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14:00:06 <RRSAgent> logging to http://www.w3.org/2008/07/21-owl-irc
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14:00:18 <IanH> zakim, this is owl
Ian Horrocks: zakim, this is owl ←
14:00:18 <Zakim> IanH, I see SW_OWL()10:00AM in the schedule but not yet started. Perhaps you mean "this will be owl".
Zakim IRC Bot: IanH, I see SW_OWL()10:00AM in the schedule but not yet started. Perhaps you mean "this will be owl". ←
14:00:25 <IanH> zakim, this will be owl
Ian Horrocks: zakim, this will be owl ←
14:00:25 <Zakim> ok, IanH; I see SW_OWL()10:00AM scheduled to start now
Zakim IRC Bot: ok, IanH; I see SW_OWL()10:00AM scheduled to start now ←
14:01:07 <IanH> IanH has changed the topic to: http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/wiki/UFDTF/Agenda.2008.07.21
Ian Horrocks: IanH has changed the topic to: http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/wiki/UFDTF/Agenda.2008.07.21 ←
14:01:15 <Zakim> SW_OWL()10:00AM has now started
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14:01:16 <Zakim> +Vipul_Kashyap
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14:02:02 <Zakim> +??P12
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14:02:13 <IanH> zakim, ??P12 is IanH
Ian Horrocks: zakim, ??P12 is IanH ←
14:02:13 <Zakim> +IanH; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +IanH; got it ←
14:02:24 <Zakim> +??P13
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P13 ←
14:03:13 <Zakim> +Elisa_Kendall
Zakim IRC Bot: +Elisa_Kendall ←
14:04:08 <IanH> zakim, who is here?
Ian Horrocks: zakim, who is here? ←
14:04:08 <Zakim> On the phone I see Vipul_Kashyap, IanH, ??P13, Elisa_Kendall
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see Vipul_Kashyap, IanH, ??P13, Elisa_Kendall ←
14:04:09 <Zakim> On IRC I see vipul, Elisa, RRSAgent, Zakim, IanH, ewallace, trackbot
Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see vipul, Elisa, RRSAgent, Zakim, IanH, ewallace, trackbot ←
14:04:34 <Zakim> +Evan_Wallace
Zakim IRC Bot: +Evan_Wallace ←
14:04:49 <IanH> Who is ??P13?
Ian Horrocks: Who is ??P13? ←
14:05:32 <IanH> Deb, did you call in?
Ian Horrocks: Deb, did you call in? ←
14:05:37 <IanH> ScribeNick: IanH
(Scribe set to Ian Horrocks)
14:05:48 <dlm> yes - i did but it answered and then started ringing before i could put in the conf code
Deborah McGuinness: yes - i did but it answered and then started ringing before i could put in the conf code ←
14:05:51 <dlm> trying again
Deborah McGuinness: trying again ←
14:06:01 <Zakim> +dlm
Zakim IRC Bot: +dlm ←
14:06:07 <dlm> got on
Deborah McGuinness: got on ←
14:06:09 <IanH> zakim, who is here?
zakim, who is here? ←
14:06:09 <Zakim> On the phone I see Vipul_Kashyap, IanH, ??P13 (muted), Elisa_Kendall, Evan_Wallace, dlm
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see Vipul_Kashyap, IanH, ??P13 (muted), Elisa_Kendall, Evan_Wallace, dlm ←
14:06:12 <Zakim> On IRC I see dlm, vipul, Elisa, RRSAgent, Zakim, IanH, ewallace, trackbot
Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see dlm, vipul, Elisa, RRSAgent, Zakim, IanH, ewallace, trackbot ←
14:08:00 <ewallace> minutes look fine
Evan Wallace: minutes look fine ←
14:08:16 <IanH> RESOLVED: Accept previous minutes
RESOLVED: Accept previous minutes ←
14:08:50 <Zakim> +??P20
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14:08:54 <IanH> IanH has changed the topic to: quick start
IanH has changed the topic to: quick start ←
14:09:03 <michel> Zakim, ??P20 is michel
Michel Dumontier: Zakim, ??P20 is michel ←
14:09:03 <Zakim> +michel; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +michel; got it ←
14:09:04 <IanH> Ian: progress
Ian Horrocks: progress ←
14:09:11 <Elisa> http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/wiki/UFDTF
Elisa Kendall: http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/wiki/UFDTF ←
14:09:54 <dlm> http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/wiki/Quick_Reference_Guide
Deborah McGuinness: http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/wiki/Quick_Reference_Guide ←
14:10:27 <IanH> Elisa: Made some progress; some issues have arisen
Elisa Kendall: Made some progress; some issues have arisen ←
14:11:11 <IanH> Elisa: Structure follows syntax doc
Elisa Kendall: Structure follows syntax doc ←
14:12:19 <IanH> ... some issues w.r.t. annotations due to lack of links
... some issues w.r.t. annotations due to lack of links ←
14:13:21 <IanH> ... needs relevant tags in syntax document
... needs relevant tags in syntax document ←
14:15:40 <IanH> ... e.g., tag for Declaration to enable a jump straight to that point in Syntax
... e.g., tag for Declaration to enable a jump straight to that point in Syntax ←
14:18:45 <IanH> ... e.g., owl:deprecated
... e.g., owl:deprecated ←
14:20:38 <IanH> ... not sure if links to Primer are needed
... not sure if links to Primer are needed ←
14:21:51 <IanH> Elisa: what about the structure?
Elisa Kendall: what about the structure? ←
14:22:01 <dlm> one portion of our target audience is the people who use http://www.w3.org/TR/2004/REC-owl-features-20040210/#s2 in the owl 1 overview
Deborah McGuinness: one portion of our target audience is the people who use http://www.w3.org/TR/2004/REC-owl-features-20040210/#s2 in the owl 1 overview ←
14:22:08 <IanH> IanH: Looks OK, but I'm not the target audience
Ian Horrocks: Looks OK, but I'm not the target audience ←
14:23:39 <IanH> dlm: would like 2 page reference card, but this might be a squeeze
Deborah McGuinness: would like 2 page reference card, but this might be a squeeze ←
14:23:50 <IanH> Evan: need reviewers from outside WG
Evan Wallace: need reviewers from outside WG ←
14:25:10 <IanH> IanH: Let Boris know what tags you need
Ian Horrocks: Let Boris know what tags you need ←
14:25:16 <IanH> Elisa: Yes
Elisa Kendall: Yes ←
14:25:37 <IanH> dlm: will link to examples in Primer
Deborah McGuinness: will link to examples in Primer ←
14:26:50 <IanH> IanH: examples here will make it too long; link to primer will be better
Ian Horrocks: examples here will make it too long; link to primer will be better ←
14:27:03 <IanH> Elisa: can provide link in 4th column
Elisa Kendall: can provide link in 4th column ←
14:27:27 <IanH> dlm: and too time consuming
Deborah McGuinness: and too time consuming ←
14:29:13 <IanH> IanH: maybe structure is back to front for this audience?
Ian Horrocks: maybe structure is back to front for this audience? ←
14:29:24 <ewallace> I agree that quickstart should be factored differently
Evan Wallace: I agree that quickstart should be factored differently ←
14:29:36 <ewallace> ... then Syntax doc
Evan Wallace: ... then Syntax doc ←
14:30:00 <IanH> Elisa: agree, but had to start with some ordering
Elisa Kendall: agree, but had to start with some ordering ←
14:30:26 <IanH> dlm: figured that it would be least contentious
Deborah McGuinness: figured that it would be least contentious ←
14:31:17 <IanH> IanH: you have a lot of leeway
Ian Horrocks: you have a lot of leeway ←
14:32:16 <IanH> IanH: does it need to be fully comprehensive?
Ian Horrocks: does it need to be fully comprehensive? ←
14:32:28 <ewallace> might be able to leave out datacomplementOf
Evan Wallace: might be able to leave out datacomplementOf ←
14:32:36 <IanH> dlm: was benefit to that in OWL overview
Deborah McGuinness: was benefit to that in OWL overview ←
14:33:05 <IanH> Elisa: perhaps go back to ordering in OWL overview
Elisa Kendall: perhaps go back to ordering in OWL overview ←
14:34:55 <IanH> IanH: maybe only provide list of pointers for "complicated stuff"
Ian Horrocks: maybe only provide list of pointers for "complicated stuff" ←
14:35:23 <IanH> Evan: too early to know about all this stuff -- let's see how it goes
Evan Wallace: too early to know about all this stuff -- let's see how it goes ←
14:35:45 <IanH> Elisa: test audience at NIST?
Elisa Kendall: test audience at NIST? ←
14:36:03 <IanH> Evan: yes; guess you and Deb also have customers
Evan Wallace: yes; guess you and Deb also have customers ←
14:37:07 <IanH> IanH: Reasonably clear how to go forward
Ian Horrocks: Reasonably clear how to go forward ←
14:37:44 <michel> +q
Michel Dumontier: +q ←
14:38:14 <ewallace> michel is on the queue
Evan Wallace: michel is on the queue ←
14:38:21 <IanH> q?
q? ←
14:38:27 <IanH> ack michel
ack michel ←
14:38:49 <IanH> IanH: send email to the list now pointing people at draft
Ian Horrocks: send email to the list now pointing people at draft ←
14:39:04 <IanH> ... let them know it is work in progress and to look later in the week for more stuff
... let them know it is work in progress and to look later in the week for more stuff ←
14:39:22 <IanH> ... Will reiterate this message on Wednesday
... Will reiterate this message on Wednesday ←
14:39:50 <IanH> Michel: likes reference card format
Michel Dumontier: likes reference card format ←
14:39:56 <dlm> michel likes the language synopsis of the 1.0 document and likes the reference card format
Deborah McGuinness: michel likes the language synopsis of the 1.0 document and likes the reference card format ←
14:40:11 <IanH> Elisa: will produce such a thing and link to it from top of this document
Elisa Kendall: will produce such a thing and link to it from top of this document ←
14:40:44 <IanH> Michel: likes brief description after names of entities -- this is very useful
Michel Dumontier: likes brief description after names of entities -- this is very useful ←
14:42:29 <michel> having both would be nice
Michel Dumontier: having both would be nice ←
14:42:44 <michel> (links to syntax and primer, that is)
Michel Dumontier: (links to syntax and primer, that is) ←
14:42:50 <IanH> dlm: links to both Primer and Ref (syntax) will be good
Deborah McGuinness: links to both Primer and Ref (syntax) will be good ←
14:44:05 <Zakim> -Elisa_Kendall
Zakim IRC Bot: -Elisa_Kendall ←
14:44:10 <IanH> IanH has changed the topic to: requirements
IanH has changed the topic to: requirements ←
14:44:25 <ewallace> frozen version of reqs doc
Evan Wallace: frozen version of reqs doc ←
14:44:31 <ewallace> http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/draft/ED-owl2-requirements-20080721/
Evan Wallace: http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/draft/ED-owl2-requirements-20080721/ ←
14:45:16 <IanH> Vipul: two structures -- mine and Christine's
Vipul Kashyap: two structures -- mine and Christine's ←
14:45:26 <IanH> ... need to think about users of OWL 2
... need to think about users of OWL 2 ←
14:45:40 <IanH> ... bring out issues related to applications and users
... bring out issues related to applications and users ←
14:46:30 <IanH> ... agreed with Deb that common threads run through many applications
... agreed with Deb that common threads run through many applications ←
14:46:44 <cgolbrei> made revisions today, last version is still at http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/wiki/RequirementsDraft
Christine Golbreich: made revisions today, last version is still at http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/wiki/RequirementsDraft ←
14:47:49 <ewallace> it was frozen this morning
Evan Wallace: it was frozen this morning ←
14:48:07 <cgolbrei> added deb ucs
Christine Golbreich: added deb ucs ←
14:48:16 <IanH> dlm: includes my updates and comments from Christine
Deborah McGuinness: includes my updates and comments from Christine ←
14:49:10 <cgolbrei> is it possible to take the update including deb's ucs ?
Christine Golbreich: is it possible to take the update including deb's ucs ? ←
14:49:47 <michel> there is a discussion link
Michel Dumontier: there is a discussion link ←
14:49:54 <IanH> IanH: send email pointing to editors draft for review
Ian Horrocks: send email pointing to editors draft for review ←
14:50:09 <IanH> zakim, who is here?
zakim, who is here? ←
14:50:09 <Zakim> On the phone I see Vipul_Kashyap, IanH, ??P13, Evan_Wallace, dlm, michel
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see Vipul_Kashyap, IanH, ??P13, Evan_Wallace, dlm, michel ←
14:50:11 <Zakim> On IRC I see cgolbrei, michel, dlm, vipul, RRSAgent, Zakim, IanH, ewallace, trackbot
Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see cgolbrei, michel, dlm, vipul, RRSAgent, Zakim, IanH, ewallace, trackbot ←
14:50:30 <IanH> zakim, ??P13 is cgolbei
zakim, ??P13 is cgolbei ←
14:50:30 <Zakim> +cgolbei; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +cgolbei; got it ←
14:50:33 <ewallace> echo
Evan Wallace: echo ←
14:50:46 <IanH> Heavy breathing!
Heavy breathing! ←
14:51:46 <vipul> Which version is being frozen ? http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/wiki/index.php?title=RequirementsDraftForReview
Vipul Kashyap: Which version is being frozen ? http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/wiki/index.php?title=RequirementsDraftForReview ←
14:51:51 <vipul> Is that the one?
Vipul Kashyap: Is that the one? ←
14:51:58 <ewallace> Yes
Evan Wallace: Yes ←
14:52:39 <IanH> Christine: may be some outdated references in current document
Christine Golbreich: may be some outdated references in current document ←
14:52:49 <vipul> q+
Vipul Kashyap: q+ ←
14:54:45 <IanH> q?
q? ←
14:54:48 <IanH> ack vipul
ack vipul ←
14:54:58 <cgolbrei> +q
Christine Golbreich: +q ←
14:55:10 <IanH> vipul: link to discussion page would be useful
Vipul Kashyap: link to discussion page would be useful ←
14:55:22 <IanH> ... may need more time at F2F
... may need more time at F2F ←
14:55:46 <ewallace> This will be reviewed http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/draft/ED-owl2-requirements-20080721/
Evan Wallace: This will be reviewed http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/draft/ED-owl2-requirements-20080721/ ←
14:56:05 <ewallace> produced from http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/wiki/index.php?title=RequirementsDraftForReview
Evan Wallace: produced from http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/wiki/index.php?title=RequirementsDraftForReview ←
14:56:09 <IanH> http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/draft/ED-owl2-requirements-20080721/
http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/draft/ED-owl2-requirements-20080721/ ←
14:57:31 <IanH> Christine: worthwhile to get frozen version updated
Christine Golbreich: worthwhile to get frozen version updated ←
14:58:35 <IanH> Evan: will try to get new frozen version to reflect latest updates
Evan Wallace: will try to get new frozen version to reflect latest updates ←
14:59:04 <michel> http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/wiki/RequirementsDraft
Michel Dumontier: http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/wiki/RequirementsDraft ←
14:59:14 <michel> contains 19 use cases
Michel Dumontier: contains 19 use cases ←
14:59:14 <cgolbrei> http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/wiki/RequirementsDraft
Christine Golbreich: http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/wiki/RequirementsDraft ←
14:59:27 <dlm> http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/wiki/RequirementsDraft
Deborah McGuinness: http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/wiki/RequirementsDraft ←
14:59:48 <cgolbrei> this is the last updated
Christine Golbreich: this is the last updated ←
15:00:33 <IanH> Evan: I didn't tell everyone which version we are working from
Evan Wallace: I didn't tell everyone which version we are working from ←
15:00:42 <IanH> ... so we have several versions :-(
... so we have several versions :-( ←
15:01:35 <dlm> the other one i updated over the weekend was http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/wiki/UseCasesMotivatedByDomainsAndApplications
Deborah McGuinness: the other one i updated over the weekend was http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/wiki/UseCasesMotivatedByDomainsAndApplications ←
15:01:57 <cgolbrei> all sections are updated and merged in http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/wiki/RequirementsDraft
Christine Golbreich: all sections are updated and merged in http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/wiki/RequirementsDraft ←
15:02:05 <dlm> i agree
Deborah McGuinness: i agree ←
15:02:22 <IanH> http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/wiki/RequirementsDraft
http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/wiki/RequirementsDraft ←
15:02:38 <ewallace> Not sure how to do that
Evan Wallace: Not sure how to do that ←
15:03:24 <IanH> IanH: need to update ReqDraft and make new editors draft
Ian Horrocks: need to update ReqDraft and make new editors draft ←
15:05:00 <IanH> IanH: Vipul then Christine then Deb update RequirementsDraft
Ian Horrocks: Vipul then Christine then Deb update RequirementsDraft ←
15:05:40 <IanH> IanH: Then ask Sandro to create new editors' draft
Ian Horrocks: Then ask Sandro to create new editors' draft ←
15:07:04 <IanH> IanH: Order of play should be: Christine, Vipul then Deb
Ian Horrocks: Order of play should be: Christine, Vipul then Deb ←
15:07:16 <ewallace> we are already working from Christine's latest version, Yes?
Evan Wallace: we are already working from Christine's latest version, Yes? ←
15:07:52 <IanH> IanH: yes, http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/wiki/RequirementsDraft
Ian Horrocks: yes, http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/wiki/RequirementsDraft ←
15:08:38 <ewallace> In one hour Vipul will have exclusive write permission to update
Evan Wallace: In one hour Vipul will have exclusive write permission to update ←
15:08:47 <ewallace> http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/wiki/RequirementsDraft
Evan Wallace: http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/wiki/RequirementsDraft ←
15:10:29 <cgolbrei> on his section
Christine Golbreich: on his section ←
15:10:52 <ewallace> on the whole document
Evan Wallace: on the whole document ←
15:11:07 <dlm> later the question is whether we include requirements that are not expected to be met by owl 2.0 (such as vsto's need for defaults).
Deborah McGuinness: later the question is whether we include requirements that are not expected to be met by owl 2.0 (such as vsto's need for defaults). ←
15:11:16 <IanH> Christine: when can we continue work?
Christine Golbreich: when can we continue work? ←
15:11:29 <IanH> IanH: After editors' draft
Ian Horrocks: After editors' draft ←
15:12:03 <Zakim> -Evan_Wallace
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15:12:04 <Zakim> -Vipul_Kashyap
Zakim IRC Bot: -Vipul_Kashyap ←
15:12:08 <Zakim> -cgolbei
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15:12:09 <Zakim> -dlm
Zakim IRC Bot: -dlm ←
15:12:14 <Zakim> -michel
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15:12:16 <Zakim> -IanH
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15:12:17 <Zakim> SW_OWL()10:00AM has ended
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15:12:19 <Zakim> Attendees were Vipul_Kashyap, IanH, Elisa_Kendall, Evan_Wallace, dlm, michel, cgolbei
Zakim IRC Bot: Attendees were Vipul_Kashyap, IanH, Elisa_Kendall, Evan_Wallace, dlm, michel, cgolbei ←
15:12:50 <IanH> RRSAgent, make records public
RRSAgent, make records public ←
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