15:04:16 <Guus> zakim, who is here?
Guus Schreiber: zakim, who is here? ←
15:04:16 <Zakim> On the phone I see Guus_Schreiber, TallTed (muted), Antoine (muted), AndyS, Ivan (muted)
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see Guus_Schreiber, TallTed (muted), Antoine (muted), AndyS, Ivan (muted) ←
15:04:19 <Zakim> On IRC I see RRSAgent, Guus, TallTed, ivan, AndyS, davidwood, yvesr, manu, trackbot, sandro, ericP
Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see RRSAgent, Guus, TallTed, ivan, AndyS, davidwood, yvesr, manu, trackbot, sandro, ericP ←
15:04:40 <ivan> :-)
Ivan Herman: :-) ←
15:05:15 <AndyS> scribenick: AndyS
(Scribe set to Andy Seaborne)
15:05:25 <AndyS> scribe: Andy Seaborne
15:06:08 <AndyS> topic: admin
15:06:28 <AndyS> Minutes from last time -- https://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/rdf-wg/2013-07-24
Minutes from last time -- https://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/rdf-wg/2013-07-24 ←
15:06:43 <Zakim> +Sandro
Zakim IRC Bot: +Sandro ←
15:06:45 <AndyS> RESOLVED: Accept minutes https://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/rdf-wg/2013-07-24
RESOLVED: Accept minutes https://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/rdf-wg/2013-07-24 ←
15:07:38 <AndyS> subtopic: Action items
15:08:04 <AndyS> Action-281?
15:08:04 <trackbot> ACTION-281 -- Gavin Carothers to provide sandro text for http://www.w3.org/TR/turtle/tests/ to NOT say it's the test suite -- due 2013-07-31 -- OPEN
Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-281 -- Gavin Carothers to provide sandro text for http://www.w3.org/TR/turtle/tests/ to NOT say it's the test suite -- due 2013-07-31 -- OPEN ←
15:08:04 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/track/actions/281
Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/track/actions/281 ←
15:08:22 <AndyS> action not done.
action not done. ←
15:08:22 <trackbot> Error finding 'not'. You can review and register nicknames at <http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/track/users>.
Trackbot IRC Bot: Error finding 'not'. You can review and register nicknames at <http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/track/users>. ←
15:08:35 <AndyS> action-277?
15:08:35 <trackbot> ACTION-277 -- Guus Schreiber to write blog post and do out reach on publication of Concepts and Semantics -- due 2013-07-10 -- OPEN
Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-277 -- Guus Schreiber to write blog post and do out reach on publication of Concepts and Semantics -- due 2013-07-10 -- OPEN ←
15:08:35 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/track/actions/277
Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/track/actions/277 ←
15:08:52 <AndyS> guus: Was on holiday when the docs came out.
Guus Schreiber: Was on holiday when the docs came out. ←
15:09:37 <AndyS> ... will write a blog post.
... will write a blog post. ←
15:10:00 <AndyS> subtopic: Next meeting
15:10:14 <AndyS> 2 weeks then return to regular weekly schedule.
2 weeks then return to regular weekly schedule. ←
15:10:24 <AndyS> topic: Documents status
15:11:05 <AndyS> guus: Need to wrap up lang docs to make publication ready
Guus Schreiber: Need to wrap up lang docs to make publication ready ←
15:12:06 <ivan> zakim, unmute me
Ivan Herman: zakim, unmute me ←
15:12:06 <Zakim> Ivan should no longer be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: Ivan should no longer be muted ←
15:12:08 <AndyS> andys: Expect comments needing to be addressed (based on previous drafts)
Andy Seaborne: Expect comments needing to be addressed (based on previous drafts) ←
15:12:58 <AndyS> guus: Is this(TriG) the main bottleneck currently?
Guus Schreiber: Is this(TriG) the main bottleneck currently? ←
15:13:11 <Zakim> + +1.619.663.aaaa
Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.619.663.aaaa ←
15:13:17 <AndyS> ivan: also the RDF tests for CR.
Ivan Herman: also the RDF tests for CR. ←
15:13:24 <zwu2> zakim, +1.619.663.aaaa is me
Zhe Wu: zakim, +1.619.663.aaaa is me ←
15:13:24 <Zakim> +zwu2; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +zwu2; got it ←
15:13:43 <AndyS> sandro: I expect comments around Named Graphs.
Sandro Hawke: I expect comments around Named Graphs. ←
15:13:59 <AndyS> guus: that is comments on concepts
Guus Schreiber: that is comments on concepts ←
15:14:03 <Zakim> +Souri
Zakim IRC Bot: +Souri ←
15:14:35 <ivan> zakim, mute me
Ivan Herman: zakim, mute me ←
15:14:35 <Zakim> Ivan should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: Ivan should now be muted ←
15:14:58 <AndyS> topic: TriG
15:15:24 <AndyS> guus: unclear to me from minutes of last time.
Guus Schreiber: unclear to me from minutes of last time. ←
15:15:51 <AndyS> guus: sandro?
Guus Schreiber: sandro? ←
15:19:16 <AndyS> sandro: New language would be through a different route.
Sandro Hawke: New language would be through a different route. ←
15:20:56 <AndyS> andys: I agree that was the outcome
Andy Seaborne: I agree that was the outcome ←
15:21:32 <AndyS> guus: TriG status - WD ahead of last published, but more work to do.
Guus Schreiber: TriG status - WD ahead of last published, but more work to do. ←
15:22:02 <AndyS> sandro: need to check with Gavin.
Sandro Hawke: need to check with Gavin. ←
15:22:20 <AndyS> guus: Gavin is critical ... add 2nd editor?
Guus Schreiber: Gavin is critical ... add 2nd editor? ←
15:24:01 <AndyS> ACTION AndyS: check with Gavin on status and see if 2nd editor is helpful (and where)
ACTION AndyS: check with Gavin on status and see if 2nd editor is helpful (and where) ←
15:24:01 <trackbot> Created ACTION-282 - Check with Gavin on status and see if 2nd editor is helpful (and where) [on Andy Seaborne - due 2013-08-14].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-282 - Check with Gavin on status and see if 2nd editor is helpful (and where) [on Andy Seaborne - due 2013-08-14]. ←
15:25:11 <AndyS> guus: relationship on syntaxes?
Guus Schreiber: relationship on syntaxes? ←
15:25:34 <AndyS> ... e.g. Turtle subset of TriG
... e.g. Turtle subset of TriG ←
15:25:57 <AndyS> sandro: not enough support for N-Quads subset of TriG
Sandro Hawke: not enough support for N-Quads subset of TriG ←
15:28:01 <AndyS> andys: my Q last week - how do you tell its this profile? (MIME type? other?)
Andy Seaborne: my Q last week - how do you tell its this profile? (MIME type? other?) ←
15:29:01 <AndyS> guus: and n-triples?
Guus Schreiber: and n-triples? ←
15:29:20 <AndyS> sandro: media type (scribe - it's in the NT doc)
Sandro Hawke: media type (scribe - it's in the NT doc) ←
15:29:41 <AndyS> ... could do the same for N-Quads
... could do the same for N-Quads ←
15:31:28 <AndyS> guus: current practice is n-quads as in WD
Guus Schreiber: current practice is n-quads as in WD ←
15:31:39 <AndyS> ... are we creating a mess?
... are we creating a mess? ←
15:33:11 <AndyS> ... in a few years time?
... in a few years time? ←
15:33:14 <ivan> zakim, unmute me
Ivan Herman: zakim, unmute me ←
15:33:14 <Zakim> Ivan should no longer be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: Ivan should no longer be muted ←
15:34:00 <AndyS> andys: while not ideal, it is what the community is doing today
Andy Seaborne: while not ideal, it is what the community is doing today ←
15:34:48 <AndyS> sandro: hear people say NQ is used today.
Sandro Hawke: hear people say NQ is used today. ←
15:34:51 <AndyS> q+
q+ ←
15:35:44 <ivan> zakim, mute me
Ivan Herman: zakim, mute me ←
15:35:44 <Zakim> Ivan should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: Ivan should now be muted ←
15:37:24 <AndyS> guus: suggestion -- TriG derived format (with different name?)
Guus Schreiber: suggestion -- TriG derived format (with different name?) ←
15:39:46 <AndyS> sandro: want a clear story for marketing
Sandro Hawke: want a clear story for marketing ←
15:40:07 <AndyS> guus: Common name for Turtle/TriG?
Guus Schreiber: Common name for Turtle/TriG? ←
15:40:30 <AndyS> sandro: TurtleG is Turtle+graphs which is now outside WG.
Sandro Hawke: TurtleG is Turtle+graphs which is now outside WG. ←
15:41:52 <AndyS> guus: want good story
Guus Schreiber: want good story ←
15:42:57 <AndyS> guus: design syntax then decide name.
Guus Schreiber: design syntax then decide name. ←
15:44:56 <AndyS> andys: will formally object to calling an incompatible syntax "N-Quads"
Andy Seaborne: will formally object to calling an incompatible syntax "N-Quads" ←
15:45:41 <AndyS> ... there is no evidence for usage for a new format - it's all new design.
... there is no evidence for usage for a new format - it's all new design. ←
15:45:55 <AndyS> topic: Comments on Concepts and on Semantics
15:46:29 <AndyS> guus: one comment raised (David Booth re generalized RDF) ... editorial discussion
Guus Schreiber: one comment raised (David Booth re generalized RDF) ... editorial discussion ←
15:46:38 <AndyS> topic: Turtle tests
15:47:21 <AndyS> guus: Turtle tests have not been announced
Guus Schreiber: Turtle tests have not been announced ←
15:47:35 <AndyS> ... should we take this over?
... should we take this over? ←
15:48:21 <AndyS> sandro: ask gavin ... and we would need someone willing to help out
Sandro Hawke: ask gavin ... and we would need someone willing to help out ←
15:48:38 <AndyS> guus: sandro? can you help?
Guus Schreiber: sandro? can you help? ←
15:48:51 <AndyS> sandro: I'm swapped out on this one.
Sandro Hawke: I'm swapped out on this one. ←
15:49:06 <AndyS> guus: would need to wait until Aug19.
Guus Schreiber: would need to wait until Aug19. ←
15:49:24 <AndyS> sandro: EricP possible? (Not here)
Sandro Hawke: EricP possible? (Not here) ←
15:49:41 <AndyS> sandro: will send him a note.
Sandro Hawke: will send him a note. ←
15:49:59 <AndyS> topic: tests for Concept and for Semantics
15:50:54 <AndyS> andys: what about last WG tests?
Andy Seaborne: what about last WG tests? ←
15:51:22 <AndyS> sandro: semantics -- take old test suite and check it + add tests
Sandro Hawke: semantics -- take old test suite and check it + add tests ←
15:51:49 <AndyS> ... concepts -- find every MUST and write test.
... concepts -- find every MUST and write test. ←
15:52:09 <AndyS> ... (definitions !=> tests)
... (definitions !=> tests) ←
15:52:54 <AndyS> guus: TTL test suite may contains some concept tests
Guus Schreiber: TTL test suite may contains some concept tests ←
15:53:14 <Zakim> +EricP
Zakim IRC Bot: +EricP ←
15:53:18 <AndyS> andys: None for rdf:langString and simple literals === xsd:String
Andy Seaborne: None for rdf:langString and simple literals === xsd:String ←
15:53:52 <AndyS> sandro: TTL+concepts 1.0 != TTL+concepts 1.1
Sandro Hawke: TTL+concepts 1.0 != TTL+concepts 1.1 ←
15:54:01 <AndyS> ... add JSON-LD version of tests.
... add JSON-LD version of tests. ←
15:54:02 <AndyS> q+
q+ ←
15:54:19 <AndyS> ... add trig version of tests.
... add trig version of tests. ←
15:54:22 <ivan> q+
Ivan Herman: q+ ←
15:55:33 <ivan> ack AndyS
Ivan Herman: ack AndyS ←
15:56:02 <AndyS> andys: is there an editor?
Andy Seaborne: is there an editor? ←
15:56:07 <AndyS> guus: not currently
Guus Schreiber: not currently ←
15:56:16 <AndyS> sandro: we may not get one
Sandro Hawke: we may not get one ←
15:56:30 <AndyS> ack me
ack me ←
15:57:06 <ivan> q-
Ivan Herman: q- ←
15:57:36 <AndyS> sandro: document what needs to be done in email - ask for volunteers
Sandro Hawke: document what needs to be done in email - ask for volunteers ←
15:58:35 <AndyS> * check exists WG tests
* check exists WG tests ←
15:58:50 <AndyS> * check existing WG tests
* check existing WG tests ←
15:59:15 <AndyS> * check concepts for "MUST" items and make a test for each
* check concepts for "MUST" items and make a test for each ←
15:59:22 <AndyS> (other??)
(other??) ←
15:59:54 <AndyS> ericP: will do when someone confirms with gavinc
Eric Prud'hommeaux: will do when someone confirms with gavinc ←
16:00:16 <AndyS> guus: EricP - please announce Turtle tests
Guus Schreiber: EricP - please announce Turtle tests ←
16:01:48 <AndyS> ericP: will go to public lists + people who have submitted already
Eric Prud'hommeaux: will go to public lists + people who have submitted already ←
16:02:49 <AndyS> * check TTL tests for ones that are really concept/semantic tests
* check TTL tests for ones that are really concept/semantic tests ←
16:03:11 <AndyS> * add tests for changes due to semantics
* add tests for changes due to semantics ←
16:03:40 <ericP> e.g. "asdf" = "asdf"^^xsd:string
Eric Prud'hommeaux: e.g. "asdf" = "asdf"^^xsd:string ←
16:04:14 <AndyS> guus: will put C+S tests on agenda for next time.
Guus Schreiber: will put C+S tests on agenda for next time. ←
16:04:14 <AndyS> ...
... ←
15:58:50 <AndyS> ... * check existing WG tests from last WG:
... * check existing WG tests from last WG: ←
15:59:15 <AndyS> ... * check concepts for "MUST" items and make a test for each
... * check concepts for "MUST" items and make a test for each ←
16:02:49 <AndyS> ... * check TTL tests for ones that are really concept/semantic tests
... * check TTL tests for ones that are really concept/semantic tests ←
16:03:11 <AndyS> ... * add tests for changes due to semantics
... * add tests for changes due to semantics ←
16:04:19 <AndyS> guus: AOB?
Guus Schreiber: AOB? ←
16:04:19 <ivan> q+
Ivan Herman: q+ ←
16:04:30 <ivan> zakim, unmute me
Ivan Herman: zakim, unmute me ←
16:04:30 <Zakim> Ivan should no longer be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: Ivan should no longer be muted ←
16:04:38 <Guus> ack ivan
Guus Schreiber: ack ivan ←
16:05:23 <AndyS> ivan: some things in concepts e.g. skolemization, equivalence of graphs and datasets
Ivan Herman: some things in concepts e.g. skolemization, equivalence of graphs and datasets ←
16:05:52 <AndyS> ... are datatype reflected in Turtle test?
... are datatype reflected in Turtle test? ←
16:06:38 <Zakim> -Sandro
Zakim IRC Bot: -Sandro ←
16:06:58 <zwu2> got to go. bye.
16:07:03 <Zakim> -zwu2
Zakim IRC Bot: -zwu2 ←
16:07:12 <Zakim> -Souri
Zakim IRC Bot: -Souri ←
16:08:16 <AndyS> ivan: RDFa tests worked by showing a SPARQL test
Ivan Herman: RDFa tests worked by showing a SPARQL test ←
16:09:08 <ivan> bye!
Ivan Herman: bye! ←
16:09:13 <Zakim> -Ivan
Zakim IRC Bot: -Ivan ←
16:09:36 <AndyS> ADJOURNRED
ADJOURNRED ←
16:09:47 <Zakim> SW_RDFWG()11:00AM has ended
Zakim IRC Bot: SW_RDFWG()11:00AM has ended ←
16:09:47 <Zakim> Attendees were Guus_Schreiber, TallTed, AndyS, Ivan, Antoine, Sandro, zwu2, Souri, EricP
Zakim IRC Bot: Attendees were Guus_Schreiber, TallTed, AndyS, Ivan, Antoine, Sandro, zwu2, Souri, EricP ←
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