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15:33:24 <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs world
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15:33:26 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be 73394
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15:33:26 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see SW_RDFWG()11:00AM scheduled to start in 27 minutes
Zakim IRC Bot: ok, trackbot; I see SW_RDFWG()11:00AM scheduled to start in 27 minutes ←
15:33:27 <trackbot> Meeting: RDF Working Group Teleconference
15:33:27 <trackbot> Date: 18 December 2013
15:35:59 <gavinc> Hey AndyS, https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/rdf/raw-file/e054e768ca9f/drafts/trig/Overview.html should be everything for TriG
Gavin Carothers: Hey AndyS, https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/rdf/raw-file/e054e768ca9f/drafts/trig/Overview.html should be everything for TriG ←
15:50:03 <AndyS> gavinc - phew!
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Andy Seaborne: gavinc - phew! ←
15:55:07 <gavinc> Only question editorial I had was do we want to just use PREFIX style examples in TriG?
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Gavin Carothers: Only question editorial I had was do we want to just use PREFIX style examples in TriG? ←
15:57:58 <Zakim> SW_RDFWG()11:00AM has now started
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15:58:05 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
Zakim IRC Bot: +[IPcaller] ←
15:58:15 <AndyS> zakim, IPcaller is me
Andy Seaborne: zakim, IPcaller is me ←
15:58:15 <Zakim> +AndyS; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +AndyS; got it ←
15:58:19 <Zakim> +Guus_Schreiber
Zakim IRC Bot: +Guus_Schreiber ←
15:58:55 <Zakim> +GavinC
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15:59:06 <Zakim> +OpenLink_Software
Zakim IRC Bot: +OpenLink_Software ←
15:59:20 <AndyS> gavinc - don't mind - don't consider to necessary as I expect @prefix to be around for a while. No big reason to change. Old data, old examples will be around until ...?
Andy Seaborne: gavinc - don't mind - don't consider to necessary as I expect @prefix to be around for a while. No big reason to change. Old data, old examples will be around until ...? ←
15:59:23 <TallTed> Zakim, OpenLink_Software is temporarily me
Ted Thibodeau: Zakim, OpenLink_Software is temporarily me ←
15:59:23 <Zakim> +TallTed; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +TallTed; got it ←
15:59:51 <Zakim> +Sandro
Zakim IRC Bot: +Sandro ←
16:00:08 <Zakim> +??P10
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P10 ←
16:00:11 <gkellogg> zakim, I am ??P10
Gregg Kellogg: zakim, I am ??P10 ←
16:00:11 <Zakim> +gkellogg; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +gkellogg; got it ←
16:00:22 <Guus> chair: Guus
16:00:47 <Zakim> +Ivan
Zakim IRC Bot: +Ivan ←
16:01:00 <Zakim> +pfps
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16:01:17 <Zakim> +Arnaud
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16:01:33 <Zakim> +??P19
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P19 ←
16:01:43 <yvesr> Zakim, ??P19 is me
Yves Raimond: Zakim, ??P19 is me ←
16:01:45 <Zakim> +yvesr; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +yvesr; got it ←
16:01:55 <TallTed> scribenick: TallTed
(Scribe set to Ted Thibodeau)
16:02:38 <Zakim> +??P26
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P26 ←
16:02:45 <Zakim> +??P28
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P28 ←
16:02:55 <cygri> zakim, ??P26 is me
Richard Cyganiak: zakim, ??P26 is me ←
16:02:55 <Zakim> +cygri; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +cygri; got it ←
16:03:02 <AZ> Zakim, ??P28 is me
Antoine Zimmermann: Zakim, ??P28 is me ←
16:03:03 <Zakim> +AZ; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +AZ; got it ←
16:03:15 <Zakim> +David_Wood
Zakim IRC Bot: +David_Wood ←
16:03:37 <TallTed> PROPOSED: accept the minutes of the 11 Dec telecon, https://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/rdf-wg/2013-12-11
PROPOSED: accept the minutes of the 11 Dec telecon, https://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/rdf-wg/2013-12-11 ←
16:03:43 <pfps> minutes look fine
Peter Patel-Schneider: minutes look fine ←
16:03:48 <AndyS> +1
Andy Seaborne: +1 ←
16:04:00 <TallTed> RESOLVED: accepted the minutes of the 11 Dec telecon
RESOLVED: accepted the minutes of the 11 Dec telecon ←
16:04:13 <TallTed> TOPIC: action items
16:04:16 <Zakim> +PatH
Zakim IRC Bot: +PatH ←
16:04:18 <AZ> I can't load the minutes
Antoine Zimmermann: I can't load the minutes ←
16:05:18 <pfps> last week's minutes are at http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/wiki/Meetings:Telecon2013.12.18
Peter Patel-Schneider: last week's minutes are at http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/wiki/Meetings:Telecon2013.12.18 ←
16:05:37 <pfps> Oops, not there!
Peter Patel-Schneider: Oops, not there! ←
16:05:43 <TallTed> http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/wiki/Meetings:Telecon2013.12.11
http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/wiki/Meetings:Telecon2013.12.11 ←
16:06:02 <pfps> I just was able to look at the minutes, but they are not loading right now - I claim that they looked OK
Peter Patel-Schneider: I just was able to look at the minutes, but they are not loading right now - I claim that they looked OK ←
16:06:40 <TallTed> TOPIC: WG activity plan
16:08:05 <TallTed> Guus: plans in Agenda seem feasible, with 3 month WG extension
Guus Schreiber: plans in Agenda seem feasible, with 3 month WG extension ←
16:08:10 <pfps> +1 to request extension
Peter Patel-Schneider: +1 to request extension ←
16:08:15 <davidwood> +1 to extend
David Wood: +1 to extend ←
16:08:17 <yvesr> +1
Yves Raimond: +1 ←
16:08:49 <TallTed> PROPOSED: to Request W3M to extend for 2/3 months, with voluntary biweekly meetings in that period
PROPOSED: to Request W3M to extend for 2/3 months, with voluntary biweekly meetings in that period ←
16:09:02 <gkellogg> +1
Gregg Kellogg: +1 ←
16:09:03 <TallTed> sandro: +1
Sandro Hawke: +1 ←
16:09:06 <TallTed> +1
+1 ←
16:09:08 <pchampin> +1
16:09:09 <lanthaler> +1
Markus Lanthaler: +1 ←
16:09:10 <Arnaud> +1
Arnaud Le Hors: +1 ←
16:09:11 <cygri> +1
Richard Cyganiak: +1 ←
16:09:12 <AZ> +1
Antoine Zimmermann: +1 ←
16:09:12 <ivan> +1
Ivan Herman: +1 ←
16:09:20 <TallTed> RESOLVED: Request W3M to extend for 2/3 months, with voluntary biweekly meetings in that period
RESOLVED: Request W3M to extend for 2/3 months, with voluntary biweekly meetings in that period ←
16:09:34 <PatH> +1
Patrick Hayes: +1 ←
16:09:54 <TallTed> PROPOSED: the RDF WG petition the Director to take JSON-LD to Recommendation immediately after the publication of the Proposed Recommendations for the rest of the RDF 1.1 work.
PROPOSED: the RDF WG petition the Director to take JSON-LD to Recommendation immediately after the publication of the Proposed Recommendations for the rest of the RDF 1.1 work. ←
16:10:02 <davidwood> +1
David Wood: +1 ←
16:10:04 <pfps> q+
16:10:06 <gkellogg> +1
Gregg Kellogg: +1 ←
16:10:08 <PatH> +1
Patrick Hayes: +1 ←
16:10:09 <lanthaler> +1
Markus Lanthaler: +1 ←
16:10:11 <AndyS> 0
Andy Seaborne: 0 ←
16:10:14 <gavinc> 0
Gavin Carothers: 0 ←
16:10:23 <pfps> -1
16:10:23 <Zakim> +ericP
Zakim IRC Bot: +ericP ←
16:10:35 <davidwood> q+ re messaging
David Wood: q+ re messaging ←
16:10:52 <pfps> q-
16:10:52 <cygri> 0
16:11:00 <Guus> ack pfps
Guus Schreiber: ack pfps ←
16:11:08 <yvesr> +0
Yves Raimond: +0 ←
16:12:38 <Guus> ack sandro
Guus Schreiber: ack sandro ←
16:12:40 <manu> +1
Manu Sporny: +1 ←
16:12:42 <Zakim> +zwu2
Zakim IRC Bot: +zwu2 ←
16:12:48 <TallTed> ack davidwood
ack davidwood ←
16:12:48 <Zakim> davidwood, you wanted to discuss messaging
Zakim IRC Bot: davidwood, you wanted to discuss messaging ←
16:13:01 <AZ> 0
16:13:23 <davidwood> I prefer to allow JSON-LD to go to REC early. It is messaging to a different community. We wanted to tie JSON-LD to RDF, which which have done. We do not also need to mess up their messaging.
David Wood: I prefer to allow JSON-LD to go to REC early. It is messaging to a different community. We wanted to tie JSON-LD to RDF, which which have done. We do not also need to mess up their messaging. ←
16:13:47 <Zakim> +??P39
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P39 ←
16:13:54 <markus> zakim, ??P39 is me
Markus Lanthaler: zakim, ??P39 is me ←
16:13:54 <Zakim> +markus; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +markus; got it ←
16:14:52 <davidwood> PR-REC is a staff decision.
David Wood: PR-REC is a staff decision. ←
16:15:11 <manu> zakim, code?
Manu Sporny: zakim, code? ←
16:15:11 <Zakim> the conference code is 73394 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), manu
Zakim IRC Bot: the conference code is 73394 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), manu ←
16:15:27 <Zakim> +??P33
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P33 ←
16:15:43 <manu> zakim, ??P33 is manu
Manu Sporny: zakim, ??P33 is manu ←
16:15:43 <Zakim> +manu; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +manu; got it ←
16:15:48 <TallTed> RESOLVED: the RDF WG petition the Director to take JSON-LD to Recommendation immediately after the publication of the Proposed Recommendations for the rest of the RDF 1.1 work. over objection from pfps
RESOLVED: the RDF WG petition the Director to take JSON-LD to Recommendation immediately after the publication of the Proposed Recommendations for the rest of the RDF 1.1 work. over objection from pfps ←
16:15:53 <AZ> Zakim, who's noisy please?
Antoine Zimmermann: Zakim, who's noisy please? ←
16:15:56 <pfps> my concern is that JSON-LD should progress in step with the rest of RDF, as it should closely depend on the core aspects of RDF
Peter Patel-Schneider: my concern is that JSON-LD should progress in step with the rest of RDF, as it should closely depend on the core aspects of RDF ←
16:16:04 <Zakim> AZ, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: AndyS (47%), Guus_Schreiber (42%), TallTed (19%), PatH (9%), manu (5%)
Zakim IRC Bot: AZ, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: AndyS (47%), Guus_Schreiber (42%), TallTed (19%), PatH (9%), manu (5%) ←
16:16:18 <TallTed> TOPIC: CR implementations
16:16:58 <Zakim> -manu
Zakim IRC Bot: -manu ←
16:17:01 <TallTed> PROPOSED: the WG decides it has met the CR Exit Criteria for RDF 1.1 Turtle, TriG, NiTriples, and N-Quads (see statistics in PR Request http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/wiki/RDF11-PR-Request#CR_Exit_Criteria_Turtle.2C_Trig.2C_N-Triples_and_N-Quads )
PROPOSED: the WG decides it has met the CR Exit Criteria for RDF 1.1 Turtle, TriG, NiTriples, and N-Quads (see statistics in PR Request http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/wiki/RDF11-PR-Request#CR_Exit_Criteria_Turtle.2C_Trig.2C_N-Triples_and_N-Quads ) ←
16:17:03 <pfps> +1
16:17:04 <gkellogg> +1
Gregg Kellogg: +1 ←
16:17:08 <ivan> +1
Ivan Herman: +1 ←
16:17:10 <gavinc> +1
Gavin Carothers: +1 ←
16:17:12 <PatH> +1
Patrick Hayes: +1 ←
16:17:13 <ericP> +1
Eric Prud'hommeaux: +1 ←
16:17:15 <yvesr> +1
Yves Raimond: +1 ←
16:17:23 <davidwood> +1
David Wood: +1 ←
16:17:25 <AndyS> +1
Andy Seaborne: +1 ←
16:17:26 <zwu2> +1
16:17:31 <cygri> Implementation reports: http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/wiki/#Implementation_reports
Richard Cyganiak: Implementation reports: http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/wiki/#Implementation_reports ←
16:17:34 <gavinc> https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/rdf/raw-file/default/rdf-turtle/reports/index.html
Gavin Carothers: https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/rdf/raw-file/default/rdf-turtle/reports/index.html ←
16:17:41 <gavinc> https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/rdf/raw-file/default/trig/reports/index.html
Gavin Carothers: https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/rdf/raw-file/default/trig/reports/index.html ←
16:17:45 <gavinc> https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/rdf/raw-file/default/rdf-turtle/reports-nt/index.html
Gavin Carothers: https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/rdf/raw-file/default/rdf-turtle/reports-nt/index.html ←
16:17:47 <TallTed> +1
+1 ←
16:17:54 <gavinc> https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/rdf/raw-file/default/nquads/reports/index.html
Gavin Carothers: https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/rdf/raw-file/default/nquads/reports/index.html ←
16:17:55 <Zakim> -cygri
Zakim IRC Bot: -cygri ←
16:17:58 <TallTed> RESOLVED: the WG decides it has met the CR Exit Criteria for RDF 1.1 Turtle, TriG, NiTriples, and N-Quads (see statistics in PR Request
RESOLVED: the WG decides it has met the CR Exit Criteria for RDF 1.1 Turtle, TriG, NiTriples, and N-Quads (see statistics in PR Request ←
16:17:59 <AZ> +1
Antoine Zimmermann: +1 ←
16:18:39 <TallTed> PROPOSED: the WG decides to rescinded the two tests below as they are not helpful to interoperability, for the reasons outlined in http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-wg/2013Dec/0305.html -- https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/rdf/raw-file/default/rdf-mt/reports/index.html#test_datatypes-intensional-xsd-integer-string-incompatible ; https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/rdf/raw-file/default/rdf-mt/reports/index.html#test_xmlsch-02-whitespace-face
PROPOSED: the WG decides to rescinded the two tests below as they are not helpful to interoperability, for the reasons outlined in http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-wg/2013Dec/0305.html -- https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/rdf/raw-file/default/rdf-mt/reports/index.html#test_datatypes-intensional-xsd-integer-string-incompatible ; https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/rdf/raw-file/default/rdf-mt/reports/index.html#test_xmlsch-02-whitespace-face ←
16:18:39 <TallTed> t-3
t-3 ←
16:18:40 <Zakim> +??P40
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P40 ←
16:18:45 <cygri> zakim, ??P40 is me
Richard Cyganiak: zakim, ??P40 is me ←
16:18:45 <Zakim> +cygri; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +cygri; got it ←
16:18:53 <gkellogg> +1
Gregg Kellogg: +1 ←
16:18:55 <PatH> +q
Patrick Hayes: +q ←
16:20:06 <TallTed> PatH: if unimportant, why were they go here at all?
Patrick Hayes: if unimportant, why were they go here at all? ←
16:20:22 <gavinc> http://www.w3.org/TR/2005/WD-swbp-xsch-datatypes-20050427/#sec-values-differ ?
Gavin Carothers: http://www.w3.org/TR/2005/WD-swbp-xsch-datatypes-20050427/#sec-values-differ ? ←
16:20:27 <TallTed> Guus: first one is axiomatic to basic functionality; if you don't have it, you can't operate at all...
Guus Schreiber: first one is axiomatic to basic functionality; if you don't have it, you can't operate at all... ←
16:20:39 <ivan> ack PatH
Ivan Herman: ack PatH ←
16:20:44 <ivan> ack sandro
Ivan Herman: ack sandro ←
16:20:47 <Guus> ack sandro
Guus Schreiber: ack sandro ←
16:21:35 <Zakim> +Souri
Zakim IRC Bot: +Souri ←
16:21:37 <PatH> Yes, exactly.
Patrick Hayes: Yes, exactly. ←
16:22:10 <ericP> another take on sandro's point is whether *customers* would care about an implementation which passes those tests
Eric Prud'hommeaux: another take on sandro's point is whether *customers* would care about an implementation which passes those tests ←
16:22:40 <ivan> +1
Ivan Herman: +1 ←
16:22:42 <markus> +1
Markus Lanthaler: +1 ←
16:22:44 <cygri> +0.5
Richard Cyganiak: +0.5 ←
16:22:44 <gavinc> +meh
Gavin Carothers: +meh ←
16:22:51 <gavinc> +0
Gavin Carothers: +0 ←
16:23:07 <ericP> +1
Eric Prud'hommeaux: +1 ←
16:23:10 <AZ> +1
Antoine Zimmermann: +1 ←
16:23:15 <zwu2> +1
16:23:15 <davidwood> +1
David Wood: +1 ←
16:23:15 <pfps> +0.5 with the same concern that Pat had
Peter Patel-Schneider: +0.5 with the same concern that Pat had ←
16:23:17 <TallTed> +0.5
+0.5 ←
16:23:17 <Guus> +1
Guus Schreiber: +1 ←
16:23:21 <PatH> +1 though I feel rushed here.
Patrick Hayes: +1 though I feel rushed here. ←
16:24:01 <TallTed> RESOLVED: the WG decides to rescinded the two tests below as they are not helpful to interoperability, for the reasons outlined in http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-wg/2013Dec/0305.html -- https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/rdf/raw-file/default/rdf-mt/reports/index.html#test_datatypes-intensional-xsd-integer-string-incompatible ; https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/rdf/raw-file/default/rdf-mt/reports/index.html#test_xmlsch-02-whitespace-face
RESOLVED: the WG decides to rescinded the two tests below as they are not helpful to interoperability, for the reasons outlined in http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-wg/2013Dec/0305.html -- https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/rdf/raw-file/default/rdf-mt/reports/index.html#test_datatypes-intensional-xsd-integer-string-incompatible ; https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/rdf/raw-file/default/rdf-mt/reports/index.html#test_xmlsch-02-whitespace-face ←
16:24:01 <TallTed> t-3
t-3 ←
16:24:42 <PatH> Andy, the sematnics actually makes some infrences valid that are so obscure that nobody cares about them. Who knew?
Patrick Hayes: Andy, the sematnics actually makes some infrences valid that are so obscure that nobody cares about them. Who knew? ←
16:24:42 <TallTed> ACTION: gkellogg to update manifest and regenerate implementation report
ACTION: gkellogg to update manifest and regenerate implementation report ←
16:24:43 <trackbot> Created ACTION-335 - Update manifest and regenerate implementation report [on Gregg Kellogg - due 2013-12-25].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-335 - Update manifest and regenerate implementation report [on Gregg Kellogg - due 2013-12-25]. ←
16:25:04 <TallTed> PROPOSED: the WG decides it it has met the CR Exit Criteria for RDF 1.1 Semantics (see implementation report, https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/rdf/raw-file/default/rdf-mt/reports/index.html )
PROPOSED: the WG decides it it has met the CR Exit Criteria for RDF 1.1 Semantics (see implementation report, https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/rdf/raw-file/default/rdf-mt/reports/index.html ) ←
16:25:36 <PatH> gavin, it predicts the opposite, ie the subclass is D-inconsistent.
Patrick Hayes: gavin, it predicts the opposite, ie the subclass is D-inconsistent. ←
16:25:44 <cygri> +1
Richard Cyganiak: +1 ←
16:25:46 <markus> +1
Markus Lanthaler: +1 ←
16:25:49 <TallTed> +1
+1 ←
16:25:50 <ivan> +1
Ivan Herman: +1 ←
16:25:50 <pfps> +1
16:25:52 <gavinc> +1
Gavin Carothers: +1 ←
16:25:54 <AZ> +1
Antoine Zimmermann: +1 ←
16:25:54 <gkellogg> +1
Gregg Kellogg: +1 ←
16:25:55 <yvesr> +1
Yves Raimond: +1 ←
16:25:55 <Guus> +1
Guus Schreiber: +1 ←
16:25:56 <zwu2> +1
16:25:56 <davidwood> +1
David Wood: +1 ←
16:25:57 <Souri> +1
Souripriya Das: +1 ←
16:26:00 <AndyS> +0
Andy Seaborne: +0 ←
16:26:00 <PatH> +1
Patrick Hayes: +1 ←
16:26:05 <TallTed> RESOLVED: the WG decides it it has met the CR Exit Criteria for RDF 1.1 Semantics (see implementation report, https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/rdf/raw-file/default/rdf-mt/reports/index.html )
RESOLVED: the WG decides it it has met the CR Exit Criteria for RDF 1.1 Semantics (see implementation report, https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/rdf/raw-file/default/rdf-mt/reports/index.html ) ←
16:26:16 <gavinc> path, yeah that's what I meant
Gavin Carothers: path, yeah that's what I meant ←
16:26:25 <PatH> Sorry, see that now.
Patrick Hayes: Sorry, see that now. ←
16:26:33 <TallTed> Guus: question for the WG. gkellogg produced RDF 1.1 Test Casees, https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/rdf/raw-file/default/rdf11-testcases/index.html
Guus Schreiber: question for the WG. markus and gkellogg produced RDF 1.1 Test Cases, https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/rdf/raw-file/default/rdf11-testcases/index.html ←
16:27:04 <TallTed> ... do we want to publish this as a NOTE, so we can clearly reference it through other docs?
... do we want to publish this as a NOTE, so we can clearly reference it through other docs? ←
16:27:16 <ivan> s/Casees/Cases/
16:27:32 <TallTed> s/gkellogg/markus and gkellogg/
16:27:56 <ivan> q+
Ivan Herman: q+ ←
16:28:10 <Guus> ack ivan
Guus Schreiber: ack ivan ←
16:28:41 <cygri> q+
Richard Cyganiak: q+ ←
16:29:24 <davidwood> I don't believe the W3C mercurial repository is stable - the sysreq team is already talking about migrating it.
David Wood: I don't believe the W3C mercurial repository is stable - the sysreq team is already talking about migrating it. ←
16:29:36 <Guus> ack cygri
Guus Schreiber: ack cygri ←
16:30:31 <PatH> +1 cygri
Patrick Hayes: +1 cygri ←
16:30:37 <TallTed> cygri: corresponding doc from 2004 was Rec. downgrade to Note seems reasonable; having it in TR space seems a good thing.
Richard Cyganiak: corresponding doc from 2004 was Rec. downgrade to Note seems reasonable; having it in TR space seems a good thing. ←
16:31:53 <TallTed> Guus: we may try to do this in January.
Guus Schreiber: we may try to do this in January. ←
16:31:59 <TallTed> TOPIC: Status of Syntax documents
16:33:04 <TallTed> gavinc: all the Agenda-listed things have been done
Gavin Carothers: all the Agenda-listed things have been done ←
16:33:31 <gavinc> ISSUE-119?
16:33:31 <trackbot> ISSUE-119 -- Spec should reference the test suite -- open
Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-119 -- Spec should reference the test suite -- open ←
16:33:31 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/track/issues/119
Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/track/issues/119 ←
16:33:50 <markus> have the syntax documents been updated to mention rdf:langString.. or is that considered to be unnecessary?
Markus Lanthaler: have the syntax documents been updated to mention rdf:langString.. or is that considered to be unnecessary? ←
16:33:58 <Zakim> -cygri
Zakim IRC Bot: -cygri ←
16:33:59 <gavinc> PROPOSED: Resolve ISSUE-119, Turtle has a link to test suite https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/rdf/raw-file/default/rdf-turtle/index.html
PROPOSED: Resolve ISSUE-119, Turtle has a link to test suite https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/rdf/raw-file/default/rdf-turtle/index.html ←
16:33:59 <ericP> PROPOSED: close issue-119 given that spec now references test suite in multiple ways
PROPOSED: close ISSUE-119 given that spec now references test suite in multiple ways ←
16:34:12 <gkellogg> =1
Gregg Kellogg: =1 ←
16:34:14 <gkellogg> +1
Gregg Kellogg: +1 ←
16:34:16 <gavinc> +1
Gavin Carothers: +1 ←
16:34:16 <TallTed> +1
+1 ←
16:34:17 <markus> +1
Markus Lanthaler: +1 ←
16:34:18 <davidwood> +1
David Wood: +1 ←
16:34:18 <ericP> +1
Eric Prud'hommeaux: +1 ←
16:34:18 <ivan> +1
Ivan Herman: +1 ←
16:34:20 <AndyS> +1
Andy Seaborne: +1 ←
16:34:21 <Guus> +1
Guus Schreiber: +1 ←
16:34:21 <Arnaud> +1
Arnaud Le Hors: +1 ←
16:34:30 <Souri> +1
Souripriya Das: +1 ←
16:34:34 <pfps> +1
16:34:35 <zwu2> +1
16:34:36 <TallTed> RESOLVED: close issue-119, Turtle has a link to test suite https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/rdf/raw-file/default/rdf-turtle/index.html
RESOLVED: close ISSUE-119, Turtle has a link to test suite https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/rdf/raw-file/default/rdf-turtle/index.html ←
16:34:49 <AZ> +1
Antoine Zimmermann: +1 ←
16:34:50 <Zakim> +??P0
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P0 ←
16:34:52 <yvesr> +1
Yves Raimond: +1 ←
16:34:54 <cygri> zakim, ??P0 is me
Richard Cyganiak: zakim, ??P0 is me ←
16:34:54 <Zakim> +cygri; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +cygri; got it ←
16:34:58 <AndyS> markus - they have taken the line of being "syntax" so no. Arguable either way.
Andy Seaborne: markus - they have taken the line of being "syntax" so no. Arguable either way. ←
16:35:04 <PatH> Dancing lemmings?
Patrick Hayes: Dancing lemmings? ←
16:35:17 <gavinc> The literal has a lexical form of the first rule argument, String. If the '^^' iri rule matched, the datatype is iri and the literal has no language tag. If the LANGTAG rule matched, the datatype is rdf:langString and the language tag is LANGTAG. If neither matched, the datatype is xsd:string and the literal has no language tag.
Gavin Carothers: The literal has a lexical form of the first rule argument, String. If the '^^' iri rule matched, the datatype is iri and the literal has no language tag. If the LANGTAG rule matched, the datatype is rdf:langString and the language tag is LANGTAG. If neither matched, the datatype is xsd:string and the literal has no language tag. ←
16:36:24 <TallTed> markus: questions address of rdf:langstring in all syntax docs
Markus Lanthaler: questions address of rdf:langstring in all syntax docs ←
16:36:34 <ericP> https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/rdf/raw-file/default/rdf-turtle/index.html#handle-RDFLiteral
Eric Prud'hommeaux: https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/rdf/raw-file/default/rdf-turtle/index.html#handle-RDFLiteral ←
16:36:39 <TallTed> TOPIC: Concepts & Semantics
16:36:45 <ericP> If the LANGTAG rule matched, the datatype is rdf:langString and the language tag is LANGTAG.
Eric Prud'hommeaux: If the LANGTAG rule matched, the datatype is rdf:langString and the language tag is LANGTAG. ←
16:37:00 <TallTed> issue-148?
16:37:00 <trackbot> issue-148 -- CR comment: IRIs do *not* always denote the same resource -- open
Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-148 -- CR comment: IRIs do *not* always denote the same resource -- open ←
16:37:00 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/track/issues/148
Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/track/issues/148 ←
16:37:34 <TallTed> q+
q+ ←
16:38:01 <Guus> ack Ted
Guus Schreiber: ack Ted ←
16:38:39 <davidwood> I am already on record as saying that I consider the existing wording to be adequate, but would accept some minor adjectival adjustments.
David Wood: I am already on record as saying that I consider the existing wording to be adequate, but would accept some minor adjectival adjustments. ←
16:38:53 <ericP> -1 to "are expected ot"
Eric Prud'hommeaux: -1 to "are expected ot" ←
16:38:59 <PatH> where are the alternatives?
Patrick Hayes: where are the alternatives? ←
16:39:07 <PatH> OK
Patrick Hayes: OK ←
16:39:10 <cygri> http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/wiki/Meetings:Telecon2013.12.18#ISSUE-148:_IRIs_do_.2Anot.2A_always_denote_the_same_resource
Richard Cyganiak: ISSUE-148:_IRIs_do_.2Anot.2A_always_denote_the_same_resource">http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/wiki/Meetings:Telecon2013.12.18#ISSUE-148:_IRIs_do_.2Anot.2A_always_denote_the_same_resource ←
16:39:14 <markus> IRIs have global scope by definition. Thus, two different appearances of an IRI denote the same resource. RDF is based on this principle and violations of it might lead to inconsistencies or interoperability problems.
Markus Lanthaler: IRIs have global scope by definition. Thus, two different appearances of an IRI denote the same resource. RDF is based on this principle and violations of it might lead to inconsistencies or interoperability problems. ←
16:39:14 <TallTed> option 1 - "IRIs have global scope by definition. Thus, two different appearances of an IRI denote the same resource. RDF is based on this principle and violations of it might lead to inconsistencies or interoperability problems."
option 1 - "IRIs have global scope by definition. Thus, two different appearances of an IRI denote the same resource. RDF is based on this principle and violations of it might lead to inconsistencies or interoperability problems." ←
16:39:16 <markus> vs.
Markus Lanthaler: vs. ←
16:39:20 <markus> By design, IRIs have global scope. Thus, two different appearances of an IRI denote the same resource. Violating this principle constitutes an IRI collision [WEBARCH].
Markus Lanthaler: By design, IRIs have global scope. Thus, two different appearances of an IRI denote the same resource. Violating this principle constitutes an IRI collision [WEBARCH]. ←
16:39:23 <TallTed> option 2 - "By design, IRIs have global scope. Thus, two different appearances of an IRI denote the same resource. Violating this principle constitutes an IRI collision [WEBARCH]."
option 2 - "By design, IRIs have global scope. Thus, two different appearances of an IRI denote the same resource. Violating this principle constitutes an IRI collision [WEBARCH]." ←
16:39:57 <ericP> pref 1 'cause it's stronger
Eric Prud'hommeaux: pref 1 'cause it's stronger ←
16:40:02 <pfps> I don't care - either are fine by me
Peter Patel-Schneider: I don't care - either are fine by me ←
16:40:08 <cygri> [WEBARCH] would be: http://www.w3.org/TR/webarch/#URI-collision
Richard Cyganiak: [WEBARCH] would be: http://www.w3.org/TR/webarch/#URI-collision ←
16:40:19 <ericP> 1
16:40:19 <cygri> 2
16:40:20 <davidwood> People lie. People make mistakes. This is RDF 1999.
David Wood: People lie. People make mistakes. This is RDF 1999. ←
16:40:22 <markus> 1
16:40:23 <PatH> 2
Patrick Hayes: 2 ←
16:40:25 <pfps> 1.5
Peter Patel-Schneider: 1.5 ←
16:40:26 <yvesr> 2
Yves Raimond: 2 ←
16:40:34 <gavinc> don't care.
Gavin Carothers: don't care. ←
16:40:38 <AZ> 2
16:40:39 <gkellogg> 1=2
Gregg Kellogg: 1=2 ←
16:40:39 <zwu2> 1
16:40:47 <Arnaud> 2
Arnaud Le Hors: 2 ←
16:40:53 <TallTed> 1
1 ←
16:41:01 <davidwood> 2
David Wood: 2 ←
16:41:02 <ivan> 2
Ivan Herman: 2 ←
16:41:07 <AndyS> 2 - preder ref to WEBARCH
Andy Seaborne: 2 - preder ref to WEBARCH ←
16:41:08 <ericP> 2 has it
Eric Prud'hommeaux: 2 has it ←
16:41:11 <Souri> 2
Souripriya Das: 2 ←
16:41:20 <davidwood> 2
David Wood: 2 ←
16:41:24 <davidwood> :)
David Wood: :) ←
16:42:31 <PatH> No need to solicit an objection. They will come.
Patrick Hayes: No need to solicit an objection. They will come. ←
16:42:40 <TallTed> PROPOSED: Resolve ISSUE-148 by changing the "IRIs have global scope" bullet point in section 1.3 in Concepts to "By design, IRIs have global scope. Thus, two different appearances of an IRI denote the same resource. Violating this principle constitutes an IRI collision [WEBARCH]." http://www.w3.org/TR/webarch/#URI-collision
PROPOSED: Resolve ISSUE-148 by changing the "IRIs have global scope" bullet point in section 1.3 in Concepts to "By design, IRIs have global scope. Thus, two different appearances of an IRI denote the same resource. Violating this principle constitutes an IRI collision [WEBARCH]." http://www.w3.org/TR/webarch/#URI-collision ←
16:42:45 <TallTed> ack TallTed
ack TallTed ←
16:42:50 <ivan> +1
Ivan Herman: +1 ←
16:43:06 <PatH> +1 to that remark
Patrick Hayes: +1 to that remark ←
16:43:09 <pfps> +1 and allow normal wordsmithing edits
Peter Patel-Schneider: +1 and allow normal wordsmithing edits ←
16:43:12 <davidwood> +1
David Wood: +1 ←
16:43:12 <cygri> +1
Richard Cyganiak: +1 ←
16:43:12 <Guus> +1
Guus Schreiber: +1 ←
16:43:13 <gavinc> +0
Gavin Carothers: +0 ←
16:43:16 <Souri> +1
Souripriya Das: +1 ←
16:43:16 <markus> +0
Markus Lanthaler: +0 ←
16:43:19 <zwu2> +0
16:43:20 <AndyS> +0
Andy Seaborne: +0 ←
16:43:21 <PatH> +1 to the proposal as well.
Patrick Hayes: +1 to the proposal as well. ←
16:43:23 <Arnaud> +1
Arnaud Le Hors: +1 ←
16:43:23 <ericP> A+1
Eric Prud'hommeaux: A+1 ←
16:43:23 <AZ> +1
Antoine Zimmermann: +1 ←
16:43:24 <TallTed> +0.1
+0.1 ←
16:43:25 <gkellogg> _+1
Gregg Kellogg: _+1 ←
16:43:38 <TallTed> RESOLVED: Resolve ISSUE-148 by changing the "IRIs have global scope" bullet point in section 1.3 in Concepts to "By design, IRIs have global scope. Thus, two different appearances of an IRI denote the same resource. Violating this principle constitutes an IRI collision [WEBARCH]." http://www.w3.org/TR/webarch/#URI-collision
RESOLVED: Resolve ISSUE-148 by changing the "IRIs have global scope" bullet point in section 1.3 in Concepts to "By design, IRIs have global scope. Thus, two different appearances of an IRI denote the same resource. Violating this principle constitutes an IRI collision [WEBARCH]." http://www.w3.org/TR/webarch/#URI-collision ←
16:43:47 <PatH> _+1 ??
Patrick Hayes: +1 ?? ←
16:44:03 <gkellogg> s/_+1/+1/
16:44:13 <TallTed> action: Guus to inform commenter of resolution of issue-148
ACTION: Guus to inform commenter of resolution of ISSUE-148 ←
16:44:13 <trackbot> Created ACTION-336 - Inform commenter of resolution of issue-148 [on Guus Schreiber - due 2013-12-25].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-336 - Inform commenter of resolution of ISSUE-148 [on Guus Schreiber - due 2013-12-25]. ←
16:44:31 <TallTed> issue;165?
issue;165? ←
16:44:34 <TallTed> issue-165?
16:44:34 <trackbot> issue-165 -- CR Comment: datatype map -- open
Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-165 -- CR Comment: datatype map -- open ←
16:44:34 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/track/issues/165
Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/track/issues/165 ←
16:44:45 <TallTed> PROPOSED: the WG resolves to close this issue, with the rationale stated in the last response to the commenter (http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-comments/2013Dec/0098.html), noting the objection from the commenter in the Transition Request.
PROPOSED: the WG resolves to close this issue, with the rationale stated in the last response to the commenter (http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-comments/2013Dec/0098.html), noting the objection from the commenter in the Transition Request. ←
16:44:59 <pfps> +1
16:45:05 <cygri> q+
Richard Cyganiak: q+ ←
16:45:10 <AZ> q+
Antoine Zimmermann: q+ ←
16:45:42 <cygri> ack me
Richard Cyganiak: ack me ←
16:45:51 <Guus> ack AZ
Guus Schreiber: ack AZ ←
16:45:52 <TallTed> cygri: what are consequences of formal objection at this stage?
Richard Cyganiak: what are consequences of formal objection at this stage? ←
16:46:19 <TallTed> ivan: director must be convinced to over-ride objection
Ivan Herman: director must be convinced to over-ride objection ←
16:46:48 <pfps> q+
16:47:20 <PatH> I think "formal objection" =/= "objection" (does that make sense)?
Patrick Hayes: I think "formal objection" =/= "objection" (does that make sense)? ←
16:47:33 <pfps> q-
16:48:15 <Guus> ack pfps
Guus Schreiber: ack pfps ←
16:48:45 <pfps> I had thought that WG members could change their mind if new information comes to light, and it seems to me that the information from Michael could be considered to be new information of a sort.
Peter Patel-Schneider: I had thought that WG members could change their mind if new information comes to light, and it seems to me that the information from Michael could be considered to be new information of a sort. ←
16:48:51 <gavinc> There is of yet NOT a formal objection
Gavin Carothers: There is of yet NOT a formal objection ←
16:49:01 <gavinc> there is a statement that says there will be one
Gavin Carothers: there is a statement that says there will be one ←
16:50:11 <pfps> +1 (again)
Peter Patel-Schneider: +1 (again) ←
16:50:14 <markus> +1
Markus Lanthaler: +1 ←
16:50:15 <AndyS> +1
Andy Seaborne: +1 ←
16:50:15 <Zakim> -cygri
Zakim IRC Bot: -cygri ←
16:50:18 <PatH> +1
Patrick Hayes: +1 ←
16:50:18 <TallTed> +1
+1 ←
16:50:19 <gkellogg> +1
Gregg Kellogg: +1 ←
16:50:19 <ivan> +1
Ivan Herman: +1 ←
16:50:19 <AZ> -1
Antoine Zimmermann: -1 ←
16:50:20 <gavinc> +1
Gavin Carothers: +1 ←
16:50:23 <ericP> +1+1
Eric Prud'hommeaux: +1+1 ←
16:50:23 <sandro> +1
Sandro Hawke: +1 ←
16:50:24 <cygri> +1
Richard Cyganiak: +1 ←
16:50:25 <zwu2> +1
16:50:25 <davidwood> +1
David Wood: +1 ←
16:50:29 <Guus> +1
Guus Schreiber: +1 ←
16:50:30 <yvesr> +1
Yves Raimond: +1 ←
16:50:37 <Zakim> +??P0
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P0 ←
16:50:38 <AZ> (agree to move forward and close the issue, but disagree with the rationale)
Antoine Zimmermann: (agree to move forward and close the issue, but disagree with the rationale) ←
16:50:42 <cygri> zakim, ??P0 is me
Richard Cyganiak: zakim, ??P0 is me ←
16:50:42 <Zakim> +cygri; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +cygri; got it ←
16:50:53 <Souri> +1
Souripriya Das: +1 ←
16:50:54 <TallTed> RESOLVED: the WG resolves to close this issue, with the rationale stated in the last response to the commenter (http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-comments/2013Dec/0098.html), noting the objection from the commenter in the Transition Request, over objection of AZ
RESOLVED: the WG resolves to close this issue, with the rationale stated in the last response to the commenter (http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-comments/2013Dec/0098.html), noting the objection from the commenter in the Transition Request, over objection of AZ ←
16:51:22 <TallTed> TOPIC: Marking rdf:HTML and rdf:XMLLiteral as non-normative?!
16:52:16 <TallTed> PROPOSAL: to accept the resolution text in http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-wg/2013Dec/0283.html
PROPOSED: to accept the resolution text in http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-wg/2013Dec/0283.html ←
16:52:51 <Guus> q?
Guus Schreiber: q? ←
16:52:52 <sandro> q+
Sandro Hawke: q+ ←
16:52:53 <pfps> I agree with Guus's proposal as being the best way forward giving the current circumstances.
Peter Patel-Schneider: I agree with Guus's proposal as being the best way forward giving the current circumstances. ←
16:53:19 <markus> q+
Markus Lanthaler: q+ ←
16:53:22 <cygri> q+
Richard Cyganiak: q+ ←
16:53:39 <Guus> ack markus
Guus Schreiber: ack markus ←
16:53:43 <ivan> ack sandro
Ivan Herman: ack sandro ←
16:53:45 <sandro> q-
Sandro Hawke: q- ←
16:53:53 <TallTed> sandro: we should be very clear about the decision space we're working in...
Sandro Hawke: we should be very clear about the decision space we're working in... ←
16:54:13 <Guus> ack cyri
Guus Schreiber: ack cyri ←
16:54:25 <Guus> ack cygri
Guus Schreiber: ack cygri ←
16:54:32 <cygri> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-wg/2013Dec/0267.html
Richard Cyganiak: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-wg/2013Dec/0267.html ←
16:55:09 <TallTed> scribenick: gavinc
(Scribe set to Gavin Carothers)
16:56:29 <gavinc> cygri: I very much want to see the URIs mentioned in this section one way or another. Trying to keep the datatypes normative by peppering notes in the relevant sections.
Richard Cyganiak: I very much want to see the URIs mentioned in this section one way or another. Trying to keep the datatypes normative by peppering notes in the relevant sections. ←
16:56:52 <gavinc> markus: The whole thing is about removing a MUST statement?
Markus Lanthaler: The whole thing is about removing a MUST statement? ←
16:57:34 <gavinc> cygri: I'd like to see the notes mentioning WHY they have to be normative. Alert the readers to the existence of the datatypes.
Richard Cyganiak: I'd like to see the notes mentioning WHY they have to be normative. Alert the readers to the existence of the datatypes. ←
16:57:41 <gavinc> markus: Doesn't have to be the MUST statement in 5.4
Markus Lanthaler: Doesn't have to be the MUST statement in 5.4 ←
16:58:25 <gavinc> cygri: See email http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-wg/2013Dec/0267.html showed my preferred way of dealing with it but other ways could work.
Richard Cyganiak: See email http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-wg/2013Dec/0267.html showed my preferred way of dealing with it but other ways could work. ←
16:58:50 <PatH> Seems to me that this owuld be us saying, whatever the other WG does, we want RDF to treat it as normative.
Patrick Hayes: Seems to me that this owuld be us saying, whatever the other WG does, we want RDF to treat it as normative. ←
16:59:50 <ericP> ack me
Eric Prud'hommeaux: ack me ←
17:00:01 <gavinc> sandro: Try to explain what we actually mean, and leave to the Directors meeting figuring out how to do that
Sandro Hawke: Try to explain what we actually mean, and leave to the Directors meeting figuring out how to do that ←
17:00:04 <PatH> What is the future tense of "normative"?
Patrick Hayes: What is the future tense of "normative"? ←
17:00:09 <ericP> q+ to ask whether "normative" would require tests
Eric Prud'hommeaux: q+ to ask whether "normative" would require tests ←
17:00:21 <gavinc> +q
+q ←
17:01:18 <gavinc> ericP: There are no tests, how would that work?
Eric Prud'hommeaux: There are no tests, how would that work? ←
17:01:23 <gavinc> markus: the features are optional anyway
Markus Lanthaler: the features are optional anyway ←
17:01:37 <Guus> ack ericP
Guus Schreiber: ack ericP ←
17:01:38 <Zakim> ericP, you wanted to ask whether "normative" would require tests
Zakim IRC Bot: ericP, you wanted to ask whether "normative" would require tests ←
17:01:45 <Guus> ack gavinc
Guus Schreiber: ack gavinc ←
17:01:58 <ericP> gavinc: how does everything else that refs DOM4 deal with this?
Gavin Carothers: how does everything else that refs DOM4 deal with this? [ Scribe Assist by Eric Prud'hommeaux ] ←
17:02:05 <ericP> ... we can't be the first to have this problem
Eric Prud'hommeaux: ... we can't be the first to have this problem ←
17:02:10 <ericP> ack me
Eric Prud'hommeaux: ack me ←
17:02:55 <PatH> So, this is what a tar-pit feels like.
Patrick Hayes: So, this is what a tar-pit feels like. ←
17:03:05 <gavinc> Guus: want to have a resolution on record
Guus Schreiber: want to have a resolution on record ←
17:03:26 <gavinc> ... can we add to the resolution something about agreeing during transition meeting?
... can we add to the resolution something about agreeing during transition meeting? ←
17:03:33 <AZ> isn't it similar to having OWL 2 become a rec before XSD 1.1 became rec?
Antoine Zimmermann: isn't it similar to having OWL 2 become a rec before XSD 1.1 became rec? ←
17:03:52 <Guus> PROPOSED: to accept the resolution text in http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-wg/2013Dec/0283.html.
PROPOSED: to accept the resolution text in http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-wg/2013Dec/0283.html. ←
17:03:59 <PatH> AZ, what did they do?
Patrick Hayes: AZ, what did they do? ←
17:04:05 <ericP> +1 to delegating to the chairs and editors the resolution of refs to DOM4
Eric Prud'hommeaux: +1 to delegating to the chairs and editors the resolution of refs to DOM4 ←
17:04:10 <gavinc> AZ, no this is the left over debris from XHTML2 :P
AZ, no this is the left over debris from XHTML2 :P ←
17:04:34 <cygri> +1
Richard Cyganiak: +1 ←
17:04:46 <sandro> PROPOSED: to accept the resolution text in http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-wg/2013Dec/0283.html but delegate to the chairs and editors the authority to change on this matter
PROPOSED: to accept the resolution text in http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-wg/2013Dec/0283.html but delegate to the chairs and editors the authority to change on this matter ←
17:05:00 <sandro> PROPOSED: to accept the resolution text in http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-wg/2013Dec/0283.html but delegate to the chairs and editors (of RDF Concepts) the authority to change on this matter
PROPOSED: to accept the resolution text in http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-wg/2013Dec/0283.html but delegate to the chairs and editors (of RDF Concepts) the authority to change on this matter ←
17:05:06 <cygri> +1
Richard Cyganiak: +1 ←
17:05:07 <PatH> +1
Patrick Hayes: +1 ←
17:05:11 <gavinc> +1
+1 ←
17:05:11 <sandro> +1
Sandro Hawke: +1 ←
17:05:12 <yvesr> +1
Yves Raimond: +1 ←
17:05:12 <davidwood> +1
David Wood: +1 ←
17:05:24 <AZ> +1
Antoine Zimmermann: +1 ←
17:05:24 <ivan> +1
Ivan Herman: +1 ←
17:05:24 <gkellogg> +1
Gregg Kellogg: +1 ←
17:05:25 <TallTed> +1
Ted Thibodeau: +1 ←
17:05:25 <zwu2> +1
17:05:33 <PatH> AZ, tnx.
Patrick Hayes: AZ, tnx. ←
17:05:33 <sandro> AZ, we do NOT want to do that again. It was a nightmare.
Sandro Hawke: AZ, we do NOT want to do that again. It was a nightmare. ←
17:05:44 <markus> -0.5 (I'm not happy with the "implementation-dependent" text)
Markus Lanthaler: -0.5 (I'm not happy with the "implementation-dependent" text) ←
17:05:44 <Guus> +1
Guus Schreiber: +1 ←
17:05:56 <davidwood> It is good to have cyri back just in time for this issue.
David Wood: It is good to have cyri back just in time for this issue. ←
17:06:02 <Zakim> -cygri
Zakim IRC Bot: -cygri ←
17:06:06 <davidwood> oops :)
David Wood: oops :) ←
17:06:16 <PatH> FOFL
Patrick Hayes: FOFL ←
17:06:17 <sandro> RESOLVED: to accept the resolution text in http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-wg/2013Dec/0283.html but delegate to the chairs and editors (of RDF Concepts) the authority to change on this matter
RESOLVED: to accept the resolution text in http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-wg/2013Dec/0283.html but delegate to the chairs and editors (of RDF Concepts) the authority to change on this matter ←
17:06:28 <cygri> .
17:06:54 <gavinc> Guus: Did we agree on References between Concepts and Semantics?
Guus Schreiber: Did we agree on References between Concepts and Semantics? ←
17:07:05 <gavinc> markus: Well, no one is complaining loudly anymore
Markus Lanthaler: Well, no one is complaining loudly anymore ←
17:07:11 <Zakim> +??P85
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P85 ←
17:07:17 <cygri> zakim, ??P85 is me
Richard Cyganiak: zakim, ??P85 is me ←
17:07:17 <Zakim> +cygri; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +cygri; got it ←
17:07:29 <gavinc> PROPOSED: Make reference from Concepts to Semantics non-normative
PROPOSED: Make reference from Concepts to Semantics non-normative ←
17:07:42 <cygri> +1
Richard Cyganiak: +1 ←
17:07:46 <markus> +1
Markus Lanthaler: +1 ←
17:07:47 <AZ> +1
Antoine Zimmermann: +1 ←
17:07:50 <davidwood> I have no objection
David Wood: I have no objection ←
17:07:54 <davidwood> +1
David Wood: +1 ←
17:07:56 <gkellogg> +1
Gregg Kellogg: +1 ←
17:08:00 <yvesr> +1
Yves Raimond: +1 ←
17:08:01 <gavinc> +1 Concepts does not require passing the semantics test cases
+1 Concepts does not require passing the semantics test cases ←
17:08:03 <AndyS> 0 (AKA it seems strange to me)
Andy Seaborne: 0 (AKA it seems strange to me) ←
17:08:18 <ivan> 0
Ivan Herman: 0 ←
17:08:25 <Arnaud> 0
Arnaud Le Hors: 0 ←
17:08:27 <Guus> )
Guus Schreiber: ) ←
17:08:29 <PatH> 0
Patrick Hayes: 0 ←
17:08:30 <zwu2> 1
17:08:35 <Guus> 0
Guus Schreiber: 0 ←
17:08:41 <TallTed> +1
Ted Thibodeau: +1 ←
17:08:41 <ericP> +1
Eric Prud'hommeaux: +1 ←
17:08:48 <gavinc> RESOLVED: Make reference from Concepts to Semantics non-normative
RESOLVED: Make reference from Concepts to Semantics non-normative ←
17:09:11 <Guus> PROPOSED: to accept the resolution text in http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-wg/2013Dec/0283.html.
PROPOSED: to accept the resolution text in http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-wg/2013Dec/0283.html. ←
17:09:12 <gavinc> PROPOSED: to request the Director to advance Concepts and Semantics to Proposed Recommendation.
PROPOSED: to request the Director to advance Concepts and Semantics to Proposed Recommendation. ←
17:09:17 <ericP> +1
Eric Prud'hommeaux: +1 ←
17:09:18 <davidwood> +1
David Wood: +1 ←
17:09:19 <markus> +1
Markus Lanthaler: +1 ←
17:09:19 <ivan> =1
Ivan Herman: =1 ←
17:09:21 <AndyS> +1
Andy Seaborne: +1 ←
17:09:22 <ivan> +1
Ivan Herman: +1 ←
17:09:23 <Souri> +1
Souripriya Das: +1 ←
17:09:23 <gavinc> +1
+1 ←
17:09:24 <gkellogg> +1
Gregg Kellogg: +1 ←
17:09:26 <TallTed> +1
Ted Thibodeau: +1 ←
17:09:27 <Arnaud> +1
Arnaud Le Hors: +1 ←
17:09:31 <cygri> +1.1
Richard Cyganiak: +1.1 ←
17:09:33 <PatH> +1
Patrick Hayes: +1 ←
17:09:35 <zwu2> +1
17:09:42 <sandro> +1
Sandro Hawke: +1 ←
17:09:46 <yvesr> +1
Yves Raimond: +1 ←
17:09:53 <gavinc> RESOLVED: to request the Director to advance Concepts and Semantics to Proposed Recommendation
RESOLVED: to request the Director to advance Concepts and Semantics to Proposed Recommendation ←
17:09:53 <PatH> Was that two negative votes form Ivan or just a shift wrror?
Patrick Hayes: Was that two negative votes form Ivan or just a shift wrror? ←
17:10:09 <PatH> :)
Patrick Hayes: :) ←
17:10:26 <gavinc> Topic: RDF Schema
17:10:33 <gavinc> Guus: Already voted on it last week
Guus Schreiber: Already voted on it last week ←
17:11:16 <gavinc> ... only thing to do is to remove "This section is non-normative." from rdf:HTML and rdf:XMLLiteral
... only thing to do is to remove "This section is non-normative." from rdf:HTML and rdf:XMLLiteral ←
17:11:24 <gavinc> topic: RDF/XML
17:11:35 <gavinc> Guus: There is an editors draft
Guus Schreiber: There is an editors draft ←
17:11:43 <gavinc> ... it has half of the changes from Ivan's review
... it has half of the changes from Ivan's review ←
17:12:00 <gavinc> most notable change is to XMLLiteral
most notable change is to XMLLiteral ←
17:12:15 <gavinc> ... gavinc should check if I did it the right way
... gavinc should check if I did it the right way ←
17:12:28 <gavinc> https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/rdf/raw-file/default/rdf-xml/index.html#parseTypeLiteralPropertyElt
https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/rdf/raw-file/default/rdf-xml/index.html#parseTypeLiteralPropertyElt ←
17:12:51 <gkellogg> q+
Gregg Kellogg: q+ ←
17:13:06 <Guus> ack gkellogg
Guus Schreiber: ack gkellogg ←
17:13:36 <ericP> q+ to ask if these impls are based on the serialize function
Eric Prud'hommeaux: q+ to ask if these impls are based on the serialize function ←
17:16:40 <gavinc> ACTION gkellogg find some test cases for https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/rdf/raw-file/default/rdf-xml/index.html#parseTypeLiteralPropertyElt
ACTION gkellogg find some test cases for https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/rdf/raw-file/default/rdf-xml/index.html#parseTypeLiteralPropertyElt ←
17:16:40 <trackbot> Created ACTION-337 - Find some test cases for https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/rdf/raw-file/default/rdf-xml/index.html#parsetypeliteralpropertyelt [on Gregg Kellogg - due 2013-12-25].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-337 - Find some test cases for https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/rdf/raw-file/default/rdf-xml/index.html#parsetypeliteralpropertyelt [on Gregg Kellogg - due 2013-12-25]. ←
17:16:59 <ericP> q-
Eric Prud'hommeaux: q- ←
17:17:21 <gavinc> PROPOSED: to request the Director to advance RDF 1.1 XML Syntax to Proposed Edited Recommendation.
PROPOSED: to request the Director to advance RDF 1.1 XML Syntax to Proposed Edited Recommendation. ←
17:17:26 <gkellogg> +1
Gregg Kellogg: +1 ←
17:17:27 <PatH> +1
Patrick Hayes: +1 ←
17:17:28 <gavinc> +1
+1 ←
17:17:28 <TallTed> +1
Ted Thibodeau: +1 ←
17:17:28 <AndyS> +0.9
Andy Seaborne: +0.9 ←
17:17:28 <yvesr> +1
Yves Raimond: +1 ←
17:17:29 <Arnaud> +1
Arnaud Le Hors: +1 ←
17:17:29 <AZ> +1
Antoine Zimmermann: +1 ←
17:17:29 <ivan> +1
Ivan Herman: +1 ←
17:17:32 <zwu2> +1
17:17:34 <Souri> +1
Souripriya Das: +1 ←
17:17:43 <Guus> +1
Guus Schreiber: +1 ←
17:17:44 <davidwood> +1
David Wood: +1 ←
17:17:47 <ericP> it's ok. i was just wondering if readers of the serialize() spec actually understood the XQuery or XSLT semantics which back it up
Eric Prud'hommeaux: it's ok. i was just wondering if readers of the serialize() spec actually understood the XQuery or XSLT semantics which back it up ←
17:17:50 <cygri> +1
Richard Cyganiak: +1 ←
17:17:52 <ericP> +1
Eric Prud'hommeaux: +1 ←
17:17:55 <markus> +0.9 (let it die :-)
Markus Lanthaler: +0.9 (let it die :-) ←
17:18:22 <gavinc> ericP, more likely then understanding infoset node sets and c14n
ericP, more likely then understanding infoset node sets and c14n ←
17:18:29 <ericP> ack me
Eric Prud'hommeaux: ack me ←
17:21:30 <Guus> PROPOSED: the WG decides to keep the Turtle features at risk: The addition of sparqlPrefix and sparqlBase which allow for using SPARQL style BASE and PREFIX directives in a Turtle document.
PROPOSED: the WG decides to keep the Turtle features at risk: The addition of sparqlPrefix and sparqlBase which allow for using SPARQL style BASE and PREFIX directives in a Turtle document. ←
17:21:40 <ericP> http://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/rdf-wg/2013-05-29#Turtle
Eric Prud'hommeaux: http://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/rdf-wg/2013-05-29#Turtle ←
17:22:29 <ericP> [[
Eric Prud'hommeaux: [[ ←
17:22:33 <ericP> RESOLVED: Allow PREFIX and BASE in Turtle, and thus keep the feature in the document. This is based on the poll results at https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/46168/at-sign/results ←
RESOLVED: Allow PREFIX and BASE in Turtle, and thus keep the feature in the document. This is based on the poll results at https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/46168/at-sign/results ← ←
17:22:36 <PatH> w3c.org is feeling tired.
Patrick Hayes: w3c.org is feeling tired. ←
17:22:36 <ericP> ]]
Eric Prud'hommeaux: ]] ←
17:22:37 <Zakim> -cygri
Zakim IRC Bot: -cygri ←
17:22:44 <ericP> ack me
Eric Prud'hommeaux: ack me ←
17:22:54 <Zakim> +??P30
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P30 ←
17:23:00 <cygri> zakim, ??P30 is me
Richard Cyganiak: zakim, ??P30 is me ←
17:23:00 <Zakim> +cygri; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +cygri; got it ←
17:23:22 <ericP> ack me
Eric Prud'hommeaux: ack me ←
17:23:35 <PatH> Seems to have come back up now.
Patrick Hayes: Seems to have come back up now. ←
17:24:04 <gavinc> topic: Open issues (other than CR comments)
17:24:49 <gavinc> Guus: We did ISSUE-78 in primer. Making clear limitations, etc
Guus Schreiber: We did ISSUE-78 in primer. Making clear limitations, etc ←
17:25:00 <gavinc> ... marking resolved.
... marking resolved. ←
17:25:21 <cygri> q+
Richard Cyganiak: q+ ←
17:25:48 <gavinc> ... ISSUE-102 on primer now
17:26:31 <gavinc> cygri: too late to put in Concepts or RDF Schema, putting it in the primmer has limited benefit. Defining the term well formed list would have been good, but we didn't do it.
Richard Cyganiak: too late to put in Concepts or RDF Schema, putting it in the primmer has limited benefit. Defining the term well formed list would have been good, but we didn't do it. ←
17:26:34 <ivan> ack cygri
Ivan Herman: ack cygri ←
17:26:38 <gavinc> ... just close with a No.
... just close with a No. ←
17:27:02 <cygri> PROPOSAL: Close ISSUE-102 doing nothing as the WG is out of time.
PROPOSED: Close ISSUE-102 doing nothing as the WG is out of time. ←
17:27:04 <pfps> +1
17:27:09 <gavinc> +1
+1 ←
17:27:11 <PatH> +1
Patrick Hayes: +1 ←
17:27:15 <davidwood> +1
David Wood: +1 ←
17:27:16 <Arnaud> +1
Arnaud Le Hors: +1 ←
17:27:18 <ericP> +0 (have done no research)
Eric Prud'hommeaux: +0 (have done no research) ←
17:27:20 <sandro> +0 agreed we're out of time; sad we did nothing
Sandro Hawke: +0 agreed we're out of time; sad we did nothing ←
17:27:22 <yvesr> +0
Yves Raimond: +0 ←
17:27:22 <TallTed> +0
Ted Thibodeau: +0 ←
17:27:23 <zwu2> +1
17:27:28 <cygri> +0
Richard Cyganiak: +0 ←
17:27:33 <AZ> +1
Antoine Zimmermann: +1 ←
17:27:35 <ivan> 0
Ivan Herman: 0 ←
17:27:38 <gavinc> RESOLVED: Close ISSUE-102 doing nothing as the WG is out of time
RESOLVED: Close ISSUE-102 doing nothing as the WG is out of time ←
17:27:42 <gkellogg> +1
Gregg Kellogg: +1 ←
17:28:11 <ericP> ack me
Eric Prud'hommeaux: ack me ←
17:28:34 <gavinc> ericP: if we say TriG is the One
Eric Prud'hommeaux: if we say TriG is the One ←
17:28:52 <gavinc> Guus: Leaving open issue-138
Guus Schreiber: Leaving open ISSUE-138 ←
17:29:01 <PatH> There is a widespread assumption that RDF/XML is priviledged
Patrick Hayes: There is a widespread assumption that RDF/XML is priviledged ←
17:29:10 <pfps> ... and cursed
Peter Patel-Schneider: ... and cursed ←
17:29:29 <ivan> rrsagent, draft minutes
Ivan Herman: rrsagent, draft minutes ←
17:29:29 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/12/18-rdf-wg-minutes.html ivan
RRSAgent IRC Bot: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/12/18-rdf-wg-minutes.html ivan ←
17:29:32 <gavinc> topic: AOB
17:29:44 <gavinc> 15 January?
15 January? ←
17:29:45 <pfps> 15 Jan is fine by me
Peter Patel-Schneider: 15 Jan is fine by me ←
17:29:50 <davidwood> ok by me
David Wood: ok by me ←
17:29:52 <AZ> ok
Antoine Zimmermann: ok ←
17:29:53 <PatH> Fine
Patrick Hayes: Fine ←
17:29:56 <gavinc> okay
okay ←
17:30:00 <yvesr> ok
Yves Raimond: ok ←
17:30:04 <gavinc> ... every other week
... every other week ←
17:30:05 <Arnaud> fine with me
Arnaud Le Hors: fine with me ←
17:30:07 <davidwood> Bi-weekly schedule from 15 Jan
David Wood: Bi-weekly schedule from 15 Jan ←
17:30:14 <Arnaud> good job!
Arnaud Le Hors: good job! ←
17:30:20 <gavinc> Guus: Adjourned!
Guus Schreiber: Adjourned! ←
17:30:34 <ericP> RESOLVED: next meeting 15 Jan, and every other week following
RESOLVED: next meeting 15 Jan, and every other week following ←
17:30:35 <PatH> Consensus (n): The state of exhaustion where one no longer cares what is decided.
Patrick Hayes: Consensus (n): The state of exhaustion where one no longer cares what is decided. ←
17:30:38 <Zakim> -Souri
Zakim IRC Bot: -Souri ←
17:30:39 <Zakim> -TallTed
Zakim IRC Bot: -TallTed ←
17:30:47 <Zakim> -Arnaud
Zakim IRC Bot: -Arnaud ←
17:30:48 <Zakim> -pfps
Zakim IRC Bot: -pfps ←
17:30:48 <Zakim> -yvesr
Zakim IRC Bot: -yvesr ←
17:30:50 <Zakim> -David_Wood
Zakim IRC Bot: -David_Wood ←
17:30:51 <Zakim> -Sandro
Zakim IRC Bot: -Sandro ←
17:30:52 <PatH> Happy holidays, everyone.
Patrick Hayes: Happy holidays, everyone. ←
17:30:53 <Zakim> -zwu2
Zakim IRC Bot: -zwu2 ←
17:30:54 <AndyS> Bye all!
Andy Seaborne: Bye all! ←
17:30:54 <Zakim> -Ivan
Zakim IRC Bot: -Ivan ←
17:30:54 <Zakim> -cygri
Zakim IRC Bot: -cygri ←
17:30:56 <Zakim> -markus
Zakim IRC Bot: -markus ←
17:30:58 <Zakim> -ericP
Zakim IRC Bot: -ericP ←
17:30:58 <Zakim> -GavinC
Zakim IRC Bot: -GavinC ←
17:30:58 <Zakim> -AZ
Zakim IRC Bot: -AZ ←
17:31:00 <Zakim> -gkellogg
Zakim IRC Bot: -gkellogg ←
17:31:04 <AndyS> ADJOURNED
Andy Seaborne: ADJOURNED ←
17:31:09 <Zakim> -Guus_Schreiber
Zakim IRC Bot: -Guus_Schreiber ←
17:31:10 <Zakim> -PatH
Zakim IRC Bot: -PatH ←
17:31:14 <Guus> trackbot, end meeting
Guus Schreiber: trackbot, end meeting ←
17:31:14 <trackbot> Zakim, list attendees
Trackbot IRC Bot: Zakim, list attendees ←
17:31:14 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been AndyS, Guus_Schreiber, GavinC, TallTed, Sandro, gkellogg, Ivan, pfps, Arnaud, yvesr, cygri, AZ, David_Wood, PatH, ericP, zwu2, markus,
Zakim IRC Bot: As of this point the attendees have been AndyS, Guus_Schreiber, GavinC, TallTed, Sandro, gkellogg, Ivan, pfps, Arnaud, yvesr, cygri, AZ, David_Wood, PatH, ericP, zwu2, markus, ←
17:31:17 <Zakim> ... manu, Souri
Zakim IRC Bot: ... manu, Souri ←
17:31:17 <Zakim> -AndyS
Zakim IRC Bot: -AndyS ←
17:31:17 <Zakim> SW_RDFWG()11:00AM has ended
Zakim IRC Bot: SW_RDFWG()11:00AM has ended ←
17:31:17 <Zakim> Attendees were AndyS, Guus_Schreiber, GavinC, TallTed, Sandro, gkellogg, Ivan, pfps, Arnaud, yvesr, cygri, AZ, David_Wood, PatH, ericP, zwu2, markus, manu, Souri
Zakim IRC Bot: Attendees were AndyS, Guus_Schreiber, GavinC, TallTed, Sandro, gkellogg, Ivan, pfps, Arnaud, yvesr, cygri, AZ, David_Wood, PatH, ericP, zwu2, markus, manu, Souri ←
17:31:22 <trackbot> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
Trackbot IRC Bot: RRSAgent, please draft minutes ←
17:31:22 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/12/18-rdf-wg-minutes.html trackbot
RRSAgent IRC Bot: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/12/18-rdf-wg-minutes.html trackbot ←
17:31:23 <trackbot> RRSAgent, bye
Trackbot IRC Bot: RRSAgent, bye ←
17:31:23 <RRSAgent> I see 2 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2013/12/18-rdf-wg-actions.rdf :
RRSAgent IRC Bot: I see 2 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2013/12/18-rdf-wg-actions.rdf : ←
17:31:23 <RRSAgent> ACTION: gkellogg to update manifest and regenerate implementation report [1]
ACTION: gkellogg to update manifest and regenerate implementation report [1] ←
17:31:23 <RRSAgent> recorded in http://www.w3.org/2013/12/18-rdf-wg-irc#T16-24-42-1
RRSAgent IRC Bot: recorded in http://www.w3.org/2013/12/18-rdf-wg-irc#T16-24-42-1 ←
17:31:23 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Guus to inform commenter of resolution of issue-148 [2]
ACTION: Guus to inform commenter of resolution of ISSUE-148 [2] ←
17:31:23 <RRSAgent> recorded in http://www.w3.org/2013/12/18-rdf-wg-irc#T16-44-13
RRSAgent IRC Bot: recorded in http://www.w3.org/2013/12/18-rdf-wg-irc#T16-44-13 ←
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