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15:02:04 <RRSAgent> logging to http://www.w3.org/2008/03/03-owl-irc
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15:02:14 <alanr> zakim, this is owl
Alan Ruttenberg: zakim, this is owl ←
15:02:14 <Zakim> ok, alanr; that matches SW_OWL()10:00AM
Zakim IRC Bot: ok, alanr; that matches SW_OWL()10:00AM ←
15:02:47 <IanH> zakim, who is on the call?
Ian Horrocks: zakim, who is on the call? ←
15:02:47 <Zakim> On the phone I see Peter_Patel-Schneider, ??P9, Alan, Elisa_Kendall, Evan_Wallace
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see Peter_Patel-Schneider, ??P9, Alan, Elisa_Kendall, Evan_Wallace ←
15:03:00 <IanH> zakim, ??P9 is IanH
Ian Horrocks: zakim, ??P9 is IanH ←
15:03:00 <Zakim> +IanH; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +IanH; got it ←
15:03:15 <alanr> zakim, ??P9 is IanH
Alan Ruttenberg: zakim, ??P9 is IanH ←
15:03:15 <Zakim> I already had ??P9 as IanH, alanr
Zakim IRC Bot: I already had ??P9 as IanH, alanr ←
15:03:34 <alanr> zakim, who is here?
Alan Ruttenberg: zakim, who is here? ←
15:03:34 <Zakim> On the phone I see Peter_Patel-Schneider, IanH, Alan, Elisa_Kendall, Evan_Wallace
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see Peter_Patel-Schneider, IanH, Alan, Elisa_Kendall, Evan_Wallace ←
15:03:39 <Zakim> On IRC I see RRSAgent, Zakim, Elisa, alanr, pfps, IanH, sandro, trackbot-ng, ewallace
Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see RRSAgent, Zakim, Elisa, alanr, pfps, IanH, sandro, trackbot-ng, ewallace ←
15:04:19 <IanH> zakim, mute me
Ian Horrocks: zakim, mute me ←
15:04:19 <Zakim> IanH should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: IanH should now be muted ←
15:06:17 <IanH> I just pinged Bijan and he will be joining shortly.
Ian Horrocks: I just pinged Bijan and he will be joining shortly. ←
15:08:02 <Zakim> +??P24
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P24 ←
15:09:03 <alanr> my ontology talk http://ashby.csail.mit.edu/presentations/Interontology08.ppt
Alan Ruttenberg: my ontology talk http://ashby.csail.mit.edu/presentations/Interontology08.ppt ←
15:09:23 <alanr> Agenda: Next steps for Primer
15:09:32 <alanr> 2) Overview ideas from Elisa
Alan Ruttenberg: 2) Overview ideas from Elisa ←
15:09:33 <bijan> zakim, mute me
Bijan Parsia: zakim, mute me ←
15:09:33 <Zakim> sorry, bijan, I do not know which phone connection belongs to you
Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, bijan, I do not know which phone connection belongs to you ←
15:09:41 <alanr> 3) Reference Material / Evan
Alan Ruttenberg: 3) Reference Material / Evan ←
15:09:44 <bijan> zakim, who is here?
Bijan Parsia: zakim, who is here? ←
15:09:45 <Zakim> On the phone I see Peter_Patel-Schneider, IanH (muted), Alan, Elisa_Kendall, Evan_Wallace, ??P24
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see Peter_Patel-Schneider, IanH (muted), Alan, Elisa_Kendall, Evan_Wallace, ??P24 ←
15:09:47 <alanr> 4) Cookbook?
Alan Ruttenberg: 4) Cookbook? ←
15:09:47 <Zakim> On IRC I see bijan, RRSAgent, Zakim, Elisa, alanr, pfps, IanH, sandro, trackbot-ng, ewallace
Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see bijan, RRSAgent, Zakim, Elisa, alanr, pfps, IanH, sandro, trackbot-ng, ewallace ←
15:09:54 <bijan> zakim, ??P24 is me
Bijan Parsia: zakim, ??P24 is me ←
15:09:54 <Zakim> +bijan; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +bijan; got it ←
15:09:56 <bijan> zakim, mute me
Bijan Parsia: zakim, mute me ←
15:09:56 <Zakim> bijan should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: bijan should now be muted ←
15:10:02 <Zakim> -Peter_Patel-Schneider
Zakim IRC Bot: -Peter_Patel-Schneider ←
15:10:23 <alanr> waiting for you to reconnect, peter
Alan Ruttenberg: waiting for you to reconnect, peter ←
15:10:30 <Zakim> +Peter_Patel-Schneider
Zakim IRC Bot: +Peter_Patel-Schneider ←
15:11:20 <IanH> Remember the reset button on early apples?
Ian Horrocks: Remember the reset button on early apples? ←
15:12:04 <bijan> +1 (am working toward that)
Bijan Parsia: +1 (am working toward that) ←
15:12:07 <pfps> earlier would be better
Peter Patel-Schneider: earlier would be better ←
15:12:11 <ewallace> +1
Evan Wallace: +1 ←
15:12:13 <IanH> +1 sounds good
Ian Horrocks: +1 sounds good ←
15:12:17 <alanr> +1
Alan Ruttenberg: +1 ←
15:12:22 <Elisa> +1 for me -1 for Deb
Elisa Kendall: +1 for me -1 for Deb ←
15:13:39 <bijan> zakim, unmute me
Bijan Parsia: zakim, unmute me ←
15:13:39 <Zakim> bijan should no longer be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: bijan should no longer be muted ←
15:13:40 <bijan> q+
Bijan Parsia: q+ ←
15:14:28 <bijan> zakim, unmute me
Bijan Parsia: zakim, unmute me ←
15:14:28 <Zakim> bijan was not muted, bijan
Zakim IRC Bot: bijan was not muted, bijan ←
15:14:38 <alanr> q+
Alan Ruttenberg: q+ ←
15:15:22 <alanr> previous vote was whether to aim for FPWD of primer for next heartbeat
Alan Ruttenberg: previous vote was whether to aim for FPWD of primer for next heartbeat ←
15:15:33 <alanr> Deb: Worried about Overview happening
Deborah McGuinness: Worried about Overview happening [ Scribe Assist by Alan Ruttenberg ] ←
15:15:46 <alanr> Deb: Wants to couple 2 in order to make sure it does
Deborah McGuinness: Wants to couple 2 in order to make sure it does [ Scribe Assist by Alan Ruttenberg ] ←
15:16:24 <bijan> There will be other opportunities to object, even tactically
Bijan Parsia: There will be other opportunities to object, even tactically ←
15:16:43 <bijan> But there's no promises that the wg will endorse an overview!
Bijan Parsia: But there's no promises that the wg will endorse an overview! ←
15:17:07 <alanr> Alan: We are committed to overview, but blocking one for the other is not a good argument.
Alan Ruttenberg: We are committed to overview, but blocking one for the other is not a good argument. [ Scribe Assist by Alan Ruttenberg ] ←
15:18:02 <bijan> q+
Bijan Parsia: q+ ←
15:18:05 <alanr> Alan: Doesn't hear objection from deb about primer per se.
Alan Ruttenberg: Doesn't hear objection from deb about primer per se. [ Scribe Assist by Alan Ruttenberg ] ←
15:18:08 <alanr> ack bijan
Alan Ruttenberg: ack bijan ←
15:18:21 <alanr> ack alanr
Alan Ruttenberg: ack alanr ←
15:18:36 <alanr> ack Bijan
Alan Ruttenberg: ack Bijan ←
15:19:02 <Elisa> The concern is that an overview/quickstart document is really needed by some of her customers, and that the primer alone doesn't provide this functionality
Elisa Kendall: The concern is that an overview/quickstart document is really needed by some of her customers, and that the primer alone doesn't provide this functionality ←
15:19:06 <alanr> Alan: General sense is that Primer should move forward
Alan Ruttenberg: General sense is that Primer should move forward [ Scribe Assist by Alan Ruttenberg ] ←
15:19:36 <Elisa> The idea would be to make sure that this kind of document is addressed by the WG
Elisa Kendall: The idea would be to make sure that this kind of document is addressed by the WG ←
15:20:27 <alanr> Bijan asks what how to decide which materials in the wg, which not
Alan Ruttenberg: Bijan asks what how to decide which materials in the wg, which not ←
15:20:34 <alanr> asks elisa to respond
Alan Ruttenberg: asks elisa to respond ←
15:20:50 <alanr> q+ to respond to Bijan as well
Alan Ruttenberg: q+ to respond to Bijan as well ←
15:20:59 <IanH> q+
Ian Horrocks: q+ ←
15:21:41 <alanr> We should discuss that
Alan Ruttenberg: We should discuss that ←
15:22:40 <alanr> Elisa: Document saying why you care, quick links, here's where to go if you want a deeper dive
Elisa Kendall: Document saying why you care, quick links, here's where to go if you want a deeper dive [ Scribe Assist by Alan Ruttenberg ] ←
15:24:23 <ewallace> Is there anything new to this discussion?
Evan Wallace: Is there anything new to this discussion? ←
15:24:39 <bijan> zakim, mute me
Bijan Parsia: zakim, mute me ←
15:24:39 <Zakim> bijan should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: bijan should now be muted ←
15:25:15 <bijan> ewallace, perhaps not, but I still don't know what the terms of debate are
Bijan Parsia: ewallace, perhaps not, but I still don't know what the terms of debate are ←
15:26:27 <bijan> (rather, the evaluation criteria)
Bijan Parsia: (rather, the evaluation criteria) ←
15:26:50 <alanr> 2) Overview
Alan Ruttenberg: 2) Overview ←
15:27:13 <pfps> so what is the end-status for the primer?
Peter Patel-Schneider: so what is the end-status for the primer? ←
15:27:40 <alanr> aim for FPWD, unencumbered
Alan Ruttenberg: aim for FPWD, unencumbered ←
15:28:26 <alanr> overview: relatively short
Scribe problem: the name 'overview' does not match any of the 49 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Achille Fokoue Alan Ruttenberg Anne Cregan Bernardo Cuenca Grau Bijan Parsia Boris Motik Conrad Bock Deborah McGuinness Doug Lenat Elisa Kendall Enrico Franconi Evan Wallace Evren Sirin Fabian Neuhaus Fabien Gandon Giorgos Stamou Giorgos Stoilos Héctor Pérez Urbina Ian Horrocks Ivan Herman James Hendler Jeff Pan Jeremy Carroll Joanne Luciano Jonathan Rees Markus Krötzsch Martin Dzbor Michael Sintek Michael Smith Michael Schneider Olivier Corby Pascal Hitzler Peter Haase Peter Patel-Schneider Ratnesh Sahay Rinke Hoekstra Sandro Hawke Steve Battle Suzette Stoutenburg Tommie Meyer Uli Sattler Vassilis Tzouvaras Vipul Kashyap Vit Novacek Vojtech Svatek Zhe Wu Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
Unknown overview: relatively short [ Scribe Assist by Alan Ruttenberg ] ←
15:28:56 <alanr> very short description of language at front. Document roadmap (2-3 sentences) if you need x go to document y
Alan Ruttenberg: very short description of language at front. Document roadmap (2-3 sentences) if you need x go to document y ←
15:29:12 <alanr> Decsription of what kind of application people are working on . What it's good for.
Alan Ruttenberg: Decsription of what kind of application people are working on . What it's good for. ←
15:29:17 <alanr> Summary of what's new.
Alan Ruttenberg: Summary of what's new. ←
15:29:47 <alanr> Feature summary like before. Each feature with a link.
Alan Ruttenberg: Feature summary like before. Each feature with a link. ←
15:30:06 <alanr> very short summary and links in to other documents.
Alan Ruttenberg: very short summary and links in to other documents. ←
15:30:31 <alanr> quick on a link and go.
Alan Ruttenberg: quick on a link and go. ←
15:30:40 <alanr> like card for programming language.
Alan Ruttenberg: like card for programming language. ←
15:30:44 <alanr> crib sheet.
Alan Ruttenberg: crib sheet. ←
15:30:46 <alanr> q+
Alan Ruttenberg: q+ ←
15:30:50 <alanr> ack alanr
Alan Ruttenberg: ack alanr ←
15:30:50 <Zakim> alanr, you wanted to respond to Bijan as well and to
Zakim IRC Bot: alanr, you wanted to respond to Bijan as well and to ←
15:31:11 <IanH> zakim, unmute me
Ian Horrocks: zakim, unmute me ←
15:31:11 <Zakim> IanH should no longer be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: IanH should no longer be muted ←
15:31:25 <IanH> ack ianh
Ian Horrocks: ack ianh ←
15:31:36 <alanr> q+
Alan Ruttenberg: q+ ←
15:31:38 <alanr> q?
Alan Ruttenberg: q? ←
15:33:27 <bijan> There's a semantic web reference card: http://ebiquity.umbc.edu/_file_directory_/resources/94.pdf
Bijan Parsia: There's a semantic web reference card: http://ebiquity.umbc.edu/_file_directory_/resources/94.pdf ←
15:33:39 <bijan> I have no idea how much its used
Bijan Parsia: I have no idea how much its used ←
15:34:13 <bijan> q+
Bijan Parsia: q+ ←
15:34:45 <alanr> ack alanr
Alan Ruttenberg: ack alanr ←
15:34:46 <bijan> ack bijan
Bijan Parsia: ack bijan ←
15:35:46 <alanr> Alan: Sees two audiences given Elisa's description. Risks same problem as before. Would be better if it was one audience and tight.
Alan Ruttenberg: Sees two audiences given Elisa's description. Risks same problem as before. Would be better if it was one audience and tight. [ Scribe Assist by Alan Ruttenberg ] ←
15:36:14 <alanr> Elisa: Maybe stuff about applications is separate. Perhaps mush of what Elisa wants with quick start and What Deb wants.
Elisa Kendall: Maybe stuff about applications is separate. Perhaps mush of what Elisa wants with quick start and What Deb wants. [ Scribe Assist by Alan Ruttenberg ] ←
15:36:57 <alanr> Alan: Perhaps two points of view re: "Language Features" - vocabulary centered view versus function centered view.
Alan Ruttenberg: Perhaps two points of view re: "Language Features" - vocabulary centered view versus function centered view. [ Scribe Assist by Alan Ruttenberg ] ←
15:37:01 <alanr> q+
Alan Ruttenberg: q+ ←
15:37:52 <alanr> one reason we had to direct to the "right" document before is that they weren't factored well, IMO
Alan Ruttenberg: one reason we had to direct to the "right" document before is that they weren't factored well, IMO ←
15:39:02 <alanr> q?
Alan Ruttenberg: q? ←
15:39:05 <IanH> q+
Ian Horrocks: q+ ←
15:39:44 <alanr> Elisa: Different sets of tags to run in to same set of documents.
Elisa Kendall: Different sets of tags to run in to same set of documents. [ Scribe Assist by Alan Ruttenberg ] ←
15:40:24 <bijan> That was on the proposal as well
Bijan Parsia: That was on the proposal as well ←
15:41:21 <bijan> no links
Bijan Parsia: no links ←
15:41:44 <pfps> I though that short was the basic idea here
Peter Patel-Schneider: I though that short was the basic idea here ←
15:41:50 <alanr> Elisa: Semantic web reference card, not quite right. Too short for what she was looking for.
Elisa Kendall: Semantic web reference card, not quite right. Too short for what she was looking for. [ Scribe Assist by Alan Ruttenberg ] ←
15:41:59 <bijan> Conrad spoke very highly of : http://www.w3.org/TR/owl-ref/#appC
Bijan Parsia: Conrad spoke very highly of : http://www.w3.org/TR/owl-ref/#appC ←
15:42:03 <bijan> whcih seems similar in detail
Bijan Parsia: whcih seems similar in detail ←
15:42:19 <bijan> Appendixes B and C
Bijan Parsia: Appendixes B and C ←
15:42:20 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
15:42:29 <alanr> ack alanr
Alan Ruttenberg: ack alanr ←
15:42:33 <alanr> q+
Alan Ruttenberg: q+ ←
15:43:24 <alanr> Ian: problem with overview "fell between two stools" (?) stools = thing to sit on, presumably ;-)
Ian Horrocks: problem with overview "fell between two stools" (?) stools = thing to sit on, presumably ;-) [ Scribe Assist by Alan Ruttenberg ] ←
15:43:54 <alanr> Ian: Likes SW reference card.
Ian Horrocks: Likes SW reference card. [ Scribe Assist by Alan Ruttenberg ] ←
15:44:04 <alanr> Elisa wants one like this that's alive.
Alan Ruttenberg: Elisa wants one like this that's alive. ←
15:44:08 <bijan> Look at the link to the section of the reference
Bijan Parsia: Look at the link to the section of the reference ←
15:44:17 <bijan> See: http://www.w3.org/TR/owl-ref/#appC
Scribe problem: the name 'See' does not match any of the 49 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Achille Fokoue Alan Ruttenberg Anne Cregan Bernardo Cuenca Grau Bijan Parsia Boris Motik Conrad Bock Deborah McGuinness Doug Lenat Elisa Kendall Enrico Franconi Evan Wallace Evren Sirin Fabian Neuhaus Fabien Gandon Giorgos Stamou Giorgos Stoilos Héctor Pérez Urbina Ian Horrocks Ivan Herman James Hendler Jeff Pan Jeremy Carroll Joanne Luciano Jonathan Rees Markus Krötzsch Martin Dzbor Michael Sintek Michael Smith Michael Schneider Olivier Corby Pascal Hitzler Peter Haase Peter Patel-Schneider Ratnesh Sahay Rinke Hoekstra Sandro Hawke Steve Battle Suzette Stoutenburg Tommie Meyer Uli Sattler Vassilis Tzouvaras Vipul Kashyap Vit Novacek Vojtech Svatek Zhe Wu Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
Unknown See: http://www.w3.org/TR/owl-ref/#appC [ Scribe Assist by Bijan Parsia ] ←
15:44:28 <alanr> Elisa: Maybe more than one.
Elisa Kendall: Maybe more than one. [ Scribe Assist by Alan Ruttenberg ] ←
15:44:42 <alanr> Ian: Bit too many things at once.
Ian Horrocks: Bit too many things at once. [ Scribe Assist by Alan Ruttenberg ] ←
15:45:44 <bijan> I definitely want to mark up the specs so one can extract and rearrange sections in a smart way...so that other folks can create arbitrary versions (instead of us doing every possible variant)
Bijan Parsia: I definitely want to mark up the specs so one can extract and rearrange sections in a smart way...so that other folks can create arbitrary versions (instead of us doing every possible variant) ←
15:46:03 <alanr> q?
Alan Ruttenberg: q? ←
15:46:08 <alanr> ack IanH
Alan Ruttenberg: ack IanH ←
15:46:23 <ewallace> The SW reference card is cool.
Evan Wallace: The SW reference card is cool. ←
15:46:34 <bijan> q+
Bijan Parsia: q+ ←
15:46:41 <alanr> Alan: Is typesetting/layout as important?
Alan Ruttenberg: Is typesetting/layout as important? [ Scribe Assist by Alan Ruttenberg ] ←
15:46:43 <IanH> I didn't want to say it wasn't a good effort.
Ian Horrocks: I didn't want to say it wasn't a good effort. ←
15:47:01 <alanr> Elisa: Important but not sure what ultimate layout it.
Elisa Kendall: Important but not sure what ultimate layout it. [ Scribe Assist by Alan Ruttenberg ] ←
15:47:16 <IanH> But it does try to cover an amazing amount of terrain
Ian Horrocks: But it does try to cover an amazing amount of terrain ←
15:47:45 <alanr> Would like to see 3rd column expanded, 4th with link. 1 to semantics, 1 to mapping etc.
Alan Ruttenberg: Would like to see middle column expanded, 4th with link. 1 to semantics, 1 to mapping etc. ←
15:47:49 <alanr> q?
Alan Ruttenberg: q? ←
15:47:58 <alanr> "coupled with quick start"?
Alan Ruttenberg: "coupled with quick start"? ←
15:48:01 <alanr> ack alanr?
Alan Ruttenberg: ack alanr? ←
15:48:03 <bijan> ack bijan
Bijan Parsia: ack bijan ←
15:48:09 <alanr> ack alanr
Alan Ruttenberg: ack alanr ←
15:48:15 <bijan> zakim, unmute me
Bijan Parsia: zakim, unmute me ←
15:48:15 <Zakim> bijan was not muted, bijan
Zakim IRC Bot: bijan was not muted, bijan ←
15:48:30 <alanr> q+ to ask what "coupled with quick start"? means
Alan Ruttenberg: q+ to ask what "coupled with quick start"? means ←
15:48:45 <alanr> s/3rd column/middle column/
15:49:15 <alanr> q?
Alan Ruttenberg: q? ←
15:49:27 <alanr> Bijan: Trying to arrange specs to this is even possible.
Bijan Parsia: Trying so arrange specs so this is even possible. [ Scribe Assist by Alan Ruttenberg ] ←
15:49:32 <alanr> s/to/so
15:50:07 <alanr> ack alanr
Alan Ruttenberg: ack alanr ←
15:50:07 <Zakim> alanr, you wanted to ask what "coupled with quick start"? means
Zakim IRC Bot: alanr, you wanted to ask what "coupled with quick start"? means ←
15:50:16 <bijan> zakim, mute me
Bijan Parsia: zakim, mute me ←
15:50:16 <Zakim> bijan should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: bijan should now be muted ←
15:50:26 <IanH> q+
Ian Horrocks: q+ ←
15:50:53 <IanH> zakim, unmute me
Ian Horrocks: zakim, unmute me ←
15:50:53 <Zakim> IanH should no longer be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: IanH should no longer be muted ←
15:51:38 <alanr> Ian: can see quick reference guides but don't know what this has to do with overview.
Ian Horrocks: can see quick reference guides but don't know what this has to do with overview. [ Scribe Assist by Alan Ruttenberg ] ←
15:52:24 <alanr> Deb
Alan Ruttenberg: Deb ←
15:52:45 <bijan> What about the intro of the primer?
Bijan Parsia: What about the intro of the primer? ←
15:52:54 <alanr> Deb's audience: People who fund projects who need introductory tests. High level intro to the semantic web and why you care.
Alan Ruttenberg: Deb's audience: People who fund projects who need introductory tests. High level intro to the semantic web and why you care. ←
15:53:05 <alanr> Elisa want quick guide.
Alan Ruttenberg: Elisa want quick guide. ←
15:53:27 <alanr> In the US have trouble getting people to fund these projects because they don't see the need.
Alan Ruttenberg: In the US have trouble getting people to fund these projects because they don't see the need. ←
15:54:12 <alanr> In the EU multilingual is more taken, but not here as much. Place where people can grab a couple of paragraphs to justify.
Alan Ruttenberg: In the EU multilingual is more taken, but not here as much. Place where people can grab a couple of paragraphs to justify. ←
15:54:42 <pfps> do we have a good idea of the totality of what is wanted by Deb?
Peter Patel-Schneider: do we have a good idea of the totality of what is wanted by Deb? ←
15:55:50 <bijan> Rec track?
Bijan Parsia: Rec track? ←
15:56:08 <bijan> -1 to rec track (esp. as a separate document)
Bijan Parsia: -1 to rec track (esp. as a separate document) ←
15:56:09 <pfps> why rec track?
Peter Patel-Schneider: why rec track? ←
15:56:19 <IanH> I also wonder why rec track?
Ian Horrocks: I also wonder why rec track? ←
15:56:21 <pfps> why separate document?
Peter Patel-Schneider: why separate document? ←
15:56:33 <bijan> q+
Bijan Parsia: q+ ←
15:56:39 <pfps> q+
15:56:40 <IanH> q-
Ian Horrocks: q- ←
15:56:50 <Elisa> It needs to have a separate, available, visible link to it - whether or not it's separate.
Elisa Kendall: It needs to have a separate, available, visible link to it - whether or not it's separate. ←
15:56:54 <alanr> ack Bijan
Alan Ruttenberg: ack Bijan ←
15:57:28 <ewallace> The quick guide could be an appendix to another of our documents.
Evan Wallace: The quick guide could be an appendix to another of our documents. ←
15:57:36 <Elisa> It would be fine with me if it isn't rec trak, but is linked on the home page from the documents right up at the top.
Elisa Kendall: It would be fine with me if it isn't rec trak, but is linked on the home page from the documents right up at the top. ←
15:57:36 <pfps> rec'edness
Peter Patel-Schneider: rec'edness ←
15:57:53 <alanr> ack pfps
Alan Ruttenberg: ack pfps ←
15:57:57 <bijan> zakim, mute me
Bijan Parsia: zakim, mute me ←
15:57:57 <Zakim> bijan should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: bijan should now be muted ←
15:58:24 <alanr> Bijan: Rec track is heavy/expensive
Bijan Parsia: Rec track is heavy/expensive [ Scribe Assist by Alan Ruttenberg ] ←
15:58:28 <bijan> And it burdens future working groups!
Bijan Parsia: And it burdens future working groups! ←
15:58:28 <alanr> Peter agrees.
Alan Ruttenberg: Peter agrees. ←
15:59:16 <alanr> q?
Alan Ruttenberg: q? ←
16:00:12 <bijan> I think we will need some index like thing (and have started on it), but I'm at the moment indifferent to the layout
Bijan Parsia: I think we will need some index like thing (and have started on it), but I'm at the moment indifferent to the layout ←
16:00:41 <pfps> +1 to index - I'm indifferent to whether it is an appendix or something on the home page
Peter Patel-Schneider: +1 to index - I'm indifferent to whether it is an appendix or something on the home page ←
16:00:49 <pfps> q+
16:01:18 <alanr> Alan: Looking for consensus on content, 1 pager.
Alan Ruttenberg: Looking for consensus on content, 1 pager. [ Scribe Assist by Alan Ruttenberg ] ←
16:01:34 <Elisa> I think layout is important and would like to see it be separate & printable on its own.
Elisa Kendall: I think layout is important and would like to see it be separate & printable on its own. ←
16:01:53 <alanr> peter worries about pushback on 1 page displayable anywhere.
Alan Ruttenberg: peter worries about pushback on 1 page displayable anywhere. ←
16:02:18 <alanr> q?
Alan Ruttenberg: q? ←
16:02:23 <alanr> ack pfps
Alan Ruttenberg: ack pfps ←
16:03:06 <bijan> q+
Bijan Parsia: q+ ←
16:03:29 <bijan> zakim, unmute me
Bijan Parsia: zakim, unmute me ←
16:03:29 <Zakim> bijan should no longer be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: bijan should no longer be muted ←
16:03:53 <alanr> q+ to point out that print version can have variant.
Alan Ruttenberg: q+ to point out that print version can have variant. ←
16:06:37 <alanr> ack bijan
Alan Ruttenberg: ack bijan ←
16:06:42 <alanr> ack alanr
Alan Ruttenberg: ack alanr ←
16:06:42 <Zakim> alanr, you wanted to point out that print version can have variant.
Zakim IRC Bot: alanr, you wanted to point out that print version can have variant. ←
16:08:05 <bijan> Also might be worth asking Tim Finin on how used the semweb card is
Bijan Parsia: Also might be worth asking Tim Finin on how used the semweb card is ←
16:08:14 <bijan> I do
Bijan Parsia: I do ←
16:08:16 <bijan> I'll ask
Bijan Parsia: I'll ask ←
16:08:28 <bijan> Jim had nothing to do with the card
Bijan Parsia: Jim had nothing to do with the card ←
16:08:50 <Elisa> perhaps he would know whether or not folks are using it, though
Elisa Kendall: perhaps he would know whether or not folks are using it, though ←
16:09:13 <IanH> What about Primer for FPWD -- what are we doing about that?
Ian Horrocks: What about Primer for FPWD -- what are we doing about that? ←
16:09:53 <ewallace> Should we do a review of the Primer pre-pub?
Evan Wallace: Should we do a review of the Primer pre-pub? ←
16:10:12 <pfps> I thought that review is needed - we need to identify reviewers
Peter Patel-Schneider: I thought that review is needed - we need to identify reviewers ←
16:10:22 <bijan> Elisa, perhaps...remember UMBC and UMCP aren't hte same institution :)
Bijan Parsia: Elisa, perhaps...remember UMBC and UMCP aren't hte same institution :) ←
16:10:27 <bijan> And Jim's at RPI now ;)
Bijan Parsia: And Jim's at RPI now ;) ←
16:10:32 <IanH> bye
Ian Horrocks: bye ←
16:10:32 <Zakim> -Evan_Wallace
Zakim IRC Bot: -Evan_Wallace ←
16:10:33 <Zakim> -Alan
Zakim IRC Bot: -Alan ←
16:10:34 <Zakim> -bijan
Zakim IRC Bot: -bijan ←
16:10:34 <Zakim> -Elisa_Kendall
Zakim IRC Bot: -Elisa_Kendall ←
16:10:37 <Zakim> -IanH
Zakim IRC Bot: -IanH ←
16:11:01 <alanr> Action: Alan to send note to WG summarizing feeling re: FPWD of Primer. We are going for it
ACTION: Alan to send note to WG summarizing feeling re: FPWD of Primer. We are going for it ←
16:11:01 <trackbot-ng> Created ACTION-96 - Send note to WG summarizing feeling re: FPWD of Primer. We are going for it [on Alan Ruttenberg - due 2008-03-10].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-96 - Send note to WG summarizing feeling re: FPWD of Primer. We are going for it [on Alan Ruttenberg - due 2008-03-10]. ←
16:11:10 <alanr> Action: Alan to send cookbook proposal
ACTION: Alan to send cookbook proposal ←
16:11:10 <trackbot-ng> Created ACTION-97 - Send cookbook proposal [on Alan Ruttenberg - due 2008-03-10].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-97 - Send cookbook proposal [on Alan Ruttenberg - due 2008-03-10]. ←
16:11:59 <alanr> Action: Alan to ask W3C view on "1 page printout?"
ACTION: Alan to ask W3C view on "1 page printout?" ←
16:11:59 <trackbot-ng> Created ACTION-98 - Ask W3C view on \"1 page printout?\" [on Alan Ruttenberg - due 2008-03-10].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-98 - Ask W3C view on \"1 page printout?\" [on Alan Ruttenberg - due 2008-03-10]. ←
16:13:20 <bijan> ewallace, you still here?
Bijan Parsia: ewallace, you still here? ←
16:15:38 <Zakim> disconnecting the lone participant, Peter_Patel-Schneider, in SW_OWL()10:00AM
Zakim IRC Bot: disconnecting the lone participant, Peter_Patel-Schneider, in SW_OWL()10:00AM ←
16:15:41 <Zakim> SW_OWL()10:00AM has ended
Zakim IRC Bot: SW_OWL()10:00AM has ended ←
16:15:42 <Zakim> Attendees were Peter_Patel-Schneider, Alan, Evan_Wallace, Elisa_Kendall, IanH, bijan
Zakim IRC Bot: Attendees were Peter_Patel-Schneider, Alan, Evan_Wallace, Elisa_Kendall, IanH, bijan ←
16:21:31 <alanr> rrsagent, draft minues
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Alan Ruttenberg: rrsagent, draft minues ←
16:21:31 <RRSAgent> I'm logging. I don't understand 'draft minues', alanr. Try /msg RRSAgent help
RRSAgent IRC Bot: I'm logging. I don't understand 'draft minues', alanr. Try /msg RRSAgent help ←
16:21:34 <alanr> rrsagent, draft minutes
Alan Ruttenberg: rrsagent, draft minutes ←
16:21:34 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/03/03-owl-minutes.html alanr
RRSAgent IRC Bot: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/03/03-owl-minutes.html alanr ←
16:21:46 <alanr> rrsagent, make minutes public
Alan Ruttenberg: rrsagent, make minutes public ←
16:21:46 <RRSAgent> I'm logging. I don't understand 'make minutes public', alanr. Try /msg RRSAgent help
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16:21:59 <alanr> rrsagent, make log world readable
Alan Ruttenberg: rrsagent, make log world readable ←
16:21:59 <RRSAgent> I'm logging. I don't understand 'make log world readable', alanr. Try /msg RRSAgent help
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16:22:05 <alanr> rrsagent, make log public
Alan Ruttenberg: rrsagent, make log public ←
17:02:24 <Conrad> The phone bridge is saying the conference is resrtricted.
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Conrad Bock: The phone bridge is saying the conference is resrtricted. ←
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