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16:00:39 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see SW_RDFWG()11:00AM scheduled to start now
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16:00:40 <trackbot> Meeting: RDF Working Group Teleconference
16:00:40 <trackbot> Date: 30 January 2013
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16:01:05 <TallTed> Zakim, this is rdfwg
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16:01:08 <TallTed> Zakim, who's here?
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16:01:08 <Zakim> On the phone I see Guus_Schreiber, GavinC, OpenLink_Software, davidwood
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16:01:44 <Guus> chair: Guus
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16:02:45 <Guus> zakim, who's here?
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16:02:45 <Zakim> On the phone I see Guus_Schreiber, GavinC, TallTed (muted), davidwood, gkellogg, markus
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16:04:44 <ivan> zakim, dial ivan-voip
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16:06:03 <gkellogg> scribe: gkellogg
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16:07:41 <gkellogg> topic: Accept Minutes
16:07:50 <gkellogg> RESOLVED: accept minutes from last meeting
RESOLVED: accept minutes from last meeting ←
16:08:04 <gkellogg> topic: Action Items
16:08:17 <gkellogg> guus: response from eric, has been done.
Guus Schreiber: response from eric, has been done. ←
16:08:34 <Zakim> +EricP
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16:08:45 <Zakim> + +1.408.992.aaaa
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16:09:05 <pfps> zakim, aaaa is me
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16:09:05 <Zakim> +pfps; got it
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16:09:43 <gavinc> ericP, I don't think the At Risk change is done?
Gavin Carothers: ericP, I don't think the At Risk change is done? ←
16:10:32 <gkellogg> topic: Extension Request
16:10:55 <gkellogg> david: participation and timetable are both important.
David Wood: participation and timetable are both important. ←
16:11:07 <gkellogg> … formally, we can't meet next week until management accepts request.
… formally, we can't meet next week until management accepts request. ←
16:11:21 <gkellogg> ivan: technically yes, but never practiced.
Ivan Herman: technically yes, but never practiced. ←
16:11:44 <gkellogg> … we should not take a formal vote on proposed recombination next week.
… we should not take a formal vote on proposed recombination next week. ←
16:11:52 <gavinc> Oh, I think we can resolve ISSUEs
Gavin Carothers: Oh, I think we can resolve ISSUEs ←
16:11:54 <gkellogg> david: don't resolve anything until formally in session.
David Wood: don't resolve anything until formally in session. ←
16:11:59 <gavinc> Just don't publish documents ;)
Gavin Carothers: Just don't publish documents ;) ←
16:12:10 <gkellogg> ericp: don't slow down the process.
Eric Prud'hommeaux: don't slow down the process. ←
16:12:29 <gkellogg> david: anyone on call not put name in participation.
David Wood: anyone on call not put name in participation. ←
16:12:36 <gkellogg> pfps: I intend to continue.
Peter Patel-Schneider: I intend to continue. ←
16:12:53 <gavinc> http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/wiki/Rdf-extension.html the extension request
Gavin Carothers: http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/wiki/Rdf-extension.html the extension request ←
16:13:02 <gavinc> http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/wiki/Rdf-extension.html#Participation specifically
Gavin Carothers: http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/wiki/Rdf-extension.html#Participation specifically ←
16:13:05 <gkellogg> yvesr: me too.
Yves Raimond: me too. ←
16:13:26 <gavinc> and if it includes the editors of said documents ;)
Gavin Carothers: and if it includes the editors of said documents ;) ←
16:13:27 <gkellogg> david: we look like a stronger group to finish documents with a longer participation list..
David Wood: we look like a stronger group to finish documents with a longer participation list.. ←
16:13:32 <gkellogg> … Next issue is timetable...
… Next issue is timetable... ←
16:13:52 <gkellogg> … It looks like we need a fair amount of time between LC and end of LC review, then CR, PR and REC.
… It looks like we need a fair amount of time between LC and end of LC review, then CR, PR and REC. ←
16:14:19 <ivan> q+
Ivan Herman: q+ ←
16:14:22 <gkellogg> … If each are a couple of months delay, we need to produce LC versions quite early to finish by the end of the year. Beginning of March/April.
… If each are a couple of months delay, we need to produce LC versions quite early to finish by the end of the year. Beginning of March/April. ←
16:14:38 <ericP> gavinc, a week or two ago, I said I'd execute the At Risk text change at pub time
Eric Prud'hommeaux: gavinc, a week or two ago, I said I'd execute the At Risk text change at pub time ←
16:14:47 <gkellogg> … That is what I proposed in the extension request; what we think we can do within that time, vs. what will take longer.
… That is what I proposed in the extension request; what we think we can do within that time, vs. what will take longer. ←
16:14:58 <gkellogg> guus: mainly important for REC-track.
Guus Schreiber: mainly important for REC-track. ←
16:14:59 <gavinc> ericP, ah, okay, cool
Gavin Carothers: ericP, ah, okay, cool ←
16:15:08 <gkellogg> david: final notes listed as being completed by end of June.
David Wood: final notes listed as being completed by end of June. ←
16:15:34 <gkellogg> … Concern is that we've been waiting on Concepts to reference FPWD of Semantics.
… Concern is that we've been waiting on Concepts to reference FPWD of Semantics. ←
16:15:50 <gkellogg> … The lack of that draft has held up Concepts, and the Primer.
… The lack of that draft has held up Concepts, and the Primer. ←
16:15:59 <Zakim> +PatH
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16:16:06 <gkellogg> … Other documents may reference it as well. They'll need to wait for FPWD of Semantics.
… Other documents may reference it as well. They'll need to wait for FPWD of Semantics. ←
16:16:24 <gkellogg> … We need an FPWD of Semantics in February to have any hope of LC in March/April.
… We need an FPWD of Semantics in February to have any hope of LC in March/April. ←
16:16:26 <ericP> gavinc, I picked that plan 'cause I wasn't sure if At Risk was special to respec and I didn't want my understanding respec to be in the critical path for publication. if you want to execute this action, i can stage the pub after you're done
Eric Prud'hommeaux: gavinc, I picked that plan 'cause I wasn't sure if At Risk was special to respec and I didn't want my understanding respec to be in the critical path for publication. if you want to execute this action, i can stage the pub after you're done ←
16:16:35 <PatH> was that remark just aimed at me?
Patrick Hayes: was that remark just aimed at me? ←
16:17:16 <Guus> q+ to ask for whether support troops are needed
Guus Schreiber: q+ to ask for whether support troops are needed ←
16:17:26 <ivan> -> http://www.w3.org/Guide/predicting-milestones.html
Ivan Herman: -> http://www.w3.org/Guide/predicting-milestones.html ←
16:17:43 <gkellogg> ivan: This document makes it clear what is requested in terms of process.
Ivan Herman: This document makes it clear what is requested in terms of process. ←
16:17:53 <gkellogg> … In terms of process, we only have 2 restrictions (3).
… In terms of process, we only have 2 restrictions (3). ←
16:18:02 <gkellogg> … The last call comment period must be at least 3 weeks.
… The last call comment period must be at least 3 weeks. ←
16:18:13 <gkellogg> … The other is that the PR voting period must be at least 4 weeks.
… The other is that the PR voting period must be at least 4 weeks. ←
16:18:22 <gkellogg> … nothing else is required by process.
… nothing else is required by process. ←
16:18:39 <gkellogg> … It's up to us to see what is reasonable to achieve. If we expect many LC comments, we need to schedule more.
… It's up to us to see what is reasonable to achieve. If we expect many LC comments, we need to schedule more. ←
16:19:13 <gkellogg> … There's a 3rd milestone issue: for IPR reasons, there must be 6 months between FPWD and REC to allow companies time to disclose patents.
… There's a 3rd milestone issue: for IPR reasons, there must be 6 months between FPWD and REC to allow companies time to disclose patents. ←
16:20:01 <gkellogg> david: I was aware of those constraints when I layed out the schedule. Also that we've never turned documents around that fast before.
David Wood: I was aware of those constraints when I layed out the schedule. Also that we've never turned documents around that fast before. ←
16:20:21 <gkellogg> … The FPWD of these docs will come out within a month of LC, as they're rather trivial.
… The FPWD of these docs will come out within a month of LC, as they're rather trivial. ←
16:20:27 <Zakim> -pchampin
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16:20:40 <gkellogg> … Most key documents are fairly close.
… Most key documents are fairly close. ←
16:20:49 <gkellogg> … Adding 6 months to REC, we're not too far off.
… Adding 6 months to REC, we're not too far off. ←
16:20:55 <gkellogg> q?
q? ←
16:20:59 <Zakim> +??P13
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16:21:02 <Guus> ack ivan
Guus Schreiber: ack ivan ←
16:21:10 <davidwood> ack Guus
David Wood: ack Guus ←
16:21:10 <Zakim> Guus, you wanted to ask for whether support troops are needed
Zakim IRC Bot: Guus, you wanted to ask for whether support troops are needed ←
16:21:20 <PatH> I think I can guarantee to have a DRAFT semantics done by the end of February. That will be two documents, in fact.
Patrick Hayes: I think I can guarantee to have a DRAFT semantics done by the end of February. That will be two documents, in fact. ←
16:21:20 <gkellogg> guus: to pcps and path, I'm not sure how much time you have available.
Guus Schreiber: to pfps and path, I'm not sure how much time you have available. ←
16:21:21 <pchampin> zakim, ??P13 is me
Pierre-Antoine Champin: zakim, ??P13 is me ←
16:21:21 <Zakim> +pchampin; got it
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16:21:26 <gkellogg> s/pcps/pfps/
16:21:30 <pfps> Pat is the one that wants to make significant changes to the document. I'm happy with minimal changes.
Peter Patel-Schneider: Pat is the one that wants to make significant changes to the document. I'm happy with minimal changes. ←
16:21:36 <gkellogg> … would it be useful to have other people?
… would it be useful to have other people? ←
16:21:46 <pfps> The minimal changes would not take much time at all.
Peter Patel-Schneider: The minimal changes would not take much time at all. ←
16:21:56 <gkellogg> path: I think it could slow things down to add people.
Patrick Hayes: I think it could slow things down to add people. ←
16:22:12 <gkellogg> … I can guarantee by the end of February, I can have draft documents.
… I can guarantee by the end of February, I can have draft documents. ←
16:22:25 <gkellogg> … I plan to split Semantics into 2 docs, as previously discussed.
… I plan to split Semantics into 2 docs, as previously discussed. ←
16:23:00 <gkellogg> guus: if we have by end of Feb, we're in good shape.
Guus Schreiber: if we have by end of Feb, we're in good shape. ←
16:23:46 <gkellogg> david: I don't think we'll be able to do this, as current schedule has LC at end of March.
David Wood: I don't think we'll be able to do this, as current schedule has LC at end of March. ←
16:24:06 <gkellogg> … At a minimum we could publish FPWD and get an agreement to go to LC by early April.
… At a minimum we could publish FPWD and get an agreement to go to LC by early April. ←
16:24:26 <gkellogg> path: when do you need the document by?
Patrick Hayes: when do you need the document by? ←
16:24:54 <gkellogg> david: could we do a draft and put out as FPWD knowing it's not quite right, and publish so that we have something to reference from other documents, and proceed from there.
David Wood: could we do a draft and put out as FPWD knowing it's not quite right, and publish so that we have something to reference from other documents, and proceed from there. ←
16:25:05 <pfps> if we need a FPWD, then how about a version of the current document with technical changes only (which should be minimal)?
Peter Patel-Schneider: if we need a FPWD, then how about a version of the current document with technical changes only (which should be minimal)? ←
16:25:11 <gkellogg> … ASAP, of course.
… ASAP, of course. ←
16:25:34 <gkellogg> path: Okay, I can try that.
Patrick Hayes: Okay, I can try that. ←
16:25:43 <gkellogg> david: as soon as you can reasonably schedule it.
David Wood: as soon as you can reasonably schedule it. ←
16:25:59 <gkellogg> guus: to be realistic, we should postpone deadlines by a month.
Guus Schreiber: to be realistic, we should postpone deadlines by a month. ←
16:26:12 <gkellogg> … End of LC review doesn't need to be 2 months.
… End of LC review doesn't need to be 2 months. ←
16:27:16 <gkellogg> david: looking at the extension request, it's clear that we've promised to produce documents that are not yet written. Getting to FPWD quickly (not just Semantics), is key to unblocking RDF/XML.
David Wood: looking at the extension request, it's clear that we've promised to produce documents that are not yet written. Getting to FPWD quickly (not just Semantics), is key to unblocking RDF/XML. ←
16:27:42 <gkellogg> … path: semantics discussions are still crystalizing.
… path: semantics discussions are still crystalizing. ←
16:28:10 <Zakim> -Guus_Schreiber
Zakim IRC Bot: -Guus_Schreiber ←
16:28:14 <gkellogg> david: I have to say, I really appreciate PatH even being here.
David Wood: I have to say, I really appreciate PatH even being here. ←
16:28:58 <Zakim> +Guus_Schreiber
Zakim IRC Bot: +Guus_Schreiber ←
16:29:08 <gkellogg> david: question was, who's editing extension request.
David Wood: question was, who's editing extension request. ←
16:29:25 <gkellogg> … I believe we decided to move semantics back to April 1 and leave LC date in place.
… I believe we decided to move semantics back to April 1 and leave LC date in place. ←
16:29:45 <gkellogg> … End of LC comments on May 1.
… End of LC comments on May 1. ←
16:30:17 <gkellogg> ivan: any issue that may come up is such that we need to be very strong in that it is out of scope, or been discussed and closed.
Ivan Herman: any issue that may come up is such that we need to be very strong in that it is out of scope, or been discussed and closed. ←
16:30:33 <gkellogg> … For example BNodes as predicates; we need to be tough in responding to these.
… For example BNodes as predicates; we need to be tough in responding to these. ←
16:30:48 <gkellogg> … Also, literals as subjects.
… Also, literals as subjects. ←
16:31:07 <gkellogg> … We can imagine someone coming back with such a proposal.
… We can imagine someone coming back with such a proposal. ←
16:31:17 <gkellogg> david: how about moving to Quads?
David Wood: how about moving to Quads? ←
16:31:44 <ivan> q+
Ivan Herman: q+ ←
16:32:18 <davidwood> ack ivan
David Wood: ack ivan ←
16:32:37 <gavinc> ivan: Knowing the way JSON-LD sub group operates, is it possible to go directly from LC to PR?
Ivan Herman: Knowing the way JSON-LD sub group operates, is it possible to go directly from LC to PR? [ Scribe Assist by Gavin Carothers ] ←
16:32:46 <gavinc> ... do you need a CR phase?
Gavin Carothers: ... do you need a CR phase? ←
16:32:54 <gavinc> gkellogg: If the process allows that.
Gregg Kellogg: If the process allows that. [ Scribe Assist by Gavin Carothers ] ←
16:33:01 <gavinc> ivan: Yes, the process allows that.
Ivan Herman: Yes, the process allows that. [ Scribe Assist by Gavin Carothers ] ←
16:33:19 <gavinc> gkellogg: I'm sure we'll have a number of implementations that implement all the features
Gregg Kellogg: I'm sure we'll have a number of implementations that implement all the features [ Scribe Assist by Gavin Carothers ] ←
16:33:38 <gavinc> ... I think this group will want to review the final documents
Gavin Carothers: ... I think this group will want to review the final documents ←
16:33:45 <gavinc> ivan: that should be done before CR anyway
Ivan Herman: that should be done before CR anyway [ Scribe Assist by Gavin Carothers ] ←
16:34:00 <gkellogg> david: that leaves us with TriG, RDF/XML and Schema.
David Wood: that leaves us with TriG, RDF/XML and Schema. ←
16:34:16 <gkellogg> … RDF/XML and Schema should be easy updates, and we don't have FPWD.
… RDF/XML and Schema should be easy updates, and we don't have FPWD. ←
16:34:26 <gkellogg> … we should push editors to give us something in Febr.
… we should push editors to give us something in Febr. ←
16:34:35 <gkellogg> guus: not sure Danbri has much time.
Guus Schreiber: not sure Danbri has much time. ←
16:34:44 <gkellogg> david: he's said he'd do it.
David Wood: he's said he'd do it. ←
16:34:58 <gkellogg> … mostly an errata change, not difficult, just needs to be done.
… mostly an errata change, not difficult, just needs to be done. ←
16:35:27 <gkellogg> … RDF/XML also just has errata
… RDF/XML also just has errata ←
16:35:43 <gavinc> TriG! ... sigh...
Gavin Carothers: TriG! ... sigh... ←
16:35:48 <gkellogg> … That leaves TriG. It's a bit of a longer discussion.
… That leaves TriG. It's a bit of a longer discussion. ←
16:36:05 <gkellogg> … I put down April; we could try to speed it up, but I think we're more likely to get comments.
… I put down April; we could try to speed it up, but I think we're more likely to get comments. ←
16:36:19 <Zakim> -Ivan
Zakim IRC Bot: -Ivan ←
16:36:27 <gkellogg> … We have an Editors Draft, but no FPWD. Perhaps we can talk about getting it to FPWD, and how long to get to LC.
… We have an Editors Draft, but no FPWD. Perhaps we can talk about getting it to FPWD, and how long to get to LC. ←
16:36:28 <ivan> zakim, dial ivan-voip
Ivan Herman: zakim, dial ivan-voip ←
16:36:28 <Zakim> ok, ivan; the call is being made
Zakim IRC Bot: ok, ivan; the call is being made ←
16:36:29 <Zakim> +Ivan
Zakim IRC Bot: +Ivan ←
16:36:46 <gkellogg> gavinc: one reason we don't have one is that we keep changing decisions.
Gavin Carothers: one reason we don't have one is that we keep changing decisions. ←
16:36:52 <ivan> zakim, drop me
Ivan Herman: zakim, drop me ←
16:36:52 <Zakim> Ivan is being disconnected
Zakim IRC Bot: Ivan is being disconnected ←
16:36:54 <Zakim> -Ivan
Zakim IRC Bot: -Ivan ←
16:37:05 <ivan> zakim, dial ivan-voip
Ivan Herman: zakim, dial ivan-voip ←
16:37:05 <Zakim> ok, ivan; the call is being made
Zakim IRC Bot: ok, ivan; the call is being made ←
16:37:07 <Zakim> +Ivan
Zakim IRC Bot: +Ivan ←
16:37:24 <gkellogg> … I don't think it's an editing issue, it's that decisions need to stay firm. Concepts progress makes this easier.
… I don't think it's an editing issue, it's that decisions need to stay firm. Concepts progress makes this easier. ←
16:37:49 <gkellogg> david: I think we can assume we're okay. If we can decide in February, we can't publish at all.
David Wood: I think we can assume we're okay. If we can decide in February, we can't publish at all. ←
16:38:17 <gkellogg> gavinc: there's likely to be a lot of feedback, for example, it's unlikely to work with any current processor that calls itself TriG.
Gavin Carothers: there's likely to be a lot of feedback, for example, it's unlikely to work with any current processor that calls itself TriG. ←
16:38:30 <gkellogg> david: we don't need implementations to be compliant right now.
David Wood: we don't need implementations to be compliant right now. ←
16:38:50 <gkellogg> … how about a proposal to move TriG to FPWD today. We have quorum, and we're in Charter right now.
… how about a proposal to move TriG to FPWD today. We have quorum, and we're in Charter right now. ←
16:39:11 <gavinc> "There should likely be some content here."
Gavin Carothers: "There should likely be some content here." ←
16:39:18 <gkellogg> … That's not near LC, but we would have a draft, and could do it today.
… That's not near LC, but we would have a draft, and could do it today. ←
16:39:18 <gavinc> https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/rdf/raw-file/5719c55e71be/trig/index.html
Gavin Carothers: https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/rdf/raw-file/5719c55e71be/trig/index.html ←
16:39:34 <AndyS> +1 to FPWD
Andy Seaborne: +1 to FPWD ←
16:39:42 <ivan> +1
Ivan Herman: +1 ←
16:39:44 <gkellogg> +1
+1 ←
16:39:44 <yvesr> +1
Yves Raimond: +1 ←
16:39:47 <PatH> +1
Patrick Hayes: +1 ←
16:39:53 <davidwood> +1
David Wood: +1 ←
16:39:54 <zwu2> +1
16:39:57 <gavinc> +0.9
Gavin Carothers: +0.9 ←
16:40:01 <markus> +1
Markus Lanthaler: +1 ←
16:40:01 <pchampin> +1
16:40:04 <ericP> +1
Eric Prud'hommeaux: +1 ←
16:40:04 <TallTed> +1
Ted Thibodeau: +1 ←
16:40:10 <pfps> +1
16:40:17 <cgreer> +1
Charles Greer: +1 ←
16:40:31 <gkellogg> guus: I'd like an explicit vote from cygri.
Guus Schreiber: I'd like an explicit vote from cygri. ←
16:40:50 <gkellogg> david: we usually just take the decision and ping people who have an objection.
David Wood: we usually just take the decision and ping people who have an objection. ←
16:41:25 <gkellogg> gavinc: minor grammar changes.
Gavin Carothers: minor grammar changes. ←
16:42:32 <gkellogg> ericp: should we document the resolutions we've made about TriG in the WG.
Eric Prud'hommeaux: should we document the resolutions we've made about TriG in the WG. ←
16:42:42 <gkellogg> gavinc: everything we've decided is in the document right now.
Gavin Carothers: everything we've decided is in the document right now. ←
16:42:45 <ericP> Parsing Semantics Each turtleDoc produces an RDF graph according to the Turtle spec. The IRIref identifies the name of this RDF graph in an RDF dataset. If an IRIref is repeated, the associated RDF graphs are unioned according to the RDF Semantics document.
Eric Prud'hommeaux: Parsing Semantics Each turtleDoc produces an RDF graph according to the Turtle spec. The IRIref identifies the name of this RDF graph in an RDF dataset. If an IRIref is repeated, the associated RDF graphs are unioned according to the RDF Semantics document. ←
16:42:50 <Guus> RESOLVED to publish https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/rdf/raw-file/5719c55e71be/trig/index.html as FPWF for RDF TriG
Guus Schreiber: RESOLVED to publish https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/rdf/raw-file/5719c55e71be/trig/index.html as FPWD for RDF TriG ←
16:43:20 <gkellogg> gavinc: just have some content to paste into that section.
Gavin Carothers: just have some content to paste into that section. ←
16:43:45 <gkellogg> … three people to provide examples: prov, versions, web snapshots.
… three people to provide examples: prov, versions, web snapshots. ←
16:43:52 <gkellogg> … prov: path?
… prov: path? ←
16:44:00 <gkellogg> … Web snapshots: cygri?
… Web snapshots: cygri? ←
16:44:05 <gkellogg> … Versions: andys?
… Versions: andys? ←
16:44:14 <AndyS> Did I? Oh well.
Andy Seaborne: Did I? Oh well. ←
16:44:24 <AndyS> Can take a look.
Andy Seaborne: Can take a look. ←
16:44:43 <gkellogg> ericp: there was a related action to get people who wanted to document using named graphs for different purposes. That may be where the examples end up.
Eric Prud'hommeaux: there was a related action to get people who wanted to document using named graphs for different purposes. That may be where the examples end up. ←
16:44:47 <AndyS> q+
Andy Seaborne: q+ ←
16:45:00 <PatH> hmmm. to get us some context can you find a pointer to where I agreed to do that?
Patrick Hayes: hmmm. to get us some context can you find a pointer to where I agreed to do that? ←
16:45:00 <gkellogg> gavinc: we took a WD decision to remove examples from the doc.
Gavin Carothers: we took a WD decision to remove examples from the doc. ←
16:45:14 <gkellogg> … There were 10-15, but are now gone.
… There were 10-15, but are now gone. ←
16:45:32 <davidwood> s/FPWF for RDF TriG/FPWD for RDF TriG/
16:45:46 <gkellogg> ericp: I think that's okay; where you're going to have problems is describing different approaches for exhibiting semantics of named graphs.
Eric Prud'hommeaux: I think that's okay; where you're going to have problems is describing different approaches for exhibiting semantics of named graphs. ←
16:46:17 <gkellogg> … Want to avoid in critical path consensus about how to represent PROV and related issues.
… Want to avoid in critical path consensus about how to represent PROV and related issues. ←
16:46:41 <gkellogg> … Most of the examples are contentious, and better not be in a format document, but in some other semantics-like document.
… Most of the examples are contentious, and better not be in a format document, but in some other semantics-like document. ←
16:46:45 <PatH> best and worst practices?
Patrick Hayes: best and worst practices? ←
16:47:30 <gkellogg> … The proposal is that we don't wait for examples for FPWD.
… The proposal is that we don't wait for examples for FPWD. ←
16:47:40 <gkellogg> guus: general agreed.
Guus Schreiber: general agreed. ←
16:48:05 <gkellogg> … David did a lot of work on the extension request, thanks very much for keeping it together!
… David did a lot of work on the extension request, thanks very much for keeping it together! ←
16:48:22 <AndyS> q-
Andy Seaborne: q- ←
16:48:51 <gkellogg> andys: I agree, get FPWD of TriG out there.
Andy Seaborne: I agree, get FPWD of TriG out there. ←
16:48:57 <gkellogg> topic: Turtle
16:49:36 <gkellogg> guus: request sent out; target CR for Turtle on Feburary 12th.
Guus Schreiber: request sent out; target CR for Turtle on Feburary 12th. ←
16:49:55 <gkellogg> … Also need a response for ISSUE-186
… Also need a response for ISSUE-186 ←
16:50:11 <ivan> ISSUE-186?
16:50:11 <trackbot> ISSUE-186 does not exist.
Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-186 does not exist. ←
16:50:26 <davidwood> email to Richard sent regarding the TriG resolution.
David Wood: email to Richard sent regarding the TriG resolution. ←
16:50:41 <gavinc> I18N-ISSUE-186?
Gavin Carothers: I18N-ISSUE-186? ←
16:50:45 <gkellogg> ericp: we can move this along for a variety of reasons. The issue was, what do you call the document with character encodings, but we convinced them that this wasn't necessary.
Eric Prud'hommeaux: we can move this along for a variety of reasons. The issue was, what do you call the document with character encodings, but we convinced them that this wasn't necessary. ←
16:50:56 <gavinc> http://www.w3.org/International/track/issues/186
Gavin Carothers: http://www.w3.org/International/track/issues/186 ←
16:51:03 <gkellogg> … Procedurarlly, we can move along because it wasn't on comments list.
… Procedurarlly, we can move along because it wasn't on comments list. ←
16:51:21 <gkellogg> Topic: Semantics
16:51:38 <gkellogg> guus: it's not officially an issue, but ISSUE-62 is open.
Guus Schreiber: it's not officially an issue, but ISSUE-62 is open. ←
16:51:40 <Zakim> -Guus_Schreiber
Zakim IRC Bot: -Guus_Schreiber ←
16:51:48 <gkellogg> … PatH had a proposal.
… PatH had a proposal. ←
16:52:45 <gkellogg> PatH: It's a matter of making ill-formed literals problematic.
Patrick Hayes: It's a matter of making ill-formed literals problematic. ←
16:52:49 <pfps> 62 is not ill-typed literals
Peter Patel-Schneider: 62 is not ill-typed literals ←
16:52:49 <Zakim> +Guus_Schreiber
Zakim IRC Bot: +Guus_Schreiber ←
16:52:54 <gkellogg> … First time I've had negative feedback.
… First time I've had negative feedback. ←
16:53:07 <gkellogg> david: wrong issue, just a sec.
David Wood: wrong issue, just a sec. ←
16:53:10 <davidwood> ISSUE-62?
16:53:10 <trackbot> ISSUE-62 -- Revisit "The test cases manifest format has a semantic error" -- open
Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-62 -- Revisit "The test cases manifest format has a semantic error" -- open ←
16:53:10 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/track/issues/62
Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/track/issues/62 ←
16:54:06 <gkellogg> guus: I intended to discuss ISSUE-62.
Guus Schreiber: I intended to discuss ISSUE-62. ←
16:54:27 <gkellogg> … PatH had proposed some text to add to semantics. I think it's pretty simple.
… PatH had proposed some text to add to semantics. I think it's pretty simple. ←
16:55:34 <gkellogg> PatH: The definition of "semantic-extension" does not require that this be a problem, the test manifest has certain semantic extensions that make this not a problem, strictly speaking.
Patrick Hayes: The definition of "semantic-extension" does not require that this be a problem, the test manifest has certain semantic extensions that make this not a problem, strictly speaking. ←
16:55:49 <gkellogg> … I can take an editorial task to clarify this in the new document.
… I can take an editorial task to clarify this in the new document. ←
16:56:29 <gkellogg> PROPOSAL: résolve ISSUE-62 based on proposal?
PROPOSED: résolve ISSUE-62 based on proposal? ←
16:56:29 <PatH> semantic//syntactic
Patrick Hayes: semantic//syntactic ←
16:57:01 <pfps> +1
16:57:07 <PatH> +1
Patrick Hayes: +1 ←
16:57:16 <zwu2> +1
16:57:21 <Guus> PROPOSAL: to resolve ISSUE-62 through editorial action: The WG resolves to have some text in the semantics document where it explains the idea of a semantic extension, which says that RDF MAY be used in ways that presume conditions on RDF graphs that are not preserved under RDF entailment, and to use this as an example.
PROPOSED: to resolve ISSUE-62 through editorial action: The WG resolves to have some text in the semantics document where it explains the idea of a semantic extension, which says that RDF MAY be used in ways that presume conditions on RDF graphs that are not preserved under RDF entailment, and to use this as an example. ←
16:57:21 <davidwood> Proposal to close Issue 62 (see http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-wg/2013Jan/0107.html):
David Wood: Proposal to close ISSUE-62 (see http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-wg/2013Jan/0107.html): ←
16:57:21 <davidwood>
16:57:21 <davidwood> The WG resolves to have some text in the semantics document where it explains the idea of a semantic extension, which says that RDF MAY be used in ways that presume conditions on RDF graphs that are not preserved under RDF entailment, and to use this as an example.
David Wood: The WG resolves to have some text in the semantics document where it explains the idea of a semantic extension, which says that RDF MAY be used in ways that presume conditions on RDF graphs that are not preserved under RDF entailment, and to use this as an example. ←
16:57:27 <davidwood> +1
David Wood: +1 ←
16:57:29 <gkellogg> +1
+1 ←
16:57:34 <yvesr> +1
Yves Raimond: +1 ←
16:57:41 <TallTed> +1
Ted Thibodeau: +1 ←
16:57:42 <ivan> +1
Ivan Herman: +1 ←
16:57:45 <gavinc> +1
Gavin Carothers: +1 ←
16:57:46 <pchampin> +1
16:57:49 <AndyS> +1
Andy Seaborne: +1 ←
16:57:50 <cgreer> +1
Charles Greer: +1 ←
16:57:52 <markus> +1
Markus Lanthaler: +1 ←
16:57:56 <ericP> +0
Eric Prud'hommeaux: +0 ←
16:58:25 <Guus> RESOLVED: to close Issue 62 (see http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-wg/2013Jan/0107.html):
RESOLVED: to close ISSUE-62 (see http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-wg/2013Jan/0107.html): ←
16:58:42 <gkellogg> topic: ISSUE-109
16:59:25 <gkellogg> guus: cygri has no strong opinion.
Guus Schreiber: cygri has no strong opinion. ←
16:59:59 <Guus> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-wg/2013Jan/0066.html
Guus Schreiber: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-wg/2013Jan/0066.html ←
17:00:14 <gkellogg> PatH: he does feel strongly that it needs to be done some way.
Patrick Hayes: he does feel strongly that it needs to be done some way. ←
17:00:31 <pchampin> and for the record, so do I :)
Pierre-Antoine Champin: and for the record, so do I :) ←
17:00:33 <gkellogg> guus: also PatH's message from November
Guus Schreiber: also PatH's message from November ←
17:01:11 <gkellogg> PatH: making this change would simplify the rules at the end of the Semantics document quite a bit.
Patrick Hayes: making this change would simplify the rules at the end of the Semantics document quite a bit. ←
17:01:21 <ivan> ISSUE-109?
17:01:21 <trackbot> ISSUE-109 -- What's the consequence of a literal being ill-typed? -- open
Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-109 -- What's the consequence of a literal being ill-typed? -- open ←
17:01:21 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/track/issues/109
Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/track/issues/109 ←
17:01:33 <gkellogg> … Otherwise, they have to go around to do the same thing.
… Otherwise, they have to go around to do the same thing. ←
17:02:03 <pfps> OWL uses the "literals must be in the datatype extension" mechanism, so going the other way diverges from OWL
Peter Patel-Schneider: OWL uses the "literals must be in the datatype extension" mechanism, so going the other way diverges from OWL ←
17:02:14 <PatH> ivan, you have a problem?
Patrick Hayes: ivan, you have a problem? ←
17:02:15 <gkellogg> guus: Can we make PatH's Nov-13 message a propsal.
Guus Schreiber: Can we make PatH's Nov-13 message a propsal. ←
17:02:51 <PatH> peter, lets talk about this.
Patrick Hayes: peter, lets talk about this. ←
17:02:54 <gkellogg> guus: we already discussed document timeline. this issue is the only open issue for Semantics.
Guus Schreiber: we already discussed document timeline. this issue is the only open issue for Semantics. ←
17:03:19 <gkellogg> PatH: pfps and I should talk about this offline to minimize the effects.
Patrick Hayes: pfps and I should talk about this offline to minimize the effects. ←
17:03:27 <gkellogg> topic: cleanup
17:03:29 <pfps> I await a communication with baited breath.
Peter Patel-Schneider: I await a communication with baited breath. ←
17:03:38 <gkellogg> guus: we need to study feedback and handle errata.
Guus Schreiber: we need to study feedback and handle errata. ←
17:03:49 <gkellogg> … There's now a wiki page
… There's now a wiki page ←
17:04:17 <Guus> Wiki page: http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/wiki/Additional_Errata_and_Comments
Guus Schreiber: Wiki page: http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/wiki/Additional_Errata_and_Comments ←
17:04:23 <PatH> peter, email me with a pointer to the owl docs where this is used?
Patrick Hayes: peter, email me with a pointer to the owl docs where this is used? ←
17:04:56 <gkellogg> … This should be useful for the editors, next to the official errata page (link on Wiki)
… This should be useful for the editors, next to the official errata page (link on Wiki) ←
17:05:11 <gkellogg> … Some things might be obsolete, but this serves as a reminder.
… Some things might be obsolete, but this serves as a reminder. ←
17:05:28 <gkellogg> … We can now close ISSUE-3, and leave it to the editors.
… We can now close ISSUE-3, and leave it to the editors. ←
17:06:16 <gkellogg> … Issue was to review all the feedback.
… Issue was to review all the feedback. ←
17:06:39 <gkellogg> ivan: We could take them separately, but that would be overkill.
Ivan Herman: We could take them separately, but that would be overkill. ←
17:06:51 <gkellogg> guus: the bigger issues are separate issues on Tracker.
Guus Schreiber: the bigger issues are separate issues on Tracker. ←
17:07:39 <gkellogg> topic: Open issues
17:07:54 <gkellogg> … consider ISSUE-3 and ISSUE-6 closed.
… consider ISSUE-3 and ISSUE-6 closed. ←
17:08:16 <gkellogg> … Media types, deprecation of Reification, Primer, and Concepts
… Media types, deprecation of Reification, Primer, and Concepts ←
17:09:01 <gavinc> We can resolve issues, just not to publish documents
Gavin Carothers: We can resolve issues, just not to publish documents ←
17:09:02 <gkellogg> david: we can't resolve much next week; what would be on the agenda?
David Wood: we can't resolve much next week; what would be on the agenda? ←
17:09:16 <gkellogg> guus: we can resolve issues, just not going to REC.
Guus Schreiber: we can resolve issues, just not going to REC. ←
17:09:22 <PatH> q+
Patrick Hayes: q+ ←
17:09:32 <gkellogg> … ISSUE-109 for next week's agenda.
… ISSUE-109 for next week's agenda. ←
17:09:56 <gavinc> ISSUE-109?
17:09:56 <trackbot> ISSUE-109 -- What's the consequence of a literal being ill-typed? -- open
Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-109 -- What's the consequence of a literal being ill-typed? -- open ←
17:09:56 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/track/issues/109
Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/track/issues/109 ←
17:09:58 <gkellogg> … Reification can be discussed.
… Reification can be discussed. ←
17:10:08 <gavinc> ISSUE-25?
17:10:08 <trackbot> ISSUE-25 -- Should we deprecate (RDF 2004) reification of statements? -- open
Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-25 -- Should we deprecate (RDF 2004) reification of statements? -- open ←
17:10:08 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/track/issues/25
Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/track/issues/25 ←
17:10:26 <davidwood> RESOLVED: Close http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/track/issues/25 by saying that this WG will not deprecate reification of statements. We will note informatively in the RDF Schema spec that named graphs and RDF datasets are another mechanism to accomplish the same goals.
RESOLVED: Close http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/track/issues/25 by saying that this WG will not deprecate reification of statements. We will note informatively in the RDF Schema spec that named graphs and RDF datasets are another mechanism to accomplish the same goals. ←
17:11:16 <gkellogg> guus: what abound multi-graph media types?
Guus Schreiber: what abound multi-graph media types? ←
17:11:23 <gavinc> No, it couldn't.
Gavin Carothers: No, it couldn't. ←
17:11:25 <PatH> q-
Patrick Hayes: q- ←
17:11:50 <gavinc> @graph was proposed for Turtle, and rejected.
Gavin Carothers: @graph was proposed for Turtle, and rejected. ←
17:11:58 <gkellogg> ivan: If we open it back up, we'll be going on for another two months :(
Ivan Herman: If we open it back up, we'll be going on for another two months :( ←
17:12:09 <gkellogg> guus: start to review next week.
Guus Schreiber: start to review next week. ←
17:12:13 <PatH> i have to leave
Patrick Hayes: i have to leave ←
17:12:23 <Zakim> -PatH
Zakim IRC Bot: -PatH ←
17:12:42 <gkellogg> guus: by the end of the week chairs and staff will send out extension request.
Guus Schreiber: by the end of the week chairs and staff will send out extension request. ←
17:13:08 <gkellogg> david: treat TriG as done, unless cygri objects.
David Wood: treat TriG as done, unless cygri objects. ←
17:13:24 <gkellogg> … I can modify the extension request to say TriG is in FPWD, unless cygri objects.
… I can modify the extension request to say TriG is in FPWD, unless cygri objects. ←
17:13:45 <zwu2> bye
17:13:47 <Zakim> -pfps
Zakim IRC Bot: -pfps ←
17:13:48 <Zakim> -gkellogg
Zakim IRC Bot: -gkellogg ←
17:13:49 <Zakim> -davidwood
Zakim IRC Bot: -davidwood ←
17:13:50 <Zakim> -TallTed
Zakim IRC Bot: -TallTed ←
17:13:51 <Zakim> -Ivan
Zakim IRC Bot: -Ivan ←
17:13:51 <Zakim> -Guus_Schreiber
Zakim IRC Bot: -Guus_Schreiber ←
17:13:52 <markus> bye
Markus Lanthaler: bye ←
17:13:52 <Zakim> -markus
Zakim IRC Bot: -markus ←
17:13:52 <Zakim> -cgreer
Zakim IRC Bot: -cgreer ←
17:13:52 <Zakim> -GavinC
Zakim IRC Bot: -GavinC ←
17:13:54 <Zakim> -AndyS
Zakim IRC Bot: -AndyS ←
17:13:54 <Zakim> -zwu2
Zakim IRC Bot: -zwu2 ←
17:13:57 <Zakim> -yvesr
Zakim IRC Bot: -yvesr ←
17:13:57 <gkellogg> trackbot: make logs public
Trackbot IRC Bot: make logs public ←
17:13:57 <trackbot> Sorry, gkellogg, I don't understand 'trackbot: make logs public'. Please refer to <http://www.w3.org/2005/06/tracker/irc> for help.
Trackbot IRC Bot: Sorry, gkellogg, I don't understand 'trackbot: make logs public'. Please refer to <http://www.w3.org/2005/06/tracker/irc> for help. ←
17:14:20 <gavinc> trackbot, end meeting
Gavin Carothers: trackbot, end meeting ←
17:14:20 <trackbot> Zakim, list attendees
Trackbot IRC Bot: Zakim, list attendees ←
17:14:20 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been Guus_Schreiber, GavinC, davidwood, TallTed, gkellogg, markus, AndyS, pchampin, Ivan, zwu2, yvesr, cgreer, EricP, +1.408.992.aaaa, pfps,
Zakim IRC Bot: As of this point the attendees have been Guus_Schreiber, GavinC, davidwood, TallTed, gkellogg, markus, AndyS, pchampin, Ivan, zwu2, yvesr, cgreer, EricP, +1.408.992.aaaa, pfps, ←
17:14:24 <Zakim> ... PatH
Zakim IRC Bot: ... PatH ←
17:14:27 <Zakim> -EricP
Zakim IRC Bot: -EricP ←
17:14:29 <trackbot> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
Trackbot IRC Bot: RRSAgent, please draft minutes ←
17:14:29 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/01/30-rdf-wg-minutes.html trackbot
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17:14:30 <trackbot> RRSAgent, bye
Trackbot IRC Bot: RRSAgent, bye ←
17:14:30 <RRSAgent> I see no action items
RRSAgent IRC Bot: I see no action items ←
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