property is only used with representations of people (ie. instances of foaf:Person)."

Unknown Steven: "Unlike the more general foaf:depiction property (and its inverse, foaf:depicts), the foaf:img property is only used with representations of people (ie. instances of foaf:Person)." ←

15:29:12 <RalphS> Mark: foaf:depiction can point to pictures that include other things; foaf:img is like a preferred image of [one] person

Unknown Mark: foaf:depiction can point to pictures that include other things; foaf:img is like a preferred image of [one] person ←

15:30:07 <RalphS> Mark: it's a shame that @alt isn't being used for rdfs:label but that's another issue

Unknown Mark: it's a shame that @alt isn't being used for rdfs:label but that's another issue ←

15:30:17 <benadida> http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/RDFa/testsuite/xhtml1-testcases/Test0035

Unknown benadida: http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/RDFa/testsuite/xhtml1-testcases/Test0035 ←

15:30:24 <benadida> <img 	about="http://sw-app.org/mic.xhtml#i"   	   		rel="foaf:image"   	   		src="http://sw-app.org/img/mic_2007_01.jpg"    	   		href="http://sw-app.org/img/mic_2006_03.jpg"    	   		alt="A photo depicting Michael" />

Unknown benadida: <img about="http://sw-app.org/mic.xhtml#i" rel="foaf:image" src="http://sw-app.org/img/mic_2007_01.jpg" href="http://sw-app.org/img/mic_2006_03.jpg" alt="A photo depicting Michael" /> ←

15:30:25 <RalphS> Test 35

Test 35 ←

15:31:06 <RalphS> Ben: test 35 shows @href overriding @src

Unknown Ben: test 35 shows @href overriding @src ←

15:31:52 <RalphS> Mark: test 35 is correct but looking at the markup it seems counterintuitive why @href is overriding

Unknown Mark: test 35 is correct but looking at the markup it seems counterintuitive why @href is overriding ←

15:32:18 <RalphS> Steven: there are cases in the future where you'll want both @src and @href on the same element

Unknown Steven: there are cases in the future where you'll want both @src and @href on the same element ←

15:32:25 <RalphS> Ben: the @href might be a bigger picture, for example

Unknown Ben: the @href might be a bigger picture, for example ←

15:32:49 <RalphS> ... in that case, the author probably does want the relationship to be with the bigger picture and not the thumbnail

... in that case, the author probably does want the relationship to be with the bigger picture and not the thumbnail ←

15:33:13 <RalphS> Steven: yes, that's the expected answer for that use case.  But if clicking on the link took you to a home page ...

Unknown Steven: yes, that's the expected answer for that use case. But if clicking on the link took you to a home page ... ←

15:33:32 <RalphS> Ben: so that's a good example to use @resource to override @href

Unknown Ben: so that's a good example to use @resource to override @href ←

15:33:54 <RalphS> Steven: the question is how to interpret the @rel

Unknown Steven: the question is how to interpret the @rel ←

15:34:17 <RalphS> Ben: if the author has an image that links back to a home page, will they use @rel?

Unknown Ben: if the author has an image that links back to a home page, will they use @rel? ←

15:34:26 <RalphS> Steven: yes, if the @rel is homepage

Unknown Steven: yes, if the @rel is homepage ←

15:36:15 <RalphS> Ralph: my intuition is that <img @href> will be used when the image is an iconic representation of the @href target,

Unknown Ralph: my intuition is that <img @href> will be used when the image is an iconic representation of the @href target, ←

15:36:28 <RalphS> ... in that case the natural object is the @href target

... in that case the natural object is the @href target ←

15:36:49 <RalphS> Ben: I can see markup specifically written to defeat our approach

Unknown Ben: I can see markup specifically written to defeat our approach ←

15:37:24 <RalphS> ... but it seems unlikely that the default markup will want a different interpretation

... but it seems unlikely that the default markup will want a different interpretation ←

15:38:14 <RalphS> RESOLVED: test 35 accepted, correcting foaf:image to foaf:img

RESOLVED: test 35 accepted, correcting foaf:image to foaf:img ←

15:38:35 <RalphS> -> http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/RDFa/testsuite/xhtml1-testcases/Test0036 test 36

-> http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/RDFa/testsuite/xhtml1-testcases/Test0036 test 36 ←

15:38:58 <RalphS> Steven: we should add another test using all 3 in combination

Unknown Steven: we should add another test using all 3 in combination ←

15:39:08 <RalphS> Mark: and one without @rel

Unknown Mark: and one without @rel ←

15:39:21 <RalphS> ... but how do we write a SPARQL query that shows no triple?

... but how do we write a SPARQL query that shows no triple? ←

15:40:18 <RalphS> RESOLVED: test 36 accepted, correcting foaf:image to foaf:img

RESOLVED: test 36 accepted, correcting foaf:image to foaf:img ←

15:40:58 <RalphS> Manu: do we need the DIV?  are we trying to keep the tests minimal?

Manu Sporny: do we need the DIV? are we trying to keep the tests minimal? ←

15:41:06 <RalphS> ... not a problem but might be confusing

... not a problem but might be confusing ←

15:41:30 <RalphS> Shane: the DIV is needed for the content model; IMG not allowed in BODY

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Unknown Shane: the DIV is needed for the content model; IMG not allowed in BODY ←

15:43:07 <RalphS> ACTION: Ralph ask Eric Prud'hommeaux if there's a clever way to write a variant of tests 34-36 without @rel

ACTION: Ralph ask Eric Prud'hommeaux if there's a clever way to write a variant of tests 34-36 without @rel ←

15:43:37 <RalphS> ACTION: Ben ask Michael to write versions of tests 34-36 including all of @src, @href, and @resource

ACTION: Ben ask Michael to write versions of tests 34-36 including all of @src, @href, and @resource ←

15:43:56 <RalphS> Steven: I propose also duplicating these tests with @rev in place of @rel

Unknown Steven: I propose also duplicating these tests with @rev in place of @rel ←

15:44:29 <RalphS> ACTION: Ben ask Michael to duplicate tests 34-36 with @rev in place of @rel

ACTION: Ben ask Michael to duplicate tests 34-36 with @rev in place of @rel ←

15:44:42 <RalphS> ACTION: Ben ask Michael to duplicate tests 34-36 omitting @about

ACTION: Ben ask Michael to duplicate tests 34-36 omitting @about ←

15:44:57 <RalphS> zakim, move to next agendum

zakim, move to next agendum ←

15:44:57 <Zakim> agendum 3. "Report on SWD WG telecon" taken up [from RalphS]

3. Report on SWD WG telecon

15:45:11 <RalphS> Ben: I gave a Task Force report to the SWD Working Group this past Tuesday

Unknown Ben: I gave a Task Force report to the SWD Working Group this past Tuesday ←

15:45:32 <RalphS> ... the chairs are a bit worried about our status, partly because we haven't reported a lot

... the chairs are a bit worried about our status, partly because we haven't reported a lot ←

15:45:38 <RalphS> ... I reminded them that we do have test cases

... I reminded them that we do have test cases ←

15:46:01 <RalphS> ... the SWD Working Group still has an open question whether the RDFa spec is REC track

... the SWD Working Group still has an open question whether the RDFa spec is REC track ←

15:46:16 <RalphS> ... I had an action to make sure the XHTML2 WG is going to review our specification

... I had an action to make sure the XHTML2 WG is going to review our specification ←

15:46:38 <RalphS> Steven: you mean additional reviews from non-Task Force members? sure

Unknown Steven: you mean additional reviews from non-Task Force members? sure ←

15:46:51 <RalphS> Ben: we have two reviewers for the syntax document from the SWD WG

Unknown Ben: we have two reviewers for the syntax document from the SWD WG ←

15:47:22 <RalphS> ... I'll try to do a better job of publicizing the progress we've made

... I'll try to do a better job of publicizing the progress we've made ←

15:47:42 <ShaneM> Note that the separate document xhtml-rdfa will also have test cases - this is an independent activity that has to do with modules etc.

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Unknown ShaneM: Note that the separate document xhtml-rdfa will also have test cases - this is an independent activity that has to do with modules etc. ←

15:47:56 <RalphS> ... the quality of the document we present to the SWD WG in mid-September will be a factor in them deciding whether RDFa spec is REC track

... the quality of the document we present to the SWD WG in mid-September will be a factor in them deciding whether RDFa spec is REC track ←

15:49:22 <RalphS> Ralph: the REC Track question in SWD is largely a procedural question

Unknown Ralph: the REC Track question in SWD is largely a procedural question ←

15:49:32 <RalphS> ... it came up at the WG face-to-face in January

... it came up at the WG face-to-face in January ←

15:49:48 <RalphS> ... at that time the only public WD for RDFa syntax was part of the XHTML2 WD

... at that time the only public WD for RDFa syntax was part of the XHTML2 WD ←

15:49:58 <RalphS> ... and the XHTML2 charter was still open for discussion

... and the XHTML2 charter was still open for discussion ←

15:50:14 <RalphS> ... so in January the SWD WG was concerned that there might not be a document done in time

... so in January the SWD WG was concerned that there might not be a document done in time ←

15:50:35 <RalphS> ... the WG opened an issue on "RDFa to Rec track?" and it's never closed that issue

... the WG opened an issue on "RDFa to Rec track?" and it's never closed that issue ←

15:50:47 <RalphS> ... if we deliver the Syntax document in September the issue should be easily closed

... if we deliver the Syntax document in September the issue should be easily closed ←

15:50:54 <RalphS> zakim, move to next agendum

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15:50:54 <Zakim> agendum 4. "Status of Documents" taken up [from RalphS]

4. Status of Documents

15:51:14 <RalphS> Steven: I'm working on the basic structure [of @@], need to add some examples

Unknown Steven: I'm working on the basic structure [of @@], need to add some examples ←

15:51:23 <RalphS> Shane: Mark is working on the rules section

Unknown Shane: Mark is working on the rules section ←

15:51:31 <RalphS> ... and I've put in the CURIE syntax into the current editor's draft

... and I've put in the CURIE syntax into the current editor's draft ←

15:52:02 <RalphS> ... we'll keep the public URI updated as we commit changes.  It's not yet updating automatically

... we'll keep the public URI updated as we commit changes. It's not yet updating automatically ←

15:52:33 <RalphS> Steven: my goal is to complete the gross changes by tomorrow

Unknown Steven: my goal is to complete the gross changes by tomorrow ←

15:52:47 <RalphS> Shane: I've done most of what I'd planned except for the references section, which I hope to do by tomorrow

Unknown Shane: I've done most of what I'd planned except for the references section, which I hope to do by tomorrow ←

15:52:54 <RalphS> Mark: I hope to have the rules section by tomorrow

Unknown Mark: I hope to have the rules section by tomorrow ←

15:53:04 <RalphS> Ben: can we have a draft by Monday for TF review?

Unknown Ben: can we have a draft by Monday for TF review? ←

15:53:17 <RalphS> Mark: I doubt we'll have the changes integrated by the end of Friday

Unknown Mark: I doubt we'll have the changes integrated by the end of Friday ←

15:54:47 <RalphS> -> http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/Drafts/#rdfa-syntax Syntax editor's draft

-> http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/Drafts/#rdfa-syntax Syntax editor's draft ←

15:55:36 <RalphS> ACTION: Shane send email to the TF list when the editor's draft is ready for the TF to read

ACTION: Shane send email to the TF list when the editor's draft is ready for the TF to read ←

15:56:04 <RalphS> Shane: the editor's drafts cited above will be diff-marked

Unknown Shane: the editor's drafts cited above will be diff-marked ←

15:56:26 <RalphS> Ben: I've committed a new editors' draft of the primer

Unknown Ben: I've committed a new editors' draft of the primer ←

15:56:36 <RalphS> ... all the markup has been updated to the current design

... all the markup has been updated to the current design ←

15:56:43 <RalphS> ... I need to add some @rev examples

... I need to add some @rev examples ←

15:57:00 <RalphS> ... I will commit a review version by Tuesday

... I will commit a review version by Tuesday ←

15:57:25 <RalphS> ACTION: Ben send mail to the TF list when the Primer editors' draft is ready for the TF to read

ACTION: Ben send mail to the TF list when the Primer editors' draft is ready for the TF to read ←

15:57:40 <RalphS> Manu: I skimmed the Primer a month ago

Manu Sporny: I skimmed the Primer a month ago ←

15:57:51 <RalphS> ... many of the examples were high-level and seemed to focus mostly on FOAF

... many of the examples were high-level and seemed to focus mostly on FOAF ←

15:58:08 <RalphS> ... my biggest problem with the Primer was that it gave an overview but didn't motivate people why they should use RDFa

... my biggest problem with the Primer was that it gave an overview but didn't motivate people why they should use RDFa ←

15:58:28 <RalphS> ... you might want examples of other content, not just People

... you might want examples of other content, not just People ←

15:58:53 <RalphS> ... e.g. the Microformats community needs to show that there are other things you can mark up than Events and People

... e.g. the Microformats community needs to show that there are other things you can mark up than Events and People ←

15:59:14 <ShaneM>  If you are going to add useful examples, some sort of RSS annotation tie in would be good!

Unknown ShaneM: If you are going to add useful examples, some sort of RSS annotation tie in would be good! ←

15:59:53 <RalphS> Ben: yeah, making a Web page be its own RSS feed is an example I've wanted to write

Unknown Ben: yeah, making a Web page be its own RSS feed is an example I've wanted to write ←

16:00:33 <RalphS> Manu: a 'choose your own adventure' sort of thing, with multiple paths, works well

Manu Sporny: a 'choose your own adventure' sort of thing, with multiple paths, works well ←

16:00:43 <RalphS> ... e.g. a photo thread, a music thread, ...

... e.g. a photo thread, a music thread, ... ←

16:00:52 <RalphS> ... but it's also dangerous to put all this in a single document

... but it's also dangerous to put all this in a single document ←

16:01:06 <RalphS> ... so perhaps links from the Primer to other use cases

... so perhaps links from the Primer to other use cases ←

16:01:32 <RalphS> Ben: I'd love to see case studies

Unknown Ben: I'd love to see case studies ←

16:01:43 <RalphS> Manu: we're working on a music recommendation engine that will use RDFa

Manu Sporny: we're working on a music recommendation engine that will use RDFa ←

16:02:35 <RalphS> ... linking hAudio files to a page citing an artist

... linking hAudio files to a page citing an artist ←

16:04:26 <RalphS> ... I'll be happy to contribute this in the form of an extended example

... I'll be happy to contribute this in the form of an extended example ←

16:05:08 <RalphS> Ben: in next week's call I'll want us to be discussing specific changes in the draft documents

Unknown Ben: in next week's call I'll want us to be discussing specific changes in the draft documents ←

16:05:22 <Zakim> -markbirbeck

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16:05:23 <Zakim> -Steven

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16:05:23 <RalphS> [adjourned]

[adjourned] ←

16:05:24 <Zakim> -Manu_Sporny

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16:05:25 <Zakim> -ShaneM

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16:06:26 <Zakim> -Ralph

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16:06:28 <Zakim> -benadida

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16:06:29 <Zakim> SW_SWD(RDFa)11:00AM has ended

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16:06:31 <Zakim> Attendees were Ralph, Manu_Sporny, Steven, ShaneM, +020876aaaa, markbirbeck, benadida

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16:06:36 <RalphS> rrsagent, please draft minutes

rrsagent, please draft minutes ←

16:06:36 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/08/30-rdfa-minutes.html RalphS

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16:06:54 <RalphS> zakim, bye

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16:07:39 <RalphS> rrsagent, bye

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16:07:39 <RRSAgent> I see 12 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2007/08/30-rdfa-actions.rdf :

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16:07:39 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Ben, Mark, Elias, and other implementors to add xml:lang support [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/08/23-rdfa-minutes.html#action11] [1]

ACTION: Ben, Mark, Elias, and other implementors to add xml:lang support [recorded in ACTION-11]">http://www.w3.org/2007/08/23-rdfa-minutes.html#ACTION-11] [1] ←

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16:07:39 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Michael to create "Microformats done right -- unambiguous taxonomies via RDF" on the wiki [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/08/23-rdfa-minutes.html#action06] [2]

ACTION: Michael to create "Microformats done right -- unambiguous taxonomies via RDF" on the wiki [recorded in ACTION-06]">http://www.w3.org/2007/08/23-rdfa-minutes.html#ACTION-06] [2] ←

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16:07:39 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Ben to look into Science Commons use case [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/12/11-htmltf-minutes.html#action04] [3]

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16:07:39 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Ben to recontact implementors Elias, MarkB, triplr [and Fabien] and post their implementations to http://esw.w3.org/topic/RDFa#Implementations [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/08/02-rdfa-minutes.html#action09] [4]

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16:07:39 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Ben to work test cases 31 and 32 into primer [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/08/16-rdfa-minutes.html#action14] [5]

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16:07:39 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Ben add an isbn: resource example to the Primer to illustrate @resource overriding @href [6]

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16:07:39 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Ralph ask Eric Prud'hommeaux if there's a clever way to write a variant of tests 34-36 without @rel [7]

ACTION: Ralph ask Eric Prud'hommeaux if there's a clever way to write a variant of tests 34-36 without @rel [7] ←

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16:07:39 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Ben ask Michael to write versions of tests 34-36 including all of @src, @href, and @resource [8]

ACTION: Ben ask Michael to write versions of tests 34-36 including all of @src, @href, and @resource [8] ←

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16:07:39 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Ben ask Michael to duplicate tests 34-36 with @rev in place of @rel [9]

ACTION: Ben ask Michael to duplicate tests 34-36 with @rev in place of @rel [9] ←

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16:07:39 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Ben ask Michael to duplicate tests 34-36 omitting @about [10]

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16:07:39 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Shane send email to the TF list when the editor's draft is ready for the TF to read [11]

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16:07:39 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Ben send mail to the TF list when the Primer editors' draft is ready for the TF to read [12]

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