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15:57:37 <trackbot> Meeting: RDF Working Group Teleconference
15:57:37 <trackbot> Date: 29 January 2014
15:58:24 <Guus> zakim, who is here?
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16:02:25 <trackbot> Meeting: RDF Working Group Teleconference
16:02:25 <trackbot> Date: 29 January 2014
16:02:36 <Guus> zakim, this is 73394
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16:02:47 <Zakim> On the phone I see Guus_Schreiber, pfps, ??P22, Sandro, ??P27, AZ
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16:02:48 <Zakim> On IRC I see pchampin, tbaker, pfps, AZ, Zakim, RRSAgent, Guus, gkellogg, TallTed, gavinc, yvesr, manu, sandro, ericP, trackbot
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16:03:00 <yvesr> Zakim, ??P22 is me
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16:03:01 <Zakim> +yvesr; got it
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16:03:04 <Zakim> +??P33
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16:03:09 <gkellogg> zakim, ??P27 is me
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16:03:09 <Zakim> +gkellogg; got it
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16:03:13 <pchampin> zakim, ??P33 is me
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16:03:13 <Zakim> +pchampin; got it
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16:03:55 <Guus> zakim, pick a scribe
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16:03:57 <Zakim> Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose yvesr
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16:04:10 <yvesr> scribe: yvesr
(Scribe set to Yves Raimond)
16:04:16 <markus> zakim, code?
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16:04:16 <Zakim> the conference code is 73394 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), markus
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16:04:17 <Guus> chair: Guus
16:04:25 <Zakim> + +1.202.248.aaaa
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16:04:32 <Zakim> +Tom_Baker (was +1.202.248.aaaa)
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16:04:58 <Zakim> +??P39
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16:05:01 <markus> zakim, ??P39 is me
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16:05:01 <Zakim> +markus; got it
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16:05:24 <sandro> q+ to say something about commonscribe
Sandro Hawke: q+ to say something about commonscribe ←
16:05:37 <pfps> minutes look fine to me
Peter Patel-Schneider: minutes look fine to me ←
16:06:01 <Zakim> +GavinC
Zakim IRC Bot: +GavinC ←
16:06:44 <yvesr> RESOLVED to accept the minutes from the previous meeting
RESOLVED to accept the minutes from the previous meeting ←
16:07:03 <yvesr> topic: Action items
16:07:15 <yvesr> Guus: let's go through old action items
Guus Schreiber: let's go through old action items ←
16:07:29 <yvesr> Guus: Comment on issue 148 - that's done
Guus Schreiber: Comment on ISSUE-148 - that's done ←
16:07:54 <yvesr> Guus: My response to Greg Williams fell through the cracks - I didn't have the time to do it
Guus Schreiber: My response to Greg Williams fell through the cracks - I didn't have the time to do it ←
16:08:15 <yvesr> ... Should I still do that?
... Should I still do that? ←
16:08:26 <yvesr> gavinc: Is it the ongoing n-triples / utf-8 issue?
Gavin Carothers: Is it the ongoing n-triples / utf-8 issue? ←
16:08:37 <yvesr> ... if so, then they need to deal with it
... if so, then they need to deal with it ←
16:08:40 <pfps> that sounds like a resolution :-)
Peter Patel-Schneider: that sounds like a resolution :-) ←
16:08:42 <yvesr> Guus: I am going to drop my action
Guus Schreiber: I am going to drop my action ←
16:08:54 <yvesr> Guus: there was two actions on gavinc
Guus Schreiber: there was two actions on gavinc ←
16:08:58 <Zakim> +PatH
Zakim IRC Bot: +PatH ←
16:09:05 <yvesr> gavinc: I am interested in the solution to issue 281
Gavin Carothers: I am interested in the solution to ISSUE-281 ←
16:09:20 <yvesr> ... But now it's a 404 - which I find perfectly acceptable, but it's all gone
... But now it's a 404 - which I find perfectly acceptable, but it's all gone ←
16:09:25 <yvesr> ... /tr/turtle/tests
... /tr/turtle/tests ←
16:10:22 <yvesr> ... (something about relative URLs and symlinks)
... (something about relative URLs and symlinks) ←
16:10:55 <yvesr> gavinc: We broke the web- this is acceptable - we should move on :)
Gavin Carothers: We broke the web- this is acceptable - we should move on :) ←
16:10:58 <pfps> q+
16:11:12 <sandro> q-
Sandro Hawke: q- ←
16:11:14 <pfps> q+ to note that there are some open issues!
Peter Patel-Schneider: q+ to note that there are some open issues! ←
16:11:14 <yvesr> Guus: One action is still open - RDF and RDF namespaces
Guus Schreiber: One action is still open - RDF and RDF namespaces ←
16:11:20 <gkellogg> q+ to ask about ACTION-337
Gregg Kellogg: q+ to ask about ACTION-337 ←
16:11:44 <yvesr> ... Not extremely urgent, but would be nice if fixed in two weeks
... Not extremely urgent, but would be nice if fixed in two weeks ←
16:11:57 <Zakim> +Souri
Zakim IRC Bot: +Souri ←
16:11:57 <yvesr> pfps: There are two open issues
Peter Patel-Schneider: There are two open issues ←
16:12:09 <yvesr> Guus: There are two issues to do with the Primer
Guus Schreiber: There are two issues to do with the Primer ←
16:12:20 <yvesr> ... It would be good to formally close them - but they have nothing to do with the REC documents
... It would be good to formally close them - but they have nothing to do with the REC documents ←
16:12:21 <pfps> q-
16:12:26 <yvesr> ... Let's get back to it later
... Let's get back to it later ←
16:12:40 <yvesr> Guus: New publications - we published RDF 1.1 documents on the 9th of January
Guus Schreiber: New publications - we published RDF 1.1 documents on the 9th of January ←
16:12:50 <yvesr> ... and the JSON-LD REC has been published
... and the JSON-LD REC has been published ←
16:12:55 <yvesr> ... Congratulations to all involved!
... Congratulations to all involved! ←
16:13:17 <gkellogg> ACTION-337?
16:13:17 <trackbot> ACTION-337 -- Gregg Kellogg to Find some test cases for https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/rdf/raw-file/default/rdf-xml/index.html#parsetypeliteralpropertyelt -- due 2013-12-25 -- PENDINGREVIEW
Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-337 -- Gregg Kellogg to Find some test cases for https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/rdf/raw-file/default/rdf-xml/index.html#parsetypeliteralpropertyelt -- due 2013-12-25 -- PENDINGREVIEW ←
16:13:17 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/track/actions/337
Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/track/actions/337 ←
16:13:19 <yvesr> gkellogg: There is ACTION-337 which needs further work
Gregg Kellogg: There is ACTION-337 which needs further work ←
16:13:32 <yvesr> ... Test-cases for creating RDF literals from RDF-XML
... Test-cases for creating RDF literals from RDF-XML ←
16:14:05 <yvesr> manu: I had an action to create test-cases for RDF literals for RDF-XML
Manu Sporny: I had an action to create test-cases for RDF literals for RDF-XML ←
16:14:12 <yvesr> ... They are available as references in the action item
... They are available as references in the action item ←
16:14:26 <yvesr> ... I generated test results based on my own processor
... I generated test results based on my own processor ←
16:14:49 <yvesr> ... Could someone who implemented that verify what I've done?
... Could someone who implemented that verify what I've done? ←
16:15:50 <Zakim> +ericP
Zakim IRC Bot: +ericP ←
16:16:10 <yvesr> topic: Comments on PR transition
16:16:17 <yvesr> Guus: We'll talk about PR process latr
Guus Schreiber: We'll talk about PR process latr ←
16:16:26 <yvesr> Guus: Quite a lot of discussions on language tags case conflict
Guus Schreiber: Quite a lot of discussions on language tags case conflict ←
16:16:32 <yvesr> ... I think there's a very good reason to do nothing
... I think there's a very good reason to do nothing ←
16:16:43 <yvesr> ... Is there a good reason to do anything?
... Is there a good reason to do anything? ←
16:17:00 <pfps> isn't it the case that lowercasing is correct, in some sense?
Peter Patel-Schneider: isn't it the case that lowercasing is correct, in some sense? ←
16:17:01 <yvesr> Guus: We could create an issue and postpone it
Guus Schreiber: We could create an issue and postpone it ←
16:17:08 <yvesr> gavinc: I don't think this issue is going away
Gavin Carothers: I don't think this issue is going away ←
16:17:11 <pfps> q+
16:17:19 <gkellogg> q-
Gregg Kellogg: q- ←
16:17:35 <yvesr> sandro: We should probably create a wiki page listing all the options
Sandro Hawke: We should probably create a wiki page listing all the postponed issues ←
16:17:45 <yvesr> s/options/postponed issues
16:18:11 <yvesr> Guus: I still think we should do nothing in this case
Guus Schreiber: I still think we should do nothing in this case ←
16:18:27 <yvesr> Guus: There's a new comment on N-Triples
Guus Schreiber: There's a new comment on N-Triples ←
16:18:37 <yvesr> gavinc: The @ token is duplicated
Gavin Carothers: The @ token is duplicated ←
16:18:48 <yvesr> ... It involves the literal production and the lang tag
... It involves the literal production and the lang tag ←
16:19:00 <yvesr> Guus: I would be very surprised if we couldn't fix that before REC
Guus Schreiber: I would be very surprised if we couldn't fix that before REC ←
16:19:03 <yvesr> sandro: Yes, no problem
Sandro Hawke: Yes, no problem ←
16:19:26 <yvesr> ACTION on gavinc to fix the @ token duplication
ACTION on gavinc to fix the @ token duplication ←
16:19:26 <trackbot> Error finding 'on'. You can review and register nicknames at <http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/track/users>.
Trackbot IRC Bot: Error finding 'on'. You can review and register nicknames at <http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/track/users>. ←
16:19:33 <yvesr> ACTION gavinc to fix the @ token duplication
ACTION gavinc to fix the @ token duplication ←
16:19:33 <trackbot> Created ACTION-338 - Fix the @ token duplication [on Gavin Carothers - due 2014-02-05].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-338 - Fix the @ token duplication [on Gavin Carothers - due 2014-02-05]. ←
16:19:54 <yvesr> Guus: That should handle that comment
Guus Schreiber: That should handle that comment ←
16:20:03 <pfps> q+
16:20:04 <yvesr> Guus: There was a comment about d-entailment
Guus Schreiber: There was a comment about d-entailment ←
16:20:11 <yvesr> ... Richard already replied
... Richard already replied ←
16:20:17 <pfps> q-
16:20:27 <yvesr> ... That RDF Concepts should be read first
... That RDF Concepts should be read first ←
16:20:41 <yvesr> PatH: There's one point that Alex is misunderstanding - and the rest is in Concepts
Patrick Hayes: There's one point that Axel is misunderstanding - and the rest is in Concepts ←
16:20:55 <AZ> s/Alex/Axel/
16:21:03 <yvesr> ... I'll write a couple of sentences to deal with this misunderstanding
... I'll write a couple of sentences to deal with this misunderstanding ←
16:21:15 <yvesr> ACTION PatH to respond to Axel on d-entailment
ACTION PatH to respond to Axel on d-entailment ←
16:21:15 <trackbot> Created ACTION-339 - Respond to axel on d-entailment [on Patrick Hayes - due 2014-02-05].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-339 - Respond to axel on d-entailment [on Patrick Hayes - due 2014-02-05]. ←
16:21:33 <yvesr> Guus: The last one was a comment about Turtle
Guus Schreiber: The last one was a comment about Turtle ←
16:22:10 <yvesr> gavinc: The first one is an example using a prefix without declaring it
Gavin Carothers: The first one is an example using a prefix without declaring it ←
16:22:15 <yvesr> ... It shouldn't do that
... It shouldn't do that ←
16:22:34 <yvesr> gavinc: I am not sure about the prefix names comment
Gavin Carothers: I am not sure about the prefix names comment ←
16:22:47 <yvesr> Guus: Would you be willing to respond to the commenter?
Guus Schreiber: Would you be willing to respond to the commenter? ←
16:22:54 <gavinc> The specification of prefixed names does not explicitly mention the meaning of ':' (i. e. "current document") if the empty prefix is not declared. That is an important hint for people new to the language. Wording similar to "If the empty prefix ':' is not explicitly declared, it is relative to the current document root."
Gavin Carothers: The specification of prefixed names does not explicitly mention the meaning of ':' (i. e. "current document") if the empty prefix is not declared. That is an important hint for people new to the language. Wording similar to "If the empty prefix ':' is not explicitly declared, it is relative to the current document root." ←
16:22:59 <yvesr> pfps: I think there's some confusion
Peter Patel-Schneider: I think there's some confusion ←
16:23:05 <gavinc> <>
Gavin Carothers: <> ←
16:23:09 <yvesr> gavinc: He might be looking for a feature that Turtle does not have
Gavin Carothers: He might be looking for a feature that Turtle does not have ←
16:23:25 <gkellogg> I think empty prefix was <#> in N3, was it not?
Gregg Kellogg: I think empty prefix was <#> in N3, was it not? ←
16:23:37 <yvesr> ACTION gavinc to respond to Lars about his Turtle comments
ACTION gavinc to respond to Lars about his Turtle comments ←
16:23:37 <trackbot> Created ACTION-340 - Respond to lars about his turtle comments [on Gavin Carothers - due 2014-02-05].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-340 - Respond to lars about his turtle comments [on Gavin Carothers - due 2014-02-05]. ←
16:24:13 <yvesr> gavinc: in N3, the empty prefix is bound to a default URI, which is not true in Turtle
Gavin Carothers: in N3, the empty prefix is bound to a default URI, which is not true in Turtle ←
16:24:35 <yvesr> Guus: A link to the original TriG document is broken
Guus Schreiber: A link to the original TriG document is broken ←
16:24:49 <yvesr> ... I would like to add the right link to the REC
... I would like to add the right link to the REC ←
16:25:02 <yvesr> ACTION Guus to ask Richard about original TriG link
ACTION Guus to ask Richard about original TriG link ←
16:25:02 <trackbot> Created ACTION-341 - Ask richard about original trig link [on Guus Schreiber - due 2014-02-05].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-341 - Ask richard about original trig link [on Guus Schreiber - due 2014-02-05]. ←
16:25:49 <yvesr> topic: PR process
16:26:08 <AZ> Zakim, who is noisy?
Antoine Zimmermann: Zakim, who is noisy? ←
16:26:09 <yvesr> Guus: Any updates on the AC votes?
Guus Schreiber: Any updates on the AC votes? ←
16:26:20 <Zakim> AZ, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Guus_Schreiber (24%), Sandro (15%), PatH (40%)
Zakim IRC Bot: AZ, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Guus_Schreiber (24%), Sandro (15%), PatH (40%) ←
16:26:55 <yvesr> Guus: All the votes for JSON-LD were published on a public mailing list - but nobody complained - did something change in the process?
16:27:34 <gkellogg> s/Guus: All the votes for JSON-LD were published on a public mailing list - but nobody complained - did something change in the process?//
16:28:17 <yvesr> Guus: Ivan asked a question about the final shortnames - so that people typing the URL of the old REC would get redirected to the new REC
Guus Schreiber: Ivan asked a question about the final shortnames - so that people typing the URL of the old REC would get redirected to the new REC ←
16:28:38 <yvesr> sandro: That's only for Concepts and Semantics
Sandro Hawke: That's only for Concepts and Semantics ←
16:29:35 <PatH> Would that make it impossible to read the old ones?? If so I object to that.
Patrick Hayes: Would that make it impossible to read the old ones?? If so I object to that. ←
16:29:51 <yvesr> sandro: We don't usually redirect - worth discussing further
Sandro Hawke: We don't usually redirect - worth discussing further ←
16:29:59 <gavinc> PatH, no you'd just need the DIRECT link to the specific version
Gavin Carothers: PatH, no you'd just need the DIRECT link to the specific version ←
16:30:00 <ericP> +1 to alert box
Eric Prud'hommeaux: +1 to alert box ←
16:30:14 <pfps> +1 to alerting the universe about the change
Peter Patel-Schneider: +1 to alerting the universe about the change ←
16:30:19 <yvesr> Guus: It also holds for Schema, XML Syntax and Primer
Guus Schreiber: It also holds for Schema, XML Syntax and Primer ←
16:30:21 <PatH> +1 to alert box on old one to indicate it is obsolete, but it should be readable.
Patrick Hayes: +1 to alert box on old one to indicate it is obsolete, but it should be readable. ←
16:30:44 <gavinc> can someone update http://www.w3.org/TeamSubmission/turtle/ too?
Gavin Carothers: can someone update http://www.w3.org/TeamSubmission/turtle/ too? ←
16:31:06 <ericP> it's a good idea
Eric Prud'hommeaux: it's a good idea ←
16:31:07 <yvesr> sandro: Why do you want RDF 1.1 as part of the URL?
Sandro Hawke: Why do you want RDF 1.1 as part of the URL? ←
16:31:16 <ericP> i ownder if we own that doc or if the submitter does
Eric Prud'hommeaux: i ownder if we own that doc or if the submitter does ←
16:31:20 <yvesr> Guus: Can someone change the short name at this point in time?
Guus Schreiber: Can someone change the short name at this point in time? ←
16:31:40 <yvesr> gavinc: If we can't do the redirects, what will happen to all the already existing 1.1 URLs
Gavin Carothers: If we can't do the redirects, what will happen to all the already existing 1.1 URLs ←
16:31:48 <yvesr> ... It will need to go one way or another
... It will need to go one way or another ←
16:31:59 <yvesr> Guus: Happy either way as long as it is conformant with W3C policy
Guus Schreiber: Happy either way as long as it is conformant with W3C policy ←
16:32:41 <yvesr> gkellogg: I don't think the old URLs have any values going forward
Gregg Kellogg: I don't think the old URLs have any values going forward ←
16:32:52 <PatH> I am against redirections. It sounds like a tar-pit and its not necessary.
Patrick Hayes: I am against redirections. It sounds like a tar-pit and its not necessary. ←
16:33:00 <yvesr> ... If I wanted to go to RDF-MT, if we add more and more shortnames it will add confusion
... If I wanted to go to RDF-MT, if we add more and more shortnames it will add confusion ←
16:33:13 <yvesr> ... We need a shortname that consistently gets to the latest version
... We need a shortname that consistently gets to the latest version ←
16:33:18 <PatH> The old URLs have a lot of value for checking the history of ideas.
Patrick Hayes: The old URLs have a lot of value for checking the history of ideas. ←
16:33:23 <yvesr> Guus: That suggests redirecting to RDF-MT
Guus Schreiber: That suggests redirecting to RDF-MT ←
16:33:41 <pfps> are we angels dancing on a version 1.1 pin here?
Peter Patel-Schneider: are we angels dancing on a version 1.1 pin here? ←
16:33:42 <yvesr> gavinc: There should be a reference in the header of the recommendation to the last version of the old one
Gavin Carothers: There should be a reference in the header of the recommendation to the last version of the old one ←
16:34:01 <yvesr> Guus: We may need to discuss that with the activity lead
Guus Schreiber: We may need to discuss that with the activity lead ←
16:34:43 <sandro> http://www.w3.org/TR/2012/REC-owl2-primer-20121211/
Sandro Hawke: http://www.w3.org/TR/2012/REC-owl2-primer-20121211/ ←
16:34:45 <yvesr> PatH: I don't think we should do any of these options - each document should have is own URL
Patrick Hayes: I don't think we should do any of these options - each document should have is own URL ←
16:35:03 <yvesr> sandro: That doesn't preclude a 'latest version' URL
Sandro Hawke: That doesn't preclude a 'latest version' URL ←
16:35:07 <AZ> Why not do like for OWL 2: old document has a message that links to the new http://www.w3.org/TR/owl-ref/
Antoine Zimmermann: Why not do like for OWL 2: old document has a message that links to the new http://www.w3.org/TR/owl-ref/ ←
16:35:14 <yvesr> Guus: And you would expect that to get to the RDF 1.1 version
Guus Schreiber: And you would expect that to get to the RDF 1.1 version ←
16:35:44 <sandro> for OWL2 we didn't reuse any names.
Sandro Hawke: for OWL2 we didn't reuse any names. ←
16:36:08 <ericP> PatH, the prob is that we have only 2 urls/doc, instead of 3.
Eric Prud'hommeaux: PatH, the prob is that we have only 2 urls/doc, instead of 3. ←
16:36:12 <yvesr> PatH: It's perfectly clear there's two version of RDF - RDF '0' and RDF 1.1 - so what's wrong with that?
Patrick Hayes: It's perfectly clear there's two version of RDF - RDF '0' and RDF 1.1 - so what's wrong with that? ←
16:36:26 <yvesr> Guus: I'll bring this up with Ralph
Guus Schreiber: I'll bring this up with Ralph ←
16:36:42 <yvesr> ACTION Guus to discuss short names for RDF 1.1 with Ralph
ACTION Guus to discuss short names for RDF 1.1 with Ralph ←
16:36:42 <trackbot> Created ACTION-342 - Discuss short names for rdf 1.1 with ralph [on Guus Schreiber - due 2014-02-05].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-342 - Discuss short names for rdf 1.1 with ralph [on Guus Schreiber - due 2014-02-05]. ←
16:37:01 <yvesr> Guus: Target REC dates
Guus Schreiber: Target REC dates ←
16:37:28 <yvesr> ... The poll ends on the 9th of February - within one or two weeks after that date we should set a date for REC publication
... The poll ends on the 9th of February - within one or two weeks after that date we should set a date for REC publication ←
16:37:36 <yvesr> ... I'd like to propose a date now
... I'd like to propose a date now ←
16:37:42 <yvesr> ... 25 of Feb or 27
... 25 of Feb or 27 ←
16:38:07 <yvesr> ... It would have been nice to go for the 10th, as it's exactly 10 years after the last version
... It would have been nice to go for the 10th, as it's exactly 10 years after the last version ←
16:38:20 <yvesr> sandro: It might be possible
Sandro Hawke: It might be possible ←
16:38:40 <yvesr> Guus: I'd prefer not to do that - there will be a few things to be settled
Guus Schreiber: I'd prefer not to do that - there will be a few things to be settled ←
16:38:49 <yvesr> ... What about the 25?
... What about the 25? ←
16:38:52 <pfps> fine by me
Peter Patel-Schneider: fine by me ←
16:38:59 <markus> +1
Markus Lanthaler: +1 ←
16:39:14 <yvesr> Guus: We want to publish the revised Notes at the same time
Guus Schreiber: We want to publish the revised Notes at the same time ←
16:39:16 <ericP> +1, but bummer about missing the 10y aniv
Eric Prud'hommeaux: +1, but bummer about missing the 10y aniv ←
16:39:24 <PatH> So we can say it took MORE than ten years..
Patrick Hayes: So we can say it took MORE than ten years.. ←
16:39:24 <yvesr> Guus: Let's settle for the 25, then
Guus Schreiber: Let's settle for the 25, then ←
16:39:50 <markus> https://www.w3.org/2001/sw/wiki/JSON_LD_Errata
Markus Lanthaler: https://www.w3.org/2001/sw/wiki/JSON_LD_Errata ←
16:40:11 <markus> http://www.w3.org/2014/json-ld-errata
Markus Lanthaler: http://www.w3.org/2014/json-ld-errata ←
16:40:21 <yvesr> Guus: We have an errate page for JSON-LD
Guus Schreiber: We have an errata page for JSON-LD ←
16:40:26 <yvesr> s/errate/errata
16:40:31 <markus> the second one is the stable one used in the REC
Markus Lanthaler: the second one is the stable one used in the REC ←
16:40:34 <PatH> On reflection, I withdraw my comments about redirecting short names. Y'all do whatever you think is best :-)
Patrick Hayes: On reflection, I withdraw my comments about redirecting short names. Y'all do whatever you think is best :-) ←
16:40:53 <yvesr> Guus: The idea is that these pages will be wiki pages, so that anyone with a semantic web account can edit that page
Guus Schreiber: The idea is that these pages will be wiki pages, so that anyone with a semantic web account can edit that page ←
16:41:16 <yvesr> ... I am happy to do all the admin stuff for the final REC
... I am happy to do all the admin stuff for the final REC ←
16:41:21 <yvesr> ... But we have plenty of time for that
... But we have plenty of time for that ←
16:41:47 <yvesr> Guus: Let's move on with the Notes
Guus Schreiber: Let's move on with the Notes ←
16:41:51 <yvesr> topic: Notes
16:42:03 <yvesr> Guus: On the Primer we got 4 quite extensive set of comments
Guus Schreiber: On the Primer we got 4 quite extensive set of comments ←
16:42:08 <yvesr> ... I responded to two of them
... I responded to two of them ←
16:42:25 <yvesr> ... In two weeks we should be able to discuss the revised version
... In two weeks we should be able to discuss the revised version ←
16:42:40 <yvesr> ... The idea is that we publish that Note on the 25th - same day as the day the REC go out
... The idea is that we publish that Note on the 25th - same day as the day the REC go out ←
16:42:59 <yvesr> Guus: One question - what's currently the main entry point for Linked Data?
Guus Schreiber: One question - what's currently the main entry point for Linked Data? ←
16:43:06 <yvesr> http://linkeddata.org/?
16:43:35 <yvesr> (a bit oudated, but in the other case it's the OKFN directory)
(a bit oudated, but in the other case it's the OKFN directory) ←
16:43:41 <yvesr> (which might be too messy)
(which might be too messy) ←
16:44:15 <yvesr> Guus: That's all for the primer - let's talk about datasets
Guus Schreiber: That's all for the primer - let's talk about datasets ←
16:44:28 <yvesr> Guus: What's left to do on that note?
Guus Schreiber: What's left to do on that note? ←
16:44:40 <yvesr> AZ: There are two issues mentioning the document
Antoine Zimmermann: There are two issues mentioning the document ←
16:45:22 <yvesr> ... PatH mentioned a couple of rephrasing of that note
... PatH mentioned a couple on rephrasing on that note ←
16:45:31 <yvesr> s/of/on
16:45:58 <yvesr> ACTION PatH to do an additional review of the dataset note
ACTION PatH to do an additional review of the dataset note ←
16:45:58 <trackbot> Created ACTION-343 - Do an additional review of the dataset note [on Patrick Hayes - due 2014-02-05].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-343 - Do an additional review of the dataset note [on Patrick Hayes - due 2014-02-05]. ←
16:46:13 <yvesr> Guus: That's all for datasets - Test Cases now
Guus Schreiber: That's all for datasets - Test Cases now ←
16:46:38 <AZ> Note on dataset semantics http://www.w3.org/TR/rdf11-datasets/
Antoine Zimmermann: Note on dataset semantics http://www.w3.org/TR/rdf11-datasets/ ←
16:46:39 <yvesr> ... There were a couple of disagreements on how stable wiki pages are
... There were a couple of disagreements on how stable wiki pages are ←
16:46:52 <yvesr> ... I would like to propose to publish the RDF 1.1 test cases as a WG Note
... I would like to propose to publish the RDF 1.1 test cases as a WG Note ←
16:47:12 <yvesr> gkellogg: Pretty much all of the information that was in the wikis and READMEs should be replicated in that document
Gregg Kellogg: Pretty much all of the information that was in the wikis and READMEs should be replicated in that document ←
16:47:20 <yvesr> ... So there's just one place for people to look at
... So there's just one place for people to look at ←
16:47:28 <yvesr> ... This does *not* include any RDF/XML test cases
... This does *not* include any RDF/XML test cases ←
16:47:40 <yvesr> Guus: Any particular views on this?
Guus Schreiber: Any particular views on this? ←
16:47:59 <yvesr> gkellogg: Are the test cases correct still?
Gregg Kellogg: Are the test cases correct still? ←
16:48:21 <yvesr> ... When taking into account the RDF/XML changes?
... When taking into account the RDF/XML changes? ←
16:48:46 <yvesr> Guus: I'd like to propose to the WG that we have a version ready for next time
Guus Schreiber: I'd like to propose to the WG that we have a version ready for next time ←
16:48:57 <markus> https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/rdf/raw-file/default/rdf11-testcases/index.html
Markus Lanthaler: https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/rdf/raw-file/default/rdf11-testcases/index.html ←
16:49:11 <yvesr> Guus: We should move forward on publishing test cases as a note
Guus Schreiber: We should move forward on publishing test cases as a note ←
16:49:25 <yvesr> Guus: The other issue is for the test cases involving XML literals in RDF/XML
Guus Schreiber: The other issue is for the test cases involving XML literals in RDF/XML ←
16:49:34 <yvesr> ... Now that these literals are non-normative
... Now that these literals are non-normative ←
16:50:31 <gkellogg> Current location of test cases for RDF/XML: https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/rdf/raw-file/default/rdf-xml/tests/
Gregg Kellogg: Current location of test cases for RDF/XML: https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/rdf/raw-file/default/rdf-xml/tests/ ←
16:53:01 <yvesr> Guus: I propose we should include tests for features that are non normative
Guus Schreiber: I propose we should include tests for features that are normative ←
16:53:29 <yvesr> s/non normative/normative
16:53:45 <yvesr> ... And exclude the non-normative ones
... And exclude the non-normative ones ←
16:55:09 <yvesr> Guus: We're going to approve the same tests as before, for the ones concerning features that are still normative
Guus Schreiber: We're going to approve the same tests as before, for the ones concerning features that are still normative ←
16:55:18 <yvesr> ... And we'll publish them as a note when the REC are out
... And we'll publish them as a note when the REC are out ←
16:56:10 <yvesr> ACTION manu to take care of RDF/XML tests for next week
ACTION manu to take care of RDF/XML tests for next week ←
16:56:10 <trackbot> Created ACTION-344 - Take care of rdf/xml tests for next week [on Manu Sporny - due 2014-02-05].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-344 - Take care of rdf/xml tests for next week [on Manu Sporny - due 2014-02-05]. ←
16:56:42 <yvesr> Guus: Next telecon will be on the 12th of Feb
Guus Schreiber: Next telecon will be on the 12th of Feb ←
16:56:59 <yvesr> ... Hopefully we have a positive AC vote by then
... Hopefully we have a positive AC vote by then ←
16:57:05 <yvesr> topic: AOB
16:58:07 <yvesr> Guus: We're adjourned
Guus Schreiber: We're adjourned ←
16:58:08 <Zakim> -ericP
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16:58:08 <Zakim> -Souri
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16:58:09 <Zakim> -gkellogg
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16:58:10 <Zakim> -pfps
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16:58:11 <Zakim> -GavinC
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16:58:11 <Zakim> -markus
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16:58:12 <Zakim> -PatH
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16:58:12 <Zakim> -AZ
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16:58:14 <Zakim> -Sandro
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16:58:14 <Zakim> -tbaker
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16:58:17 <Zakim> -yvesr
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16:58:24 <Guus> trackbot, end meeting
Guus Schreiber: trackbot, end meeting ←
16:58:24 <trackbot> Zakim, list attendees
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16:58:25 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been Guus_Schreiber, pfps, Sandro, AZ, yvesr, gkellogg, pchampin, markus, GavinC, tbaker, PatH, Souri, ericP
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16:58:32 <trackbot> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
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16:58:32 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/01/29-rdf-wg-minutes.html trackbot
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16:58:33 <trackbot> RRSAgent, bye
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16:58:33 <RRSAgent> I see no action items
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