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Provenance Working Group Teleconference

Minutes of 07 February 2013

Agenda
http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/wiki/Meetings:Telecon2013.02.06
Seen
Craig Trim, Curt Tilmes, Daniel Garijo, Hook Hua, Ivan Herman, James Cheney, Khalid Belhajjame, Luc Moreau, Paul Groth, Sam Coppens, Satya Sahoo, Stephan Zednik, Ted Thibodeau, Timothy Lebo, Tom De Nies, Trung Huynh
Chair
Paul Groth
Scribe
Tom De Nies
IRC Log
Original
Resolutions
  1. Minutes of Jan. 31, 2013 link
  2. Adopt qnames for identifiers in PROV-XML link
  3. use order attributes in prov-xml link
Topics
  1. Admin

    All outstanding comments have been addressed with respect to the CR phase. The Feb. 14, 2013 was cancelled due to the unavailability of the chairs.

  2. PROV-XML

    The group converged on several issues with respect to PROV-XML. The group agreed to adopt qnames for identifiers in prov-xml as it seemed to be the most natural for xml and had the least number of issues. The group agreed to have an ordering of attributes in prov-xml in order to facilitate usage in tools, in particular, jaxb. It was also suggested to create an FAQ entry/page around the use of PROV-XML with jaxb giving examples etc.. A discussion was had around the current organization of the schemas. After explanation, the group was satisfied with the current structure. The editors were encouraged to get the changes done so that a review can happen before a PR release.

  3. Implementation Report

    A draft implementation report was presented. Timetables to PR were discussed. The following timetable was outlined: Review of Implementation Report by the WG week of Feb 11. WG Vote on move to PR at Feb 21 telcon. After that the goal would be to have publication date on March 12th (obviously, hoping that the W3C process goes smoothly). All documents including notes should be staged by March 5. We need to ensure proper review for notes by the WG by that time.

  4. PROV-DC

    Daniel gave an update on PROV-DC. Has addressed most of the issues from the review although there are a couple that remained that need to be resolved. Will continue work on this the week of Feb 25.

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15:45:19 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be PROV

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15:45:20 <trackbot> Meeting: Provenance Working Group Teleconference
15:45:20 <trackbot> Date: 07 February 2013
15:50:57 <pgroth> trackbot, start telcon

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15:51:01 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be PROV

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15:51:02 <trackbot> Meeting: Provenance Working Group Teleconference
15:51:02 <trackbot> Date: 07 February 2013
15:51:03 <pgroth> Zakim, this will be PROV

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15:51:32 <pgroth> Agenda: http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/wiki/Meetings:Telecon2013.02.06
15:51:38 <pgroth> Chair: Paul Groth
15:52:01 <pgroth> Scribe: Tom De Nies

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15:53:56 <pgroth> Zakim, [IPcaller] is me

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16:00:25 <pgroth> tom are you to scribe?

Paul Groth: tom are you to scribe?

16:00:33 <pgroth> you ready to scribe?

Paul Groth: you ready to scribe?

16:00:34 <TomDN> yes, hold on, trying to dial in

yes, hold on, trying to dial in

16:00:36 <pgroth> ok

Paul Groth: ok

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16:00:51 <TomDN> ok :)

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16:01:02 <TallTed> TallTed has changed the topic to: Agenda: http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/wiki/Meetings:Telecon2013.02.06

Ted Thibodeau: TallTed has changed the topic to: Agenda: http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/wiki/Meetings:Telecon2013.02.06

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16:02:12 <pgroth> Topic: Admin

1. Admin

Summary: All outstanding comments have been addressed with respect to the CR phase. The Feb. 14, 2013 was cancelled due to the unavailability of the chairs.

<pgroth> Summary: All outstanding comments have been addressed with respect to the CR phase. The Feb. 14, 2013 was cancelled due to the unavailability of the chairs.
16:02:27 <pgroth> http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/meeting/2013-01-31

Paul Groth: http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/meeting/2013-01-31

16:02:29 <TomDN> pgroth: approval of last week's minutes

Paul Groth: approval of last week's minutes

16:02:55 <dgarijo> +1

Daniel Garijo: +1

16:02:56 <TomDN> +1

+1

16:02:57 <khalidBelhajjame> +1

Khalid Belhajjame: +1

16:02:57 <Curt> +1

Curt Tilmes: +1

16:03:01 <hook> +1

Hook Hua: +1

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16:03:22 <ivan> 1

Ivan Herman: 1

16:03:23 <TallTed> +0

Ted Thibodeau: +0

16:03:27 <CraigTrim> +1

Craig Trim: +1

16:03:31 <pgroth> accepted: Minutes of Jan. 31, 2013

RESOLVED: Minutes of Jan. 31, 2013

16:04:19 <TomDN> pgroth: open actions: Luc needs to FAQ and I responded to Clark & Parsia

Paul Groth: open actions: Luc needs to FAQ and I responded to Clark & Parsia

16:04:39 <TomDN> ... This closes all outstanding comments on the CR.

... This closes all outstanding comments on the CR.

16:05:27 <pgroth> q?

Paul Groth: q?

16:05:30 <TomDN> ... Next week Luc and I can't make it, so we will cancel next week's telecon

... Next week Luc and I can't make it, so we will cancel next week's telecon

16:05:32 <Zakim> +tlebo

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16:05:39 <pgroth> Topic: PROV-XML

2. PROV-XML

Summary: The group converged on several issues with respect to PROV-XML. The group agreed to adopt qnames for identifiers in prov-xml as it seemed to be the most natural for xml and had the least number of issues. The group agreed to have an ordering of attributes in prov-xml in order to facilitate usage in tools, in particular, jaxb. It was also suggested to create an FAQ entry/page around the use of PROV-XML with jaxb giving examples etc.. A discussion was had around the current organization of the schemas. After explanation, the group was satisfied with the current structure. The editors were encouraged to get the changes done so that a review can happen before a PR release.

<pgroth> Summary: The group converged on several issues with respect to PROV-XML. The group agreed to adopt qnames for identifiers in prov-xml as it seemed to be the most natural for xml and had the least number of issues. The group agreed to have an ordering of attributes in prov-xml in order to facilitate usage in tools, in particular, jaxb. It was also suggested to create an FAQ entry/page around the use of PROV-XML with jaxb giving examples etc.. A discussion was had around the current organization of the schemas. After explanation, the group was satisfied with the current structure. The editors were encouraged to get the changes done so that a review can happen before a PR release.
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16:06:00 <TomDN> pgroth: We want to converge on some outstanding issues

Paul Groth: We want to converge on some outstanding issues

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16:06:23 <TomDN> ... First issue. Which identifiers do we use in PROV-XML?

... First issue. Which identifiers do we use in PROV-XML?

16:06:32 <TomDN> ... editors are for the use of qnames

... editors are for the use of qnames

16:06:48 <TomDN> zednik: Qnames seem to have the least issues.

Stephan Zednik: Qnames seem to have the least issues.

16:07:01 <TomDN> ... so best remaining option

... so best remaining option

16:07:02 <Zakim> +[IPcaller.a]

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16:07:07 <hook> http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/wiki/Prov-XML_Identifiers

Hook Hua: http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/wiki/Prov-XML_Identifiers

16:07:34 <pgroth> q?

Paul Groth: q?

16:07:35 <hook> q+

Hook Hua: q+

16:07:35 <Zakim> +Satya_Sahoo

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16:07:37 <TomDN> pgroth: comments?

Paul Groth: comments?

16:07:52 <pgroth> ack hook

Paul Groth: ack hook

16:08:02 <TomDN> hook: Before we vote, could we list the disadvantages of qnames?

Hook Hua: Before we vote, could we list the disadvantages of qnames?

16:08:28 <tlebo> If you're excluding SADI!

Timothy Lebo: If you're excluding SADI!

16:08:30 <Zakim> + +44.238.055.aacc

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16:08:32 <tlebo> ?!

Timothy Lebo: ?!

16:08:40 <TomDN> ... for example, full URIs are not valid values of xs:QName

... for example, full URIs are not valid values of xs:QName

16:08:54 <tlebo> q+

Timothy Lebo: q+

16:08:59 <pgroth> ack tlebo

Paul Groth: ack tlebo

16:09:35 <TomDN> tlebo: This design is currently excluding SADI?

Timothy Lebo: This design is currently excluding SADI?

16:09:36 <zednik> q+

Stephan Zednik: q+

16:09:44 <pgroth> ack zednik

Paul Groth: ack zednik

16:09:47 <TomDN> hook: you must use a namespace

Hook Hua: you must use a namespace

16:10:11 <tlebo> q+ so is prefix an XML element?

Timothy Lebo: q+ so is prefix an XML element?

16:10:18 <pgroth> ack tlebo

Paul Groth: ack tlebo

16:10:28 <TomDN> tlebo: So is prefix an XML element?

Timothy Lebo: So is prefix an XML element?

16:10:49 <SamCoppens> zakim, SamCoppens is with TomDN

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16:11:03 <TomDN> ... ignoring the existing XML ways to do this and defining our own

... ignoring the existing XML ways to do this and defining our own

16:11:30 <TomDN> zednik: We didn't go down that path. We use the standard XML constructs

Stephan Zednik: We didn't go down that path. We use the standard XML constructs

16:11:32 <pgroth> q?

Paul Groth: q?

16:11:40 <zednik> q-

Stephan Zednik: q-

16:11:45 <pgroth> Proposed: Adopt qnames for identifiers in PROV-XML

PROPOSED: Adopt qnames for identifiers in PROV-XML

16:11:54 <ivan> +1

Ivan Herman: +1

16:11:54 <SamCoppens> +1

Sam Coppens: +1

16:11:56 <TallTed> +1

Ted Thibodeau: +1

16:11:58 <zednik> +1

Stephan Zednik: +1

16:11:58 <khalidBelhajjame> +1

Khalid Belhajjame: +1

16:11:59 <Curt> +1

Curt Tilmes: +1

16:12:02 <hook> +1

Hook Hua: +1

16:12:11 <jcheney> +1

James Cheney: +1

16:12:11 <TomDN> +0 (havent read all options)

+0 (havent read all options)

16:12:13 <dgarijo> +0 (I haven't been following the discussions)

Daniel Garijo: +0 (I haven't been following the discussions)

16:12:23 <satya> 0, I have not read it

Satya Sahoo: 0, I have not read it

16:12:30 <pgroth> Accepted: Adopt qnames for identifiers in PROV-XML

RESOLVED: Adopt qnames for identifiers in PROV-XML

16:12:46 <Curt> I summarized the attribute ordering issue here: http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/wiki/Prov-XML_ElementOrdering

Curt Tilmes: I summarized the attribute ordering issue here: http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/wiki/Prov-XML_ElementOrdering

16:13:04 <TomDN> pgroth: Next issue is ordering of attributes to support "nice" JAXB

Paul Groth: Next issue is ordering of attributes to support "nice" JAXB

16:13:20 <TomDN> zednik: I think there is consensus now.

Stephan Zednik: I think there is consensus now.

16:14:17 <pgroth> q?

Paul Groth: q?

16:14:40 <TomDN> ... Initially, the group didn't want to change the schema and work via JAXB mapping/etc. But those options seemed too complex, so Curt and I worked on adding ordering yesterday

... Initially, the group didn't want to change the schema and work via JAXB mapping/etc. But those options seemed too complex, so Curt and I worked on adding ordering yesterday

16:15:16 <Curt> q+

Curt Tilmes: q+

16:15:20 <TomDN> ... So it's reasonable to proceed with ordered attributes

... So it's reasonable to proceed with ordered attributes

16:15:44 <TomDN> Curt: I think it's cleaner and more elegant

Curt Tilmes: I think it's cleaner and more elegant

16:16:05 <pgroth> ack curt

Paul Groth: ack curt

16:16:16 <pgroth> Proposed: use order attributes in prov-xml

PROPOSED: use order attributes in prov-xml

16:16:17 <TomDN> ... If we can change our schema to work with such a widely used tool, it's worth doing

... If we can change our schema to work with such a widely used tool, it's worth doing

16:16:21 <TomDN> +1

+1

16:16:27 <ivan> +1

Ivan Herman: +1

16:16:28 <SamCoppens> +1

Sam Coppens: +1

16:16:29 <zednik> +1

Stephan Zednik: +1

16:16:30 <Curt> +1

Curt Tilmes: +1

16:16:31 <hook> +1

Hook Hua: +1

16:16:32 <jcheney> +1

James Cheney: +1

16:16:33 <TallTed> +1

Ted Thibodeau: +1

16:16:39 <dgarijo> +1

Daniel Garijo: +1

16:16:56 <pgroth> resolved: use order attributes in prov-xml

RESOLVED: use order attributes in prov-xml

16:17:17 <TomDN> pgroth: Last issue was still under discussion

Paul Groth: Last issue was still under discussion

16:17:43 <TomDN> ... How are the xsd files organized and is it appropriate for the use of legacy xml?

... How are the xsd files organized and is it appropriate for the use of legacy xml?

16:17:54 <TomDN> zednik: Stian put together a nice page with all options

Stephan Zednik: Stian put together a nice page with all options

16:18:01 <Zakim> +??P33

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16:18:08 <Zakim> - +44.238.055.aacc

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16:18:24 <TomDN> ... We've reorganized the schemas to include the core schema

... We've reorganized the schemas to include the core schema

16:18:35 <Dong> Zakim, ??P33 is me

Trung Huynh: Zakim, ??P33 is me

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16:19:24 <TomDN> ... Everything seems to be working. There's still some discussion between Luc and Stian on the mailinglist.

... Everything seems to be working. There's still some discussion between Luc and Stian on the mailinglist.

16:19:39 <TomDN> Luc: I don't think there is consensus. Still have question.

Luc Moreau: I don't think there is consensus. Still have question.

16:19:49 <zednik> http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/wiki/ProvXMLNamespaces#Substitution_groups_and_abstract_elements

Stephan Zednik: http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/wiki/ProvXMLNamespaces#Substitution_groups_and_abstract_elements

16:20:18 <TomDN> ... There are schema's out there describing provenance, and we want to be able to include these in PROV-XML

... There are schema's out there describing provenance, and we want to be able to include these in PROV-XML

16:20:51 <TomDN> ... The proposed solution with the substitution group seems to require changes to legacy schema's.

... The proposed solution with the substitution group seems to require changes to legacy schema's.

16:20:55 <CraigTrim> Zakim, aaaa is me

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16:21:01 <TomDN> ... and this is undesirable.

... and this is undesirable.

16:21:32 <TomDN> zednik: The substitution groups are meant to include elements that are in the provenance namespace.

Stephan Zednik: The substitution groups are meant to include elements that are in the provenance namespace.

16:21:44 <TomDN> ... for everything else we still have xs:any

... for everything else we still have xs:any

16:21:56 <pgroth> q?

Paul Groth: q?

16:22:03 <TomDN> ... so you can use elements that don't use the prov: namespace

... so you can use elements that don't use the prov: namespace

16:22:22 <pgroth> q?

Paul Groth: q?

16:22:24 <TomDN> Luc: Ok, thank you for the clarification.

Luc Moreau: Ok, thank you for the clarification.

16:22:24 <Luc> q+

Luc Moreau: q+

16:22:30 <pgroth> ack Luc

Paul Groth: ack Luc

16:22:47 <TomDN> Luc: So, as we were talking about JAXB, does this also work with JAXB?

Luc Moreau: So, as we were talking about JAXB, does this also work with JAXB?

16:22:56 <TomDN> zednik: yes, the current version works with JAXB.

Stephan Zednik: yes, the current version works with JAXB.

16:23:04 <pgroth> cool

Paul Groth: cool

16:24:22 <TomDN> Luc: So dictionary and mention work as well?

Luc Moreau: So dictionary and mention work as well?

16:24:28 <TomDN> zednik: yes.

Stephan Zednik: yes.

16:25:13 <TomDN> Luc: Why do we need a sequence of choice and abstract elements in the document element?

Luc Moreau: Why do we need a sequence of choice and abstract elements in the document element?

16:25:25 <TomDN> zednik: I think the latest schema might fix that

Stephan Zednik: I think the latest schema might fix that

16:25:29 <TomDN> ... will doublecheck.

... will doublecheck.

16:26:09 <TomDN> pgroth: So are you ok with the current solution, Luc?

Paul Groth: So are you ok with the current solution, Luc?

16:26:20 <TomDN> Luc: Yes, it seems it's ok now.

Luc Moreau: Yes, it seems it's ok now.

16:26:40 <TomDN> pgroth: Seems the issue is resolved now then.

Paul Groth: Seems the issue is resolved now then.

16:27:01 <TomDN> pgroth: To wrap-up, is there anything outstanding now?

Paul Groth: To wrap-up, is there anything outstanding now?

16:27:08 <TomDN> zednik: just fixing up the text.

Stephan Zednik: just fixing up the text.

16:27:30 <Luc> q+

Luc Moreau: q+

16:27:36 <TomDN> pgroth: Once the text is updated, we can go to internal review.

Paul Groth: Once the text is updated, we can go to internal review.

16:27:37 <pgroth> ack Luc

Paul Groth: ack Luc

16:28:07 <TomDN> Luc: We need to make sure to get the PROV-XML reviews back in time for the PR pulication then

Luc Moreau: We need to make sure to get the PROV-XML reviews back in time for the PR pulication then

16:28:10 <pgroth> Topic: Implementation Report

3. Implementation Report

Summary: A draft implementation report was presented. Timetables to PR were discussed. The following timetable was outlined: Review of Implementation Report by the WG week of Feb 11. WG Vote on move to PR at Feb 21 telcon. After that the goal would be to have publication date on March 12th (obviously, hoping that the W3C process goes smoothly). All documents including notes should be staged by March 5. We need to ensure proper review for notes by the WG by that time.

<pgroth> Summary: A draft implementation report was presented.  Timetables to PR were discussed. The following timetable was outlined: Review of Implementation Report by the WG week of Feb 11. WG Vote on move to PR at Feb 21 telcon.  After that the goal would be to have publication date on March 12th (obviously, hoping that the W3C process goes smoothly). All documents including notes should be staged by March 5. We need to ensure proper review for notes by the WG by that time.
16:28:24 <TomDN> pgroth: Dong and I have been working on the report

Paul Groth: Dong and I have been working on the report

16:28:31 <pgroth> https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/prov/raw-file/default/reports/prov-implementations.html

Paul Groth: https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/prov/raw-file/default/reports/prov-implementations.html

16:28:38 <TomDN> ... Dong did an impressive amount of work.

... Dong did an impressive amount of work.

16:29:20 <TomDN> ... The report is almost done. Some small stuff remaining to do.

... The report is almost done. Some small stuff remaining to do.

16:30:36 <TomDN> ... We'd like to send out the report for review on Monday, and set up the timetable for publication and going to the next stage.

... We'd like to send out the report for review on Monday, and set up the timetable for publication and going to the next stage.

16:31:28 <Luc> q+

Luc Moreau: q+

16:31:29 <TomDN> Ivan: Maybe we can get the votes in by email by the end of next week

Ivan Herman: Maybe we can get the votes in by email by the end of next week

16:31:38 <TomDN> ... since there is no telecon next week

... since there is no telecon next week

16:32:20 <pgroth> ack Luc

Paul Groth: ack Luc

16:32:24 <TomDN> Luc: It may be good to try and speed up the process. But we need to allow them to respond/revise.

Luc Moreau: It may be good to try and speed up the process. But we need to allow them to respond/revise.

16:32:30 <dgarijo> there is a vocabulary named Jun Zhao :O

Daniel Garijo: there is a vocabulary named Jun Zhao :O

16:32:32 <TomDN> ... after the review.

... after the review.

16:33:03 <Luc> + section 7

Luc Moreau: + section 7

16:33:12 <TomDN> Ivan: It looks good. We still need something that says: we met the exit criteria and this is why.

Ivan Herman: It looks good. We still need something that says: we met the exit criteria and this is why.

16:33:57 <TomDN> ... We have a lot of implementations, 54, which is very impressive.

... We have a lot of implementations, 54, which is very impressive.

16:34:41 <pgroth> everybody keep your enthusiasm up :-)

Paul Groth: everybody keep your enthusiasm up :-)

16:35:10 <TomDN> pgroth: Once we say we want to go to PR, do we need the big long email again?

Paul Groth: Once we say we want to go to PR, do we need the big long email again?

16:35:21 <TomDN> ivan: yes, just like we did with CR.

Ivan Herman: yes, just like we did with CR.

16:35:31 <TomDN> ... I can help.

... I can help.

16:35:48 <Luc> is it time to think of a publication date, to finalize our documents?

Luc Moreau: is it time to think of a publication date, to finalize our documents?

16:36:20 <Luc> q+

Luc Moreau: q+

16:36:57 <TomDN> ivan: Am I correct that there is not that much editing left to be done?

Ivan Herman: Am I correct that there is not that much editing left to be done?

16:37:06 <TomDN> pgroth: Just PROV-Constraints

Paul Groth: Just PROV-Constraints

16:37:13 <TomDN> jcheney: will do that tomorrow

James Cheney: will do that tomorrow

16:37:24 <TomDN> ivan: excellent.

Ivan Herman: excellent.

16:37:28 <pgroth> ack Luc

Paul Groth: ack Luc

16:38:27 <TomDN> Luc: If we are going to vote by email, and the outcome it positive, we want to be ready for PR as soon as possible. So we need the URLs with the publication date.

Luc Moreau: If we are going to vote by email, and the outcome it positive, we want to be ready for PR as soon as possible. So we need the URLs with the publication date.

16:39:22 <TomDN> Luc: So I suggest that Ivan starts the process to get the date agreed.

Luc Moreau: So I suggest that Ivan starts the process to get the date agreed.

16:40:04 <TomDN> ivan: either March 7th or 12th

Ivan Herman: either March 7th or 12th

16:40:36 <TomDN> pgroth: I think we should aim for the 12th

Paul Groth: I think we should aim for the 12th

16:40:47 <TomDN> ivan: yes, that seems without risk.

Ivan Herman: yes, that seems without risk.

16:43:56 <TomDN> Luc: so the url's?

Luc Moreau: so the url's?

16:44:31 <TomDN> ivan: I think it's safe that the editors start preparing the documents for 2013.03.12 as date

Ivan Herman: I think it's safe that the editors start preparing the documents for 2013.03.12 as date

16:44:43 <Zakim> -[IPcaller.a]

Zakim IRC Bot: -[IPcaller.a]

16:45:50 <Luc> can we check all notes will be ready then?

Luc Moreau: can we check all notes will be ready then?

16:45:52 <TomDN> pgroth: For health and safety reasons of half the chairs, we should ask the webmaster for the date :)

Paul Groth: For health and safety reasons of half the chairs, we should ask the webmaster for the date :)

16:47:27 <TomDN> ivan: will do

Ivan Herman: will do

16:47:59 <TomDN> ivan: Do note: what we send out for PR is the final document. So be sure to spellcheck etc. and be 100% sure

Ivan Herman: Do note: what we send out for PR is the final document. So be sure to spellcheck etc. and be 100% sure

16:48:11 <TomDN> +q to ask if this also goes for the final notes

+q to ask if this also goes for the final notes

16:48:22 <tlebo> so, when are the PR drafts finalized?

Timothy Lebo: so, when are the PR drafts finalized?

16:48:25 <TomDN> Zakim, unmute me

Zakim, unmute me

16:48:25 <Zakim> TomDN should no longer be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: TomDN should no longer be muted

16:48:27 <pgroth> ack TomDN

Paul Groth: ack TomDN

16:48:27 <Zakim> TomDN, you wanted to ask if this also goes for the final notes

Zakim IRC Bot: TomDN, you wanted to ask if this also goes for the final notes

16:48:28 <pgroth>

Paul Groth:

16:49:09 <TomDN> TomDN: Can we still touch the notes after we send out the PRs?

Tom De Nies: Can we still touch the notes after we send out the PRs?

16:49:10 <dgarijo> ok!

Daniel Garijo: ok!

16:49:25 <Luc> do we have time to review those that still need review?

Luc Moreau: do we have time to review those that still need review?

16:49:26 <TomDN> pgroth: yes, but we'd like the final version of the notes on the 12th

Paul Groth: yes, but we'd like the final version of the notes on the 12th

16:49:36 <pgroth> action: paul to remind note editors about March 12 deadline

ACTION: paul to remind note editors about March 12 deadline

16:49:37 <trackbot> Created ACTION-164 - Remind note editors about March 12 deadline [on Paul Groth - due 2013-02-14].

Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-164 - Remind note editors about March 12 deadline [on Paul Groth - due 2013-02-14].

16:49:43 <TomDN> ... We will send out a note via email about this

... We will send out a note via email about this

16:49:54 <TomDN> Zakim. mute me

Zakim. mute me

16:50:25 <TomDN> ivan: So april 23rd will probably be the final final final final date for the notes as well.

Ivan Herman: So april 23rd will probably be the final final final final date for the notes as well.

16:50:29 <dgarijo> +q

Daniel Garijo: +q

16:50:30 <Luc> q+

Luc Moreau: q+

16:50:35 <pgroth> ack Luc

Paul Groth: ack Luc

16:50:57 <TomDN> Luc: I want to make sure that we have the time to get all notes ready by March 12th

Luc Moreau: I want to make sure that we have the time to get all notes ready by March 12th

16:51:08 <TomDN> ... Some still need review

... Some still need review

16:51:20 <TomDN> ... for example PROV-XML, maybe PROV-AQ, PROV-DC, ...

... for example PROV-XML, maybe PROV-AQ, PROV-DC, ...

16:51:52 <TomDN> ivan: There's no last call for notes, so the 12th is a WD publication, so April 23rd is the final date

Ivan Herman: There's no last call for notes, so the 12th is a WD publication, so April 23rd is the final date

16:52:04 <TomDN> Luc: but some reviewers blocked the release of PROV-AQ

Luc Moreau: but some reviewers blocked the release of PROV-AQ

16:52:17 <dgarijo> -q

Daniel Garijo: -q

16:52:21 <TomDN> ... and we need a vote for the synchronized release of the notes

... and we need a vote for the synchronized release of the notes

16:52:33 <TomDN> ... So we need an appropriate amount of time.

... So we need an appropriate amount of time.

16:53:19 <TomDN> ... Will we have enough time?

... Will we have enough time?

16:53:23 <satya> sorry, I have to leave

Satya Sahoo: sorry, I have to leave

16:53:28 <TomDN> pgroth: We have 4 weeks to complete reviews

Paul Groth: We have 4 weeks to complete reviews

16:53:30 <Zakim> -Satya_Sahoo

Zakim IRC Bot: -Satya_Sahoo

16:54:02 <TomDN> ... PROV-XML looks almost done, PROV-DC we will hear about next, and PROV-AQ will probably be done in time.

... PROV-XML looks almost done, PROV-DC we will hear about next, and PROV-AQ will probably be done in time.

16:54:37 <pgroth> Topic: PROV-DC

4. PROV-DC

Summary: Daniel gave an update on PROV-DC. Has addressed most of the issues from the review although there are a couple that remained that need to be resolved. Will continue work on this the week of Feb 25.

<pgroth> Summary: Daniel gave an update on PROV-DC. Has addressed most of the issues from the review although there are a couple that remained that need to be resolved. Will continue work on this the week of Feb 25.
16:54:49 <dgarijo> http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/wiki/AnswersToProvDCReviewers

Daniel Garijo: http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/wiki/AnswersToProvDCReviewers

16:55:06 <TomDN> dgarijo: update on PROV-DC. Been working on response to reviews and edits in the document

Daniel Garijo: update on PROV-DC. Been working on response to reviews and edits in the document

16:55:23 <TomDN> ... Raised new issues for the remaining things to do.

... Raised new issues for the remaining things to do.

16:55:35 <TomDN> ... Main issues are summarized on wikipage

... Main issues are summarized on wikipage

16:56:19 <TomDN> ... about dct:isVersionOf, we have enough material to discuss with dct people.

... about dct:isVersionOf, we have enough material to discuss with dct people.

16:56:41 <TomDN> pgroth: Would like review now or after issues are resolved?

Paul Groth: Would like review now or after issues are resolved?

16:57:02 <pgroth> q?

Paul Groth: q?

16:57:21 <TomDN> dgarijo: Would like time to finish the issues. But if someone wants to have a look, be my guest. People can also answer in comment to the wikipage

Daniel Garijo: Would like time to finish the issues. But if someone wants to have a look, be my guest. People can also answer in comment to the wikipage

16:57:33 <pgroth> http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/prov/raw-file/default/dc-note/dc-note.html

Paul Groth: http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/prov/raw-file/default/dc-note/dc-note.html

16:57:58 <pgroth> q?

Paul Groth: q?

16:58:32 <tlebo> when is the dead deadline for the implementation report?

Timothy Lebo: when is the dead deadline for the implementation report?

16:58:37 <TomDN> pgroth: OK thanks. We still have time for extra implementations. So submit!

Paul Groth: OK thanks. We still have time for extra implementations. So submit!

16:58:50 <TomDN> +q to ask about implementations on Notes

+q to ask about implementations on Notes

16:59:00 <TomDN> Zakim, unmute me

Zakim, unmute me

16:59:00 <Zakim> TomDN was not muted, TomDN

Zakim IRC Bot: TomDN was not muted, TomDN

16:59:45 <TomDN> TomDN: Where can we put implementations of notes?

Tom De Nies: Where can we put implementations of notes?

16:59:47 <pgroth> ack TomDN

Paul Groth: ack TomDN

16:59:47 <Zakim> TomDN, you wanted to ask about implementations on Notes

Zakim IRC Bot: TomDN, you wanted to ask about implementations on Notes

16:59:51 <TomDN> pgroth: On the implementation wiki page

Paul Groth: On the implementation wiki page

17:00:00 <dgarijo> bbye

Daniel Garijo: bbye

17:00:02 <Zakim> -tlebo

Zakim IRC Bot: -tlebo

17:00:03 <Zakim> -Curt_Tilmes

Zakim IRC Bot: -Curt_Tilmes

17:00:05 <Zakim> - +1.818.731.aabb

Zakim IRC Bot: - +1.818.731.aabb

17:00:06 <Zakim> -jcheney

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17:00:07 <Zakim> -TallTed

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17:00:07 <Dong> bye

Trung Huynh: bye

17:00:08 <Zakim> -Ivan

Zakim IRC Bot: -Ivan

17:00:08 <Zakim> -dgarijo

Zakim IRC Bot: -dgarijo

17:00:10 <Zakim> -pgroth

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17:00:14 <Zakim> -[IPcaller]

Zakim IRC Bot: -[IPcaller]

17:00:15 <Zakim> -TomDN

Zakim IRC Bot: -TomDN

17:00:19 <TomDN> bye

bye

17:00:51 <pgroth> rrsagent, set log public

Paul Groth: rrsagent, set log public

17:00:55 <pgroth> rrsagent, draft minutes

Paul Groth: rrsagent, draft minutes

17:00:55 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/02/07-prov-minutes.html pgroth

RRSAgent IRC Bot: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/02/07-prov-minutes.html pgroth

17:00:59 <pgroth> trackbot, end telcon

Paul Groth: trackbot, end telcon

17:00:59 <trackbot> Zakim, list attendees

Trackbot IRC Bot: Zakim, list attendees

17:01:00 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been pgroth, Ivan, dgarijo, Curt_Tilmes, TomDN, +1.818.749.aaaa, TallTed, tlebo, +1.818.731.aabb, [IPcaller], jcheney, Satya_Sahoo,

Zakim IRC Bot: As of this point the attendees have been pgroth, Ivan, dgarijo, Curt_Tilmes, TomDN, +1.818.749.aaaa, TallTed, tlebo, +1.818.731.aabb, [IPcaller], jcheney, Satya_Sahoo,

17:01:00 <Zakim> ... +44.238.055.aacc, SamCoppens, Dong, CraigTrim

Zakim IRC Bot: ... +44.238.055.aacc, SamCoppens, Dong, CraigTrim

17:01:07 <trackbot> RRSAgent, please draft minutes

Trackbot IRC Bot: RRSAgent, please draft minutes

17:01:07 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/02/07-prov-minutes.html trackbot

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17:01:08 <trackbot> RRSAgent, bye

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17:01:08 <RRSAgent> I see 1 open action item saved in http://www.w3.org/2013/02/07-prov-actions.rdf :

RRSAgent IRC Bot: I see 1 open action item saved in http://www.w3.org/2013/02/07-prov-actions.rdf :

17:01:08 <RRSAgent> ACTION: paul to remind note editors about March 12 deadline [1]

ACTION: paul to remind note editors about March 12 deadline [1]

17:01:08 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2013/02/07-prov-irc#T16-49-36

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