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15:01:38 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be 73394
15:01:38 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see SW_RDFWG()11:00AM scheduled to start now
15:01:39 <trackbot> Meeting: RDF Working Group Teleconference
15:01:39 <trackbot> Date: 07 August 2013
15:02:30 <TallTed> Zakim, this is rdf
15:02:30 <Zakim> ok, TallTed; that matches SW_RDFWG()11:00AM
15:02:34 <TallTed> Zakim, who's here?
15:02:35 <Zakim> On the phone I see Guus_Schreiber, OpenLink_Software, ??P8, [IPcaller]
15:02:35 <Zakim> On IRC I see RRSAgent, Guus, TallTed, ivan, AndyS, davidwood, yvesr, manu, trackbot, sandro, ericP
15:02:42 <TallTed> Zakim, OpenLink_Software is temporarily me
15:02:42 <Zakim> +TallTed; got it
15:02:43 <AndyS> zakim, ipcaller is me
15:02:44 <TallTed> Zakim, mute me
15:02:44 <Zakim> +AndyS; got it
15:02:44 <Zakim> TallTed should now be muted
15:03:07 <ivan> zakim, dial ivan-voip
15:03:07 <Zakim> ok, ivan; the call is being made
15:03:08 <Zakim> +Ivan
15:03:14 <AndyS> zakim, ??P8 is Antoine
15:03:15 <Zakim> +Antoine; got it
15:03:22 <ivan> zakim, mute me
15:03:22 <Zakim> Ivan should now be muted
15:04:16 <Guus> zakim, who is here?
15:04:16 <Zakim> On the phone I see Guus_Schreiber, TallTed (muted), Antoine (muted), AndyS, Ivan (muted)
15:04:19 <Zakim> On IRC I see RRSAgent, Guus, TallTed, ivan, AndyS, davidwood, yvesr, manu, trackbot, sandro, ericP
15:04:40 <ivan> :-)
15:05:15 <AndyS> nickscribe: AndyS
15:05:25 <AndyS> scribe: Andy Seaborne
15:06:08 <AndyS> topic: admin
15:06:28 <AndyS> Minutes from last time -- https://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/rdf-wg/2013-07-24
15:06:43 <Zakim> +Sandro
15:06:45 <AndyS> RESOLVED: Accept minutes https://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/rdf-wg/2013-07-24
15:07:38 <AndyS> subtopic: Action items
15:08:04 <AndyS> Action-281?
15:08:04 <trackbot> ACTION-281 -- Gavin Carothers to provide sandro text for http://www.w3.org/TR/turtle/tests/ to NOT say it's the test suite -- due 2013-07-31 -- OPEN
15:08:04 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/track/actions/281
15:08:22 <AndyS> action not done.
15:08:22 <trackbot> Error finding 'not'. You can review and register nicknames at <http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/track/users>.
15:08:35 <AndyS> action-277?
15:08:35 <trackbot> ACTION-277 -- Guus Schreiber to write blog post and do out reach on publication of Concepts and Semantics -- due 2013-07-10 -- OPEN
15:08:35 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/track/actions/277
15:08:52 <AndyS> guus: Was on holiday when the docs came out.
15:09:37 <AndyS> ... will write a blog post.
15:10:00 <AndyS> subtopic: Next meeting
15:10:14 <AndyS> 2 weeks then return to regular weekly schedule.
15:10:24 <AndyS> topic: Documents status
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15:11:05 <AndyS> guus: Need to wrap up lang docs to make publication ready
15:12:06 <ivan> zakim, unmute me
15:12:06 <Zakim> Ivan should no longer be muted
15:12:08 <AndyS> andys: Expect comments needing to be addressed (based on previous drafts)
15:12:58 <AndyS> guus: Is this(TriG) the main bottleneck currently?
15:13:11 <Zakim> + +1.619.663.aaaa
15:13:17 <AndyS> ivan: also the RDF tests for CR.
15:13:24 <zwu2> zakim, +1.619.663.aaaa is me
15:13:24 <Zakim> +zwu2; got it
15:13:43 <AndyS> sandro: I expect comments around Named Graphs.
15:13:59 <AndyS> guus: that is comments on concepts
15:14:03 <Zakim> +Souri
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15:14:35 <ivan> zakim, mute me
15:14:35 <Zakim> Ivan should now be muted
15:14:58 <AndyS> topic: TriG
15:15:24 <AndyS> guus: unclear to me from minutes of last time.
15:15:51 <AndyS> guus: sandro?
15:19:16 <AndyS> sandro: New language would be through a different route.
15:20:56 <AndyS> andys: I agree that was the outcome
15:21:32 <AndyS> guus: TriG status - WD ahead of last published, but more work to do.
15:22:02 <AndyS> sandro: need to check with Gavin.
15:22:20 <AndyS> guus: Gavin is critical ... add 2nd editor?
15:24:01 <AndyS> ACTION AndyS: check with Gavin on status and see if 2nd editor is helpful (and where)
15:24:01 <trackbot> Created ACTION-282 - Check with Gavin on status and see if 2nd editor is helpful (and where) [on Andy Seaborne - due 2013-08-14].
15:25:11 <AndyS> guus: relationship on syntaxes?
15:25:34 <AndyS> ... e.g. Turtle subset of TriG
15:25:57 <AndyS> sandro: not enough support for N-Quads subset of TriG
15:28:01 <AndyS> andys: my Q last week - how do you tell its this profile? (MIME type? other?)
15:29:01 <AndyS> guus: and n-triples?
15:29:20 <AndyS> sandro: media type (scribe - it's in the NT doc)
15:29:41 <AndyS> ... could do the same for N-Quads
15:31:28 <AndyS> guus: current practice is n-quads as in WD
15:31:39 <AndyS> ... are we creating a mess?
15:33:11 <AndyS> ... in a few years time?
15:33:14 <ivan> zakim, unmute me
15:33:14 <Zakim> Ivan should no longer be muted
15:34:00 <AndyS> andys: while not ideal, it is what the community is doing today
15:34:48 <AndyS> sandro: hear people say NQ is used today.
15:34:51 <AndyS> q+
15:35:44 <ivan> zakim, mute me
15:35:44 <Zakim> Ivan should now be muted
15:37:24 <AndyS> guus: suggestion -- TriG derived format (with different name?)
15:39:46 <AndyS> sandro: want a clear story for marketing
15:40:07 <AndyS> guus: Common name for Turtle/TriG?
15:40:30 <AndyS> sandro: TurtleG is Turtle+graphs which is now outside WG.
15:41:52 <AndyS> guus: want good story
15:42:57 <AndyS> guus: design syntax then decide name.
15:44:56 <AndyS> andys: will formally object to calling an incompatible syntax "N-Quads"
15:45:41 <AndyS> ... there is no evidence for usage for a new format - it's all new design.
15:45:55 <AndyS> topic: Comments on Concepts and on Semantics
15:46:29 <AndyS> guus: one comment raised (David Booth re generalized  RDF) ... editorial discussion
15:46:38 <AndyS> topic: tests
15:47:14 <ivan> no
15:47:21 <AndyS> guus: Turtle tests have not been announced
15:47:35 <AndyS> ... should we take this over?
15:48:21 <AndyS> sandro: ask gavin ... and we would need someone willing to help out
15:48:38 <AndyS> guus: sandro? can you help?
15:48:51 <AndyS> sandro: I'm swapped out on this one.
15:49:06 <AndyS> guus: would need to wait until Aug19.
15:49:24 <AndyS> sandro: EricP possible? (Not here)
15:49:41 <AndyS> sandro: will send him a note.
15:49:59 <AndyS> topic: tests for Concept and for Semantics
15:50:54 <AndyS> andys: what about last WG tests?
15:51:22 <AndyS> sandro: semantics -- take old test suite and check it + add tests
15:51:49 <AndyS> ... concepts -- find every MUST and write test.
15:52:09 <AndyS> ... (definitions !=> tests)
15:52:54 <AndyS> guus: TTL test suite may contains some concept tests
15:53:14 <Zakim> +EricP
15:53:18 <AndyS> andys: None for rdf:langString and simple literals === xsd:String
15:53:52 <AndyS> sandro: TTL+concepts 1.0 != TTL+concepts 1.1
15:54:01 <AndyS> ... add JSON-LD version of tests.
15:54:02 <AndyS> q+
15:54:19 <AndyS> ... add trig version of tests.
15:54:22 <ivan> q+
15:55:33 <ivan> ack AndyS
15:56:02 <AndyS> andys: is there an editor?
15:56:07 <AndyS> guus: not currently
15:56:16 <AndyS> sandro: we may not get one
15:56:30 <AndyS> ack me
15:57:06 <ivan> q-
15:57:36 <AndyS> sandro: document what needs to be done in email - ask for volunteers
15:58:35 <AndyS> * check exists WG tests
15:58:50 <AndyS> * check existing WG tests
15:59:15 <AndyS> * check concepts for "MUST" items and make a test for each
15:59:22 <AndyS> (other??)
15:59:54 <AndyS> ericP: will do when someone confirms with gavinc
16:00:16 <AndyS> guus: EricP - please announce Turtle tests
16:01:48 <AndyS> ericP: will go to public lists + people who have submitted already
16:02:49 <AndyS> * check TTL tests for ones that are really concept/semantic tests
16:03:11 <AndyS> * add tests for changes due to semantics
16:03:40 <ericP> e.g. "asdf" = "asdf"^^xsd:string
16:04:14 <AndyS> guus: will put C+S tests on agenda for next time.
16:04:19 <AndyS> guus: AOB?
16:04:19 <ivan> q+
16:04:30 <ivan> zakim, unmute me
16:04:30 <Zakim> Ivan should no longer be muted
16:04:38 <Guus> ack ivan
16:05:23 <AndyS> ivan: some things in concepts e.g. skolemization, equivalence of graphs and datasets
16:05:52 <AndyS> ... are datatype reflected in Turtle test?
16:06:38 <Zakim> -Sandro
16:06:58 <zwu2> got to go. bye.
16:07:03 <Zakim> -zwu2
16:07:12 <Zakim> -Souri
16:08:16 <AndyS> ivan: RDFa tests worked by showing a SPARQL test
16:09:08 <ivan> bye!
16:09:13 <Zakim> -Ivan
16:09:36 <AndyS> ADJOURNRED
16:09:40 <Zakim> -AndyS
16:09:41 <Zakim> -EricP
16:09:41 <Zakim> -TallTed
16:09:43 <Zakim> -Guus_Schreiber
16:09:45 <Zakim> -Antoine
16:09:47 <Zakim> SW_RDFWG()11:00AM has ended
16:09:47 <Zakim> Attendees were Guus_Schreiber, TallTed, AndyS, Ivan, Antoine, Sandro, zwu2, Souri, EricP
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