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Zakim IRC Bot: ok, RalphS; I see SW_SWD(RDFa)11:00AM scheduled to start in 7 minutes ←

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Zakim IRC Bot: the conference code is 7332 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), markbirbeck ←

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none of these are resolutions, but we have agreement that we move forward with implementations and test cases in order to resolve the remaining issues. ←

we will try out striping where @resource, @href, and the bnode on a @rel or @rev becomes the subject of contained elements ←

Unknown markbirbeck: for the purposes of explaining this to 'novices', we used to call this 'chaining'. ←

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Unknown Mark: we're leveraging this <a href=...> example [ Scribe Assist by Unknown RalphS ] ←

Unknown Ben: right, adding @id to A didn't change the interpretation [ Scribe Assist by Unknown RalphS ] ←

Unknown RalphS: ... the only time @id would matter is when neither @href or @resource appear in the element ←

Unknown RalphS: ... without @href or @resource, @id names the bnode subject [of triples from child elements] ←

Unknown Mark: current syntax draft has mostly removed references to @id and the remaining reference is mostly wrong [ Scribe Assist by Unknown RalphS ] ←

Unknown Ben: @id was used before, as in the <div id='foo'> case, to give the name '#foo' to the subject [ Scribe Assist by Unknown RalphS ] ←

Unknown Mark: but there was a reason we removed it [ Scribe Assist by Unknown RalphS ] ←

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Unknown Ralph: we had a long discussion of the potential confusion between the name of an HTML markup fragment and the name of some real-world resource [ Scribe Assist by Unknown RalphS ] ←

Unknown Ben: @rel and @rev cause chaining. @instanceof may also cause chaining. [ Scribe Assist by Unknown RalphS ] ←

Unknown RalphS: Mark @instanceof is special because it's choosing a different subject from <div id=> ←

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Unknown kwijibo: that section keeps referring to subject resolution section 4.3 - which is the object resolution section ←

Unknown RalphS: hi, kwijibo -- we're in a telecon at the moment, so a quick reply to you here might not appear ←

Unknown Mark: I think it is incorrect to use @id to set the subject of child statement is wrong in all contexts [ Scribe Assist by Unknown RalphS ] ←

Unknown Ben: my understanding when working on http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/RDFa/syntax/ was that we were moving away from @xml:id and moving to @id [ Scribe Assist by Unknown RalphS ] ←

Unknown Ben: is #foo the subject of a triple? [ Scribe Assist by Unknown RalphS ] ←

Unknown Ben: I think we agree that the object has rdf:type t. [ Scribe Assist by Unknown RalphS ] ←

Unknown markbirbeck: I agree that Ben has captured this correctly, and I believe that the subject of 'chained' statements should be a bnode. ←

Unknown Ralph: I never expected @id to behave the way Ben just wrote [ Scribe Assist by Unknown RalphS ] ←

Unknown markbirbeck: (In the last draft that myself and Steven did, we had @nodeID to achieve this. :) ←

Unknown markbirbeck: It's not that I saw utility in a recent email...I'm seeing that we might be able to *resurrect* this old technique. ←

Unknown markbirbeck: I think the reason is that if we put link and meta inside the div, we wanted it to refer to @about. ←

Unknown Ben: my reasoning was that without without the @resource, we agreed that the object of @rel='p' is a bnode and that bnode is the subject of the child statements [ Scribe Assist by Unknown RalphS ] ←

Unknown RalphS: [I've searched http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/RDFa/syntax/ for examples of @id and @rel on the same element and the only one I find also has @about which clearly seems to me to support Mark's interpretation] ←

Unknown Mark: some of the [shorthand] features included in old proposals have been dropped, I was wondering if we might eventually want to bring some of them back [ Scribe Assist by Unknown RalphS ] ←

Unknown Ben: I'm seeing more deployed examples that rely on bnode features and those should keep the interpretation if @href is added [ Scribe Assist by Unknown RalphS ] ←

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Unknown markbirbeck: <div about="#bar" rel="s" resource="foo" instanceof="t"> ←

Unknown markbirbeck: In other words, the use-case that we want from having @id 'name' the bnode could be achieved by using @resource. ←

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Unknown Ben: it seems for consistency that in this @id @instanceof case that the subject of rdf:type is a bnode [ Scribe Assist by Unknown RalphS ] ←

Unknown Mark: it would seem that it needs to do so [ Scribe Assist by Unknown RalphS ] ←

Unknown Mark: thinking about the way people understand microformats, there are special markup triggers; e.g. class="vEvent" [ Scribe Assist by Unknown RalphS ] ←

Unknown RalphS: ... so it should not be a problem for people to also learn that @instanceof is a trigger for interpretations of the child properties ←

Unknown Ben: we haven't made any new resolutions in this telecon, as we're not critical mass [ Scribe Assist by Unknown RalphS ] ←

Unknown Ben: is this a good time for Mark and Shane to start work on the new syntax document? [ Scribe Assist by Unknown RalphS ] ←

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RDFa

Minutes of 26 July 2007