All outstanding comments have been addressed with respect to the CR phase. The Feb. 14, 2013 was cancelled due to the unavailability of the chairs.
The group converged on several issues with respect to PROV-XML. The group agreed to adopt qnames for identifiers in prov-xml as it seemed to be the most natural for xml and had the least number of issues. The group agreed to have an ordering of attributes in prov-xml in order to facilitate usage in tools, in particular, jaxb. It was also suggested to create an FAQ entry/page around the use of PROV-XML with jaxb giving examples etc.. A discussion was had around the current organization of the schemas. After explanation, the group was satisfied with the current structure. The editors were encouraged to get the changes done so that a review can happen before a PR release.
A draft implementation report was presented. Timetables to PR were discussed. The following timetable was outlined: Review of Implementation Report by the WG week of Feb 11. WG Vote on move to PR at Feb 21 telcon. After that the goal would be to have publication date on March 12th (obviously, hoping that the W3C process goes smoothly). All documents including notes should be staged by March 5. We need to ensure proper review for notes by the WG by that time.
Daniel gave an update on PROV-DC. Has addressed most of the issues from the review although there are a couple that remained that need to be resolved. Will continue work on this the week of Feb 25.
15:45:15 <RRSAgent> logging to http://www.w3.org/2013/02/07-prov-irc
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15:45:19 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be PROV
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15:45:19 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see SW_(PROV)11:00AM scheduled to start in 15 minutes
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15:45:20 <trackbot> Meeting: Provenance Working Group Teleconference
15:45:20 <trackbot> Date: 07 February 2013
15:50:57 <pgroth> trackbot, start telcon
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15:51:01 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be PROV
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15:51:01 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see SW_(PROV)11:00AM scheduled to start in 9 minutes
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15:51:02 <trackbot> Meeting: Provenance Working Group Teleconference
15:51:02 <trackbot> Date: 07 February 2013
15:51:03 <pgroth> Zakim, this will be PROV
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15:51:03 <Zakim> ok, pgroth; I see SW_(PROV)11:00AM scheduled to start in 9 minutes
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15:51:32 <pgroth> Agenda: http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/wiki/Meetings:Telecon2013.02.06
15:51:38 <pgroth> Chair: Paul Groth
15:52:01 <pgroth> Scribe: Tom De Nies
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15:52:20 <pgroth> rrsagent, make logs public
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15:53:56 <pgroth> Zakim, [IPcaller] is me
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16:00:03 <ivan> zakim, dial ivan-voip
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16:00:23 <dgarijo> Zakim, ??P1 is me
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16:00:25 <pgroth> tom are you to scribe?
Paul Groth: tom are you to scribe? ←
16:00:33 <pgroth> you ready to scribe?
Paul Groth: you ready to scribe? ←
16:00:34 <TomDN> yes, hold on, trying to dial in
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16:00:36 <pgroth> ok
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16:00:51 <TomDN> ok :)
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16:01:58 <TallTed> Zakim, OpenLink_Software is temporarily me
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16:02:12 <pgroth> Topic: Admin
Summary: All outstanding comments have been addressed with respect to the CR phase. The Feb. 14, 2013 was cancelled due to the unavailability of the chairs.
<pgroth> Summary: All outstanding comments have been addressed with respect to the CR phase. The Feb. 14, 2013 was cancelled due to the unavailability of the chairs.
16:02:27 <pgroth> http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/meeting/2013-01-31
Paul Groth: http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/meeting/2013-01-31 ←
16:02:29 <TomDN> pgroth: approval of last week's minutes
Paul Groth: approval of last week's minutes ←
16:02:55 <dgarijo> +1
Daniel Garijo: +1 ←
16:02:56 <TomDN> +1
+1 ←
16:02:57 <khalidBelhajjame> +1
Khalid Belhajjame: +1 ←
16:02:57 <Curt> +1
Curt Tilmes: +1 ←
16:03:01 <hook> +1
16:03:11 <Zakim> + +1.818.731.aabb
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16:03:22 <ivan> 1
Ivan Herman: 1 ←
16:03:23 <TallTed> +0
Ted Thibodeau: +0 ←
16:03:27 <CraigTrim> +1
Craig Trim: +1 ←
16:03:31 <pgroth> accepted: Minutes of Jan. 31, 2013
RESOLVED: Minutes of Jan. 31, 2013 ←
16:04:19 <TomDN> pgroth: open actions: Luc needs to FAQ and I responded to Clark & Parsia
Paul Groth: open actions: Luc needs to FAQ and I responded to Clark & Parsia ←
16:04:39 <TomDN> ... This closes all outstanding comments on the CR.
... This closes all outstanding comments on the CR. ←
16:05:27 <pgroth> q?
Paul Groth: q? ←
16:05:30 <TomDN> ... Next week Luc and I can't make it, so we will cancel next week's telecon
... Next week Luc and I can't make it, so we will cancel next week's telecon ←
16:05:32 <Zakim> +tlebo
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16:05:39 <pgroth> Topic: PROV-XML
Summary: The group converged on several issues with respect to PROV-XML. The group agreed to adopt qnames for identifiers in prov-xml as it seemed to be the most natural for xml and had the least number of issues. The group agreed to have an ordering of attributes in prov-xml in order to facilitate usage in tools, in particular, jaxb. It was also suggested to create an FAQ entry/page around the use of PROV-XML with jaxb giving examples etc.. A discussion was had around the current organization of the schemas. After explanation, the group was satisfied with the current structure. The editors were encouraged to get the changes done so that a review can happen before a PR release.
<pgroth> Summary: The group converged on several issues with respect to PROV-XML. The group agreed to adopt qnames for identifiers in prov-xml as it seemed to be the most natural for xml and had the least number of issues. The group agreed to have an ordering of attributes in prov-xml in order to facilitate usage in tools, in particular, jaxb. It was also suggested to create an FAQ entry/page around the use of PROV-XML with jaxb giving examples etc.. A discussion was had around the current organization of the schemas. After explanation, the group was satisfied with the current structure. The editors were encouraged to get the changes done so that a review can happen before a PR release.
16:05:45 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
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16:06:00 <TomDN> pgroth: We want to converge on some outstanding issues
Paul Groth: We want to converge on some outstanding issues ←
16:06:09 <Zakim> +jcheney
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16:06:23 <TomDN> ... First issue. Which identifiers do we use in PROV-XML?
... First issue. Which identifiers do we use in PROV-XML? ←
16:06:32 <TomDN> ... editors are for the use of qnames
... editors are for the use of qnames ←
16:06:48 <TomDN> zednik: Qnames seem to have the least issues.
Stephan Zednik: Qnames seem to have the least issues. ←
16:07:01 <TomDN> ... so best remaining option
... so best remaining option ←
16:07:02 <Zakim> +[IPcaller.a]
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16:07:07 <hook> http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/wiki/Prov-XML_Identifiers
Hook Hua: http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/wiki/Prov-XML_Identifiers ←
16:07:34 <pgroth> q?
Paul Groth: q? ←
16:07:35 <hook> q+
16:07:35 <Zakim> +Satya_Sahoo
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16:07:37 <TomDN> pgroth: comments?
Paul Groth: comments? ←
16:07:52 <pgroth> ack hook
Paul Groth: ack hook ←
16:08:02 <TomDN> hook: Before we vote, could we list the disadvantages of qnames?
Hook Hua: Before we vote, could we list the disadvantages of qnames? ←
16:08:28 <tlebo> If you're excluding SADI!
Timothy Lebo: If you're excluding SADI! ←
16:08:30 <Zakim> + +44.238.055.aacc
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16:08:32 <tlebo> ?!
Timothy Lebo: ?! ←
16:08:40 <TomDN> ... for example, full URIs are not valid values of xs:QName
... for example, full URIs are not valid values of xs:QName ←
16:08:54 <tlebo> q+
Timothy Lebo: q+ ←
16:08:59 <pgroth> ack tlebo
Paul Groth: ack tlebo ←
16:09:35 <TomDN> tlebo: This design is currently excluding SADI?
Timothy Lebo: This design is currently excluding SADI? ←
16:09:36 <zednik> q+
Stephan Zednik: q+ ←
16:09:44 <pgroth> ack zednik
Paul Groth: ack zednik ←
16:09:47 <TomDN> hook: you must use a namespace
Hook Hua: you must use a namespace ←
16:10:11 <tlebo> q+ so is prefix an XML element?
Timothy Lebo: q+ so is prefix an XML element? ←
16:10:18 <pgroth> ack tlebo
Paul Groth: ack tlebo ←
16:10:28 <TomDN> tlebo: So is prefix an XML element?
Timothy Lebo: So is prefix an XML element? ←
16:10:49 <SamCoppens> zakim, SamCoppens is with TomDN
Sam Coppens: zakim, SamCoppens is with TomDN ←
16:10:49 <Zakim> +SamCoppens; got it
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16:11:03 <TomDN> ... ignoring the existing XML ways to do this and defining our own
... ignoring the existing XML ways to do this and defining our own ←
16:11:30 <TomDN> zednik: We didn't go down that path. We use the standard XML constructs
Stephan Zednik: We didn't go down that path. We use the standard XML constructs ←
16:11:32 <pgroth> q?
Paul Groth: q? ←
16:11:40 <zednik> q-
Stephan Zednik: q- ←
16:11:45 <pgroth> Proposed: Adopt qnames for identifiers in PROV-XML
PROPOSED: Adopt qnames for identifiers in PROV-XML ←
16:11:54 <ivan> +1
Ivan Herman: +1 ←
16:11:54 <SamCoppens> +1
Sam Coppens: +1 ←
16:11:56 <TallTed> +1
Ted Thibodeau: +1 ←
16:11:58 <zednik> +1
Stephan Zednik: +1 ←
16:11:58 <khalidBelhajjame> +1
Khalid Belhajjame: +1 ←
16:11:59 <Curt> +1
Curt Tilmes: +1 ←
16:12:02 <hook> +1
16:12:11 <jcheney> +1
James Cheney: +1 ←
16:12:11 <TomDN> +0 (havent read all options)
+0 (havent read all options) ←
16:12:13 <dgarijo> +0 (I haven't been following the discussions)
Daniel Garijo: +0 (I haven't been following the discussions) ←
16:12:23 <satya> 0, I have not read it
Satya Sahoo: 0, I have not read it ←
16:12:30 <pgroth> Accepted: Adopt qnames for identifiers in PROV-XML
RESOLVED: Adopt qnames for identifiers in PROV-XML ←
16:12:46 <Curt> I summarized the attribute ordering issue here: http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/wiki/Prov-XML_ElementOrdering
Curt Tilmes: I summarized the attribute ordering issue here: http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/wiki/Prov-XML_ElementOrdering ←
16:13:04 <TomDN> pgroth: Next issue is ordering of attributes to support "nice" JAXB
Paul Groth: Next issue is ordering of attributes to support "nice" JAXB ←
16:13:20 <TomDN> zednik: I think there is consensus now.
Stephan Zednik: I think there is consensus now. ←
16:14:17 <pgroth> q?
Paul Groth: q? ←
16:14:40 <TomDN> ... Initially, the group didn't want to change the schema and work via JAXB mapping/etc. But those options seemed too complex, so Curt and I worked on adding ordering yesterday
... Initially, the group didn't want to change the schema and work via JAXB mapping/etc. But those options seemed too complex, so Curt and I worked on adding ordering yesterday ←
16:15:16 <Curt> q+
Curt Tilmes: q+ ←
16:15:20 <TomDN> ... So it's reasonable to proceed with ordered attributes
... So it's reasonable to proceed with ordered attributes ←
16:15:44 <TomDN> Curt: I think it's cleaner and more elegant
Curt Tilmes: I think it's cleaner and more elegant ←
16:16:05 <pgroth> ack curt
Paul Groth: ack curt ←
16:16:16 <pgroth> Proposed: use order attributes in prov-xml
PROPOSED: use order attributes in prov-xml ←
16:16:17 <TomDN> ... If we can change our schema to work with such a widely used tool, it's worth doing
... If we can change our schema to work with such a widely used tool, it's worth doing ←
16:16:21 <TomDN> +1
+1 ←
16:16:27 <ivan> +1
Ivan Herman: +1 ←
16:16:28 <SamCoppens> +1
Sam Coppens: +1 ←
16:16:29 <zednik> +1
Stephan Zednik: +1 ←
16:16:30 <Curt> +1
Curt Tilmes: +1 ←
16:16:31 <hook> +1
16:16:32 <jcheney> +1
James Cheney: +1 ←
16:16:33 <TallTed> +1
Ted Thibodeau: +1 ←
16:16:39 <dgarijo> +1
Daniel Garijo: +1 ←
16:16:56 <pgroth> resolved: use order attributes in prov-xml
RESOLVED: use order attributes in prov-xml ←
16:17:17 <TomDN> pgroth: Last issue was still under discussion
Paul Groth: Last issue was still under discussion ←
16:17:43 <TomDN> ... How are the xsd files organized and is it appropriate for the use of legacy xml?
... How are the xsd files organized and is it appropriate for the use of legacy xml? ←
16:17:54 <TomDN> zednik: Stian put together a nice page with all options
Stephan Zednik: Stian put together a nice page with all options ←
16:18:01 <Zakim> +??P33
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16:18:24 <TomDN> ... We've reorganized the schemas to include the core schema
... We've reorganized the schemas to include the core schema ←
16:18:35 <Dong> Zakim, ??P33 is me
Trung Huynh: Zakim, ??P33 is me ←
16:18:35 <Zakim> +Dong; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +Dong; got it ←
16:19:24 <TomDN> ... Everything seems to be working. There's still some discussion between Luc and Stian on the mailinglist.
... Everything seems to be working. There's still some discussion between Luc and Stian on the mailinglist. ←
16:19:39 <TomDN> Luc: I don't think there is consensus. Still have question.
Luc Moreau: I don't think there is consensus. Still have question. ←
16:19:49 <zednik> http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/wiki/ProvXMLNamespaces#Substitution_groups_and_abstract_elements
Stephan Zednik: http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/wiki/ProvXMLNamespaces#Substitution_groups_and_abstract_elements ←
16:20:18 <TomDN> ... There are schema's out there describing provenance, and we want to be able to include these in PROV-XML
... There are schema's out there describing provenance, and we want to be able to include these in PROV-XML ←
16:20:51 <TomDN> ... The proposed solution with the substitution group seems to require changes to legacy schema's.
... The proposed solution with the substitution group seems to require changes to legacy schema's. ←
16:20:55 <CraigTrim> Zakim, aaaa is me
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Zakim IRC Bot: +CraigTrim; got it ←
16:21:01 <TomDN> ... and this is undesirable.
... and this is undesirable. ←
16:21:32 <TomDN> zednik: The substitution groups are meant to include elements that are in the provenance namespace.
Stephan Zednik: The substitution groups are meant to include elements that are in the provenance namespace. ←
16:21:44 <TomDN> ... for everything else we still have xs:any
... for everything else we still have xs:any ←
16:21:56 <pgroth> q?
Paul Groth: q? ←
16:22:03 <TomDN> ... so you can use elements that don't use the prov: namespace
... so you can use elements that don't use the prov: namespace ←
16:22:22 <pgroth> q?
Paul Groth: q? ←
16:22:24 <TomDN> Luc: Ok, thank you for the clarification.
Luc Moreau: Ok, thank you for the clarification. ←
16:22:24 <Luc> q+
Luc Moreau: q+ ←
16:22:30 <pgroth> ack Luc
Paul Groth: ack Luc ←
16:22:47 <TomDN> Luc: So, as we were talking about JAXB, does this also work with JAXB?
Luc Moreau: So, as we were talking about JAXB, does this also work with JAXB? ←
16:22:56 <TomDN> zednik: yes, the current version works with JAXB.
Stephan Zednik: yes, the current version works with JAXB. ←
16:23:04 <pgroth> cool
Paul Groth: cool ←
16:24:22 <TomDN> Luc: So dictionary and mention work as well?
Luc Moreau: So dictionary and mention work as well? ←
16:24:28 <TomDN> zednik: yes.
Stephan Zednik: yes. ←
16:25:13 <TomDN> Luc: Why do we need a sequence of choice and abstract elements in the document element?
Luc Moreau: Why do we need a sequence of choice and abstract elements in the document element? ←
16:25:25 <TomDN> zednik: I think the latest schema might fix that
Stephan Zednik: I think the latest schema might fix that ←
16:25:29 <TomDN> ... will doublecheck.
... will doublecheck. ←
16:26:09 <TomDN> pgroth: So are you ok with the current solution, Luc?
Paul Groth: So are you ok with the current solution, Luc? ←
16:26:20 <TomDN> Luc: Yes, it seems it's ok now.
Luc Moreau: Yes, it seems it's ok now. ←
16:26:40 <TomDN> pgroth: Seems the issue is resolved now then.
Paul Groth: Seems the issue is resolved now then. ←
16:27:01 <TomDN> pgroth: To wrap-up, is there anything outstanding now?
Paul Groth: To wrap-up, is there anything outstanding now? ←
16:27:08 <TomDN> zednik: just fixing up the text.
Stephan Zednik: just fixing up the text. ←
16:27:30 <Luc> q+
Luc Moreau: q+ ←
16:27:36 <TomDN> pgroth: Once the text is updated, we can go to internal review.
Paul Groth: Once the text is updated, we can go to internal review. ←
16:27:37 <pgroth> ack Luc
Paul Groth: ack Luc ←
16:28:07 <TomDN> Luc: We need to make sure to get the PROV-XML reviews back in time for the PR pulication then
Luc Moreau: We need to make sure to get the PROV-XML reviews back in time for the PR pulication then ←
16:28:10 <pgroth> Topic: Implementation Report
Summary: A draft implementation report was presented. Timetables to PR were discussed. The following timetable was outlined: Review of Implementation Report by the WG week of Feb 11. WG Vote on move to PR at Feb 21 telcon. After that the goal would be to have publication date on March 12th (obviously, hoping that the W3C process goes smoothly). All documents including notes should be staged by March 5. We need to ensure proper review for notes by the WG by that time.
<pgroth> Summary: A draft implementation report was presented. Timetables to PR were discussed. The following timetable was outlined: Review of Implementation Report by the WG week of Feb 11. WG Vote on move to PR at Feb 21 telcon. After that the goal would be to have publication date on March 12th (obviously, hoping that the W3C process goes smoothly). All documents including notes should be staged by March 5. We need to ensure proper review for notes by the WG by that time.
16:28:24 <TomDN> pgroth: Dong and I have been working on the report
Paul Groth: Dong and I have been working on the report ←
16:28:31 <pgroth> https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/prov/raw-file/default/reports/prov-implementations.html
Paul Groth: https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/prov/raw-file/default/reports/prov-implementations.html ←
16:28:38 <TomDN> ... Dong did an impressive amount of work.
... Dong did an impressive amount of work. ←
16:29:20 <TomDN> ... The report is almost done. Some small stuff remaining to do.
... The report is almost done. Some small stuff remaining to do. ←
16:30:36 <TomDN> ... We'd like to send out the report for review on Monday, and set up the timetable for publication and going to the next stage.
... We'd like to send out the report for review on Monday, and set up the timetable for publication and going to the next stage. ←
16:31:28 <Luc> q+
Luc Moreau: q+ ←
16:31:29 <TomDN> Ivan: Maybe we can get the votes in by email by the end of next week
Ivan Herman: Maybe we can get the votes in by email by the end of next week ←
16:31:38 <TomDN> ... since there is no telecon next week
... since there is no telecon next week ←
16:32:20 <pgroth> ack Luc
Paul Groth: ack Luc ←
16:32:24 <TomDN> Luc: It may be good to try and speed up the process. But we need to allow them to respond/revise.
Luc Moreau: It may be good to try and speed up the process. But we need to allow them to respond/revise. ←
16:32:30 <dgarijo> there is a vocabulary named Jun Zhao :O
Daniel Garijo: there is a vocabulary named Jun Zhao :O ←
16:32:32 <TomDN> ... after the review.
... after the review. ←
16:33:03 <Luc> + section 7
Luc Moreau: + section 7 ←
16:33:12 <TomDN> Ivan: It looks good. We still need something that says: we met the exit criteria and this is why.
Ivan Herman: It looks good. We still need something that says: we met the exit criteria and this is why. ←
16:33:57 <TomDN> ... We have a lot of implementations, 54, which is very impressive.
... We have a lot of implementations, 54, which is very impressive. ←
16:34:41 <pgroth> everybody keep your enthusiasm up :-)
Paul Groth: everybody keep your enthusiasm up :-) ←
16:35:10 <TomDN> pgroth: Once we say we want to go to PR, do we need the big long email again?
Paul Groth: Once we say we want to go to PR, do we need the big long email again? ←
16:35:21 <TomDN> ivan: yes, just like we did with CR.
Ivan Herman: yes, just like we did with CR. ←
16:35:31 <TomDN> ... I can help.
... I can help. ←
16:35:48 <Luc> is it time to think of a publication date, to finalize our documents?
Luc Moreau: is it time to think of a publication date, to finalize our documents? ←
16:36:20 <Luc> q+
Luc Moreau: q+ ←
16:36:57 <TomDN> ivan: Am I correct that there is not that much editing left to be done?
Ivan Herman: Am I correct that there is not that much editing left to be done? ←
16:37:06 <TomDN> pgroth: Just PROV-Constraints
Paul Groth: Just PROV-Constraints ←
16:37:13 <TomDN> jcheney: will do that tomorrow
James Cheney: will do that tomorrow ←
16:37:24 <TomDN> ivan: excellent.
Ivan Herman: excellent. ←
16:37:28 <pgroth> ack Luc
Paul Groth: ack Luc ←
16:38:27 <TomDN> Luc: If we are going to vote by email, and the outcome it positive, we want to be ready for PR as soon as possible. So we need the URLs with the publication date.
Luc Moreau: If we are going to vote by email, and the outcome it positive, we want to be ready for PR as soon as possible. So we need the URLs with the publication date. ←
16:39:22 <TomDN> Luc: So I suggest that Ivan starts the process to get the date agreed.
Luc Moreau: So I suggest that Ivan starts the process to get the date agreed. ←
16:40:04 <TomDN> ivan: either March 7th or 12th
Ivan Herman: either March 7th or 12th ←
16:40:36 <TomDN> pgroth: I think we should aim for the 12th
Paul Groth: I think we should aim for the 12th ←
16:40:47 <TomDN> ivan: yes, that seems without risk.
Ivan Herman: yes, that seems without risk. ←
16:43:56 <TomDN> Luc: so the url's?
Luc Moreau: so the url's? ←
16:44:31 <TomDN> ivan: I think it's safe that the editors start preparing the documents for 2013.03.12 as date
Ivan Herman: I think it's safe that the editors start preparing the documents for 2013.03.12 as date ←
16:44:43 <Zakim> -[IPcaller.a]
Zakim IRC Bot: -[IPcaller.a] ←
16:45:50 <Luc> can we check all notes will be ready then?
Luc Moreau: can we check all notes will be ready then? ←
16:45:52 <TomDN> pgroth: For health and safety reasons of half the chairs, we should ask the webmaster for the date :)
Paul Groth: For health and safety reasons of half the chairs, we should ask the webmaster for the date :) ←
16:47:27 <TomDN> ivan: will do
Ivan Herman: will do ←
16:47:59 <TomDN> ivan: Do note: what we send out for PR is the final document. So be sure to spellcheck etc. and be 100% sure
Ivan Herman: Do note: what we send out for PR is the final document. So be sure to spellcheck etc. and be 100% sure ←
16:48:11 <TomDN> +q to ask if this also goes for the final notes
+q to ask if this also goes for the final notes ←
16:48:22 <tlebo> so, when are the PR drafts finalized?
Timothy Lebo: so, when are the PR drafts finalized? ←
16:48:25 <TomDN> Zakim, unmute me
Zakim, unmute me ←
16:48:25 <Zakim> TomDN should no longer be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: TomDN should no longer be muted ←
16:48:27 <pgroth> ack TomDN
Paul Groth: ack TomDN ←
16:48:27 <Zakim> TomDN, you wanted to ask if this also goes for the final notes
Zakim IRC Bot: TomDN, you wanted to ask if this also goes for the final notes ←
16:48:28 <pgroth>
16:49:09 <TomDN> TomDN: Can we still touch the notes after we send out the PRs?
Tom De Nies: Can we still touch the notes after we send out the PRs? ←
16:49:10 <dgarijo> ok!
Daniel Garijo: ok! ←
16:49:25 <Luc> do we have time to review those that still need review?
Luc Moreau: do we have time to review those that still need review? ←
16:49:26 <TomDN> pgroth: yes, but we'd like the final version of the notes on the 12th
Paul Groth: yes, but we'd like the final version of the notes on the 12th ←
16:49:36 <pgroth> action: paul to remind note editors about March 12 deadline
ACTION: paul to remind note editors about March 12 deadline ←
16:49:37 <trackbot> Created ACTION-164 - Remind note editors about March 12 deadline [on Paul Groth - due 2013-02-14].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-164 - Remind note editors about March 12 deadline [on Paul Groth - due 2013-02-14]. ←
16:49:43 <TomDN> ... We will send out a note via email about this
... We will send out a note via email about this ←
16:49:54 <TomDN> Zakim. mute me
Zakim. mute me ←
16:50:25 <TomDN> ivan: So april 23rd will probably be the final final final final date for the notes as well.
Ivan Herman: So april 23rd will probably be the final final final final date for the notes as well. ←
16:50:29 <dgarijo> +q
Daniel Garijo: +q ←
16:50:30 <Luc> q+
Luc Moreau: q+ ←
16:50:35 <pgroth> ack Luc
Paul Groth: ack Luc ←
16:50:57 <TomDN> Luc: I want to make sure that we have the time to get all notes ready by March 12th
Luc Moreau: I want to make sure that we have the time to get all notes ready by March 12th ←
16:51:08 <TomDN> ... Some still need review
... Some still need review ←
16:51:20 <TomDN> ... for example PROV-XML, maybe PROV-AQ, PROV-DC, ...
... for example PROV-XML, maybe PROV-AQ, PROV-DC, ... ←
16:51:52 <TomDN> ivan: There's no last call for notes, so the 12th is a WD publication, so April 23rd is the final date
Ivan Herman: There's no last call for notes, so the 12th is a WD publication, so April 23rd is the final date ←
16:52:04 <TomDN> Luc: but some reviewers blocked the release of PROV-AQ
Luc Moreau: but some reviewers blocked the release of PROV-AQ ←
16:52:17 <dgarijo> -q
Daniel Garijo: -q ←
16:52:21 <TomDN> ... and we need a vote for the synchronized release of the notes
... and we need a vote for the synchronized release of the notes ←
16:52:33 <TomDN> ... So we need an appropriate amount of time.
... So we need an appropriate amount of time. ←
16:53:19 <TomDN> ... Will we have enough time?
... Will we have enough time? ←
16:53:23 <satya> sorry, I have to leave
Satya Sahoo: sorry, I have to leave ←
16:53:28 <TomDN> pgroth: We have 4 weeks to complete reviews
Paul Groth: We have 4 weeks to complete reviews ←
16:53:30 <Zakim> -Satya_Sahoo
Zakim IRC Bot: -Satya_Sahoo ←
16:54:02 <TomDN> ... PROV-XML looks almost done, PROV-DC we will hear about next, and PROV-AQ will probably be done in time.
... PROV-XML looks almost done, PROV-DC we will hear about next, and PROV-AQ will probably be done in time. ←
16:54:37 <pgroth> Topic: PROV-DC
Summary: Daniel gave an update on PROV-DC. Has addressed most of the issues from the review although there are a couple that remained that need to be resolved. Will continue work on this the week of Feb 25.
<pgroth> Summary: Daniel gave an update on PROV-DC. Has addressed most of the issues from the review although there are a couple that remained that need to be resolved. Will continue work on this the week of Feb 25.
16:54:49 <dgarijo> http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/wiki/AnswersToProvDCReviewers
Daniel Garijo: http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/wiki/AnswersToProvDCReviewers ←
16:55:06 <TomDN> dgarijo: update on PROV-DC. Been working on response to reviews and edits in the document
Daniel Garijo: update on PROV-DC. Been working on response to reviews and edits in the document ←
16:55:23 <TomDN> ... Raised new issues for the remaining things to do.
... Raised new issues for the remaining things to do. ←
16:55:35 <TomDN> ... Main issues are summarized on wikipage
... Main issues are summarized on wikipage ←
16:56:19 <TomDN> ... about dct:isVersionOf, we have enough material to discuss with dct people.
... about dct:isVersionOf, we have enough material to discuss with dct people. ←
16:56:41 <TomDN> pgroth: Would like review now or after issues are resolved?
Paul Groth: Would like review now or after issues are resolved? ←
16:57:02 <pgroth> q?
Paul Groth: q? ←
16:57:21 <TomDN> dgarijo: Would like time to finish the issues. But if someone wants to have a look, be my guest. People can also answer in comment to the wikipage
Daniel Garijo: Would like time to finish the issues. But if someone wants to have a look, be my guest. People can also answer in comment to the wikipage ←
16:57:33 <pgroth> http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/prov/raw-file/default/dc-note/dc-note.html
Paul Groth: http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/prov/raw-file/default/dc-note/dc-note.html ←
16:57:58 <pgroth> q?
Paul Groth: q? ←
16:58:32 <tlebo> when is the dead deadline for the implementation report?
Timothy Lebo: when is the dead deadline for the implementation report? ←
16:58:37 <TomDN> pgroth: OK thanks. We still have time for extra implementations. So submit!
Paul Groth: OK thanks. We still have time for extra implementations. So submit! ←
16:58:50 <TomDN> +q to ask about implementations on Notes
+q to ask about implementations on Notes ←
16:59:00 <TomDN> Zakim, unmute me
Zakim, unmute me ←
16:59:00 <Zakim> TomDN was not muted, TomDN
Zakim IRC Bot: TomDN was not muted, TomDN ←
16:59:45 <TomDN> TomDN: Where can we put implementations of notes?
Tom De Nies: Where can we put implementations of notes? ←
16:59:47 <pgroth> ack TomDN
Paul Groth: ack TomDN ←
16:59:47 <Zakim> TomDN, you wanted to ask about implementations on Notes
Zakim IRC Bot: TomDN, you wanted to ask about implementations on Notes ←
16:59:51 <TomDN> pgroth: On the implementation wiki page
Paul Groth: On the implementation wiki page ←
17:00:00 <dgarijo> bbye
Daniel Garijo: bbye ←
17:00:02 <Zakim> -tlebo
Zakim IRC Bot: -tlebo ←
17:00:03 <Zakim> -Curt_Tilmes
Zakim IRC Bot: -Curt_Tilmes ←
17:00:05 <Zakim> - +1.818.731.aabb
Zakim IRC Bot: - +1.818.731.aabb ←
17:00:06 <Zakim> -jcheney
Zakim IRC Bot: -jcheney ←
17:00:07 <Zakim> -TallTed
Zakim IRC Bot: -TallTed ←
17:00:07 <Dong> bye
Trung Huynh: bye ←
17:00:08 <Zakim> -Ivan
Zakim IRC Bot: -Ivan ←
17:00:08 <Zakim> -dgarijo
Zakim IRC Bot: -dgarijo ←
17:00:10 <Zakim> -pgroth
Zakim IRC Bot: -pgroth ←
17:00:14 <Zakim> -[IPcaller]
Zakim IRC Bot: -[IPcaller] ←
17:00:15 <Zakim> -TomDN
Zakim IRC Bot: -TomDN ←
17:00:19 <TomDN> bye
bye ←
17:00:51 <pgroth> rrsagent, set log public
Paul Groth: rrsagent, set log public ←
17:00:55 <pgroth> rrsagent, draft minutes
Paul Groth: rrsagent, draft minutes ←
17:00:55 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/02/07-prov-minutes.html pgroth
RRSAgent IRC Bot: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/02/07-prov-minutes.html pgroth ←
17:00:59 <pgroth> trackbot, end telcon
Paul Groth: trackbot, end telcon ←
17:00:59 <trackbot> Zakim, list attendees
Trackbot IRC Bot: Zakim, list attendees ←
17:01:00 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been pgroth, Ivan, dgarijo, Curt_Tilmes, TomDN, +1.818.749.aaaa, TallTed, tlebo, +1.818.731.aabb, [IPcaller], jcheney, Satya_Sahoo,
Zakim IRC Bot: As of this point the attendees have been pgroth, Ivan, dgarijo, Curt_Tilmes, TomDN, +1.818.749.aaaa, TallTed, tlebo, +1.818.731.aabb, [IPcaller], jcheney, Satya_Sahoo, ←
17:01:00 <Zakim> ... +44.238.055.aacc, SamCoppens, Dong, CraigTrim
Zakim IRC Bot: ... +44.238.055.aacc, SamCoppens, Dong, CraigTrim ←
17:01:07 <trackbot> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
Trackbot IRC Bot: RRSAgent, please draft minutes ←
17:01:07 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/02/07-prov-minutes.html trackbot
RRSAgent IRC Bot: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/02/07-prov-minutes.html trackbot ←
17:01:08 <trackbot> RRSAgent, bye
Trackbot IRC Bot: RRSAgent, bye ←
17:01:08 <RRSAgent> I see 1 open action item saved in http://www.w3.org/2013/02/07-prov-actions.rdf :
RRSAgent IRC Bot: I see 1 open action item saved in http://www.w3.org/2013/02/07-prov-actions.rdf : ←
17:01:08 <RRSAgent> ACTION: paul to remind note editors about March 12 deadline [1]
ACTION: paul to remind note editors about March 12 deadline [1] ←
17:01:08 <RRSAgent> recorded in http://www.w3.org/2013/02/07-prov-irc#T16-49-36
RRSAgent IRC Bot: recorded in http://www.w3.org/2013/02/07-prov-irc#T16-49-36 ←
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