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Provenance Working Group Teleconference

Minutes of 25 April 2013

Agenda
http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/wiki/Meetings:Telecon2013.04.25
Seen
Christine Runnegar, Craig Trim, Curt Tilmes, Daniel Garijo, Hook Hua, James Cheney, Khalid Belhajjame, Luc Moreau, Paolo Missier, Paul Groth, Sam Coppens, Satya Sahoo, Simon Miles, Stephan Zednik, Stian Soiland-Reyes, Timothy Lebo, Tom De Nies, Trung Huynh
Regrets
Curt Tilmes
Chair
Luc Moreau
Scribe
Paolo Missier
IRC Log
Original
Resolutions
  1. last week's minutes link
Topics
  1. admin

  2. status

    All documents were staged and publication request sent to webmaster.

  3. Provenance Working Group End Date

    We agreed that we would need two-three weeks to undertake the clean up activities. We will firm up the end date at the next teleconference.

  4. provenance of documents

    Most editors agreed to use prov-family as the default provenance for their documents. prov-o will use their own file and refer to prov-family. Participants were invited to make final checks on that file. We will liaise with Ivan to stage these files in time for publication date.

  5. Finalizing /ns

    We agreed to move all schema/ontology files out of /TR into /ns. This requires restaging prov-links/prov-dictionary/prov-xml, after updating links to schema/ontology files.

  6. Wiki

    We agreed on tidying up that was required.

  7. dissemination/announcement

    Paul has a series of blog posts to publish. Luc will write a blog post on the family of documents. Daniel has a PROV tutorial at DC conference. Please keep on publicizing the work done by the group.

14:38:22 <RRSAgent> logging to http://www.w3.org/2013/04/25-prov-irc

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14:38:24 <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs world

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14:38:26 <Luc> Zakim, this will be PROV

Luc Moreau: Zakim, this will be PROV

14:38:26 <Zakim> ok, Luc; I see SW_(PROV)11:00AM scheduled to start in 22 minutes

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14:38:26 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be PROV

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14:38:27 <trackbot> Meeting: Provenance Working Group Teleconference
14:38:27 <trackbot> Date: 25 April 2013
14:38:28 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see SW_(PROV)11:00AM scheduled to start in 22 minutes

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14:38:36 <Luc> Agenda: http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/wiki/Meetings:Telecon2013.04.25
14:38:47 <Luc> Chair: Luc Moreau
14:38:57 <Luc> Scribe: Paolo Missier

(Scribe set to Paolo Missier)

14:39:04 <Luc> rrsagent, make logs public

Luc Moreau: rrsagent, make logs public

14:39:27 <Luc> Regrets: Curt Tilmes
14:56:41 <Zakim> SW_(PROV)11:00AM has now started

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14:56:48 <Zakim> +??P25

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14:56:57 <smiles> zakim, ??P25 is me

Simon Miles: zakim, ??P25 is me

14:56:57 <Zakim> +smiles; got it

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14:57:18 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]

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14:57:26 <pgroth> Zakim, [IPcaller] is me

Paul Groth: Zakim, [IPcaller] is me

14:57:26 <Zakim> +pgroth; got it

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14:59:33 <Zakim> + +44.238.059.aaaa

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14:59:48 <Luc> zakim, +44.238.059.aaaa is me

Luc Moreau: zakim, +44.238.059.aaaa is me

14:59:48 <Zakim> +Luc; got it

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15:00:13 <Luc> hi paolo, everything is set up. Are you still ok to scribe?

Luc Moreau: hi paolo, everything is set up. Are you still ok to scribe?

15:00:18 <Zakim> + +1.661.382.aabb

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15:00:30 <CraigTrim> zakim, +aabb is me

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15:00:30 <Zakim> sorry, CraigTrim, I do not recognize a party named '+aabb'

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15:00:52 <Zakim> +jcheney

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15:00:55 <Luc> zakim, who is here?

Luc Moreau: zakim, who is here?

15:00:55 <Zakim> On the phone I see smiles, pgroth, Luc, +1.661.382.aabb, jcheney

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see smiles, pgroth, Luc, +1.661.382.aabb, jcheney

15:00:57 <Zakim> On IRC I see jcheney, CraigTrim, Paolo, pgroth, smiles, Zakim, RRSAgent, Luc, TallTed, stain, GK-ALT, trackbot

Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see jcheney, CraigTrim, Paolo, pgroth, smiles, Zakim, RRSAgent, Luc, TallTed, stain, GK-ALT, trackbot

15:01:10 <CraigTrim> Zakim, aabb is me

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15:01:10 <Zakim> +CraigTrim; got it

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15:01:16 <Zakim> -smiles

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15:01:20 <Zakim> + +1.315.330.aacc

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15:01:30 <tlebo> zakim, I am aacc

Timothy Lebo: zakim, I am aacc

15:01:33 <Zakim> +tlebo; got it

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15:02:05 <Zakim> + +1.818.731.aadd

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15:02:08 <Luc> topic: admin

1. admin

15:02:17 <Luc> proposed: approve last week's minutes

PROPOSED: approve last week's minutes

15:02:21 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]

Zakim IRC Bot: +[IPcaller]

15:02:24 <Luc> https://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/prov/2013-04-18

Luc Moreau: https://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/prov/2013-04-18

15:02:31 <Zakim> +??P38

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15:02:33 <Zakim> +??P37

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15:02:35 <Paolo> +1

+1

15:02:39 <CraigTrim> +1

Craig Trim: +1

15:02:40 <dgarijo> Zakim, ??P38 is me

Daniel Garijo: Zakim, ??P38 is me

15:02:40 <Zakim> +dgarijo; got it

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15:02:42 <jcheney> +1

James Cheney: +1

15:02:43 <dgarijo> +1

Daniel Garijo: +1

15:02:43 <hook> +1

Hook Hua: +1

15:02:47 <christine> Zakim, ??P38 is christine

Christine Runnegar: Zakim, ??P38 is christine

15:02:47 <Zakim> I already had ??P38 as dgarijo, christine

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15:02:48 <smiles> +1

Simon Miles: +1

15:03:03 <christine> Zakim, ??P37 is christine

Christine Runnegar: Zakim, ??P37 is christine

15:03:03 <Zakim> +christine; got it

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15:03:13 <Luc> ACCEPTED:  last week's minutes

RESOLVED: last week's minutes

15:03:14 <Zakim> +[IPcaller.a]

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15:03:26 <Luc> topic: status

2. status

Summary: All documents were staged and publication request sent to webmaster.

<luc>Summary: All documents were staged and publication request sent to webmaster.
15:03:56 <dgarijo> :)

Daniel Garijo: :)

15:03:57 <pgroth> q+

Paul Groth: q+

15:04:06 <Paolo> Luc: pub request sent to webmaster, all docs are now ready for publication.

Luc Moreau: pub request sent to webmaster, all docs are now ready for publication.

15:04:10 <Zakim> +[IPcaller.aa]

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15:04:20 <Luc> q?

Luc Moreau: q?

15:04:23 <khalidBelhajjame> zakim, [IPcaller.aa] is me

Khalid Belhajjame: zakim, [IPcaller.aa] is me

15:04:24 <Zakim> +khalidBelhajjame; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +khalidBelhajjame; got it

15:04:31 <Paolo> Luc: editors can find their docs at their final location if they need tomake final-final (final) check

Luc Moreau: editors can find their docs at their final location if they need tomake final-final (final) check

15:04:53 <Paolo> pgroth: last minute changes to provenance of docs

Paul Groth: last minute changes to provenance of docs

15:04:59 <pgroth> ack pgroth

Paul Groth: ack pgroth

15:05:08 <Luc> ack pg

Luc Moreau: ack pg

15:05:09 <Paolo> Luc: can still ask for minor changes

Luc Moreau: can still ask for minor changes

15:05:23 <Zakim> +??P0

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15:05:32 <Paolo> pgroth: issue was that rel link was missing

Paul Groth: issue was that rel link was missing

15:05:51 <zednik> rel link will need to be added to PROV-XML as well

Stephan Zednik: rel link will need to be added to PROV-XML as well

15:05:53 <pgroth> :-) :-)

Paul Groth: :-) :-)

15:05:57 <Dong> Zakim, ??P0 is me

Trung Huynh: Zakim, ??P0 is me

15:05:57 <Zakim> +Dong; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +Dong; got it

15:06:00 <Luc> topic: Provenance Working Group End Date

3. Provenance Working Group End Date

Summary: We agreed that we would need two-three weeks to undertake the clean up activities. We will firm up the end date at the next teleconference.

<luc>Summary: We agreed that we would need two-three weeks to undertake the clean up activities. We will firm up the end date at the next teleconference.
15:06:04 <dgarijo> http://www.w3.org/TR/2012/NOTE-prov-dc-20130430/ ----> 404 :(((

Daniel Garijo: http://www.w3.org/TR/2012/NOTE-prov-dc-20130430/ ----> 404 :(((

15:06:05 <Paolo> Luc: this means we have finished our job!

Luc Moreau: this means we have finished our job!

15:06:39 <Zakim> +Satya_Sahoo

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15:06:55 <pgroth> @zednik - you need to inform ivan

Paul Groth: @zednik - you need to inform ivan

15:07:07 <Paolo> zednik: there is currently no link to prov of XML note -- this will be done shortly

Stephan Zednik: there is currently no link to prov of XML note -- this will be done shortly

15:07:08 <zednik> @pgroth, thanks

Stephan Zednik: @pgroth, thanks

15:07:30 <pgroth> @zednik you need to tell ivan to do the redirect

Paul Groth: @zednik you need to tell ivan to do the redirect

15:07:32 <Paolo> Luc: @dgarijo should be 2013, not 2012

Luc Moreau: @dgarijo should be 2013, not 2012

15:07:41 <dgarijo> ahhhhh thanks. I just took it from the email :P

Daniel Garijo: ahhhhh thanks. I just took it from the email :P

15:07:43 <Zakim> +TomDN

Zakim IRC Bot: +TomDN

15:07:46 <dgarijo> it works

Daniel Garijo: it works

15:07:50 <TomDN> Zakim, mute me

Tom De Nies: Zakim, mute me

15:07:50 <Zakim> TomDN should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: TomDN should now be muted

15:08:03 <Luc> q?

Luc Moreau: q?

15:08:06 <Paolo> Luc: final tidy up job with pgroth to be completed soon

Luc Moreau: final tidy up job with pgroth to be completed soon

15:08:08 <smiles> Fine by me

Simon Miles: Fine by me

15:08:12 <Paolo> Luc: feedback?

Luc Moreau: feedback?

15:08:17 <pgroth> q+

Paul Groth: q+

15:08:26 <Luc> q?

Luc Moreau: q?

15:08:30 <SamCoppens> zakim, I am with TomDN

Sam Coppens: zakim, I am with TomDN

15:08:30 <Zakim> +SamCoppens; got it

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15:09:12 <pgroth> yeah we need help :-)

Paul Groth: yeah we need help :-)

15:09:20 <Luc> ack pg

Luc Moreau: ack pg

15:09:35 <Paolo> Luc: correct, Luc and pgroth actually looking for help for the remaining tasks

Luc Moreau: correct, Luc and pgroth actually looking for help for the remaining tasks

15:09:48 <smiles> I can do something next week, but am not available the week after

Simon Miles: I can do something next week, but am not available the week after

15:09:54 <satya> what are the tasks?

Satya Sahoo: what are the tasks?

15:10:25 <pgroth> agreed

Paul Groth: agreed

15:10:26 <Paolo> pgroth: do we still need calls?

Paul Groth: do we still need calls?

15:10:34 <pgroth> satya asks a good question

Paul Groth: satya asks a good question

15:11:15 <Paolo> Luc: decisions on scheduling remaining work and deciding on end date are circular ...

Luc Moreau: decisions on scheduling remaining work and deciding on end date are circular ...

15:11:17 <pgroth> I would say May 16

Paul Groth: I would say May 16

15:11:50 <Luc> q?

Luc Moreau: q?

15:12:09 <Paolo> pgroth: remaining tasks are indicated in the agenda

Paul Groth: remaining tasks are indicated in the agenda

15:12:16 <pgroth> good with me

Paul Groth: good with me

15:12:27 <Luc> topic: provenance of documents

4. provenance of documents

Summary: Most editors agreed to use prov-family as the default provenance for their documents. prov-o will use their own file and refer to prov-family. Participants were invited to make final checks on that file. We will liaise with Ivan to stage these files in time for publication date.

<luc>Summary: Most editors agreed to use prov-family as the default provenance for their documents. prov-o will use their own file and refer to prov-family.  Participants were invited to make final checks on that file. We will liaise with Ivan to stage these files in time for publication date.
15:12:39 <Paolo> Luc: task: provenance of documents

Luc Moreau: task: provenance of documents

15:13:03 <Paolo> Luc: editors make sure there is a link to prov in their docs, and that such provenance has content

Luc Moreau: editors make sure there is a link to prov in their docs, and that such provenance has content

15:13:05 <Luc> https://raw.github.com/lucmoreau/ProvToolbox/newschema/prov-n/src/test/resources/prov/prov-family.provn

Luc Moreau: https://raw.github.com/lucmoreau/ProvToolbox/newschema/prov-n/src/test/resources/prov/prov-family.provn

15:13:38 <pgroth> I will use it for prov-overview and prov-aq

Paul Groth: I will use it for prov-overview and prov-aq

15:13:54 <Paolo> Luc: the link above should cover most docs. Asking editors what they intend to do

Luc Moreau: the link above should cover most docs. Asking editors what they intend to do

15:14:26 <Paolo> dgarijo: prov-dc:  added statements to provenance of prov-dc

Daniel Garijo: prov-dc: added statements to provenance of prov-dc

15:14:47 <TomDN> how would that work with the staged documents with their has_provenance url? redirect all the urls to the same provenance file?

Tom De Nies: how would that work with the staged documents with their has_provenance url? redirect all the urls to the same provenance file?

15:15:01 <Paolo> dgarijo: going to use whatever prov doc is more complete

Daniel Garijo: going to use whatever prov doc is more complete

15:15:04 <pgroth> @TomDN yes that sounds good

Paul Groth: @TomDN yes that sounds good

15:15:50 <Paolo> Luc: @dgarijo  please check that the prov family file is correct from your POV

Luc Moreau: @dgarijo please check that the prov family file is correct from your POV

15:15:55 <pgroth> probably zednick

Paul Groth: probably zednick

15:16:33 <tlebo> @zednick, that goes to https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/prov/file/tip/provenance right?

Timothy Lebo: @zednick, that goes to https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/prov/file/tip/provenance right?

15:16:36 <Paolo> zednik: prov file is in turtle atm. using own prov file for prov-XML

Stephan Zednik: prov file is in turtle atm. using own prov file for prov-XML

15:16:59 <pgroth> @tlebo it should go in something like prov-xml.ttl in that directory

Paul Groth: @tlebo it should go in something like prov-xml.ttl in that directory

15:17:01 <Paolo> zednik: will check prov family file and make sure it is correct for prov-xml

Stephan Zednik: will check prov family file and make sure it is correct for prov-xml

15:17:35 <Paolo> jcheney: prov-family looks file for both prov-constraints and prov-sem

James Cheney: prov-family looks fine for both prov-constraints and prov-sem

15:17:43 <Paolo> s/file/fine
15:18:00 <Paolo> pgroth: will use prov-family for prov-AQ and prov-overview

Paul Groth: will use prov-family for prov-AQ and prov-overview

15:18:04 <Dong> Provenance for prov-implementations (www.w3.org/2011/prov/provenance/prov-implementations) has been linked to the staged document.

Trung Huynh: Provenance for prov-implementations (www.w3.org/2011/prov/provenance/prov-implementations) has been linked to the staged document.

15:18:13 <Paolo> pgroth: requested one change for prov-AQ

Paul Groth: requested one change for prov-AQ

15:18:27 <Dong> I've check the prov-family file for prov-implementations part. All is good.

Trung Huynh: I've check the prov-family file for prov-implementations part. All is good.

15:18:37 <TomDN> Zakim, unmute me

Tom De Nies: Zakim, unmute me

15:18:37 <Zakim> TomDN should no longer be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: TomDN should no longer be muted

15:18:48 <Paolo> TomDN: will use prov-family

Tom De Nies: will use prov-family

15:18:59 <Paolo> TomDN: content seems fine

Tom De Nies: content seems fine

15:19:03 <Dong> I'm also happy to use the prov-family file as well, but not sure how.

Trung Huynh: I'm also happy to use the prov-family file as well, but not sure how.

15:19:06 <TomDN> Zakim, mute me

Tom De Nies: Zakim, mute me

15:19:06 <Zakim> TomDN should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: TomDN should now be muted

15:19:23 <Paolo> smiles: checked prov-family, fine and will be used

Simon Miles: checked prov-family, fine and will be used

15:19:31 <Paolo> smiles: for prov-primer

Simon Miles: for prov-primer

15:19:38 <tlebo> https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/prov/file/tip/provenance/prov-o.ttl

Timothy Lebo: https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/prov/file/tip/provenance/prov-o.ttl

15:19:58 <Paolo> tlebo: prov-o has been updating its own file, would like to tie it into the prov-family

Timothy Lebo: prov-o has been updating its own file, would like to tie it into the prov-family

15:20:07 <Paolo> tlebo: is there a prov-o version of it?

Timothy Lebo: is there a prov-o version of it?

15:20:15 <Paolo> Luc: yes, coming up

Luc Moreau: yes, coming up

15:20:36 <Paolo> tlebo: if there is an RDF version then will blend own with prov-family

Timothy Lebo: if there is an RDF version then will blend own with prov-family

15:20:55 <Paolo> tlebo: not yet reviewed prov-family  for content

Timothy Lebo: not yet reviewed prov-family for content

15:21:09 <pgroth> q+

Paul Groth: q+

15:21:15 <Paolo> Luc: prov-family does not conver prov-implementation

Luc Moreau: prov-family does not conver prov-implementation

15:21:18 <pgroth> what?

Paul Groth: what?

15:21:21 <Luc> poor quality!

Luc Moreau: poor quality!

15:21:26 <Paolo> Dong:  (can't hear, sorry)

Trung Huynh: (can't hear, sorry)

15:21:31 <Zakim> +[IPcaller.aa]

Zakim IRC Bot: +[IPcaller.aa]

15:21:37 <pgroth> q+

Paul Groth: q+

15:21:43 <pgroth> maybe I can talk

Paul Groth: maybe I can talk

15:21:49 <Paolo> @dong: can you please type

@dong: can you please type

15:22:24 <Dong> You already have information on prov-implementations in the prov-family file

Trung Huynh: You already have information on prov-implementations in the prov-family file

15:22:31 <Dong> I'm happy to use it

Trung Huynh: I'm happy to use it

15:22:34 <Paolo> pgroth: should use prov-family for prov-implementation

Paul Groth: should use prov-family for prov-implementation

15:22:39 <pgroth> sorry

Paul Groth: sorry

15:22:53 <pgroth> ack pgroth

Paul Groth: ack pgroth

15:23:25 <Paolo> Luc: prov-xml, prov-o, prov-dc will have their own provenance, others will use prov-family

Luc Moreau: prov-xml, prov-o, prov-dc will have their own provenance, others will use prov-family

15:24:00 <Luc> q?

Luc Moreau: q?

15:24:03 <Paolo> Luc: RDF generated by toolbox from prov-n not very friendly, also some comments will be lost. Looking for human editors of the generated prov-o

Luc Moreau: RDF generated by toolbox from prov-n not very friendly, also some comments will be lost. Looking for human editors of the generated prov-o

15:24:36 <stain> cwm can make it quite pretty

Stian Soiland-Reyes: cwm can make it quite pretty

15:24:57 <Paolo> Luc: rdf is correct but not very tidy.

Luc Moreau: rdf is correct but not very tidy.

15:25:08 <Paolo> tlebo: offering to look at it

Timothy Lebo: offering to look at it

15:25:29 <Luc> q?

Luc Moreau: q?

15:25:43 <Paolo> Luc: anyone keen to look at the generated XML file? may require some editing after gen

Luc Moreau: anyone keen to look at the generated XML file? may require some editing after gen

15:25:52 <pgroth> maybe one of the xml guys?

Paul Groth: maybe one of the xml guys?

15:26:08 <Paolo> zednik: will do

Stephan Zednik: will do

15:26:41 <Paolo> Luc: will upload suitable version of prov-family to hg, then gen xml and rdf and send it on

Luc Moreau: will upload suitable version of prov-family to hg, then gen xml and rdf and send it on

15:26:41 <Luc> q?

Luc Moreau: q?

15:26:47 <pgroth> q+

Paul Groth: q+

15:28:03 <Luc> q?

Luc Moreau: q?

15:28:08 <pgroth> ack pgroth

Paul Groth: ack pgroth

15:28:10 <Luc> ack pg

Luc Moreau: ack pg

15:28:11 <Paolo> pgroth: will use redirect to separate the prov files for the different docs (modulo format)

Paul Groth: will use redirect to separate the prov files for the different docs (modulo format)

15:28:23 <Luc> Topic: Finalizing /ns

5. Finalizing /ns

Summary: We agreed to move all schema/ontology files out of /TR into /ns. This requires restaging prov-links/prov-dictionary/prov-xml, after updating links to schema/ontology files.

<luc>Summary: We agreed to move all schema/ontology files out of /TR into /ns. This requires restaging prov-links/prov-dictionary/prov-xml, after updating links to schema/ontology files.
15:29:31 <Paolo> tlebo: on OWL file: updating old scripts -- will require some time

Timothy Lebo: on OWL file: updating old scripts -- will require some time

15:29:48 <pgroth> q+

Paul Groth: q+

15:30:01 <Paolo> tlebo: need offline discussion to figure out what needs to be done

Timothy Lebo: need offline discussion to figure out what needs to be done

15:30:19 <Paolo> Luc: need proper OWL files for pub on Tue

Luc Moreau: need proper OWL files for pub on Tue

15:30:42 <Luc> ack pg

Luc Moreau: ack pg

15:31:17 <Paolo> pgroth: each doc where new terms are defined need to supply them into the "namespace" dir, supplied as Turtle

Paul Groth: each doc where new terms are defined need to supply them into the "namespace" dir, supplied as Turtle

15:31:53 <Paolo> pgroth: will email to clarify what needs to be done

Paul Groth: will email to clarify what needs to be done

15:32:57 <TomDN> PROV-Dictionary owl is at http://www.w3.org/TR/2013/NOTE-prov-dictionary-20130430/prov-dictionary.owl

Tom De Nies: PROV-Dictionary owl is at http://www.w3.org/TR/2013/NOTE-prov-dictionary-20130430/prov-dictionary.owl

15:33:03 <Luc> @tlebo, could you write the ttl file for prov-links

Luc Moreau: @tlebo, could you write the ttl file for prov-links

15:33:54 <Paolo> Luc: there is pressure to have the content of the file by Tue

Luc Moreau: there is pressure to have the content of the file by Tue

15:35:30 <TomDN> I see

Tom De Nies: I see

15:35:40 <Paolo> Luc: we agreed not to have schema/owl files in the TR dir, because they are frozen

Luc Moreau: we agreed not to have schema/owl files in the TR dir, because they are frozen

15:35:43 <TomDN> yes

Tom De Nies: yes

15:35:46 <stain> I think it's OK that there IS an OWL file there as long as it's not the one pointed to :)

Stian Soiland-Reyes: I think it's OK that there IS an OWL file there as long as it's not the one pointed to :)

15:35:50 <tlebo> @luc, yes, I'll lead the owl portions of links.

Timothy Lebo: @luc, yes, I'll lead the owl portions of links.

15:35:54 <Paolo> pgroth: but where do these point to?

Paul Groth: but where do these point to?

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15:36:06 <TomDN> +q

Tom De Nies: +q

15:37:05 <Paolo> pgroth: all files should be in ns

Paul Groth: all files should be in ns

15:37:34 <Paolo> pgroth: the copy in TR should not be pointed to in the doc

Paul Groth: the copy in TR should not be pointed to in the doc

15:37:47 <Paolo> Luc: those copies should be removed

Luc Moreau: those copies should be removed

15:38:05 <Luc> q?

Luc Moreau: q?

15:38:13 <Paolo> Luc: they make create confusion in the future

Luc Moreau: they make create confusion in the future

15:38:27 <TomDN> will do for prov-dict

Tom De Nies: will do for prov-dict

15:38:57 <Paolo> Luc: @TomDN please make the change

Luc Moreau: @TomDN please make the change

15:39:04 <Paolo> TomDN: will do for prov-dictionary

Tom De Nies: will do for prov-dictionary

15:39:39 <Luc> q?

Luc Moreau: q?

15:39:46 <Luc> ack to

Luc Moreau: ack to

15:40:03 <TomDN> +q

Tom De Nies: +q

15:40:40 <TomDN> http://www.w3.org/TR/2013/NOTE-prov-dictionary-20130430/#dictionary-xml-schema

Tom De Nies: http://www.w3.org/TR/2013/NOTE-prov-dictionary-20130430/#dictionary-xml-schema

15:40:47 <Paolo> TomDN: just checked the link, the schema is in TR for prov-XML?

Tom De Nies: just checked the link, the schema is in TR for prov-XML?

15:41:10 <TomDN> http://www.w3.org/TR/2013/NOTE-prov-xml-20130430/schema/prov-core.xsd

Tom De Nies: http://www.w3.org/TR/2013/NOTE-prov-xml-20130430/schema/prov-core.xsd

15:42:23 <Paolo> Luc: @ TomDN @ zednik need to make your changes

Luc Moreau: @ TomDN @ zednik need to make your changes

15:42:52 <Paolo> zednik: where should the schema directory go?

Stephan Zednik: where should the schema directory go?

15:42:59 <Luc> q?

Luc Moreau: q?

15:43:00 <Paolo> (sorry lost audio)

(sorry lost audio)

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15:44:10 <dgarijo> for the moment everything is done via Ivan

Daniel Garijo: for the moment everything is done via Ivan

15:45:24 <TomDN> ok, I'll do it right after the call

Tom De Nies: ok, I'll do it right after the call

15:45:56 <Paolo> brb

brb

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15:46:38 <Luc> q?

Luc Moreau: q?

15:46:42 <Paolo> (back)

(back)

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15:46:53 <Luc> ack to

Luc Moreau: ack to

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15:47:35 <Paolo> pgroth: should make a HTML version of our ns

Paul Groth: should make a HTML version of our ns

15:47:54 <Paolo> pgroth: easier to do when we have the complete integrated version

Paul Groth: easier to do when we have the complete integrated version

15:48:58 <Paolo> pgroth: work on the HTML will not start immediately, would appreciate help on it

Paul Groth: work on the HTML will not start immediately, would appreciate help on it

15:49:06 <tlebo> q+

Timothy Lebo: q+

15:49:23 <Paolo> Luc: anyone familiar with tools for ttl -> html?

Luc Moreau: anyone familiar with tools for ttl -> html?

15:49:36 <Luc> ack tl

Luc Moreau: ack tl

15:49:46 <stain> I thought we were going to keep the HTML as it is now; as we don't know if you want an XML schema or ontology or what

Stian Soiland-Reyes: I thought we were going to keep the HTML as it is now; as we don't know if you want an XML schema or ontology or what

15:50:15 <Paolo> pgroth: do we want a page with the actual defs for each term?

Paul Groth: do we want a page with the actual defs for each term?

15:50:43 <pgroth> that was the idea

Paul Groth: that was the idea

15:51:38 <Paolo> tlebo: converting ttl -> html should not be approach. instead reuse Luc's def. maker

Timothy Lebo: converting ttl -> html should not be approach. instead reuse Luc's def. maker

15:51:40 <stain> for http://purl.org/pav/ I did a simple XSLT to just list the terms and have hyperlinks to where they are defined. But we would have terms from different serializations

Stian Soiland-Reyes: for http://purl.org/pav/ I did a simple XSLT to just list the terms and have hyperlinks to where they are defined. But we would have terms from different serializations

15:51:42 <jcheney> http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml/ just has links to the relevant recs and working group charters...

James Cheney: http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml/ just has links to the relevant recs and working group charters...

15:52:01 <Luc> http://www.w3.org/TR/prov-dm/#prov-dm-to-prov-o-and-prov-n

Luc Moreau: http://www.w3.org/TR/prov-dm/#prov-dm-to-prov-o-and-prov-n

15:52:14 <Paolo> Luc: could this be a starting point

Luc Moreau: could this be a starting point

15:52:18 <Paolo> pgroth: yes

Paul Groth: yes

15:52:49 <tlebo> q+

Timothy Lebo: q+

15:53:15 <pgroth> yes

Paul Groth: yes

15:53:37 <Paolo> tlebo: not the right way to go

Timothy Lebo: not the right way to go

15:54:21 <Paolo> Luc: did not mean that the table should be what we will have. but each line has essentially the links we need

Luc Moreau: did not mean that the table should be what we will have. but each line has essentially the links we need

15:54:55 <pgroth> ye[

Paul Groth: ye[

15:54:56 <TomDN> @pgroth: so where do the files under /namespace end up? http://www.w3.org/ns/?

Tom De Nies: @pgroth: so where do the files under /namespace end up? http://www.w3.org/ns/?

15:55:00 <Paolo> Luc: in addition to the classes, we also need properties, so more work to do

Luc Moreau: in addition to the classes, we also need properties, so more work to do

15:55:13 <Paolo> Luc: HTML ont starting until next week

Luc Moreau: HTML not starting until next week

15:55:16 <Paolo> pgroth: correct

Paul Groth: correct

15:55:23 <Paolo> s/ont/not
15:55:43 <christine> apologies - have to chair a call on the hour

Christine Runnegar: apologies - have to chair a call on the hour

15:55:48 <Luc> topic: Wiki

6. Wiki

Summary: We agreed on tidying up that was required.

<luc>Summary: We agreed on tidying up that was required.
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15:56:13 <Paolo> Luc: need to tidy up the prov wiki, and contribute to the semweb wiki

Luc Moreau: need to tidy up the prov wiki, and contribute to the semweb wiki

15:57:06 <Paolo> pgroth: on main prov wiki: need to clean up news and active topics.

Paul Groth: on main prov wiki: need to clean up news and active topics.

15:57:42 <Paolo> pgroth: from semweb wiki  Remove outreach info, layout conventions...

Paul Groth: from semweb wiki Remove outreach info, layout conventions...

15:57:44 <satya> sorry, I have to leave now

Satya Sahoo: sorry, I have to leave now

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15:57:56 <Paolo> Luc: who is taking the lead

Luc Moreau: who is taking the lead

15:58:21 <Paolo> Luc: will do an edit on tue to update elements on the front page

Luc Moreau: will do an edit on tue to update elements on the front page

15:58:58 <Paolo> pgroth: (correction) will *move* Remove outreach info, layout conventions to semweb wiki from main prov wiki

Paul Groth: (correction) will *move* Remove outreach info, layout conventions to semweb wiki from main prov wiki

15:59:26 <Paolo> pgroth: nothing will be deleted

Paul Groth: nothing will be deleted

16:00:00 <smiles> If there are specific things for the Wiki that you can pass to me, I can help (except for the week of May 4-10)

Simon Miles: If there are specific things for the Wiki that you can pass to me, I can help (except for the week of May 4-10)

16:00:01 <Luc> q?

Luc Moreau: q?

16:00:11 <tlebo> q-

Timothy Lebo: q-

16:00:11 <Luc> ack tl

Luc Moreau: ack tl

16:00:21 <Luc> Topic: dissemination/announcement

7. dissemination/announcement

Summary: Paul has a series of blog posts to publish. Luc will write a blog post on the family of documents. Daniel has a PROV tutorial at DC conference. Please keep on publicizing the work done by the group.

<Luc>Summary: Paul has a series of blog posts to publish. Luc will write a blog post on the family of documents. Daniel has a PROV tutorial at DC conference.  Please keep on publicizing the work done by the group.
16:00:43 <Paolo> Luc: any dissemination plans?

Luc Moreau: any dissemination plans?

16:00:48 <dgarijo> I got a tutorial accepted in the DC conference in Lisbonne

Daniel Garijo: I got a tutorial accepted in the DC conference in Lisbonne

16:00:59 <dgarijo> with Kai

Daniel Garijo: with Kai

16:01:01 <pgroth> there are two blog posts in the queue

Paul Groth: there are two blog posts in the queue

16:01:04 <Paolo> Luc: will blog on the prov family page -- describing provenance of documents

Luc Moreau: will blog on the prov family page -- describing provenance of documents

16:01:09 <Paolo> Luc: after rec release

Luc Moreau: after rec release

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16:01:54 <Paolo> pgroth: will post the blogs whenever more appropriate

Paul Groth: will post the blogs whenever more appropriate

16:02:39 <jcheney> q+

James Cheney: q+

16:02:45 <Luc> q?

Luc Moreau: q?

16:02:50 <Paolo> Paolo: I will give some of the EDBT tutorial to our School in an internal seminar

Paolo Missier: I will give some of the EDBT tutorial to our School in an internal seminar

16:03:03 <pgroth> q?

Paul Groth: q?

16:03:08 <Luc> ack jc

Luc Moreau: ack jc

16:03:49 <Paolo> jcheney: there was a outreach task force, should we call on that to report on the results of the WG?

James Cheney: there was a outreach task force, should we call on that to report on the results of the WG?

16:04:08 <Luc> q?

Luc Moreau: q?

16:04:14 <Paolo> Luc: should leaders of task force to go back to the original respondandts?

Luc Moreau: should leaders of task force to go back to the original respondandts?

16:04:18 <jcheney> http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/wiki/Connection_Task_Force_Informal_Report

James Cheney: http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/wiki/Connection_Task_Force_Informal_Report

16:04:53 <Luc> q?

Luc Moreau: q?

16:05:06 <Paolo> Luc: contact the leaders of the dissemination task force

Luc Moreau: contact the leaders of the dissemination task force

16:05:35 <Luc> q?

Luc Moreau: q?

16:05:37 <khalidBelhajjame> bye

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