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16:53:01 <RRSAgent> logging to http://www.w3.org/2008/05/28-owl-irc
RRSAgent IRC Bot: logging to http://www.w3.org/2008/05/28-owl-irc ←
16:53:12 <Rinke> RRSAgent, make records public
Rinke Hoekstra: RRSAgent, make records public ←
16:53:19 <Rinke> Zakim, this will be owl
Rinke Hoekstra: Zakim, this will be owl ←
16:53:19 <Zakim> ok, Rinke; I see SW_OWL()12:00PM scheduled to start 53 minutes ago
Zakim IRC Bot: ok, Rinke; I see SW_OWL()12:00PM scheduled to start 53 minutes ago ←
16:56:07 <JeremyCarroll> JeremyCarroll has changed the topic to: http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/wiki/Teleconference.2008.05.28/Agenda
Jeremy Carroll: JeremyCarroll has changed the topic to: http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/wiki/Teleconference.2008.05.28/Agenda ←
16:56:22 <JeremyCarroll> Zakim, this will be OWL
Jeremy Carroll: Zakim, this will be OWL ←
16:56:22 <Zakim> ok, JeremyCarroll; I see SW_OWL()12:00PM scheduled to start 56 minutes ago
Zakim IRC Bot: ok, JeremyCarroll; I see SW_OWL()12:00PM scheduled to start 56 minutes ago ←
16:56:55 <Rinke> RRSAgent, pointer?
Rinke Hoekstra: RRSAgent, pointer? ←
16:56:55 <RRSAgent> See http://www.w3.org/2008/05/28-owl-irc#T16-56-55
RRSAgent IRC Bot: See http://www.w3.org/2008/05/28-owl-irc#T16-56-55 ←
16:57:23 <Zakim> SW_OWL()12:00PM has now started
Zakim IRC Bot: SW_OWL()12:00PM has now started ←
16:57:30 <Zakim> +??P14
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P14 ←
16:57:35 <bmotik> Zakim, ??P14 is me
Boris Motik: Zakim, ??P14 is me ←
16:57:35 <Zakim> +bmotik; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +bmotik; got it ←
16:57:41 <bmotik> Zakim, mute me
Boris Motik: Zakim, mute me ←
16:57:41 <Zakim> sorry, bmotik, muting is not permitted when only one person is present
Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, bmotik, muting is not permitted when only one person is present ←
16:57:50 <Zakim> +Elisa_Kendall
Zakim IRC Bot: +Elisa_Kendall ←
16:57:54 <bmotik> Zakim, mute me
Boris Motik: Zakim, mute me ←
16:57:54 <Zakim> bmotik should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: bmotik should now be muted ←
16:58:00 <Zakim> +??P16
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P16 ←
16:58:07 <ivan> zakim, dial ivan-voip
Ivan Herman: zakim, dial ivan-voip ←
16:58:07 <Zakim> ok, ivan; the call is being made
Zakim IRC Bot: ok, ivan; the call is being made ←
16:58:09 <Zakim> +Ivan
Zakim IRC Bot: +Ivan ←
16:58:09 <JeremyCarroll> Zakim, ??P16 is me
Jeremy Carroll: Zakim, ??P16 is me ←
16:58:09 <Zakim> +JeremyCarroll; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +JeremyCarroll; got it ←
16:58:14 <JeremyCarroll> Zakim, mute me
Jeremy Carroll: Zakim, mute me ←
16:58:14 <Zakim> JeremyCarroll should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: JeremyCarroll should now be muted ←
16:58:19 <Zakim> + +31.20.525.aaaa
Zakim IRC Bot: + +31.20.525.aaaa ←
16:58:22 <JeremyCarroll> q-
Jeremy Carroll: q- ←
16:58:25 <Rinke> zakim, aaaa is me
Rinke Hoekstra: zakim, aaaa is me ←
16:58:26 <Zakim> +Rinke; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +Rinke; got it ←
16:58:41 <ivan> zakim, mute me
Ivan Herman: zakim, mute me ←
16:58:41 <Zakim> Ivan should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: Ivan should now be muted ←
16:59:10 <Zakim> +IanH
Zakim IRC Bot: +IanH ←
16:59:16 <Zakim> +Alan
Zakim IRC Bot: +Alan ←
16:59:30 <Zakim> + +0190827aabb
Zakim IRC Bot: + +0190827aabb ←
16:59:32 <Zakim> +Peter_Patel-Schneider
Zakim IRC Bot: +Peter_Patel-Schneider ←
16:59:40 <MartinD> zakim, aabb is me
Martin Dzbor: zakim, aabb is me ←
16:59:40 <Zakim> +MartinD; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +MartinD; got it ←
16:59:43 <Zakim> +Evan_Wallace
Zakim IRC Bot: +Evan_Wallace ←
16:59:47 <MartinD> zakim, mute me
Martin Dzbor: zakim, mute me ←
16:59:47 <Zakim> MartinD should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: MartinD should now be muted ←
17:00:56 <alanr> I see 1pm exactly. my time right?
Alan Ruttenberg: I see 1pm exactly. my time right? ←
17:01:12 <sandro> alanr, sorry for late regrets (just e-mailed)
Sandro Hawke: alanr, sorry for late regrets (just e-mailed) ←
17:01:15 <Zakim> + +1.202.408.aacc
Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.202.408.aacc ←
17:01:21 <Zakim> +Torbjorn
Zakim IRC Bot: +Torbjorn ←
17:01:30 <sandro> RRSAgent, pointer?
Sandro Hawke: RRSAgent, pointer? ←
17:01:30 <RRSAgent> See http://www.w3.org/2008/05/28-owl-irc#T17-01-30
RRSAgent IRC Bot: See http://www.w3.org/2008/05/28-owl-irc#T17-01-30 ←
17:01:31 <Zakim> +Zhe
Zakim IRC Bot: +Zhe ←
17:01:43 <sandro> alanr, I'll wikifiy the minutes later tonight.
Sandro Hawke: alanr, I'll wikifiy the minutes later tonight. ←
17:02:00 <alanr> ok, thanks sandro
Alan Ruttenberg: ok, thanks sandro ←
17:02:16 <m_schnei> zakim,Torbjorn is me
Michael Schneider: zakim,Torbjorn is me ←
17:02:16 <Zakim> +m_schnei; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +m_schnei; got it ←
17:02:27 <Zakim> +??P26
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P26 ←
17:02:34 <uli> zakim, ??P26 is me
Uli Sattler: zakim, ??P26 is me ←
17:02:34 <Zakim> +uli; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +uli; got it ←
17:02:45 <Zakim> +[IBM]
Zakim IRC Bot: +[IBM] ←
17:02:50 <uli> zakim, mute me
Uli Sattler: zakim, mute me ←
17:02:50 <Zakim> uli should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: uli should now be muted ←
17:02:55 <Rinke> scribenick: Zhe
(Scribe set to Zhe Wu)
17:02:55 <Zhe> ScibeNick: Zhe
Scribe problem: the name 'ScibeNick' does not match any of the 53 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Achille Fokoue Alan Ruttenberg Anne Cregan Bernardo Cuenca Grau Bijan Parsia Boris Motik Christine Golbreich Conrad Bock Deborah McGuinness Diego Calvanese Doug Lenat Elisa Kendall Enrico Franconi Evan Wallace Evren Sirin Fabian Neuhaus Fabien Gandon Giorgos Stamou Giorgos Stoilos Héctor Pérez Urbina Ian Horrocks Ivan Herman Jeff Pan Jeremy Carroll Jie Bao Joanne Luciano Jonathan Rees Kendall Clark Markus Krötzsch Martin Dzbor Michael Sintek Michael Smith Michael Schneider Michel Dumontier Olivier Corby Pascal Hitzler Peter Haase Peter Patel-Schneider Ratnesh Sahay Rinke Hoekstra Sandro Hawke Steve Battle Suzette Stoutenburg Tommie Meyer Uli Sattler Vassilis Tzouvaras Vipul Kashyap Vit Novacek Vojtech Svatek Zhe Wu Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
Unknown ScibeNick: Zhe ←
17:02:59 <Achille> Zakim, IBM is Achille
Achille Fokoue: Zakim, IBM is Achille ←
17:02:59 <Zakim> +Achille; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +Achille; got it ←
17:03:07 <m_schnei> zakim, mute me
Michael Schneider: zakim, mute me ←
17:03:08 <Zakim> m_schnei should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: m_schnei should now be muted ←
17:03:38 <Zakim> +qhreul
Zakim IRC Bot: +qhreul ←
17:03:59 <JeffP> zakim, qhreul is me
Jeff Pan: zakim, qhreul is me ←
17:03:59 <Zakim> +JeffP; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +JeffP; got it ←
17:04:33 <alanr> zakim, who is here?
Alan Ruttenberg: zakim, who is here? ←
17:04:33 <Zakim> On the phone I see bmotik (muted), Elisa_Kendall, JeremyCarroll (muted), Ivan (muted), Rinke, IanH (muted), Alan, MartinD (muted), Peter_Patel-Schneider, Evan_Wallace, msmith,
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see bmotik (muted), Elisa_Kendall, JeremyCarroll (muted), Ivan (muted), Rinke, IanH (muted), Alan, MartinD (muted), Peter_Patel-Schneider, Evan_Wallace, msmith, ←
17:04:36 <Zakim> ... m_schnei (muted), Zhe, uli (muted), Achille, JeffP
Zakim IRC Bot: ... m_schnei (muted), Zhe, uli (muted), Achille, JeffP ←
17:04:37 <Zakim> On IRC I see Achille, uli, msmith, m_schnei, JeffP, Zhe, pfps, MartinD, ewallace, bmotik, alanr, ivan, JeremyCarroll, Elisa, RRSAgent, Zakim, Rinke, IanH, sandro, trackbot-ng
Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see Achille, uli, msmith, m_schnei, JeffP, Zhe, pfps, MartinD, ewallace, bmotik, alanr, ivan, JeremyCarroll, Elisa, RRSAgent, Zakim, Rinke, IanH, sandro, trackbot-ng ←
17:04:55 <Zhe> Topic: accept previous minutes
17:05:06 <pfps> minutes are not great
Peter Patel-Schneider: minutes are not great ←
17:05:09 <Zhe> PROPOSED: accept previous previous minutes http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/wiki/Teleconference.2008.05.21/Minutes
PROPOSED: accept previous previous minutes http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/wiki/Teleconference.2008.05.21/Minutes ←
17:05:42 <msmith> there was a lot of zakim-ness, but they were sufficient for me to understand what I missed.
Michael Smith: there was a lot of zakim-ness, but they were sufficient for me to understand what I missed. ←
17:05:44 <pfps> potentially out-of-order stuff
Peter Patel-Schneider: potentially out-of-order stuff ←
17:06:09 <pfps> also strange blue right parenthesis
Peter Patel-Schneider: also strange blue right parenthesis ←
17:06:10 <Zhe> alanr: Jeff, need more work?
Alan Ruttenberg: Jeff, need more work? ←
17:06:26 <Zhe> JeffP: tried to incorporate Peter's comments
Jeff Pan: tried to incorporate Peter's comments ←
17:06:28 <pfps> around issue-124 start
Peter Patel-Schneider: around ISSUE-124 start ←
17:06:49 <Zhe> alanr: consider it not ready
Alan Ruttenberg: consider it not ready ←
17:07:01 <alanr> PROPOSED: Thank Jeremy Carroll for his exemplary service to the WG and wish him well in his new employment
PROPOSED: Thank Jeremy Carroll for his exemplary service to the WG and wish him well in his new employment ←
17:07:07 <pfps> the scribe should really be looking for problems related to the non-synchronous nature of the meeting
Peter Patel-Schneider: the scribe should really be looking for problems related to the non-synchronous nature of the meeting ←
17:07:10 <Zhe> alanr: Jeremy's last meeting. we all thank him!
Alan Ruttenberg: Jeremy's last meeting. we all thank him! ←
17:07:11 <m_schnei> +1
Michael Schneider: +1 ←
17:07:13 <pfps> +2
17:07:16 <Rinke> +3
Rinke Hoekstra: +3 ←
17:07:18 <JeremyCarroll> Zakim, unmute me
Jeremy Carroll: Zakim, unmute me ←
17:07:18 <Zakim> JeremyCarroll should no longer be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: JeremyCarroll should no longer be muted ←
17:07:19 <alanr> +1
Alan Ruttenberg: +1 ←
17:07:21 <JeffP> +1
17:07:23 <ivan> +infinite
Ivan Herman: +infinite ←
17:07:24 <bmotik> +1
Boris Motik: +1 ←
17:07:25 <msmith> +1
Michael Smith: +1 ←
17:07:27 <IanH> +1
Ian Horrocks: +1 ←
17:07:27 <uli> +1
Uli Sattler: +1 ←
17:07:29 <Elisa> +1
Elisa Kendall: +1 ←
17:07:30 <ewallace> +!
Evan Wallace: +! ←
17:07:30 <Zhe> +
+ ←
17:07:31 <pfps> no - you can vote for yourself
Peter Patel-Schneider: no - you can vote for yourself ←
17:07:32 <Zhe> +1
+1 ←
17:07:40 <alanr> RESOLVED: Thanks Jeremy Carroll for his exemplary service to the WG and wish him well in his new employment
RESOLVED: Thanks Jeremy Carroll for his exemplary service to the WG and wish him well in his new employment ←
17:07:41 <JeremyCarroll> Zakim, mute me
Jeremy Carroll: Zakim, mute me ←
17:07:41 <Zakim> JeremyCarroll should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: JeremyCarroll should now be muted ←
17:07:42 <Zakim> +??P11
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P11 ←
17:07:53 <Carsten> zakim, p11 is me
Scribe problem: the name 'Carsten' does not match any of the 53 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Achille Fokoue Alan Ruttenberg Anne Cregan Bernardo Cuenca Grau Bijan Parsia Boris Motik Christine Golbreich Conrad Bock Deborah McGuinness Diego Calvanese Doug Lenat Elisa Kendall Enrico Franconi Evan Wallace Evren Sirin Fabian Neuhaus Fabien Gandon Giorgos Stamou Giorgos Stoilos Héctor Pérez Urbina Ian Horrocks Ivan Herman Jeff Pan Jeremy Carroll Jie Bao Joanne Luciano Jonathan Rees Kendall Clark Markus Krötzsch Martin Dzbor Michael Sintek Michael Smith Michael Schneider Michel Dumontier Olivier Corby Pascal Hitzler Peter Haase Peter Patel-Schneider Ratnesh Sahay Rinke Hoekstra Sandro Hawke Steve Battle Suzette Stoutenburg Tommie Meyer Uli Sattler Vassilis Tzouvaras Vipul Kashyap Vit Novacek Vojtech Svatek Zhe Wu Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
Scribe problem: the name 'Carsten' does not match any of the 53 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Achille Fokoue Alan Ruttenberg Anne Cregan Bernardo Cuenca Grau Bijan Parsia Boris Motik Christine Golbreich Conrad Bock Deborah McGuinness Diego Calvanese Doug Lenat Elisa Kendall Enrico Franconi Evan Wallace Evren Sirin Fabian Neuhaus Fabien Gandon Giorgos Stamou Giorgos Stoilos Héctor Pérez Urbina Ian Horrocks Ivan Herman Jeff Pan Jeremy Carroll Jie Bao Joanne Luciano Jonathan Rees Kendall Clark Markus Krötzsch Martin Dzbor Michael Sintek Michael Smith Michael Schneider Michel Dumontier Olivier Corby Pascal Hitzler Peter Haase Peter Patel-Schneider Ratnesh Sahay Rinke Hoekstra Sandro Hawke Steve Battle Suzette Stoutenburg Tommie Meyer Uli Sattler Vassilis Tzouvaras Vipul Kashyap Vit Novacek Vojtech Svatek Zhe Wu Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
Unknown Carsten: zakim, p11 is me ←
17:07:53 <Zakim> sorry, Carsten, I do not recognize a party named 'p11'
Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, Carsten, I do not recognize a party named 'p11' ←
17:08:00 <Carsten> zakim, ??p11 is me
Scribe problem: the name 'Carsten' does not match any of the 53 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Achille Fokoue Alan Ruttenberg Anne Cregan Bernardo Cuenca Grau Bijan Parsia Boris Motik Christine Golbreich Conrad Bock Deborah McGuinness Diego Calvanese Doug Lenat Elisa Kendall Enrico Franconi Evan Wallace Evren Sirin Fabian Neuhaus Fabien Gandon Giorgos Stamou Giorgos Stoilos Héctor Pérez Urbina Ian Horrocks Ivan Herman Jeff Pan Jeremy Carroll Jie Bao Joanne Luciano Jonathan Rees Kendall Clark Markus Krötzsch Martin Dzbor Michael Sintek Michael Smith Michael Schneider Michel Dumontier Olivier Corby Pascal Hitzler Peter Haase Peter Patel-Schneider Ratnesh Sahay Rinke Hoekstra Sandro Hawke Steve Battle Suzette Stoutenburg Tommie Meyer Uli Sattler Vassilis Tzouvaras Vipul Kashyap Vit Novacek Vojtech Svatek Zhe Wu Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
Scribe problem: the name 'Carsten' does not match any of the 53 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Achille Fokoue Alan Ruttenberg Anne Cregan Bernardo Cuenca Grau Bijan Parsia Boris Motik Christine Golbreich Conrad Bock Deborah McGuinness Diego Calvanese Doug Lenat Elisa Kendall Enrico Franconi Evan Wallace Evren Sirin Fabian Neuhaus Fabien Gandon Giorgos Stamou Giorgos Stoilos Héctor Pérez Urbina Ian Horrocks Ivan Herman Jeff Pan Jeremy Carroll Jie Bao Joanne Luciano Jonathan Rees Kendall Clark Markus Krötzsch Martin Dzbor Michael Sintek Michael Smith Michael Schneider Michel Dumontier Olivier Corby Pascal Hitzler Peter Haase Peter Patel-Schneider Ratnesh Sahay Rinke Hoekstra Sandro Hawke Steve Battle Suzette Stoutenburg Tommie Meyer Uli Sattler Vassilis Tzouvaras Vipul Kashyap Vit Novacek Vojtech Svatek Zhe Wu Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
Unknown Carsten: zakim, ??p11 is me ←
17:08:00 <Zakim> +Carsten; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +Carsten; got it ←
17:08:14 <Zhe> Topic: Action items status
17:08:25 <Zhe> alanr: pending review actions
Alan Ruttenberg: pending review actions ←
17:08:28 <Carsten> zakim, mute me
Scribe problem: the name 'Carsten' does not match any of the 53 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Achille Fokoue Alan Ruttenberg Anne Cregan Bernardo Cuenca Grau Bijan Parsia Boris Motik Christine Golbreich Conrad Bock Deborah McGuinness Diego Calvanese Doug Lenat Elisa Kendall Enrico Franconi Evan Wallace Evren Sirin Fabian Neuhaus Fabien Gandon Giorgos Stamou Giorgos Stoilos Héctor Pérez Urbina Ian Horrocks Ivan Herman Jeff Pan Jeremy Carroll Jie Bao Joanne Luciano Jonathan Rees Kendall Clark Markus Krötzsch Martin Dzbor Michael Sintek Michael Smith Michael Schneider Michel Dumontier Olivier Corby Pascal Hitzler Peter Haase Peter Patel-Schneider Ratnesh Sahay Rinke Hoekstra Sandro Hawke Steve Battle Suzette Stoutenburg Tommie Meyer Uli Sattler Vassilis Tzouvaras Vipul Kashyap Vit Novacek Vojtech Svatek Zhe Wu Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
Scribe problem: the name 'Carsten' does not match any of the 53 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Achille Fokoue Alan Ruttenberg Anne Cregan Bernardo Cuenca Grau Bijan Parsia Boris Motik Christine Golbreich Conrad Bock Deborah McGuinness Diego Calvanese Doug Lenat Elisa Kendall Enrico Franconi Evan Wallace Evren Sirin Fabian Neuhaus Fabien Gandon Giorgos Stamou Giorgos Stoilos Héctor Pérez Urbina Ian Horrocks Ivan Herman Jeff Pan Jeremy Carroll Jie Bao Joanne Luciano Jonathan Rees Kendall Clark Markus Krötzsch Martin Dzbor Michael Sintek Michael Smith Michael Schneider Michel Dumontier Olivier Corby Pascal Hitzler Peter Haase Peter Patel-Schneider Ratnesh Sahay Rinke Hoekstra Sandro Hawke Steve Battle Suzette Stoutenburg Tommie Meyer Uli Sattler Vassilis Tzouvaras Vipul Kashyap Vit Novacek Vojtech Svatek Zhe Wu Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
Unknown Carsten: zakim, mute me ←
17:08:28 <Zakim> Carsten should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: Carsten should now be muted ←
17:08:45 <Zhe> Action 143 Put editorial note in profiles document
ACTION-143 Put editorial note in profiles document ←
17:09:06 <Zhe> postpone action 42
17:09:31 <msmith> that's fine, I already emailed sandro about it
Michael Smith: that's fine, I already emailed sandro about it ←
17:09:42 <Zhe> Action 43 Develop scripts to extract test cases from wiki. closed.
ACTION-43 Develop scripts to extract test cases from wiki. closed. ←
17:09:54 <Zhe> Action 139 Sheperd/coordinate the patching process (per ISSUE 119)
ACTION-139 Sheperd/coordinate the patching process (per ISSUE-119) ←
17:10:12 <Zhe> IanH: good progress made.
Ian Horrocks: good progress made. ←
17:10:45 <Zhe> ... don't mind leaving it open
... don't mind leaving it open ←
17:10:59 <Zhe> alanr: estimation?
Alan Ruttenberg: estimation? ←
17:11:08 <Zhe> IanH: something before next F2F
Ian Horrocks: something before next F2F ←
17:11:09 <m_schnei> zakim, unmute me
Michael Schneider: zakim, unmute me ←
17:11:09 <Zakim> m_schnei should no longer be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: m_schnei should no longer be muted ←
17:11:25 <Zhe> m_schnei: itself can be closed
Michael Schneider: itself can be closed ←
17:11:36 <Zhe> ... 109 should be left open
... 119 should be left open ←
17:11:51 <Zhe> ... expect to have the first draft somewhere in June
... expect to have the first draft somewhere in June ←
17:12:08 <Zhe> ... so we have enough time before F2F. I am working on it.
... so we have enough time before F2F. I am working on it. ←
17:12:16 <Rinke> s/109/119
17:12:24 <Zhe> thanks
thanks ←
17:12:50 <m_schnei> zakim, mute me
Michael Schneider: zakim, mute me ←
17:12:50 <Zakim> m_schnei should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: m_schnei should now be muted ←
17:12:58 <Zhe> Topic: Issues
17:13:11 <Zhe> Issue 21 and Issue 24 Imports and Versioning
ISSUE-21 and ISSUE-24 Imports and Versioning ←
17:13:13 <IanH> zakim, unmute me
Ian Horrocks: zakim, unmute me ←
17:13:13 <Zakim> IanH should no longer be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: IanH should no longer be muted ←
17:13:21 <Zhe> IanH chair this
IanH chair this ←
17:13:46 <Zhe> IanH: already have text based on Peter, Boris, AlanR's discussion
Ian Horrocks: already have text based on Peter, Boris, AlanR's discussion ←
17:13:53 <Zhe> IanH: alanr has some issues
Ian Horrocks: alanr has some issues ←
17:14:07 <alanr> http://www.w3.org/mid/9581.1211993947@ubuhebe
Alan Ruttenberg: http://www.w3.org/mid/9581.1211993947@ubuhebe ←
17:14:40 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
17:14:46 <alanr> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-owl-wg/2008May/0176.html
Alan Ruttenberg: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-owl-wg/2008May/0176.html ←
17:14:48 <Zhe> alanr: first one, not importing multi version of the same ontology
Alan Ruttenberg: first one, not importing multi version of the same ontology ←
17:15:07 <bmotik> Zakim, unmute me
Boris Motik: Zakim, unmute me ←
17:15:07 <Zakim> bmotik should no longer be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: bmotik should no longer be muted ←
17:15:08 <alanr> owl:incompatibleWith
Scribe problem: the name 'owl' does not match any of the 53 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Achille Fokoue Alan Ruttenberg Anne Cregan Bernardo Cuenca Grau Bijan Parsia Boris Motik Christine Golbreich Conrad Bock Deborah McGuinness Diego Calvanese Doug Lenat Elisa Kendall Enrico Franconi Evan Wallace Evren Sirin Fabian Neuhaus Fabien Gandon Giorgos Stamou Giorgos Stoilos Héctor Pérez Urbina Ian Horrocks Ivan Herman Jeff Pan Jeremy Carroll Jie Bao Joanne Luciano Jonathan Rees Kendall Clark Markus Krötzsch Martin Dzbor Michael Sintek Michael Smith Michael Schneider Michel Dumontier Olivier Corby Pascal Hitzler Peter Haase Peter Patel-Schneider Ratnesh Sahay Rinke Hoekstra Sandro Hawke Steve Battle Suzette Stoutenburg Tommie Meyer Uli Sattler Vassilis Tzouvaras Vipul Kashyap Vit Novacek Vojtech Svatek Zhe Wu Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
Unknown owl: incompatibleWith [ Scribe Assist by Alan Ruttenberg ] ←
17:15:23 <Zhe> ... second, owl:incompatibleWith
... second, owl:incompatibleWith ←
17:15:24 <bmotik> Alan, can you please repeat the first point?
Boris Motik: Alan, can you please repeat the first point? ←
17:15:26 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
17:15:48 <m_schnei> q+
Michael Schneider: q+ ←
17:15:51 <pfps> q+ to talk about timing
Peter Patel-Schneider: q+ to talk about timing ←
17:15:52 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
17:15:56 <m_schnei> zakim, unmute me
Michael Schneider: zakim, unmute me ←
17:15:56 <Zakim> m_schnei should no longer be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: m_schnei should no longer be muted ←
17:15:56 <Zhe> IanH: not clear that we can resolve it now
Ian Horrocks: not clear that we can resolve it now ←
17:16:02 <alanr> first point in 0176.html
Alan Ruttenberg: first point in 0176.html ←
17:16:16 <Zhe> m_schnei: issue 21 about import, not clear to me
Michael Schneider: ISSUE-21 about import, not clear to me ←
17:16:33 <bmotik> q+
Boris Motik: q+ ←
17:16:34 <Rinke> my questions were adequately answered by Boris' answer
Rinke Hoekstra: my questions were adequately answered by Boris' answer ←
17:16:41 <Rinke> to my email
Rinke Hoekstra: to my email ←
17:17:00 <pfps> q-
17:17:02 <alanr> q?
Alan Ruttenberg: q? ←
17:17:04 <m_schnei> zakim, mute me
Michael Schneider: zakim, mute me ←
17:17:04 <Zakim> m_schnei should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: m_schnei should now be muted ←
17:17:06 <Zhe> ... if two onotlogies are marked incompatible,
... if two onotlogies are marked incompatible, ←
17:17:10 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
17:17:25 <JeremyCarroll> q- m_schnei
Jeremy Carroll: q- m_schnei ←
17:17:28 <Zhe> bmotik: answer to alanr's comment
Boris Motik: answer to alanr's comment ←
17:18:08 <Zhe> ... it is better to say nothing when multi version imported
... it is better to say nothing when multi version imported ←
17:18:15 <JeremyCarroll> +1 to emphasising positives
Jeremy Carroll: +1 to emphasising positives ←
17:18:21 <m_schnei> issue 24 is actually: "Make it be that importing two ontologies which are noted to be incompatible leads to an
Michael Schneider: ISSUE-24 is actually: "Make it be that importing two ontologies which are noted to be incompatible leads to an ←
17:18:22 <m_schnei> inconsistent ontology."
Michael Schneider: inconsistent ontology." ←
17:18:31 <Zhe> ... current spec says nothing when multi version imported
... current spec says nothing when multi version imported ←
17:18:43 <Zhe> ... if you need validation, it is out of the scope
... if you need validation, it is out of the scope ←
17:18:44 <alanr> q?
Alan Ruttenberg: q? ←
17:18:47 <alanr> q+
Alan Ruttenberg: q+ ←
17:18:51 <alanr> ack bmotik
Alan Ruttenberg: ack bmotik ←
17:19:00 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
17:19:05 <Zhe> IanH: all versions are treated as advisory, rather than formal
Ian Horrocks: all versions are treated as advisory, rather than formal ←
17:19:36 <Zhe> bmotik: you get the union of multi versions. spec provides no mechanism for detecting this
Boris Motik: you get the union of multi versions. spec provides no mechanism for detecting this ←
17:19:43 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
17:19:45 <alanr> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-owl-wg/2008Apr/0212.html
Alan Ruttenberg: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-owl-wg/2008Apr/0212.html ←
17:19:54 <Zhe> ... you can implement on top of OWL 2.
... you can implement on top of OWL 2. ←
17:20:05 <m_schnei> q+
Michael Schneider: q+ ←
17:20:17 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
17:20:25 <IanH> ack alanr
Ian Horrocks: ack alanr ←
17:21:08 <Zhe> bmotik: i implemented what I thought we agreed.
Boris Motik: i implemented what I thought we agreed. ←
17:22:25 <Zhe> IanH: alanr, are you arguing about what you want, or the process
Ian Horrocks: alanr, are you arguing about what you want, or the process ←
17:22:26 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
17:23:19 <m_schnei> zakim, unmute me
Michael Schneider: zakim, unmute me ←
17:23:19 <Zakim> m_schnei should no longer be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: m_schnei should no longer be muted ←
17:23:21 <Zhe> alanr: at the workshop, we did not have a solution
Alan Ruttenberg: at the workshop, we did not have a solution ←
17:23:27 <m_schnei> zakim, mute me
Michael Schneider: zakim, mute me ←
17:23:27 <Zakim> m_schnei should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: m_schnei should now be muted ←
17:23:33 <Zhe> ... but peter sent a followup email
... but peter sent a followup email ←
17:23:55 <alanr> An ontology SHOULD NOT import multiple versions of the same ontology,
Alan Ruttenberg: An ontology SHOULD NOT import multiple versions of the same ontology, ←
17:23:56 <alanr> i.e., different ontology documents with the same ontology URI but that
Alan Ruttenberg: i.e., different ontology documents with the same ontology URI but that ←
17:23:56 <alanr> do not share an owl:versionInfo annotation value
Alan Ruttenberg: do not share an owl:versionInfo annotation value ←
17:23:59 <Zhe> IanH: alanr, you like the SPEC to include precise statement on what will happen if two versions of the same ontology are imported
Ian Horrocks: alanr, you like the SPEC to include precise statement on what will happen if two versions of the same ontology are imported ←
17:24:04 <Zhe> ... ?
... ? ←
17:24:47 <JeremyCarroll> q+ to respond to SHOULD
Jeremy Carroll: q+ to respond to SHOULD ←
17:25:00 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
17:25:14 <Zhe> alanr: like to say what peter said that ontology should not import multi versions
Alan Ruttenberg: like to say what peter said that ontology should not import multi versions ←
17:25:29 <Zhe> bmotik: spec is precise on that.
Boris Motik: spec is precise on that. ←
17:25:33 <m_schnei> zakim, unmute me
Michael Schneider: zakim, unmute me ←
17:25:33 <Zakim> m_schnei should no longer be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: m_schnei should no longer be muted ←
17:26:13 <alanr> q?
Alan Ruttenberg: q? ←
17:26:18 <pfps> q+ to respond to inconsistent issue
Peter Patel-Schneider: q+ to respond to inconsistent issue ←
17:26:38 <bmotik> +q
Boris Motik: +q ←
17:26:48 <alanr> although, I am not suggesting now necessarily that there is inconsistent. This would require more work.
Alan Ruttenberg: although, I am not suggesting now necessarily that there is inconsistent. This would require more work. ←
17:26:50 <m_schnei> zakim, mute me
Michael Schneider: zakim, mute me ←
17:26:50 <Zakim> m_schnei should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: m_schnei should now be muted ←
17:26:53 <JeremyCarroll> Zakim, unmute me
Jeremy Carroll: Zakim, unmute me ←
17:26:53 <Zakim> JeremyCarroll should no longer be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: JeremyCarroll should no longer be muted ←
17:26:57 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
17:27:00 <ewallace> are different versions of the same ontology implicitly incompatibleWith each other?
Evan Wallace: are different versions of the same ontology implicitly incompatibleWith each other? ←
17:27:01 <msmith> For SHOULD NOT, see http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc2119.txt bullet 4.
Michael Smith: For SHOULD NOT, see http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc2119.txt bullet 4. ←
17:27:03 <IanH> ack m_schnei
Ian Horrocks: ack m_schnei ←
17:27:09 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
17:27:16 <m_schnei> q-
Michael Schneider: q- ←
17:27:20 <m_schnei> zakim, mute me
Michael Schneider: zakim, mute me ←
17:27:20 <Zakim> m_schnei should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: m_schnei should now be muted ←
17:27:28 <Zakim> -Rinke
Zakim IRC Bot: -Rinke ←
17:27:28 <Zakim> -Carsten
Scribe problem: the name 'Carsten' does not match any of the 53 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Achille Fokoue Alan Ruttenberg Anne Cregan Bernardo Cuenca Grau Bijan Parsia Boris Motik Christine Golbreich Conrad Bock Deborah McGuinness Diego Calvanese Doug Lenat Elisa Kendall Enrico Franconi Evan Wallace Evren Sirin Fabian Neuhaus Fabien Gandon Giorgos Stamou Giorgos Stoilos Héctor Pérez Urbina Ian Horrocks Ivan Herman Jeff Pan Jeremy Carroll Jie Bao Joanne Luciano Jonathan Rees Kendall Clark Markus Krötzsch Martin Dzbor Michael Sintek Michael Smith Michael Schneider Michel Dumontier Olivier Corby Pascal Hitzler Peter Haase Peter Patel-Schneider Ratnesh Sahay Rinke Hoekstra Sandro Hawke Steve Battle Suzette Stoutenburg Tommie Meyer Uli Sattler Vassilis Tzouvaras Vipul Kashyap Vit Novacek Vojtech Svatek Zhe Wu Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
Zakim IRC Bot: -Carsten ←
17:27:30 <Zakim> -bmotik
Zakim IRC Bot: -bmotik ←
17:27:32 <Zakim> -uli
Zakim IRC Bot: -uli ←
17:27:35 <Rinke> oh dear
Rinke Hoekstra: oh dear ←
17:27:41 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
17:27:44 <Zhe> JeremyCarroll: import TF is not decisive
Jeremy Carroll: import TF is not decisive ←
17:27:59 <alanr> +1
Alan Ruttenberg: +1 ←
17:28:10 <Zhe> IanH: to be fair, everyone thought we agreed. and implemented what agreed.
Ian Horrocks: to be fair, everyone thought we agreed. and implemented what agreed. ←
17:28:10 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
17:28:13 <bmotik> I got kicked off the phone line and can't dial back in
Boris Motik: I got kicked off the phone line and can't dial back in ←
17:28:17 <Rinke> me too
Rinke Hoekstra: me too ←
17:28:42 <pfps> is W3C Bristol link down?
Peter Patel-Schneider: is W3C Bristol link down? ←
17:28:48 <IanH> what are the symptoms?
Ian Horrocks: what are the symptoms? ←
17:28:51 <JeffP> I am still in
17:28:53 <Rinke> I'm calling france
Rinke Hoekstra: I'm calling france ←
17:28:56 <JeremyCarroll> I am coming through US
Jeremy Carroll: I am coming through US ←
17:28:56 <IanH> I am via Bristol with no problems
Ian Horrocks: I am via Bristol with no problems ←
17:28:58 <alanr> q?
Alan Ruttenberg: q? ←
17:28:58 <Zakim> +??P4
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P4 ←
17:29:04 <bmotik> Zakim, ??p4 is me
Boris Motik: Zakim, ??p4 is me ←
17:29:04 <Zakim> +bmotik; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +bmotik; got it ←
17:29:04 <JeremyCarroll> q-
Jeremy Carroll: q- ←
17:29:07 <JeffP> using the UK number I mean
Jeff Pan: using the UK number I mean ←
17:29:08 <bmotik> I'm back
Boris Motik: I'm back ←
17:29:08 <Carsten> kicked out by France as well
Scribe problem: the name 'Carsten' does not match any of the 53 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Achille Fokoue Alan Ruttenberg Anne Cregan Bernardo Cuenca Grau Bijan Parsia Boris Motik Christine Golbreich Conrad Bock Deborah McGuinness Diego Calvanese Doug Lenat Elisa Kendall Enrico Franconi Evan Wallace Evren Sirin Fabian Neuhaus Fabien Gandon Giorgos Stamou Giorgos Stoilos Héctor Pérez Urbina Ian Horrocks Ivan Herman Jeff Pan Jeremy Carroll Jie Bao Joanne Luciano Jonathan Rees Kendall Clark Markus Krötzsch Martin Dzbor Michael Sintek Michael Smith Michael Schneider Michel Dumontier Olivier Corby Pascal Hitzler Peter Haase Peter Patel-Schneider Ratnesh Sahay Rinke Hoekstra Sandro Hawke Steve Battle Suzette Stoutenburg Tommie Meyer Uli Sattler Vassilis Tzouvaras Vipul Kashyap Vit Novacek Vojtech Svatek Zhe Wu Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
Scribe problem: the name 'Carsten' does not match any of the 53 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Achille Fokoue Alan Ruttenberg Anne Cregan Bernardo Cuenca Grau Bijan Parsia Boris Motik Christine Golbreich Conrad Bock Deborah McGuinness Diego Calvanese Doug Lenat Elisa Kendall Enrico Franconi Evan Wallace Evren Sirin Fabian Neuhaus Fabien Gandon Giorgos Stamou Giorgos Stoilos Héctor Pérez Urbina Ian Horrocks Ivan Herman Jeff Pan Jeremy Carroll Jie Bao Joanne Luciano Jonathan Rees Kendall Clark Markus Krötzsch Martin Dzbor Michael Sintek Michael Smith Michael Schneider Michel Dumontier Olivier Corby Pascal Hitzler Peter Haase Peter Patel-Schneider Ratnesh Sahay Rinke Hoekstra Sandro Hawke Steve Battle Suzette Stoutenburg Tommie Meyer Uli Sattler Vassilis Tzouvaras Vipul Kashyap Vit Novacek Vojtech Svatek Zhe Wu Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
Unknown Carsten: kicked out by France as well ←
17:29:38 <Zhe> keep trying
keep trying ←
17:29:39 <JeremyCarroll> Boris redialled a few times but got back in
Jeremy Carroll: Boris redialled a few times but got back in ←
17:29:40 <IanH> Keep trying -- works eventually
Ian Horrocks: Keep trying -- works eventually ←
17:29:57 <JeremyCarroll> Zakim, mutes me
Jeremy Carroll: Zakim, mutes me ←
17:29:57 <Zakim> I don't understand 'mutes me', JeremyCarroll
Zakim IRC Bot: I don't understand 'mutes me', JeremyCarroll ←
17:30:02 <alanr> zakim, who is here?
Alan Ruttenberg: zakim, who is here? ←
17:30:02 <Zakim> On the phone I see Elisa_Kendall, JeremyCarroll, Ivan (muted), IanH, Alan, MartinD (muted), Peter_Patel-Schneider, Evan_Wallace, msmith, m_schnei (muted), Zhe, Achille, JeffP,
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see Elisa_Kendall, JeremyCarroll, Ivan (muted), IanH, Alan, MartinD (muted), Peter_Patel-Schneider, Evan_Wallace, msmith, m_schnei (muted), Zhe, Achille, JeffP, ←
17:30:02 <JeremyCarroll> Zakim, mute me
Jeremy Carroll: Zakim, mute me ←
17:30:06 <Zakim> ... bmotik
Zakim IRC Bot: ... bmotik ←
17:30:07 <Zakim> On IRC I see Carsten, Achille, uli, msmith, m_schnei, JeffP, Zhe, pfps, MartinD, ewallace, bmotik, alanr, ivan, JeremyCarroll, Elisa, RRSAgent, Zakim, Rinke, IanH, sandro,
Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see Carsten, Achille, uli, msmith, m_schnei, JeffP, Zhe, pfps, MartinD, ewallace, bmotik, alanr, ivan, JeremyCarroll, Elisa, RRSAgent, Zakim, Rinke, IanH, sandro, ←
17:30:09 <Zakim> ... trackbot-ng
Zakim IRC Bot: ... trackbot-ng ←
17:30:09 <Zakim> JeremyCarroll should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: JeremyCarroll should now be muted ←
17:30:10 <JeremyCarroll> uli
Jeremy Carroll: uli ←
17:30:23 <JeremyCarroll> Rinke Carsten
Jeremy Carroll: Rinke Carsten ←
17:30:24 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
17:30:31 <uli> I am trying to come back...
Uli Sattler: I am trying to come back... ←
17:30:41 <Rinke> me too
Rinke Hoekstra: me too ←
17:30:55 <Zhe> IanH: Jeremy said that SHOULD is the right thing to say
Ian Horrocks: Jeremy said that SHOULD is the right thing to say ←
17:31:00 <Zakim> +??P11
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P11 ←
17:31:03 <uli> ...it's occupied
Uli Sattler: ...it's occupied ←
17:31:04 <Zhe> pfps: agree with Jeremy
Peter Patel-Schneider: agree with Jeremy ←
17:31:07 <Carsten> zakim, ??p11 is me
Scribe problem: the name 'Carsten' does not match any of the 53 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Achille Fokoue Alan Ruttenberg Anne Cregan Bernardo Cuenca Grau Bijan Parsia Boris Motik Christine Golbreich Conrad Bock Deborah McGuinness Diego Calvanese Doug Lenat Elisa Kendall Enrico Franconi Evan Wallace Evren Sirin Fabian Neuhaus Fabien Gandon Giorgos Stamou Giorgos Stoilos Héctor Pérez Urbina Ian Horrocks Ivan Herman Jeff Pan Jeremy Carroll Jie Bao Joanne Luciano Jonathan Rees Kendall Clark Markus Krötzsch Martin Dzbor Michael Sintek Michael Smith Michael Schneider Michel Dumontier Olivier Corby Pascal Hitzler Peter Haase Peter Patel-Schneider Ratnesh Sahay Rinke Hoekstra Sandro Hawke Steve Battle Suzette Stoutenburg Tommie Meyer Uli Sattler Vassilis Tzouvaras Vipul Kashyap Vit Novacek Vojtech Svatek Zhe Wu Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
Scribe problem: the name 'Carsten' does not match any of the 53 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Achille Fokoue Alan Ruttenberg Anne Cregan Bernardo Cuenca Grau Bijan Parsia Boris Motik Christine Golbreich Conrad Bock Deborah McGuinness Diego Calvanese Doug Lenat Elisa Kendall Enrico Franconi Evan Wallace Evren Sirin Fabian Neuhaus Fabien Gandon Giorgos Stamou Giorgos Stoilos Héctor Pérez Urbina Ian Horrocks Ivan Herman Jeff Pan Jeremy Carroll Jie Bao Joanne Luciano Jonathan Rees Kendall Clark Markus Krötzsch Martin Dzbor Michael Sintek Michael Smith Michael Schneider Michel Dumontier Olivier Corby Pascal Hitzler Peter Haase Peter Patel-Schneider Ratnesh Sahay Rinke Hoekstra Sandro Hawke Steve Battle Suzette Stoutenburg Tommie Meyer Uli Sattler Vassilis Tzouvaras Vipul Kashyap Vit Novacek Vojtech Svatek Zhe Wu Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
Unknown Carsten: zakim, ??p11 is me ←
17:31:07 <Zakim> +Carsten; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +Carsten; got it ←
17:31:13 <Carsten> zakim, mute me
Scribe problem: the name 'Carsten' does not match any of the 53 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Achille Fokoue Alan Ruttenberg Anne Cregan Bernardo Cuenca Grau Bijan Parsia Boris Motik Christine Golbreich Conrad Bock Deborah McGuinness Diego Calvanese Doug Lenat Elisa Kendall Enrico Franconi Evan Wallace Evren Sirin Fabian Neuhaus Fabien Gandon Giorgos Stamou Giorgos Stoilos Héctor Pérez Urbina Ian Horrocks Ivan Herman Jeff Pan Jeremy Carroll Jie Bao Joanne Luciano Jonathan Rees Kendall Clark Markus Krötzsch Martin Dzbor Michael Sintek Michael Smith Michael Schneider Michel Dumontier Olivier Corby Pascal Hitzler Peter Haase Peter Patel-Schneider Ratnesh Sahay Rinke Hoekstra Sandro Hawke Steve Battle Suzette Stoutenburg Tommie Meyer Uli Sattler Vassilis Tzouvaras Vipul Kashyap Vit Novacek Vojtech Svatek Zhe Wu Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
Scribe problem: the name 'Carsten' does not match any of the 53 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Achille Fokoue Alan Ruttenberg Anne Cregan Bernardo Cuenca Grau Bijan Parsia Boris Motik Christine Golbreich Conrad Bock Deborah McGuinness Diego Calvanese Doug Lenat Elisa Kendall Enrico Franconi Evan Wallace Evren Sirin Fabian Neuhaus Fabien Gandon Giorgos Stamou Giorgos Stoilos Héctor Pérez Urbina Ian Horrocks Ivan Herman Jeff Pan Jeremy Carroll Jie Bao Joanne Luciano Jonathan Rees Kendall Clark Markus Krötzsch Martin Dzbor Michael Sintek Michael Smith Michael Schneider Michel Dumontier Olivier Corby Pascal Hitzler Peter Haase Peter Patel-Schneider Ratnesh Sahay Rinke Hoekstra Sandro Hawke Steve Battle Suzette Stoutenburg Tommie Meyer Uli Sattler Vassilis Tzouvaras Vipul Kashyap Vit Novacek Vojtech Svatek Zhe Wu Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
Unknown Carsten: zakim, mute me ←
17:31:13 <Zakim> Carsten should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: Carsten should now be muted ←
17:31:22 <bmotik> +q
Boris Motik: +q ←
17:31:26 <Zhe> pfps: happy with the way it is. Put SHOULD in to make some folks happy
Peter Patel-Schneider: happy with the way it is. Put SHOULD in to make some folks happy ←
17:31:30 <uli> ahaa
Uli Sattler: ahaa ←
17:31:36 <Zakim> +Rinke
Zakim IRC Bot: +Rinke ←
17:31:38 <Zakim> +??P13
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P13 ←
17:31:39 <Zhe> ... right now, SHOULD is not there
... right now, SHOULD is not there ←
17:31:40 <Rinke> I'm back!
Rinke Hoekstra: I'm back! ←
17:31:48 <uli> zakim, ??P13 is me
Uli Sattler: zakim, ??P13 is me ←
17:31:48 <Zakim> +uli; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +uli; got it ←
17:31:52 <ivan> :-)
Ivan Herman: :-) ←
17:31:53 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
17:31:54 <uli> zakim, mute me
Uli Sattler: zakim, mute me ←
17:31:55 <Zakim> uli should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: uli should now be muted ←
17:32:02 <IanH> ack bmotik
Ian Horrocks: ack bmotik ←
17:32:03 <pfps> q-
17:32:09 <alanr> q?
Alan Ruttenberg: q? ←
17:32:11 <alanr> q+
Alan Ruttenberg: q+ ←
17:32:12 <Rinke> Should should make me happy
Rinke Hoekstra: Should should make me happy ←
17:32:17 <Zhe> bmotik: sure. that is ok. if we can close the issue
Boris Motik: sure. that is ok. if we can close the issue ←
17:32:17 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
17:32:19 <JeremyCarroll> for me the should is quite ugly too ...
Jeremy Carroll: for me the should is quite ugly too ... ←
17:32:23 <IanH> ack alanr
Ian Horrocks: ack alanr ←
17:32:43 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
17:32:48 <alanr> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-owl-wg/2008May/0177.html
Alan Ruttenberg: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-owl-wg/2008May/0177.html ←
17:33:11 <Zhe> IanH: think it is useful. maybe we can converge and resolve it
Ian Horrocks: think it is useful. maybe we can converge and resolve it ←
17:33:15 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
17:34:52 <Zhe> alanr: think it is just editorial.
Alan Ruttenberg: think it is just editorial. ←
17:34:53 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
17:35:17 <Zhe> ... owl:incompatibleWith, shall we discuss it as a separate issue?
... owl:incompatibleWith, shall we discuss it as a separate issue? ←
17:35:57 <m_schnei> currently, AFAIU, all ontology properties are treated as annotations, in particular owl:incompatibleWith
Michael Schneider: currently, AFAIU, all ontology properties are treated as annotations, in particular owl:incompatibleWith ←
17:36:16 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
17:36:16 <Zhe> IanH: it is semantic free
Ian Horrocks: it is semantic free ←
17:36:34 <Zhe> alanr: it carries some weight on what people think their tools should do
Alan Ruttenberg: it carries some weight on what people think their tools should do ←
17:37:03 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
17:37:05 <bmotik> q+
Boris Motik: q+ ←
17:37:05 <alanr> http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc2119.txt
Alan Ruttenberg: http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc2119.txt ←
17:37:06 <Rinke> +1 to IanH on explaining the SHOULDs, MAYs and MUSTs
Rinke Hoekstra: +1 to IanH on explaining the SHOULDs, MAYs and MUSTs ←
17:37:07 <Zhe> IanH: like to have some text clarifying "SHOULD"
Ian Horrocks: like to have some text clarifying "SHOULD" ←
17:37:18 <JeremyCarroll> q+
Jeremy Carroll: q+ ←
17:37:20 <uli> perhaps we can have a brief explanation that explain why this "should"
Uli Sattler: perhaps we can have a brief explanation that explain why this "should" ←
17:37:22 <Zhe> ... at least add a pointer.
... at least add a pointer. ←
17:37:32 <JeremyCarroll> zakim, unmute me
Jeremy Carroll: zakim, unmute me ←
17:37:32 <Zakim> JeremyCarroll should no longer be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: JeremyCarroll should no longer be muted ←
17:37:39 <alanr> q?
Alan Ruttenberg: q? ←
17:37:39 <uli> e.g., that different version could lead to inconsistencies
Uli Sattler: e.g., that different version could lead to inconsistencies ←
17:37:40 <m_schnei> distinguishing between model-theoretic "reasoning" semantics, and "usage" semantics
Michael Schneider: distinguishing between model-theoretic "reasoning" semantics, and "usage" semantics ←
17:37:44 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
17:38:16 <Zhe> bmotik: I changed the text. took out the offending paragraph. add "SHOULD NOT"...
Boris Motik: I changed the text. took out the offending paragraph. add "SHOULD NOT"... ←
17:38:26 <Zhe> ... hope it solves the problem
... hope it solves the problem ←
17:38:56 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
17:38:58 <bmotik> +q
Boris Motik: +q ←
17:38:59 <Zhe> Jeremy: IanH raised a good point that SHOULD is advisory
Jeremy Carroll: IanH raised a good point that SHOULD is advisory ←
17:39:06 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
17:39:20 <bmotik> q-
Boris Motik: q- ←
17:39:21 <bmotik> q+
Boris Motik: q+ ←
17:39:35 <alanr> but why should we say anything about what happens when you don't do a SHOULD
Alan Ruttenberg: but why should we say anything about what happens when you don't do a SHOULD ←
17:39:39 <alanr> q+
Alan Ruttenberg: q+ ←
17:39:58 <JeremyCarroll> q-
Jeremy Carroll: q- ←
17:40:01 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
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17:40:21 <Zhe> bmotik: for SHOULD, MAY, ..., there is a disclaimer at the beginning
Boris Motik: for SHOULD, MAY, ..., there is a disclaimer at the beginning ←
17:40:30 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
17:40:36 <IanH> ack bmotik
Ian Horrocks: ack bmotik ←
17:40:39 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
17:40:45 <alanr> nono not suggesting that!
Alan Ruttenberg: nono not suggesting that! ←
17:40:56 <Zhe> ... against chaning model theory for incompatibleWith
... against chaning model theory for incompatibleWith ←
17:41:10 <alanr> yes!
Alan Ruttenberg: yes! ←
17:41:14 <Rinke> that would be great
Rinke Hoekstra: that would be great ←
17:41:14 <m_schnei> i would also be against giving a model-theoretic semantics to owl:incompatibleWith
Michael Schneider: i would also be against giving a model-theoretic semantics to owl:incompatibleWith ←
17:41:20 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
17:41:31 <pfps> +1 to boris's suggestion
Peter Patel-Schneider: +1 to boris's suggestion ←
17:41:32 <IanH> ack alanr
Ian Horrocks: ack alanr ←
17:41:37 <Zhe> alanr: don't want to change semantics as well
Alan Ruttenberg: don't want to change semantics as well ←
17:41:53 <m_schnei> (but in OWL Full, this property of course *has* a model-theoretic semantics ;-))
Michael Schneider: (but in OWL Full, this property of course *has* a model-theoretic semantics ;-)) ←
17:42:32 <Zhe> bmotik: prefer lower case and do a review. Later, change systematically
Boris Motik: prefer lower case and do a review. Later, change systematically ←
17:42:39 <JeremyCarroll> I prefer that 'should' doesn't occur except as SHOULD
Jeremy Carroll: I prefer that 'should' doesn't occur except as SHOULD ←
17:42:47 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
17:42:52 <Rinke> +1 to JeremyCarroll
Rinke Hoekstra: +1 to JeremyCarroll ←
17:42:59 <ewallace> If we know we mean SHOULD now lets say it
Evan Wallace: If we know we mean SHOULD now lets say it ←
17:43:20 <JeremyCarroll> q+
Jeremy Carroll: q+ ←
17:43:22 <alanr> use
Alan Ruttenberg: use ←
17:43:25 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
17:43:25 <alanr> ought
Alan Ruttenberg: ought ←
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17:43:35 <alanr> s/should/ought/
17:43:42 <alanr> +1
Alan Ruttenberg: +1 ←
17:43:44 <Zhe> JeremyCarrol: you can always rephrase "should"
Jeremy Carroll: you can always rephrase "should" ←
17:43:58 <Zhe> ... make things simple for the readers
... make things simple for the readers ←
17:44:46 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
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17:45:23 <Zhe> IanH: we all in agreement now?
Ian Horrocks: we all in agreement now? ←
17:45:25 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
17:45:42 <JeremyCarroll> q-
Jeremy Carroll: q- ←
17:45:46 <Zhe> alanr: bmotik, are you going to put something similar for incompatibleWith?
Alan Ruttenberg: bmotik, are you going to put something similar for incompatibleWith? ←
17:46:30 <pfps> +1 to taking a vote :-)
Peter Patel-Schneider: +1 to taking a vote :-) ←
17:46:37 <Rinke> +1 to vote
Rinke Hoekstra: +1 to vote ←
17:47:14 <uli> ...and in this case?
Uli Sattler: ...and in this case? ←
17:47:20 <uli> me too!
Uli Sattler: me too! ←
17:47:27 <Zhe> IanH: are we voting on should => SHOULD,
Ian Horrocks: are we voting on should => SHOULD, ←
17:47:33 <Zhe> ... or incompatibleWith?
... or incompatibleWith? ←
17:47:42 <alanr> resolve SHOULD NOT import multiple ontologies or owlIncompatibleWith
Alan Ruttenberg: resolve SHOULD NOT import multiple ontologies or owlIncompatibleWith ←
17:47:43 <Rinke> I suggest we vote on the issues first
Rinke Hoekstra: I suggest we vote on the issues first ←
17:47:59 <JeremyCarroll> +1 to caps or something
Jeremy Carroll: +1 to caps or something ←
17:48:13 <ewallace> +1 to caps
Evan Wallace: +1 to caps ←
17:49:12 <IanH> PROPOSED: spec should state that an ontology SHOULD not import two incompatible versions
PROPOSED: spec should state that an ontology SHOULD NOT import two incompatible versions ←
17:49:22 <Rinke> We have two official issues, let's vote on them separately.
Rinke Hoekstra: We have two official issues, let's vote on them separately. ←
17:49:25 <pfps> s/SHOULD not/SHOULD NOT/
17:49:34 <m_schnei> +1 to SHOULD NOT
Michael Schneider: +1 to SHOULD NOT ←
17:49:43 <Rinke> This is to resolve ISSUE-24 right?
Rinke Hoekstra: This is to resolve ISSUE-24 right? ←
17:49:45 <bmotik> Proposed text: Furthermore, O should not import an ontology O' with a version URI vu if O contains an ontology annotation owl:incompatibleWith with the value vu.
Boris Motik: Proposed text: Furthermore, O should not import an ontology O' with a version URI vu if O contains an ontology annotation owl:incompatibleWith with the value vu. ←
17:49:58 <JeremyCarroll> +0 to proposal
Jeremy Carroll: +0 to proposal ←
17:50:38 <IanH> ROPOSED: spec should state that an ontology SHOULD NOT q?
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17:50:43 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
17:51:00 <Zhe> IanH: getting too much details in wording
Ian Horrocks: getting too much details in wording ←
17:51:08 <ivan> +1 to Ian
Ivan Herman: +1 to Ian ←
17:51:10 <Carsten> +1
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Unknown Carsten: +1 ←
17:51:12 <Zhe> ... it would be better if you guys figure this out precisely offline
... it would be better if you guys figure this out precisely offline ←
17:51:15 <Zhe> +1
+1 ←
17:51:15 <uli> +1
Uli Sattler: +1 ←
17:51:16 <JeffP> +1 Ian
17:51:18 <alanr> +1
Alan Ruttenberg: +1 ←
17:51:23 <m_schnei> +1, this is a wording issue
Michael Schneider: +1, this is a wording issue ←
17:51:35 <ewallace> +1 on narrowly wordsmithing this res offline
Evan Wallace: +1 on narrowly wordsmithing this res offline ←
17:52:09 <JeffP> action?
17:52:10 <Zhe> IanH: enough discussion on this issue. come back next week
Ian Horrocks: enough discussion on this issue. come back next week ←
17:52:24 <m_schnei> do we want an action on this?
Michael Schneider: do we want an action on this? ←
17:52:35 <Zhe> Issue 124 (newly open) The complement of a datarange is defined relative to the whole data domain
ISSUE-124 (newly open) The complement of a datarange is defined relative to the whole data domain ←
17:53:02 <Zhe> alanr: consensus is this is how things are.
Alan Ruttenberg: consensus is this is how things are. ←
17:53:07 <m_schnei> q+
Michael Schneider: q+ ←
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17:53:17 <alanr> ack m_schnei
Alan Ruttenberg: ack m_schnei ←
17:53:35 <Zhe> m_schnei: bmotik's comments are valid. The only thing is
Michael Schneider: bmotik's comments are valid. The only thing is ←
17:53:43 <m_schnei> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-owl-wg/2008May/0018.html
Michael Schneider: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-owl-wg/2008May/0018.html ←
17:54:02 <bmotik> +q
Boris Motik: +q ←
17:54:03 <Zhe> ... we could have this thing in the primer.
... we could have this thing in the primer. ←
17:54:27 <Zhe> ... suspect people will ask how to do complement on just the data type
... suspect people will ask how to do complement on just the data type ←
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17:54:41 <alanr> PROPOSED: The complement of a datarange is defined relative to the whole data domain (close as resolved issue 124)
PROPOSED: The complement of a datarange is defined relative to the whole data domain (close as resolved ISSUE-124) ←
17:54:41 <bmotik> -q
Boris Motik: -q ←
17:54:50 <JeremyCarroll> q+
Jeremy Carroll: q+ ←
17:54:50 <m_schnei> zakim, unmute me
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17:54:50 <alanr> q?
Alan Ruttenberg: q? ←
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17:55:31 <Zhe> alanr: m_schnei can put a comment in the primer
Alan Ruttenberg: m_schnei can put a comment in the primer ←
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17:56:06 <m_schnei> q+
Michael Schneider: q+ ←
17:56:10 <uli> q+
Uli Sattler: q+ ←
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17:56:15 <ewallace> Need to advise users about this somewhere.
Evan Wallace: Need to advise users about this somewhere. ←
17:56:19 <Zhe> JeremyCarroll: for OWL2 FULL, complementOf should be on the data type.
Jeremy Carroll: for OWL2 FULL, complementOf should be on the data type. ←
17:56:28 <alanr> ack JeremyCarroll
Alan Ruttenberg: ack JeremyCarroll ←
17:56:35 <alanr> ack m_schnei
Alan Ruttenberg: ack m_schnei ←
17:56:56 <m_schnei> zakim, mute me
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17:57:00 <alanr> ack uli
Alan Ruttenberg: ack uli ←
17:57:02 <uli> zakim, ack me
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17:57:02 <Zakim> I see no one on the speaker queue
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17:57:04 <Zhe> m_schnei. in owl full, if you take complement of xsd:integer, then you get owl:Thing minus xsd:integer
m_schnei. in owl full, if you take complement of xsd:integer, then you get owl:Thing minus xsd:integer ←
17:57:17 <bmotik> q+
Boris Motik: q+ ←
17:57:23 <Zhe> uli: this piece of advice perhaps is too detailed for primer
Uli Sattler: this piece of advice perhaps is too detailed for primer ←
17:57:39 <m_schnei> my example would be the same in OWL Full
Michael Schneider: my example would be the same in OWL Full ←
17:57:40 <Zhe> ... should go somewhere indeed
... should go somewhere indeed ←
17:57:43 <alanr> cookbook ;-)
Alan Ruttenberg: cookbook ;-) ←
17:57:48 <ivan> +1000 to Uli
Ivan Herman: +1000 to Uli ←
17:58:00 <ivan> wiki
Ivan Herman: wiki ←
17:58:04 <alanr> q?
Alan Ruttenberg: q? ←
17:58:11 <alanr> ack bmotik
Alan Ruttenberg: ack bmotik ←
17:58:12 <uli> zakim, mute me
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17:58:13 <JeremyCarroll> q+
Jeremy Carroll: q+ ←
17:58:25 <JeremyCarroll> _:x rdf:type rdfs:Datatype
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17:58:25 <JeremyCarroll> _:x owl:complementOf T(DR)
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17:58:30 <alanr> q+
Alan Ruttenberg: q+ ←
17:58:45 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
17:58:50 <alanr> ack JeremyCarroll
Alan Ruttenberg: ack JeremyCarroll ←
17:59:34 <Zhe> scribenick: Zhe
17:59:35 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
17:59:42 <IanH> q+
Ian Horrocks: q+ ←
18:00:13 <IanH> q-
Ian Horrocks: q- ←
18:00:20 <alanr> q-
Alan Ruttenberg: q- ←
18:00:24 <JeremyCarroll> (I am leaving now ... bye)
Jeremy Carroll: (I am leaving now ... bye) ←
18:00:25 <Zhe> alanr: time is past. let us continue on email
Alan Ruttenberg: time is past. let us continue on email ←
18:00:35 <ewallace> Bye JJC
Evan Wallace: Bye JJC ←
18:00:35 <Zakim> -JeremyCarroll
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18:00:50 <Zhe> Issue easy keys
Issue easy keys ←
18:01:20 <Zhe> alanr: just to check we are on the same page on easy keys
Alan Ruttenberg: just to check we are on the same page on easy keys ←
18:01:43 <Zhe> ... both easy keys/top bottom added to spec, with formal addition to language based on vote
... both easy keys/top bottom added to spec, with formal addition to language based on vote ←
18:01:59 <pfps> q+
18:02:09 <Zhe> ... can we do a straw poll
... can we do a straw poll ←
18:02:11 <alanr> ack pfps
Alan Ruttenberg: ack pfps ←
18:02:28 <Zhe> pfps: don't think your description match minutes
Peter Patel-Schneider: don't think your description match minutes ←
18:03:25 <Zhe> pfps: the straw poll working in the minutes does not mention documentation change
Peter Patel-Schneider: the straw poll wording in the minutes does not mention documentation change ←
18:03:28 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
18:03:29 <pfps> the straw poll in the minutes does not mention document changes at all
Peter Patel-Schneider: the straw poll in the minutes does not mention document changes at all ←
18:03:33 <IanH> q+
Ian Horrocks: q+ ←
18:03:40 <alanr> ack ianH
Alan Ruttenberg: ack ianH ←
18:03:42 <Zhe> s/working/wording/
18:03:44 <IanH> zakim, unmute me
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18:03:44 <Zakim> IanH was not muted, IanH
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18:03:45 <m_schnei> lets have to distinct polls
Michael Schneider: lets have to distinct polls ←
18:03:58 <Rinke> That's issue-112
Rinke Hoekstra: That's ISSUE-112 ←
18:03:58 <Zhe> IanH: one question on top/bottom, do we agree on the name?
Ian Horrocks: one question on top/bottom, do we agree on the name? ←
18:04:00 <Zhe> not
not ←
18:04:02 <Zhe> alanr: not
Alan Ruttenberg: not ←
18:04:06 <Rinke> (names, I mean)
Rinke Hoekstra: (names, I mean) ←
18:04:26 <bmotik> +q
Boris Motik: +q ←
18:04:39 <alanr> ack bmotik
Alan Ruttenberg: ack bmotik ←
18:04:40 <Zhe> alanr: add them as top and bottom,
Alan Ruttenberg: add them as top and bottom, ←
18:04:46 <Zhe> ... and an editorial note
... and an editorial note ←
18:05:05 <Zhe> bmotik: implementing universal role is hard
Boris Motik: implementing universal role is hard ←
18:05:16 <Zhe> ... not convinced it is "easy"
... not convinced it is "easy" ←
18:05:25 <Zhe> ... like to keep it separate from easy keys
... like to keep it separate from easy keys ←
18:05:31 <Zhe> alanr: where do we stand on easy keys?
Alan Ruttenberg: where do we stand on easy keys? ←
18:05:34 <pfps> q+
18:05:46 <m_schnei> q+
Michael Schneider: q+ ←
18:05:49 <alanr> ack pfps
Alan Ruttenberg: ack pfps ←
18:05:53 <Zhe> ... should we add easy key?
... should we add easy key? ←
18:06:05 <Zhe> pfps: not aware of implementation of easy keys
Peter Patel-Schneider: not aware of implementation of easy keys ←
18:06:16 <m_schnei> zakim, unmute me
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18:06:16 <Zakim> m_schnei should no longer be muted
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18:06:19 <ivan> q+
Ivan Herman: q+ ←
18:06:20 <alanr> ack m_schnei
Alan Ruttenberg: ack m_schnei ←
18:06:57 <Zhe> m_schnei: missing major stakeholders, defer?
Michael Schneider: missing major stakeholders, defer? ←
18:07:08 <pfps> so I feel that the documents should mention that easy keys may be yanked if implementations are not produced
Peter Patel-Schneider: so I feel that the documents should mention that easy keys may be yanked if implementations are not produced ←
18:07:15 <m_schnei> zakim, mute me
Michael Schneider: zakim, mute me ←
18:07:15 <Zakim> m_schnei should now be muted
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18:07:18 <alanr> ack ivan
Alan Ruttenberg: ack ivan ←
18:07:18 <bmotik> +q
Boris Motik: +q ←
18:07:21 <alanr> q?
Alan Ruttenberg: q? ←
18:07:23 <Zhe> alanr: my sense that majority of this WG are stakeholders and they are for it
Alan Ruttenberg: my sense that majority of this WG are stakeholders and they are for it ←
18:07:41 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
18:07:43 <pfps> q+
18:07:48 <alanr> ack bmotik
Alan Ruttenberg: ack bmotik ←
18:08:20 <pfps> q-
18:08:30 <Zhe> bmotik: thinking about implementing easy keys. not trivial, should not be impossible
Boris Motik: thinking about implementing easy keys. not trivial, should not be impossible ←
18:08:42 <Zhe> ... should have larger scale evaluation,
... should have larger scale evaluation, ←
18:09:05 <pfps> agree with Boris that implementation situation wrt easy keys is different from the vast bulk of OWL 2
Peter Patel-Schneider: agree with Boris that implementation situation wrt easy keys is different from the vast bulk of OWL 2 ←
18:09:11 <Zhe> alanr: we should have general discussion on these next week
Alan Ruttenberg: we should have general discussion on these next week ←
18:09:21 <Zhe> issue 109: What is the namespace for elements and attributes in the XML serialization
ISSUE-109: What is the namespace for elements and attributes in the XML serialization ←
18:09:36 <Zhe> alanr: 1) namespace itself
Alan Ruttenberg: 1) namespace itself ←
18:09:44 <Zhe> ... 2) should we reuse the same namespace
... 2) should we reuse the same namespace ←
18:10:13 <IanH> Sorry, but I have to leave now.
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18:10:19 <alanr> bye ian
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18:10:29 <Zhe> ivan: namespace in terms of XML, and namespace used in RDF/OWL are very different
Ivan Herman: namespace in terms of XML, and namespace used in RDF/OWL are very different ←
18:10:33 <alanr> q?
Alan Ruttenberg: q? ←
18:10:34 <JeffP> bye Ian
18:10:36 <Zhe> ... in favor of two different namespaces
... in favor of two different namespaces ←
18:11:01 <Rinke> +1 to ivan
Rinke Hoekstra: +1 to ivan ←
18:11:03 <Zhe> ... to avoid problems for OWL/XML
... to avoid problems for OWL/XML ←
18:11:04 <bmotik> +1
Boris Motik: +1 ←
18:11:12 <alanr> 1. http://www.w3.org/ns/owl2-xml
Alan Ruttenberg: 1. http://www.w3.org/ns/owl2-xml ←
18:11:12 <alanr> 2. http://www.w3.org/ns/owl-xml
Alan Ruttenberg: 2. http://www.w3.org/ns/owl-xml ←
18:11:13 <alanr> 3. http://www.w3.org/2008/owl-xml
Alan Ruttenberg: 3. http://www.w3.org/2008/owl-xml ←
18:11:13 <alanr> 4. http://www.w3.org/2008/owl
Alan Ruttenberg: 4. http://www.w3.org/2008/owl ←
18:11:17 <m_schnei> +1 to ivan: different things want different URIs
Michael Schneider: +1 to ivan: different things want different URIs ←
18:11:22 <pfps> I don't see any problems with sharing, but I really don't care
Peter Patel-Schneider: I don't see any problems with sharing, but I really don't care ←
18:11:57 <Zhe> ivan: we decided to use owl namespace for the whole thing. so 1) is ruled out
Ivan Herman: we decided to use owl namespace for the whole thing. so 1) is ruled out ←
18:12:06 <Rinke> prefer 'xml' to be in there
Rinke Hoekstra: prefer 'xml' to be in there ←
18:12:07 <Zhe> ... don't care other three
... don't care other three ←
18:12:12 <Zhe> alanr: suggest 3)
Alan Ruttenberg: suggest 3) ←
18:12:18 <uli> I guess Bijan has, but he isn't here today
Uli Sattler: I guess Bijan has, but he isn't here today ←
18:12:25 <Zhe> ... year there give us possibltiy to evolve
... year there give us possibltiy to evolve ←
18:12:39 <Rinke> but history shows that we don't evolve
Rinke Hoekstra: but history shows that we don't evolve ←
18:12:43 <uli> q+
Uli Sattler: q+ ←
18:12:52 <uli> zakim, unmute me
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18:12:59 <alanr> straw poll : how about http://www.w3.org/2008/owl-xml for the OWL-XML namespace
Alan Ruttenberg: straw poll : how about http://www.w3.org/2008/owl-xml for the OWL-XML namespace ←
18:13:13 <Zhe> uli: just curious to hear what problems will come up if we only have one namespace
Uli Sattler: just curious to hear what problems will come up if we only have one namespace ←
18:13:47 <Zhe> ivan: there are lots of discussion in XML world of what exactly the semantics of namespace is
Ivan Herman: there are lots of discussion in XML world of what exactly the semantics of namespace is ←
18:13:47 <alanr> q?
Alan Ruttenberg: q? ←
18:13:51 <alanr> ack uli
Alan Ruttenberg: ack uli ←
18:13:59 <Rinke> sidenote: the owl namespace has a month in it as well
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18:14:03 <Zhe> ... a word of caution is not to mix up things
... a word of caution is not to mix up things ←
18:14:21 <Zhe> uli: then it seems like something we should not decide. need more info
Uli Sattler: then it seems like something we should not decide. need more info ←
18:14:31 <uli> zakim, mute me
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18:14:32 <Rinke> e.g. http://www.w3.org/2002/07/owl# and http://www.w3.org/2006/12/owl2-xml# currently in the syntax spec
Rinke Hoekstra: e.g. http://www.w3.org/2002/07/owl# and http://www.w3.org/2006/12/owl2-xml# currently in the syntax spec ←
18:14:42 <Zhe> ivan: why it is a big problem to separate the two?
Ivan Herman: why it is a big problem to separate the two? ←
18:16:14 <Rinke> Ivan is right wrt the hash mark
Rinke Hoekstra: Ivan is right wrt the hash mark ←
18:16:49 <Zhe> ivan: if we decide to have a different one. I don't care which
Ivan Herman: if we decide to have a different one. I don't care which ←
18:16:52 <m_schnei> people will click on the XML URI, and will expect to get to something related to the XML, not related to OWL in general
Michael Schneider: people will click on the XML URI, and will expect to get to something related to the XML, not related to OWL in general ←
18:16:53 <alanr> straw poll : how about http://www.w3.org/2008/owl-xml for the OWL-XML namespace
Alan Ruttenberg: straw poll : how about http://www.w3.org/2008/owl-xml for the OWL-XML namespace ←
18:16:55 <uli> I think Bijan could be one
Uli Sattler: I think Bijan could be one ←
18:17:02 <uli> ok ok
Uli Sattler: ok ok ←
18:17:13 <uli> 0
Uli Sattler: 0 ←
18:17:17 <alanr> 1
Alan Ruttenberg: 1 ←
18:17:18 <Zhe> 0
0 ←
18:17:20 <Achille> 0
Achille Fokoue: 0 ←
18:17:21 <bmotik> 0
Boris Motik: 0 ←
18:17:22 <m_schnei> +1 to have distinct URIs
Michael Schneider: +1 to have distinct URIs ←
18:17:23 <pfps> 0
18:17:24 <msmith> +1
Michael Smith: +1 ←
18:17:26 <ivan> I have a slight preference for alt. 2
Ivan Herman: I have a slight preference for alt. 2 ←
18:17:28 <JeffP> 0
18:17:30 <Rinke> +0.5 the separate namespace is fine, but I think Sandro 'd like a month in there
Rinke Hoekstra: +0.5 the separate namespace is fine, but I think Sandro 'd like a month in there ←
18:17:34 <Carsten> 0
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18:17:46 <ewallace> +1 for URI 3 for now
Evan Wallace: +1 for URI 3 for now ←
18:18:37 <Zhe> alanr: issue 112 What name to give to Universal Property
Alan Ruttenberg: ISSUE-112 What name to give to Universal Property ←
18:18:50 <bmotik> q+
Boris Motik: q+ ←
18:18:51 <uli> but this is related to the discussion before and thus deferred?
Uli Sattler: but this is related to the discussion before and thus deferred? ←
18:18:52 <Rinke> ... but what if we won't have a UP?
Rinke Hoekstra: ... but what if we won't have a UP? ←
18:19:01 <Zhe> ... consensus: not trying meaningful name
... consensus: not trying meaningful name ←
18:19:10 <bmotik> q-
Boris Motik: q- ←
18:19:17 <m_schnei> zakim, unmute me
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18:19:19 <uli> ...108?
Uli Sattler: ...108? ←
18:19:22 <Zhe> Issue 104 disallowed vocabulary OWL 1.1 DL does not have a disallowed vocabulary
ISSUE-104 disallowed vocabulary OWL 1.1 DL does not have a disallowed vocabulary ←
18:19:33 <bmotik> q+
Boris Motik: q+ ←
18:19:35 <Zhe> m_schnei: in old OWL SPEC,
Michael Schneider: in old OWL SPEC, ←
18:19:43 <Zhe> ... have disallowed vocabulary.
... have disallowed vocabulary. ←
18:20:14 <Zhe> ... in the new RDF mapping, don't have something similar
... in the new RDF mapping, don't have something similar ←
18:20:42 <alanr> ack bmotik
Alan Ruttenberg: ack bmotik ←
18:20:43 <m_schnei> zakim, mute me
Michael Schneider: zakim, mute me ←
18:20:44 <Zakim> m_schnei should now be muted
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18:20:48 <Zhe> ... e.g. having rdf:List is allowed in the new spec
... e.g. having rdf:List is allowed in the new spec ←
18:20:54 <Zhe> ... but not in the old spec
... but not in the old spec ←
18:21:40 <ivan> must not ...
Ivan Herman: must not ... ←
18:21:45 <alanr> MUST NO
Alan Ruttenberg: MUST NO ←
18:21:48 <alanr> MUST NOT
Alan Ruttenberg: MUST NOT ←
18:21:59 <m_schnei> q+
Michael Schneider: q+ ←
18:22:16 <ivan> q+
Ivan Herman: q+ ←
18:22:55 <m_schnei> zakim, unmute me
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18:22:56 <alanr> ack m_schnei
Alan Ruttenberg: ack m_schnei ←
18:23:03 <Zhe> need scribe help, Boris
need scribe help, Boris ←
18:23:26 <Zhe> bmotik: don't think this belong to the mapping document.
Boris Motik: don't think this belong to the mapping document. ←
18:23:34 <Zhe> ... in section 2.2.of FS
... in section 2.2.of FS ←
18:23:34 <m_schnei> zakim, mute me
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18:23:34 <Zakim> m_schnei should now be muted
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18:23:36 <alanr> ack ivan
Alan Ruttenberg: ack ivan ←
18:24:16 <Zhe> ivan: boris, fully agree. OWL/XML namespace should not have any new terms. it is irrelevant
Ivan Herman: boris, fully agree. OWL/XML namespace should not have any new terms. it is irrelevant ←
18:24:40 <Zhe> bmotik: it does have elements from OWL/XMl schema
Boris Motik: it does have elements from OWL/XMl schema ←
18:25:00 <Zhe> ... will change it after tele conf
... will change it after tele conf ←
18:25:27 <alanr> q?
Alan Ruttenberg: q? ←
18:25:54 <Zhe> msmith: on tests
Michael Smith: on tests ←
18:26:22 <Zhe> ... make progress next week (before next F2F)
... make progress next week (before next F2F) ←
18:26:37 <Zhe> ... willing to be aggregation point
... willing to be aggregation point ←
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18:26:53 <Rinke> thanks
Rinke Hoekstra: thanks ←
18:26:53 <JeffP> bye
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18:26:55 <uli> bye bye
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18:26:57 <ivan> zakim, drop me
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