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RDF Working Group

Minutes of 07 August 2013

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Andy Seaborne, Eric Prud'hommeaux, Guus Schreiber, Ivan Herman, Sandro Hawke, Souripriya Das, Zhe Wu
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  1. Accept minutes https://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/rdf-wg/2013-07-24 link
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15:04:16 <Guus> zakim, who is here?

Guus Schreiber: zakim, who is here?

15:04:16 <Zakim> On the phone I see Guus_Schreiber, TallTed (muted), Antoine (muted), AndyS, Ivan (muted)

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see Guus_Schreiber, TallTed (muted), Antoine (muted), AndyS, Ivan (muted)

15:04:19 <Zakim> On IRC I see RRSAgent, Guus, TallTed, ivan, AndyS, davidwood, yvesr, manu, trackbot, sandro, ericP

Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see RRSAgent, Guus, TallTed, ivan, AndyS, davidwood, yvesr, manu, trackbot, sandro, ericP

15:04:40 <ivan> :-)

Ivan Herman: :-)

15:05:15 <AndyS> scribenick: AndyS

(Scribe set to Andy Seaborne)

15:05:25 <AndyS> scribe: Andy Seaborne
15:06:08 <AndyS> topic: admin

1. admin

15:06:28 <AndyS> Minutes from last time -- https://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/rdf-wg/2013-07-24

Minutes from last time -- https://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/rdf-wg/2013-07-24

15:06:43 <Zakim> +Sandro

Zakim IRC Bot: +Sandro

15:06:45 <AndyS> RESOLVED: Accept minutes https://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/rdf-wg/2013-07-24

RESOLVED: Accept minutes https://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/rdf-wg/2013-07-24

15:07:38 <AndyS> subtopic: Action items

1.1. Action items

15:08:04 <AndyS> Action-281?

ACTION-281?

15:08:04 <trackbot> ACTION-281 -- Gavin Carothers to provide sandro text for http://www.w3.org/TR/turtle/tests/ to NOT say it's the test suite -- due 2013-07-31 -- OPEN

Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-281 -- Gavin Carothers to provide sandro text for http://www.w3.org/TR/turtle/tests/ to NOT say it's the test suite -- due 2013-07-31 -- OPEN

15:08:04 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/track/actions/281

Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/track/actions/281

15:08:22 <AndyS> action not done.

action not done.

15:08:22 <trackbot> Error finding 'not'. You can review and register nicknames at <http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/track/users>.

Trackbot IRC Bot: Error finding 'not'. You can review and register nicknames at <http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/track/users>.

15:08:35 <AndyS> action-277?

ACTION-277?

15:08:35 <trackbot> ACTION-277 -- Guus Schreiber to write blog post and do out reach on publication of Concepts and Semantics -- due 2013-07-10 -- OPEN

Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-277 -- Guus Schreiber to write blog post and do out reach on publication of Concepts and Semantics -- due 2013-07-10 -- OPEN

15:08:35 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/track/actions/277

Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/track/actions/277

15:08:52 <AndyS> guus: Was on holiday when the docs came out.

Guus Schreiber: Was on holiday when the docs came out.

15:09:37 <AndyS> ... will write a blog post.

... will write a blog post.

15:10:00 <AndyS> subtopic: Next meeting

1.2. Next meeting

15:10:14 <AndyS> 2 weeks then return to regular weekly schedule.

2 weeks then return to regular weekly schedule.

15:10:24 <AndyS> topic: Documents status

2. Documents status

15:11:05 <AndyS> guus: Need to wrap up lang docs to make publication ready

Guus Schreiber: Need to wrap up lang docs to make publication ready

15:12:06 <ivan> zakim, unmute me

Ivan Herman: zakim, unmute me

15:12:06 <Zakim> Ivan should no longer be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: Ivan should no longer be muted

15:12:08 <AndyS> andys: Expect comments needing to be addressed (based on previous drafts)

Andy Seaborne: Expect comments needing to be addressed (based on previous drafts)

15:12:58 <AndyS> guus: Is this(TriG) the main bottleneck currently?

Guus Schreiber: Is this(TriG) the main bottleneck currently?

15:13:11 <Zakim> + +1.619.663.aaaa

Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.619.663.aaaa

15:13:17 <AndyS> ivan: also the RDF tests for CR.

Ivan Herman: also the RDF tests for CR.

15:13:24 <zwu2> zakim, +1.619.663.aaaa is me

Zhe Wu: zakim, +1.619.663.aaaa is me

15:13:24 <Zakim> +zwu2; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +zwu2; got it

15:13:43 <AndyS> sandro: I expect comments around Named Graphs.

Sandro Hawke: I expect comments around Named Graphs.

15:13:59 <AndyS> guus: that is comments on concepts

Guus Schreiber: that is comments on concepts

15:14:03 <Zakim> +Souri

Zakim IRC Bot: +Souri

15:14:35 <ivan> zakim, mute me

Ivan Herman: zakim, mute me

15:14:35 <Zakim> Ivan should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: Ivan should now be muted

15:14:58 <AndyS> topic: TriG

3. TriG

15:15:24 <AndyS> guus: unclear to me from minutes of last time.

Guus Schreiber: unclear to me from minutes of last time.

15:15:51 <AndyS> guus: sandro?

Guus Schreiber: sandro?

15:19:16 <AndyS> sandro: New language would be through a different route.

Sandro Hawke: New language would be through a different route.

15:20:56 <AndyS> andys: I agree that was the outcome

Andy Seaborne: I agree that was the outcome

15:21:32 <AndyS> guus: TriG status - WD ahead of last published, but more work to do.

Guus Schreiber: TriG status - WD ahead of last published, but more work to do.

15:22:02 <AndyS> sandro: need to check with Gavin.

Sandro Hawke: need to check with Gavin.

15:22:20 <AndyS> guus: Gavin is critical ... add 2nd editor?

Guus Schreiber: Gavin is critical ... add 2nd editor?

15:24:01 <AndyS> ACTION AndyS: check with Gavin on status and see if 2nd editor is helpful (and where)

ACTION AndyS: check with Gavin on status and see if 2nd editor is helpful (and where)

15:24:01 <trackbot> Created ACTION-282 - Check with Gavin on status and see if 2nd editor is helpful (and where) [on Andy Seaborne - due 2013-08-14].

Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-282 - Check with Gavin on status and see if 2nd editor is helpful (and where) [on Andy Seaborne - due 2013-08-14].

15:25:11 <AndyS> guus: relationship on syntaxes?

Guus Schreiber: relationship on syntaxes?

15:25:34 <AndyS> ... e.g. Turtle subset of TriG

... e.g. Turtle subset of TriG

15:25:57 <AndyS> sandro: not enough support for N-Quads subset of TriG

Sandro Hawke: not enough support for N-Quads subset of TriG

15:28:01 <AndyS> andys: my Q last week - how do you tell its this profile? (MIME type? other?)

Andy Seaborne: my Q last week - how do you tell its this profile? (MIME type? other?)

15:29:01 <AndyS> guus: and n-triples?

Guus Schreiber: and n-triples?

15:29:20 <AndyS> sandro: media type (scribe - it's in the NT doc)

Sandro Hawke: media type (scribe - it's in the NT doc)

15:29:41 <AndyS> ... could do the same for N-Quads

... could do the same for N-Quads

15:31:28 <AndyS> guus: current practice is n-quads as in WD

Guus Schreiber: current practice is n-quads as in WD

15:31:39 <AndyS> ... are we creating a mess?

... are we creating a mess?

15:33:11 <AndyS> ... in a few years time?

... in a few years time?

15:33:14 <ivan> zakim, unmute me

Ivan Herman: zakim, unmute me

15:33:14 <Zakim> Ivan should no longer be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: Ivan should no longer be muted

15:34:00 <AndyS> andys: while not ideal, it is what the community is doing today

Andy Seaborne: while not ideal, it is what the community is doing today

15:34:48 <AndyS> sandro: hear people say NQ is used today.

Sandro Hawke: hear people say NQ is used today.

15:34:51 <AndyS> q+

q+

15:35:44 <ivan> zakim, mute me

Ivan Herman: zakim, mute me

15:35:44 <Zakim> Ivan should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: Ivan should now be muted

15:37:24 <AndyS> guus: suggestion -- TriG derived format (with different name?)

Guus Schreiber: suggestion -- TriG derived format (with different name?)

15:39:46 <AndyS> sandro: want a clear story for marketing

Sandro Hawke: want a clear story for marketing

15:40:07 <AndyS> guus: Common name for Turtle/TriG?

Guus Schreiber: Common name for Turtle/TriG?

15:40:30 <AndyS> sandro: TurtleG is Turtle+graphs which is now outside WG.

Sandro Hawke: TurtleG is Turtle+graphs which is now outside WG.

15:41:52 <AndyS> guus: want good story

Guus Schreiber: want good story

15:42:57 <AndyS> guus: design syntax then decide name.

Guus Schreiber: design syntax then decide name.

15:44:56 <AndyS> andys: will formally object to calling an incompatible syntax "N-Quads"

Andy Seaborne: will formally object to calling an incompatible syntax "N-Quads"

15:45:41 <AndyS> ... there is no evidence for usage for a new format - it's all new design.

... there is no evidence for usage for a new format - it's all new design.

15:45:55 <AndyS> topic: Comments on Concepts and on Semantics

4. Comments on Concepts and on Semantics

15:46:29 <AndyS> guus: one comment raised (David Booth re generalized  RDF) ... editorial discussion

Guus Schreiber: one comment raised (David Booth re generalized RDF) ... editorial discussion

15:46:38 <AndyS> topic: Turtle tests

5. Turtle tests

15:47:21 <AndyS> guus: Turtle tests have not been announced

Guus Schreiber: Turtle tests have not been announced

15:47:35 <AndyS> ... should we take this over?

... should we take this over?

15:48:21 <AndyS> sandro: ask gavin ... and we would need someone willing to help out

Sandro Hawke: ask gavin ... and we would need someone willing to help out

15:48:38 <AndyS> guus: sandro? can you help?

Guus Schreiber: sandro? can you help?

15:48:51 <AndyS> sandro: I'm swapped out on this one.

Sandro Hawke: I'm swapped out on this one.

15:49:06 <AndyS> guus: would need to wait until Aug19.

Guus Schreiber: would need to wait until Aug19.

15:49:24 <AndyS> sandro: EricP possible? (Not here)

Sandro Hawke: EricP possible? (Not here)

15:49:41 <AndyS> sandro: will send him a note.

Sandro Hawke: will send him a note.

15:49:59 <AndyS> topic: tests for Concept and for Semantics

6. tests for Concept and for Semantics

15:50:54 <AndyS> andys: what about last WG tests?

Andy Seaborne: what about last WG tests?

15:51:22 <AndyS> sandro: semantics -- take old test suite and check it + add tests

Sandro Hawke: semantics -- take old test suite and check it + add tests

15:51:49 <AndyS> ... concepts -- find every MUST and write test.

... concepts -- find every MUST and write test.

15:52:09 <AndyS> ... (definitions !=> tests)

... (definitions !=> tests)

15:52:54 <AndyS> guus: TTL test suite may contains some concept tests

Guus Schreiber: TTL test suite may contains some concept tests

15:53:14 <Zakim> +EricP

Zakim IRC Bot: +EricP

15:53:18 <AndyS> andys: None for rdf:langString and simple literals === xsd:String

Andy Seaborne: None for rdf:langString and simple literals === xsd:String

15:53:52 <AndyS> sandro: TTL+concepts 1.0 != TTL+concepts 1.1

Sandro Hawke: TTL+concepts 1.0 != TTL+concepts 1.1

15:54:01 <AndyS> ... add JSON-LD version of tests.

... add JSON-LD version of tests.

15:54:02 <AndyS> q+

q+

15:54:19 <AndyS> ... add trig version of tests.

... add trig version of tests.

15:54:22 <ivan> q+

Ivan Herman: q+

15:55:33 <ivan> ack AndyS

Ivan Herman: ack AndyS

15:56:02 <AndyS> andys: is there an editor?

Andy Seaborne: is there an editor?

15:56:07 <AndyS> guus: not currently

Guus Schreiber: not currently

15:56:16 <AndyS> sandro: we may not get one

Sandro Hawke: we may not get one

15:56:30 <AndyS> ack me

ack me

15:57:06 <ivan> q-

Ivan Herman: q-

15:57:36 <AndyS> sandro: document what needs to be done in email - ask for volunteers

Sandro Hawke: document what needs to be done in email - ask for volunteers

15:58:35 <AndyS> * check exists WG tests

* check exists WG tests

15:58:50 <AndyS> * check existing WG tests

* check existing WG tests

15:59:15 <AndyS> * check concepts for "MUST" items and make a test for each

* check concepts for "MUST" items and make a test for each

15:59:22 <AndyS> (other??)

(other??)

15:59:54 <AndyS> ericP: will do when someone confirms with gavinc

Eric Prud'hommeaux: will do when someone confirms with gavinc

16:00:16 <AndyS> guus: EricP - please announce Turtle tests

Guus Schreiber: EricP - please announce Turtle tests

16:01:48 <AndyS> ericP: will go to public lists + people who have submitted already

Eric Prud'hommeaux: will go to public lists + people who have submitted already

16:02:49 <AndyS> * check TTL tests for ones that are really concept/semantic tests

* check TTL tests for ones that are really concept/semantic tests

16:03:11 <AndyS> * add tests for changes due to semantics

* add tests for changes due to semantics

16:03:40 <ericP> e.g. "asdf" = "asdf"^^xsd:string

Eric Prud'hommeaux: e.g. "asdf" = "asdf"^^xsd:string

16:04:14 <AndyS> guus: will put C+S tests on agenda for next time.

Guus Schreiber: will put C+S tests on agenda for next time.

16:04:14 <AndyS> ...

...

15:58:50 <AndyS> ... * check existing WG tests from last WG:

... * check existing WG tests from last WG:

15:59:15 <AndyS> ... * check concepts for "MUST" items and make a test for each

... * check concepts for "MUST" items and make a test for each

16:02:49 <AndyS> ... * check TTL tests for ones that are really concept/semantic tests

... * check TTL tests for ones that are really concept/semantic tests

16:03:11 <AndyS> ... * add tests for changes due to semantics

... * add tests for changes due to semantics

16:04:19 <AndyS> guus: AOB?

Guus Schreiber: AOB?

16:04:19 <ivan> q+

Ivan Herman: q+

16:04:30 <ivan> zakim, unmute me

Ivan Herman: zakim, unmute me

16:04:30 <Zakim> Ivan should no longer be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: Ivan should no longer be muted

16:04:38 <Guus> ack ivan

Guus Schreiber: ack ivan

16:05:23 <AndyS> ivan: some things in concepts e.g. skolemization, equivalence of graphs and datasets

Ivan Herman: some things in concepts e.g. skolemization, equivalence of graphs and datasets

16:05:52 <AndyS> ... are datatype reflected in Turtle test?

... are datatype reflected in Turtle test?

16:06:38 <Zakim> -Sandro

Zakim IRC Bot: -Sandro

16:06:58 <zwu2> got to go. bye.

Zhe Wu: got to go. bye.

16:07:03 <Zakim> -zwu2

Zakim IRC Bot: -zwu2

16:07:12 <Zakim> -Souri

Zakim IRC Bot: -Souri

16:08:16 <AndyS> ivan: RDFa tests worked by showing a SPARQL test

Ivan Herman: RDFa tests worked by showing a SPARQL test

16:09:08 <ivan> bye!

Ivan Herman: bye!

16:09:13 <Zakim> -Ivan

Zakim IRC Bot: -Ivan

16:09:36 <AndyS> ADJOURNRED

ADJOURNRED

16:09:47 <Zakim> SW_RDFWG()11:00AM has ended

Zakim IRC Bot: SW_RDFWG()11:00AM has ended

16:09:47 <Zakim> Attendees were Guus_Schreiber, TallTed, AndyS, Ivan, Antoine, Sandro, zwu2, Souri, EricP

Zakim IRC Bot: Attendees were Guus_Schreiber, TallTed, AndyS, Ivan, Antoine, Sandro, zwu2, Souri, EricP



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