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17:55:58 <RRSAgent> logging to http://www.w3.org/2008/02/06-owl-irc
RRSAgent IRC Bot: logging to http://www.w3.org/2008/02/06-owl-irc ←
17:56:07 <bijan> zakim, this is owl
Bijan Parsia: zakim, this is owl ←
17:56:07 <Zakim> ok, bijan; that matches SW_OWL()12:00PM
Zakim IRC Bot: ok, bijan; that matches SW_OWL()12:00PM ←
17:56:08 <alanr> rrsagent, bookmark?
Alan Ruttenberg: rrsagent, bookmark? ←
17:56:08 <RRSAgent> See http://www.w3.org/2008/02/06-owl-irc#T17-56-08
RRSAgent IRC Bot: See http://www.w3.org/2008/02/06-owl-irc#T17-56-08 ←
17:56:13 <bijan> zakim, who is here?
Bijan Parsia: zakim, who is here? ←
17:56:13 <Zakim> On the phone I see ??P6, +1.301.527.aaaa
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see ??P6, +1.301.527.aaaa ←
17:56:14 <Zakim> On IRC I see bmotik, RRSAgent, Zakim, alanr, hendler, ewallace, MarkusK, Rinke, Carsten, uli, msmith, bijan, MartinD, sandro, trackbot-ng
Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see bmotik, RRSAgent, Zakim, alanr, hendler, ewallace, MarkusK, Rinke, Carsten, uli, msmith, bijan, MartinD, sandro, trackbot-ng ←
17:56:17 <alanr> rrsagent, make log world-readable
Alan Ruttenberg: rrsagent, make log world-readable ←
17:56:23 <bijan> zakim, ??P6 is me
Bijan Parsia: zakim, ??P6 is me ←
17:56:23 <Zakim> +bijan; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +bijan; got it ←
17:56:27 <bijan> zakim, mute me
Bijan Parsia: zakim, mute me ←
17:56:27 <Zakim> bijan should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: bijan should now be muted ←
17:56:37 <alanr> zakim, aaaa is me
Alan Ruttenberg: zakim, aaaa is me ←
17:56:37 <Zakim> +alanr; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +alanr; got it ←
17:56:39 <Zakim> +??P5
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P5 ←
17:56:46 <bmotik> Zakim, ??P5 is me
Boris Motik: Zakim, ??P5 is me ←
17:56:46 <Zakim> +bmotik; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +bmotik; got it ←
17:56:56 <bmotik> Zakim, mute me
Boris Motik: Zakim, mute me ←
17:56:56 <Zakim> bmotik should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: bmotik should now be muted ←
17:56:57 <Zakim> +??P8
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P8 ←
17:57:13 <uli> zakim, ??P8 is me
Uli Sattler: zakim, ??P8 is me ←
17:57:13 <Zakim> +uli; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +uli; got it ←
17:57:17 <Zakim> + +31.20.525.aabb
Zakim IRC Bot: + +31.20.525.aabb ←
17:57:20 <uli> zakim, mute me
Uli Sattler: zakim, mute me ←
17:57:22 <Zakim> uli should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: uli should now be muted ←
17:57:23 <Rinke> Zakim, aabb is me
Rinke Hoekstra: Zakim, aabb is me ←
17:57:30 <Zakim> +Rinke; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +Rinke; got it ←
17:57:43 <Zakim> +??P0
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P0 ←
17:58:07 <Zakim> +msmith
Zakim IRC Bot: +msmith ←
17:58:45 <Zakim> +Jim
Zakim IRC Bot: +Jim ←
17:58:52 <Zakim> +??P4
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P4 ←
17:58:56 <hendler> zakim, I am jhendler
James Hendler: zakim, I am jhendler ←
17:58:56 <Zakim> sorry, hendler, I do not see a party named 'jhendler'
Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, hendler, I do not see a party named 'jhendler' ←
17:58:58 <m_schnei> zakim, mute me
Michael Schneider: zakim, mute me ←
17:58:58 <Zakim> sorry, m_schnei, I do not know which phone connection belongs to you
Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, m_schnei, I do not know which phone connection belongs to you ←
17:59:05 <hendler> zakim, I am Jim
James Hendler: zakim, I am Jim ←
17:59:05 <Zakim> ok, hendler, I now associate you with Jim
Zakim IRC Bot: ok, hendler, I now associate you with Jim ←
17:59:10 <m_schnei> zakim, +??P4 is me
Michael Schneider: zakim, +??P4 is me ←
17:59:10 <Zakim> sorry, m_schnei, I do not recognize a party named '+??P4'
Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, m_schnei, I do not recognize a party named '+??P4' ←
17:59:16 <alanr> zakim, who is here?
Alan Ruttenberg: zakim, who is here? ←
17:59:16 <Zakim> On the phone I see bijan (muted), alanr, bmotik (muted), uli (muted), Rinke, MarkusK (muted), msmith, Jim, ??P4
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see bijan (muted), alanr, bmotik (muted), uli (muted), Rinke, MarkusK (muted), msmith, Jim, ??P4 ←
17:59:19 <Zakim> On IRC I see Achille, Ratnesh, pfps, m_schnei, bmotik, RRSAgent, Zakim, alanr, hendler, ewallace, MarkusK, Rinke, Carsten, uli, msmith, bijan, MartinD, sandro, trackbot-ng
Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see Achille, Ratnesh, pfps, m_schnei, bmotik, RRSAgent, Zakim, alanr, hendler, ewallace, MarkusK, Rinke, Carsten, uli, msmith, bijan, MartinD, sandro, trackbot-ng ←
17:59:19 <m_schnei> zakim, ??P4 is me
Michael Schneider: zakim, ??P4 is me ←
17:59:19 <Zakim> +m_schnei; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +m_schnei; got it ←
17:59:20 <Zakim> +[IBM]
Zakim IRC Bot: +[IBM] ←
17:59:25 <m_schnei> zakim, mute me
Michael Schneider: zakim, mute me ←
17:59:25 <Zakim> m_schnei should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: m_schnei should now be muted ←
17:59:32 <Achille> Zakim, IBM is Achille
Achille Fokoue: Zakim, IBM is Achille ←
17:59:32 <Zakim> +Achille; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +Achille; got it ←
17:59:36 <hendler> Zakim, Jim is jhendler
James Hendler: Zakim, Jim is jhendler ←
17:59:36 <Zakim> +jhendler; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +jhendler; got it ←
18:00:16 <Zakim> +??P13
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P13 ←
18:01:00 <Zakim> + +49.351.463.3.aacc
Zakim IRC Bot: + +49.351.463.3.aacc ←
18:01:03 <Ratnesh> zakim, +??P13 is me
Ratnesh Sahay: zakim, +??P13 is me ←
18:01:03 <Zakim> sorry, Ratnesh, I do not recognize a party named '+??P13'
Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, Ratnesh, I do not recognize a party named '+??P13' ←
18:01:14 <Carsten> zakim, aacc is me
Scribe problem: the name 'Carsten' does not match any of the 48 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Achille Fokoue Alan Ruttenberg Anne Cregan Bernardo Cuenca Grau Bijan Parsia Boris Motik Conrad Bock Deborah McGuinness Doug Lenat Elisa Kendall Enrico Franconi Evan Wallace Evren Sirin Fabian Neuhaus Fabien Gandon Giorgos Stamou Giorgos Stoilos Ian Horrocks Ivan Herman James Hendler Jeff Pan Jeremy Carroll Joanne Luciano Jonathan Rees Markus Krötzsch Martin Dzbor Michael Sintek Michael Smith Michael Schneider Olivier Corby Pascal Hitzler Peter Haase Peter Patel-Schneider Ratnesh Sahay Rinke Hoekstra Sandro Hawke Steve Battle Suzette Stoutenburg Tommie Meyer Uli Sattler Vassilis Tzouvaras Vipul Kashyap Vit Novacek Vojtech Svatek Zhe Wu Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
Scribe problem: the name 'Carsten' does not match any of the 48 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Achille Fokoue Alan Ruttenberg Anne Cregan Bernardo Cuenca Grau Bijan Parsia Boris Motik Conrad Bock Deborah McGuinness Doug Lenat Elisa Kendall Enrico Franconi Evan Wallace Evren Sirin Fabian Neuhaus Fabien Gandon Giorgos Stamou Giorgos Stoilos Ian Horrocks Ivan Herman James Hendler Jeff Pan Jeremy Carroll Joanne Luciano Jonathan Rees Markus Krötzsch Martin Dzbor Michael Sintek Michael Smith Michael Schneider Olivier Corby Pascal Hitzler Peter Haase Peter Patel-Schneider Ratnesh Sahay Rinke Hoekstra Sandro Hawke Steve Battle Suzette Stoutenburg Tommie Meyer Uli Sattler Vassilis Tzouvaras Vipul Kashyap Vit Novacek Vojtech Svatek Zhe Wu Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
Unknown Carsten: zakim, aacc is me ←
18:01:14 <Zakim> +Carsten; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +Carsten; got it ←
18:01:20 <Carsten> zakim, mute me
Scribe problem: the name 'Carsten' does not match any of the 48 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Achille Fokoue Alan Ruttenberg Anne Cregan Bernardo Cuenca Grau Bijan Parsia Boris Motik Conrad Bock Deborah McGuinness Doug Lenat Elisa Kendall Enrico Franconi Evan Wallace Evren Sirin Fabian Neuhaus Fabien Gandon Giorgos Stamou Giorgos Stoilos Ian Horrocks Ivan Herman James Hendler Jeff Pan Jeremy Carroll Joanne Luciano Jonathan Rees Markus Krötzsch Martin Dzbor Michael Sintek Michael Smith Michael Schneider Olivier Corby Pascal Hitzler Peter Haase Peter Patel-Schneider Ratnesh Sahay Rinke Hoekstra Sandro Hawke Steve Battle Suzette Stoutenburg Tommie Meyer Uli Sattler Vassilis Tzouvaras Vipul Kashyap Vit Novacek Vojtech Svatek Zhe Wu Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
Scribe problem: the name 'Carsten' does not match any of the 48 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Achille Fokoue Alan Ruttenberg Anne Cregan Bernardo Cuenca Grau Bijan Parsia Boris Motik Conrad Bock Deborah McGuinness Doug Lenat Elisa Kendall Enrico Franconi Evan Wallace Evren Sirin Fabian Neuhaus Fabien Gandon Giorgos Stamou Giorgos Stoilos Ian Horrocks Ivan Herman James Hendler Jeff Pan Jeremy Carroll Joanne Luciano Jonathan Rees Markus Krötzsch Martin Dzbor Michael Sintek Michael Smith Michael Schneider Olivier Corby Pascal Hitzler Peter Haase Peter Patel-Schneider Ratnesh Sahay Rinke Hoekstra Sandro Hawke Steve Battle Suzette Stoutenburg Tommie Meyer Uli Sattler Vassilis Tzouvaras Vipul Kashyap Vit Novacek Vojtech Svatek Zhe Wu Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
Unknown Carsten: zakim, mute me ←
18:01:20 <Zakim> Carsten should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: Carsten should now be muted ←
18:01:22 <alanr> zakim, ??P13 is Ratnesh
Alan Ruttenberg: zakim, ??P13 is Ratnesh ←
18:01:22 <Zakim> +Ratnesh; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +Ratnesh; got it ←
18:01:23 <Zakim> + +7.955.aadd
Zakim IRC Bot: + +7.955.aadd ←
18:01:34 <Zakim> +pfps
Zakim IRC Bot: +pfps ←
18:01:40 <pfps> zakim, mute me
Peter Patel-Schneider: zakim, mute me ←
18:01:40 <Zakim> pfps should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: pfps should now be muted ←
18:02:27 <alanr> zakim, who is here?
Alan Ruttenberg: zakim, who is here? ←
18:02:27 <Zakim> On the phone I see bijan (muted), alanr, bmotik (muted), uli (muted), Rinke, MarkusK (muted), msmith, jhendler, m_schnei (muted), Achille, Ratnesh, Carsten (muted), +7.955.aadd,
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see bijan (muted), alanr, bmotik (muted), uli (muted), Rinke, MarkusK (muted), msmith, jhendler, m_schnei (muted), Achille, Ratnesh, Carsten (muted), +7.955.aadd, ←
18:02:30 <Zakim> ... pfps (muted)
Zakim IRC Bot: ... pfps (muted) ←
18:02:31 <Zakim> On IRC I see jeremy, Achille, Ratnesh, pfps, m_schnei, bmotik, RRSAgent, Zakim, alanr, hendler, ewallace, MarkusK, Rinke, Carsten, uli, msmith, bijan, MartinD, sandro, trackbot-ng
Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see jeremy, Achille, Ratnesh, pfps, m_schnei, bmotik, RRSAgent, Zakim, alanr, hendler, ewallace, MarkusK, Rinke, Carsten, uli, msmith, bijan, MartinD, sandro, trackbot-ng ←
18:03:02 <jeremy> Zakim, aadd is me
Jeremy Carroll: Zakim, aadd is me ←
18:03:02 <Zakim> +jeremy; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +jeremy; got it ←
18:03:06 <jeremy> q-
Jeremy Carroll: q- ←
18:03:11 <jeremy> q- aadd
Jeremy Carroll: q- aadd ←
18:03:16 <ivan> zakim, dial ivan-voip
Ivan Herman: zakim, dial ivan-voip ←
18:03:16 <Zakim> ok, ivan; the call is being made
Zakim IRC Bot: ok, ivan; the call is being made ←
18:03:17 <Zakim> +Ivan
Zakim IRC Bot: +Ivan ←
18:03:18 <jeremy> ack
Jeremy Carroll: ack ←
18:03:29 <hendler> zakim, my name is lyrics.
James Hendler: zakim, my name is lyrics. ←
18:03:29 <Zakim> I don't understand 'my name is lyrics', hendler
Zakim IRC Bot: I don't understand 'my name is lyrics', hendler ←
18:03:41 <jeremy> ack
Jeremy Carroll: ack ←
18:03:45 <Rinke> q?
Rinke Hoekstra: q? ←
18:03:46 <Zakim> +Sandro
Zakim IRC Bot: +Sandro ←
18:03:48 <Rinke> ack +7.955.aadd
Rinke Hoekstra: ack +7.955.aadd ←
18:03:58 <alanr> zakim, aadd is jeremy
Alan Ruttenberg: zakim, aadd is jeremy ←
18:03:58 <Zakim> sorry, alanr, I do not recognize a party named 'aadd'
Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, alanr, I do not recognize a party named 'aadd' ←
18:04:04 <jeremy> Zakim, mute me
Jeremy Carroll: Zakim, mute me ←
18:04:04 <Zakim> jeremy should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: jeremy should now be muted ←
18:04:07 <alanr> zakim, who is here?
Alan Ruttenberg: zakim, who is here? ←
18:04:07 <Zakim> On the phone I see bijan (muted), alanr, bmotik (muted), uli (muted), Rinke, MarkusK (muted), msmith, jhendler, m_schnei (muted), Achille, Ratnesh, Carsten (muted), jeremy (muted),
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see bijan (muted), alanr, bmotik (muted), uli (muted), Rinke, MarkusK (muted), msmith, jhendler, m_schnei (muted), Achille, Ratnesh, Carsten (muted), jeremy (muted), ←
18:04:10 <m_schnei> zakim seems to be less clever than eliza ;-)
Michael Schneider: zakim seems to be less clever than eliza ;-) ←
18:04:11 <Zakim> ... pfps (muted), Ivan, Sandro
Zakim IRC Bot: ... pfps (muted), Ivan, Sandro ←
18:04:12 <Zakim> On IRC I see Zhe, bcuencag, ivan, jeremy, Achille, Ratnesh, pfps, m_schnei, bmotik, RRSAgent, Zakim, alanr, hendler, ewallace, MarkusK, Rinke, Carsten, uli, msmith, bijan, MartinD,
Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see Zhe, bcuencag, ivan, jeremy, Achille, Ratnesh, pfps, m_schnei, bmotik, RRSAgent, Zakim, alanr, hendler, ewallace, MarkusK, Rinke, Carsten, uli, msmith, bijan, MartinD, ←
18:04:16 <Zakim> ... sandro, trackbot-ng
Zakim IRC Bot: ... sandro, trackbot-ng ←
18:04:36 <Zakim> +Zhe
Zakim IRC Bot: +Zhe ←
18:04:47 <Zakim> +??P29
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P29 ←
18:05:20 <bcuencag> Zakim, ??P29 is me
Bernardo Cuenca Grau: Zakim, ??P29 is me ←
18:05:20 <Zakim> +bcuencag; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +bcuencag; got it ←
18:05:45 <alanr> zakim, who is here?
Alan Ruttenberg: zakim, who is here? ←
18:05:46 <Zakim> On the phone I see bijan (muted), alanr, bmotik (muted), uli (muted), Rinke, MarkusK (muted), msmith, jhendler, m_schnei (muted), Achille, Ratnesh, Carsten (muted), jeremy (muted),
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see bijan (muted), alanr, bmotik (muted), uli (muted), Rinke, MarkusK (muted), msmith, jhendler, m_schnei (muted), Achille, Ratnesh, Carsten (muted), jeremy (muted), ←
18:05:50 <Zakim> ... pfps (muted), Ivan, Sandro, Zhe, bcuencag
Zakim IRC Bot: ... pfps (muted), Ivan, Sandro, Zhe, bcuencag ←
18:05:51 <Zakim> On IRC I see Elisa, Zhe, bcuencag, ivan, jeremy, Achille, Ratnesh, pfps, m_schnei, bmotik, RRSAgent, Zakim, alanr, hendler, ewallace, MarkusK, Rinke, Carsten, uli, msmith, bijan,
Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see Elisa, Zhe, bcuencag, ivan, jeremy, Achille, Ratnesh, pfps, m_schnei, bmotik, RRSAgent, Zakim, alanr, hendler, ewallace, MarkusK, Rinke, Carsten, uli, msmith, bijan, ←
18:05:53 <Zakim> ... MartinD, sandro, trackbot-ng
Zakim IRC Bot: ... MartinD, sandro, trackbot-ng ←
18:06:04 <Zakim> +Elisa_Kendall
Zakim IRC Bot: +Elisa_Kendall ←
18:06:39 <pfps> scribe?
Peter Patel-Schneider: scribe? ←
18:07:49 <alanr> Carsten, can you scribe?
Alan Ruttenberg: Carsten, can you scribe? ←
18:07:49 <Carsten> I guess so
Scribe problem: the name 'Carsten' does not match any of the 48 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Achille Fokoue Alan Ruttenberg Anne Cregan Bernardo Cuenca Grau Bijan Parsia Boris Motik Conrad Bock Deborah McGuinness Doug Lenat Elisa Kendall Enrico Franconi Evan Wallace Evren Sirin Fabian Neuhaus Fabien Gandon Giorgos Stamou Giorgos Stoilos Ian Horrocks Ivan Herman James Hendler Jeff Pan Jeremy Carroll Joanne Luciano Jonathan Rees Markus Krötzsch Martin Dzbor Michael Sintek Michael Smith Michael Schneider Olivier Corby Pascal Hitzler Peter Haase Peter Patel-Schneider Ratnesh Sahay Rinke Hoekstra Sandro Hawke Steve Battle Suzette Stoutenburg Tommie Meyer Uli Sattler Vassilis Tzouvaras Vipul Kashyap Vit Novacek Vojtech Svatek Zhe Wu Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
Scribe problem: the name 'Carsten' does not match any of the 48 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Achille Fokoue Alan Ruttenberg Anne Cregan Bernardo Cuenca Grau Bijan Parsia Boris Motik Conrad Bock Deborah McGuinness Doug Lenat Elisa Kendall Enrico Franconi Evan Wallace Evren Sirin Fabian Neuhaus Fabien Gandon Giorgos Stamou Giorgos Stoilos Ian Horrocks Ivan Herman James Hendler Jeff Pan Jeremy Carroll Joanne Luciano Jonathan Rees Markus Krötzsch Martin Dzbor Michael Sintek Michael Smith Michael Schneider Olivier Corby Pascal Hitzler Peter Haase Peter Patel-Schneider Ratnesh Sahay Rinke Hoekstra Sandro Hawke Steve Battle Suzette Stoutenburg Tommie Meyer Uli Sattler Vassilis Tzouvaras Vipul Kashyap Vit Novacek Vojtech Svatek Zhe Wu Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
Unknown Carsten: I guess so ←
18:07:53 <Carsten> (never did it)
Scribe problem: the name 'Carsten' does not match any of the 48 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Achille Fokoue Alan Ruttenberg Anne Cregan Bernardo Cuenca Grau Bijan Parsia Boris Motik Conrad Bock Deborah McGuinness Doug Lenat Elisa Kendall Enrico Franconi Evan Wallace Evren Sirin Fabian Neuhaus Fabien Gandon Giorgos Stamou Giorgos Stoilos Ian Horrocks Ivan Herman James Hendler Jeff Pan Jeremy Carroll Joanne Luciano Jonathan Rees Markus Krötzsch Martin Dzbor Michael Sintek Michael Smith Michael Schneider Olivier Corby Pascal Hitzler Peter Haase Peter Patel-Schneider Ratnesh Sahay Rinke Hoekstra Sandro Hawke Steve Battle Suzette Stoutenburg Tommie Meyer Uli Sattler Vassilis Tzouvaras Vipul Kashyap Vit Novacek Vojtech Svatek Zhe Wu Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
Scribe problem: the name 'Carsten' does not match any of the 48 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Achille Fokoue Alan Ruttenberg Anne Cregan Bernardo Cuenca Grau Bijan Parsia Boris Motik Conrad Bock Deborah McGuinness Doug Lenat Elisa Kendall Enrico Franconi Evan Wallace Evren Sirin Fabian Neuhaus Fabien Gandon Giorgos Stamou Giorgos Stoilos Ian Horrocks Ivan Herman James Hendler Jeff Pan Jeremy Carroll Joanne Luciano Jonathan Rees Markus Krötzsch Martin Dzbor Michael Sintek Michael Smith Michael Schneider Olivier Corby Pascal Hitzler Peter Haase Peter Patel-Schneider Ratnesh Sahay Rinke Hoekstra Sandro Hawke Steve Battle Suzette Stoutenburg Tommie Meyer Uli Sattler Vassilis Tzouvaras Vipul Kashyap Vit Novacek Vojtech Svatek Zhe Wu Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
Unknown Carsten: (never did it) ←
18:07:55 <bijan> I'll note that the charter doesn't quite require it...so rechartering probably isn't required but could be good for extra clarity
Bijan Parsia: I'll note that the charter doesn't quite require it...so rechartering probably isn't required but could be good for extra clarity ←
18:08:00 <sandro> scribenick: Carsten
Scribe problem: the name 'Carsten' does not match any of the 48 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Achille Fokoue Alan Ruttenberg Anne Cregan Bernardo Cuenca Grau Bijan Parsia Boris Motik Conrad Bock Deborah McGuinness Doug Lenat Elisa Kendall Enrico Franconi Evan Wallace Evren Sirin Fabian Neuhaus Fabien Gandon Giorgos Stamou Giorgos Stoilos Ian Horrocks Ivan Herman James Hendler Jeff Pan Jeremy Carroll Joanne Luciano Jonathan Rees Markus Krötzsch Martin Dzbor Michael Sintek Michael Smith Michael Schneider Olivier Corby Pascal Hitzler Peter Haase Peter Patel-Schneider Ratnesh Sahay Rinke Hoekstra Sandro Hawke Steve Battle Suzette Stoutenburg Tommie Meyer Uli Sattler Vassilis Tzouvaras Vipul Kashyap Vit Novacek Vojtech Svatek Zhe Wu Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
(Scribe set to Unknown Carsten)
18:08:03 <alanr> http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/wiki/Scribe_Conventions
Alan Ruttenberg: http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/wiki/Scribe_Conventions ←
18:08:08 <bijan> Where it==owl full
Bijan Parsia: Where it==owl full ←
18:08:10 <sandro> free time?!
Sandro Hawke: free time?! ←
18:08:36 <sandro> But go read that page, for now.
Sandro Hawke: But go read that page, for now. ←
18:08:38 <JeffP> (I am with Carsten on phone)
Jeff Pan: (I am with Carsten on phone) ←
18:08:43 <pfps> really?
Peter Patel-Schneider: really? ←
18:08:47 <pfps> zakim, unmute me
Peter Patel-Schneider: zakim, unmute me ←
18:08:47 <Zakim> pfps should no longer be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: pfps should no longer be muted ←
18:09:02 <msmith> Topic: OWL-Full
18:09:18 <sandro> pfps: We did OWL Full because it was mandated.
Peter Patel-Schneider: We did OWL Full because it was mandated. [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ] ←
18:09:20 <m_schnei> t
18:09:30 <m_schnei> thanks, peter, I waited for this answer ;-)
Michael Schneider: thanks, peter, I waited for this answer ;-) ←
18:09:30 <alanr> q?
Alan Ruttenberg: q? ←
18:09:32 <sandro> pfps: I don't know if you want to hear that. I wont say who mandated it.
Peter Patel-Schneider: I don't know if you want to hear that. I wont say who mandated it. [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ] ←
18:09:43 <pfps> zakim, mute me
Peter Patel-Schneider: zakim, mute me ←
18:09:43 <Zakim> pfps should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: pfps should now be muted ←
18:09:50 <bijan> There's two questions: 1) Why *an* owl full and 2) why *this* owl full
Bijan Parsia: There's two questions: 1) Why *an* owl full and 2) why *this* owl full ←
18:10:01 <alanr> q?
Alan Ruttenberg: q? ←
18:10:04 <alanr> q+ Bijan
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18:10:11 <Carsten> hendler: OWL Full was the result of a compromise
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James Hendler: OWL Full was the result of a compromise ←
18:10:12 <bijan> q-
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18:10:14 <alanr> q+ Bijan to comment on two questions
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18:10:24 <sandro> Jim: OWL Full was the result of a major consensus-reaching compromise. One group wanted OWL DL, another group didn't. Inverse datatype properties were a key issue -- one group would object to including it, one group would object to not including it.
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Unknown Jim: OWL Full was the result of a major consensus-reaching compromise. One group wanted OWL DL, another group didn't. Inverse datatype properties were a key issue -- one group would object to including it, one group would object to not including it. [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ] ←
18:10:26 <Carsten> hendler: one main issue were inverse datatypes
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James Hendler: one main issue were inverse datatypes ←
18:10:40 <Carsten> hendler: some people thought OWL should be DL'ish, others not
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James Hendler: some people thought OWL should be DL'ish, others not ←
18:11:14 <jeremy> q+ to give my 2c
Jeremy Carroll: q+ to give my 2c ←
18:11:18 <Rinke> OIL had something called 'heavy OIL'
Rinke Hoekstra: OIL had something called 'heavy OIL' ←
18:11:55 <sandro> Jim: The key thing WebOnt decided, which is perhaps open to discussion, vocabulary terms like owl:X would be in both languages, although perhaps with restrictions on each. Each side had exactly the same vocabulary terms covered.
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Unknown Jim: The key thing WebOnt decided, which is perhaps open to discussion, vocabulary terms like owl:X would be in both languages, although perhaps with restrictions on each. Each side had exactly the same vocabulary terms covered. [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ] ←
18:12:00 <Carsten> hendler: a key feature in the design of OWL Full was that the same vocabulary terms as in OWL DL were covered
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James Hendler: a key feature in the design of OWL Full was that the same vocabulary terms as in OWL DL were covered ←
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18:12:10 <alanr> ack jeremy
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18:12:57 <Carsten> jeremy: owl full was due to two groups with very different background coming together
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Jeremy Carroll: owl full was due to two groups with very different background coming together ←
18:13:19 <bijan> Peter comes from an industrial background...see classic
Bijan Parsia: Peter comes from an industrial background...see classic ←
18:13:33 <Carsten> jeremy: there is mutual advantage from this
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Jeremy Carroll: there is mutual advantage from this ←
18:13:42 <bijan> zakim, unmute me
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18:13:44 <sandro> Jeremy: I felt what happened with OWL DL and Full, had to do with two different groups coming together. Peter represents the DL academic community, which had a strong idea where it was coming from. Meanwhile, there was an RDF community. Both communities can gain real insights from each other, but there are arguments and difference. Like any marriage, both sides have some good points and some bad points.
Jeremy Carroll: I felt what happened with OWL DL and Full, had to do with two different groups coming together. Peter represents the DL academic community, which had a strong idea where it was coming from. Meanwhile, there was an RDF community. Both communities can gain real insights from each other, but there are arguments and difference. Like any marriage, both sides have some good points and some bad points. [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ] ←
18:13:53 <jeremy> Zakim, mute me
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18:13:58 <alanr> yes, let people say what their backgrounds are themselves
Alan Ruttenberg: yes, let people say what their backgrounds are themselves ←
18:14:41 <Carsten> bijan: classes as instances / properties as instances were a big deal, very different use cases
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Bijan Parsia: classes as instances / properties as instances were a big deal, very different use cases ←
18:14:51 <hendler> q+ to mention "temporal" aspect of decision
James Hendler: q+ to mention "temporal" aspect of decision ←
18:14:57 <sandro> Bijan: It's a conceptual error to regard OWL Full as a unitary phenomenon. There are a lot of different parts to it, and they each have their own story. EG classes as instances. Very different uses cases. EG annotations. ("my property was made by me, and modified on some date" -- different from modeling.)
Bijan Parsia: It's a conceptual error to regard OWL Full as a unitary phenomenon. There are a lot of different parts to it, and they each have their own story. EG classes as instances. Very different uses cases. EG annotations. ("my property was made by me, and modified on some date" -- different from modeling.) [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ] ←
18:14:58 <alanr> ack Bijan
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18:14:58 <Zakim> Bijan, you wanted to comment on two questions
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18:15:45 <alanr> ack Jim
Alan Ruttenberg: ack Jim ←
18:15:46 <bijan> zakim, mute me
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18:15:47 <sandro> Bijan: I think there is an OWL Full is because there was too be a gap between what some people wanted and what some implementors (doing complete implemtnations) could do.
Bijan Parsia: I think there is an OWL Full is because there was too be a gap between what some people wanted and what some implementors (doing complete implemtnations) could do. [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ] ←
18:15:59 <sandro> No, Carsten -- I'm just scribe-assisting on things I find particularly important.
Sandro Hawke: No, Carsten -- I'm just scribe-assisting on things I find particularly important. ←
18:16:11 <pfps> q+
18:16:19 <alanr> ack jhendler
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18:16:19 <Zakim> jhendler, you wanted to mention "temporal" aspect of decision
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18:16:34 <sandro> Jim: The path to the split was important. A lot of the design on the DL and Full sides were influenced by what happened when. We have the option to rationalize it now.
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Unknown Jim: The path to the split was important. A lot of the design on the DL and Full sides were influenced by what happened when. We have the option to rationalize it now. [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ] ←
18:16:38 <pfps> zakim, unmute me
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18:16:39 <bijan> I'll note that the RDF semantics were also being designed (in a sort of death march) and "fitting" with that was seens as a requirement
Bijan Parsia: I'll note that the RDF semantics were also being designed (in a sort of death march) and "fitting" with that was seens as a requirement ←
18:16:42 <pfps> this q
Peter Patel-Schneider: this q ←
18:16:44 <Carsten> hendler: a lot depended on the temporal ordering of events. We now have the option to rationalize it
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James Hendler: a lot depended on the temporal ordering of events. We now have the option to rationalize it ←
18:17:21 <hendler> pfps is right - RDF-based was in our charter.
James Hendler: pfps is right - RDF-based was in our charter. ←
18:17:27 <Carsten> peter: compatibility with RDF was an important issue, but semantics hasn't been designed back then
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Unknown peter: compatibility with RDF was an important issue, but semantics hasn't been designed back then ←
18:18:01 <Carsten> peter: after rdf semanic was decided, there was a split between the FO view of the world and the triple view of the world
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Unknown peter: after rdf semanic was decided, there was a split between the FO view of the world and the triple view of the world ←
18:18:01 <pfps> zakim, unmute me
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18:18:06 <sandro> pfps: Compatibility with RDF was requirement, and yet RDF Semantics weren't designed yet. If the ordering had happened differently, then the semantics of RDF might have been different. The FOL view of the world and the Triple view of the world were split. Once RDF settled on the Tripple view, we had to live with it.
Peter Patel-Schneider: Compatibility with RDF was requirement, and yet RDF Semantics weren't designed yet. If the ordering had happened differently, then the semantics of RDF might have been different. The FOL view of the world and the Triple view of the world were split. Once RDF settled on the Tripple view, we had to live with it. [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ] ←
18:18:06 <pfps> zakim, mute me
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18:18:09 <m_schnei> zakim, unmute me
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18:18:54 <hendler> q+ to answer Michael re: use
James Hendler: q+ to answer Michael re: use ←
18:18:55 <bijan> "applications" using owl full really requires teasing apart the parts of owl full
Bijan Parsia: "applications" using owl full really requires teasing apart the parts of owl full ←
18:18:59 <jeremy> q+
Jeremy Carroll: q+ ←
18:19:00 <alanr> ack hendler
Alan Ruttenberg: ack hendler ←
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18:19:13 <Zakim> +MartinD
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18:19:16 <jeremy> ack jhender
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18:19:20 <alanr> ack hendler
Alan Ruttenberg: ack hendler ←
18:19:25 <alanr> ack jhendler
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18:19:25 <Zakim> jhendler, you wanted to answer Michael re: use
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18:19:42 <Carsten> hendler: 60+ percent of all the semantic web data is not compliant with the OWL DL semantics
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James Hendler: 60+ percent of all the semantic web data is not compliant with the OWL DL semantics ←
18:20:02 <alanr> q+ to talk briefly about foaf
Alan Ruttenberg: q+ to talk briefly about foaf ←
18:20:14 <sandro> Jim: (60% of RDF data is FOAF, which is is not in DL)
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Unknown Jim: (60% of RDF data is FOAF, which is is not in DL) [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ] ←
18:20:18 <pfps> q-
18:20:26 <bijan> But here's a good example...primarily the lack of DLnessin foaf is use of inverseFunctionalDatatype properties which is perfectly first order.
Bijan Parsia: But here's a good example...primarily the lack of DLnessin foaf is use of inverseFunctionalDatatype properties which is perfectly first order. ←
18:20:27 <Carsten> hendler: under the definition "using OWL vocabulary, but not being inside OWL DL"
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James Hendler: under the definition "using OWL vocabulary, but not being inside OWL DL" ←
18:20:36 <bijan> q+
Bijan Parsia: q+ ←
18:20:41 <ivan> ack jeremy
Ivan Herman: ack jeremy ←
18:20:51 <alanr> q+ to ask if we want OWL-FULL to mean not OWL-DL
Alan Ruttenberg: q+ to ask if we want OWL-FULL to mean not OWL-DL ←
18:21:19 <alanr> q+ to ask is there an OWL Full, or are there just OWL Full features
Alan Ruttenberg: q+ to ask is there an OWL Full, or are there just OWL Full features ←
18:22:11 <alanr> ack alanr
Alan Ruttenberg: ack alanr ←
18:22:11 <Zakim> alanr, you wanted to talk briefly about foaf and to ask if we want OWL-FULL to mean not OWL-DL and to ask is there an OWL Full, or are there just OWL Full features
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18:22:21 <sandro> Jeremy: People inside HP and out find great use for "reasonable" use of OWL-Full, eg subclass list vocabulary, but NOT "messing with the furniture". Having a rule engine as an underlying engine is important. [??]
Jeremy Carroll: People inside HP and out find great use for "reasonable" use of OWL-Full, eg subclass list vocabulary, but NOT "messing with the furniture". Having a rule engine as an underlying engine is important. [??] [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ] ←
18:22:50 <Carsten> jeremy: many applications do not use heavy-duty features of OWL Full, a lightweight rule engine suffices to address this [??]
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Jeremy Carroll: many applications do not use heavy-duty features of OWL Full, a lightweight rule engine suffices to address this [??] ←
18:23:03 <sandro> Alan: FOAF deviates from OWL DL in a few places. Inverse-functional-property on strings (eg mailbox hashes), and annotations on properties.
Alan Ruttenberg: FOAF deviates from OWL DL in a few places. Inverse-functional-property on strings (eg mailbox hashes), and annotations on properties. [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ] ←
18:23:31 <Carsten> alan: heard different descriptions of OWL full: Everything not in OWL DL. Or in terms of features.
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Alan Ruttenberg: heard different descriptions of OWL full: Everything not in OWL DL. Or in terms of features. ←
18:23:33 <alanr> q?
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18:24:30 <Carsten> alan: people don't often talk about OWL Full as a language with this and that features. Mostly they say they are in OWL full because they are not in OWL DL
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Alan Ruttenberg: people don't often talk about OWL Full as a language with this and that features. Mostly they say they are in OWL full because they are not in OWL DL ←
18:25:00 <ivan> ack bijan
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18:25:02 <alanr> ack bijaan
Alan Ruttenberg: ack bijaan ←
18:25:05 <alanr> ack bijan
Alan Ruttenberg: ack bijan ←
18:25:07 <Carsten> alan: many people just want to use one or two features, does OWL full have to be a "whole" language?
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Alan Ruttenberg: many people just want to use one or two features, does OWL full have to be a "whole" language? ←
18:25:42 <Carsten> bijan: think of OWL full as having for categories of addition: 1. notational variants of FO-constructs not in OWL DL
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Bijan Parsia: think of OWL full as having for categories of addition: 1. notational variants of FO-constructs not in OWL DL ←
18:26:16 <alanr> uli thinks also of non-simple roles in cardinality restrictions (good one for the record)
Alan Ruttenberg: uli thinks also of non-simple roles in cardinality restrictions (good one for the record) ←
18:26:28 <Carsten> bijan: 2.: rules; 3.: metamodelling; 4: arbitrary graphs of b-nodes 5. non-simple riles in cardinality restrictions
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Bijan Parsia: 2.: rules; 3.: metamodelling; 4: arbitrary graphs of b-nodes 5. non-simple riles in cardinality restrictions ←
18:27:04 <Carsten> bijan: 6. hilog semantics; 7. reflections on vocabulary
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Bijan Parsia: 6. hilog semantics; 7. reflections on vocabulary ←
18:27:50 <sandro> Bijan: four types of things in OWL Full: things-in-spirit-of-OWL-DL (IFP on datatypes), metamodeling (syntactic freedom class/instance etc) -- hilog semantics, arbitrary-graphs-of-bnodes, reflection on builtin vocabulary [shadow builtins -- RDF List vs what you say about builtins should change meaning of ontologyes eg domain/range on rdf:type]
Bijan Parsia: four types of things in OWL Full: things-in-spirit-of-OWL-DL (IFP on datatypes), metamodeling (syntactic freedom class/instance etc) -- hilog semantics, arbitrary-graphs-of-bnodes, reflection on builtin vocabulary [shadow builtins -- RDF List vs what you say about builtins should change meaning of ontologyes eg domain/range on rdf:type] [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ] ←
18:27:55 <Carsten> bijan: 8. what you change about your vocabularity changes the builtin logic (which is impossible)
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Bijan Parsia: 8. what you change about your vocabularity changes the builtin logic (which is impossible) ←
18:28:10 <m_schnei> +q
Michael Schneider: +q ←
18:28:34 <jeremy> q+ to talk about architectural role
Jeremy Carroll: q+ to talk about architectural role ←
18:28:51 <Carsten> bijan: main use: push the bounds of OWL DL a bit to make their applications / tools fit
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Bijan Parsia: main use: push the bounds of OWL DL a bit to make their applications / tools fit ←
18:29:23 <Carsten> bijan: semantics flexibility is nice, helps interoperability, but don't formalize this [?]
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Bijan Parsia: semantics flexibility is nice, helps interoperability, but don't formalize this [?] ←
18:29:41 <m_schnei> zakim, unmute me
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18:29:43 <hendler> q+
James Hendler: q+ ←
18:29:44 <bijan> zakim, mute me
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18:29:44 <Zakim> bijan should now be muted
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18:29:49 <ivan> ack m_schnei
Ivan Herman: ack m_schnei ←
18:30:12 <jeremy> zakim, unmute me
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18:30:12 <Zakim> jeremy was not muted, jeremy
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18:30:19 <alanr> note reasoner(bijan) =def sound, complete, decidable ?
Alan Ruttenberg: note reasoner(bijan) =def sound, complete, decidable ? ←
18:30:28 <Carsten> m_schnei: great point of OWL full: accepts every RDF graph; people can have standard RDF data as used by SPARQL and incrementally add semantics to certain but not all properties
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Michael Schneider: great point of OWL full: accepts every RDF graph; people can have standard RDF data as used by SPARQL and incrementally add semantics to certain but not all properties ←
18:30:31 <bcuencag> +q
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18:31:11 <Carsten> m_schnei: gives you more flexibility than you have in OWL DL
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Michael Schneider: gives you more flexibility than you have in OWL DL ←
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18:31:27 <alanr> q?
Alan Ruttenberg: q? ←
18:31:29 <ivan> ack jeremy
Ivan Herman: ack jeremy ←
18:31:29 <Zakim> jeremy, you wanted to talk about architectural role
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18:32:26 <Carsten> jeremy: one of the reasons d'etre of OWL Full isn't architectural, but there is a view from the RDF community that the various ways of putting semantics on top of triples needs support, and this is what OWL Full gives them
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Jeremy Carroll: one of the reasons d'etre of OWL Full isn't architectural, but there is a view from the RDF community that the various ways of putting semantics on top of triples needs support, and this is what OWL Full gives them ←
18:32:58 <Carsten> jeremy: I don't like OWL Full being described at not OWL DL
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Jeremy Carroll: I don't like OWL Full being described at not OWL DL ←
18:33:04 <ivan> ack jhendler
Ivan Herman: ack jhendler ←
18:33:16 <bijan> I didn't understand the last bit...what's the power play?
Bijan Parsia: I didn't understand the last bit...what's the power play? ←
18:34:13 <Carsten> hendler: my users don't care about the semantics; they work operationally; they don't want to use OWL per se; they find OWL useful for some things they are doing; this applies to many people from the web 3.0 community
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James Hendler: my users don't care about the semantics; they work operationally; they don't want to use OWL per se; they find OWL useful for some things they are doing; this applies to many people from the web 3.0 community ←
18:34:17 <JeffP> Shall we not provide a semantics for OWL Full then
Jeff Pan: Shall we not provide a semantics for OWL Full then ←
18:34:19 <alanr> q?
Alan Ruttenberg: q? ←
18:34:47 <jeremy> my recent comments on public owl dev suggest that use of 'not' to define primary categories can be a statement of power
Jeremy Carroll: my recent comments on public owl dev suggest that use of 'not' to define primary categories can be a statement of power ←
18:34:47 <Carsten> handler: using OWL DL forces them to use things they don't care about
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Unknown handler: using OWL DL forces them to use things they don't care about ←
18:34:59 <alanr> alanr asks, loop constructs with enumerated data types ok in java?
Alan Ruttenberg: alanr asks, loop constructs with enumerated data types ok in java? ←
18:35:16 <alanr> q?
Alan Ruttenberg: q? ←
18:35:18 <ivan> ack bcuencag
Ivan Herman: ack bcuencag ←
18:35:23 <Carsten> hendler: owl full is a misnomer; OWL Full is a vocabulary; OWL DL uses it
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James Hendler: owl full is a misnomer; OWL Full is a vocabulary; OWL DL uses it ←
18:35:24 <jeremy> e.g craft = art that is not fine art, is a statement about the economic interests in fine art
Jeremy Carroll: e.g craft = art that is not fine art, is a statement about the economic interests in fine art ←
18:35:54 <uli> I like Jim's "loop" metaphore, but I have seen people happily *not* using certain language features to ensure good performance/no stack overflow...
Uli Sattler: I like Jim's "loop" metaphore, but I have seen people happily *not* using certain language features to ensure good performance/no stack overflow... ←
18:36:01 <Carsten> bernardo: we should distinguish syntax and semantics;
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Bernardo Cuenca Grau: we should distinguish syntax and semantics; ←
18:36:01 <JeffP> RDF is more than syntax, it provides a data model too
Jeff Pan: RDF is more than syntax, it provides a data model too ←
18:36:12 <Carsten> bernardo: jim's users want syntax
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Bernardo Cuenca Grau: jim's users want syntax ←
18:36:34 <bijan> q+
Bijan Parsia: q+ ←
18:36:43 <Carsten> bernardo: do we only want an RDF syntax in OWL 1.1, or do we want also a semantics for the triples?
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Bernardo Cuenca Grau: do we only want an RDF syntax in OWL 1.1, or do we want also a semantics for the triples? ←
18:36:58 <Carsten> bernardo: if people only want syntax, they don't care about the semantics of the triples
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Bernardo Cuenca Grau: if people only want syntax, they don't care about the semantics of the triples ←
18:37:01 <hendler> q+ to clarify re: "semantics"
James Hendler: q+ to clarify re: "semantics" ←
18:37:36 <jeremy> note my last comment was misscribed - i will correct in minutes
Jeremy Carroll: note my last comment was misscribed - i will correct in minutes ←
18:37:54 <ivan> ack bijan
Ivan Herman: ack bijan ←
18:38:46 <Carsten> bijan: if users don't care in the semantics, do you see harm in assigning a semantics that is .... =
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Bijan Parsia: if users don't care in the semantics, do you see harm in assigning a semantics that is .... = ←
18:38:48 <Carsten> ?
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? ←
18:38:49 <alanr> q?
Alan Ruttenberg: q? ←
18:38:51 <ivan> ack jhendler
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18:38:51 <Zakim> jhendler, you wanted to clarify re: "semantics"
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18:38:53 <alanr> ack jhendler
Alan Ruttenberg: ack jhendler ←
18:39:07 <jeremy> not criticism of scribe intended :)
Jeremy Carroll: not criticism of scribe intended :) ←
18:40:05 <Zhe> q+
18:40:14 <Carsten> hendler: it's not that users don't care about the semantics; they care about the semantics of, say, same-as. But they don't care about provably getting their reasoners right. An axiomatic semantics may serve that community better than a model-theoretic semantics
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James Hendler: it's not that users don't care about the semantics; they care about the semantics of, say, same-as. But they don't care about provably getting their reasoners right. An axiomatic semantics may serve that community better than a model-theoretic semantics ←
18:40:33 <Carsten> bijan: this is a presentational issue; I was asking for the actual semantics
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Bijan Parsia: this is a presentational issue; I was asking for the actual semantics ←
18:41:10 <IanH> Thanks -- sorry to be so late
Ian Horrocks: Thanks -- sorry to be so late ←
18:42:00 <Carsten> hendler: it is important to get the semantics right, but people do it at their own risk; a good example is linking to another ontology without declaring the type.
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James Hendler: it is important to get the semantics right, but people do it at their own risk; a good example is linking to another ontology without declaring the type. ←
18:42:13 <ivan> q?
Ivan Herman: q? ←
18:42:30 <ivan> ack Zhe
Ivan Herman: ack Zhe ←
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18:42:43 <Zakim> bijan was not muted, bijan
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18:43:11 <Carsten> zhe: some users are using OWL full features such as same as; they care about the semantics, have an intuitive understanding;
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Zhe Wu: some users are using OWL full features such as same as; they care about the semantics, have an intuitive understanding; ←
18:43:20 <Zakim> +??P3
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18:43:24 <JeffP> So the users care the semantics of some constructs but not others
Jeff Pan: So the users care the semantics of some constructs but not others ←
18:43:33 <IanH> zakim, ??P3 is ianh
Ian Horrocks: zakim, ??P3 is ianh ←
18:43:33 <Zakim> +ianh; got it
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18:44:19 <bijan> I don't think we have time on the telecon, but I'll add that I'd like to have correct and complete implementations of the language. If people write custom subset reasoners, we need to spec some level of interop between the ad hoc ones and the ones aiming to be complete. People move between the two types of systems quite a bit.
Bijan Parsia: I don't think we have time on the telecon, but I'll add that I'd like to have correct and complete implementations of the language. If people write custom subset reasoners, we need to spec some level of interop between the ad hoc ones and the ones aiming to be complete. People move between the two types of systems quite a bit. ←
18:44:25 <Carsten> alan: we need to define a vocabulary, and a minimal operational semantics; a DL + feature semantics was proposed, without saying how all work together
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Alan Ruttenberg: we need to define a vocabulary, and a minimal operational semantics; a DL + feature semantics was proposed, without saying how all work together ←
18:45:03 <bijan> I don't understand the question
Bijan Parsia: I don't understand the question ←
18:45:11 <Carsten> alan: is an OWL Full semantics along the lines of 1.0 something we want in this working group?
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Alan Ruttenberg: is an OWL Full semantics along the lines of 1.0 something we want in this working group? ←
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18:45:34 <bijan> q+
Bijan Parsia: q+ ←
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18:45:57 <jeremy> howabout: we will develop owl full 1.1 semantics as a delta on owl 1.0 full?
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Unknown howabout: we will develop owl full 1.1 semantics as a delta on owl 1.0 full? [ Scribe Assist by Jeremy Carroll ] ←
18:46:07 <JeffP> +1 ivan
18:46:21 <alanr> q?
Alan Ruttenberg: q? ←
18:46:27 <ivan> ack bijan
Ivan Herman: ack bijan ←
18:46:31 <Carsten> bijan: we should separate semantics presentation from semantics
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Bijan Parsia: we should separate semantics presentation from semantics ←
18:46:55 <jeremy> q+ to ask my variation
Jeremy Carroll: q+ to ask my variation ←
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18:47:48 <ivan> ack jeremy
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18:47:49 <Zakim> jeremy, you wanted to ask my variation
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18:47:52 <Carsten> bijan: I want to change the semantics of OWL full, and would like to stick with model theory for presentation
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Bijan Parsia: I want to change the semantics of OWL full, and would like to stick with model theory for presentation ←
18:48:03 <bijan> a plus delta or a minus delta?
Bijan Parsia: a plus delta or a minus delta? ←
18:48:03 <uli> please say again
Uli Sattler: please say again ←
18:48:11 <Carsten> jeremy, missed it, pls scribe it?!
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jeremy, missed it, pls scribe it?! ←
18:48:12 <bijan> or a plus-minus delta
Bijan Parsia: or a plus-minus delta ←
18:48:33 <Carsten> jeremy: Do we want an Owl Full semantics as a delta of the OWL 1.0 full semantics?
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Jeremy Carroll: Do we want an Owl Full semantics as a delta of the OWL 1.0 full semantics? ←
18:48:56 <bijan> Plus delta only? or minus delta?
Bijan Parsia: Plus delta only? or minus delta? ←
18:49:07 <Rinke> I like the delta approach of Jeremy, but don't immediately understand in what ways a Full 1.1 semantics would differ from Full 1.0...
Rinke Hoekstra: I like the delta approach of Jeremy, but don't immediately understand in what ways a Full 1.1 semantics would differ from Full 1.0... ←
18:49:08 <m_schnei> +1
Michael Schneider: +1 ←
18:49:12 <sandro> 0? totally depends on other options.
Sandro Hawke: 0? totally depends on other options. ←
18:49:16 <ewallace> 0
Evan Wallace: 0 ←
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18:49:23 <hendler> -1 (propose we explore other options then a feature by feature model semantics)
James Hendler: -1 (propose we explore other options then a feature by feature model semantics) ←
18:49:23 <Carsten> I agree: depends on other options
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I agree: depends on other options ←
18:49:28 <jeremy> +1
Jeremy Carroll: +1 ←
18:49:34 <JeffP> I don't understand the delta approach either
Jeff Pan: I don't understand the delta approach either ←
18:49:38 <Carsten> STRAWPOLL: Do we want an Owl Full semantics as a delta of the OWL 1.0 full semantics?
STRAWPOLL: Do we want an Owl Full semantics as a delta of the OWL 1.0 full semantics? ←
18:49:39 <Ratnesh> 0
Ratnesh Sahay: 0 ←
18:49:39 <pfps> +0 depends on the delta (remove everything, then add some stuff?)
Peter Patel-Schneider: +0 depends on the delta (remove everything, then add some stuff?) ←
18:49:39 <Zhe> i don't understand
18:49:40 <ivan> 0
Ivan Herman: 0 ←
18:49:48 <MarkusK> 0
Markus Krötzsch: 0 ←
18:49:48 <jeremy> bye conflict ...
Jeremy Carroll: bye conflict ... ←
18:49:49 <uli> i guess I will tend to a minus
Uli Sattler: i guess I will tend to a minus ←
18:49:50 <Achille> 0 need more info on the nature of the delta
Achille Fokoue: 0 need more info on the nature of the delta ←
18:49:51 <Zakim> -jeremy
Zakim IRC Bot: -jeremy ←
18:49:51 <Rinke> +0
Rinke Hoekstra: +0 ←
18:49:54 <msmith> 0
Michael Smith: 0 ←
18:50:06 <bmotik> --0
Boris Motik: --0 ←
18:50:09 <hendler> -1 again (so it is in right place - but to explore other options)
James Hendler: -1 again (so it is in right place - but to explore other options) ←
18:50:13 <Carsten> -0 as far as I can tell without knowing the alternatives
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-0 as far as I can tell without knowing the alternatives ←
18:50:13 <bcuencag> 0
18:50:16 <bijan> -0
Bijan Parsia: -0 ←
18:50:22 <Elisa> -0
Elisa Kendall: -0 ←
18:50:40 <m_schnei> +q
Michael Schneider: +q ←
18:50:46 <m_schnei> zakim, miute me
Michael Schneider: zakim, miute me ←
18:50:46 <Zakim> I don't understand 'miute me', m_schnei
Zakim IRC Bot: I don't understand 'miute me', m_schnei ←
18:50:48 <m_schnei> zakim, unmute me
Michael Schneider: zakim, unmute me ←
18:50:48 <Zakim> m_schnei should no longer be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: m_schnei should no longer be muted ←
18:50:50 <ivan> ack m_schnei
Ivan Herman: ack m_schnei ←
18:51:12 <hendler> q+ to suggest we go a couple more minutes to get some actions defined, but then move this to email
James Hendler: q+ to suggest we go a couple more minutes to get some actions defined, but then move this to email ←
18:51:16 <Zhe> that sounds good to me
Zhe Wu: that sounds good to me ←
18:51:18 <ewallace> we need to see the set of alternatives on the table
Evan Wallace: we need to see the set of alternatives on the table ←
18:51:24 <alanr> action: Michael to explain what delta to 1.0 semantics means
ACTION: Michael to explain what delta to 1.0 semantics means ←
18:51:25 <trackbot-ng> Sorry, amibiguous username (more than one match) - Michael
Trackbot IRC Bot: Sorry, amibiguous username (more than one match) - Michael ←
18:51:25 <trackbot-ng> Try using a different identifier, such as family name or username (eg. msmith9, mschneid, msintek)
Trackbot IRC Bot: Try using a different identifier, such as family name or username (eg. msmith9, mschneid, msintek) ←
18:51:25 <m_schnei> zakim, mute me
Michael Schneider: zakim, mute me ←
18:51:25 <Zakim> m_schnei should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: m_schnei should now be muted ←
18:51:33 <Rinke> +1 to evan
Rinke Hoekstra: +1 to evan ←
18:51:36 <alanr> q?
Alan Ruttenberg: q? ←
18:51:40 <ivan> ack hendler
Ivan Herman: ack hendler ←
18:51:46 <Carsten> m_schnei: people didn't understand what delta means here; we should explain before we can vote
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Michael Schneider: people didn't understand what delta means here; we should explain before we can vote ←
18:51:47 <ivan> ack jhendler
Ivan Herman: ack jhendler ←
18:51:49 <Zakim> jhendler, you wanted to suggest we go a couple more minutes to get some actions defined, but then move this to email
Zakim IRC Bot: jhendler, you wanted to suggest we go a couple more minutes to get some actions defined, but then move this to email ←
18:51:51 <pfps> +1 to evan - what are alternatives?
Peter Patel-Schneider: +1 to evan - what are alternatives? ←
18:52:01 <sandro> ACTION: mschneid to explain what delta to 1.0 semantics means
ACTION: mschneid to explain what delta to 1.0 semantics means ←
18:52:01 <trackbot-ng> Created ACTION-78 - Explain what delta to 1.0 semantics means [on Michael Schneider - due 2008-02-13].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-78 - Explain what delta to 1.0 semantics means [on Michael Schneider - due 2008-02-13]. ←
18:52:11 <ivan> q+
Ivan Herman: q+ ←
18:52:22 <alanr> ack ivan
Alan Ruttenberg: ack ivan ←
18:52:46 <IanH> Does anyone have any idea as to an alternative?
Ian Horrocks: Does anyone have any idea as to an alternative? ←
18:53:15 <Carsten> ivan: I think we need to have a clear vote of what the alternatives are before voting. We need a feeling what it costs in terms of time/energy. What would an operational semantics mean? We need this before making decisions.
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Ivan Herman: I think we need to have a clear view of what the alternatives are before voting. We need a feeling what it costs in terms of time/energy. What would an operational semantics mean? We need this before making decisions. ←
18:53:37 <Carsten> s/vote/view
18:53:57 <Carsten> s/vote/view/
18:54:22 <hendler> I believe that if long term (maybe not out of this WG we see a path that takes us to "one OWL" it would be a big win
James Hendler: I believe that if long term (maybe not out of this WG we see a path that takes us to "one OWL" it would be a big win ←
18:54:30 <Carsten> me neither
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me neither ←
18:54:47 <alanr> action: Alan to describe what he means by a "feature at a time" semantics
ACTION: Alan to describe what he means by a "feature at a time" semantics ←
18:54:48 <trackbot-ng> Created ACTION-79 - Describe what he means by a \"feature at a time\" semantics [on Alan Ruttenberg - due 2008-02-13].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-79 - Describe what he means by a \"feature at a time\" semantics [on Alan Ruttenberg - due 2008-02-13]. ←
18:55:13 <hendler> ACTION: hendler will describe an approach to a "operationall semantics" approach to OWL Full
ACTION: hendler will describe an approach to a "operationall semantics" approach to OWL Full ←
18:55:13 <trackbot-ng> Created ACTION-80 - Will describe an approach to a \"operationall semantics\" approach to OWL Full [on James Hendler - due 2008-02-13].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-80 - Will describe an approach to a \"operationall semantics\" approach to OWL Full [on James Hendler - due 2008-02-13]. ←
18:55:17 <alanr> PROPOSED: Accept Previous Minutes
PROPOSED: Accept Previous Minutes ←
18:55:32 <pfps> -1 no chair, typos, ...
Peter Patel-Schneider: -1 no chair, typos, ... ←
18:56:35 <Carsten> sorry, what did you say about 39?
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sorry, what did you say about 39? ←
18:56:47 <MarkusK> ACTION 70 was completed, see http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-owl-wg/2008Jan/0404.html
Markus Krötzsch: ACTION-70 was completed, see http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-owl-wg/2008Jan/0404.html ←
18:56:58 <pfps> Pending Action Review - 77 and 39 done
Peter Patel-Schneider: Pending Action Review - 77 and 39 done ←
18:57:12 <Carsten> thanks
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thanks ←
18:57:58 <msmith> agreed, issue 76 was postponed when it was created
Michael Smith: agreed, ISSUE-76 was postponed when it was created ←
18:58:08 <pfps> zakim, mute me
Peter Patel-Schneider: zakim, mute me ←
18:58:08 <Zakim> pfps was already muted, pfps
Zakim IRC Bot: pfps was already muted, pfps ←
18:58:14 <alanr> q?
Alan Ruttenberg: q? ←
18:58:16 <Carsten> Issues discussion
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Scribe problem: the name 'Carsten' does not match any of the 48 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Achille Fokoue Alan Ruttenberg Anne Cregan Bernardo Cuenca Grau Bijan Parsia Boris Motik Conrad Bock Deborah McGuinness Doug Lenat Elisa Kendall Enrico Franconi Evan Wallace Evren Sirin Fabian Neuhaus Fabien Gandon Giorgos Stamou Giorgos Stoilos Ian Horrocks Ivan Herman James Hendler Jeff Pan Jeremy Carroll Joanne Luciano Jonathan Rees Markus Krötzsch Martin Dzbor Michael Sintek Michael Smith Michael Schneider Olivier Corby Pascal Hitzler Peter Haase Peter Patel-Schneider Ratnesh Sahay Rinke Hoekstra Sandro Hawke Steve Battle Suzette Stoutenburg Tommie Meyer Uli Sattler Vassilis Tzouvaras Vipul Kashyap Vit Novacek Vojtech Svatek Zhe Wu Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
Issues discussion ←
18:58:34 <pfps> q+
18:58:45 <pfps> q+ to mention that that is not issue-3
Peter Patel-Schneider: q+ to mention that that is not ISSUE-3 ←
18:59:03 <alanr> q?
Alan Ruttenberg: q? ←
18:59:12 <pfps> zakim, unmute me
Peter Patel-Schneider: zakim, unmute me ←
18:59:12 <Zakim> pfps should no longer be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: pfps should no longer be muted ←
18:59:22 <ewallace> noise?
Evan Wallace: noise? ←
18:59:30 <pfps> zakim, who is talking?
Peter Patel-Schneider: zakim, who is talking? ←
18:59:30 <JeffP> zakim, who is talking?
Jeff Pan: zakim, who is talking? ←
18:59:39 <Carsten> can't understand
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Scribe problem: the name 'Carsten' does not match any of the 48 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Achille Fokoue Alan Ruttenberg Anne Cregan Bernardo Cuenca Grau Bijan Parsia Boris Motik Conrad Bock Deborah McGuinness Doug Lenat Elisa Kendall Enrico Franconi Evan Wallace Evren Sirin Fabian Neuhaus Fabien Gandon Giorgos Stamou Giorgos Stoilos Ian Horrocks Ivan Herman James Hendler Jeff Pan Jeremy Carroll Joanne Luciano Jonathan Rees Markus Krötzsch Martin Dzbor Michael Sintek Michael Smith Michael Schneider Olivier Corby Pascal Hitzler Peter Haase Peter Patel-Schneider Ratnesh Sahay Rinke Hoekstra Sandro Hawke Steve Battle Suzette Stoutenburg Tommie Meyer Uli Sattler Vassilis Tzouvaras Vipul Kashyap Vit Novacek Vojtech Svatek Zhe Wu Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
can't understand ←
18:59:40 <Zakim> pfps, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: alanr (67%), Sandro (67%)
Zakim IRC Bot: pfps, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: alanr (67%), Sandro (67%) ←
18:59:52 <Zakim> JeffP, listening for 11 seconds I heard sound from the following: alanr (46%), pfps (30%)
Zakim IRC Bot: JeffP, listening for 11 seconds I heard sound from the following: alanr (46%), pfps (30%) ←
19:00:24 <pfps> zakim, mute me
Peter Patel-Schneider: zakim, mute me ←
19:00:24 <Zakim> pfps should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: pfps should now be muted ←
19:00:56 <Carsten> alan: peter is suggesting that we restore anonymous individuals as they existed; existential semantics. If we adopt skolemization, then go back and change it again
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Alan Ruttenberg: peter is suggesting that we restore anonymous individuals as they existed; existential semantics. If we adopt skolemization, then go back and change it again ←
19:01:21 <m_schnei> +q
Michael Schneider: +q ←
19:01:25 <pfps> ok
19:01:26 <m_schnei> zakim, unmute me
Michael Schneider: zakim, unmute me ←
19:01:26 <Zakim> m_schnei should no longer be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: m_schnei should no longer be muted ←
19:01:28 <alanr> ack pfps
Alan Ruttenberg: ack pfps ←
19:01:29 <Zakim> pfps, you wanted to mention that that is not issue-3
Zakim IRC Bot: pfps, you wanted to mention that that is not ISSUE-3 ←
19:01:31 <ivan> ack m_schnei
Ivan Herman: ack m_schnei ←
19:01:32 <pfps> q-
19:01:33 <alanr> ack michael
Alan Ruttenberg: ack michael ←
19:01:35 <m_schnei> zakim, mute me
Michael Schneider: zakim, mute me ←
19:01:38 <Carsten> m_schnei: has it really been existential semantics?
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Michael Schneider: has it really been existential semantics? ←
19:01:39 <pfps> zakim, unmute me
Peter Patel-Schneider: zakim, unmute me ←
19:01:40 <Zakim> m_schnei should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: m_schnei should now be muted ←
19:01:43 <Zakim> pfps was not muted, pfps
Zakim IRC Bot: pfps was not muted, pfps ←
19:01:51 <m_schnei> zakim, unmute me
Michael Schneider: zakim, unmute me ←
19:01:51 <Zakim> m_schnei should no longer be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: m_schnei should no longer be muted ←
19:01:54 <m_schnei> zakim, mute me
Michael Schneider: zakim, mute me ←
19:01:54 <Zakim> m_schnei should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: m_schnei should now be muted ←
19:01:55 <Carsten> peter: owl 1.0 was existential semantics; whether people implemented or not is separate issue
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Scribe problem: the name 'peter' is ambiguous. It could be any of: Peter Patel-Schneider Peter Haase . Either change the name used or insert a 'PRESENT: ...' line to restrict the active names.
Unknown peter: owl 1.0 was existential semantics; whether people implemented or not is separate issue ←
19:01:55 <pfps> zakim, mute me
Peter Patel-Schneider: zakim, mute me ←
19:01:55 <Zakim> pfps should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: pfps should now be muted ←
19:01:58 <pfps> ok
19:02:15 <Carsten> action: peter send out a proposal for anonymous individuals
ACTION: peter send out a proposal for anonymous individuals ←
19:02:15 <trackbot-ng> Sorry, amibiguous username (more than one match) - peter
Trackbot IRC Bot: Sorry, amibiguous username (more than one match) - peter ←
19:02:15 <trackbot-ng> Try using a different identifier, such as family name or username (eg. ppatelsc, phaase)
Trackbot IRC Bot: Try using a different identifier, such as family name or username (eg. ppatelsc, phaase) ←
19:02:29 <pfps> ACTION: pfps send out proposal for minimal change for issue-3
ACTION: pfps send out proposal for minimal change for ISSUE-3 ←
19:02:29 <trackbot-ng> Sorry, couldn't find user - pfps
Trackbot IRC Bot: Sorry, couldn't find user - pfps ←
19:02:48 <pfps> ACTION: patel-schneider send out proposal for minimal change for issue-3
ACTION: patel-schneider send out proposal for minimal change for ISSUE-3 ←
19:02:48 <trackbot-ng> Created ACTION-81 - Send out proposal for minimal change for issue-3 [on Peter Patel-Schneider - due 2008-02-13].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-81 - Send out proposal for minimal change for ISSUE-3 [on Peter Patel-Schneider - due 2008-02-13]. ←
19:02:58 <hendler> fwiw, since we've put off the Use Cases document it would help us non-logicians (or old fashioned logic types) if proposals for things like this could include some common sense use cases
James Hendler: fwiw, since we've put off the Use Cases document it would help us non-logicians (or old fashioned logic types) if proposals for things like this could include some common sense use cases ←
19:03:14 <pfps> zakim, who is talking?
Peter Patel-Schneider: zakim, who is talking? ←
19:03:27 <Zakim> pfps, listening for 11 seconds I heard sound from the following: alanr (85%), Sandro (40%)
Zakim IRC Bot: pfps, listening for 11 seconds I heard sound from the following: alanr (85%), Sandro (40%) ←
19:03:29 <uli> alanr, we can't hear you enough
Uli Sattler: alanr, we can't hear you enough ←
19:03:46 <Carsten> alan: explains issue 68
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Alan Ruttenberg: explains ISSUE-68 ←
19:04:07 <MarkusK> alanr, your phone seems to create noise internally
Markus Krötzsch: alanr, your phone seems to create noise internally ←
19:04:23 <Zakim> -alanr
Zakim IRC Bot: -alanr ←
19:04:32 <hendler> can we adjourn while the chair is away?
James Hendler: can we adjourn while the chair is away? ←
19:04:33 <uli> yes
Uli Sattler: yes ←
19:04:34 <pfps> zakim, who is talking?
Peter Patel-Schneider: zakim, who is talking? ←
19:04:38 <alanr> :)
Alan Ruttenberg: :) ←
19:04:44 <Zakim> pfps, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: bcuencag (4%)
Zakim IRC Bot: pfps, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: bcuencag (4%) ←
19:04:47 <Zakim> +alanr
Zakim IRC Bot: +alanr ←
19:04:49 <bcuencag> Zakim, mute me
Bernardo Cuenca Grau: Zakim, mute me ←
19:04:49 <Zakim> bcuencag should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: bcuencag should now be muted ←
19:04:57 <Zakim> -Vipul_Kashyap
Zakim IRC Bot: -Vipul_Kashyap ←
19:05:08 <uli> zakim, mute bcuencag
Uli Sattler: zakim, mute bcuencag ←
19:05:08 <Zakim> bcuencag was already muted, uli
Zakim IRC Bot: bcuencag was already muted, uli ←
19:05:18 <bijan> p domain c.
Bijan Parsia: p domain c. ←
19:05:30 <bijan> s p o.
Bijan Parsia: s p o. ←
19:05:40 <bijan> ==> s rdf:type c
Bijan Parsia: ==> s rdf:type c ←
19:06:21 <bijan> If we have p rdf:type DataProperty and p rdf:type ObjectProperty
Bijan Parsia: If we have p rdf:type DataProperty and p rdf:type ObjectProperty ←
19:06:29 <bijan> then instead of going to rdfs:domain
Bijan Parsia: then instead of going to rdfs:domain ←
19:06:30 <JeffP> +1 to postpone
19:06:41 <bijan> You go to owl:objectDomain (or something similar)
Bijan Parsia: You go to owl:objectDomain (or something similar) ←
19:06:50 <Carsten> issue 68 postponed; should be discussed with Jeremy
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ISSUE-68 postponed; should be discussed with Jeremy ←
19:07:14 <bijan> (can't we solve this by *adding* the more specific domain as well as the rdfs:domain?)
Bijan Parsia: (can't we solve this by *adding* the more specific domain as well as the rdfs:domain?) ←
19:07:15 <Carsten> Rinke introduces Issue 91
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19:08:07 <bmotik> q+
Boris Motik: q+ ←
19:08:12 <bmotik> Zakim, unmute me
Boris Motik: Zakim, unmute me ←
19:08:12 <Zakim> bmotik should no longer be muted
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19:08:39 <Carsten> boris: when you say there are no ontology, do you mean there is no well-known ontology property, or there is no ontology property as such?
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Boris Motik: when you say there are no ontology, do you mean there is no well-known ontology property, or there is no ontology property as such? ←
19:08:53 <bmotik> Zakim, mute me
Boris Motik: Zakim, mute me ←
19:08:53 <Zakim> bmotik should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: bmotik should now be muted ←
19:09:04 <bmotik> Zakim, unmute me
Boris Motik: Zakim, unmute me ←
19:09:04 <Zakim> bmotik should no longer be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: bmotik should no longer be muted ←
19:09:09 <bmotik> q+
Boris Motik: q+ ←
19:09:14 <bijan> we should add the builtin list of ontology annotations
Bijan Parsia: we should add the builtin list of ontology annotations ←
19:09:29 <alanr> q+ alanr
Alan Ruttenberg: q+ alanr ←
19:09:32 <pfps> to what end?
Peter Patel-Schneider: to what end? ←
19:09:32 <alanr> ack bmotik
Alan Ruttenberg: ack bmotik ←
19:09:44 <Carsten> rinke: we should add the builtin list of ontology annotations
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Rinke Hoekstra: we should add the builtin list of ontology annotations ←
19:09:47 <hendler> +1 to bijan
James Hendler: +1 to bijan ←
19:10:25 <Carsten> alan: this is separate from the roundtripping issue
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Alan Ruttenberg: this is separate from the roundtripping issue ←
19:10:35 <Carsten> alan: we should not couple?
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Alan Ruttenberg: we should not couple? ←
19:10:52 <alanr> q?
Alan Ruttenberg: q? ←
19:10:55 <alanr> ack alanr
Alan Ruttenberg: ack alanr ←
19:10:58 <ivan> ack alanr
Ivan Herman: ack alanr ←
19:11:03 <Carsten> boris: we can easily mention this list of various anotation properties in the current documents
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Boris Motik: we can easily mention this list of various anotation properties in the current documents ←
19:11:12 <Carsten> boris: we could then close the issue potentially
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Boris Motik: we could then close the issue potentially ←
19:11:48 <Carsten> alan: any objections?
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Alan Ruttenberg: any objections? ←
19:11:49 <pfps> +1 to editorial
Peter Patel-Schneider: +1 to editorial ←
19:11:50 <bijan> +1 to editorial
Bijan Parsia: +1 to editorial ←
19:11:52 <Rinke> +1
Rinke Hoekstra: +1 ←
19:11:52 <IanH> Sounds good to me!
Ian Horrocks: Sounds good to me! ←
19:11:53 <ivan> +1
Ivan Herman: +1 ←
19:11:54 <bmotik> +1 to editorial
Boris Motik: +1 to editorial ←
19:12:07 <uli> +1
Uli Sattler: +1 ←
19:12:08 <MartinD> +1
Martin Dzbor: +1 ←
19:12:44 <Carsten> issue 95
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19:12:55 <bmotik> ACTION: bmotik2 to Edit the secification to mention the well-known ontology properties in the spirit of OWL 1.0 and thus possibly resolve ISSUE-91
ACTION: bmotik2 to Edit the secification to mention the well-known ontology properties in the spirit of OWL 1.0 and thus possibly resolve ISSUE-91 ←
19:12:56 <trackbot-ng> Created ACTION-82 - Edit the secification to mention the well-known ontology properties in the spirit of OWL 1.0 and thus possibly resolve ISSUE-91 [on Boris Motik - due 2008-02-13].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-82 - Edit the secification to mention the well-known ontology properties in the spirit of OWL 1.0 and thus possibly resolve ISSUE-91 [on Boris Motik - due 2008-02-13]. ←
19:13:35 <pfps> q+
19:13:37 <msmith> q+ to commment
Michael Smith: q+ to commment ←
19:13:39 <m_schnei> +q
Michael Schneider: +q ←
19:13:39 <pfps> zakim, unmute me
Peter Patel-Schneider: zakim, unmute me ←
19:13:40 <Zakim> pfps should no longer be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: pfps should no longer be muted ←
19:13:42 <ivan> ack pfps
Ivan Herman: ack pfps ←
19:13:43 <alanr> q?
Alan Ruttenberg: q? ←
19:13:59 <bmotik> q+
Boris Motik: q+ ←
19:14:09 <Carsten> peter: simple way forward: state that the only facets allowable are those in XML schema datatypes; tiny change to the syntax
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Unknown peter: simple way forward: state that the only facets allowable are those in XML schema datatypes; tiny change to the syntax ←
19:14:34 <ivan> ack msmith
Ivan Herman: ack msmith ←
19:14:34 <Zakim> msmith, you wanted to commment
Zakim IRC Bot: msmith, you wanted to commment ←
19:14:35 <uli> +1 to Peter
Uli Sattler: +1 to Peter ←
19:14:35 <alanr> q?
Alan Ruttenberg: q? ←
19:14:38 <pfps> zakim, mute me
Peter Patel-Schneider: zakim, mute me ←
19:14:38 <Zakim> pfps should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: pfps should now be muted ←
19:14:45 <Carsten> peter: user-defined datatypes should have in the spec which facets make sense for them
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Unknown peter: user-defined datatypes should have in the spec which facets make sense for them ←
19:14:47 <bijan> User defined types are constrainted by their base type
Bijan Parsia: User defined types are constrainted by their base type ←
19:14:52 <m_schnei> q-
Michael Schneider: q- ←
19:15:01 <alanr> q?
Alan Ruttenberg: q? ←
19:15:06 <alanr> ack bmotik
Alan Ruttenberg: ack bmotik ←
19:15:07 <bijan> New *base* types must spec what facets (new or old) are possible
Bijan Parsia: New *base* types must spec what facets (new or old) are possible ←
19:15:08 <Carsten> msmith: agrees with peter
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Michael Smith: agrees with peter ←
19:15:42 <bijan> +1 to boris as I run screaming into the night!
Bijan Parsia: +1 to boris as I run screaming into the night! ←
19:15:48 <pfps> I have a syntax change that fixes that issue
Peter Patel-Schneider: I have a syntax change that fixes that issue ←
19:15:49 <JeffP> +1 boris
19:15:50 <msmith> q+ to respond to boris
Michael Smith: q+ to respond to boris ←
19:15:51 <alanr> q+ to ask boris about datatype restrictions such as pattern matching
Alan Ruttenberg: q+ to ask boris about datatype restrictions such as pattern matching ←
19:15:52 <m_schnei> +q
Michael Schneider: +q ←
19:15:53 <alanr> q?
Alan Ruttenberg: q? ←
19:15:59 <ivan> ack msmith
Ivan Herman: ack msmith ←
19:15:59 <Zakim> msmith, you wanted to respond to boris
Zakim IRC Bot: msmith, you wanted to respond to boris ←
19:16:02 <Carsten> boris: you can currently put a datarange restriction on non-integers; difficult to implement; this should be changed; argument of datatype restriction should be a datatype
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Boris Motik: you can currently put a datarange restriction on non-integers; difficult to implement; this should be changed; argument of datatype restriction should be a datatype ←
19:16:16 <ivan> ack msmith
Ivan Herman: ack msmith ←
19:16:43 <hendler> q+
James Hendler: q+ ←
19:16:44 <alanr> ack
Alan Ruttenberg: ack ←
19:16:45 <Carsten> msmith: doesn't seem so important
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Michael Smith: doesn't seem so important ←
19:16:49 <alanr> ack alanr
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19:16:49 <Zakim> alanr, you wanted to ask boris about datatype restrictions such as pattern matching
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19:17:09 <ivan> q+
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19:18:04 <ivan> q-
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19:18:11 <ivan> ack m_schnei
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19:18:15 <Carsten> boris: issues with compatibility; is non-integer compatible with min-inclusive? Facets only on datatypes, not datatype expressions
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Boris Motik: issues with compatibility; is non-integer compatible with min-inclusive? Facets only on datatypes, not datatype expressions ←
19:18:39 <bijan> q+
Bijan Parsia: q+ ←
19:18:41 <alanr> q+ to get clarification from boris - What about Mike's proposal re: Value space. Also, what about saying no facets allowed for expressions
Alan Ruttenberg: q+ to get clarification from boris - What about Mike's proposal re: Value space. Also, what about saying no facets allowed for expressions ←
19:18:45 <bijan> zakim, unmute me
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19:18:45 <Zakim> bijan was not muted, bijan
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19:18:46 <m_schnei> zakim, mute me
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19:18:50 <alanr> q?
Alan Ruttenberg: q? ←
19:18:54 <ivan> ack jhendler
Ivan Herman: ack jhendler ←
19:18:58 <JeffP> one solution about the negation issue is to specify the groups of datatypes intended to be used with the ontolgoy
Jeff Pan: one solution about the negation issue is to specify the groups of datatypes intended to be used with the ontolgoy ←
19:19:14 <pfps> datatypeRestriction ::= ( datatypeRestriction | datatypeURI )
Peter Patel-Schneider: datatypeRestriction ::= ( datatypeRestriction | datatypeURI ) ←
19:19:16 <pfps> '[' datatypeFacet restrictionValue { , datatypeFacet restrictionValue } ']'
Peter Patel-Schneider: '[' datatypeFacet restrictionValue { , datatypeFacet restrictionValue } ']' ←
19:19:17 <pfps> Note: If the datatypeURI involved is an XML Schema datatype then the
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19:19:19 <pfps> datatypeFacets and restrictionValues have to be valid for that datatype.
Peter Patel-Schneider: datatypeFacets and restrictionValues have to be valid for that datatype. ←
19:19:26 <bmotik> q+
Boris Motik: q+ ←
19:19:49 <ivan> ack bijan
Ivan Herman: ack bijan ←
19:19:50 <uli> Jim, this is exactly what we are proposing?
Uli Sattler: Jim, this is exactly what we are proposing? ←
19:19:58 <Carsten> hendler: we are formalizing things that are maybe better not formalized; lets go for a minimal solution and not fix how to handle the other cases at this point of time
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James Hendler: we are formalizing things that are maybe better not formalized; lets go for a minimal solution and not fix how to handle the other cases at this point of time ←
19:20:18 <alanr> q?
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19:20:28 <Zakim> pfps was already muted, pfps
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19:20:30 <alanr> ack alanr
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19:20:30 <Zakim> alanr, you wanted to get clarification from boris - What about Mike's proposal re: Value space. Also, what about saying no facets allowed for expressions
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19:20:34 <Carsten> bijan: some facets are always applicable; things that restrict the lexical form. Not very interesting to spec, though.
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Bijan Parsia: some facets are always applicable; things that restrict the lexical form. Not very interesting to spec, though. ←
19:20:35 <ivan> what about Lee's question on the lang tag on strings?
Ivan Herman: what about Lee's question on the lang tag on strings? ←
19:20:37 <msmith> I don't think any of the facets we have now work on lexical forms
Michael Smith: I don't think any of the facets we have now work on lexical forms ←
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19:21:20 <m_schnei> zakim, unmute me
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19:21:28 <m_schnei> zakim, mute me
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19:21:49 <alanr> q?
Alan Ruttenberg: q? ←
19:21:58 <JeffP> in a datatype group, only the allowed facets are allowed to be used
Jeff Pan: in a datatype group, only the allowed facets are allowed to be used ←
19:22:11 <bijan> I think that a simple syntactic restriction is the best way forward
Bijan Parsia: I think that a simple syntactic restriction is the best way forward ←
19:22:30 <JeffP> we might need something a bit more than that
Jeff Pan: we might need something a bit more than that ←
19:22:34 <hendler> boy I wish we had a use case or two to anchor this description to real world cases...
James Hendler: boy I wish we had a use case or two to anchor this description to real world cases... ←
19:22:41 <IanH> q+
Ian Horrocks: q+ ←
19:22:47 <alanr> ack bmotik
Alan Ruttenberg: ack bmotik ←
19:23:27 <Carsten> m_schnei: we could allow application to datatype expressions, as long as they are "compatible" with the facet
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Michael Schneider: we could allow application to datatype expressions, as long as they are "compatible" with the facet ←
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19:24:07 <pfps> bye
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19:24:13 <JeffP> bye, peter
19:24:18 <m_schnei> +q
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19:24:20 <Zakim> -pfps
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19:24:56 <alanr> q?
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19:25:03 <alanr> ack IanH
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19:25:03 <ivan> ack IanH
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19:25:05 <Carsten> ian: let's do something simple; hard to imagine that in application we need more than basic facets on basic datatypes; solution like in OWL 1.0: this is what we support, people can go beyond that but we don't spec it
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Ian Horrocks: let's do something simple; hard to imagine that in application we need more than basic facets on basic datatypes; solution like in OWL 1.0: this is what we support, people can go beyond that but we don't spec it ←
19:25:07 <ivan> ack m_schnei
Ivan Herman: ack m_schnei ←
19:25:13 <uli> I thought that this is the current suggestion
Uli Sattler: I thought that this is the current suggestion ←
19:25:29 <JeffP> +1 to simple solution that works
Jeff Pan: +1 to simple solution that works ←
19:25:30 <hendler> +1 to Ian re doing something simple in this apace
James Hendler: +1 to Ian re doing something simple in this apace ←
19:25:57 <Carsten> m_schnei: I meant: table with fixed set of datatypes and fixed set of facets which described applicability
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Michael Schneider: I meant: table with fixed set of datatypes and fixed set of facets which described applicability ←
19:26:21 <alanr> q+ alanr
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19:26:29 <IanH> This sounds reasonable (the table I mean)
Ian Horrocks: This sounds reasonable (the table I mean) ←
19:26:47 <IanH> Although I would prefer to simply defer to XML as far as possible
Ian Horrocks: Although I would prefer to simply defer to XML as far as possible ←
19:26:49 <uli> what about the table/descriptions at http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/wiki/N-ary_Data_predicate_proposal
Uli Sattler: what about the table/descriptions at http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/wiki/N-ary_Data_predicate_proposal ←
19:27:42 <msmith> ACTION on smith to send email describing what may be lost if facets are only applied to datatypeURI
Michael Smith: ACTION on smith to send email describing what may be lost if facets are only applied to datatypeURI ←
19:28:00 <IanH> Table uli pointed to looks reasonable
Ian Horrocks: Table uli pointed to looks reasonable ←
19:28:45 <m_schnei> my counter example for *not* having facet definitions on complex dataranges: oneOf("2"^^xsd:int, "3.14"^^xsd:float, "hello world"^^xsd:string)
Michael Schneider: my counter example for *not* having facet definitions on complex dataranges: oneOf("2"^^xsd:int, "3.14"^^xsd:float, "hello world"^^xsd:string) ←
19:29:08 <bmotik> They are bad!
Boris Motik: They are bad! ←
19:29:16 <msmith> they are certainly hard
Michael Smith: they are certainly hard ←
19:29:23 <uli> They are wonderful!
Uli Sattler: They are wonderful! ←
19:29:28 <hendler> +1 to making complex dataranges "unspecified" from this version of OWL
James Hendler: +1 to making complex dataranges "unspecified" from this version of OWL ←
19:29:28 <uli> ;)
Uli Sattler: ;) ←
19:29:50 <bijan> Whoa!
Bijan Parsia: Whoa! ←
19:30:02 <bijan> Can we merge this with n-ary?
Bijan Parsia: Can we merge this with n-ary? ←
19:30:10 <uli> Yes, please!
Uli Sattler: Yes, please! ←
19:30:14 <bijan> Boris, see: http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/wiki/N-ary_Data_predicate_proposal
Bijan Parsia: Boris, see: http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/wiki/N-ary_Data_predicate_proposal ←
19:30:16 <msmith> ACTION: smith to send email describing what may be lost if facets are only applied to datatypeURI
ACTION: smith to send email describing what may be lost if facets are only applied to datatypeURI ←
19:30:16 <trackbot-ng> Created ACTION-83 - Send email describing what may be lost if facets are only applied to datatypeURI [on Michael Smith - due 2008-02-13].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-83 - Send email describing what may be lost if facets are only applied to datatypeURI [on Michael Smith - due 2008-02-13]. ←
19:30:19 <IanH> Boris sounds terribly enthusiastic!
Ian Horrocks: Boris sounds terribly enthusiastic! ←
19:30:20 <bmotik> ACTION: bmotik2 to Change the spec to add a table with facet-datatype compatibility
ACTION: bmotik2 to Change the spec to add a table with facet-datatype compatibility ←
19:30:20 <trackbot-ng> Created ACTION-84 - Change the spec to add a table with facet-datatype compatibility [on Boris Motik - due 2008-02-13].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-84 - Change the spec to add a table with facet-datatype compatibility [on Boris Motik - due 2008-02-13]. ←
19:30:35 <JeffP> thanks, bye
19:30:35 <uli> bye bye
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19:30:56 <alanr> zakim, draft minutes
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19:31:03 <Carsten> What do I have to do now?
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What do I have to do now? ←
19:31:08 <alanr> rrsagent, draft minutes
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19:31:18 <alanr> rrsagent, make minutes world-readable
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Zakim IRC Bot: SW_OWL()12:00PM has ended ←
19:32:23 <Zakim> Attendees were +1.301.527.aaaa, bijan, alanr, bmotik, uli, +31.20.525.aabb, Rinke, MarkusK, msmith, m_schnei, Achille, jhendler, +49.351.463.3.aacc, Carsten, Ratnesh, +7.955.aadd,
Zakim IRC Bot: Attendees were +1.301.527.aaaa, bijan, alanr, bmotik, uli, +31.20.525.aabb, Rinke, MarkusK, msmith, m_schnei, Achille, jhendler, +49.351.463.3.aacc, Carsten, Ratnesh, +7.955.aadd, ←
19:32:26 <Zakim> ... pfps, jeremy, Ivan, Sandro, Zhe, bcuencag, Elisa_Kendall, Evan_Wallace, Vipul_Kashyap, MartinD, ianh
Zakim IRC Bot: ... pfps, jeremy, Ivan, Sandro, Zhe, bcuencag, Elisa_Kendall, Evan_Wallace, Vipul_Kashyap, MartinD, ianh ←
19:32:34 <sandro> RRSAgent, make record publit
Sandro Hawke: RRSAgent, make record publit ←
19:32:36 <sandro> RRSAgent, make record public
Sandro Hawke: RRSAgent, make record public ←
19:33:16 <Carsten> sandro, is there anything I have to do now?
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Scribe problem: the name 'Carsten' does not match any of the 48 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Achille Fokoue Alan Ruttenberg Anne Cregan Bernardo Cuenca Grau Bijan Parsia Boris Motik Conrad Bock Deborah McGuinness Doug Lenat Elisa Kendall Enrico Franconi Evan Wallace Evren Sirin Fabian Neuhaus Fabien Gandon Giorgos Stamou Giorgos Stoilos Ian Horrocks Ivan Herman James Hendler Jeff Pan Jeremy Carroll Joanne Luciano Jonathan Rees Markus Krötzsch Martin Dzbor Michael Sintek Michael Smith Michael Schneider Olivier Corby Pascal Hitzler Peter Haase Peter Patel-Schneider Ratnesh Sahay Rinke Hoekstra Sandro Hawke Steve Battle Suzette Stoutenburg Tommie Meyer Uli Sattler Vassilis Tzouvaras Vipul Kashyap Vit Novacek Vojtech Svatek Zhe Wu Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
sandro, is there anything I have to do now? ←
19:33:50 <sandro> Ummmm.
Sandro Hawke: Ummmm. ←
19:34:20 <sandro> Not yet, I'll put them up on the wiki in a few minutes, and then you can edit them there.
Sandro Hawke: Not yet, I'll put them up on the wiki in a few minutes, and then you can edit them there. ←
19:34:55 <Carsten> ok, thanks. I suppose I can use the link on the meetings page to reach them then?
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Scribe problem: the name 'Carsten' does not match any of the 48 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Achille Fokoue Alan Ruttenberg Anne Cregan Bernardo Cuenca Grau Bijan Parsia Boris Motik Conrad Bock Deborah McGuinness Doug Lenat Elisa Kendall Enrico Franconi Evan Wallace Evren Sirin Fabian Neuhaus Fabien Gandon Giorgos Stamou Giorgos Stoilos Ian Horrocks Ivan Herman James Hendler Jeff Pan Jeremy Carroll Joanne Luciano Jonathan Rees Markus Krötzsch Martin Dzbor Michael Sintek Michael Smith Michael Schneider Olivier Corby Pascal Hitzler Peter Haase Peter Patel-Schneider Ratnesh Sahay Rinke Hoekstra Sandro Hawke Steve Battle Suzette Stoutenburg Tommie Meyer Uli Sattler Vassilis Tzouvaras Vipul Kashyap Vit Novacek Vojtech Svatek Zhe Wu Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
ok, thanks. I suppose I can use the link on the meetings page to reach them then? ←
19:35:09 <sandro> sure, or I'll post it here, if you want to wait.
Sandro Hawke: sure, or I'll post it here, if you want to wait. ←
19:35:27 <Carsten> yes, please post it.
Scribe problem: the name 'Carsten' does not match any of the 48 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Achille Fokoue Alan Ruttenberg Anne Cregan Bernardo Cuenca Grau Bijan Parsia Boris Motik Conrad Bock Deborah McGuinness Doug Lenat Elisa Kendall Enrico Franconi Evan Wallace Evren Sirin Fabian Neuhaus Fabien Gandon Giorgos Stamou Giorgos Stoilos Ian Horrocks Ivan Herman James Hendler Jeff Pan Jeremy Carroll Joanne Luciano Jonathan Rees Markus Krötzsch Martin Dzbor Michael Sintek Michael Smith Michael Schneider Olivier Corby Pascal Hitzler Peter Haase Peter Patel-Schneider Ratnesh Sahay Rinke Hoekstra Sandro Hawke Steve Battle Suzette Stoutenburg Tommie Meyer Uli Sattler Vassilis Tzouvaras Vipul Kashyap Vit Novacek Vojtech Svatek Zhe Wu Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
Scribe problem: the name 'Carsten' does not match any of the 48 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Achille Fokoue Alan Ruttenberg Anne Cregan Bernardo Cuenca Grau Bijan Parsia Boris Motik Conrad Bock Deborah McGuinness Doug Lenat Elisa Kendall Enrico Franconi Evan Wallace Evren Sirin Fabian Neuhaus Fabien Gandon Giorgos Stamou Giorgos Stoilos Ian Horrocks Ivan Herman James Hendler Jeff Pan Jeremy Carroll Joanne Luciano Jonathan Rees Markus Krötzsch Martin Dzbor Michael Sintek Michael Smith Michael Schneider Olivier Corby Pascal Hitzler Peter Haase Peter Patel-Schneider Ratnesh Sahay Rinke Hoekstra Sandro Hawke Steve Battle Suzette Stoutenburg Tommie Meyer Uli Sattler Vassilis Tzouvaras Vipul Kashyap Vit Novacek Vojtech Svatek Zhe Wu Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
yes, please post it. ←
19:36:37 <sandro> Present: bijan, alanr, bmotik, uli, Rinke, MarkusK, msmith, m_schnei, Achille, jhendler, Carsten, Ratnesh, pfps, jeremy, Ivan, Sandro, Zhe, bcuencag, Elisa_Kendall, Evan_Wallace, Vipul_Kashyap, MartinD, ianh
Scribe problem: the name 'Carsten' does not match any of the 45 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Achille Fokoue Alan Ruttenberg Anne Cregan Bernardo Cuenca Grau Bijan Parsia Boris Motik Conrad Bock Deborah McGuinness Doug Lenat Elisa Kendall Enrico Franconi Evan Wallace Evren Sirin Fabian Neuhaus Fabien Gandon Giorgos Stamou Giorgos Stoilos Ian Horrocks Ivan Herman James Hendler Jeff Pan Jeremy Carroll Joanne Luciano Jonathan Rees Markus Krötzsch Martin Dzbor Michael Sintek Michael Smith Michael Schneider Olivier Corby Pascal Hitzler Peter Haase Peter Patel-Schneider Ratnesh Sahay Rinke Hoekstra Sandro Hawke Steve Battle Suzette Stoutenburg Tommie Meyer Uli Sattler Vassilis Tzouvaras Vipul Kashyap Vit Novacek Vojtech Svatek Zhe Wu
19:37:34 <sandro> Done. http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/wiki/Teleconference.2008.02.06/Minutes
Sandro Hawke: Done. http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/wiki/Teleconference.2008.02.06/Minutes ←
19:38:16 <Carsten> great, thanks
great, thanks ←
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