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RDF Working Group

Minutes of 23 February 2011

Agenda
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-wg/2011Feb/0040.html
Present
Alex Hall, Antoine Zimmermann, Axel Polleres, Christopher Matheus, Dan Brickley, David Wood, Dieter Fensel, Fabien Gandon, Gavin Carothers, Guus Schreiber, Ivan Herman, Jean-François Baget, Manu Sporny, Matteo Brunati, Mischa Tuffield, Nathan Rixham, Patrick Hayes, Peter Patel-Schneider, Pierre-Antoine Champin, Sandro Hawke, Scott Bauer, Souripriya Das, Thomas Steiner, Yves Raimond, Zhe Wu
Chair
Guus Schreiber
Scribe
Jean-François Baget
IRC Log
Original
Resolutions
  1. use http://www.w3.org/2010/01/Turtle/ as the starting point for the Turtle work link
Topics
<sandro> PRESENT: Alex Hall, Antoine Zimmermann, Axel Polleres, Christopher Matheus, Dan Brickley, David Wood, Dieter Fensel, Fabien Gandon, Gavin Carothers, Guus Schreiber, Ivan Herman, Jean-François Baget, Manu Sporny, Matteo Brunati, Mischa Tuffield, Nathan Rixham, Patrick Hayes, Peter Patel-Schneider, Pierre-Antoine Champin, Sandro Hawke, Scott Bauer, Souripriya Das, Thomas Steiner, Yves Raimond, Zhe Wu
15:51:23 <Zakim> SW_RDFWG()11:00AM has now started

Zakim IRC Bot: SW_RDFWG()11:00AM has now started

15:51:31 <Zakim> + +33.4.67.92.aaaa

Zakim IRC Bot: + +33.4.67.92.aaaa

15:52:51 <Zakim> + +43.512.507.aabb

Zakim IRC Bot: + +43.512.507.aabb

15:53:48 <Zakim> +davidwood

Zakim IRC Bot: +davidwood

15:54:07 <Zakim> +Scott_Bauer

Zakim IRC Bot: +Scott_Bauer

15:54:14 <Zakim> +??P8

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P8

15:54:19 <webr3> zakim, i am ??

Nathan Rixham: zakim, i am ??

15:54:19 <Zakim> +webr3; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +webr3; got it

15:54:21 <Zakim> +??P7

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P7

15:54:27 <Zakim> +Peter_Patel-Schneider

Zakim IRC Bot: +Peter_Patel-Schneider

15:54:32 <ivan> zakim, dial ivan-voip

Ivan Herman: zakim, dial ivan-voip

15:54:32 <Zakim> ok, ivan; the call is being made

Zakim IRC Bot: ok, ivan; the call is being made

15:54:34 <Zakim> +Ivan

Zakim IRC Bot: +Ivan

15:54:58 <mischat> zakim, i am ??P7

Mischa Tuffield: zakim, i am ??P7

15:54:58 <Zakim> +mischat; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +mischat; got it

15:55:06 <JFB> 33.4.67.92 is Jean-François Baget, scribing...

Jean-François Baget: 33.4.67.92 is Jean-François Baget, scribing...

15:55:07 <mischat> zakim mute me

Mischa Tuffield: zakim mute me

15:55:12 <mischat> zakim, mute me

Mischa Tuffield: zakim, mute me

15:55:13 <Zakim> + +33.4.72.43.aacc

Zakim IRC Bot: + +33.4.72.43.aacc

15:55:14 <Zakim> mischat should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: mischat should now be muted

15:55:40 <pfps> people should mute whenever possible

Peter Patel-Schneider: people should mute whenever possible

15:55:45 <AZ> zakim, +33.4.72.43.aacc is me

Antoine Zimmermann: zakim, +33.4.72.43.aacc is me

15:55:45 <Zakim> +AZ; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +AZ; got it

15:55:52 <mischat> zakim, unmute me

Mischa Tuffield: zakim, unmute me

15:55:53 <Zakim> mischat should no longer be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: mischat should no longer be muted

15:55:55 <ivan> zakim, mute me

Ivan Herman: zakim, mute me

15:55:55 <Zakim> Ivan should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: Ivan should now be muted

15:56:03 <AZ> zakim, mute me

Antoine Zimmermann: zakim, mute me

15:56:04 <Zakim> AZ should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: AZ should now be muted

15:56:06 <mischat> zakim, mute me

Mischa Tuffield: zakim, mute me

15:56:06 <Zakim> mischat should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: mischat should now be muted

15:56:11 <pfps> zakim, who is on the phone?

Peter Patel-Schneider: zakim, who is on the phone?

15:56:11 <Zakim> On the phone I see +33.4.67.92.aaaa, +43.512.507.aabb, davidwood, Scott_Bauer, webr3, mischat (muted), Peter_Patel-Schneider, Ivan (muted), AZ (muted)

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see +33.4.67.92.aaaa, +43.512.507.aabb, davidwood, Scott_Bauer, webr3, mischat (muted), Peter_Patel-Schneider, Ivan (muted), AZ (muted)

15:56:13 <JFB> zakim, +33.4.67.92.aaaa is me

Jean-François Baget: zakim, +33.4.67.92.aaaa is me

15:56:14 <Zakim> +JFB; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +JFB; got it

15:56:59 <JFB>  zakim, who is on the phone?

Jean-François Baget: zakim, who is on the phone?

15:56:59 <Zakim> On the phone I see JFB, +43.512.507.aabb, davidwood, Scott_Bauer, webr3, mischat (muted), Peter_Patel-Schneider, Ivan (muted), AZ (muted)

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see JFB, +43.512.507.aabb, davidwood, Scott_Bauer, webr3, mischat (muted), Peter_Patel-Schneider, Ivan (muted), AZ (muted)

15:57:47 <dfensel6_> +43.512.507 is dfensel6 (dieter fenel)

Dieter Fensel: +43.512.507 is dfensel6 (dieter fenel)

15:58:24 <dfensel6_> dfensel6 is my w3c nickname

Dieter Fensel: dfensel6 is my w3c nickname

15:58:35 <JFB> zakim, mute me

Jean-François Baget: zakim, mute me

15:58:35 <Zakim> JFB should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: JFB should now be muted

15:58:52 <dfensel6_> I tried to save a character.

Dieter Fensel: I tried to save a character.

15:58:56 <mischat> zakim, 43.512.507 is dfensel6

Mischa Tuffield: zakim, 43.512.507 is dfensel6

15:58:56 <Zakim> sorry, mischat, I do not recognize a party named '43.512.507'

Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, mischat, I do not recognize a party named '43.512.507'

15:59:12 <Zakim> + +1.707.861.aadd

Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.707.861.aadd

15:59:21 <dfensel6_>  +43.512.507 is dfensel6 (dieter fensel)

Dieter Fensel: +43.512.507 is dfensel6 (dieter fensel)

15:59:44 <mischat> zakim, 43.512.507.aabb is dfensel6

Mischa Tuffield: zakim, 43.512.507.aabb is dfensel6

15:59:44 <Zakim> sorry, mischat, I do not recognize a party named '43.512.507.aabb'

Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, mischat, I do not recognize a party named '43.512.507.aabb'

15:59:47 <pfps> zakim, who is on the phone

Peter Patel-Schneider: zakim, who is on the phone

15:59:47 <Zakim> I don't understand 'who is on the phone', pfps

Zakim IRC Bot: I don't understand 'who is on the phone', pfps

15:59:50 <Zakim> +Zhe_Wu

Zakim IRC Bot: +Zhe_Wu

15:59:55 <gavinc> zakim, +1.707.861 is me

Gavin Carothers: zakim, +1.707.861 is me

15:59:55 <Zakim> +gavinc; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +gavinc; got it

15:59:56 <manu1> zakim, code?

Manu Sporny: zakim, code?

15:59:56 <Zakim> +??P18

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P18

15:59:58 <webr3> zakim, +43.512.507.aabb is dfensel6

Nathan Rixham: zakim, +43.512.507.aabb is dfensel6

15:59:58 <Zakim> the conference code is 73394 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.26.46.79.03 tel:+44.203.318.0479), manu1

Zakim IRC Bot: the conference code is 73394 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.26.46.79.03 tel:+44.203.318.0479), manu1

16:00:00 <pfps> zakim, who is on the phone?

Peter Patel-Schneider: zakim, who is on the phone?

16:00:00 <Zakim> +dfensel6; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +dfensel6; got it

16:00:02 <Zakim> On the phone I see JFB (muted), dfensel6, davidwood, Scott_Bauer, webr3, mischat (muted), Peter_Patel-Schneider, Ivan (muted), AZ (muted), gavinc, Zhe_Wu, ??P18

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see JFB (muted), dfensel6, davidwood, Scott_Bauer, webr3, mischat (muted), Peter_Patel-Schneider, Ivan (muted), AZ (muted), gavinc, Zhe_Wu, ??P18

16:00:05 <zwu2> zakim, mute me

Zhe Wu: zakim, mute me

16:00:05 <Zakim> sorry, zwu2, I do not know which phone connection belongs to you

Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, zwu2, I do not know which phone connection belongs to you

16:00:06 <Zakim> + +1.443.212.aaee

Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.443.212.aaee

16:00:12 <Zakim> +AxelPolleres

Zakim IRC Bot: +AxelPolleres

16:00:13 <gavinc> zakim, mute me

Gavin Carothers: zakim, mute me

16:00:13 <Zakim> gavinc should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: gavinc should now be muted

16:00:48 <zwu2> zakim, zwu2 is Zhe_Wu

Zhe Wu: zakim, zwu2 is Zhe_Wu

16:00:48 <Zakim> sorry, zwu2, I do not recognize a party named 'zwu2'

Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, zwu2, I do not recognize a party named 'zwu2'

16:00:50 <Zakim> +Guus

Zakim IRC Bot: +Guus

16:01:00 <AlexHall> zakim, aaee is me

Alex Hall: zakim, aaee is me

16:01:00 <Zakim> +AlexHall; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +AlexHall; got it

16:01:02 <zwu2> zakim, Zhe_Wu is zwu2

Zhe Wu: zakim, Zhe_Wu is zwu2

16:01:02 <Zakim> +zwu2; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +zwu2; got it

16:01:08 <zwu2> zakim, mute me

Zhe Wu: zakim, mute me

16:01:08 <Zakim> zwu2 should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: zwu2 should now be muted

16:01:16 <Zakim> +??P30

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P30

16:01:18 <Zakim> +Sandro

Zakim IRC Bot: +Sandro

16:01:19 <manu1> zakim, I am ??P30

Manu Sporny: zakim, I am ??P30

16:01:19 <Zakim> +manu1; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +manu1; got it

16:01:43 <sandro> zakim, who is on the call?

Sandro Hawke: zakim, who is on the call?

16:01:43 <Zakim> On the phone I see JFB (muted), dfensel6, davidwood, Scott_Bauer, webr3, mischat (muted), Peter_Patel-Schneider, Ivan (muted), AZ (muted), gavinc (muted), zwu2 (muted), ??P18,

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see JFB (muted), dfensel6, davidwood, Scott_Bauer, webr3, mischat (muted), Peter_Patel-Schneider, Ivan (muted), AZ (muted), gavinc (muted), zwu2 (muted), ??P18,

16:01:46 <Zakim> ... AlexHall, AxelPolleres, Guus, manu1, Sandro

Zakim IRC Bot: ... AlexHall, AxelPolleres, Guus, manu1, Sandro

16:01:52 <mbrunati> q+

Matteo Brunati: q+

16:01:57 <mbrunati> q-

Matteo Brunati: q-

16:02:03 <Guus> zakim, who is here?

Guus Schreiber: zakim, who is here?

16:02:03 <Zakim> On the phone I see JFB (muted), dfensel6, davidwood, Scott_Bauer, webr3, mischat (muted), Peter_Patel-Schneider, Ivan (muted), AZ (muted), gavinc (muted), zwu2 (muted), ??P18,

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see JFB (muted), dfensel6, davidwood, Scott_Bauer, webr3, mischat (muted), Peter_Patel-Schneider, Ivan (muted), AZ (muted), gavinc (muted), zwu2 (muted), ??P18,

16:02:06 <Zakim> ... AlexHall, AxelPolleres, Guus, manu1, Sandro

Zakim IRC Bot: ... AlexHall, AxelPolleres, Guus, manu1, Sandro

16:02:08 <Zakim> On IRC I see FabGandon, pchampin, AxelPolleres, zwu2, AlexHall, mbrunati, Guus, gavinc, tomayac, pfps, AZ, dfensel6_, hsbauer, JFB, domel, danbri, SteveH, ivan, mischat, cmatheus,

Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see FabGandon, pchampin, AxelPolleres, zwu2, AlexHall, mbrunati, Guus, gavinc, tomayac, pfps, AZ, dfensel6_, hsbauer, JFB, domel, danbri, SteveH, ivan, mischat, cmatheus,

16:02:10 <Zakim> ... manu1, webr3, davidwood, yvesr, Zakim, sandro, trackbot

Zakim IRC Bot: ... manu1, webr3, davidwood, yvesr, Zakim, sandro, trackbot

16:02:12 <Zakim> +[Sophia]

Zakim IRC Bot: +[Sophia]

16:02:14 <Zakim> +??P34

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P34

16:02:19 <JFB> zakim, agenda?

Jean-François Baget: zakim, agenda?

16:02:19 <Zakim> I see 1 item remaining on the agenda:

Zakim IRC Bot: I see 1 item remaining on the agenda:

16:02:21 <Zakim> 5. Establishment of initial task forces.  We need task forces for the obligatory pieces of work: Subgraphs, Turtle, JSON [from davidwood]

Zakim IRC Bot: 5. Establishment of initial task forces. We need task forces for the obligatory pieces of work: Subgraphs, Turtle, JSON [from davidwood]

16:02:23 <mbrunati> zakim, i am ??P18

Matteo Brunati: zakim, i am ??P18

16:02:24 <Zakim> +mbrunati; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +mbrunati; got it

16:02:28 <FabGandon> Zakim, +[Sophia] is me

Fabien Gandon: Zakim, +[Sophia] is me

16:02:28 <Zakim> sorry, FabGandon, I do not recognize a party named '+[Sophia]'

Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, FabGandon, I do not recognize a party named '+[Sophia]'

16:02:38 <Zakim> -??P34

Zakim IRC Bot: -??P34

16:02:44 <FabGandon> Zakim, [Sophia] is me

Fabien Gandon: Zakim, [Sophia] is me

16:02:44 <Zakim> +FabGandon; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +FabGandon; got it

16:03:00 <Zakim> + +1.404.978.aaff - is perhaps Dzung_Tran?

Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.404.978.aaff - is perhaps Dzung_Tran?

16:03:02 <JFB> zakim, agenda?

Jean-François Baget: zakim, agenda?

16:03:02 <Zakim> I see 1 item remaining on the agenda:

Zakim IRC Bot: I see 1 item remaining on the agenda:

16:03:04 <Zakim> 5. Establishment of initial task forces.  We need task forces for the obligatory pieces of work: Subgraphs, Turtle, JSON [from davidwood]

Zakim IRC Bot: 5. Establishment of initial task forces. We need task forces for the obligatory pieces of work: Subgraphs, Turtle, JSON [from davidwood]

16:03:15 <Zakim> +Souri

Zakim IRC Bot: +Souri

16:03:17 <sandro> zakim, who is on the call?

Sandro Hawke: zakim, who is on the call?

16:03:17 <Zakim> On the phone I see JFB (muted), dfensel6, davidwood, Scott_Bauer, webr3, mischat (muted), Peter_Patel-Schneider, Ivan (muted), AZ (muted), gavinc (muted), zwu2 (muted), mbrunati,

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see JFB (muted), dfensel6, davidwood, Scott_Bauer, webr3, mischat (muted), Peter_Patel-Schneider, Ivan (muted), AZ (muted), gavinc (muted), zwu2 (muted), mbrunati,

16:03:21 <Zakim> ... AlexHall, AxelPolleres, Guus, manu1, Sandro, FabGandon, Dzung_Tran?, Souri

Zakim IRC Bot: ... AlexHall, AxelPolleres, Guus, manu1, Sandro, FabGandon, Dzung_Tran?, Souri

16:03:32 <JFB> on the call and muted

Jean-François Baget: on the call and muted

16:03:32 <sandro> zakim, who is talking?

Sandro Hawke: zakim, who is talking?

16:03:43 <Zakim> sandro, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: davidwood (64%), mbrunati (4%), Guus (9%)

Zakim IRC Bot: sandro, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: davidwood (64%), mbrunati (4%), Guus (9%)

16:03:44 <JFB> zakim, unmute me

Jean-François Baget: zakim, unmute me

16:03:46 <Zakim> JFB should no longer be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: JFB should no longer be muted

16:04:04 <sandro> zakim, who is talking?

Sandro Hawke: zakim, who is talking?

16:04:04 <Zakim> +??P40

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P40

16:04:14 <Zakim> sandro, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: dfensel6 (16%), davidwood (15%), JFB (21%), Guus (30%), ??P40 (9%)

Zakim IRC Bot: sandro, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: dfensel6 (16%), davidwood (15%), JFB (21%), Guus (30%), ??P40 (9%)

16:04:21 <ivan> scribenick: JFB

(Scribe set to Jean-François Baget)

16:04:23 <JFB> zakim, mute me

zakim, mute me

16:04:23 <Zakim> JFB should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: JFB should now be muted

16:04:28 <mbrunati> zakim, mute me

Matteo Brunati: zakim, mute me

16:04:28 <Zakim> mbrunati should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: mbrunati should now be muted

16:04:37 <mbrunati> zakim, unmute me

Matteo Brunati: zakim, unmute me

16:04:37 <Zakim> mbrunati should no longer be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: mbrunati should no longer be muted

16:04:47 <sandro> zakim, Guus has DanBri

Sandro Hawke: zakim, Guus has DanBri

16:04:47 <Zakim> +DanBri; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +DanBri; got it

<sandro> topic: Admin

1. Admin

16:05:11 <JFB> 2nd telecon, agenda + 1 msg from peter

2nd telecon, agenda + 1 msg from peter

16:05:11 <yvesr> Zakim, ??P40

Yves Raimond: Zakim, ??P40

16:05:11 <Zakim> I don't understand '??P40', yvesr

Zakim IRC Bot: I don't understand '??P40', yvesr

16:05:15 <pfps> Minutes are fine.

Peter Patel-Schneider: Minutes are fine.

16:05:17 <sandro> davidwood, please try zakim muting yourself -- I think you might be the source of echo.

Sandro Hawke: davidwood, please try zakim muting yourself -- I think you might be the source of echo.

16:05:28 <davidwood> Zakim, mute me

David Wood: Zakim, mute me

16:05:28 <Zakim> davidwood should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: davidwood should now be muted

16:05:32 <JFB> objections to minutes from last agenda ?

objections to minutes from last agenda ?

16:05:34 <davidwood> The minutes are fine

David Wood: The minutes are fine

16:05:43 <JFB> minutes accepted

minutes accepted

16:05:44 <mbrunati> minutes ok

Matteo Brunati: minutes ok

16:05:49 <sandro> (yes, davidwood, that did it.   you might try calling back.)

Sandro Hawke: (yes, davidwood, that did it. you might try calling back.)

16:05:54 <davidwood> ok

David Wood: ok

16:06:01 <JFB> no actions from previous telecon

no actions from previous telecon

16:06:02 <yvesr> Zakim, ??P40 is yvesr

Yves Raimond: Zakim, ??P40 is yvesr

16:06:03 <Zakim> +yvesr; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +yvesr; got it

16:06:03 <Zakim> -davidwood

Zakim IRC Bot: -davidwood

16:06:07 <danbri_> agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-wg/2011Feb/0040.html
16:06:19 <sandro> zakim, who is talking?

Sandro Hawke: zakim, who is talking?

16:06:21 <Zakim> +davidwood

Zakim IRC Bot: +davidwood

16:06:30 <Zakim> sandro, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: dfensel6 (16%), Guus (46%)

Zakim IRC Bot: sandro, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: dfensel6 (16%), Guus (46%)

16:06:30 <ivan> -> http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/track/ tracker link

Ivan Herman: -> http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/track/ tracker link

<sandro> subtopic: Raising Issues

1.1. Raising Issues

16:06:32 <JFB> link to the issue tracker  (http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/track/)

link to the issue tracker (http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/track/)

16:06:54 <sandro> nope, actually I think dfensel6_ is that source of echo.   Dieter, can you try "zakim, mute me" ?

Sandro Hawke: nope, actually I think dfensel6_ is that source of echo. Dieter, can you try "zakim, mute me" ?

16:07:05 <dfensel6_> zakim, mute me

Dieter Fensel: zakim, mute me

16:07:05 <Zakim> sorry, dfensel6_, I do not know which phone connection belongs to you

Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, dfensel6_, I do not know which phone connection belongs to you

16:07:07 <JFB> issue tracker: 1st step raise an issue

issue tracker: 1st step raise an issue

16:07:19 <JFB> becomes open when accepted at telecon

becomes open when accepted at telecon

16:07:46 <sandro> zakim, dfensel6 is dfensel6_

Sandro Hawke: zakim, dfensel6 is dfensel6_

16:07:46 <Zakim> +dfensel6_; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +dfensel6_; got it

16:07:55 <sandro> zakim, mute dfensel6_

Sandro Hawke: zakim, mute dfensel6_

16:07:55 <Zakim> dfensel6_ should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: dfensel6_ should now be muted

16:08:05 <JFB> use the products when defining an issue

use the products when defining an issue

16:08:16 <JFB> question?

question?

16:08:22 <mischat> any questions about the issue tracker ?

Mischa Tuffield: any questions about the issue tracker ?

16:08:52 <pfps> change "General" to "Misc"?

Peter Patel-Schneider: change "General" to "Misc"?

16:08:54 <JFB> question (who?) what for RDF general ?

Sandro Hawke: what for RDF general ?

16:09:04 <ivan> zakim, unmute me

Ivan Herman: zakim, unmute me

16:09:04 <Zakim> Ivan should no longer be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: Ivan should no longer be muted

16:09:07 <JFB> answer: anything that does not fit anywhere else

Guus Schreiber: answer: anything that does not fit anywhere else

16:09:14 <Zakim> -mischat

Zakim IRC Bot: -mischat

16:09:24 <davidwood> chair Guus

David Wood: chair Guus

16:09:29 <sandro> s/question (who?) /sandro:/
16:09:39 <davidwood> chair: Guus
16:09:52 <sandro> s/answer:/guus: answer:/
16:09:53 <JFB> Guus: (just to give everything a problem)

Guus Schreiber: (just to give everything a problem)

16:09:56 <Zakim> +??P7

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P7

16:09:57 <AxelPolleres> I assume issues are in general added by chairs only? Can we refer to particular products in mails, etc.?

Axel Polleres: I assume issues are in general added by chairs only? Can we refer to particular products in mails, etc.?

16:10:01 <JFB> zakim, unmute me

zakim, unmute me

16:10:01 <Zakim> JFB should no longer be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: JFB should no longer be muted

16:10:10 <mischat> zakim, ??P7 is me

Mischa Tuffield: zakim, ??P7 is me

16:10:10 <Zakim> +mischat; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +mischat; got it

16:10:14 <mischat> zakim, mute me

Mischa Tuffield: zakim, mute me

16:10:14 <Zakim> mischat should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: mischat should now be muted

16:10:17 <JFB> zakim, mute me

zakim, mute me

16:10:17 <Zakim> JFB should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: JFB should now be muted

16:10:19 <JFB> zakim, unmute me

zakim, unmute me

16:10:19 <Zakim> JFB should no longer be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: JFB should no longer be muted

16:10:34 <JFB>  zakim, who is on the phone?

zakim, who is on the phone?

16:10:34 <Zakim> On the phone I see JFB, dfensel6_ (muted), Scott_Bauer, webr3, Peter_Patel-Schneider, Ivan, AZ (muted), gavinc (muted), zwu2 (muted), mbrunati, AlexHall, AxelPolleres, Guus, manu1,

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see JFB, dfensel6_ (muted), Scott_Bauer, webr3, Peter_Patel-Schneider, Ivan, AZ (muted), gavinc (muted), zwu2 (muted), mbrunati, AlexHall, AxelPolleres, Guus, manu1,

16:10:37 <Zakim> ... Sandro, FabGandon, Dzung_Tran?, Souri, yvesr, davidwood, mischat (muted)

Zakim IRC Bot: ... Sandro, FabGandon, Dzung_Tran?, Souri, yvesr, davidwood, mischat (muted)

16:10:38 <Zakim> Guus has DanBri

Zakim IRC Bot: Guus has DanBri

16:10:39 <davidwood> AxelPolleres: Issues may be added by anyone, but will be discussed as a group.

Axel Polleres: Issues may be added by anyone, but will be discussed as a group. [ Scribe Assist by David Wood ]

16:10:40 <manu1> q+ to ask if it's okay to raise issues now?

Manu Sporny: q+ to ask if it's okay to raise issues now?

16:10:51 <ivan> zakim, mischat has also Jeremy

Ivan Herman: zakim, mischat has also Jeremy

16:10:51 <Zakim> +also, Jeremy; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +also, Jeremy; got it

16:10:56 <AxelPolleres> david, ok

Axel Polleres: david, ok

16:11:17 <danbri> peter's mail as mentioned by Guus - http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-wg/2011Feb/0050.html

Dan Brickley: peter's mail as mentioned by Guus - http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-wg/2011Feb/0050.html

16:12:03 <JFB> Guus: All group members can raise an issue, then it will be discussed at telecon

Guus Schreiber: All group members can raise an issue, then it will be discussed at telecon

16:12:13 <sandro> guus: Let's go ahead and let people RAISE issues themselves, but don't go too crazy with it.

Guus Schreiber: Let's go ahead and let people RAISE issues themselves, but don't go too crazy with it. [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ]

16:12:17 <mischat> zakim, ??P7 is me

Mischa Tuffield: zakim, ??P7 is me

16:12:17 <Zakim> I already had ??P7 as mischat, mischat

Zakim IRC Bot: I already had ??P7 as mischat, mischat

16:12:38 <Zakim> +PatH

Zakim IRC Bot: +PatH

16:12:52 <JFB>Topic: Turtle Task Force

2. Turtle Task Force

16:13:04 <AxelPolleres> q+ how to relate to products in Issues/mails?

Axel Polleres: q+ how to relate to products in Issues/mails?

16:13:10 <sandro> (Note that RAISING an issue does not make it OPEN.   The chairs turn RAISED issues into OPEN ones)

Sandro Hawke: (Note that RAISING an issue does not make it OPEN. The chairs turn RAISED issues into OPEN ones)

16:13:14 <ivan> ack manu1

Ivan Herman: ack manu1

16:13:14 <Zakim> manu1, you wanted to ask if it's okay to raise issues now?

Zakim IRC Bot: manu1, you wanted to ask if it's okay to raise issues now?

16:13:18 <danbri> Re Turtle, http://www.w3.org/2009/12/rdf-ws/papers/ws11 "Turtle needs better alignment with the SPARQL triples pattern language since there are differences in QName / Curie formats as well as some other minor differences."

Dan Brickley: Re Turtle, http://www.w3.org/2009/12/rdf-ws/papers/ws11 "Turtle needs better alignment with the SPARQL triples pattern language since there are differences in QName / Curie formats as well as some other minor differences."

16:13:20 <ivan> ack how

Ivan Herman: ack how

16:13:20 <Zakim> how, you wanted to relate to products in Issues/mails?

Zakim IRC Bot: how, you wanted to relate to products in Issues/mails?

16:13:34 <danbri> in http://www.dajobe.org/2004/01/turtle/2006-12-04/#sec-diff-sparql differences with sparql are listed; in http://www.w3.org/TeamSubmission/turtle/ (later doc) not so much detail.

Dan Brickley: in http://www.dajobe.org/2004/01/turtle/2006-12-04/#sec-diff-sparql differences with sparql are listed; in http://www.w3.org/TeamSubmission/turtle/ (later doc) not so much detail.

16:13:44 <yvesr> danbri: and prefix definitions

Dan Brickley: and prefix definitions [ Scribe Assist by Yves Raimond ]

16:13:53 <manu1> +1 for using the TURTLE Team Submission as the starting point.

Manu Sporny: +1 for using the TURTLE Team Submission as the starting point.

16:13:56 <danbri> ah no, it's here http://www.w3.org/TeamSubmission/turtle/#sec-diff-sparql

Dan Brickley: ah no, it's here http://www.w3.org/TeamSubmission/turtle/#sec-diff-sparql

16:14:00 <ivan> q+

Ivan Herman: q+

16:14:07 <yvesr> +1

Yves Raimond: +1

16:14:41 <webr3> ed draft: http://www.w3.org/2010/01/Turtle/

Nathan Rixham: ed draft: http://www.w3.org/2010/01/Turtle/

16:14:47 <JFB> (who's speaking?)

(who's speaking?)

16:14:50 <danbri> q+ to ask if we have SPARQL WG members here; could SPARQL 1.1 and Turtle converge with a few tweaks on either side?

Dan Brickley: q+ to ask if we have SPARQL WG members here; could SPARQL 1.1 and Turtle converge with a few tweaks on either side?

16:14:59 <JFB> thks

thks

16:15:21 <Zakim> +??P20

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P20

16:15:26 <mischat> that page is not public

Mischa Tuffield: that page is not public

16:15:30 <AxelPolleres> danbri, the prefix syntax is the major diff, isn't it?

Axel Polleres: danbri, the prefix syntax is the major diff, isn't it?

16:15:59 <cmatheus> zakim, ??P20 is me

Christopher Matheus: zakim, ??P20 is me

16:15:59 <Zakim> +cmatheus; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +cmatheus; got it

16:16:05 <manu1> http://www.w3.org/2010/01/Turtle/ -> Insufficient Access Privileges

Manu Sporny: http://www.w3.org/2010/01/Turtle/ -> Insufficient Access Privileges

16:16:06 <danbri> (eg. literal subjects are permitted in sparql too, in theory at least)

Dan Brickley: (eg. literal subjects are permitted in sparql too, in theory at least)

16:16:07 <webr3> see D changes too

Nathan Rixham: see D changes too

16:16:19 <mischat> http://www.w3.org/2010/01/Turtle/#sec-grammar-parsing

Mischa Tuffield: http://www.w3.org/2010/01/Turtle/#sec-grammar-parsing

16:16:26 <mischat> Section 4.5 ^^

Mischa Tuffield: Section 4.5 ^^

16:16:45 <yvesr> manu1: works for me

Manu Sporny: works for me [ Scribe Assist by Yves Raimond ]

16:16:59 <JFB> Section 4.5 of  http://www.w3.org/2010/01/Turtle/#sec-grammar-parsing Parsing turtle

Section 4.5 of http://www.w3.org/2010/01/Turtle/#sec-grammar-parsing Parsing turtle

16:17:09 <sandro> Here is a color-coded diff: http://www.w3.org/People/Sandro/turtle-diff

Sandro Hawke: Here is a color-coded diff: http://www.w3.org/People/Sandro/turtle-diff

16:17:58 <JFB> X suggests revised version of that document as a atsarting point

Pat suggests revised version of that document as a atsarting point

16:18:07 <ivan> s/X/Pat/
16:18:08 <JFB> (pat hayes)

(pat hayes)

16:18:10 <sandro> PROPOSED: use http://www.w3.org/2010/01/Turtle/ as the starting point for the Turtle work

PROPOSED: use http://www.w3.org/2010/01/Turtle/ as the starting point for the Turtle work

16:18:15 <manu1> +1

Manu Sporny: +1

16:18:17 <ivan> +1

Ivan Herman: +1

16:18:18 <webr3> +1

Nathan Rixham: +1

16:18:18 <FabGandon> +1

Fabien Gandon: +1

16:18:20 <gavinc> +q

Gavin Carothers: +q

16:18:21 <JFB> +1

+1

16:18:21 <danbri> +1

Dan Brickley: +1

16:18:22 <mbrunati> +1

Matteo Brunati: +1

16:18:22 <tomayac> +1

Thomas Steiner: +1

16:18:23 <ivan> ack ivan

Ivan Herman: ack ivan

16:18:23 <mischat> +1

Mischa Tuffield: +1

16:18:26 <AZ> +1

Antoine Zimmermann: +1

16:18:28 <sandro> RESOLVED: use http://www.w3.org/2010/01/Turtle/ as the starting point for the Turtle work

RESOLVED: use http://www.w3.org/2010/01/Turtle/ as the starting point for the Turtle work

16:18:30 <yvesr> +1

Yves Raimond: +1

16:18:37 <JFB> accepted

accepted

16:18:50 <gavinc> -q

Gavin Carothers: -q

16:18:52 <JFB> zakim, mute me

zakim, mute me

16:18:52 <Zakim> JFB should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: JFB should now be muted

16:19:17 <sandro> manu1, there is something bizarre going on with access control.   Try http://www.w3.org/2010/01/Turtle/Overview.html

Sandro Hawke: manu1, there is something bizarre going on with access control. Try http://www.w3.org/2010/01/Turtle/Overview.html

16:19:18 <danbri> ack danbri?

Dan Brickley: ack danbri?

16:19:26 <AxelPolleres> q+

Axel Polleres: q+

16:19:33 <ivan> ack danbri

Ivan Herman: ack danbri

16:19:33 <Zakim> danbri, you wanted to ask if we have SPARQL WG members here; could SPARQL 1.1 and Turtle converge with a few tweaks on either side?

Zakim IRC Bot: danbri, you wanted to ask if we have SPARQL WG members here; could SPARQL 1.1 and Turtle converge with a few tweaks on either side?

16:19:43 <mischat> SteveH is

Mischa Tuffield: SteveH is

16:19:47 <danbri> audible?

Dan Brickley: audible?

16:19:50 <mischat> here and on both groups

Mischa Tuffield: here and on both groups

16:19:55 <yvesr> NickH is

Yves Raimond: NickH is

16:19:58 <danbri> great

Dan Brickley: great

16:19:59 <sandro> danbri: do we have SPARQL folks in this WG?

Dan Brickley: do we have SPARQL folks in this WG? [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ]

16:20:02 <Souri> I am

Souripriya Das: I am

16:20:02 <JFB> Is there any SPARQL 1.1 members in the WG?

Is there any SPARQL 1.1 members in the WG?

16:20:10 <ivan> ack AxelPolleres

Ivan Herman: ack AxelPolleres

16:20:27 <JFB> I don't hear anything....

I don't hear anything....

16:20:34 <sandro> AxelPolleres: Me, LeeF, Souri, (Sandro)

Axel Polleres: Me, LeeF, Souri, (Sandro) [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ]

16:20:41 <danbri> axelpolleres - you are a little quiet

Dan Brickley: axelpolleres - you are a little quiet

16:21:14 <ivan> q+

Ivan Herman: q+

16:21:27 <JFB> Axel, I already got volume problems... now I don't hear anything

Axel, I already got volume problems... now I don't hear anything

16:21:28 <pfps> It would be *very* nice if the two syntaxes aligned completely.

Peter Patel-Schneider: It would be *very* nice if the two syntaxes aligned completely.

16:21:31 <mischat> +1 to danbri's pov

Mischa Tuffield: +1 to danbri's pov

16:21:34 <davidwood> +1

David Wood: +1

16:21:35 <FabGandon> +1 to align Turtle and SPARQL 1.1

Fabien Gandon: +1 to align Turtle and SPARQL 1.1

16:21:42 <AxelPolleres> I'd propose to go for SPARQL's prefix syntax :-)

Axel Polleres: I'd propose to go for SPARQL's prefix syntax :-)

16:21:56 <yvesr> that'll break a lot of parsers though...

Yves Raimond: that'll break a lot of parsers though...

16:21:57 <pfps> axel: SPARQL syntax and (our) Turtle syntax should align

Axel Polleres: SPARQL syntax and (our) Turtle syntax should align [ Scribe Assist by Peter Patel-Schneider ]

16:22:00 <JFB> Aligning sparql1.1 and turtle

Aligning sparql1.1 and turtle

16:22:26 <sandro> ISSUE: Is TURTLE the same as SPARQL 1.1 triple syntax?

ISSUE: Is TURTLE the same as SPARQL 1.1 triple syntax?

16:22:26 <trackbot> Created ISSUE-1 - Is TURTLE the same as SPARQL 1.1 triple syntax?  ; please complete additional details at http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/track/issues/1/edit .

Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ISSUE-1 - Is TURTLE the same as SPARQL 1.1 triple syntax? ; please complete additional details at http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/track/issues/1/edit .

16:22:27 <PatHayes> +1 to dan's point. And it applies not just to syntx details but also to terminology. Ideally, one of these specs should simply reference the other as normative.

Patrick Hayes: +1 to dan's point. And it applies not just to syntx details but also to terminology. Ideally, one of these specs should simply reference the other as normative.

16:22:28 <ivan> q-

Ivan Herman: q-

16:22:36 <JFB> is turtle the sandrome as sparql 1.1 turtle syntax?

is turtle the sandrome as sparql 1.1 turtle syntax?

16:22:36 <ivan>  Note: http://www.w3.org/2010/01/Turtle/#sec-diff-sparql

Ivan Herman: Note: http://www.w3.org/2010/01/Turtle/#sec-diff-sparql

16:22:55 <ivan> q+

Ivan Herman: q+

16:23:00 <AxelPolleres> q?

Axel Polleres: q?

16:23:30 <ivan> q-

Ivan Herman: q-

16:23:37 <JFB> Guus: we'll move to this on the next weeks

Guus Schreiber: we'll move to this on the next weeks

16:23:46 <AxelPolleres> should be noted that the grammaer in SPARQL1.1 is practically frozen at this point... so if changed form SPARQL's side would be needed, then they'd need to be raised ASAP

Axel Polleres: should be noted that the grammaer in SPARQL1.1 is practically frozen at this point... so if changed form SPARQL's side would be needed, then they'd need to be raised ASAP

16:24:20 <sandro> ivan: Eric Prud'hommeaux was looking at the comparison to SPARQL.   The IRIs seem to be the difference.   (aside from PREFIX, which is an obvious difference.)   And whole IRI is a general issue for this group.

Ivan Herman: Eric Prud'hommeaux was looking at the comparison to SPARQL. The IRIs seem to be the difference. (aside from PREFIX, which is an obvious difference.) And whole IRI is a general issue for this group. [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ]

16:24:21 <mischat> +1 to ivan

Mischa Tuffield: +1 to ivan

16:24:32 <JFB> Dan: the syntax with ??? is the main issue, central to this WG

Ivan Herman: the syntax with IRI is the main issue, central to this WG

16:24:40 <JFB> IRI

IRI

16:24:44 <danbri> rrsagent, pointer?

Dan Brickley: rrsagent, pointer?

16:24:50 <sandro> s/???/IRI/
16:24:51 <ivan> s/Dan:/Ivan:/
16:25:01 <sandro> s/Dan/Ivan/
16:25:08 <sandro> zakim, where is cygri?

Sandro Hawke: zakim, where is cygri?

16:25:08 <Zakim> sorry, sandro, I do not understand your question

Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, sandro, I do not understand your question

16:25:09 <Zakim> -mischat

Zakim IRC Bot: -mischat

16:25:16 <sandro> zakim, is cygri here?

Sandro Hawke: zakim, is cygri here?

16:25:16 <Zakim> sandro, I do not see Cygri anywhere

Zakim IRC Bot: sandro, I do not see Cygri anywhere

16:25:19 <AxelPolleres> ... would be good if all the points that are relevant here would be collected and discussed soon.

Axel Polleres: ... would be good if all the points that are relevant here would be collected and discussed soon.

16:25:21 <AlexHall> i'm here

Alex Hall: i'm here

16:25:28 <PatHayes> Alexs point is important. We should rapidly seek any likely future point where our needs might cause us to deviate from SPARQL syntax and bring that to the front of our queue.

Patrick Hayes: Alexs point is important. We should rapidly seek any likely future point where our needs might cause us to deviate from SPARQL syntax and bring that to the front of our queue.

16:25:32 <AxelPolleres> (I can ping cygri)

Axel Polleres: (I can ping cygri)

16:25:44 <PatHayes> Axel's point, sorry.

Patrick Hayes: Axel's point, sorry.

16:25:57 <RRSAgent> logging to http://www.w3.org/2011/02/23-rdf-wg-irc

RRSAgent IRC Bot: logging to http://www.w3.org/2011/02/23-rdf-wg-irc

16:25:58 <Zakim> +??P7

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P7

16:26:17 <mischat> zakim, ??P7 is me

Mischa Tuffield: zakim, ??P7 is me

16:26:17 <Zakim> +mischat; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +mischat; got it

16:26:18 <gavinc> Did I miss how we were supposed to "Sign up" for a Task Force?

Gavin Carothers: Did I miss how we were supposed to "Sign up" for a Task Force?

16:26:21 <mischat> zakim, mute me

Mischa Tuffield: zakim, mute me

16:26:21 <Zakim> mischat should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: mischat should now be muted

16:26:38 <JFB> Signing up for the task forces

Signing up for the task forces

16:27:04 <sandro> yes, gavinc, the chairs asked us to do that.   we're still discovering what that means....

Sandro Hawke: yes, gavinc, the chairs asked us to do that. we're still discovering what that means....

16:27:26 <gavinc> Andy sent regrets last week

Gavin Carothers: Andy sent regrets last week

16:27:42 <JFB> zakim, who's on the phone?

zakim, who's on the phone?

16:27:42 <Zakim> On the phone I see JFB (muted), dfensel6_ (muted), Scott_Bauer, webr3, Peter_Patel-Schneider, Ivan, AZ (muted), gavinc (muted), zwu2 (muted), mbrunati, AlexHall, AxelPolleres,

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see JFB (muted), dfensel6_ (muted), Scott_Bauer, webr3, Peter_Patel-Schneider, Ivan, AZ (muted), gavinc (muted), zwu2 (muted), mbrunati, AlexHall, AxelPolleres,

16:27:46 <Zakim> ... Guus, manu1, Sandro, FabGandon, Dzung_Tran?, Souri, yvesr, davidwood, PatH, cmatheus, mischat (muted)

Zakim IRC Bot: ... Guus, manu1, Sandro, FabGandon, Dzung_Tran?, Souri, yvesr, davidwood, PatH, cmatheus, mischat (muted)

16:27:48 <Zakim> Guus has DanBri

Zakim IRC Bot: Guus has DanBri

16:27:59 <zwu2> I will make a decision a bit later

Zhe Wu: I will make a decision a bit later

16:28:24 <JFB> decide rapidly if we want to invite other experts

decide rapidly if we want to invite other experts

16:28:29 <yvesr> inviting dajobe as an invited expert?

Yves Raimond: inviting dajobe as an invited expert?

16:28:46 <danbri> +1 on dajobe if he has time

Dan Brickley: +1 on dajobe if he has time

16:28:59 <yvesr> ivan: good

Ivan Herman: good [ Scribe Assist by Yves Raimond ]

16:29:22 <danbri> q?

Dan Brickley: q?

16:29:41 <JFB> Topic: JSON Task Force

3. JSON Task Force

16:29:46 <Zakim> -dfensel6_

Zakim IRC Bot: -dfensel6_

16:29:52 <JFB> issue: identifying a document

ISSUE: identifying a document

16:29:52 <trackbot> Created ISSUE-2 - Identifying a document ; please complete additional details at http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/track/issues/2/edit .

Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ISSUE-2 - Identifying a document ; please complete additional details at http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/track/issues/2/edit .

16:30:03 <manu1> q+ to suggest discussion and then possibly JSON-LD spec.

Manu Sporny: q+ to suggest discussion and then possibly JSON-LD spec.

16:30:26 <yvesr> talis json as a starting point

Yves Raimond: talis json as a starting point

16:31:23 <JFB> Guus: as a personal opinion , Talis

David Wood: as a personal opinion , Talis

16:31:41 <Zakim> +dfensel6_

Zakim IRC Bot: +dfensel6_

16:31:44 <JFB> serialization is less useful than ...

serialization is less useful than ...

16:32:16 <JFB> we should aim at the web authoring community

we should aim at the web authoring community

16:32:33 <AZ> s/Guus/davidwood/
16:32:37 <gavinc> That does seem to cross the boundries with a possible recharter of the RDFa WG?

Gavin Carothers: That does seem to cross the boundries with a possible recharter of the RDFa WG?

16:33:16 <webr3> q+ to say we have two needs

Nathan Rixham: q+ to say we have two needs

16:33:20 <JFB> Manu: basic questions, then decide which document

Manu Sporny: basic questions, then decide which document

16:33:35 <JFB> get rdf into hands of non rdf people

get rdf into hands of non rdf people

16:33:37 <tomayac> +1 for focusing on john doe web dev, do not req. rdf knowledge imho.

Thomas Steiner: +1 for focusing on john doe web dev, do not req. rdf knowledge imho.

16:33:44 <PatHayes> David: are your two options necessarily divergent? Or can we do both?

Patrick Hayes: David, are your two options necessarily divergent? Or can we do both?

16:34:11 <JFB> give a limited subset to rdf developers

give a limited subset to rdf developers

16:34:24 <sandro> s/David:/David,/
16:34:32 <PatHayes> Tnx

Patrick Hayes: Tnx

16:34:47 <PatHayes> David, see earlier IRC line.

Patrick Hayes: David, see earlier IRC line.

16:34:55 <sandro> zakim, who is talking?

Sandro Hawke: zakim, who is talking?

16:35:09 <Zakim> sandro, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Guus (19%), AxelPolleres (5%)

Zakim IRC Bot: sandro, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Guus (19%), AxelPolleres (5%)

16:35:29 <davidwood> PatHayes: We could do both, if we want to serve both the SemWeb and Web author communities.  That seems to me to be within the charter (and possibly a good idea).

Patrick Hayes: We could do both, if we want to serve both the SemWeb and Web author communities. That seems to me to be within the charter (and possibly a good idea). [ Scribe Assist by David Wood ]

16:35:44 <JFB> sandro: ? your view on your input and lightweight json

Sandro Hawke: ? your view on your input and lightweight json

16:35:45 <webr3> q-

Nathan Rixham: q-

16:35:59 <cmatheus> +1 pat

Christopher Matheus: +1 pat

16:36:04 <webr3> q+

Nathan Rixham: q+

16:36:08 <gavinc> Does the JSON syntax need to be the easy to use form?

Gavin Carothers: Does the JSON syntax need to be the easy to use form?

16:36:09 <manu1> q-

Manu Sporny: q-

16:36:20 <PatHayes> Todays burden is tomorrow's opportunity :-)

Patrick Hayes: Todays burden is tomorrow's opportunity :-)

16:36:20 <JFB> Manu: limited subset to give to RDF developers, that's the important point

Manu Sporny: limited subset to give to RDF developers, that's the important point

16:36:45 <JFB>  zakim, who is talking?

zakim, who is talking?

16:36:56 <Zakim> JFB, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: webr3 (99%)

Zakim IRC Bot: JFB, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: webr3 (99%)

16:37:19 <JFB> Nathan: simple object view of rdf

Nathan Rixham: simple object view of rdf

16:37:20 <sandro> sandro: I think the most import thing is is giving JSON users easy access to RDF

Sandro Hawke: I think the most import thing is is giving JSON users easy access to RDF [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ]

16:37:42 <Guus> q?

Guus Schreiber: q?

16:37:49 <ivan> ack webr3

Ivan Herman: ack webr3

16:37:50 <manu1> I have strong feelings against another full-blown serialization of RDF in JSON (machine-optimized version).

Manu Sporny: I have strong feelings against another full-blown serialization of RDF in JSON (machine-optimized version).

16:37:52 <JFB> one version for machines, one for humans

one version for machines, one for humans

16:38:17 <PatHayes> sandro, I agree, but hope that this could be a step towards a fuller serialization rather than incompatible with it.

Patrick Hayes: sandro, I agree, but hope that this could be a step towards a fuller serialization rather than incompatible with it.

16:38:30 <manu1> I think TURTLE is a fantastic full-blown serialization of RDF (that is both human and machine-optimized) - I don't think JSON needs to re-invent that wheel.

Manu Sporny: I think TURTLE is a fantastic full-blown serialization of RDF (that is both human and machine-optimized) - I don't think JSON needs to re-invent that wheel.

16:39:02 <davidwood> sandro: It would be nice to have one OWL, too :)

Sandro Hawke: It would be nice to have one OWL, too :) [ Scribe Assist by David Wood ]

16:39:06 <yvesr> maybe the answer is to not 'restrict' json but rather add a optional 'uri' attribute on JSON objects allowing to extract RDF from JSON? (GRDDL for JSON?)

Yves Raimond: maybe the answer is to not 'restrict' json but rather add a optional 'uri' attribute on JSON objects allowing to extract RDF from JSON? (GRDDL for JSON?)

16:39:35 <manu1> +1 to Sandro's point - we need to come up with something that can be minimal and scale to full-blown.

Manu Sporny: +1 to Sandro's point - we need to come up with something that can be minimal and scale to full-blown.

16:40:31 <sandro> manu1: Yes, JSON-LD has that design goal Sandro is talking about, where you can start small and simple, but it expands when you want full RDF.

Manu Sporny: Yes, JSON-LD has that design goal Sandro is talking about, where you can start small and simple, but it expands when you want full RDF. [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ]

16:40:34 <PatHayes> Sounds like we are all in violent agreement.

Patrick Hayes: Sounds like we are all in violent agreement.

16:40:56 <JFB> Guus: take another week to discuss contribute

Guus Schreiber: take another week to discuss contribute

16:40:56 <gavinc> As long as we don't mention prefixes ;)

Gavin Carothers: As long as we don't mention prefixes ;)

16:41:04 <webr3> PatHayes, it does - all have the same end goals

Nathan Rixham: PatHayes, it does - all have the same end goals

16:41:08 <Zakim> -mischat

Zakim IRC Bot: -mischat

16:41:22 <manu1> I also want to point out that there are some ugly things in JSON-LD - the basics work, but it's not done (because we wanted input from RDF WG).

Manu Sporny: I also want to point out that there are some ugly things in JSON-LD - the basics work, but it's not done (because we wanted input from RDF WG).

16:41:32 <JFB> Then we will take the starting point that best fits our goals

Then we will take the starting point that best fits our goals

16:41:39 <JFB> in one or two weeks

in one or two weeks

16:41:44 <sandro> guus: In the next week or two, let's decide on a starting point.

Guus Schreiber: In the next week or two, let's decide on a starting point. [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ]

16:42:04 <Zakim> +??P3

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P3

16:42:16 <mischat> zakim , ??P3 is me

Mischa Tuffield: zakim , ??P3 is me

16:42:20 <mischat> zakim, mute me

Mischa Tuffield: zakim, mute me

16:42:20 <Zakim> sorry, mischat, I do not know which phone connection belongs to you

Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, mischat, I do not know which phone connection belongs to you

16:42:40 <manu1> http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/wiki/TF-JSON

Manu Sporny: http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/wiki/TF-JSON

16:42:45 <mischat> zakim, ??P3 is me

Mischa Tuffield: zakim, ??P3 is me

16:42:45 <Zakim> +mischat; got it

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16:42:48 <mischat> zakim, mute me

Mischa Tuffield: zakim, mute me

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Zakim IRC Bot: mischat should now be muted

16:42:49 <manu1> (I don't have the link to the big page yet)

Manu Sporny: (I don't have the link to the big page yet)

16:43:13 <JFB> Will contribute to the JSON wiki: Nathan, manu, Andy?, ???

Will contribute to the JSON wiki: Nathan, manu, Andy?, Thomas

16:43:22 <ivan> s/???/Thomas/
16:43:27 <mischat> http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/wiki/TF_interests

Mischa Tuffield: http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/wiki/TF_interests

16:43:54 <JFB> + david and sandro

+ david and sandro

16:44:16 <cmatheus> I also volunteer to be in on JSON task force

Christopher Matheus: I also volunteer to be in on JSON task force

16:44:26 <JFB> + cmatheus

+ cmatheus

16:44:32 <mbrunati> clear

Matteo Brunati: clear

16:45:02 <JFB>Topic: Graphs Task Force

4. Graphs Task Force

16:45:11 <AlexHall> q+

Alex Hall: q+

16:45:16 <JFB> a bit more complicated

a bit more complicated

16:45:58 <manu1> q+ to chat about GRAPH work

Manu Sporny: q+ to chat about GRAPH work

16:46:01 <PatHayes> q+

Patrick Hayes: q+

16:46:16 <JFB> questions we should ask?

questions we should ask?

16:46:17 <gavinc> Part of the issue may be that even without a spec people have been using them? And SPARQL does have a spec for how GRAPH works with it?

Gavin Carothers: Part of the issue may be that even without a spec people have been using them? And SPARQL does have a spec for how GRAPH works with it?

16:46:17 <danbri> q+ to characterise the sparql approach as 'wrapping something around RDF-as-is'

Dan Brickley: q+ to characterise the sparql approach as 'wrapping something around RDF-as-is'

16:46:37 <sandro> q?

Sandro Hawke: q?

16:46:47 <gavinc> Jeremy is under the weather

Gavin Carothers: Jeremy is under the weather

16:46:49 <danbri> q?

Dan Brickley: q?

16:47:01 <ivan> ack AlexHall

Ivan Herman: ack AlexHall

16:47:03 <JFB> Alex:

Alex Hall:

16:47:09 <pfps> pfps:  I'm not particularly happy with any of the starting documents for graphs.

Peter Patel-Schneider: I'm not particularly happy with any of the starting documents for graphs. [ Scribe Assist by Peter Patel-Schneider ]

16:47:31 <sandro> AlexHall: I don't see a clear statement of what the problem we're trying to solve is

Alex Hall: I don't see a clear statement of what the problem we're trying to solve is [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ]

16:47:34 <JFB> what is the pb we're trying to solve?

what is the pb we're trying to solve?

16:47:36 <pfps> +1 to AlexHall

Peter Patel-Schneider: +1 to AlexHall

16:47:40 <sandro> +1 AlexHall Let's Start with Use Cases

Sandro Hawke: +1 AlexHall Let's Start with Use Cases

16:47:46 <PatHayes> +1 to AlexHall

Patrick Hayes: +1 to AlexHall

16:47:53 <pfps> q+

Peter Patel-Schneider: q+

16:47:54 <webr3> +1 to Axel (andFabgandon)

Nathan Rixham: +1 to Axel (andFabgandon)

16:48:11 <pfps> q+ to try to figure out *why* we are going beyond triples

Peter Patel-Schneider: q+ to try to figure out *why* we are going beyond triples

16:48:13 <yvesr> is SPARQL actually properly defining graphs anywhere?

Yves Raimond: is SPARQL actually properly defining graphs anywhere?

16:48:13 <sandro> q+ to argue for use cases

Sandro Hawke: q+ to argue for use cases

16:48:18 <ivan> ack manu1

Ivan Herman: ack manu1

16:48:18 <Zakim> manu1, you wanted to chat about GRAPH work

Zakim IRC Bot: manu1, you wanted to chat about GRAPH work

16:48:22 <JFB> Manu:

Manu Sporny:

16:48:34 <JFB> digital signatures on data

digital signatures on data

16:48:50 <JFB> graphs that change over time

graphs that change over time

16:48:53 <sandro> manu: We want named graphs and graph literals for digital signatures, and in financial services we need a way to freeze graphs and talk about their change over time.

Manu Sporny: We want named graphs and graph literals for digital signatures, and in financial services we need a way to freeze graphs and talk about their change over time. [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ]

16:49:07 <AxelPolleres> one need is to have "hook" for saying something about graphs/sets or triples, such as signatures (as Manu) mentions, temporal and other annotaitons.... especially as the workshop has pointed in the direciton of dprecating reification

Axel Polleres: one need is to have "hook" for saying something about graphs/sets or triples, such as signatures (as Manu) mentions, temporal and other annotaitons.... especially as the workshop has pointed in the direciton of dprecating reification

16:49:08 <sandro> manu: Nathan did a lot of work on this for the RDFa API

Manu Sporny: Nathan did a lot of work on this for the RDFa API [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ]

16:49:10 <pfps> here we go ... named graphs for attribution vs named graphs for intent

Peter Patel-Schneider: here we go ... named graphs for attribution vs named graphs for intent

16:49:18 <danbri>  nearby: Toby's RDFa draft, http://buzzword.org.uk/2009/rdfa4/spec

Dan Brickley: nearby: Toby's RDFa draft, http://buzzword.org.uk/2009/rdfa4/spec

16:49:29 <Guus> q?

Guus Schreiber: q?

16:49:36 <PatHayes> Also, there is right now no such thing as a graph that changes with time.

Patrick Hayes: Also, there is right now no such thing as a graph that changes with time.

16:49:54 <danbri> q-

Dan Brickley: q-

16:49:59 <sandro> PatHayes, there multiple meanings of the word "graph"  :-)

Sandro Hawke: PatHayes, there multiple meanings of the word "graph" :-)

16:50:00 <JFB> we should go with an initial document (condensed use cases?)

we should go with an initial document (condensed use cases?)

16:50:18 <sandro> q-

Sandro Hawke: q-

16:50:30 <pfps> q- as the discussion is bringing up the divergence

Peter Patel-Schneider: q- as the discussion is bringing up the divergence

16:50:34 <pfps> q-

Peter Patel-Schneider: q-

16:50:45 <JFB> Pat Hayes:

Pat Hayes:

16:51:06 <sandro> PatHayes: I want to emphasize what Alex said.      The various proposals are solving subtely different problems.

Patrick Hayes: I want to emphasize what Alex said. The various proposals are solving subtely different problems. [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ]

16:51:09 <JFB> various proposals solve different problems

various proposals solve different problems

16:51:10 <ivan> ack PatHayes

Ivan Herman: ack PatHayes

16:51:12 <sandro> q+

Sandro Hawke: q+

16:51:23 <JFB> need clarification

need clarification

16:51:33 <manu1> I agree, we do need clarifications on basic RDF concepts - merging graphs, etc.

Manu Sporny: I agree, we do need clarifications on basic RDF concepts - merging graphs, etc.

16:51:36 <pfps> +1 to Pat's call for clarification

Peter Patel-Schneider: +1 to Pat's call for clarification

16:51:38 <sandro> pat: if a graph gets merged into a big triple store, can I still find it

Patrick Hayes: if a graph gets merged into a big triple store, can I still find it [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ]

16:51:44 <JFB>  example: is a merged graph still an identifiable graph

example: is a merged graph still an identifiable graph

16:51:53 <danbri> +1

Dan Brickley: +1

16:51:53 <sandro> pat: and manu said graphs change with time, but they can't.

Patrick Hayes: and manu said graphs change with time, but they can't. [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ]

16:51:56 <gavinc> +1

Gavin Carothers: +1

16:52:03 <JFB> in rdf graphs are sets that don't change

in rdf graphs are sets that don't change

16:52:04 <zwu2> +1 PatHayes

Zhe Wu: +1 PatHayes

16:52:12 <sandro> q-

Sandro Hawke: q-

16:52:30 <FabGandon> +1 to use cases

Fabien Gandon: +1 to use cases

16:52:32 <sandro> pat: we need a collection of clear use cases

Patrick Hayes: we need a collection of clear use cases [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ]

16:52:41 <JFB> consensus on the usefulness of use cases?

consensus on the usefulness of use cases?

16:52:42 <sandro> q?

Sandro Hawke: q?

16:52:44 <ivan> q+

Ivan Herman: q+

16:52:48 <pfps> I don't know about a *large* collection of use cases - perhaps a moderate number of use cases would be better

Peter Patel-Schneider: I don't know about a *large* collection of use cases - perhaps a moderate number of use cases would be better

16:52:51 <danbri>  nearby: w3c provenance incubator report: http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/prov/XGR-prov-20101214/ (and a WG is currently being proposed)

Dan Brickley: nearby: w3c provenance incubator report: http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/prov/XGR-prov-20101214/ (and a WG is currently being proposed)

16:52:52 <PatHayes> Pfps, then you need to check your set theory books again :-)

Patrick Hayes: Pfps, then you need to check your set theory books again :-)

16:53:02 <danbri> check the XG report for use cases

Dan Brickley: check the XG report for use cases

16:53:14 <sandro> I'd like a *small* and *succinct* collection of use cases, if that's at all possible.

Sandro Hawke: I'd like a *small* and *succinct* collection of use cases, if that's at all possible.

16:53:21 <AxelPolleres> �Are you talking about mutable graph stores? please cf. the work in SPARQL1.1 http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/http-rdf-update/ (note that this is an Editor's draft)

Axel Polleres: �Are you talking about mutable graph stores? please cf. the work in SPARQL1.1 http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/http-rdf-update/ (note that this is an Editor's draft)

16:53:30 <yvesr> we (bbc) can contribute use-cases

Yves Raimond: we (bbc) can contribute use-cases

16:53:34 <AxelPolleres> +1 to ivan

Axel Polleres: +1 to ivan

16:53:37 <JFB> can someone explain the way sparqle uses named grzaphs?

Ivan Herman: can someone explain the way sparqle uses named grzaphs?

16:53:48 <AxelPolleres> q+

Axel Polleres: q+

16:53:49 <PatHayes> pfps, maybe not, but right now thats what the specs say.

Patrick Hayes: pfps, maybe not, but right now thats what the specs say.

16:53:49 <sandro> s/can/ivan: can/
16:53:54 <FabGandon> +1 to link to GRAPH / FROM / FROM NAME

Fabien Gandon: +1 to link to GRAPH / FROM / FROM NAME

16:53:54 <sandro> ack ivan

Sandro Hawke: ack ivan

16:54:02 <ivan> ack ivan

Ivan Herman: ack ivan

16:54:02 <Guus> ack

Guus Schreiber: ack

16:54:13 <JFB> Ivan, then...

Ivan, then...

16:54:15 <Guus> ack

Guus Schreiber: ack

16:54:28 <Guus> ack AxelPolleres

Guus Schreiber: ack AxelPolleres

16:55:14 <sandro> AxelPolleres: SPARQL has datasets which are a good basis for this work.     Also, "changes of graphs" are addressed in SPARQL 1.1 update.

Axel Polleres: SPARQL has datasets which are a good basis for this work. Also, "changes of graphs" are addressed in SPARQL 1.1 update. [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ]

16:55:50 <JFB> action for use case format

action for use case format

16:55:50 <trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - for

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16:56:14 <JFB> who?

who?

16:56:16 <PatHayes> sandro, our work is to fix RDF. Right now the RDF specs say a grraph is a set. Sets do not change with time. SPARQL can say what it likes, but if it says a set can change with time then it is just flat wrong.

Patrick Hayes: sandro, our work is to fix RDF. Right now the RDF specs say a grraph is a set. Sets do not change with time. SPARQL can say what it likes, but if it says a set can change with time then it is just flat wrong.

16:56:20 <JFB> Fabien

Fabien

16:56:22 <gavinc> Willing to provide some use cases as well

Gavin Carothers: Willing to provide some use cases as well

16:56:36 <ivan> action: Guus to provide a use case format

ACTION: Guus to provide a use case format

16:56:36 <trackbot> Created ACTION-1 - Provide a use case format [on Guus Schreiber - due 2011-03-02].

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16:56:40 <JFB> and Gavin

and Gavin

16:57:21 <Zakim> -mischat

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16:57:21 <JFB> Fabien, Manu and Gavin will contribute

Fabien, Manu and Gavin will contribute

16:57:26 <manu1> ACTION: Manu to provide use cases for temporal graphs and digital signatures on graphs.

ACTION: Manu to provide use cases for temporal graphs and digital signatures on graphs.

16:57:26 <trackbot> Created ACTION-2 - Provide use cases for temporal graphs and digital signatures on graphs. [on Manu Sporny - due 2011-03-02].

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16:57:34 <ivan> action: Fabien to provide a use case for graphs

ACTION: Fabien to provide a use case for graphs

16:57:35 <trackbot> Created ACTION-3 - Provide a use case for graphs [on Fabien Gandon - due 2011-03-02].

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16:57:38 <danbri> action: danbri, draft a use case for named graphs from FOAF work

ACTION: danbri, draft a use case for named graphs from FOAF work

16:57:38 <trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - danbri,

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16:57:44 <danbri> action: danbri draft a use case for named graphs from FOAF work

ACTION: danbri draft a use case for named graphs from FOAF work

16:57:44 <trackbot> Created ACTION-4 - Draft a use case for named graphs from FOAF work [on Dan Brickley - due 2011-03-02].

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16:58:15 <yvesr> action: yvesr draft a use case for named graphs from BBC work

ACTION: yvesr draft a use case for named graphs from BBC work

16:58:15 <trackbot> Created ACTION-5 - Draft a use case for named graphs from BBC work [on Yves Raimond - due 2011-03-02].

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16:58:16 <gavinc> I'm happy to provide the ones from Jermey

Gavin Carothers: I'm happy to provide the ones from Jermey

16:58:18 <webr3> I'll take up an action to write a wiki page clarifying the difference in the approaches, and possible tie to the use cases others write up (which falls where) - if that's useful

Nathan Rixham: I'll take up an action to write a wiki page clarifying the difference in the approaches, and possible tie to the use cases others write up (which falls where) - if that's useful

16:58:23 <ivan> action: PatHayes to provide a use case for graphs

ACTION: PatHayes to provide a use case for graphs

16:58:23 <trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - PatHayes

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16:58:25 <Zakim> +Luca

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16:58:25 <JFB> list of use cases: Jeremy, PAt

list of use cases: Jeremy, PAt

16:58:41 <pchampin> zakim, Luca is me

Pierre-Antoine Champin: zakim, Luca is me

16:58:41 <Zakim> +pchampin; got it

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16:58:50 <ivan> action: hayes to provide use case for graphs

ACTION: hayes to provide use case for graphs

16:58:50 <trackbot> Created ACTION-6 - Provide use case for graphs [on Patrick Hayes - due 2011-03-02].

Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-6 - Provide use case for graphs [on Patrick Hayes - due 2011-03-02].

16:59:29 <webr3> action: nathan to write a wiki page clarifying the difference in the common approaches (named/literal)

ACTION: nathan to write a wiki page clarifying the difference in the common approaches (named/literal)

16:59:29 <trackbot> Created ACTION-7 - Write a wiki page clarifying the difference in the common approaches (named/literal) [on Nathan Rixham - due 2011-03-02].

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16:59:39 <ivan> action: bauer to provide a use case for graphs

ACTION: bauer to provide a use case for graphs

16:59:39 <trackbot> Created ACTION-8 - Provide a use case for graphs [on Scott Bauer - due 2011-03-02].

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16:59:54 <Zakim> +??P41

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17:00:11 <mischat> zakim, ??P41 is me

Mischa Tuffield: zakim, ??P41 is me

17:00:12 <Zakim> +mischat; got it

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17:00:13 <dfensel6_> yes

Dieter Fensel: yes

17:00:18 <mischat> zakim, mute me

Mischa Tuffield: zakim, mute me

17:00:18 <Zakim> mischat should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: mischat should now be muted

17:00:20 <dfensel6_> zakim, unmute

Dieter Fensel: zakim, unmute

17:00:21 <Zakim> I don't understand 'unmute', dfensel6_

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17:00:31 <dfensel6_> yes

Dieter Fensel: yes

17:00:42 <JFB> use cases: olivier corby will surely contribute, and fensel

use cases: olivier corby will surely contribute, and fensel

17:01:01 <ivan> action: hall to provide a revelytrix use case for graphs

ACTION: hall to provide a revelytrix use case for graphs

17:01:01 <trackbot> Created ACTION-9 - Provide a revelytrix use case for graphs [on Alex Hall - due 2011-03-02].

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17:01:08 <mischat> zakim, unmute me

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17:01:47 <ivan> action: pfps to come up with something on use cases for graphs

ACTION: pfps to come up with something on use cases for graphs

17:01:47 <trackbot> Created ACTION-10 - Come up with something on use cases for graphs [on Peter Patel-Schneider - due 2011-03-02].

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17:02:16 <yvesr> q+

Yves Raimond: q+

17:02:20 <mischat> action: mischat to provide Garlik pov re: use-cases with SteveH

ACTION: mischat to provide Garlik pov re: use-cases with SteveH

17:02:20 <trackbot> Created ACTION-11 - Provide Garlik pov re: use-cases with SteveH [on Mischa Tuffield - due 2011-03-02].

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17:02:58 <JFB> Nathan starts wikipage for use cases?

Nathan starts wikipage for use cases?

17:03:24 <AZ> I'm here

Antoine Zimmermann: I'm here

17:03:33 <AZ> zakim, unmute me

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17:03:38 <yvesr> q-

Yves Raimond: q-

17:04:00 <ivan> q+

Ivan Herman: q+

17:04:27 <AZ> zakim, mute me

Antoine Zimmermann: zakim, mute me

17:04:27 <Zakim> AZ should now be muted

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17:04:39 <FabGandon> +1 to link to Provenance XG

Fabien Gandon: +1 to link to Provenance XG

17:04:49 <ivan> action: guus to talk to paul groth to get a provenance use case for graphs

ACTION: guus to talk to paul groth to get a provenance use case for graphs

17:04:49 <trackbot> Created ACTION-12 - Talk to paul groth to get a provenance use case for graphs [on Guus Schreiber - due 2011-03-02].

Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-12 - Talk to paul groth to get a provenance use case for graphs [on Guus Schreiber - due 2011-03-02].

17:04:55 <mischat> +1 to liase with pgroth

Mischa Tuffield: +1 to liase with pgroth

17:05:11 <webr3> q.. i can still add use cases without taking on an action to do so, yes?

Nathan Rixham: q.. i can still add use cases without taking on an action to do so, yes?

17:06:13 <PatHayes> I am muted. I swear, I am muted.

Patrick Hayes: I am muted. I swear, I am muted.

17:06:28 <JFB> Other problems to address?

Other problems to address?

17:08:18 <danbri> issue: Between us, we need to study the feedback we got via http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-rdf-comments/ on the previous round of specs (and errata)

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17:08:29 <mbrunati> ok, bye

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17:08:35 <AZ> bye

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17:12:28 <sandro> JFB, there was a mistake made in the setup for the meeting which will complicate the next step with scribing -- I'll take care of it, then send you email.

Sandro Hawke: JFB, there was a mistake made in the setup for the meeting which will complicate the next step with scribing -- I'll take care of it, then send you email.

17:12:41 <sandro> (not your mistake -- a chairs/staff mistake)

Sandro Hawke: (not your mistake -- a chairs/staff mistake)

17:13:09 <danbri> (rrsagent missing?)

Dan Brickley: (rrsagent missing?)

17:13:22 <sandro> yep  :)

Sandro Hawke: yep :)

17:13:25 <davidwood> ugh!

David Wood: ugh!

17:13:28 <davidwood> Sorry

David Wood: Sorry

17:13:39 <davidwood> Thanks, Sandro

David Wood: Thanks, Sandro

17:16:53 <danbri> re json, ... do / in URIs need to be escaped?

Dan Brickley: re json, ... do / in URIs need to be escaped?

17:17:06 <danbri> i've seen http:\/\/ but not sure if mandatory

Dan Brickley: i've seen http:\/\/ but not sure if mandatory

17:18:04 <webr3> danbri, in JSON yes, but many author JSON as JS objects then JSON.encode it (which does that)

Nathan Rixham: danbri, in JSON yes, but many author JSON as JS objects then JSON.encode it (which does that)

17:18:27 <sandro> danbri, you mean quotes are not being used?

Sandro Hawke: danbri, you mean quotes are not being used?

17:19:39 <danbri> with quotes

Dan Brickley: with quotes

17:20:13 <danbri> i guess i saw some examples without the escaping

Dan Brickley: i guess i saw some examples without the escaping

17:20:26 <webr3> well, it's optional infact

Nathan Rixham: well, it's optional infact

17:20:38 <danbri> gotta run

Dan Brickley: gotta run

17:20:39 <webr3> but \ always needs encoded (not /)

Nathan Rixham: but \ always needs encoded (not /)

17:21:13 <webr3> just for anybody following valid: { "foo": "http://example.org/" }

Nathan Rixham: just for anybody following valid: { "foo": "http://example.org/" }

17:22:12 <webr3> also valid: { "foo": "http:\/\/example.org\/" }

Nathan Rixham: also valid: { "foo": "http:\/\/example.org\/" }

17:22:38 <webr3>  invalid: { "foo": "\wrong slash\" }

Nathan Rixham: invalid: { "foo": "\wrong slash\" }

17:23:16 <davidwood> yeah, ok

David Wood: yeah, ok



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