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14:41:49 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be 73394
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14:41:49 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see SW_RDFWG()11:00AM scheduled to start in 19 minutes
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14:41:50 <trackbot> Meeting: RDF Working Group Teleconference
14:41:50 <trackbot> Date: 16 October 2013
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14:58:29 <Zakim> +[GVoice]
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14:59:20 <pfps> zakim, this will be rdf-wg
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14:59:20 <Zakim> I do not see a conference matching that name scheduled within the next hour, pfps
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14:59:46 <pfps> zakim, this is RDF-WG
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14:59:46 <Zakim> sorry, pfps, I do not see a conference named 'RDF-WG' in progress or scheduled at this time
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14:59:48 <Guus> trackbot, start meeting
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14:59:50 <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs world
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14:59:52 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be 73394
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14:59:53 <trackbot> Meeting: RDF Working Group Teleconference
14:59:53 <trackbot> Date: 16 October 2013
14:59:53 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see SW_RDFWG()11:00AM scheduled to start in 1 minute
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15:00:02 <pfps> zakim, who is here?
Peter Patel-Schneider: zakim, who is here? ←
15:00:03 <Zakim> I notice SW_RDFWG()11:00AM has restarted
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15:00:04 <Zakim> On the phone I see [GVoice], Guus_Schreiber, [IPcaller]
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15:00:04 <Zakim> On IRC I see pfps, AndyS, Guus, Zakim, RRSAgent, gavinc, gkellogg, TallTed, ivan, trackbot, davidwood, yvesr, manu, sandro, ericP
Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see pfps, AndyS, Guus, Zakim, RRSAgent, gavinc, gkellogg, TallTed, ivan, trackbot, davidwood, yvesr, manu, sandro, ericP ←
15:00:11 <pfps> zakim, gvoice is me
Peter Patel-Schneider: zakim, gvoice is me ←
15:00:11 <Zakim> +pfps; got it
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15:00:15 <AndyS> zakim, ipcaller is me
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15:00:15 <Zakim> +AndyS; got it
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15:00:23 <Zakim> +??P9
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15:00:27 <Zakim> +GavinC
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15:00:32 <yvesr> Zakim, ??P9 is me
Yves Raimond: Zakim, ??P9 is me ←
15:00:34 <Zakim> +yvesr; got it
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15:00:36 <Zakim> +Sandro
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15:01:00 <Zakim> +EricP
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15:01:08 <ivan> zakim, code?
Ivan Herman: zakim, code? ←
15:01:08 <Zakim> the conference code is 73394 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), ivan
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15:01:21 <gavinc> issue-156?
15:01:21 <trackbot> issue-156 -- Media type parameter for turtle -- open
Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-156 -- Media type parameter for turtle -- open ←
15:01:21 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/track/issues/156
Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/track/issues/156 ←
15:01:37 <Zakim> +OpenLink_Software
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15:01:39 <Zakim> +Ivan
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15:01:45 <ivan> zakim, mute me
Ivan Herman: zakim, mute me ←
15:01:45 <Zakim> Ivan should now be muted
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15:01:57 <TallTed> Zakim, OpenLink_Software is temporarily me
Ted Thibodeau: Zakim, OpenLink_Software is temporarily me ←
15:01:57 <Zakim> +TallTed; got it
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15:01:59 <TallTed> Zakim, mute me
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15:01:59 <Zakim> TallTed should now be muted
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15:02:31 <Zakim> -pfps
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15:03:02 <Zakim> +AZ
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15:03:22 <Zakim> +??P20
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15:03:28 <markus> zakim, ??P20 is me
Markus Lanthaler: zakim, ??P20 is me ←
15:03:28 <Zakim> +markus; got it
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15:03:35 <AZ> Zakim, who is here
Antoine Zimmermann: Zakim, who is here ←
15:03:35 <Zakim> AZ, you need to end that query with '?'
Zakim IRC Bot: AZ, you need to end that query with '?' ←
15:03:35 <Guus> chair: Guus
15:03:35 <Guus> scribe: Sandro
(Scribe set to Sandro Hawke)
15:03:40 <AZ> Zakim, who is here?
Antoine Zimmermann: Zakim, who is here? ←
15:03:40 <Zakim> On the phone I see Guus_Schreiber, AndyS, yvesr, GavinC, Sandro, EricP, TallTed (muted), Ivan (muted), AZ, markus
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see Guus_Schreiber, AndyS, yvesr, GavinC, Sandro, EricP, TallTed (muted), Ivan (muted), AZ, markus ←
15:03:42 <Zakim> On IRC I see markus, AZ, AndyS, Guus, Zakim, RRSAgent, gavinc, gkellogg, TallTed, ivan, trackbot, davidwood, yvesr, manu, sandro, ericP
Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see markus, AZ, AndyS, Guus, Zakim, RRSAgent, gavinc, gkellogg, TallTed, ivan, trackbot, davidwood, yvesr, manu, sandro, ericP ←
15:03:45 <Guus> zakim, pick a scribe
Guus Schreiber: zakim, pick a scribe ←
15:03:45 <Zakim> Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose Sandro
Zakim IRC Bot: Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose Sandro ←
15:04:02 <Zakim> +[GVoice]
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15:04:46 <pfps> zakim, gvoice is me
Peter Patel-Schneider: zakim, gvoice is me ←
15:04:47 <Zakim> +pfps; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +pfps; got it ←
15:04:51 <AndyS> zakim who is making noise?
Andy Seaborne: zakim who is making noise? ←
15:04:58 <AndyS> zakim, who is making noise?
Andy Seaborne: zakim, who is making noise? ←
15:05:09 <Zakim> AndyS, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: AZ (4%)
Zakim IRC Bot: AndyS, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: AZ (4%) ←
15:05:30 <AZ> weird, I've muted my phone
Antoine Zimmermann: weird, I've muted my phone ←
15:05:40 <ericP> mute it harder
Eric Prud'hommeaux: mute it harder ←
15:05:50 <ericP> topic: Admin
15:06:56 <gavinc> -1 to accepting minutes
Gavin Carothers: -1 to accepting minutes ←
15:07:28 <Zakim> +David_Wood
Zakim IRC Bot: +David_Wood ←
15:07:31 <AndyS> issue-156?
15:07:31 <trackbot> issue-156 -- Media type parameter for turtle -- open
Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-156 -- Media type parameter for turtle -- open ←
15:07:31 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/track/issues/156
Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/track/issues/156 ←
15:07:50 <AZ> q+ to mention problem with ACTION 309
Antoine Zimmermann: q+ to mention problem with ACTION-309 ←
15:08:13 <sandro> guus: we'll return to the munutes later
Guus Schreiber: we'll return to the munutes later ←
15:08:32 <AndyS> action-309?
15:08:32 <trackbot> action-309 -- David Wood to Make an editorial change to concepts in answer to issue-147 -- due 2013-10-16 -- PENDINGREVIEW
Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-309 -- David Wood to Make an editorial change to concepts in answer to ISSUE-147 -- due 2013-10-16 -- PENDINGREVIEW ←
15:08:32 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/track/actions/309
Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/track/actions/309 ←
15:09:58 <sandro> davidwood: Sorry, AZ, I didn't realized I'd missed some of your text -- I'll fix that.
David Wood: Sorry, AZ, I didn't realized I'd missed some of your text -- I'll fix that. ←
15:11:01 <pfps> q+
15:11:10 <sandro> RRSAgent, pointer?
RRSAgent, pointer? ←
15:11:10 <RRSAgent> See http://www.w3.org/2013/10/16-rdf-wg-irc#T15-11-10
RRSAgent IRC Bot: See http://www.w3.org/2013/10/16-rdf-wg-irc#T15-11-10 ←
15:12:12 <AZ> topic: LC comments on Concepts and Semantics
15:12:14 <AndyS> http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/wiki/RDF_1.1_Concepts_and_Abstract_Syntax_Last_Call_Comments
Andy Seaborne: http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/wiki/RDF_1.1_Concepts_and_Abstract_Syntax_Last_Call_Comments ←
15:12:39 <sandro> pfps: nanocomments comment - is that just about trig?
Peter Patel-Schneider: nanocomments comment - is that just about trig? ←
15:12:49 <sandro> gavinc: It's more than trig
Gavin Carothers: It's more than trig ←
15:13:11 <sandro> gavin: I got lost in email thread with jeremy this week, on this
Gavin Carothers: I got lost in email thread with jeremy this week, on this ←
15:13:34 <sandro> guus: I'd like the CR decision next week, and I don't think Paul meant this as a formal comment.
Guus Schreiber: I'd like the CR decision next week, and I don't think Paul meant this as a formal comment. ←
15:14:08 <sandro> gavin: I'll reply later today, saying Trig says it's okay, and formal meaning is application dependent.
Gavin Carothers: I'll reply later today, saying Trig says it's okay, and formal meaning is application dependent. ←
15:14:21 <sandro> issue-150
15:14:21 <trackbot> issue-150 -- LC Comment: references and acknowledgements -- open
Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-150 -- LC Comment: references and acknowledgements -- open ←
15:14:21 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/track/issues/150
Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/track/issues/150 ←
15:14:26 <sandro> guus: purely editorial
Guus Schreiber: purely editorial ←
15:14:45 <sandro> issue-142
15:14:45 <trackbot> issue-142 -- LC comment: rdfs:Graph ? comment -- open
Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-142 -- LC comment: rdfs:Graph ? comment -- open ←
15:14:45 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/track/issues/142
Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/track/issues/142 ←
15:14:57 <sandro> guus: discussed extensively. close over objection.
Guus Schreiber: discussed extensively. close over objection. ←
15:15:01 <ivan> +1
Ivan Herman: +1 ←
15:15:04 <pfps> fine by me to close 142 even over objection
Peter Patel-Schneider: fine by me to close 142 even over objection ←
15:15:05 <AndyS> +1
Andy Seaborne: +1 ←
15:15:08 <davidwood> +1
David Wood: +1 ←
15:15:11 <yvesr> +1
Yves Raimond: +1 ←
15:15:11 <gavinc> +1 (expecting FO)
Gavin Carothers: +1 (expecting FO) ←
15:15:12 <AZ> I agree too
Antoine Zimmermann: I agree too ←
15:15:15 <ericP> +1
Eric Prud'hommeaux: +1 ←
15:15:20 <sandro> PROPOSED: Close issue-142 over Jeremy's (planned) formal objection
PROPOSED: Close ISSUE-142 over Jeremy's (planned) formal objection ←
15:15:21 <markus> +0
Markus Lanthaler: +0 ←
15:15:23 <sandro> +1
+1 ←
15:15:26 <AZ> +1
Antoine Zimmermann: +1 ←
15:15:31 <sandro> guus: I don't see any more progress on this.
Guus Schreiber: I don't see any more progress on this. ←
15:15:32 <TallTed> +1
Ted Thibodeau: +1 ←
15:15:46 <sandro> sandro: I agree
Sandro Hawke: I agree ←
15:15:49 <sandro> pfps: I agree
Peter Patel-Schneider: I agree ←
15:16:13 <sandro> RESOLVED: Close issue-142 over Jeremy's (planned) formal objection
RESOLVED: Close ISSUE-142 over Jeremy's (planned) formal objection ←
15:16:44 <sandro> close issue-142
15:16:45 <trackbot> Closed issue-142.
Trackbot IRC Bot: Closed ISSUE-142. ←
15:16:57 <markus> there's everything here
Markus Lanthaler: there's everything here ←
15:16:59 <markus> http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/wiki/RDF_1.1_Concepts_and_Abstract_Syntax_Last_Call_Comments
Markus Lanthaler: http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/wiki/RDF_1.1_Concepts_and_Abstract_Syntax_Last_Call_Comments ←
15:17:32 <sandro> issue-145
15:17:32 <trackbot> issue-145 -- LC comment: Identify vs. Denote distinction is not helpful -- open
Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-145 -- LC comment: Identify vs. Denote distinction is not helpful -- open ←
15:17:32 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/track/issues/145
Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/track/issues/145 ←
15:17:48 <sandro> guus: I'll ping commenter for response
Guus Schreiber: I'll ping commenter for response ←
15:17:56 <pfps> next week is ISWC, so some people (me included) may not be on the call
Peter Patel-Schneider: next week is ISWC, so some people (me included) may not be on the call ←
15:19:13 <gavinc> No comments, except for the typos
Gavin Carothers: No comments, except for the typos ←
15:19:23 <sandro> sandro: hopefully decisions can be handled by proxy then.
Sandro Hawke: hopefully decisions can be handled by proxy then. ←
15:19:29 <sandro> issue-127
15:19:29 <trackbot> issue-127 -- Comment: multiple ways to encode string codepoints -- open
Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-127 -- Comment: multiple ways to encode string codepoints -- open ←
15:19:29 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/track/issues/127
Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/track/issues/127 ←
15:19:50 <sandro> guus: Did we respond to this.
Guus Schreiber: Did we respond to this. ←
15:19:59 <sandro> gavin: I'll write a formal response to him, today.
Gavin Carothers: I'll write a formal response to him, today. ←
15:20:12 <gavinc> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-comments/2013Jul/0019.html
Gavin Carothers: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-comments/2013Jul/0019.html ←
15:20:25 <sandro> guus: A lot of things need to be done this week, in order to avoid cascading increases in workload
Guus Schreiber: A lot of things need to be done this week, in order to avoid cascading increases in workload ←
15:21:46 <Guus> topic: TriG / N-Triples / N-Quads
15:21:46 <Guus> http://www.w3.org/TR/2013/WD-trig-20130919/#grammar-ebnf
Guus Schreiber: http://www.w3.org/TR/2013/WD-trig-20130919/#grammar-ebnf ←
15:21:48 <sandro> guus: There's an oops on TriG -- it didn't mention the Features At Risk in the SOTF.
Guus Schreiber: There's an oops on TriG -- it didn't mention the Features At Risk in the SOTD. ←
15:21:56 <sandro> s/SOTF/SOTD/
15:22:20 <sandro> guus: Maybe we can decides on the Features At Risk before CR? We don't need to .
Guus Schreiber: Maybe we can decides on the Features At Risk before CR? We don't need to . ←
15:22:37 <AndyS> Include them.
Andy Seaborne: Include them. ←
15:22:46 <davidwood> +1
David Wood: +1 ←
15:22:58 <gavinc> Include them
Gavin Carothers: Include them ←
15:23:04 <ivan> q+
Ivan Herman: q+ ←
15:23:08 <sandro> guus: First F.A.R -- the GRAPH keyword. Quick check can we remove the At Risk flag and just keep the feature?
Guus Schreiber: First F.A.R -- the GRAPH keyword. Quick check can we remove the At Risk flag and just keep the feature? ←
15:23:10 <sandro> +1
+1 ←
15:23:14 <ivan> zakim, unmute me
Ivan Herman: zakim, unmute me ←
15:23:15 <Zakim> Ivan should no longer be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: Ivan should no longer be muted ←
15:23:30 <pfps> q-
15:23:33 <Guus> ack pfps
Guus Schreiber: ack pfps ←
15:23:40 <Guus> ack ivan
Guus Schreiber: ack ivan ←
15:23:51 <sandro> PROPOSED: Remove "AT RISK" designation for "GRAPH Keyword" in TriG, keeping the feature
PROPOSED: Remove "AT RISK" designation for "GRAPH Keyword" in TriG, keeping the feature ←
15:24:16 <ivan> +1
Ivan Herman: +1 ←
15:24:18 <ericP> +1
Eric Prud'hommeaux: +1 ←
15:24:19 <sandro> +1
+1 ←
15:24:19 <gavinc> +1
Gavin Carothers: +1 ←
15:24:21 <pfps> +1
15:24:21 <AndyS> +1
Andy Seaborne: +1 ←
15:24:22 <davidwood> +1
David Wood: +1 ←
15:24:23 <ivan> zakim, mute me
Ivan Herman: zakim, mute me ←
15:24:23 <Zakim> Ivan should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: Ivan should now be muted ←
15:24:28 <AZ> +1
Antoine Zimmermann: +1 ←
15:24:29 <markus> +1
Markus Lanthaler: +1 ←
15:24:30 <Guus> +1
Guus Schreiber: +1 ←
15:24:43 <sandro> RESOLVED: Remove "AT RISK" designation for "GRAPH Keyword" in TriG, keeping the feature
RESOLVED: Remove "AT RISK" designation for "GRAPH Keyword" in TriG, keeping the feature ←
15:25:03 <sandro> PROPOSED: Remove "AT RISK" designation for "Unenclosed Triples" in TriG, keeping the feature
PROPOSED: Remove "AT RISK" designation for "Unenclosed Triples" in TriG, keeping the feature ←
15:25:32 <davidwood> +1
David Wood: +1 ←
15:25:33 <ericP> +1
Eric Prud'hommeaux: +1 ←
15:25:34 <ivan> +1
Ivan Herman: +1 ←
15:25:35 <sandro> +1
+1 ←
15:25:36 <AndyS> Keep feature
Andy Seaborne: Keep feature ←
15:25:36 <Guus> +1
Guus Schreiber: +1 ←
15:25:37 <yvesr> +1
Yves Raimond: +1 ←
15:25:40 <AZ> +1
Antoine Zimmermann: +1 ←
15:25:49 <markus> +1
Markus Lanthaler: +1 ←
15:25:50 <gavinc> +1 and make "with the same semantics" TRUE
Gavin Carothers: +1 and make "with the same semantics" TRUE ←
15:26:40 <AndyS> q+
Andy Seaborne: q+ ←
15:27:13 <Guus> ack AndyS
Guus Schreiber: ack AndyS ←
15:28:21 <sandro> RESOLVED: Remove "AT RISK" designation for "Unenclosed Triples" in TriG, keeping the feature
RESOLVED: Remove "AT RISK" designation for "Unenclosed Triples" in TriG, keeping the feature ←
15:29:17 <Zakim> +Arnaud
Zakim IRC Bot: +Arnaud ←
15:30:48 <sandro> topic: Test suites for Trig, N-Triples, N-Quads
15:30:56 <sandro> gavin: They exist, linked from drafts
Gavin Carothers: They exist, linked from drafts ←
15:30:57 <AndyS> http://www.w3.org/2013/TurtleTests/
Andy Seaborne: http://www.w3.org/2013/TurtleTests/ ←
15:31:10 <AndyS> http://www.w3.org/2013/TrigTests/
Andy Seaborne: http://www.w3.org/2013/TrigTests/ ←
15:31:30 <gavinc> http://www.w3.org/2013/N-TriplesTests/
Gavin Carothers: http://www.w3.org/2013/N-TriplesTests/ ←
15:31:36 <AndyS> http://www.w3.org/2013/N-TriplesTests/ http://www.w3.org/2013/N-QuadsTests/
Andy Seaborne: http://www.w3.org/2013/N-TriplesTests/ http://www.w3.org/2013/N-QuadsTests/ ←
15:31:42 <gavinc> http://www.w3.org/2013/N-QuadsTests/
Gavin Carothers: http://www.w3.org/2013/N-QuadsTests/ ←
15:31:47 <AndyS> all exist (I just checked!)
Andy Seaborne: all exist (I just checked!) ←
15:32:06 <AndyS> Some say "under development"
Andy Seaborne: Some say "under development" ←
15:32:38 <AndyS> Says "Draft. The test suite is under development at ..."
Andy Seaborne: Says "Draft. The test suite is under development at ..." ←
15:33:12 <Zakim> +PatH
Zakim IRC Bot: +PatH ←
15:33:20 <PatH> Sorry Im late.
Patrick Hayes: Sorry Im late. ←
15:33:35 <sandro> sandro: So I should change them to say: the test suites are _here_
Sandro Hawke: So I should change them to say: the test suites are _here_ ←
15:33:41 <sandro> guus: did we resolve to accept them?
Guus Schreiber: did we resolve to accept them? ←
15:33:44 <sandro> andy: I believe so
Andy Seaborne: I believe so ←
15:33:49 <sandro> topic: Semantic Test Suite
15:34:09 <AndyS> picky - include a hg commit id in URL, not "default"
Andy Seaborne: picky - include a hg commit id in URL, not "default" ←
15:34:14 <pfps> sandro's action is to set up a landing page for Semantics
Peter Patel-Schneider: sandro's action is to set up a landing page for Semantics ←
15:34:22 <sandro> sandro: I didn't set up the landing page for that yet. Unclear what we're saying about it.
Sandro Hawke: I didn't set up the landing page for that yet. Unclear what we're saying about it. ←
15:35:03 <sandro> pfps: Tests from last time have all been caried forward and should all be correct.
Peter Patel-Schneider: Tests from last time have all been caried forward and should all be correct. ←
15:35:29 <sandro> .. AZ proposed some new tests, and they're in the test suite
.. AZ proposed some new tests, and they're in the test suite ←
15:35:38 <sandro> .. I looked at all tests and believe they're correct
.. I looked at all tests and believe they're correct ←
15:35:51 <sandro> .. but the manifest pointed at the wrong files, so I fixed those
.. but the manifest pointed at the wrong files, so I fixed those ←
15:36:16 <sandro> .. Conformance Clause Missing
.. Conformance Clause Missing ←
15:36:37 <PatH> SOme of the tests are fine, a few seem too obscure.
Patrick Hayes: SOme of the tests are fine, a few seem too obscure. ←
15:36:40 <sandro> sandro: What about AZ's tests being too difficult?
Sandro Hawke: What about AZ's tests being too difficult? ←
15:37:01 <sandro> pfps: SOME of AZ's tests are non-exceptional, they talk about things like the new ways ill-formed literals are treated.
Peter Patel-Schneider: SOME of AZ's tests are non-exceptional, they talk about things like the new ways ill-formed literals are treated. ←
15:37:04 <AZ> q+
Antoine Zimmermann: q+ ←
15:37:23 <sandro> guus: Assuming we're going to CR next week, how's our test suite for that?
Guus Schreiber: Assuming we're going to CR next week, how's our test suite for that? ←
15:37:26 <pfps> some of AZs test are for the new datatypes
Peter Patel-Schneider: some of AZs test are for the new datatypes ←
15:37:35 <sandro> Publication in 2 week
Publication in 2 week ←
15:37:58 <PatH> AZ on queue?
Patrick Hayes: AZ on queue? ←
15:37:59 <ivan> zakim, unmute me
Ivan Herman: zakim, unmute me ←
15:37:59 <Zakim> Ivan should no longer be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: Ivan should no longer be muted ←
15:39:00 <sandro> az: Just thinking maybe the Conformance might be parameterized by the ER the reasoner claims to support. An "RDF Entailment" reason, then doesn't need to pass RDFS tests.
Antoine Zimmermann: Just thinking maybe the Conformance might be parameterized by the ER the reasoner claims to support. An "RDF Entailment" reason, then doesn't need to pass RDFS tests. ←
15:39:24 <sandro> .. if you don't support xsd:nonPositiveInteger then you don't have to pass those tests.
.. if you don't support xsd:nonPositiveInteger then you don't have to pass those tests. ←
15:39:43 <sandro> sandro: I think that's the general direction to go
Sandro Hawke: I think that's the general direction to go ←
15:39:52 <markus> notes that RDF Semantics doesn't define any conformance classes/products...
Markus Lanthaler: notes that RDF Semantics doesn't define any conformance classes/products... ←
15:40:25 <PatH> We apparently need to combine conformance language and completeness language in a nice way. BUt this is rather delicate.
Patrick Hayes: We apparently need to combine conformance language and completeness language in a nice way. BUt this is rather delicate. ←
15:40:55 <sandro> sandro: Awkward that we don't say anything about conformance in rdf-mt
Sandro Hawke: Awkward that we don't say anything about conformance in rdf-mt ←
15:41:35 <pfps> I have to leave sometime after noon
Peter Patel-Schneider: I have to leave sometime after noon ←
15:41:37 <sandro> guus: any objection to going to :15 ?
Guus Schreiber: any objection to going to :15 ? ←
15:41:53 <sandro> sandro: I thought that was our schedule.
Sandro Hawke: I thought that was our schedule. ←
15:41:56 <sandro> topic: Process
15:43:27 <markus> http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/wiki/Meetings:Telecon2013.10.16#CR_transition_process_for_Concepts_.2B_Semantics_.2B_TriG_.2B_N-Triples_.2B_N-Quads
Markus Lanthaler: http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/wiki/Meetings:Telecon2013.10.16#CR_transition_process_for_Concepts_.2B_Semantics_.2B_TriG_.2B_N-Triples_.2B_N-Quads ←
15:43:33 <Guus> http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/wiki/Meetings:Telecon2013.10.16#CR_transition_process_for_Concepts_.2B_Semantics_.2B_TriG_.2B_N-Triples_.2B_N-Quads
Guus Schreiber: http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/wiki/Meetings:Telecon2013.10.16#CR_transition_process_for_Concepts_.2B_Semantics_.2B_TriG_.2B_N-Triples_.2B_N-Quads ←
15:43:49 <sandro> guus: (reads timeline from agenda)
Guus Schreiber: (reads timeline from agenda) ←
15:44:51 <sandro> guus: Key thing -- EDITORS get drafts available before next telecon!
Guus Schreiber: Key thing -- EDITORS get drafts available before next telecon! ←
15:45:01 <sandro> guus: With all editorial changes made
Guus Schreiber: With all editorial changes made ←
15:45:45 <pfps> the ack could be in an ack section at the end if necessary
Peter Patel-Schneider: the ack could be in an ack section at the end if necessary ←
15:46:11 <gavinc> http://www.w3.org/mid/45B205A4-6704-4F50-B0B6-A197B894D4CD@3roundstones.com respec issue
Gavin Carothers: http://www.w3.org/mid/45B205A4-6704-4F50-B0B6-A197B894D4CD@3roundstones.com respec issue ←
15:46:55 <markus> respec stuff: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-wg/2013Sep/0052.html
Markus Lanthaler: respec stuff: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-wg/2013Sep/0052.html ←
15:47:09 <sandro> pfps: for semantics, all the necessary edits have been done ..... except for one msg waiting from David Booth
Peter Patel-Schneider: for semantics, all the necessary edits have been done ..... except for one msg waiting from David Booth ←
15:47:10 <davidwood> markus, thanks.
David Wood: markus, thanks. ←
15:47:40 <sandro> guus: trig?
Guus Schreiber: trig? ←
15:48:47 <sandro> sandro: We're thinking we'll do a CR of Trig in sync with the other docs
Sandro Hawke: We're thinking we'll do a CR of Trig in sync with the other docs ←
15:49:03 <sandro> guus: pfps pat - need a Changes section
Guus Schreiber: pfps pat - need a Changes section ←
15:49:05 <sandro> pfps: Done
Peter Patel-Schneider: Done ←
15:49:11 <sandro> davidwood: Done for Concepts
David Wood: Done for Concepts ←
15:49:56 <sandro> guus: And N-Triples and N-Quads?
Guus Schreiber: And N-Triples and N-Quads? ←
15:49:59 <sandro> gavi: Yep.
Gavin Carothers: Yep. ←
15:50:40 <sandro> gavin: I'm promising to have CR drafts available for next Tuesday, and have all comments address. (Even if paul groth's comment isn't exactly about TriG)
Gavin Carothers: I'm promising to have CR drafts available for next Tuesday, and have all comments address. (Even if paul groth's comment isn't exactly about TriG) ←
15:50:43 <ivan> q+
Ivan Herman: q+ ←
15:50:53 <sandro> guus: Can everyone live with this timeline?
Guus Schreiber: Can everyone live with this timeline? ←
15:50:58 <PatH> Seems OK to me.
Patrick Hayes: Seems OK to me. ←
15:51:01 <ivan> ack ivan
Ivan Herman: ack ivan ←
15:51:01 <sandro> q- az
q- az ←
15:51:07 <Guus> ack AZ
Guus Schreiber: ack AZ ←
15:51:11 <Guus> ack ivan
Guus Schreiber: ack ivan ←
15:51:36 <sandro> ivan: 7th of november absolute latest date, but 5th would be better.
Ivan Herman: 7th of november absolute latest date, but 5th would be better. ←
15:51:58 <sandro> sandro: Sounds like it all works, if nthing gets bumped.
Sandro Hawke: Sounds like it all works, if nthing gets bumped. ←
15:52:07 <sandro> PLANNED PUBLICATION DATE: 5 NOVEMBER.
PLANNED PUBLICATION DATE: 5 NOVEMBER. ←
15:52:23 <sandro> guus: Next week -- CR Exit Criteria.
Guus Schreiber: Next week -- CR Exit Criteria. ←
15:52:40 <sandro> sandro: No peter next week, lets do it now.
Sandro Hawke: No peter next week, lets do it now. ←
15:53:25 <sandro> sandro: We should be able to find two people who want to pass any good test
Sandro Hawke: We should be able to find two people who want to pass any good test ←
15:54:12 <sandro> sandro: pfps are you passing all the tests you think should be approved tests
Sandro Hawke: pfps are you passing all the tests you think should be approved tests ←
15:54:18 <sandro> pfps: not nearly, since they're not OWL DL
Peter Patel-Schneider: not nearly, since they're not OWL DL ←
15:54:59 <sandro> pat: people/software
Patrick Hayes: people/software ←
15:55:56 <sandro> sandro: Anyone know about bglimm's interest in this?
Sandro Hawke: Anyone know about bglimm's interest in this? ←
15:56:38 <sandro> sandro: ANything in Jena?
Sandro Hawke: ANything in Jena? ←
15:57:31 <sandro> PROPOSED: CR Exit for Semantic will be to have at least two implementations passing each approve test.
PROPOSED: CR Exit for Semantic will be to have at least two implementations passing each approve test. ←
15:57:51 <sandro> +1
+1 ←
15:57:58 <Guus> +1
Guus Schreiber: +1 ←
15:58:07 <yvesr> +1
Yves Raimond: +1 ←
15:58:17 <ivan> q+
Ivan Herman: q+ ←
15:58:25 <AZ> +1
Antoine Zimmermann: +1 ←
15:58:31 <sandro> sandro: And you don't run the tests that don't apply to your kind of reasoner
Sandro Hawke: And you don't run the tests that don't apply to your kind of reasoner ←
15:59:06 <gavinc> +1
Gavin Carothers: +1 ←
16:00:05 <sandro> ivan:We could leave out the 2004 tests?
Ivan Herman: We could leave out the 2004 tests? ←
16:00:08 <Arnaud> +1
Arnaud Le Hors: +1 ←
16:00:17 <sandro> pfps: It's a burden if you're running them by hand.
Peter Patel-Schneider: It's a burden if you're running them by hand. ←
16:00:55 <sandro> PROPOSED: CR Exit for Semantics will be to have at least two implementations passing each approved new (RDF 1.1 only) test.
PROPOSED: CR Exit for Semantics will be to have at least two implementations passing each approved new (RDF 1.1 only) test. ←
16:01:01 <davidwood> +1
David Wood: +1 ←
16:01:02 <ivan> +1
Ivan Herman: +1 ←
16:01:03 <sandro> +1
+1 ←
16:01:04 <Arnaud> +1
Arnaud Le Hors: +1 ←
16:01:05 <AndyS> +1
Andy Seaborne: +1 ←
16:01:06 <AZ> +1
Antoine Zimmermann: +1 ←
16:01:15 <sandro> RESOLVED: CR Exit for Semantics will be to have at least two implementations passing each approved new (RDF 1.1 only) test.
RESOLVED: CR Exit for Semantics will be to have at least two implementations passing each approved new (RDF 1.1 only) test. ←
16:01:17 <Arnaud> sorry, I've got to drop
Arnaud Le Hors: sorry, I've got to drop ←
16:01:27 <Zakim> -Arnaud
Zakim IRC Bot: -Arnaud ←
16:01:46 <ivan> +1 to sandro
Ivan Herman: +1 to sandro ←
16:02:03 <sandro> PROPOSED: CR of 3 weeks (the minimum)
PROPOSED: CR of 3 weeks (the minimum) ←
16:02:08 <ivan> +1
Ivan Herman: +1 ←
16:02:09 <sandro> +1
+1 ←
16:02:12 <Guus> +1
Guus Schreiber: +1 ←
16:02:14 <PatH> +1
Patrick Hayes: +1 ←
16:02:19 <sandro> RESOLVED: CR of 3 weeks (the minimum)
RESOLVED: CR of 3 weeks (the minimum) ←
16:02:25 <AZ> +1
Antoine Zimmermann: +1 ←
16:03:01 <sandro> guus: I'll be producing draft transition request, and ask for checks from all editors.
Guus Schreiber: I'll be producing draft transition request, and ask for checks from all editors. ←
16:03:10 <sandro> topic: JSON-LD
16:03:26 <sandro> markus: Resolve features AT RISK for JSON-LD.
Markus Lanthaler: Resolve features AT RISK for JSON-LD. ←
16:04:29 <sandro> https://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/wiki/JSON-LD_Features_at_Risk
https://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/wiki/JSON-LD_Features_at_Risk ←
16:06:18 <sandro> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-wg/2013Oct/0167.html
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-wg/2013Oct/0167.html ←
16:08:40 <sandro> markus: On Promises the proposal is to make API non-normative and reference (copy of) git hub page -- assuming Director is okay with this process.
Markus Lanthaler: On Promises the proposal is to make API non-normative and reference (copy of) git hub page -- assuming Director is okay with this process. ←
16:08:49 <sandro> markus: Any disagreement on any of those?
Markus Lanthaler: Any disagreement on any of those? ←
16:09:02 <gavinc> -0.5 to ignoring URL spec for URLs
Gavin Carothers: -0.5 to ignoring URL spec for URLs ←
16:09:02 <sandro> guus: Any discussion?
Guus Schreiber: Any discussion? ←
16:09:55 <markus> zakim, who is making noise?
Markus Lanthaler: zakim, who is making noise? ←
16:10:06 <Zakim> markus, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: AZ (9%), Sandro (70%), David_Wood (14%)
Zakim IRC Bot: markus, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: AZ (9%), Sandro (70%), David_Wood (14%) ←
16:10:14 <davidwood> Zakim, mute me
David Wood: Zakim, mute me ←
16:10:15 <Zakim> David_Wood should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: David_Wood should now be muted ←
16:10:24 <sandro> PROPOSED: To handle Promised depency, we make the json-ls-api be non-normative. We do not believe this needs another Last Call, given the AT RISK flag and the comments recieved.
PROPOSED: To handle Promised depency, we make the json-ls-api be non-normative. We do not believe this needs another Last Call, given the AT RISK flag and the comments recieved. ←
16:10:32 <Zakim> -yvesr
Zakim IRC Bot: -yvesr ←
16:10:42 <sandro> PROPOSED: To handle Promises dependency, we make the json-ls-api be non-normative. We do not believe this needs another Last Call, given the AT RISK flag and the comments recieved.
PROPOSED: To handle Promises dependency, we make the json-ls-api be non-normative. We do not believe this needs another Last Call, given the AT RISK flag and the comments recieved. ←
16:10:46 <sandro> +1
+1 ←
16:11:01 <ivan> +1
Ivan Herman: +1 ←
16:11:02 <davidwood> +1
David Wood: +1 ←
16:11:02 <TallTed> +1
Ted Thibodeau: +1 ←
16:11:02 <Guus> +1
Guus Schreiber: +1 ←
16:11:06 <markus> +1
Markus Lanthaler: +1 ←
16:11:07 <PatH> +0
Patrick Hayes: +0 ←
16:11:14 <gavinc> +1
Gavin Carothers: +1 ←
16:11:36 <sandro> RESOLVED: To handle Promises dependency, we make the json-ls-api be non-normative. We do not believe this needs another Last Call, given the AT RISK flag and the comments received.
RESOLVED: To handle Promises dependency, we make the json-ls-api be non-normative. We do not believe this needs another Last Call, given the AT RISK flag and the comments received. ←
16:11:41 <sandro> PROPOSED: Resolve all AT RISK flags in JSON-LD documents as per recommendation of JSON LD Task Force, shown in http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-wg/2013Oct/0167.html
PROPOSED: Resolve all AT RISK flags in JSON-LD documents as per recommendation of JSON LD Task Force, shown in http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-wg/2013Oct/0167.html ←
16:11:47 <davidwood> +1
David Wood: +1 ←
16:11:50 <PatH> +0
Patrick Hayes: +0 ←
16:11:51 <Guus> +1
Guus Schreiber: +1 ←
16:11:53 <markus> +1
Markus Lanthaler: +1 ←
16:11:53 <Zakim> -AndyS
Zakim IRC Bot: -AndyS ←
16:11:54 <sandro> +1
+1 ←
16:12:09 <PatH> Oh what the hell +1
Patrick Hayes: Oh what the hell +1 ←
16:12:10 <ivan> +1
Ivan Herman: +1 ←
16:12:13 <TallTed> +1
Ted Thibodeau: +1 ←
16:12:18 <gavinc> -0
Gavin Carothers: -0 ←
16:12:29 <sandro> RESOLVED: Resolve all AT RISK flags in JSON-LD documents as per recommendation of JSON LD Task Force, shown in http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-wg/2013Oct/0167.html
RESOLVED: Resolve all AT RISK flags in JSON-LD documents as per recommendation of JSON LD Task Force, shown in http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-wg/2013Oct/0167.html ←
16:13:21 <Arnaud> hmm
Arnaud Le Hors: hmm ←
16:13:30 <Arnaud> I just got another timeout
Arnaud Le Hors: I just got another timeout ←
16:14:54 <ivan> q+
Ivan Herman: q+ ←
16:15:17 <sandro> guus: We'll plan to request PR for json-ld next week, with publication on 5 November
Guus Schreiber: We'll plan to request PR for json-ld next week, with publication on 5 November ←
16:15:36 <Zakim> -pfps
Zakim IRC Bot: -pfps ←
16:16:24 <sandro> ADJOURN!
ADJOURN! ←
16:17:18 <davidwood> Thanks, everyone.
David Wood: Thanks, everyone. ←
16:17:25 <PatH> Bye
Patrick Hayes: Bye ←
16:17:26 <Zakim> -EricP
Zakim IRC Bot: -EricP ←
16:17:30 <Zakim> -PatH
Zakim IRC Bot: -PatH ←
16:17:31 <Zakim> -Ivan
Zakim IRC Bot: -Ivan ←
16:17:33 <Zakim> -TallTed
Zakim IRC Bot: -TallTed ←
16:17:34 <Zakim> -David_Wood
Zakim IRC Bot: -David_Wood ←
16:17:36 <Zakim> -AZ
Zakim IRC Bot: -AZ ←
16:17:39 <Zakim> -markus
Zakim IRC Bot: -markus ←
16:17:40 <sandro> guus: Next time -- we'll talk about Primer (lots of progress), Schema, and do the other decisions we talked about
Guus Schreiber: Next time -- we'll talk about Primer (lots of progress), Schema, and do the other decisions we talked about ←
16:17:40 <Zakim> -Sandro
Zakim IRC Bot: -Sandro ←
16:17:45 <Zakim> -GavinC
Zakim IRC Bot: -GavinC ←
16:17:58 <Guus> trackbot, end meeting
Guus Schreiber: trackbot, end meeting ←
16:17:58 <trackbot> Zakim, list attendees
Trackbot IRC Bot: Zakim, list attendees ←
16:17:58 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been Guus_Schreiber, pfps, AndyS, GavinC, yvesr, Sandro, EricP, Ivan, TallTed, AZ, markus, David_Wood, Arnaud, PatH
Zakim IRC Bot: As of this point the attendees have been Guus_Schreiber, pfps, AndyS, GavinC, yvesr, Sandro, EricP, Ivan, TallTed, AZ, markus, David_Wood, Arnaud, PatH ←
16:18:06 <trackbot> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
Trackbot IRC Bot: RRSAgent, please draft minutes ←
16:18:06 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/10/16-rdf-wg-minutes.html trackbot
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16:18:07 <trackbot> RRSAgent, bye
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16:18:07 <RRSAgent> I see no action items
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