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16:54:18 <RRSAgent> logging to http://www.w3.org/2008/04/30-owl-irc
RRSAgent IRC Bot: logging to http://www.w3.org/2008/04/30-owl-irc ←
16:57:03 <IanH> zakim, who is here?
Ian Horrocks: zakim, who is here? ←
16:57:03 <Zakim> sorry, IanH, I don't know what conference this is
Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, IanH, I don't know what conference this is ←
16:57:05 <Zakim> On IRC I see alanr, RRSAgent, Zakim, Ratnesh, Ivan, IanH, MartinD, JeremyCarroll, pfps, Carsten, trackbot-ng, sandro, ewallace
Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see alanr, RRSAgent, Zakim, Ratnesh, Ivan, IanH, MartinD, JeremyCarroll, pfps, Carsten, trackbot-ng, sandro, ewallace ←
16:58:24 <IanH> zakim, this is OWL
Ian Horrocks: zakim, this is OWL ←
16:58:24 <Zakim> ok, IanH; that matches SW_OWL()12:00PM
Zakim IRC Bot: ok, IanH; that matches SW_OWL()12:00PM ←
16:58:32 <bmotik> Zakim, who is on call?
Boris Motik: Zakim, who is on call? ←
16:58:32 <Zakim> I don't understand your question, bmotik.
Zakim IRC Bot: I don't understand your question, bmotik. ←
16:58:32 <IanH> zakim, who is here?
Ian Horrocks: zakim, who is here? ←
16:58:33 <Zakim> On the phone I see IanH, ??P8
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see IanH, ??P8 ←
16:58:34 <Zakim> On IRC I see bcuencagrau, bmotik, alanr, RRSAgent, Zakim, Ratnesh, Ivan, IanH, MartinD, JeremyCarroll, pfps, Carsten, trackbot-ng, sandro, ewallace
Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see bcuencagrau, bmotik, alanr, RRSAgent, Zakim, Ratnesh, Ivan, IanH, MartinD, JeremyCarroll, pfps, Carsten, trackbot-ng, sandro, ewallace ←
16:58:48 <bmotik> Zakim, ??P8 is me
Boris Motik: Zakim, ??P8 is me ←
16:58:48 <Zakim> +bmotik; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +bmotik; got it ←
16:58:51 <bmotik> Zakim, mute me
Boris Motik: Zakim, mute me ←
16:58:51 <Zakim> bmotik should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: bmotik should now be muted ←
16:59:00 <Zakim> +??P10
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P10 ←
16:59:01 <Zakim> +MartinD
Zakim IRC Bot: +MartinD ←
16:59:01 <Zakim> +pfps
Zakim IRC Bot: +pfps ←
16:59:05 <bcuencagrau> Zakim, ??P8 is me
Bernardo Cuenca Grau: Zakim, ??P8 is me ←
16:59:05 <Zakim> I already had ??P8 as bmotik, bcuencagrau
Zakim IRC Bot: I already had ??P8 as bmotik, bcuencagrau ←
16:59:11 <MartinD> zakim, mute me
Martin Dzbor: zakim, mute me ←
16:59:11 <Zakim> MartinD should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: MartinD should now be muted ←
16:59:15 <bcuencagrau> Zakim, ??P10 is me
Bernardo Cuenca Grau: Zakim, ??P10 is me ←
16:59:15 <Zakim> +bcuencagrau; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +bcuencagrau; got it ←
16:59:26 <bcuencagrau> Zakim, mute me
Bernardo Cuenca Grau: Zakim, mute me ←
16:59:26 <Zakim> bcuencagrau should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: bcuencagrau should now be muted ←
16:59:49 <Zakim> +Carsten
Zakim IRC Bot: +Carsten ←
17:00:03 <Zakim> +??P14
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P14 ←
17:00:41 <Zakim> +??P15
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P15 ←
17:00:54 <uli> zakim, ??15 is me
Uli Sattler: zakim, ??15 is me ←
17:00:54 <Zakim> sorry, uli, I do not recognize a party named '??15'
Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, uli, I do not recognize a party named '??15' ←
17:01:00 <Zakim> +Alan
Zakim IRC Bot: +Alan ←
17:01:03 <uli> zakim, ??P15 is me
Uli Sattler: zakim, ??P15 is me ←
17:01:03 <Zakim> +uli; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +uli; got it ←
17:01:06 <JeremyCarroll> zakim, ??P14 is me
Jeremy Carroll: zakim, ??P14 is me ←
17:01:06 <Zakim> +JeremyCarroll; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +JeremyCarroll; got it ←
17:01:23 <Carsten> Can somebody (who knows how) pls make me the scribe?
Scribe problem: the name 'Carsten' does not match any of the 53 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Achille Fokoue Alan Ruttenberg Anne Cregan Bernardo Cuenca Grau Bijan Parsia Boris Motik Christine Golbreich Conrad Bock Deborah McGuinness Diego Calvanese Doug Lenat Elisa Kendall Enrico Franconi Evan Wallace Evren Sirin Fabian Neuhaus Fabien Gandon Giorgos Stamou Giorgos Stoilos Héctor Pérez Urbina Ian Horrocks Ivan Herman Jeff Pan Jeremy Carroll Jie Bao Joanne Luciano Jonathan Rees Kendall Clark Markus Krötzsch Martin Dzbor Michael Sintek Michael Smith Michael Schneider Michel Dumontier Olivier Corby Pascal Hitzler Peter Haase Peter Patel-Schneider Ratnesh Sahay Rinke Hoekstra Sandro Hawke Steve Battle Suzette Stoutenburg Tommie Meyer Uli Sattler Vassilis Tzouvaras Vipul Kashyap Vit Novacek Vojtech Svatek Zhe Wu Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
Scribe problem: the name 'Carsten' does not match any of the 53 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Achille Fokoue Alan Ruttenberg Anne Cregan Bernardo Cuenca Grau Bijan Parsia Boris Motik Christine Golbreich Conrad Bock Deborah McGuinness Diego Calvanese Doug Lenat Elisa Kendall Enrico Franconi Evan Wallace Evren Sirin Fabian Neuhaus Fabien Gandon Giorgos Stamou Giorgos Stoilos Héctor Pérez Urbina Ian Horrocks Ivan Herman Jeff Pan Jeremy Carroll Jie Bao Joanne Luciano Jonathan Rees Kendall Clark Markus Krötzsch Martin Dzbor Michael Sintek Michael Smith Michael Schneider Michel Dumontier Olivier Corby Pascal Hitzler Peter Haase Peter Patel-Schneider Ratnesh Sahay Rinke Hoekstra Sandro Hawke Steve Battle Suzette Stoutenburg Tommie Meyer Uli Sattler Vassilis Tzouvaras Vipul Kashyap Vit Novacek Vojtech Svatek Zhe Wu Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
Unknown Carsten: Can somebody (who knows how) pls make me the scribe? ←
17:01:25 <Zakim> +??P18
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P18 ←
17:01:27 <JeremyCarroll> q-
Jeremy Carroll: q- ←
17:01:35 <alanr> q?
Alan Ruttenberg: q? ←
17:01:42 <uli> zakim, mute me
Uli Sattler: zakim, mute me ←
17:01:42 <Zakim> uli should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: uli should now be muted ←
17:01:46 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
17:01:50 <Ivan> zakim, dial ivan-voip
Ivan Herman: zakim, dial ivan-voip ←
17:01:50 <Zakim> ok, Ivan; the call is being made
Zakim IRC Bot: ok, Ivan; the call is being made ←
17:01:52 <Zakim> +Ivan
Zakim IRC Bot: +Ivan ←
17:01:52 <IanH> zakim, who is here?
Ian Horrocks: zakim, who is here? ←
17:01:52 <Zakim> On the phone I see IanH, bmotik (muted), bcuencagrau (muted), MartinD (muted), pfps (muted), Carsten, JeremyCarroll, uli (muted), Alan, ??P18, Ivan (muted)
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see IanH, bmotik (muted), bcuencagrau (muted), MartinD (muted), pfps (muted), Carsten, JeremyCarroll, uli (muted), Alan, ??P18, Ivan (muted) ←
17:01:56 <Zakim> On IRC I see MarkusK, Achille, Zhe, msmith, uli, bcuencagrau, bmotik, alanr, RRSAgent, Zakim, Ratnesh, Ivan, IanH, MartinD, JeremyCarroll, pfps, Carsten, trackbot-ng, sandro,
Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see MarkusK, Achille, Zhe, msmith, uli, bcuencagrau, bmotik, alanr, RRSAgent, Zakim, Ratnesh, Ivan, IanH, MartinD, JeremyCarroll, pfps, Carsten, trackbot-ng, sandro, ←
17:01:58 <Zakim> ... ewallace
Zakim IRC Bot: ... ewallace ←
17:02:05 <Zakim> +[IBM]
Zakim IRC Bot: +[IBM] ←
17:02:08 <Ratnesh> zakim, ??P18 is me
Ratnesh Sahay: zakim, ??P18 is me ←
17:02:08 <Zakim> +Ratnesh; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +Ratnesh; got it ←
17:02:15 <Carsten> what kind of message is that?
Scribe problem: the name 'Carsten' does not match any of the 53 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Achille Fokoue Alan Ruttenberg Anne Cregan Bernardo Cuenca Grau Bijan Parsia Boris Motik Christine Golbreich Conrad Bock Deborah McGuinness Diego Calvanese Doug Lenat Elisa Kendall Enrico Franconi Evan Wallace Evren Sirin Fabian Neuhaus Fabien Gandon Giorgos Stamou Giorgos Stoilos Héctor Pérez Urbina Ian Horrocks Ivan Herman Jeff Pan Jeremy Carroll Jie Bao Joanne Luciano Jonathan Rees Kendall Clark Markus Krötzsch Martin Dzbor Michael Sintek Michael Smith Michael Schneider Michel Dumontier Olivier Corby Pascal Hitzler Peter Haase Peter Patel-Schneider Ratnesh Sahay Rinke Hoekstra Sandro Hawke Steve Battle Suzette Stoutenburg Tommie Meyer Uli Sattler Vassilis Tzouvaras Vipul Kashyap Vit Novacek Vojtech Svatek Zhe Wu Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
Scribe problem: the name 'Carsten' does not match any of the 53 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Achille Fokoue Alan Ruttenberg Anne Cregan Bernardo Cuenca Grau Bijan Parsia Boris Motik Christine Golbreich Conrad Bock Deborah McGuinness Diego Calvanese Doug Lenat Elisa Kendall Enrico Franconi Evan Wallace Evren Sirin Fabian Neuhaus Fabien Gandon Giorgos Stamou Giorgos Stoilos Héctor Pérez Urbina Ian Horrocks Ivan Herman Jeff Pan Jeremy Carroll Jie Bao Joanne Luciano Jonathan Rees Kendall Clark Markus Krötzsch Martin Dzbor Michael Sintek Michael Smith Michael Schneider Michel Dumontier Olivier Corby Pascal Hitzler Peter Haase Peter Patel-Schneider Ratnesh Sahay Rinke Hoekstra Sandro Hawke Steve Battle Suzette Stoutenburg Tommie Meyer Uli Sattler Vassilis Tzouvaras Vipul Kashyap Vit Novacek Vojtech Svatek Zhe Wu Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
Unknown Carsten: what kind of message is that? ←
17:02:18 <Achille> Zakim. IBM is Achille
Achille Fokoue: Zakim. IBM is Achille ←
17:02:19 <Carsten> "excellent" :)
Scribe problem: the name 'Carsten' does not match any of the 53 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Achille Fokoue Alan Ruttenberg Anne Cregan Bernardo Cuenca Grau Bijan Parsia Boris Motik Christine Golbreich Conrad Bock Deborah McGuinness Diego Calvanese Doug Lenat Elisa Kendall Enrico Franconi Evan Wallace Evren Sirin Fabian Neuhaus Fabien Gandon Giorgos Stamou Giorgos Stoilos Héctor Pérez Urbina Ian Horrocks Ivan Herman Jeff Pan Jeremy Carroll Jie Bao Joanne Luciano Jonathan Rees Kendall Clark Markus Krötzsch Martin Dzbor Michael Sintek Michael Smith Michael Schneider Michel Dumontier Olivier Corby Pascal Hitzler Peter Haase Peter Patel-Schneider Ratnesh Sahay Rinke Hoekstra Sandro Hawke Steve Battle Suzette Stoutenburg Tommie Meyer Uli Sattler Vassilis Tzouvaras Vipul Kashyap Vit Novacek Vojtech Svatek Zhe Wu Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
Scribe problem: the name 'Carsten' does not match any of the 53 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Achille Fokoue Alan Ruttenberg Anne Cregan Bernardo Cuenca Grau Bijan Parsia Boris Motik Christine Golbreich Conrad Bock Deborah McGuinness Diego Calvanese Doug Lenat Elisa Kendall Enrico Franconi Evan Wallace Evren Sirin Fabian Neuhaus Fabien Gandon Giorgos Stamou Giorgos Stoilos Héctor Pérez Urbina Ian Horrocks Ivan Herman Jeff Pan Jeremy Carroll Jie Bao Joanne Luciano Jonathan Rees Kendall Clark Markus Krötzsch Martin Dzbor Michael Sintek Michael Smith Michael Schneider Michel Dumontier Olivier Corby Pascal Hitzler Peter Haase Peter Patel-Schneider Ratnesh Sahay Rinke Hoekstra Sandro Hawke Steve Battle Suzette Stoutenburg Tommie Meyer Uli Sattler Vassilis Tzouvaras Vipul Kashyap Vit Novacek Vojtech Svatek Zhe Wu Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
Unknown Carsten: "excellent" :) ←
17:02:23 <IanH> zakim, who is here?
Ian Horrocks: zakim, who is here? ←
17:02:23 <Zakim> On the phone I see IanH, bmotik (muted), bcuencagrau (muted), MartinD (muted), pfps (muted), Carsten, JeremyCarroll, uli (muted), Alan, Ratnesh, Ivan, [IBM]
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see IanH, bmotik (muted), bcuencagrau (muted), MartinD (muted), pfps (muted), Carsten, JeremyCarroll, uli (muted), Alan, Ratnesh, Ivan, [IBM] ←
17:02:26 <Zakim> On IRC I see MarkusK, Achille, Zhe, msmith, uli, bcuencagrau, bmotik, alanr, RRSAgent, Zakim, Ratnesh, Ivan, IanH, MartinD, JeremyCarroll, pfps, Carsten, trackbot-ng, sandro,
Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see MarkusK, Achille, Zhe, msmith, uli, bcuencagrau, bmotik, alanr, RRSAgent, Zakim, Ratnesh, Ivan, IanH, MartinD, JeremyCarroll, pfps, Carsten, trackbot-ng, sandro, ←
17:02:28 <Zakim> ... ewallace
Zakim IRC Bot: ... ewallace ←
17:02:30 <Ivan> zakim, drop me
Ivan Herman: zakim, drop me ←
17:02:30 <Zakim> Ivan is being disconnected
Zakim IRC Bot: Ivan is being disconnected ←
17:02:31 <Zakim> -Ivan
Zakim IRC Bot: -Ivan ←
17:02:44 <Achille> Zakim, IBM is Achille
Achille Fokoue: Zakim, IBM is Achille ←
17:02:44 <Zakim> +Achille; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +Achille; got it ←
17:02:46 <Ivan> zakim, dial ivan-voip
Ivan Herman: zakim, dial ivan-voip ←
17:02:46 <Zakim> ok, Ivan; the call is being made
Zakim IRC Bot: ok, Ivan; the call is being made ←
17:02:47 <pfps> ScribeNick: Carsten
Scribe problem: the name 'Carsten' does not match any of the 53 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Achille Fokoue Alan Ruttenberg Anne Cregan Bernardo Cuenca Grau Bijan Parsia Boris Motik Christine Golbreich Conrad Bock Deborah McGuinness Diego Calvanese Doug Lenat Elisa Kendall Enrico Franconi Evan Wallace Evren Sirin Fabian Neuhaus Fabien Gandon Giorgos Stamou Giorgos Stoilos Héctor Pérez Urbina Ian Horrocks Ivan Herman Jeff Pan Jeremy Carroll Jie Bao Joanne Luciano Jonathan Rees Kendall Clark Markus Krötzsch Martin Dzbor Michael Sintek Michael Smith Michael Schneider Michel Dumontier Olivier Corby Pascal Hitzler Peter Haase Peter Patel-Schneider Ratnesh Sahay Rinke Hoekstra Sandro Hawke Steve Battle Suzette Stoutenburg Tommie Meyer Uli Sattler Vassilis Tzouvaras Vipul Kashyap Vit Novacek Vojtech Svatek Zhe Wu Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
(Scribe set to Unknown Carsten)
17:02:47 <Zakim> +Ivan
Zakim IRC Bot: +Ivan ←
17:02:55 <Zakim> +msmith
Zakim IRC Bot: +msmith ←
17:03:08 <Ivan> zakim, drop me
Ivan Herman: zakim, drop me ←
17:03:08 <Zakim> Ivan is being disconnected
Zakim IRC Bot: Ivan is being disconnected ←
17:03:09 <Zakim> -Ivan
Zakim IRC Bot: -Ivan ←
17:03:14 <alanr> It's ivan trying to have zakim call him
Alan Ruttenberg: It's ivan trying to have zakim call him ←
17:03:29 <Ivan> zakim, code?
Ivan Herman: zakim, code? ←
17:03:29 <Zakim> the conference code is 69594 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), Ivan
Zakim IRC Bot: the conference code is 69594 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), Ivan ←
17:03:42 <IanH> zakim, who is here?
Ian Horrocks: zakim, who is here? ←
17:03:42 <Zakim> On the phone I see IanH, bmotik (muted), bcuencagrau (muted), MartinD (muted), pfps (muted), Carsten, JeremyCarroll, uli (muted), Alan, Ratnesh, Achille, msmith
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see IanH, bmotik (muted), bcuencagrau (muted), MartinD (muted), pfps (muted), Carsten, JeremyCarroll, uli (muted), Alan, Ratnesh, Achille, msmith ←
17:03:45 <Zakim> On IRC I see MarkusK, Achille, Zhe, msmith, uli, bcuencagrau, bmotik, alanr, RRSAgent, Zakim, Ratnesh, Ivan, IanH, MartinD, JeremyCarroll, pfps, Carsten, trackbot-ng, sandro,
Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see MarkusK, Achille, Zhe, msmith, uli, bcuencagrau, bmotik, alanr, RRSAgent, Zakim, Ratnesh, Ivan, IanH, MartinD, JeremyCarroll, pfps, Carsten, trackbot-ng, sandro, ←
17:03:47 <Zakim> ... ewallace
Zakim IRC Bot: ... ewallace ←
17:03:50 <IanH> zakim, unmute me
Ian Horrocks: zakim, unmute me ←
17:03:50 <Zakim> IanH was not muted, IanH
Zakim IRC Bot: IanH was not muted, IanH ←
17:04:15 <Zakim> +??P29
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P29 ←
17:04:16 <Zakim> + +1.603.438.aaaa
Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.603.438.aaaa ←
17:04:20 <IanH> zakim, who is here?
Ian Horrocks: zakim, who is here? ←
17:04:20 <Zakim> On the phone I see IanH, bmotik (muted), bcuencagrau (muted), MartinD (muted), pfps (muted), Carsten, JeremyCarroll, uli (muted), Alan, Ratnesh, Achille, msmith, +1.603.438.aaaa,
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see IanH, bmotik (muted), bcuencagrau (muted), MartinD (muted), pfps (muted), Carsten, JeremyCarroll, uli (muted), Alan, Ratnesh, Achille, msmith, +1.603.438.aaaa, ←
17:04:23 <Zakim> ... ??P29
Zakim IRC Bot: ... ??P29 ←
17:04:24 <Zakim> On IRC I see JeffP, MarkusK, Achille, Zhe, msmith, uli, bcuencagrau, bmotik, alanr, RRSAgent, Zakim, Ratnesh, Ivan, IanH, MartinD, JeremyCarroll, pfps, Carsten, trackbot-ng,
Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see JeffP, MarkusK, Achille, Zhe, msmith, uli, bcuencagrau, bmotik, alanr, RRSAgent, Zakim, Ratnesh, Ivan, IanH, MartinD, JeremyCarroll, pfps, Carsten, trackbot-ng, ←
17:04:26 <Zakim> ... sandro, ewallace
Zakim IRC Bot: ... sandro, ewallace ←
17:04:32 <JeffP> (I am only on IRC)
Jeff Pan: (I am only on IRC) ←
17:04:33 <Zhe> Zakim, +1.603.438.aaaa is me
Zhe Wu: Zakim, +1.603.438.aaaa is me ←
17:04:33 <Zakim> +Zhe; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +Zhe; got it ←
17:04:40 <Carsten> thanks, peter
Scribe problem: the name 'Carsten' does not match any of the 53 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Achille Fokoue Alan Ruttenberg Anne Cregan Bernardo Cuenca Grau Bijan Parsia Boris Motik Christine Golbreich Conrad Bock Deborah McGuinness Diego Calvanese Doug Lenat Elisa Kendall Enrico Franconi Evan Wallace Evren Sirin Fabian Neuhaus Fabien Gandon Giorgos Stamou Giorgos Stoilos Héctor Pérez Urbina Ian Horrocks Ivan Herman Jeff Pan Jeremy Carroll Jie Bao Joanne Luciano Jonathan Rees Kendall Clark Markus Krötzsch Martin Dzbor Michael Sintek Michael Smith Michael Schneider Michel Dumontier Olivier Corby Pascal Hitzler Peter Haase Peter Patel-Schneider Ratnesh Sahay Rinke Hoekstra Sandro Hawke Steve Battle Suzette Stoutenburg Tommie Meyer Uli Sattler Vassilis Tzouvaras Vipul Kashyap Vit Novacek Vojtech Svatek Zhe Wu Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
Scribe problem: the name 'Carsten' does not match any of the 53 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Achille Fokoue Alan Ruttenberg Anne Cregan Bernardo Cuenca Grau Bijan Parsia Boris Motik Christine Golbreich Conrad Bock Deborah McGuinness Diego Calvanese Doug Lenat Elisa Kendall Enrico Franconi Evan Wallace Evren Sirin Fabian Neuhaus Fabien Gandon Giorgos Stamou Giorgos Stoilos Héctor Pérez Urbina Ian Horrocks Ivan Herman Jeff Pan Jeremy Carroll Jie Bao Joanne Luciano Jonathan Rees Kendall Clark Markus Krötzsch Martin Dzbor Michael Sintek Michael Smith Michael Schneider Michel Dumontier Olivier Corby Pascal Hitzler Peter Haase Peter Patel-Schneider Ratnesh Sahay Rinke Hoekstra Sandro Hawke Steve Battle Suzette Stoutenburg Tommie Meyer Uli Sattler Vassilis Tzouvaras Vipul Kashyap Vit Novacek Vojtech Svatek Zhe Wu Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
thanks, peter ←
17:04:51 <Ivan> zakim, dial ivan-voip
Ivan Herman: zakim, dial ivan-voip ←
17:04:51 <Zakim> ok, Ivan; the call is being made
Zakim IRC Bot: ok, Ivan; the call is being made ←
17:04:53 <Zakim> +Ivan
Zakim IRC Bot: +Ivan ←
17:05:14 <Ivan> zakim, drop me
Ivan Herman: zakim, drop me ←
17:05:14 <Zakim> Ivan is being disconnected
Zakim IRC Bot: Ivan is being disconnected ←
17:05:15 <Zakim> -Ivan
Zakim IRC Bot: -Ivan ←
17:05:23 <Carsten> ian: roll call
Scribe problem: the name 'Carsten' does not match any of the 53 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Achille Fokoue Alan Ruttenberg Anne Cregan Bernardo Cuenca Grau Bijan Parsia Boris Motik Christine Golbreich Conrad Bock Deborah McGuinness Diego Calvanese Doug Lenat Elisa Kendall Enrico Franconi Evan Wallace Evren Sirin Fabian Neuhaus Fabien Gandon Giorgos Stamou Giorgos Stoilos Héctor Pérez Urbina Ian Horrocks Ivan Herman Jeff Pan Jeremy Carroll Jie Bao Joanne Luciano Jonathan Rees Kendall Clark Markus Krötzsch Martin Dzbor Michael Sintek Michael Smith Michael Schneider Michel Dumontier Olivier Corby Pascal Hitzler Peter Haase Peter Patel-Schneider Ratnesh Sahay Rinke Hoekstra Sandro Hawke Steve Battle Suzette Stoutenburg Tommie Meyer Uli Sattler Vassilis Tzouvaras Vipul Kashyap Vit Novacek Vojtech Svatek Zhe Wu Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
Ian Horrocks: roll call ←
17:05:33 <JeremyCarroll> Ivan - it really isn't working, and it's quite disturbing
Jeremy Carroll: Ivan - it really isn't working, and it's quite disturbing ←
17:05:39 <alanr> yes
Alan Ruttenberg: yes ←
17:05:53 <Carsten> ian: f2f3, my understanding is we agreed 28./29. July at MIT
Scribe problem: the name 'Carsten' does not match any of the 53 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Achille Fokoue Alan Ruttenberg Anne Cregan Bernardo Cuenca Grau Bijan Parsia Boris Motik Christine Golbreich Conrad Bock Deborah McGuinness Diego Calvanese Doug Lenat Elisa Kendall Enrico Franconi Evan Wallace Evren Sirin Fabian Neuhaus Fabien Gandon Giorgos Stamou Giorgos Stoilos Héctor Pérez Urbina Ian Horrocks Ivan Herman Jeff Pan Jeremy Carroll Jie Bao Joanne Luciano Jonathan Rees Kendall Clark Markus Krötzsch Martin Dzbor Michael Sintek Michael Smith Michael Schneider Michel Dumontier Olivier Corby Pascal Hitzler Peter Haase Peter Patel-Schneider Ratnesh Sahay Rinke Hoekstra Sandro Hawke Steve Battle Suzette Stoutenburg Tommie Meyer Uli Sattler Vassilis Tzouvaras Vipul Kashyap Vit Novacek Vojtech Svatek Zhe Wu Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
Ian Horrocks: f2f3, my understanding is we agreed 28./29. July at MIT ←
17:06:17 <pfps> minutes are OK
Peter Patel-Schneider: minutes are OK ←
17:06:20 <Carsten> ian: previous minutes
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Ian Horrocks: previous minutes ←
17:06:32 <Zakim> +Sandro
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17:06:42 <Carsten> PROPOSAL: to accept previous minutes
PROPOSED: to accept previous minutes ←
17:06:51 <IanH> +1
Ian Horrocks: +1 ←
17:06:53 <msmith> +1 to previous minutes
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Markus Krötzsch: +1 ←
17:06:58 <Zhe> +1
17:06:59 <MartinD> +1
Martin Dzbor: +1 ←
17:07:00 <pfps> +1
17:07:01 <alanr> +1
Alan Ruttenberg: +1 ←
17:07:06 <uli> +1
Uli Sattler: +1 ←
17:07:08 <Carsten> +1
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17:07:09 <JeffP> 0 (didn't attend)
17:07:19 <Zakim> +Ivan
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17:07:23 <Carsten> RESOLVED: accept previous minutes
RESOLVED: accept previous minutes ←
17:07:50 <sandro> RRSAgent, pointer?
Sandro Hawke: RRSAgent, pointer? ←
17:07:50 <RRSAgent> See http://www.w3.org/2008/04/30-owl-irc#T17-07-50
RRSAgent IRC Bot: See http://www.w3.org/2008/04/30-owl-irc#T17-07-50 ←
17:08:23 <Carsten> ian: new strategy for handling issues: chairs look at the and decide whether they will be accepted
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Ian Horrocks: new strategy for handling issues: chairs look at them and decide whethemr themy will be accepted ←
17:08:40 <Carsten> s/the/them/
17:09:04 <Carsten> Ian: Action Item Status
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Ian Horrocks: Action Item Status ←
17:09:19 <Carsten> Ian: Actions 140 and 141 done
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Ian Horrocks: Actions 140 and 141 done ←
17:09:24 <Carsten> Ian: Due and overdue Actions
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Ian Horrocks: Due and overdue Actions ←
17:09:31 <uli> Bijan isn't there
Uli Sattler: Bijan isn't there ←
17:09:54 <Carsten> Ian: 129, 132 deferred since Bijan is not here
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Ian Horrocks: 129, 132 deferred since Bijan is not here ←
17:10:13 <Carsten> Ian: Jeremy proposed to drop Action 135 (which was on him)
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Ian Horrocks: Jeremy proposed to drop ACTION-135 (which was on him) ←
17:10:35 <pfps> q+
17:10:53 <pfps> -
17:10:56 <pfps> q-
17:11:07 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
17:11:16 <pfps> q+
17:11:20 <Carsten> Ian: action closed, Jeremy can created a new one later if necessary
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Ian Horrocks: action closed, Jeremy can create a new one later if necessary ←
17:11:25 <pfps> q+
17:11:27 <Carsten> s/created/create/
17:11:41 <Carsten> Ian: 42 skipped, Bijan not here
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Ian Horrocks: 42 skipped, Bijan not here ←
17:11:45 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
17:12:19 <pfps> q-
17:12:26 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
17:12:57 <Carsten> Ian: Action 43: Bijan suggested he might be able to help; come back next week
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Ian Horrocks: ACTION-43: Bijan suggested he might be able to help; come back next week ←
17:13:11 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
17:13:38 <alanr> have pushed Bijan's actions to May 5 (so they will show as overdue when agenda planning next week)
Alan Ruttenberg: have pushed Bijan's actions to May 5 (so they will show as overdue when agenda planning next week) ←
17:14:36 <Carsten> Jeremy: would appreciate early feedback from others in the group on preliminary review that I will provide soon (?)
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Jeremy Carroll: would appreciate early feedback from others in the group on preliminary review that I will provide soon (?) ←
17:14:44 <Zakim> -bcuencagrau
Zakim IRC Bot: -bcuencagrau ←
17:14:46 <Carsten> Ian: ISSUES
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Ian Horrocks: ISSUES ←
17:14:51 <Carsten> Ian: Issue 82
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17:15:02 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
17:15:12 <Carsten> Ian: really two issues; one is buggy diagrams which has been fixed by Boris and Conrad
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Ian Horrocks: really two issues; one is buggy diagrams which has been fixed by Boris and Conrad ←
17:15:26 <Carsten> Ian: the second part is the general issue of what is going to happen w.r.t. OMG metamodel
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Ian Horrocks: the second part is the general issue of what is going to happen w.r.t. OMG metamodel ←
17:15:28 <Zakim> +??P7
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P7 ←
17:15:37 <bcuencagrau> Zakim, ??P7 is me
Bernardo Cuenca Grau: Zakim, ??P7 is me ←
17:15:37 <Zakim> +bcuencagrau; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +bcuencagrau; got it ←
17:15:41 <JeremyCarroll> q+
Jeremy Carroll: q+ ←
17:15:43 <bcuencagrau> Zakim, mute me
Bernardo Cuenca Grau: Zakim, mute me ←
17:15:43 <Zakim> bcuencagrau should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: bcuencagrau should now be muted ←
17:15:51 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
17:16:00 <IanH> ack JeremyCarroll
Ian Horrocks: ack JeremyCarroll ←
17:16:04 <Carsten> Ian: I propose to close issue as first part is solved and more concrete issues can be raised later when needed
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Ian Horrocks: I propose to close issue as first part is solved and more concrete issues can be raised later when needed ←
17:16:12 <alanr> is evan here?
Alan Ruttenberg: is evan here? ←
17:16:26 <bmotik> Conrad was quite happy about the new diagrams.
Boris Motik: Conrad was quite happy about the new diagrams. ←
17:16:26 <JeremyCarroll> no is irc is a zombie
Jeremy Carroll: no is irc is a zombie ←
17:17:01 <Carsten> ian: we talked to Evan and ??? (didn't get it) and they were happy with this
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Ian Horrocks: we talked to Evan and ??? (didn't get it) and they were happy with this ←
17:17:08 <JeremyCarroll> ??? = ELisa
Jeremy Carroll: ??? = ELisa ←
17:17:11 <Carsten> PROPOSED: resolve issue 82 as per the email
PROPOSED: resolve ISSUE-82 as per the email ←
17:17:17 <alanr> +1
Alan Ruttenberg: +1 ←
17:17:19 <IanH> ??? = Elisa and Conrad
Ian Horrocks: ??? = Elisa and Conrad ←
17:17:22 <pfps> +1
17:17:29 <uli> +1
Uli Sattler: +1 ←
17:17:35 <pfps> email is http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-owl-wg/2008Apr/0297.html)
Peter Patel-Schneider: email is http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-owl-wg/2008Apr/0297.html) ←
17:17:40 <JeremyCarroll> +1
Jeremy Carroll: +1 ←
17:17:47 <IanH> +1
Ian Horrocks: +1 ←
17:17:47 <Carsten> +1
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+1 ←
17:17:49 <MartinD> +1
Martin Dzbor: +1 ←
17:17:49 <Zhe> +1
17:18:00 <sandro> +1
Sandro Hawke: +1 ←
17:18:03 <MarkusK> +1
Markus Krötzsch: +1 ←
17:18:11 <Carsten> RESOLVED issue 82
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17:18:36 <Carsten> Ian: Issue 107
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17:18:56 <Carsten> Ian: there is a proposal from Alan not to deprecate OWL Lite because there is no real need to do that
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Ian Horrocks: there is a proposal from Alan not to deprecate OWL Lite because there is no real need to do that ←
17:19:03 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
17:19:43 <Carsten> Alan: Jeremy's advice should be somewhere in the documents
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Alan Ruttenberg: Jeremy's advice should be somewhere in the documents ←
17:19:50 <JeremyCarroll> q+
Jeremy Carroll: q+ ←
17:19:55 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
17:20:01 <IanH> ack JeremyCarroll
Ian Horrocks: ack JeremyCarroll ←
17:20:18 <uli> q+
Uli Sattler: q+ ←
17:20:27 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
17:20:28 <uli> zakim, unmute me
Uli Sattler: zakim, unmute me ←
17:20:28 <Zakim> uli should no longer be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: uli should no longer be muted ←
17:20:35 <Carsten> Jeremy: If we believe that people should think in terms of the new profiles and not of OWL lite, we should deprecate
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Jeremy Carroll: If we believe that people should think in terms of the new profiles and not of OWL lite, we should deprecate ←
17:20:45 <JeremyCarroll> Jeremy was speaking personally - not for HP
Jeremy Carroll: Jeremy was speaking personally - not for HP ←
17:20:50 <alanr> but you might be doing it, even you do deprecate it, as it is valid owl 2
Alan Ruttenberg: but you might be doing it, even you do deprecate it, as it is valid owl 2 ←
17:20:58 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
17:21:02 <Carsten> Uli: we should be careful not to make OWL lite users think they have to change sth
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Uli Sattler: we should be careful not to make OWL lite users think they have to change sth ←
17:21:02 <JeremyCarroll> agreed
Jeremy Carroll: agreed ←
17:21:04 <IanH> ack uli
Ian Horrocks: ack uli ←
17:21:32 <uli> zakim, unmute me
Uli Sattler: zakim, unmute me ←
17:21:32 <Zakim> uli was not muted, uli
Zakim IRC Bot: uli was not muted, uli ←
17:21:35 <sandro> +1 Uli ("deprecated" may make Lite users think they have to change something)
Sandro Hawke: +1 Uli ("deprecated" may make Lite users think they have to change something) ←
17:21:37 <uli> zakim, mute me
Uli Sattler: zakim, mute me ←
17:21:37 <Zakim> uli should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: uli should now be muted ←
17:21:53 <Ivan> q+
Ivan Herman: q+ ←
17:21:59 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
17:22:00 <Carsten> Jeremy: agree with Uli in that the deprecation advice to OWL Lite users is "do nothing"
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Jeremy Carroll: agree with Uli in that the deprecation advice to OWL Lite users is "do nothing" ←
17:22:03 <IanH> ack Ivan
Ian Horrocks: ack Ivan ←
17:22:06 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
17:22:33 <uli> ...but saying that, if they want to keep working with their ontologies, they should look into the profiles would be useful as well
Uli Sattler: ...but saying that, if they want to keep working with their ontologies, they should look into the profiles would be useful as well ←
17:22:38 <JeremyCarroll> q+
Jeremy Carroll: q+ ←
17:22:39 <Carsten> Ivan: in other areas, deprecation means that, although it is still valid, in a later version we may make in invalid. Didn't find examples in W3C docs. But it has this aspect. Thus I am in favour of what Alan says
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Ivan Herman: in other areas, deprecation means that, although it is still valid, in a later version we may make in invalid. Didn't find examples in W3C docs. But it has this aspect. Thus I am in favour of what Alan says ←
17:22:42 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
17:22:56 <JeffP> [Does this mean OWL Lite will be one of the OWL 2 profiles?]
Jeff Pan: [Does this mean OWL Lite will be one of the OWL 2 profiles?] ←
17:22:57 <alanr> http://www.w3.org/TR/owl-ref/#Deprecation
Alan Ruttenberg: http://www.w3.org/TR/owl-ref/#Deprecation ←
17:23:07 <Carsten> Jeremy: I am convinced by Ivans arguments
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Jeremy Carroll: I am convinced by Ivans arguments ←
17:23:07 <IanH> ack JeremyCarrroll
Ian Horrocks: ack JeremyCarrroll ←
17:23:16 <Carsten> PROPOSED: resolve issue 107 as per http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-owl-wg/2008Apr/0308.html
PROPOSED: resolve ISSUE-107 as per http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-owl-wg/2008Apr/0308.html ←
17:23:20 <Ivan> +1
Ivan Herman: +1 ←
17:23:22 <IanH> +1
Ian Horrocks: +1 ←
17:23:23 <JeremyCarroll> +1
Jeremy Carroll: +1 ←
17:23:25 <bcuencagrau> +1
17:23:25 <alanr> +1
Alan Ruttenberg: +1 ←
17:23:26 <Carsten> +1
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+1 ←
17:23:26 <MarkusK> +1
Markus Krötzsch: +1 ←
17:23:27 <pfps> +1
17:23:31 <uli> +1
Uli Sattler: +1 ←
17:23:34 <sandro> +1
Sandro Hawke: +1 ←
17:23:35 <Ratnesh> +1
Ratnesh Sahay: +1 ←
17:23:36 <alanr> Action to add jeremy's comments somewhere?
Alan Ruttenberg: Action to add jeremy's comments somewhere? ←
17:23:38 <Carsten> RESOLVED issue 107
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17:23:40 <Zhe> +1
17:23:40 <JeffP> +1
17:23:44 <Carsten> Ian: issue 47
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17:23:56 <sandro> (very cute, Alan, using the OWL def'n of deprecation. :-)
Sandro Hawke: (very cute, Alan, using the OWL def'n of deprecation. :-) ←
17:24:36 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
17:24:43 <JeremyCarroll> q-
Jeremy Carroll: q- ←
17:25:14 <Carsten> Alan will put Jeremy's comments as a note in the profiles document
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Alan will put Jeremy's comments as a note in the profiles document ←
17:25:28 <alanr> action: Alan to put editorial note in profiles document re: Jeremy's advise about OWL Lite
ACTION: Alan to put editorial note in profiles document re: Jeremy's advise about OWL Lite ←
17:25:28 <trackbot-ng> Created ACTION-143 - Put editorial note in profiles document re: Jeremy's advise about OWL Lite [on Alan Ruttenberg - due 2008-05-07].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-143 - Put editorial note in profiles document re: Jeremy's advise about OWL Lite [on Alan Ruttenberg - due 2008-05-07]. ←
17:25:42 <alanr> not moot - resolved
Alan Ruttenberg: not moot - resolved ←
17:25:51 <JeremyCarroll> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-owl-wg/2008Apr/0313
Jeremy Carroll: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-owl-wg/2008Apr/0313 ←
17:25:52 <Carsten> Ian: Issue 47 is moot since compound keys are covered by easykeys
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Ian Horrocks: ISSUE-47 is moot since compound keys are covered by easykeys ←
17:25:58 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
17:26:22 <JeremyCarroll> "Proposed to close the issue as addressed by EasyKeys."
Jeremy Carroll: "Proposed to close the issue as addressed by EasyKeys." ←
17:26:22 <Zakim> +diegoc
Zakim IRC Bot: +diegoc ←
17:27:05 <Carsten> PROPOSED: Issue 47 resolved as addressed by EasyKeys
PROPOSED: ISSUE-47 resolved as addressed by EasyKeys ←
17:27:10 <alanr> +1
Alan Ruttenberg: +1 ←
17:27:11 <pfps> +1
17:27:12 <IanH> +1
Ian Horrocks: +1 ←
17:27:13 <JeremyCarroll> +1
Jeremy Carroll: +1 ←
17:27:15 <Zhe> +1
17:27:16 <Carsten> +1
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+1 ←
17:27:18 <JeffP> +1
17:27:20 <uli> +1
Uli Sattler: +1 ←
17:27:22 <MarkusK> +1
Markus Krötzsch: +1 ←
17:27:28 <msmith> +1
Michael Smith: +1 ←
17:27:32 <Carsten> RESOLVED Issue 47
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17:27:57 <Carsten> Ian: Issue 122
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17:28:29 <JeremyCarroll> q+ to ask what it is??
Jeremy Carroll: q+ to ask what it is?? ←
17:28:34 <Carsten> Ian: it is already resolved; wasn't resolved when raised; but now resolved by the updates of the syntax and mapping documents after the F2F
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Ian Horrocks: it is already resolved; wasn't resolved when raised; but now resolved by the updates of the syntax and mapping documents after the F2F ←
17:28:38 <IanH> Q?
Ian Horrocks: Q? ←
17:29:03 <Ivan> owl:qualifiedCardinality
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17:29:32 <IanH> Q?
Ian Horrocks: Q? ←
17:29:36 <JeremyCarroll> q-
Jeremy Carroll: q- ←
17:29:40 <Carsten> Jeremy: I have heard that people don't like it, but not from HP so no problem here
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Jeremy Carroll: I have heard that people don't like it, but not from HP so no problem here ←
17:29:53 <Carsten> PROPOSED: resolve issue 122 as per http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-owl-wg/2008Apr/0334.html
PROPOSED: resolve ISSUE-122 as per http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-owl-wg/2008Apr/0334.html ←
17:29:55 <Ivan> +1
Ivan Herman: +1 ←
17:29:57 <JeremyCarroll> +1
Jeremy Carroll: +1 ←
17:29:58 <IanH> +1
Ian Horrocks: +1 ←
17:29:59 <Carsten> +1
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+1 ←
17:30:00 <JeffP> +1
17:30:01 <Zhe> +1
17:30:01 <MarkusK> +1
Markus Krötzsch: +1 ←
17:30:02 <Achille> +1
Achille Fokoue: +1 ←
17:30:02 <msmith> +1
Michael Smith: +1 ←
17:30:04 <pfps> +1
17:30:07 <MartinD> +1
Martin Dzbor: +1 ←
17:30:10 <Ratnesh> +1
Ratnesh Sahay: +1 ←
17:30:11 <alanr> +1
Alan Ruttenberg: +1 ←
17:30:12 <uli> +1
Uli Sattler: +1 ←
17:30:15 <Carsten> RESOLVED: issue 122
17:30:38 <Carsten> Ian: Issue Discussions
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Ian Horrocks: Issue Discussions ←
17:31:11 <alanr> also, followup on feedback re: easy keys and top/bottom from implementors
Alan Ruttenberg: also, followup on feedback re: easy keys and top/bottom from implementors ←
17:31:16 <Carsten> Ian: we reorder issues, start with Issue 71
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Ian Horrocks: we reorder issues, start with ISSUE-71 ←
17:31:48 <IanH> http://www.w3.org/mid/480E0791.2030304%2540hpl.hp.com
Ian Horrocks: http://www.w3.org/mid/480E0791.2030304%2540hpl.hp.com ←
17:32:13 <Carsten> Jeremy: the paper mentioned in the issue was maybe too complicated
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Jeremy Carroll: the paper mentioned in the issue was maybe too complicated ←
17:32:51 <Carsten> Jeremy: there are linguist theries encoded in a language tag system in a bizarre fashion (?)
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Jeremy Carroll: there are linguist theries encoded in a language tag system in a bizarre fashion (?) ←
17:33:22 <Carsten> Jeremy: We need access to the language tag in the model theory, which is possible neither in OWL DL nor OWL Full
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Jeremy Carroll: We need access to the language tag in the model theory, which is possible neither in OWL DL nor OWL Full ←
17:33:40 <Carsten> Jeremy: suggestion is to provide a property in OWL with a model-theoretic treatement that allows access to tags
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Jeremy Carroll: suggestion is to provide a property in OWL with a model-theoretic treatement that allows access to tags ←
17:34:17 <Carsten> Jeremy: different approach is to provide a way of creating data ranges of those plain literals that have language tags that are of a particular form (?)
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Jeremy Carroll: different approach is to provide a way of creating data ranges of those plain literals that have language tags that are of a particular form (?) ←
17:34:19 <JeremyCarroll> _:a rdf:type owl:PlainLiterals .
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Unknown _: a rdf:type owl:PlainLiterals . [ Scribe Assist by Jeremy Carroll ] ←
17:34:19 <JeremyCarroll> _:a owl:withLanguageTag "en-US"^^xsd:language .
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Unknown _: a owl:withLanguageTag "en-US"^^xsd:language . [ Scribe Assist by Jeremy Carroll ] ←
17:34:38 <Carsten> Ian: a subclass of literals, like englishliterals?
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Ian Horrocks: a subclass of literals, like englishliterals? ←
17:34:55 <bmotik> Couldn't we use facets?
Boris Motik: Couldn't we use facets? ←
17:35:10 <alanr> question, re: Peter's mail. Can we make have a range which is plain literals without a language tag?
Alan Ruttenberg: question, re: Peter's mail. Can we make have a range which is plain literals without a language tag? ←
17:35:13 <bmotik> I think we can.
Boris Motik: I think we can. ←
17:35:15 <bmotik> q+
Boris Motik: q+ ←
17:35:17 <Carsten> Jeremy: yes; maybe we can do it (what? distorted) in facets
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Jeremy Carroll: yes; maybe we can do it (what? distorted) in facets ←
17:35:21 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
17:35:32 <pfps> plain literals without language tag is xsd:string
Peter Patel-Schneider: plain literals without language tag is xsd:string ←
17:35:50 <bmotik> Zakim, unmute me
Boris Motik: Zakim, unmute me ←
17:35:50 <Zakim> bmotik should no longer be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: bmotik should no longer be muted ←
17:36:06 <alanr> ok, peter - good point. Need a test case for that.
Alan Ruttenberg: ok, peter - good point. Need a test case for that. ←
17:36:08 <pfps> zakim, who is speaking?
Peter Patel-Schneider: zakim, who is speaking? ←
17:36:18 <Zakim> pfps, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Carsten (26%)
Zakim IRC Bot: pfps, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Carsten (26%) ←
17:36:46 <Carsten> boris: interesting issue we may want to address. two questions. First: for a bunch of objects, you have values connected via properties. If you want to single out all english literals, this can be done with facets
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Boris Motik: interesting issue we may want to address. two questions. First: for a bunch of objects, you have values connected via properties. If you want to single out all english literals, this can be done with facets ←
17:37:01 <IanH> Carsten: you might want to mute yourself (typing noise)
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17:37:05 <Carsten> boris: that would allow to query all values in english
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Boris Motik: that would allow to query all values in english ←
17:37:31 <Carsten> boris: second question: do you really need to break down and get the actual language tag as a string?
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Boris Motik: second question: do you really need to break down and get the actual language tag as a string? ←
17:37:40 <JeremyCarroll> q+
Jeremy Carroll: q+ ←
17:37:44 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
17:37:50 <bmotik> Zakim, mute me
Boris Motik: Zakim, mute me ←
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17:37:53 <Carsten> boris: the latter would require n-ary datatypes
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Boris Motik: the latter would require n-ary datatypes ←
17:38:35 <pfps> q+
17:38:44 <IanH> ack bmotik
Ian Horrocks: ack bmotik ←
17:38:52 <IanH> ack JeremyCarroll
Ian Horrocks: ack JeremyCarroll ←
17:39:45 <pfps> q+ to suggest owl:langpattern as a datatype facet valid on language strings
Peter Patel-Schneider: q+ to suggest owl:langpattern as a datatype facet valid on language strings ←
17:39:52 <pfps> ack me
Peter Patel-Schneider: ack me ←
17:39:53 <Zakim> pfps, you wanted to suggest owl:langpattern as a datatype facet valid on language strings
Zakim IRC Bot: pfps, you wanted to suggest owl:langpattern as a datatype facet valid on language strings ←
17:39:56 <Carsten> Jeremy: refers to what is needed in the paper cited in issue description. Unions play an imporant way, e.g. for different versions of chinese
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Jeremy Carroll: refers to what is needed in the paper cited in issue description. Unions play an imporant way, e.g. for different versions of chinese ←
17:40:17 <alanr> q+
Alan Ruttenberg: q+ ←
17:40:24 <Carsten> peter: patterns should work fine for language tags, XSD patterns
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Unknown peter: patterns should work fine for language tags, XSD patterns ←
17:40:25 <JeremyCarroll> Seems plausible
Jeremy Carroll: Seems plausible ←
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Zakim IRC Bot: pfps should now be muted ←
17:40:36 <alanr> q-
Alan Ruttenberg: q- ←
17:40:45 <pfps> "01010"?
Peter Patel-Schneider: "01010"? ←
17:40:50 <Carsten> Ian: why are literals not always a pair of language tag and content?
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Ian Horrocks: why are literals not always a pair of language tag and content? ←
17:40:52 <JeremyCarroll> q+
Jeremy Carroll: q+ ←
17:40:54 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
17:41:02 <IanH> ack JeremyCarroll
Ian Horrocks: ack JeremyCarroll ←
17:41:32 <Carsten> Jeremy: describes decision made by RDF group
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Jeremy Carroll: describes decision made by RDF group ←
17:41:33 <Zakim> -Sandro
Zakim IRC Bot: -Sandro ←
17:41:39 <alanr> +1 to langpattern
Alan Ruttenberg: +1 to langpattern ←
17:41:55 <Carsten> jeremy, I missed the details of your last remark, could you please put them in?
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jeremy, I missed the details of your last remark, could you please put them in? ←
17:42:01 <Zakim> +Sandro
Zakim IRC Bot: +Sandro ←
17:42:03 <JeremyCarroll> That plainliterals without lang tag are identical to xsd:string
Jeremy Carroll: That plainliterals without lang tag are identical to xsd:string ←
17:42:09 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
17:42:30 <alanr> but would like example of pattern - is this clearly documented?
Alan Ruttenberg: but would like example of pattern - is this clearly documented? ←
17:42:34 <JeremyCarroll> OK
Jeremy Carroll: OK ←
17:42:43 <Carsten> Ian: this could be the basis for a solution that Jeremy could write up
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Ian Horrocks: this could be the basis for a solution that Jeremy could write up ←
17:43:07 <JeremyCarroll> q+
Jeremy Carroll: q+ ←
17:43:10 <Carsten> Alan: I like the idea
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Alan Ruttenberg: I like the idea ←
17:43:22 <Ivan> q+
Ivan Herman: q+ ←
17:43:23 <bmotik> I am not sure I understood both proposals.
Boris Motik: I am not sure I understood both proposals. ←
17:43:27 <pfps> its a go.
Peter Patel-Schneider: its a go. ←
17:43:48 <Carsten> Jeremy: I can write up sth that is likely to be consensus
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Jeremy Carroll: I can write up sth that is likely to be consensus ←
17:44:09 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
17:44:17 <Ivan> ack JeremyCarroll
Ivan Herman: ack JeremyCarroll ←
17:44:20 <IanH> ack JeremyCarroll
Ian Horrocks: ack JeremyCarroll ←
17:44:28 <Carsten> Jeremy: will write a wiki page with texts that could then go into the documents
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Jeremy Carroll: will write a wiki page with texts that could then go into the documents ←
17:44:45 <IanH> Can someone do the action?
Ian Horrocks: Can someone do the action? ←
17:45:00 <Carsten> Ivan: It may be worth for Jeremy to talk to Felix Tasaki (sp?)
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Ivan Herman: It may be worth for Jeremy to talk to Felix Sasaki (sp?) ←
17:45:05 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
17:45:09 <IanH> ack Ivan
Ian Horrocks: ack Ivan ←
17:45:11 <Ivan> s/Tasaki/Sasaki/
17:46:00 <JeremyCarroll> ACTION: Jeremy, Start WIki page addressing lang tag issue, liasing with I18N activity (felix?)
ACTION: Jeremy, Start WIki page addressing lang tag issue, liasing with I18N activity (felix?) ←
17:46:00 <trackbot-ng> Sorry, couldn't find user - Jeremy,
Trackbot IRC Bot: Sorry, couldn't find user - Jeremy, ←
17:46:09 <Carsten> Ian: Issue 97
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17:46:24 <JeremyCarroll> ACTION: Jeremy Start WIki page addressing lang tag issue, liasing with I18N activity (felix?)
ACTION: Jeremy Start WIki page addressing lang tag issue, liasing with I18N activity (felix?) ←
17:46:24 <trackbot-ng> Created ACTION-144 - Start WIki page addressing lang tag issue, liasing with I18N activity (felix?) [on Jeremy Carroll - due 2008-05-07].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-144 - Start WIki page addressing lang tag issue, liasing with I18N activity (felix?) [on Jeremy Carroll - due 2008-05-07]. ←
17:47:03 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
17:47:12 <Carsten> Alan: we were waiting for Ivan and Sandro to explain ramifications
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Alan Ruttenberg: we were waiting for Ivan and Sandro to explain ramifications ←
17:47:28 <Carsten> Ian: suggestion from Bijan was that we only need to provide some kind of hook
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Ian Horrocks: suggestion from Bijan was that we only need to provide some kind of hook ←
17:47:53 <IanH> zakim, mute Carsten
Ian Horrocks: zakim, mute Carsten ←
17:47:53 <Zakim> Carsten should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: Carsten should now be muted ←
17:48:07 <IanH> OK
Ian Horrocks: OK ←
17:48:34 <JeremyCarroll> suggest ask GRDDL WG?
Jeremy Carroll: suggest ask GRDDL WG? ←
17:48:35 <Carsten> Alan: we need an expert to help with that
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Alan Ruttenberg: we need an expert to help with that ←
17:48:44 <Carsten> Ivan: my XSLT knowledge is not good enough
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Ivan Herman: my XSLT knowledge is not good enough ←
17:49:38 <JeremyCarroll> q+
Jeremy Carroll: q+ ←
17:49:44 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
17:49:49 <Carsten> Ian: the belief is that we really need to have it
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Ian Horrocks: the belief is that we really need to have it ←
17:50:07 <Carsten> Jeremy: we can send a message to the GRDDL WG and ask for volunteers
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Jeremy Carroll: we can send a message to the GRDDL WG and ask for volunteers ←
17:50:16 <Carsten> Ivan: the GRDDL WG is hibernating
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Ivan Herman: the GRDDL WG is hibernating ←
17:50:20 <Zakim> -Alan
Zakim IRC Bot: -Alan ←
17:50:20 <Ivan> q+
Ivan Herman: q+ ←
17:50:35 <Ivan> ack JeremyCarroll
Ivan Herman: ack JeremyCarroll ←
17:50:37 <alanr> Action: Jeremy to send mail to GRDDL groups asking for volunteer (just in case)
ACTION: Jeremy to send mail to GRDDL groups asking for volunteer (just in case) ←
17:50:37 <trackbot-ng> Created ACTION-145 - Send mail to GRDDL groups asking for volunteer (just in case) [on Jeremy Carroll - due 2008-05-07].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-145 - Send mail to GRDDL groups asking for volunteer (just in case) [on Jeremy Carroll - due 2008-05-07]. ←
17:50:41 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
17:50:47 <IanH> ack Ivan
Ian Horrocks: ack Ivan ←
17:50:47 <Ivan> ack Ivan
Ivan Herman: ack Ivan ←
17:50:48 <Carsten> Ian: bijan is not here to argue that we do not need it; in the meantime, we can ping people to help us
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Ian Horrocks: bijan is not here to argue that we do not need it; in the meantime, we can ping people to help us ←
17:51:24 <Carsten> Ivan: according to GRDDL, the transformation is not necessarily in XSLT; but all known implementations are XSLT
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Ivan Herman: according to GRDDL, the transformation is not necessarily in XSLT; but all known implementations are XSLT ←
17:51:34 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
17:51:43 <Zakim> +Alan
Zakim IRC Bot: +Alan ←
17:51:43 <alanr> q+
Alan Ruttenberg: q+ ←
17:51:49 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
17:52:43 <alanr> ack alanr
Alan Ruttenberg: ack alanr ←
17:52:49 <Carsten> Alan: you can be conforming in the you return a generated XSLT; but we don't need a server that does the computation
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Alan Ruttenberg: you can be conforming in the you return a generated XSLT; but we don't need a server that does the computation ←
17:52:56 <Carsten> Sandro: IMHO, this is cheating
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Sandro Hawke: IMHO, this is cheating ←
17:53:10 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
17:53:13 <Carsten> Alan: the server would be hosted at W3C
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Alan Ruttenberg: the server would be hosted at W3C ←
17:53:25 <Carsten> Sandro: bad if you are behind firewall
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Sandro Hawke: bad if you are behind firewall ←
17:53:37 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
17:53:41 <Carsten> Ivan: a GRDDL implementation might cache the transformation (?)
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Ivan Herman: a GRDDL implementation might cache the transformation (?) ←
17:54:08 <alanr> good point. I concur that it doesn't work to use the trick.
Alan Ruttenberg: good point. I concur that it doesn't work to use the trick. ←
17:54:17 <Carsten> Jeremy: I may not want to send my data over the internet to W3C
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Jeremy Carroll: I may not want to send my data over the internet to W3C ←
17:54:25 <JeremyCarroll> Also security issue with W3C server
Jeremy Carroll: Also security issue with W3C server ←
17:54:49 <alanr> q+
Alan Ruttenberg: q+ ←
17:54:57 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
17:55:03 <uli> zakim, unmute me
Uli Sattler: zakim, unmute me ←
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17:55:04 <JeremyCarroll> q+ to point of order, on I18N issue
Jeremy Carroll: q+ to point of order, on I18N issue ←
17:55:08 <Carsten> Ian: Do we want to have the discussion on n-ary datatypes today or wait for Bijan?
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Ian Horrocks: Do we want to have the discussion on n-ary datatypes today or wait for Bijan? ←
17:55:29 <Carsten> Alan: we could at least review the feedback by Achille, Zhe, et al
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Alan Ruttenberg: we could at least review the feedback by Achille, Zhe, et al ←
17:55:46 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
17:55:51 <alanr> ack alanr
Alan Ruttenberg: ack alanr ←
17:55:52 <IanH> ack alanr
Ian Horrocks: ack alanr ←
17:56:07 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
17:56:14 <IanH> ack JeremyCarroll
Ian Horrocks: ack JeremyCarroll ←
17:56:14 <Zakim> JeremyCarroll, you wanted to point of order, on I18N issue
Zakim IRC Bot: JeremyCarroll, you wanted to point of order, on I18N issue ←
17:56:15 <alanr> I believe the consensus was that we didn't want to handle lang in XML literals
Alan Ruttenberg: I believe the consensus was that we didn't want to handle lang in XML literals ←
17:56:24 <alanr> not well defined
Alan Ruttenberg: not well defined ←
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Zakim IRC Bot: uli should now be muted ←
17:56:40 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
17:56:42 <Carsten> which issue is this please?
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which issue is this please? ←
17:56:51 <alanr> issue 71
17:57:09 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
17:57:41 <Carsten> Jeremy: XHTML would be embedded as HTML
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Jeremy Carroll: XHTML would be embedded as HTML ←
17:57:54 <Carsten> Ivan: this is more relevant for RDF core than for OWL WG
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Ivan Herman: this is more relevant for RDF core than for OWL WG ←
17:58:23 <JeremyCarroll> Jeremy: the lang proposal does not address XML Literals, in particular XHTML embedded in OWL
Jeremy Carroll: the lang proposal does not address XML Literals, in particular XHTML embedded in OWL [ Scribe Assist by Jeremy Carroll ] ←
17:59:01 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
17:59:15 <IanH> zakim, who is here?
Ian Horrocks: zakim, who is here? ←
17:59:15 <Zakim> On the phone I see IanH, bmotik, MartinD (muted), pfps (muted), Carsten (muted), JeremyCarroll, uli (muted), Ratnesh, Achille, msmith, Zhe, MarkusK, Ivan, bcuencagrau (muted),
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see IanH, bmotik, MartinD (muted), pfps (muted), Carsten (muted), JeremyCarroll, uli (muted), Ratnesh, Achille, msmith, Zhe, MarkusK, Ivan, bcuencagrau (muted), ←
17:59:18 <Carsten> Alan: zhe, jeremy and achille; feedback on easykeys and top/bottomrole
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Alan Ruttenberg: zhe, jeremy and achille; feedback on easykeys and top/bottomrole ←
17:59:19 <Zakim> ... calvanese (muted), Sandro, Alan
Zakim IRC Bot: ... calvanese (muted), Sandro, Alan ←
17:59:20 <Zakim> On IRC I see calvanese, JeffP, MarkusK, Achille, Zhe, msmith, uli, bcuencagrau, bmotik, alanr, RRSAgent, Zakim, Ratnesh, Ivan, IanH, MartinD, JeremyCarroll, pfps, Carsten,
Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see calvanese, JeffP, MarkusK, Achille, Zhe, msmith, uli, bcuencagrau, bmotik, alanr, RRSAgent, Zakim, Ratnesh, Ivan, IanH, MartinD, JeremyCarroll, pfps, Carsten, ←
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18:00:13 <Carsten> Achille: easykeys is fine with us; top/bottomproperty we don't really see strong concrete usecases; Markus sent feedback; I still have mixed feelings
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Achille Fokoue: easykeys is fine with us; top/bottomproperty we don't really see strong concrete usecases; Markus sent feedback; I still have mixed feelings ←
18:00:20 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
18:01:08 <Carsten> Ian: if you have implemented OWL DL, you have implemented top/bottomrole anyway in a certain sense
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Ian Horrocks: if you have implemented OWL DL, you have implemented top/bottomrole anyway in a certain sense ←
18:01:16 <alanr> q+
Alan Ruttenberg: q+ ←
18:01:17 <Carsten> Ian: so there is no implementation as such
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Ian Horrocks: so there is no implementation as such ←
18:01:19 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
18:01:47 <alanr> e.g I can see forward chaining reasoners having this cost
Alan Ruttenberg: e.g I can see forward chaining reasoners having this cost ←
18:02:01 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
18:02:19 <Carsten> Achille: the question is whether we should encourage people to use that, and whether this will have performance impacts
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Achille Fokoue: the question is whether we should encourage people to use that, and whether this will have performance impacts ←
18:02:29 <Carsten> Alan: curious as well as to whether it is a performance issue
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Alan Ruttenberg: curious as well as to whether it is a performance issue ←
18:02:39 <uli> q+
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18:02:42 <alanr> ack alanr
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18:02:45 <Zakim> uli should no longer be muted
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18:02:49 <IanH> q?
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18:02:53 <IanH> ack uli
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18:03:00 <JeremyCarroll> q+ to answer alan's forward chaining qu
Jeremy Carroll: q+ to answer alan's forward chaining qu ←
18:03:09 <Carsten> Uli: it's just syntactic sugar, no blowup
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Uli Sattler: it's just syntactic sugar, no blowup ←
18:03:21 <alanr> ok thanks
Alan Ruttenberg: ok thanks ←
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18:03:26 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
18:03:27 <Carsten> uli: in practical cases, things may become a bit more tricky
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Uli Sattler: in practical cases, things may become a bit more tricky ←
18:03:35 <IanH> ack JeremyCarroll
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18:04:04 <Achille> q+
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18:04:07 <Carsten> jeremy: our experience is that forward chaining itself is inadequate, and the right mixture of forward- and backward-chaining is the solution
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Jeremy Carroll: our experience is that forward chaining itself is inadequate, and the right mixture of forward- and backward-chaining is the solution ←
18:04:17 <IanH> q?
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18:04:56 <Carsten> zhe: no doubt that easykeys is practical; top/bottomrole people can represent it anyway so I have no strong feeling as long as we do not put a rule in OWL-R
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Zhe Wu: no doubt that easykeys is practical; top/bottomrole people can represent it anyway so I have no strong feeling as long as we do not put a rule in OWL-R ←
18:05:20 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
18:05:21 <Carsten> Ian: it could just not be in the profile
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Ian Horrocks: it could just not be in the profile ←
18:05:50 <Carsten> Achille: question is: potential impact on profiles
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Achille Fokoue: question is: potential impact on profiles ←
18:06:12 <uli> q+
Uli Sattler: q+ ←
18:06:20 <alanr> bottom has some implication in classification, but gut is that it isn't onerous
Alan Ruttenberg: bottom has some implication in classification, but gut is that it isn't onerous ←
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18:06:28 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
18:06:32 <IanH> ack Achille
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18:06:35 <IanH> ack uli
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18:06:37 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
18:06:51 <Carsten> uli: the main motivation for having top/bottomrole was not urgent use cases; it was more to have a symmetric treatment of classes and properties
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Uli Sattler: the main motivation for having top/bottomrole was not urgent use cases; it was more to have a symmetric treatment of classes and properties ←
18:07:19 <Carsten> uli: I do not think we should encourage people to use it a lot
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Uli Sattler: I do not think we should encourage people to use it a lot ←
18:07:33 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
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18:07:45 <alanr> q+
Alan Ruttenberg: q+ ←
18:08:03 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
18:08:29 <Carsten> Ian: we should give people a bit more time to think about it
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Ian Horrocks: we should give people a bit more time to think about it ←
18:09:02 <JeremyCarroll> I am happy to resolve, with Zhe's rider not in OWL-R
Jeremy Carroll: I am happy to resolve, with Zhe's rider not in OWL-R ←
18:09:11 <Carsten> Alan: I would say sth stronger; there are no objections, except some fear of performance impact, but it seems we are close consensus to add those to OWL-DL
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Alan Ruttenberg: I would say sth stronger; there are no objections, except some fear of performance impact, but it seems we are close to consensus to add those to OWL-DL ←
18:09:24 <Carsten> s/close/close to/
18:09:45 <msmith> +1 to add to DL now, consider for profiles
Michael Smith: +1 to add to DL now, consider for profiles ←
18:09:46 <Carsten> STRAW POLL: add top/bottomproperty to OWL-DL, take actions to check profiles
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STRAW POLL: add top/bottomproperty to OWL-DL, take actions to check profiles ←
18:09:47 <JeremyCarroll> +1 (as long as not in OWL-R)
Jeremy Carroll: +1 (as long as not in OWL-R) ←
18:09:47 <Achille> +1
Achille Fokoue: +1 ←
18:09:49 <uli> +1
Uli Sattler: +1 ←
18:09:51 <MarkusK> +1 to add top/bottomProperty to OWL DL now
Markus Krötzsch: +1 to add top/bottomProperty to OWL DL now ←
18:09:52 <Carsten> +1
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+1 ←
18:09:53 <MartinD> +1
Martin Dzbor: +1 ←
18:09:54 <Ivan> +1
Ivan Herman: +1 ←
18:09:55 <Zhe> +1
18:09:59 <alanr> Add EasyKeys too, Carsten
Alan Ruttenberg: Add EasyKeys too, Carsten ←
18:10:00 <pfps> +1 to add to DL, and let the profiles fall where they may
Peter Patel-Schneider: +1 to add to DL, and let the profiles fall where they may ←
18:10:01 <bcuencagrau> +1
18:10:01 <alanr> +1
Alan Ruttenberg: +1 ←
18:10:02 <JeffP> +1
18:10:03 <calvanese> +1
Diego Calvanese: +1 ←
18:10:11 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
18:10:17 <alanr> ack alanr
Alan Ruttenberg: ack alanr ←
18:10:18 <IanH> ack alan
Ian Horrocks: ack alan ←
18:10:38 <Carsten> Ian: discussion about n-ary datatypes
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Ian Horrocks: discussion about n-ary datatypes ←
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18:11:16 <JeremyCarroll> uli fills Bijan's shoes!
Jeremy Carroll: uli fills Bijan's shoes! ←
18:11:25 <msmith> proposal: http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/wiki/N-ary_Data_predicate_proposal
PROPOSED: http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/wiki/N-ary_Data_predicate_proposal ←
18:11:43 <msmith> use cases, http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/wiki/N-ary_Data_predicate_use_case
Michael Smith: use cases, http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/wiki/N-ary_Data_predicate_use_case ←
18:11:43 <Carsten> Uli explains current proposal
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Uli explains current proposal ←
18:12:22 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
18:12:28 <Carsten> q+
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q+ ←
18:12:31 <alanr> bunch of the use cases are constraints
Alan Ruttenberg: bunch of the use cases are constraints ←
18:12:35 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
18:12:37 <Carsten> zakim, unmute me
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zakim, unmute me ←
18:12:37 <Zakim> Carsten should no longer be muted
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18:12:56 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
18:13:01 <IanH> ack Carsten
Ian Horrocks: ack Carsten ←
18:13:27 <msmith> carsten: confusing in the proposal. reals vs. algebraic reals
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Unknown carsten: confusing in the proposal. reals vs. algebraic reals [ Scribe Assist by Michael Smith ] ←
18:14:01 <msmith> carsten: in owl 1.0 strings are required, they are not in this proposal. and its not clear how they'd fit
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Unknown carsten: in owl 1.0 strings are required, they are not in this proposal. and its not clear how they'd fit [ Scribe Assist by Michael Smith ] ←
18:14:03 <Carsten> zakim, mute me
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zakim, mute me ←
18:14:03 <Zakim> Carsten should now be muted
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18:14:04 <pfps> q+
18:14:23 <pfps> q-
18:14:25 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
18:14:28 <alanr> q+
Alan Ruttenberg: q+ ←
18:14:32 <Carsten> uli: have to recheck algebraic reals
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Uli Sattler: have to recheck algebraic reals ←
18:14:36 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
18:14:56 <Carsten> uli: as to factes, we just took the most obvious ones
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Uli Sattler: as to facets, we just took the most obvious ones ←
18:15:04 <Carsten> s/factes/facets/
18:15:29 <Carsten> Alan asks for decidability when we put all things together
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Alan asks for decidability when we put all things together ←
18:15:33 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
18:15:40 <IanH> ack alanr
Ian Horrocks: ack alanr ←
18:15:42 <Carsten> Uli: didn't we agree that this happens everywhere in OWL and we can live with it?
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Uli Sattler: didn't we agree that this happens everywhere in OWL and we can live with it? ←
18:15:53 <Carsten> Alan: this brings us out of OWL DL
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Alan Ruttenberg: this brings us out of OWL DL ←
18:15:57 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
18:16:20 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
18:16:20 <MarkusK> Re greater than for strings: strings in XSD are indeed unordered as per spec, though this "not preclude other applications from treating strings as being ordered"
Markus Krötzsch: Re greater than for strings: strings in XSD are indeed unordered as per spec, though this "not preclude other applications from treating strings as being ordered" ←
18:16:27 <MarkusK> http://www.w3.org/TR/xmlschema-2/#string
Markus Krötzsch: http://www.w3.org/TR/xmlschema-2/#string ←
18:16:43 <Carsten> Alan: is the idea to have non-structural restrictions?
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Alan Ruttenberg: is the idea to have non-structural restrictions? ←
18:16:47 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
18:16:53 <Carsten> q+
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q+ ←
18:17:05 <Ivan> q+
Ivan Herman: q+ ←
18:17:25 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
18:17:34 <Carsten> zakim, unmute me
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zakim, unmute me ←
18:17:34 <Zakim> Carsten should no longer be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: Carsten should no longer be muted ←
18:17:39 <IanH> ack Carsten
Ian Horrocks: ack Carsten ←
18:18:32 <msmith> alanr - in the current proposal, inequalities are for reals only
Michael Smith: alanr - in the current proposal, inequalities are for reals only ←
18:18:34 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
18:18:37 <Carsten> zakim, mute me
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zakim, mute me ←
18:18:37 <Zakim> Carsten should now be muted
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18:18:50 <Carsten> as long as they are all in the "required" part, no problem
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as long as they are all in the "required" part, no problem ←
18:18:54 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
18:19:11 <Carsten> exactly
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exactly ←
18:19:38 <JeremyCarroll> q+ to ask about other XSD types ..
Jeremy Carroll: q+ to ask about other XSD types .. ←
18:19:41 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
18:19:46 <Carsten> Alan: so we just say that: if you use optional and combine them, you are not guaranteed to be decidable
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Alan Ruttenberg: so we just say that: if you use optional and combine them, you are not guaranteed to be decidable ←
18:19:51 <IanH> ack Ivan
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18:20:10 <Carsten> Ivan: I am lost on how to express all that in RDF
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Ivan Herman: I am lost on how to express all that in RDF ←
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18:20:45 <msmith> q+ on mathml
Michael Smith: q+ on mathml ←
18:20:56 <Carsten> Uli: one of the various issues we have to address if people like the proposal in general
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Uli Sattler: one of the various issues we have to address if people like the proposal in general ←
18:21:00 <JeremyCarroll> q- on
Jeremy Carroll: q- on ←
18:21:00 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
18:21:03 <JeremyCarroll> q- mathml
Jeremy Carroll: q- mathml ←
18:21:12 <msmith> q+ to respond on mathml
Michael Smith: q+ to respond on mathml ←
18:22:11 <IanH> ack JeremyCarroll
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18:22:11 <Zakim> JeremyCarroll, you wanted to ask about other XSD types ..
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18:22:48 <Carsten> Jeremy: how does the proposal constrain the interaction between these predicates and the XSD types
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Jeremy Carroll: how does the proposal constrain the interaction between these predicates and the XSD types ←
18:23:15 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
18:23:25 <Carsten> Uli: it doesn't constrain; as long as you use the required ones, you will be fine. When you use user-defined ones, it's your own responsibility
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Uli Sattler: it doesn't constrain; as long as you use the required ones, you will be fine. When you use user-defined ones, it's your own responsibility ←
18:24:00 <Carsten> Jeremy: we should encourage ontology designers to use mathematically more clean datatypes like real and integer, but not machine datatypes like byte and float
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Jeremy Carroll: we should encourage ontology designers to use mathematically more clean datatypes like real and integer, but not machine datatypes like byte and float ←
18:24:06 <Carsten> Uli: yes
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Uli Sattler: yes ←
18:24:16 <JeremyCarroll> ^we should^is this proposal that we should^
Jeremy Carroll: ^we should^is this proposal that we should^ ←
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18:24:56 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
18:25:02 <IanH> ack msmith
Ian Horrocks: ack msmith ←
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18:25:05 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
18:25:44 <Carsten> mike: bijan left this open until there is support for the proposal by the group
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Michael Smith: bijan left this open until there is support for the proposal by the group ←
18:25:56 <Carsten> (this = RDF mapping)
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(this = RDF mapping) ←
18:26:05 <Ivan> q+
Ivan Herman: q+ ←
18:26:08 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
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18:26:41 <Carsten> strawpoll formulation?
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strawpoll formulation? ←
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18:27:35 <msmith> ivan, I don't really understand what the RDF rqmts might be. if you could send me an email outlining them, it'd help.
Michael Smith: ivan, I don't really understand what the RDF rqmts might be. if you could send me an email outlining them, it'd help. ←
18:27:36 <Ivan> +1
Ivan Herman: +1 ←
18:27:36 <JeremyCarroll> -1
Jeremy Carroll: -1 ←
18:27:37 <pfps> +1 (half a datatype, half a datatype, half a datatype onward)
Peter Patel-Schneider: +1 (half a datatype, half a datatype, half a datatype onward) ←
18:27:38 <Carsten> STRAWPOLL: carry on with n-ary datatypes?
STRAWPOLL: carry on with n-ary datatypes? ←
18:27:39 <JeffP> +1
18:27:40 <alanr> 0
Alan Ruttenberg: 0 ←
18:27:41 <Achille> 0
Achille Fokoue: 0 ←
18:27:41 <Carsten> +1
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+1 ←
18:27:42 <MarkusK> +1
Markus Krötzsch: +1 ←
18:27:42 <msmith> +1
Michael Smith: +1 ←
18:27:44 <MartinD> +1
Martin Dzbor: +1 ←
18:27:44 <JeremyCarroll> -1
Jeremy Carroll: -1 ←
18:27:47 <sandro> +1
Sandro Hawke: +1 ←
18:27:48 <Zhe> 0 (need more time to understand)
Zhe Wu: 0 (need more time to understand) ←
18:27:52 <calvanese> +1
Diego Calvanese: +1 ←
18:27:55 <bcuencagrau> +1
18:27:59 <Carsten> explanation from Jeremy?
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explanation from Jeremy? ←
18:28:12 <Carsten> yes
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yes ←
18:28:17 <Carsten> I would be interested to know
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I would be interested to know ←
18:28:45 <Carsten> Jeremy: HP was very opposed; I can re-consult with colleagues to check; looks better now
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Jeremy Carroll: HP was very opposed; I can re-consult with colleagues to check; looks better now ←
18:29:04 <JeremyCarroll> ^looks better now^not that much better^
Jeremy Carroll: ^looks better now^not that much better^ ←
18:29:08 <uli> yes
Uli Sattler: yes ←
18:29:23 <Carsten> STRAWPOLL: should n-ary datatypes include optional datatype + predicates?
STRAWPOLL: should n-ary datatypes include optional datatype + predicates? ←
18:29:34 <Carsten> +1
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Scribe problem: the name 'Carsten' does not match any of the 53 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Achille Fokoue Alan Ruttenberg Anne Cregan Bernardo Cuenca Grau Bijan Parsia Boris Motik Christine Golbreich Conrad Bock Deborah McGuinness Diego Calvanese Doug Lenat Elisa Kendall Enrico Franconi Evan Wallace Evren Sirin Fabian Neuhaus Fabien Gandon Giorgos Stamou Giorgos Stoilos Héctor Pérez Urbina Ian Horrocks Ivan Herman Jeff Pan Jeremy Carroll Jie Bao Joanne Luciano Jonathan Rees Kendall Clark Markus Krötzsch Martin Dzbor Michael Sintek Michael Smith Michael Schneider Michel Dumontier Olivier Corby Pascal Hitzler Peter Haase Peter Patel-Schneider Ratnesh Sahay Rinke Hoekstra Sandro Hawke Steve Battle Suzette Stoutenburg Tommie Meyer Uli Sattler Vassilis Tzouvaras Vipul Kashyap Vit Novacek Vojtech Svatek Zhe Wu Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
+1 ←
18:29:36 <JeremyCarroll> ACTION: Jeremy clarify HP position on n-ary datatypes
ACTION: Jeremy clarify HP position on n-ary datatypes ←
18:29:36 <trackbot-ng> Created ACTION-146 - Clarify HP position on n-ary datatypes [on Jeremy Carroll - due 2008-05-07].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-146 - Clarify HP position on n-ary datatypes [on Jeremy Carroll - due 2008-05-07]. ←
18:29:40 <alanr> 0
Alan Ruttenberg: 0 ←
18:29:42 <Zhe> 0
18:29:45 <bcuencagrau> 0
18:29:46 <MartinD> 0
Martin Dzbor: 0 ←
18:29:46 <calvanese> +1
Diego Calvanese: +1 ←
18:29:46 <Ivan> 0
Ivan Herman: 0 ←
18:29:47 <MarkusK> +1
Markus Krötzsch: +1 ←
18:29:47 <Achille> 0
Achille Fokoue: 0 ←
18:29:48 <JeffP> +1
18:29:49 <pfps> +1 (minus some very small epsilon)
Peter Patel-Schneider: +1 (minus some very small epsilon) ←
18:29:50 <sandro> 0
Sandro Hawke: 0 ←
18:29:51 <msmith> +1
Michael Smith: +1 ←
18:29:52 <JeremyCarroll> 0
Jeremy Carroll: 0 ←
18:29:58 <uli> zakim, mute me
Uli Sattler: zakim, mute me ←
18:29:58 <Zakim> uli was already muted, uli
Zakim IRC Bot: uli was already muted, uli ←
18:30:56 <Carsten> Alan: a crucial point seems to be the RDF mapping
Scribe problem: the name 'Carsten' does not match any of the 53 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Achille Fokoue Alan Ruttenberg Anne Cregan Bernardo Cuenca Grau Bijan Parsia Boris Motik Christine Golbreich Conrad Bock Deborah McGuinness Diego Calvanese Doug Lenat Elisa Kendall Enrico Franconi Evan Wallace Evren Sirin Fabian Neuhaus Fabien Gandon Giorgos Stamou Giorgos Stoilos Héctor Pérez Urbina Ian Horrocks Ivan Herman Jeff Pan Jeremy Carroll Jie Bao Joanne Luciano Jonathan Rees Kendall Clark Markus Krötzsch Martin Dzbor Michael Sintek Michael Smith Michael Schneider Michel Dumontier Olivier Corby Pascal Hitzler Peter Haase Peter Patel-Schneider Ratnesh Sahay Rinke Hoekstra Sandro Hawke Steve Battle Suzette Stoutenburg Tommie Meyer Uli Sattler Vassilis Tzouvaras Vipul Kashyap Vit Novacek Vojtech Svatek Zhe Wu Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
Alan Ruttenberg: a crucial point seems to be the RDF mapping ←
18:30:57 <sandro> zakim, list attendees
Sandro Hawke: zakim, list attendees ←
18:30:57 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been IanH, bmotik, MartinD, pfps, bcuencagrau, Carsten, Alan, uli, JeremyCarroll, Ivan, Ratnesh, Achille, msmith, Zhe, MarkusK, Sandro,
Zakim IRC Bot: As of this point the attendees have been IanH, bmotik, MartinD, pfps, bcuencagrau, Carsten, Alan, uli, JeremyCarroll, Ivan, Ratnesh, Achille, msmith, Zhe, MarkusK, Sandro, ←
18:31:01 <Zakim> ... calvanese, Alan_Ruttenberg
Zakim IRC Bot: ... calvanese, Alan_Ruttenberg ←
18:31:04 <Zhe> thanks
18:31:05 <Ivan> bye everybody
Ivan Herman: bye everybody ←
18:31:06 <alanr> thanks Ian!
Alan Ruttenberg: thanks Ian! ←
18:31:07 <MarkusK> bye
Markus Krötzsch: bye ←
18:31:08 <Zakim> -bmotik
Zakim IRC Bot: -bmotik ←
18:31:09 <Zakim> -MarkusK
Zakim IRC Bot: -MarkusK ←
18:31:10 <calvanese> bye
Diego Calvanese: bye ←
18:31:11 <Zakim> -Ivan
Zakim IRC Bot: -Ivan ←
18:31:12 <Zakim> -msmith
Zakim IRC Bot: -msmith ←
18:31:12 <Zakim> -Achille
Zakim IRC Bot: -Achille ←
18:31:13 <MartinD> bye
Martin Dzbor: bye ←
18:31:13 <Zakim> -Ratnesh
Zakim IRC Bot: -Ratnesh ←
18:31:13 <Zakim> -Zhe
Zakim IRC Bot: -Zhe ←
18:31:14 <Ratnesh> bye
Ratnesh Sahay: bye ←
18:31:15 <Zakim> -calvanese
Zakim IRC Bot: -calvanese ←
18:31:15 <JeffP> bye
18:31:17 <Zakim> -IanH
Zakim IRC Bot: -IanH ←
18:31:17 <uli> bye
Uli Sattler: bye ←
18:31:17 <Zakim> -Alan_Ruttenberg
Zakim IRC Bot: -Alan_Ruttenberg ←
18:31:19 <Zakim> -MartinD
Zakim IRC Bot: -MartinD ←
18:31:20 <sandro> Carsten, hang on 3 minutes for the minutes to be ready for you?>
Sandro Hawke: Carsten, hang on 3 minutes for the minutes to be ready for you?> ←
18:31:21 <Zakim> -Carsten
Scribe problem: the name 'Carsten' does not match any of the 53 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Achille Fokoue Alan Ruttenberg Anne Cregan Bernardo Cuenca Grau Bijan Parsia Boris Motik Christine Golbreich Conrad Bock Deborah McGuinness Diego Calvanese Doug Lenat Elisa Kendall Enrico Franconi Evan Wallace Evren Sirin Fabian Neuhaus Fabien Gandon Giorgos Stamou Giorgos Stoilos Héctor Pérez Urbina Ian Horrocks Ivan Herman Jeff Pan Jeremy Carroll Jie Bao Joanne Luciano Jonathan Rees Kendall Clark Markus Krötzsch Martin Dzbor Michael Sintek Michael Smith Michael Schneider Michel Dumontier Olivier Corby Pascal Hitzler Peter Haase Peter Patel-Schneider Ratnesh Sahay Rinke Hoekstra Sandro Hawke Steve Battle Suzette Stoutenburg Tommie Meyer Uli Sattler Vassilis Tzouvaras Vipul Kashyap Vit Novacek Vojtech Svatek Zhe Wu Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
Zakim IRC Bot: -Carsten ←
18:31:23 <Zakim> -bcuencagrau
Zakim IRC Bot: -bcuencagrau ←
18:31:26 <Zakim> -Sandro
Zakim IRC Bot: -Sandro ←
18:31:50 <IanH> Carsten: you still there?
Scribe problem: the name 'Carsten' does not match any of the 53 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Achille Fokoue Alan Ruttenberg Anne Cregan Bernardo Cuenca Grau Bijan Parsia Boris Motik Christine Golbreich Conrad Bock Deborah McGuinness Diego Calvanese Doug Lenat Elisa Kendall Enrico Franconi Evan Wallace Evren Sirin Fabian Neuhaus Fabien Gandon Giorgos Stamou Giorgos Stoilos Héctor Pérez Urbina Ian Horrocks Ivan Herman Jeff Pan Jeremy Carroll Jie Bao Joanne Luciano Jonathan Rees Kendall Clark Markus Krötzsch Martin Dzbor Michael Sintek Michael Smith Michael Schneider Michel Dumontier Olivier Corby Pascal Hitzler Peter Haase Peter Patel-Schneider Ratnesh Sahay Rinke Hoekstra Sandro Hawke Steve Battle Suzette Stoutenburg Tommie Meyer Uli Sattler Vassilis Tzouvaras Vipul Kashyap Vit Novacek Vojtech Svatek Zhe Wu Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
Unknown Carsten: you still there? [ Scribe Assist by Ian Horrocks ] ←
18:31:52 <Zakim> -JeremyCarroll
Zakim IRC Bot: -JeremyCarroll ←
18:31:54 <Carsten> Can anybody pls help me in moving the minutes to where they belong?
Scribe problem: the name 'Carsten' does not match any of the 53 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Achille Fokoue Alan Ruttenberg Anne Cregan Bernardo Cuenca Grau Bijan Parsia Boris Motik Christine Golbreich Conrad Bock Deborah McGuinness Diego Calvanese Doug Lenat Elisa Kendall Enrico Franconi Evan Wallace Evren Sirin Fabian Neuhaus Fabien Gandon Giorgos Stamou Giorgos Stoilos Héctor Pérez Urbina Ian Horrocks Ivan Herman Jeff Pan Jeremy Carroll Jie Bao Joanne Luciano Jonathan Rees Kendall Clark Markus Krötzsch Martin Dzbor Michael Sintek Michael Smith Michael Schneider Michel Dumontier Olivier Corby Pascal Hitzler Peter Haase Peter Patel-Schneider Ratnesh Sahay Rinke Hoekstra Sandro Hawke Steve Battle Suzette Stoutenburg Tommie Meyer Uli Sattler Vassilis Tzouvaras Vipul Kashyap Vit Novacek Vojtech Svatek Zhe Wu Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
Scribe problem: the name 'Carsten' does not match any of the 53 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Achille Fokoue Alan Ruttenberg Anne Cregan Bernardo Cuenca Grau Bijan Parsia Boris Motik Christine Golbreich Conrad Bock Deborah McGuinness Diego Calvanese Doug Lenat Elisa Kendall Enrico Franconi Evan Wallace Evren Sirin Fabian Neuhaus Fabien Gandon Giorgos Stamou Giorgos Stoilos Héctor Pérez Urbina Ian Horrocks Ivan Herman Jeff Pan Jeremy Carroll Jie Bao Joanne Luciano Jonathan Rees Kendall Clark Markus Krötzsch Martin Dzbor Michael Sintek Michael Smith Michael Schneider Michel Dumontier Olivier Corby Pascal Hitzler Peter Haase Peter Patel-Schneider Ratnesh Sahay Rinke Hoekstra Sandro Hawke Steve Battle Suzette Stoutenburg Tommie Meyer Uli Sattler Vassilis Tzouvaras Vipul Kashyap Vit Novacek Vojtech Svatek Zhe Wu Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
Can anybody pls help me in moving the minutes to where they belong? ←
18:31:59 <IanH> Yes
Ian Horrocks: Yes ←
18:32:06 <Carsten> Ian: yes, but only IRC, not phone
Scribe problem: the name 'Carsten' does not match any of the 53 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Achille Fokoue Alan Ruttenberg Anne Cregan Bernardo Cuenca Grau Bijan Parsia Boris Motik Christine Golbreich Conrad Bock Deborah McGuinness Diego Calvanese Doug Lenat Elisa Kendall Enrico Franconi Evan Wallace Evren Sirin Fabian Neuhaus Fabien Gandon Giorgos Stamou Giorgos Stoilos Héctor Pérez Urbina Ian Horrocks Ivan Herman Jeff Pan Jeremy Carroll Jie Bao Joanne Luciano Jonathan Rees Kendall Clark Markus Krötzsch Martin Dzbor Michael Sintek Michael Smith Michael Schneider Michel Dumontier Olivier Corby Pascal Hitzler Peter Haase Peter Patel-Schneider Ratnesh Sahay Rinke Hoekstra Sandro Hawke Steve Battle Suzette Stoutenburg Tommie Meyer Uli Sattler Vassilis Tzouvaras Vipul Kashyap Vit Novacek Vojtech Svatek Zhe Wu Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
Ian Horrocks: yes, but only IRC, not phone ←
18:32:07 <IanH> Sandro is doing this I think
Ian Horrocks: Sandro is doing this I think ←
18:32:14 <IanH> IRC is enough
Ian Horrocks: IRC is enough ←
18:32:21 <Zakim> -uli
Zakim IRC Bot: -uli ←
18:32:22 <sandro> Present: IanH, bmotik, MartinD, pfps, bcuencagrau, Carsten, Alan, uli, JeremyCarroll, Ivan, Ratnesh, Achille, msmith, Zhe, MarkusK, Sandro, calvanese, Alan_Ruttenberg
Scribe problem: the name 'Carsten' does not match any of the 50 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Achille Fokoue Alan Ruttenberg Anne Cregan Bernardo Cuenca Grau Bijan Parsia Boris Motik Christine Golbreich Conrad Bock Deborah McGuinness Diego Calvanese Doug Lenat Elisa Kendall Enrico Franconi Evan Wallace Evren Sirin Fabian Neuhaus Fabien Gandon Giorgos Stamou Giorgos Stoilos Héctor Pérez Urbina Ian Horrocks Ivan Herman Jeff Pan Jeremy Carroll Jie Bao Joanne Luciano Jonathan Rees Kendall Clark Markus Krötzsch Martin Dzbor Michael Sintek Michael Smith Michael Schneider Michel Dumontier Olivier Corby Pascal Hitzler Peter Haase Peter Patel-Schneider Ratnesh Sahay Rinke Hoekstra Sandro Hawke Steve Battle Suzette Stoutenburg Tommie Meyer Uli Sattler Vassilis Tzouvaras Vipul Kashyap Vit Novacek Vojtech Svatek Zhe Wu
18:32:33 <IanH> We need some magic invocation that I always forget
Ian Horrocks: We need some magic invocation that I always forget ←
18:32:34 <Zakim> -pfps
Zakim IRC Bot: -pfps ←
18:32:35 <Zakim> SW_OWL()12:00PM has ended
Zakim IRC Bot: SW_OWL()12:00PM has ended ←
18:32:36 <Zakim> Attendees were IanH, bmotik, MartinD, pfps, bcuencagrau, Carsten, Alan, uli, JeremyCarroll, Ivan, Ratnesh, Achille, msmith, Zhe, MarkusK, Sandro, calvanese, Alan_Ruttenberg
Zakim IRC Bot: Attendees were IanH, bmotik, MartinD, pfps, bcuencagrau, Carsten, Alan, uli, JeremyCarroll, Ivan, Ratnesh, Achille, msmith, Zhe, MarkusK, Sandro, calvanese, Alan_Ruttenberg ←
18:32:48 <IanH> Sandro?
Ian Horrocks: Sandro? ←
18:32:54 <sandro> Yes, doing it, IanH
Sandro Hawke: Yes, doing it, IanH ←
18:32:59 <Carsten> thanks, sandro
thanks, sandro ←
18:33:01 <IanH> Thanks
Ian Horrocks: Thanks ←
18:33:49 <sandro> Okay. http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/wiki/Teleconference.2008.04.30/Minutes is ready for editing, Carsten.
Sandro Hawke: Okay. http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/wiki/Teleconference.2008.04.30/Minutes is ready for editing, Carsten. ←
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