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17:55:30 <RRSAgent> logging to http://www.w3.org/2007/11/28-owl-irc
RRSAgent IRC Bot: logging to http://www.w3.org/2007/11/28-owl-irc ←
17:55:40 <jeremy> Zakim, this is SW_OWL
Jeremy Carroll: Zakim, this is SW_OWL ←
17:55:40 <Zakim> jeremy, I see SW_OWL()12:00PM in the schedule but not yet started. Perhaps you mean "this will be SW_OWL".
Zakim IRC Bot: jeremy, I see SW_OWL()12:00PM in the schedule but not yet started. Perhaps you mean "this will be SW_OWL". ←
17:55:49 <jeremy> Zakim, this will be SW_OWL
Jeremy Carroll: Zakim, this will be SW_OWL ←
17:55:49 <Zakim> ok, jeremy; I see SW_OWL()12:00PM scheduled to start 55 minutes ago
Zakim IRC Bot: ok, jeremy; I see SW_OWL()12:00PM scheduled to start 55 minutes ago ←
17:56:45 <Zakim> SW_OWL()12:00PM has now started
Zakim IRC Bot: SW_OWL()12:00PM has now started ←
17:56:52 <Zakim> +??P13
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P13 ←
17:56:56 <jeremy> Zakim, ??P13 is me
Jeremy Carroll: Zakim, ??P13 is me ←
17:56:56 <Zakim> +jeremy; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +jeremy; got it ←
17:58:56 <Zakim> +[IBM]
Zakim IRC Bot: +[IBM] ←
17:59:06 <Zakim> +??P16
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P16 ←
17:59:16 <Zakim> +MIchaelSmith
Zakim IRC Bot: +MIchaelSmith ←
17:59:20 <bmotik> Zakim, ??p16 is bmotik
Boris Motik: Zakim, ??p16 is bmotik ←
17:59:20 <Zakim> +bmotik; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +bmotik; got it ←
17:59:26 <Zakim> +Alan
Zakim IRC Bot: +Alan ←
17:59:27 <bmotik> Zakim, mute me
Boris Motik: Zakim, mute me ←
17:59:28 <Zakim> bmotik should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: bmotik should now be muted ←
17:59:36 <Zakim> +JeffP
Zakim IRC Bot: +JeffP ←
17:59:43 <ivan> zakim, dial ivan-voip
Ivan Herman: zakim, dial ivan-voip ←
17:59:43 <Zakim> ok, ivan; the call is being made
Zakim IRC Bot: ok, ivan; the call is being made ←
17:59:44 <achille> Zakim, IBM is achille
Achille Fokoue: Zakim, IBM is achille ←
17:59:44 <Zakim> +Ivan
Zakim IRC Bot: +Ivan ←
17:59:45 <Zakim> +achille; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +achille; got it ←
18:00:14 <Zakim> +??P11
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P11 ←
18:00:22 <Zakim> +??P15
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P15 ←
18:00:30 <Zakim> +??P19
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P19 ←
18:00:50 <pfps> zakim, who is on the phone
Peter Patel-Schneider: zakim, who is on the phone ←
18:00:52 <Zakim> I don't understand 'who is on the phone', pfps
Zakim IRC Bot: I don't understand 'who is on the phone', pfps ←
18:01:04 <bijan> zakim, ??P15 is me
Bijan Parsia: zakim, ??P15 is me ←
18:01:07 <Zakim> +bijan; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +bijan; got it ←
18:01:13 <bijan> zakim, mute me
Bijan Parsia: zakim, mute me ←
18:01:13 <alanr> zakim, who is on the call
Alan Ruttenberg: zakim, who is on the call ←
18:01:14 <Zakim> bijan should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: bijan should now be muted ←
18:01:16 <Zakim> I don't understand 'who is on the call', alanr
Zakim IRC Bot: I don't understand 'who is on the call', alanr ←
18:01:21 <alanr> zakim, who is here
Alan Ruttenberg: zakim, who is here ←
18:01:21 <Zakim> alanr, you need to end that query with '?'
Zakim IRC Bot: alanr, you need to end that query with '?' ←
18:01:25 <alanr> zakim, who is here?
Alan Ruttenberg: zakim, who is here? ←
18:01:25 <Zakim> On the phone I see jeremy, achille, bmotik (muted), +1.202.408.aaaa, Alan, JeffP, Ivan, ??P11, bijan (muted), ??P19
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see jeremy, achille, bmotik (muted), +1.202.408.aaaa, Alan, JeffP, Ivan, ??P11, bijan (muted), ??P19 ←
18:01:27 <Zakim> On IRC I see pfps, Carsten, bijan, Ratnesh, uli, IanH, bmotik, JeffP, MichaelSmith, achille, alanr, RRSAgent, Zakim, jeremy, ivan, MartinD, trackbot-ng, sandro, ewallace
Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see pfps, Carsten, bijan, Ratnesh, uli, IanH, bmotik, JeffP, MichaelSmith, achille, alanr, RRSAgent, Zakim, jeremy, ivan, MartinD, trackbot-ng, sandro, ewallace ←
18:01:32 <Zakim> +Vipul_Kashyap
Zakim IRC Bot: +Vipul_Kashyap ←
18:01:42 <Zakim> +MartinD
Zakim IRC Bot: +MartinD ←
18:01:43 <pfps> zakim, ?p11 is me
Peter Patel-Schneider: zakim, ?p11 is me ←
18:01:46 <Zakim> sorry, pfps, I do not recognize a party named '?p11'
Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, pfps, I do not recognize a party named '?p11' ←
18:01:47 <uli> zakim, ??P15 is me
Uli Sattler: zakim, ??P15 is me ←
18:01:50 <Zakim> I already had ??P15 as bijan, uli
Zakim IRC Bot: I already had ??P15 as bijan, uli ←
18:01:53 <pfps> zakim, ??p11 is me
Peter Patel-Schneider: zakim, ??p11 is me ←
18:01:54 <Zakim> +??P24
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P24 ←
18:01:56 <Zakim> +pfps; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +pfps; got it ←
18:01:56 <pfps> zakim, mute me
Peter Patel-Schneider: zakim, mute me ←
18:02:00 <Zakim> pfps should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: pfps should now be muted ←
18:02:04 <alanr> zakim, who is here?
Alan Ruttenberg: zakim, who is here? ←
18:02:09 <uli> zakim, ??p11 is me
Uli Sattler: zakim, ??p11 is me ←
18:02:09 <Conrad> Conrad
Conrad Bock: Conrad ←
18:02:10 <Zakim> On the phone I see jeremy, achille, bmotik (muted), +1.202.408.aaaa, Alan, JeffP, Ivan, pfps (muted), bijan (muted), ??P19 (muted), Vipul_Kashyap, MartinD, ??P24
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see jeremy, achille, bmotik (muted), +1.202.408.aaaa, Alan, JeffP, Ivan, pfps (muted), bijan (muted), ??P19 (muted), Vipul_Kashyap, MartinD, ??P24 ←
18:02:10 <jeremy> Zakim, mute me
Jeremy Carroll: Zakim, mute me ←
18:02:15 <MartinD> zakim, mute me
Martin Dzbor: zakim, mute me ←
18:02:19 <Zakim> I already had ??P11 as pfps, uli
Zakim IRC Bot: I already had ??P11 as pfps, uli ←
18:02:21 <Zakim> jeremy should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: jeremy should now be muted ←
18:02:27 <Zakim> On IRC I see Conrad, pfps, Carsten, bijan, Ratnesh, uli, IanH, bmotik, JeffP, MichaelSmith, achille, alanr, RRSAgent, Zakim, jeremy, ivan, MartinD, trackbot-ng, sandro, ewallace
Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see Conrad, pfps, Carsten, bijan, Ratnesh, uli, IanH, bmotik, JeffP, MichaelSmith, achille, alanr, RRSAgent, Zakim, jeremy, ivan, MartinD, trackbot-ng, sandro, ewallace ←
18:02:32 <Zakim> MartinD should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: MartinD should now be muted ←
18:02:37 <pfps> ack pfps
Peter Patel-Schneider: ack pfps ←
18:02:41 <alanr> zakim, who is here?
Alan Ruttenberg: zakim, who is here? ←
18:02:42 <MichaelSmith> zakim, +1.202.408.aaaa is me
Michael Smith: zakim, +1.202.408.aaaa is me ←
18:02:45 <Ratnesh> zakim, P24 is Ratnesh
Ratnesh Sahay: zakim, P24 is Ratnesh ←
18:02:47 <pfps> q?
18:02:52 <Zakim> On the phone I see jeremy (muted), achille, bmotik (muted), +1.202.408.aaaa, Alan, JeffP, Ivan, pfps, bijan (muted), ??P19 (muted), Vipul_Kashyap, MartinD (muted), ??P24
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see jeremy (muted), achille, bmotik (muted), +1.202.408.aaaa, Alan, JeffP, Ivan, pfps, bijan (muted), ??P19 (muted), Vipul_Kashyap, MartinD (muted), ??P24 ←
18:02:57 <Zakim> +MichaelSmith; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +MichaelSmith; got it ←
18:02:59 <Zakim> sorry, Ratnesh, I do not recognize a party named 'P24'
Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, Ratnesh, I do not recognize a party named 'P24' ←
18:03:05 <Zakim> +Evan_Wallace
Zakim IRC Bot: +Evan_Wallace ←
18:03:07 <Zakim> +IanH
Zakim IRC Bot: +IanH ←
18:03:08 <alanr> zakim, who is here?
Alan Ruttenberg: zakim, who is here? ←
18:03:11 <Zakim> On IRC I see Conrad, pfps, Carsten, bijan, Ratnesh, uli, IanH, bmotik, JeffP, MichaelSmith, achille, alanr, RRSAgent, Zakim, jeremy, ivan, MartinD, trackbot-ng, sandro, ewallace
Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see Conrad, pfps, Carsten, bijan, Ratnesh, uli, IanH, bmotik, JeffP, MichaelSmith, achille, alanr, RRSAgent, Zakim, jeremy, ivan, MartinD, trackbot-ng, sandro, ewallace ←
18:03:16 <Zakim> +??P27
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P27 ←
18:03:20 <Zakim> On the phone I see jeremy (muted), achille, bmotik (muted), MichaelSmith, Alan, JeffP, Ivan, pfps, bijan (muted), ??P19 (muted), Vipul_Kashyap, MartinD (muted), ??P24,
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see jeremy (muted), achille, bmotik (muted), MichaelSmith, Alan, JeffP, Ivan, pfps, bijan (muted), ??P19 (muted), Vipul_Kashyap, MartinD (muted), ??P24, ←
18:03:26 <Ratnesh> zakim, ?? P24 is Ratnesh
Ratnesh Sahay: zakim, ?? P24 is Ratnesh ←
18:03:29 <Zakim> ... Evan_Wallace, IanH, ??P27
Zakim IRC Bot: ... Evan_Wallace, IanH, ??P27 ←
18:03:36 <alanr> zakim, who is here?
Alan Ruttenberg: zakim, who is here? ←
18:03:39 <Zakim> On IRC I see bcuencag, Conrad, pfps, Carsten, bijan, Ratnesh, uli, IanH, bmotik, JeffP, MichaelSmith, achille, alanr, RRSAgent, Zakim, jeremy, ivan, MartinD, trackbot-ng, sandro,
Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see bcuencag, Conrad, pfps, Carsten, bijan, Ratnesh, uli, IanH, bmotik, JeffP, MichaelSmith, achille, alanr, RRSAgent, Zakim, jeremy, ivan, MartinD, trackbot-ng, sandro, ←
18:03:42 <Zakim> ... ewallace
Zakim IRC Bot: ... ewallace ←
18:03:45 <uli> zakim, ??P19 is me
Uli Sattler: zakim, ??P19 is me ←
18:03:46 <Zakim> I don't understand '?? P24 is Ratnesh', Ratnesh
Zakim IRC Bot: I don't understand '?? P24 is Ratnesh', Ratnesh ←
18:03:48 <Zakim> On the phone I see jeremy (muted), achille, bmotik (muted), MichaelSmith, Alan, JeffP, Ivan, pfps, bijan (muted), ??P19 (muted), Vipul_Kashyap, MartinD (muted), ??P24,
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see jeremy (muted), achille, bmotik (muted), MichaelSmith, Alan, JeffP, Ivan, pfps, bijan (muted), ??P19 (muted), Vipul_Kashyap, MartinD (muted), ??P24, ←
18:03:53 <alanr> zakim, who is here?
Alan Ruttenberg: zakim, who is here? ←
18:03:55 <Zakim> ... Evan_Wallace, IanH (muted), ??P27
Zakim IRC Bot: ... Evan_Wallace, IanH (muted), ??P27 ←
18:03:57 <Zakim> +Conrad
Zakim IRC Bot: +Conrad ←
18:04:01 <Zakim> +uli; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +uli; got it ←
18:04:05 <Zakim> On IRC I see pfps, Vipul, bcuencag, Conrad, Carsten, bijan, Ratnesh, uli, IanH, bmotik, JeffP, MichaelSmith, achille, alanr, RRSAgent, Zakim, jeremy, ivan, MartinD, trackbot-ng,
Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see pfps, Vipul, bcuencag, Conrad, Carsten, bijan, Ratnesh, uli, IanH, bmotik, JeffP, MichaelSmith, achille, alanr, RRSAgent, Zakim, jeremy, ivan, MartinD, trackbot-ng, ←
18:04:12 <Zakim> ... sandro, ewallace
Zakim IRC Bot: ... sandro, ewallace ←
18:04:14 <Zakim> On the phone I see jeremy (muted), achille, bmotik (muted), MichaelSmith, Alan, JeffP, Ivan, pfps, bijan (muted), uli (muted), Vipul_Kashyap, MartinD (muted), ??P24, Evan_Wallace,
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see jeremy (muted), achille, bmotik (muted), MichaelSmith, Alan, JeffP, Ivan, pfps, bijan (muted), uli (muted), Vipul_Kashyap, MartinD (muted), ??P24, Evan_Wallace, ←
18:04:17 <Zakim> ... IanH (muted), ??P27, +1.301.975.aaee
Zakim IRC Bot: ... IanH (muted), ??P27, +1.301.975.aaee ←
18:04:19 <Zakim> +Sandro
Zakim IRC Bot: +Sandro ←
18:04:25 <Zakim> On IRC I see zhe, pfps, Vipul, bcuencag, Conrad, Carsten, bijan, Ratnesh, uli, IanH, bmotik, JeffP, MichaelSmith, achille, alanr, RRSAgent, Zakim, jeremy, ivan, MartinD,
Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see zhe, pfps, Vipul, bcuencag, Conrad, Carsten, bijan, Ratnesh, uli, IanH, bmotik, JeffP, MichaelSmith, achille, alanr, RRSAgent, Zakim, jeremy, ivan, MartinD, ←
18:04:30 <Zakim> ... trackbot-ng, sandro, ewallace
Zakim IRC Bot: ... trackbot-ng, sandro, ewallace ←
18:04:34 <Zakim> +??P30
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P30 ←
18:04:47 <JeffP> zakim, who is talking?
Jeff Pan: zakim, who is talking? ←
18:04:54 <bcuencag> zakim, ??P30 is me
Bernardo Cuenca Grau: zakim, ??P30 is me ←
18:04:54 <Zakim> +bcuencag; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +bcuencag; got it ←
18:04:57 <Zakim> JeffP, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Alan (5%), Vipul_Kashyap (76%), Sandro (36%), ??P30 (17%)
Zakim IRC Bot: JeffP, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Alan (5%), Vipul_Kashyap (76%), Sandro (36%), ??P30 (17%) ←
18:05:05 <bmotik> I have quite a lot of static on the line. Do others have the same problem?
Boris Motik: I have quite a lot of static on the line. Do others have the same problem? ←
18:05:12 <Ratnesh> zakim, ??P24 is Ratnesh
Ratnesh Sahay: zakim, ??P24 is Ratnesh ←
18:05:12 <Zakim> +Ratnesh; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +Ratnesh; got it ←
18:05:14 <alanr> zakim, who is here?
Alan Ruttenberg: zakim, who is here? ←
18:05:14 <Zakim> On the phone I see jeremy (muted), achille, bmotik (muted), MichaelSmith, Alan, JeffP, Ivan, pfps, bijan (muted), uli (muted), Vipul_Kashyap, MartinD (muted), Ratnesh,
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see jeremy (muted), achille, bmotik (muted), MichaelSmith, Alan, JeffP, Ivan, pfps, bijan (muted), uli (muted), Vipul_Kashyap, MartinD (muted), Ratnesh, ←
18:05:17 <Zakim> ... Evan_Wallace, IanH (muted), ??P27, +1.301.975.aaee, Sandro, bcuencag
Zakim IRC Bot: ... Evan_Wallace, IanH (muted), ??P27, +1.301.975.aaee, Sandro, bcuencag ←
18:05:18 <Zakim> On IRC I see zhe, pfps, Vipul, bcuencag, Conrad, Carsten, bijan, Ratnesh, uli, IanH, bmotik, JeffP, MichaelSmith, achille, alanr, RRSAgent, Zakim, jeremy, ivan, MartinD,
Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see zhe, pfps, Vipul, bcuencag, Conrad, Carsten, bijan, Ratnesh, uli, IanH, bmotik, JeffP, MichaelSmith, achille, alanr, RRSAgent, Zakim, jeremy, ivan, MartinD, ←
18:05:21 <Zakim> ... trackbot-ng, sandro, ewallace
Zakim IRC Bot: ... trackbot-ng, sandro, ewallace ←
18:05:26 <MartinD> i can hear well and clearly, as well...
Martin Dzbor: i can hear well and clearly, as well... ←
18:05:30 <bcuencag> zakim, mute me
Bernardo Cuenca Grau: zakim, mute me ←
18:05:30 <Zakim> bcuencag should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: bcuencag should now be muted ←
18:05:49 <jeremy> conrad is not recorded on the phone
Jeremy Carroll: conrad is not recorded on the phone ←
18:06:03 <jeremy> 41#
Jeremy Carroll: 41# ←
18:06:12 <jeremy> is the magic
Jeremy Carroll: is the magic ←
18:06:27 <jeremy> Zakim, aaee is Conrad
Jeremy Carroll: Zakim, aaee is Conrad ←
18:06:27 <Zakim> +Conrad; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +Conrad; got it ←
18:06:35 <alanr> zakim, who is here?
Alan Ruttenberg: zakim, who is here? ←
18:06:35 <Zakim> On the phone I see jeremy (muted), achille, bmotik (muted), MichaelSmith, Alan, JeffP, Ivan, pfps, bijan (muted), uli (muted), Vipul_Kashyap, MartinD (muted), Ratnesh,
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see jeremy (muted), achille, bmotik (muted), MichaelSmith, Alan, JeffP, Ivan, pfps, bijan (muted), uli (muted), Vipul_Kashyap, MartinD (muted), Ratnesh, ←
18:06:38 <Zakim> ... Evan_Wallace, IanH (muted), ??P27, Conrad, Sandro, bcuencag (muted)
Zakim IRC Bot: ... Evan_Wallace, IanH (muted), ??P27, Conrad, Sandro, bcuencag (muted) ←
18:06:40 <Zakim> On IRC I see zhe, pfps, Vipul, bcuencag, Conrad, Carsten, bijan, Ratnesh, uli, IanH, bmotik, JeffP, MichaelSmith, achille, alanr, RRSAgent, Zakim, jeremy, ivan, MartinD,
Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see zhe, pfps, Vipul, bcuencag, Conrad, Carsten, bijan, Ratnesh, uli, IanH, bmotik, JeffP, MichaelSmith, achille, alanr, RRSAgent, Zakim, jeremy, ivan, MartinD, ←
18:06:42 <Zakim> ... trackbot-ng, sandro, ewallace
Zakim IRC Bot: ... trackbot-ng, sandro, ewallace ←
18:06:55 <sandro> zakim, drop ??P27
Sandro Hawke: zakim, drop ??P27 ←
18:06:55 <Zakim> ??P27 is being disconnected
Zakim IRC Bot: ??P27 is being disconnected ←
18:06:57 <Zakim> -??P27
Zakim IRC Bot: -??P27 ←
18:07:08 <zhe> Zhe that is me been dropped
Zhe Wu: Zhe that is me been dropped ←
18:07:20 <alanr> call back in please
Alan Ruttenberg: call back in please ←
18:07:27 <Zakim> +??P27
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P27 ←
18:07:54 <sandro> Zakim, ??P27 is Deb
Sandro Hawke: Zakim, ??P27 is Deb ←
18:07:54 <Zakim> +Deb; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +Deb; got it ←
18:07:56 <Zakim> +??P31
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P31 ←
18:08:05 <IanH> zakim, ??p31 is zhe
Ian Horrocks: zakim, ??p31 is zhe ←
18:08:05 <Zakim> +zhe; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +zhe; got it ←
18:08:08 <Zakim> +GiorgosStoilos
Zakim IRC Bot: +GiorgosStoilos ←
18:08:09 <alanr> zakim, who is here?
Alan Ruttenberg: zakim, who is here? ←
18:08:09 <Zakim> On the phone I see jeremy (muted), achille, bmotik (muted), MichaelSmith, Alan, JeffP, Ivan, pfps, bijan (muted), uli (muted), Vipul_Kashyap, MartinD (muted), Ratnesh,
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see jeremy (muted), achille, bmotik (muted), MichaelSmith, Alan, JeffP, Ivan, pfps, bijan (muted), uli (muted), Vipul_Kashyap, MartinD (muted), Ratnesh, ←
18:08:12 <Zakim> ... Evan_Wallace, IanH (muted), Conrad, Sandro, bcuencag (muted), Deb, zhe, GiorgosStoilos
Zakim IRC Bot: ... Evan_Wallace, IanH (muted), Conrad, Sandro, bcuencag (muted), Deb, zhe, GiorgosStoilos ←
18:08:15 <Zakim> On IRC I see GiorgosStoilos, zhe, pfps, Vipul, bcuencag, Conrad, Carsten, bijan, Ratnesh, uli, IanH, bmotik, JeffP, MichaelSmith, achille, alanr, RRSAgent, Zakim, jeremy, ivan,
Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see GiorgosStoilos, zhe, pfps, Vipul, bcuencag, Conrad, Carsten, bijan, Ratnesh, uli, IanH, bmotik, JeffP, MichaelSmith, achille, alanr, RRSAgent, Zakim, jeremy, ivan, ←
18:08:17 <Zakim> ... MartinD, trackbot-ng, sandro, ewallace
Zakim IRC Bot: ... MartinD, trackbot-ng, sandro, ewallace ←
18:08:22 <pfps> a faq on how to handle Zakim would probably be useful
Peter Patel-Schneider: a faq on how to handle Zakim would probably be useful ←
18:08:35 <bijan> I could report on rif meeting
Bijan Parsia: I could report on rif meeting ←
18:09:02 <JeffP> topic: ADMIN
18:09:11 <bijan> http://www.w3.org/2002/01/UsingZakim
Bijan Parsia: http://www.w3.org/2002/01/UsingZakim ←
18:09:19 <JeffP> comments of the minutes?
Jeff Pan: comments of the minutes? ←
18:09:30 <JeffP> minutes accepted
18:09:38 <JeffP> alanr: action items ...
Alan Ruttenberg: action items ... [ Scribe Assist by Jeff Pan ] ←
18:10:03 <JeffP> action 4: continued
Jeff Pan: ACTION-4: continued ←
18:10:11 <bijan> alanr, I could take the imports action ifyou'd like
Bijan Parsia: alanr, I could take the imports action ifyou'd like ←
18:10:26 <bijan> ok
Bijan Parsia: ok ←
18:10:30 <Zakim> +Carsten
Zakim IRC Bot: +Carsten ←
18:10:32 <jeremy> yes - I claim victory on action
Jeremy Carroll: yes - I claim victory on action ←
18:10:36 <Carsten> zakim, mute me
Scribe problem: the name 'Carsten' does not match any of the 46 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Achille Fokoue Alan Ruttenberg Anne Cregan Bernardo Cuenca Grau Bijan Parsia Boris Motik Conrad Bock Deborah McGuinness Doug Lenat Elisa Kendall Enrico Franconi Evan Wallace Evren Sirin Fabian Neuhaus Fabien Gandon Giorgos Stamou Giorgos Stoilos Ian Horrocks Ivan Herman James Hendler Jeff Pan Jeremy Carroll Joanne Luciano Markus Krötzsch Martin Dzbor Michael Sintek Michael Smith Olivier Corby Pascal Hitzler Peter Haase Peter Patel-Schneider Ratnesh Sahay Rinke Hoekstra Sandro Hawke Steve Battle Suzette Stoutenburg Tommie Meyer Uli Sattler Vassilis Tzouvaras Vipul Kashyap Vit Novacek Vojtech Svatek Zhe Wu Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
Scribe problem: the name 'Carsten' does not match any of the 46 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Achille Fokoue Alan Ruttenberg Anne Cregan Bernardo Cuenca Grau Bijan Parsia Boris Motik Conrad Bock Deborah McGuinness Doug Lenat Elisa Kendall Enrico Franconi Evan Wallace Evren Sirin Fabian Neuhaus Fabien Gandon Giorgos Stamou Giorgos Stoilos Ian Horrocks Ivan Herman James Hendler Jeff Pan Jeremy Carroll Joanne Luciano Markus Krötzsch Martin Dzbor Michael Sintek Michael Smith Olivier Corby Pascal Hitzler Peter Haase Peter Patel-Schneider Ratnesh Sahay Rinke Hoekstra Sandro Hawke Steve Battle Suzette Stoutenburg Tommie Meyer Uli Sattler Vassilis Tzouvaras Vipul Kashyap Vit Novacek Vojtech Svatek Zhe Wu Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
Unknown Carsten: zakim, mute me ←
18:10:36 <Zakim> sorry, Carsten, I do not know which phone connection belongs to you
Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, Carsten, I do not know which phone connection belongs to you ←
18:10:46 <JeffP> action 27 is close
Jeff Pan: ACTION-27 is close ←
18:11:15 <Carsten> zakim, mute me
Scribe problem: the name 'Carsten' does not match any of the 46 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Achille Fokoue Alan Ruttenberg Anne Cregan Bernardo Cuenca Grau Bijan Parsia Boris Motik Conrad Bock Deborah McGuinness Doug Lenat Elisa Kendall Enrico Franconi Evan Wallace Evren Sirin Fabian Neuhaus Fabien Gandon Giorgos Stamou Giorgos Stoilos Ian Horrocks Ivan Herman James Hendler Jeff Pan Jeremy Carroll Joanne Luciano Markus Krötzsch Martin Dzbor Michael Sintek Michael Smith Olivier Corby Pascal Hitzler Peter Haase Peter Patel-Schneider Ratnesh Sahay Rinke Hoekstra Sandro Hawke Steve Battle Suzette Stoutenburg Tommie Meyer Uli Sattler Vassilis Tzouvaras Vipul Kashyap Vit Novacek Vojtech Svatek Zhe Wu Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
Scribe problem: the name 'Carsten' does not match any of the 46 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Achille Fokoue Alan Ruttenberg Anne Cregan Bernardo Cuenca Grau Bijan Parsia Boris Motik Conrad Bock Deborah McGuinness Doug Lenat Elisa Kendall Enrico Franconi Evan Wallace Evren Sirin Fabian Neuhaus Fabien Gandon Giorgos Stamou Giorgos Stoilos Ian Horrocks Ivan Herman James Hendler Jeff Pan Jeremy Carroll Joanne Luciano Markus Krötzsch Martin Dzbor Michael Sintek Michael Smith Olivier Corby Pascal Hitzler Peter Haase Peter Patel-Schneider Ratnesh Sahay Rinke Hoekstra Sandro Hawke Steve Battle Suzette Stoutenburg Tommie Meyer Uli Sattler Vassilis Tzouvaras Vipul Kashyap Vit Novacek Vojtech Svatek Zhe Wu Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
Unknown Carsten: zakim, mute me ←
18:11:15 <Zakim> sorry, Carsten, I do not know which phone connection belongs to you
Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, Carsten, I do not know which phone connection belongs to you ←
18:11:18 <MichaelSmith> yes
Michael Smith: yes ←
18:11:20 <JeffP> action 29 is close
Jeff Pan: ACTION-29 is close ←
18:11:33 <jeremy> (I put the action number in the e-mail so the tracker tracks)
Jeremy Carroll: (I put the action number in the e-mail so the tracker tracks) ←
18:12:21 <JeffP> alanr: any furhter suggestions of the f2f agenda?
Alan Ruttenberg: any furhter suggestions of the f2f agenda? [ Scribe Assist by Jeff Pan ] ←
18:12:29 <JeffP> q?
18:12:30 <jeremy> Zakim, q- ??P15
Jeremy Carroll: Zakim, q- ??P15 ←
18:12:31 <Zakim> I see ??P11, ??P19, +49.351.4.aaff on the speaker queue
Zakim IRC Bot: I see ??P11, ??P19, +49.351.4.aaff on the speaker queue ←
18:12:31 <bijan> alanr got cut off
Bijan Parsia: alanr got cut off ←
18:12:41 <jeremy> q- ??P19
Jeremy Carroll: q- ??P19 ←
18:12:45 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
18:12:48 <jeremy> no we don't
Jeremy Carroll: no we don't ←
18:12:52 <MichaelSmith> the queue doesn't update when names are correlated
Michael Smith: the queue doesn't update when names are correlated ←
18:12:54 <jeremy> q- ??P11
Jeremy Carroll: q- ??P11 ←
18:13:00 <JeffP> zakim, who is on the call?
Jeff Pan: zakim, who is on the call? ←
18:13:00 <Zakim> On the phone I see jeremy (muted), achille, bmotik (muted), MichaelSmith, Alan, JeffP, Ivan, pfps, bijan (muted), uli (muted), Vipul_Kashyap, MartinD (muted), Ratnesh,
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see jeremy (muted), achille, bmotik (muted), MichaelSmith, Alan, JeffP, Ivan, pfps, bijan (muted), uli (muted), Vipul_Kashyap, MartinD (muted), Ratnesh, ←
18:13:03 <Zakim> ... Evan_Wallace, IanH, Conrad, Sandro, bcuencag (muted), Deb, zhe, GiorgosStoilos, +49.351.4.aaff
Zakim IRC Bot: ... Evan_Wallace, IanH, Conrad, Sandro, bcuencag (muted), Deb, zhe, GiorgosStoilos, +49.351.4.aaff ←
18:13:08 <sandro> (thanks Jeremy)
Sandro Hawke: (thanks Jeremy) ←
18:13:13 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
18:13:38 <Carsten> I think I inadvertedly added myself to the queue
Scribe problem: the name 'Carsten' does not match any of the 46 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Achille Fokoue Alan Ruttenberg Anne Cregan Bernardo Cuenca Grau Bijan Parsia Boris Motik Conrad Bock Deborah McGuinness Doug Lenat Elisa Kendall Enrico Franconi Evan Wallace Evren Sirin Fabian Neuhaus Fabien Gandon Giorgos Stamou Giorgos Stoilos Ian Horrocks Ivan Herman James Hendler Jeff Pan Jeremy Carroll Joanne Luciano Markus Krötzsch Martin Dzbor Michael Sintek Michael Smith Olivier Corby Pascal Hitzler Peter Haase Peter Patel-Schneider Ratnesh Sahay Rinke Hoekstra Sandro Hawke Steve Battle Suzette Stoutenburg Tommie Meyer Uli Sattler Vassilis Tzouvaras Vipul Kashyap Vit Novacek Vojtech Svatek Zhe Wu Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
Scribe problem: the name 'Carsten' does not match any of the 46 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Achille Fokoue Alan Ruttenberg Anne Cregan Bernardo Cuenca Grau Bijan Parsia Boris Motik Conrad Bock Deborah McGuinness Doug Lenat Elisa Kendall Enrico Franconi Evan Wallace Evren Sirin Fabian Neuhaus Fabien Gandon Giorgos Stamou Giorgos Stoilos Ian Horrocks Ivan Herman James Hendler Jeff Pan Jeremy Carroll Joanne Luciano Markus Krötzsch Martin Dzbor Michael Sintek Michael Smith Olivier Corby Pascal Hitzler Peter Haase Peter Patel-Schneider Ratnesh Sahay Rinke Hoekstra Sandro Hawke Steve Battle Suzette Stoutenburg Tommie Meyer Uli Sattler Vassilis Tzouvaras Vipul Kashyap Vit Novacek Vojtech Svatek Zhe Wu Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
Unknown Carsten: I think I inadvertedly added myself to the queue ←
18:13:42 <Carsten> sorry
Scribe problem: the name 'Carsten' does not match any of the 46 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Achille Fokoue Alan Ruttenberg Anne Cregan Bernardo Cuenca Grau Bijan Parsia Boris Motik Conrad Bock Deborah McGuinness Doug Lenat Elisa Kendall Enrico Franconi Evan Wallace Evren Sirin Fabian Neuhaus Fabien Gandon Giorgos Stamou Giorgos Stoilos Ian Horrocks Ivan Herman James Hendler Jeff Pan Jeremy Carroll Joanne Luciano Markus Krötzsch Martin Dzbor Michael Sintek Michael Smith Olivier Corby Pascal Hitzler Peter Haase Peter Patel-Schneider Ratnesh Sahay Rinke Hoekstra Sandro Hawke Steve Battle Suzette Stoutenburg Tommie Meyer Uli Sattler Vassilis Tzouvaras Vipul Kashyap Vit Novacek Vojtech Svatek Zhe Wu Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
Scribe problem: the name 'Carsten' does not match any of the 46 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Achille Fokoue Alan Ruttenberg Anne Cregan Bernardo Cuenca Grau Bijan Parsia Boris Motik Conrad Bock Deborah McGuinness Doug Lenat Elisa Kendall Enrico Franconi Evan Wallace Evren Sirin Fabian Neuhaus Fabien Gandon Giorgos Stamou Giorgos Stoilos Ian Horrocks Ivan Herman James Hendler Jeff Pan Jeremy Carroll Joanne Luciano Markus Krötzsch Martin Dzbor Michael Sintek Michael Smith Olivier Corby Pascal Hitzler Peter Haase Peter Patel-Schneider Ratnesh Sahay Rinke Hoekstra Sandro Hawke Steve Battle Suzette Stoutenburg Tommie Meyer Uli Sattler Vassilis Tzouvaras Vipul Kashyap Vit Novacek Vojtech Svatek Zhe Wu Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
Unknown Carsten: sorry ←
18:13:53 <jeremy> Zakim, aaff is Carsten
Jeremy Carroll: Zakim, aaff is Carsten ←
18:13:53 <Zakim> +Carsten; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +Carsten; got it ←
18:13:57 <jeremy> q- aaff
Jeremy Carroll: q- aaff ←
18:14:03 <Carsten> thanks!
Scribe problem: the name 'Carsten' does not match any of the 46 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Achille Fokoue Alan Ruttenberg Anne Cregan Bernardo Cuenca Grau Bijan Parsia Boris Motik Conrad Bock Deborah McGuinness Doug Lenat Elisa Kendall Enrico Franconi Evan Wallace Evren Sirin Fabian Neuhaus Fabien Gandon Giorgos Stamou Giorgos Stoilos Ian Horrocks Ivan Herman James Hendler Jeff Pan Jeremy Carroll Joanne Luciano Markus Krötzsch Martin Dzbor Michael Sintek Michael Smith Olivier Corby Pascal Hitzler Peter Haase Peter Patel-Schneider Ratnesh Sahay Rinke Hoekstra Sandro Hawke Steve Battle Suzette Stoutenburg Tommie Meyer Uli Sattler Vassilis Tzouvaras Vipul Kashyap Vit Novacek Vojtech Svatek Zhe Wu Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
Scribe problem: the name 'Carsten' does not match any of the 46 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Achille Fokoue Alan Ruttenberg Anne Cregan Bernardo Cuenca Grau Bijan Parsia Boris Motik Conrad Bock Deborah McGuinness Doug Lenat Elisa Kendall Enrico Franconi Evan Wallace Evren Sirin Fabian Neuhaus Fabien Gandon Giorgos Stamou Giorgos Stoilos Ian Horrocks Ivan Herman James Hendler Jeff Pan Jeremy Carroll Joanne Luciano Markus Krötzsch Martin Dzbor Michael Sintek Michael Smith Olivier Corby Pascal Hitzler Peter Haase Peter Patel-Schneider Ratnesh Sahay Rinke Hoekstra Sandro Hawke Steve Battle Suzette Stoutenburg Tommie Meyer Uli Sattler Vassilis Tzouvaras Vipul Kashyap Vit Novacek Vojtech Svatek Zhe Wu Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
Unknown Carsten: thanks! ←
18:14:09 <jeremy> q- +49.351.4.aaff
Jeremy Carroll: q- +49.351.4.aaff ←
18:15:00 <dlm> +queue
Deborah McGuinness: +queue ←
18:15:08 <Carsten> yes, thanks
Scribe problem: the name 'Carsten' does not match any of the 46 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Achille Fokoue Alan Ruttenberg Anne Cregan Bernardo Cuenca Grau Bijan Parsia Boris Motik Conrad Bock Deborah McGuinness Doug Lenat Elisa Kendall Enrico Franconi Evan Wallace Evren Sirin Fabian Neuhaus Fabien Gandon Giorgos Stamou Giorgos Stoilos Ian Horrocks Ivan Herman James Hendler Jeff Pan Jeremy Carroll Joanne Luciano Markus Krötzsch Martin Dzbor Michael Sintek Michael Smith Olivier Corby Pascal Hitzler Peter Haase Peter Patel-Schneider Ratnesh Sahay Rinke Hoekstra Sandro Hawke Steve Battle Suzette Stoutenburg Tommie Meyer Uli Sattler Vassilis Tzouvaras Vipul Kashyap Vit Novacek Vojtech Svatek Zhe Wu Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
Scribe problem: the name 'Carsten' does not match any of the 46 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Achille Fokoue Alan Ruttenberg Anne Cregan Bernardo Cuenca Grau Bijan Parsia Boris Motik Conrad Bock Deborah McGuinness Doug Lenat Elisa Kendall Enrico Franconi Evan Wallace Evren Sirin Fabian Neuhaus Fabien Gandon Giorgos Stamou Giorgos Stoilos Ian Horrocks Ivan Herman James Hendler Jeff Pan Jeremy Carroll Joanne Luciano Markus Krötzsch Martin Dzbor Michael Sintek Michael Smith Olivier Corby Pascal Hitzler Peter Haase Peter Patel-Schneider Ratnesh Sahay Rinke Hoekstra Sandro Hawke Steve Battle Suzette Stoutenburg Tommie Meyer Uli Sattler Vassilis Tzouvaras Vipul Kashyap Vit Novacek Vojtech Svatek Zhe Wu Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
Unknown Carsten: yes, thanks ←
18:15:27 <JeffP> alanr: we might need to move the import and rich annotation to first day
Alan Ruttenberg: we might need to move the import and rich annotation to first day [ Scribe Assist by Jeff Pan ] ←
18:15:55 <bijan> Can we swap fragments and imports and RAs?
Bijan Parsia: Can we swap fragments and imports and RAs? ←
18:15:56 <JeffP> ... since alan won't be in day 2
Jeff Pan: ... since alan won't be in day 2 ←
18:16:25 <JeffP> ian: we could discuss it offline, there are other constraints
Ian Horrocks: we could discuss it offline, there are other constraints [ Scribe Assist by Jeff Pan ] ←
18:16:34 <JeffP> q?
18:16:35 <Conrad> Where is the draft agenda?
Conrad Bock: Where is the draft agenda? ←
18:16:39 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
18:16:41 <JeffP> ack dlm
18:16:42 <alanr> q?http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/wiki/F2F.2007.12-Manchester/Agenda
Alan Ruttenberg: q?http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/wiki/F2F.2007.12-Manchester/Agenda ←
18:16:46 <alanr> q?
Alan Ruttenberg: q? ←
18:16:49 <jeremy> +1
Jeremy Carroll: +1 ←
18:17:16 <JeffP> alan: we should move the user facing part to later part of the day
Alan Ruttenberg: we should move the user facing part to later part of the day [ Scribe Assist by Jeff Pan ] ←
18:17:26 <dlm> -queue
Deborah McGuinness: -queue ←
18:17:31 <alanr> q?
Alan Ruttenberg: q? ←
18:17:38 <alanr> http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/wiki/Manchester_F2F
Alan Ruttenberg: http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/wiki/Manchester_F2F ←
18:17:41 <jeremy> Elisa and Deborah are remote participants in UFDTF
Jeremy Carroll: Elisa and Deborah are remote participants in UFDTF ←
18:18:07 <JeffP> topic: Teleconference 2007.12.05 ?
18:18:13 <jeremy> -1
Jeremy Carroll: -1 ←
18:18:14 <JeffP> alanr: I cannot
Alan Ruttenberg: I cannot [ Scribe Assist by Jeff Pan ] ←
18:18:18 <pfps> there is already a conflicting event on the 5th
Peter Patel-Schneider: there is already a conflicting event on the 5th ←
18:18:19 <dlm> i think jim h wants to participate in the ufdtf as well
Deborah McGuinness: i think jim h wants to participate in the ufdtf as well ←
18:18:22 <alanr> -1
Alan Ruttenberg: -1 ←
18:18:22 <bijan> It's traditional not to have such telecons
Bijan Parsia: It's traditional not to have such telecons ←
18:18:24 <pfps> which is which?
Peter Patel-Schneider: which is which? ←
18:18:27 <JeffP> -1
18:18:27 <bijan> -1
Bijan Parsia: -1 ←
18:18:28 <MichaelSmith> -1 on telecon on 5th
Michael Smith: -1 on telecon on 5th ←
18:18:29 <ivan> -1
Ivan Herman: -1 ←
18:18:31 <bcuencag> -1
18:18:33 <pfps> -1
18:18:48 <JeffP> Resolved: no telecon on Dec 5th
RESOLVED: no telecon on Dec 5th ←
18:18:57 <pfps> transit? I expect to be in the meeting at the Kro2!
Peter Patel-Schneider: transit? I expect to be in the meeting at the Kro2! ←
18:19:33 <IanH> Well, that still means no teleconf :-)
Ian Horrocks: Well, that still means no teleconf :-) ←
18:19:50 <bijan> Functional Syntax and Structural Spec, Semantics, Rdf mapping
Bijan Parsia: Functional Syntax and Structural Spec, Semantics, Rdf mapping ←
18:19:57 <jeremy> (for me - the issue list is in good shape for reflecting the lack of consensus)
Jeremy Carroll: (for me - the issue list is in good shape for reflecting the lack of consensus) ←
18:19:57 <bijan> Were the original proposal
Bijan Parsia: Were the original proposal ←
18:19:58 <JeffP> Topic: Discussions (35 min)
18:20:02 <JeffP> q?
18:20:06 <jeremy> q+ to suggest shading ...
Jeremy Carroll: q+ to suggest shading ... ←
18:20:15 <alanr> q?
Alan Ruttenberg: q? ←
18:20:18 <jeremy> Zakim, unmute me
Jeremy Carroll: Zakim, unmute me ←
18:20:18 <Zakim> jeremy should no longer be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: jeremy should no longer be muted ←
18:20:21 <alanr> ack jeremy
Alan Ruttenberg: ack jeremy ←
18:20:21 <Zakim> jeremy, you wanted to suggest shading ...
Zakim IRC Bot: jeremy, you wanted to suggest shading ... ←
18:21:17 <bijan> We have some issues that touch everything so "shady" per se won't work
Bijan Parsia: We have some issues that touch everything so "shady" per se won't work ←
18:21:17 <JeffP> jeremy: editors might want to relate part of the documents with issues in the issue list
Jeremy Carroll: editors might want to relate part of the documents with issues in the issue list [ Scribe Assist by Jeff Pan ] ←
18:21:25 <bijan> E.g., Typed constructs
Bijan Parsia: E.g., Typed constructs ←
18:21:38 <JeffP> ian: we need to see whether it is practical
Ian Horrocks: we need to see whether it is practical [ Scribe Assist by Jeff Pan ] ←
18:21:49 <uli> is it me or is there an echo?
Uli Sattler: is it me or is there an echo? ←
18:21:55 <JeffP> zakim, who is talking?
Jeff Pan: zakim, who is talking? ←
18:21:55 <jeremy> Zakim, mute me
Jeremy Carroll: Zakim, mute me ←
18:21:55 <Zakim> jeremy should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: jeremy should now be muted ←
18:22:07 <Zakim> JeffP, listening for 11 seconds I heard sound from the following: Alan (3%), Sandro (44%)
Zakim IRC Bot: JeffP, listening for 11 seconds I heard sound from the following: Alan (3%), Sandro (44%) ←
18:22:12 <uli> ah - echo gone!
Uli Sattler: ah - echo gone! ←
18:22:24 <jeremy> +1 to sandro as an alternative
Jeremy Carroll: +1 to sandro as an alternative ←
18:22:30 <alanr> +1
Alan Ruttenberg: +1 ←
18:22:41 <pfps> how about putting the disclaimer in the document status, pointing to the issue list?
Peter Patel-Schneider: how about putting the disclaimer in the document status, pointing to the issue list? ←
18:22:45 <jeremy> to my suggestion!
Jeremy Carroll: to my suggestion! ←
18:22:53 <jeremy> for me yes
Jeremy Carroll: for me yes ←
18:23:06 <bmotik> q+
Boris Motik: q+ ←
18:23:06 <jeremy> (yes to RDF Mapping with such riders)
Jeremy Carroll: (yes to RDF Mapping with such riders) ←
18:23:38 <bmotik> Zakim, unmute me
Boris Motik: Zakim, unmute me ←
18:23:38 <Zakim> bmotik should no longer be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: bmotik should no longer be muted ←
18:23:43 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
18:23:44 <pfps> the mapping between sections and issues is not particularly easy
Peter Patel-Schneider: the mapping between sections and issues is not particularly easy ←
18:23:46 <JeffP> alanr: should issues be written in the beginning part of the sections?
Alan Ruttenberg: should issues be written in the beginning part of the sections? [ Scribe Assist by Jeff Pan ] ←
18:23:52 <IanH> ack bmotik
Ian Horrocks: ack bmotik ←
18:23:54 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
18:24:00 <JeffP> boris: some issues are more meta issues
Boris Motik: some issues are more meta issues [ Scribe Assist by Jeff Pan ] ←
18:24:04 <jeremy> A list of other issues might be good
Jeremy Carroll: A list of other issues might be good ←
18:24:16 <JeffP> alanr: we meant the specific ones
Alan Ruttenberg: we meant the specific ones [ Scribe Assist by Jeff Pan ] ←
18:24:21 <pfps> q+
18:24:23 <bijan> I think we're in editor's choice space
Bijan Parsia: I think we're in editor's choice space ←
18:24:28 <pfps> zakim, unmute me
Peter Patel-Schneider: zakim, unmute me ←
18:24:28 <Zakim> pfps was not muted, pfps
Zakim IRC Bot: pfps was not muted, pfps ←
18:24:31 <bijan> some issues are minor, don't need huge highlighting
Bijan Parsia: some issues are minor, don't need huge highlighting ←
18:24:32 <jeremy> I agree with bijan
Jeremy Carroll: I agree with bijan ←
18:24:32 <alanr> we don't have editors yet
Alan Ruttenberg: we don't have editors yet ←
18:24:37 <bijan> Some are important and controversial
Bijan Parsia: Some are important and controversial ←
18:24:41 <JeffP> boris: I meant more issues are meta ones
Boris Motik: I meant more issues are meta ones [ Scribe Assist by Jeff Pan ] ←
18:24:43 <bijan> And need to be highlighted
Bijan Parsia: And need to be highlighted ←
18:24:48 <IanH> We don't need to insist that every issue is mentioned in some document
Ian Horrocks: We don't need to insist that every issue is mentioned in some document ←
18:24:56 <alanr> +1 to Ian
Alan Ruttenberg: +1 to Ian ←
18:25:02 <jeremy> I agree with bijan again!
Jeremy Carroll: I agree with bijan again! ←
18:25:12 <bijan> How about we task someone(s) to add some issue texts to a document?
Bijan Parsia: How about we task someone(s) to add some issue texts to a document? ←
18:25:19 <JeffP> boris: and who should do this?
Boris Motik: and who should do this? [ Scribe Assist by Jeff Pan ] ←
18:25:21 <bijan> And experiement a bit
Bijan Parsia: And experiement a bit ←
18:25:35 <JeffP> alan: we could assign them to some people, including me
Alan Ruttenberg: we could assign them to some people, including me [ Scribe Assist by Jeff Pan ] ←
18:25:53 <JeffP> ian: which document?
Ian Horrocks: which document? [ Scribe Assist by Jeff Pan ] ←
18:26:00 <JeffP> alanr: does not matter
Alan Ruttenberg: does not matter [ Scribe Assist by Jeff Pan ] ←
18:26:19 <pfps> q?
18:26:29 <IanH> ack pfps
Ian Horrocks: ack pfps ←
18:26:35 <JeffP> sandro: you still need to be familiar with the documents enough to do the job properly
Sandro Hawke: you still need to be familiar with the documents enough to do the job properly [ Scribe Assist by Jeff Pan ] ←
18:26:58 <pfps> zakim, mute me
Peter Patel-Schneider: zakim, mute me ←
18:26:58 <Zakim> pfps should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: pfps should now be muted ←
18:27:11 <bijan> Yes
Bijan Parsia: Yes ←
18:27:16 <bijan> On behalf of carsten
Bijan Parsia: On behalf of carsten ←
18:27:17 <JeffP> ian: do we need to have such fine-grain issule list mechanism
Ian Horrocks: do we need to have such fine-grain issule list mechanism [ Scribe Assist by Jeff Pan ] ←
18:27:25 <dlm> +1 to grouping
Deborah McGuinness: +1 to grouping ←
18:27:27 <bijan> I'm big +1 on grouping issues loosely
Bijan Parsia: I'm big +1 on grouping issues loosely ←
18:27:30 <jeremy> -1 to grouping
Jeremy Carroll: -1 to grouping ←
18:27:43 <bmotik> +1 to grouping (not all, but some should be grouped)
Boris Motik: +1 to grouping (not all, but some should be grouped) ←
18:27:49 <JeffP> dlm, it is also hard to follow
Jeff Pan: dlm, it is also hard to follow ←
18:27:58 <pfps> we are supposed to be spending 8 hours a week on this, minimum
Peter Patel-Schneider: we are supposed to be spending 8 hours a week on this, minimum ←
18:28:29 <jeremy> (peter's days might be longer than mine! 7.5 hrs)
Jeremy Carroll: (peter's days might be longer than mine! 7.5 hrs) ←
18:28:42 <JeffP> sandro, do we want a hierartical issue list?
Jeff Pan: sandro, do we want a hierartical issue list? ←
18:28:43 <bijan> I tried this on rich annotations...addding all the issues related to annotations
Bijan Parsia: I tried this on rich annotations...addding all the issues related to annotations ←
18:28:47 <bijan> Peter complained about this :)
Bijan Parsia: Peter complained about this :) ←
18:28:57 <bmotik> Zakim, mute me
Boris Motik: Zakim, mute me ←
18:28:57 <Zakim> bmotik should now be muted
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18:29:08 <jeremy> We can group issues by 'product'
Jeremy Carroll: We can group issues by 'product' ←
18:29:08 <bijan> zakim, unmute me
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18:29:22 <JeffP> sandro, we should take a simplified approach
Jeff Pan: sandro, we should take a simplified approach ←
18:29:34 <jeremy> q+ to explain a separation
Jeremy Carroll: q+ to explain a separation ←
18:29:46 <JeffP> q?
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Bijan Parsia: zakim, mute me ←
18:29:47 <Zakim> bijan should now be muted
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18:29:51 <jeremy> Zakim, unmute me
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18:29:53 <alanr> q?
Alan Ruttenberg: q? ←
18:29:54 <pfps> zakim, mute me
Peter Patel-Schneider: zakim, mute me ←
18:29:54 <Zakim> pfps was already muted, pfps
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18:29:56 <bijan> How about soem web pages for this
Bijan Parsia: How about soem web pages for this ←
18:30:04 <JeffP> ian, we just started but we have 81 issues already
Jeff Pan: ian, we just started but we have 81 issues already ←
18:30:15 <JeffP> ack jeremy
18:30:15 <Zakim> jeremy, you wanted to explain a separation
Zakim IRC Bot: jeremy, you wanted to explain a separation ←
18:30:36 <bijan> Issues are a tool for the chairs
Bijan Parsia: Issues are a tool for the chairs ←
18:30:36 <jeremy> Zakim, unmute me
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18:30:36 <Zakim> jeremy was not muted, jeremy
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18:30:42 <uli> ha ha
Uli Sattler: ha ha ←
18:30:46 <bijan> The chairs should figure out what works for them
Bijan Parsia: The chairs should figure out what works for them ←
18:30:48 <jeremy> Zakim, mute me
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18:31:07 <JeffP> Topic: Publication Schedule and First Public Working Drafts
18:31:17 <jeremy> jeremy: lots of small issues are easier to make progress on than a few big issues
Jeremy Carroll: lots of small issues are easier to make progress on than a few big issues [ Scribe Assist by Jeremy Carroll ] ←
18:31:40 <JeffP> alanr, a quick poll to see if the solution is acceptable by everyone
Jeff Pan: alanr, a quick poll to see if the solution is acceptable by everyone ←
18:32:04 <bijan> q+
Bijan Parsia: q+ ←
18:32:11 <bijan> ack bijan
Bijan Parsia: ack bijan ←
18:32:17 <JeffP> alanr: three documents: syntax, semantics and mapping to RDF
Alan Ruttenberg: three documents: syntax, semantics and mapping to RDF [ Scribe Assist by Jeff Pan ] ←
18:32:54 <bijan> zakim, mute me
Bijan Parsia: zakim, mute me ←
18:32:54 <Zakim> bijan should now be muted
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18:33:00 <JeffP> q?
18:33:01 <jeremy> no we cannot decide to publish docs until they are ready
Jeremy Carroll: no we cannot decide to publish docs until they are ready ←
18:33:15 <jeremy> I can confirm informally the plan
Jeremy Carroll: I can confirm informally the plan ←
18:33:17 <bijan> actually, we can
Bijan Parsia: actually, we can ←
18:33:17 <sandro> PROPOSED: Annotate the Syntax, Semantics, and Mapping-to-RDF documents with links to all issues, as they might affect the text....
PROPOSED: Annotate the Syntax, Semantics, and Mapping-to-RDF documents with links to all issues, as they might affect the text.... ←
18:33:25 <pfps> we can publish subject to editorial changes
Peter Patel-Schneider: we can publish subject to editorial changes ←
18:33:33 <bijan> We can say, "We will publish these docuemnts pace soem editoral mod...
Bijan Parsia: We can say, "We will publish these docuemnts pace soem editoral mod... ←
18:34:00 <sandro> PROPOSED: Annotate the Syntax, Semantics, and Mapping-to-RDF documents with links to all issues, as they might affect the text, and then (give or take editorial changes) we will publish.
PROPOSED: Annotate the Syntax, Semantics, and Mapping-to-RDF documents with links to all issues, as they might affect the text, and then (give or take editorial changes) we will publish. ←
18:34:02 <jeremy> i guess i bow to pfps and bijan here, but some rider
Jeremy Carroll: i guess i bow to pfps and bijan here, but some rider ←
18:34:28 <pfps> +1, as long as I'm not doing the work!
Peter Patel-Schneider: +1, as long as I'm not doing the work! ←
18:34:28 <alanr> +1
Alan Ruttenberg: +1 ←
18:34:32 <IanH> would prefer to say "issues" rather than all issues
Ian Horrocks: would prefer to say "issues" rather than all issues ←
18:34:32 <jeremy> ok
Jeremy Carroll: ok ←
18:34:35 <achille> +1
Achille Fokoue: +1 ←
18:34:36 <uli> +1
Uli Sattler: +1 ←
18:34:39 <dlm> +1
Deborah McGuinness: +1 ←
18:34:40 <ivan> +1
Ivan Herman: +1 ←
18:34:41 <bijan> +1 with "issues"
Bijan Parsia: +1 with "issues" ←
18:34:41 <zhe> +1
18:34:44 <Conrad> -1
Conrad Bock: -1 ←
18:34:45 <MartinD> +1
Martin Dzbor: +1 ←
18:34:46 <Ratnesh> +1
Ratnesh Sahay: +1 ←
18:34:48 <MichaelSmith> +1
Michael Smith: +1 ←
18:34:48 <IanH> +1 otherwise
Ian Horrocks: +1 otherwise ←
18:34:49 <GiorgosStoilos> +1
Giorgos Stoilos: +1 ←
18:34:57 <JeffP> +1
18:35:00 <sandro> -0 concerned about deciding before deciding, but it seems vaguely okay.
Sandro Hawke: -0 concerned about deciding before deciding, but it seems vaguely okay. ←
18:35:02 <Carsten> Regarding my issues discussed here:
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Unknown Carsten: Regarding my issues discussed here: ←
18:35:03 <Carsten> - I saw lots small issues before, so I was just trying to follow common practice
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Unknown Carsten: - I saw lots small issues before, so I was just trying to follow common practice ←
18:35:04 <bcuencag> +1
18:35:05 <Carsten> - Several of my issues I wouldn't call "small"
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Unknown Carsten: - Several of my issues I wouldn't call "small" ←
18:35:06 <Carsten> - I can live with grouping as long as decisions are taken individually (this
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Unknown Carsten: - I can live with grouping as long as decisions are taken individually (this ←
18:35:08 <Carsten> is why I separated them)
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Unknown Carsten: is why I separated them) ←
18:35:10 <Carsten> +1
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Unknown Carsten: +1 ←
18:35:13 <bmotik> -0 This might be a lot of work
Boris Motik: -0 This might be a lot of work ←
18:35:17 <ewallace> 0
Evan Wallace: 0 ←
18:36:07 <uli> -0 is the slightly more negative vote than the neutral o?
Uli Sattler: -0 is the slightly more negative vote than the neutral o? ←
18:36:17 <ewallace> +1 with metamodel issue included
Evan Wallace: +1 with metamodel issue included ←
18:36:34 <Carsten> -o ?
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Unknown Carsten: -o ? ←
18:36:38 <JeffP> sandro, I don't think we should have a resolution here
Jeff Pan: sandro, I don't think we should have a resolution here ←
18:36:41 <pfps> zakim, mute me
Peter Patel-Schneider: zakim, mute me ←
18:36:41 <Zakim> pfps was already muted, pfps
Zakim IRC Bot: pfps was already muted, pfps ←
18:36:48 <jeremy> (I find Sandro compelling, but can't say why)
Jeremy Carroll: (I find Sandro compelling, but can't say why) ←
18:36:54 <JeffP> ... but it seems that it is good enough to proceed?
Jeff Pan: ... but it seems that it is good enough to proceed? ←
18:36:58 <pfps> that's an action, not a resolution
Peter Patel-Schneider: that's an action, not a resolution ←
18:36:58 <bijan> It's his air of mystery
Bijan Parsia: It's his air of mystery ←
18:37:16 <JeffP> sandro, I think people need to review how it is done
Jeff Pan: sandro, I think people need to review how it is done ←
18:37:41 <bijan> I think the difference between a blessing and vote is not good
Bijan Parsia: I think the difference between a blessing and vote is not good ←
18:37:44 <jeremy> (Personally I would like to see the post-Wiki doc before the vote)
Jeremy Carroll: (Personally I would like to see the post-Wiki doc before the vote) ←
18:37:51 <sandro> So the only future discussion will be about issue links.
Sandro Hawke: So the only future discussion will be about issue links. ←
18:37:56 <jeremy> q+ to put JimH points
Jeremy Carroll: q+ to put JimH points ←
18:38:00 <JeffP> action or resolution?
Jeff Pan: action or resolution? ←
18:38:05 <JeffP> q?
18:38:08 <ewallace> I'm confused now
Evan Wallace: I'm confused now ←
18:38:12 <bijan> zakim, unmute me
Bijan Parsia: zakim, unmute me ←
18:38:12 <Zakim> bijan should no longer be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: bijan should no longer be muted ←
18:38:21 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
18:38:25 <ewallace> Are we to do an up or down vote later?
Evan Wallace: Are we to do an up or down vote later? ←
18:39:35 <bijan> zakim, mute me
Bijan Parsia: zakim, mute me ←
18:39:35 <Zakim> bijan should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: bijan should now be muted ←
18:39:39 <jeremy> q-
Jeremy Carroll: q- ←
18:39:50 <JeffP> alanr: no resolution but general agreement to the direction
Alan Ruttenberg: no resolution but general agreement to the direction [ Scribe Assist by Jeff Pan ] ←
18:40:12 <ewallace> yes
Evan Wallace: yes ←
18:40:12 <jeremy> The chairs appoint editors
Jeremy Carroll: The chairs appoint editors ←
18:40:19 <JeffP> ian, chairs may deligate the tasks
Jeff Pan: ian, chairs may delegate the tasks ←
18:40:34 <bijan> I hate the idea, but I think UManchester can mobilize some resources to this end
Bijan Parsia: I hate the idea, but I think UManchester can mobilize some resources to this end ←
18:40:40 <bijan> (er.. the idea of workign on it :)
Bijan Parsia: (er.. the idea of workign on it :) ←
18:42:12 <bmotik> q+
Boris Motik: q+ ←
18:42:35 <jeremy> I feel the discussion needs booze
Jeremy Carroll: I feel the discussion needs booze ←
18:43:19 <alanr> q?
Alan Ruttenberg: q? ←
18:43:21 <bmotik> Zakim, unmute me
Boris Motik: Zakim, unmute me ←
18:43:26 <Zakim> bmotik should no longer be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: bmotik should no longer be muted ←
18:43:44 <JeffP> s/deligate/delegate
18:43:55 <Conrad> Alan, I filed the metamodel issue on Syntax at http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/tracker/issues/82.
Conrad Bock: Alan, I filed the metamodel issue on Syntax at http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/tracker/issues/82. ←
18:44:22 <alanr> thanks, conrad
Alan Ruttenberg: thanks, conrad ←
18:44:34 <bijan> Hmm. I think it is a fragment
Bijan Parsia: Hmm. I think it is a fragment ←
18:44:49 <JeffP> boris, owl dl is not 100% sub-language of owl full
Jeff Pan: boris, owl dl is not 100% sub-language of owl full ←
18:45:13 <bijan> I'm looking at 5.3...what's the difference?
Bijan Parsia: I'm looking at 5.3...what's the difference? ←
18:45:16 <alanr> qq+
Alan Ruttenberg: qq+ ←
18:45:18 <alanr> q+
Alan Ruttenberg: q+ ←
18:45:19 <IanH> Also, even to the extent that we believe that it is a fragment, this is a belief/conjecture and not a proven fact
Ian Horrocks: Also, even to the extent that we believe that it is a fragment, this is a belief/conjecture and not a proven fact ←
18:45:20 <JeffP> q?
18:45:22 <alanr> ack bmoik
Alan Ruttenberg: ack bmoik ←
18:45:26 <alanr> ack bmotik
Alan Ruttenberg: ack bmotik ←
18:45:27 <jeremy> q- bmotik
Jeremy Carroll: q- bmotik ←
18:45:35 <bijan> q+
Bijan Parsia: q+ ←
18:45:42 <bijan> to reply to Boris
Bijan Parsia: to reply to Boris ←
18:45:44 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
18:45:51 <bijan> zakim, unmute me
Bijan Parsia: zakim, unmute me ←
18:45:51 <Zakim> bijan should no longer be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: bijan should no longer be muted ←
18:46:17 <JeffP> bijan, it seems that part of the issue what counts as compatibility
Jeff Pan: bijan, it seems that part of the issue what counts as compatibility ←
18:46:24 <sandro> JeffP, the scribe convention is to scribe like "Sandro: what sandro said" not "Sandro, what sandro said"
Sandro Hawke: JeffP, the scribe convention is to scribe like "Sandro: what sandro said" not "Sandro, what sandro said" ←
18:46:39 <JeffP> thx, sandro
18:47:16 <alanr> There is a strictly increasing chain of sets of entailments
Alan Ruttenberg: There is a strictly increasing chain of sets of entailments ←
18:47:18 <alanr> >
Alan Ruttenberg: > ←
18:47:19 <alanr> > Simple <= RDF <= RDFS <= D- <= OWL DL <= OWL Full
Alan Ruttenberg: > Simple <= RDF <= RDFS <= D- <= OWL DL <= OWL Full ←
18:47:21 <alanr> >
Alan Ruttenberg: > ←
18:47:22 <alanr> > It was a design goal that the last strict inclusion should be an equality; see
Alan Ruttenberg: > It was a design goal that the last strict inclusion should be an equality; see ←
18:47:24 <alanr> >
Alan Ruttenberg: > ←
18:47:26 <alanr> > http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/WebOnt/webont-issues.html#I5.3-Semantic-Layering
Alan Ruttenberg: > http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/WebOnt/webont-issues.html#I5.3-Semantic-Layering ←
18:47:28 <alanr> > http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-archive/2002Oct/0022.html
Alan Ruttenberg: > http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-archive/2002Oct/0022.html ←
18:47:29 <JeffP> bijan, your idea is a stronger version of compatibility
Jeff Pan: bijan, your idea is a stronger version of compatibility ←
18:47:29 <alanr> >
Alan Ruttenberg: > ←
18:47:31 <alanr> > In other words (subject to the syntactic constraints of OWL DL) the
Alan Ruttenberg: > In other words (subject to the syntactic constraints of OWL DL) the ←
18:47:32 <alanr> > entailments of OWL DL are exactly those of OWL Full. This goal
Alan Ruttenberg: > entailments of OWL DL are exactly those of OWL Full. This goal ←
18:47:34 <alanr> > slipped a little: see
Alan Ruttenberg: > slipped a little: see ←
18:47:35 <alanr> >
Alan Ruttenberg: > ←
18:47:37 <alanr> > http://www.w3.org/TR/owl-test/byFunction#function-Thing
Alan Ruttenberg: > http://www.w3.org/TR/owl-test/byFunction#function-Thing ←
18:47:39 <alanr> q?
Alan Ruttenberg: q? ←
18:47:40 <alanr> q?
Alan Ruttenberg: q? ←
18:47:42 <dlm> +1 to getting clear on a working defn of compatibility
Deborah McGuinness: +1 to getting clear on a working defn of compatibility ←
18:47:45 <alanr> ack bijan
Alan Ruttenberg: ack bijan ←
18:47:55 <jeremy> OWL 1.0
Jeremy Carroll: OWL 1.0 ←
18:48:37 <JeffP> ian: we had similar discussion in WebOnt
Ian Horrocks: we had similar discussion in WebOnt [ Scribe Assist by Jeff Pan ] ←
18:48:38 <uli> but the entailments aren't the same.
Uli Sattler: but the entailments aren't the same. ←
18:49:11 <bijan> zakim, unmute me
Bijan Parsia: zakim, unmute me ←
18:49:11 <Zakim> bijan was not muted, bijan
Zakim IRC Bot: bijan was not muted, bijan ←
18:49:11 <jeremy> THe two known exceptions are size of universe and certain entailments involving annotations
Jeremy Carroll: THe two known exceptions are size of universe and certain entailments involving annotations ←
18:49:15 <bijan> zakim, mute me
Bijan Parsia: zakim, mute me ←
18:49:15 <Zakim> bijan should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: bijan should now be muted ←
18:49:17 <ivan> ack alanr
Ivan Herman: ack alanr ←
18:49:35 <JeffP> alanr: I want more compatibility than what is between RDF and OWL
Alan Ruttenberg: I want more compatibility than what is between RDF and OWL [ Scribe Assist by Jeff Pan ] ←
18:50:03 <pfps> where are the new sources of "incompatability"?
Peter Patel-Schneider: where are the new sources of "incompatability"? ←
18:50:04 <bijan> I agree with alanr...the corner case semantic alignment is much less important than bringing in more wffs
Bijan Parsia: I agree with alanr...the corner case semantic alignment is much less important than bringing in more wffs ←
18:50:35 <alanr> q?
Alan Ruttenberg: q? ←
18:50:38 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
18:50:53 <JeffP> dlm, it is a good idea to clarify compatibility
Jeff Pan: dlm, it is a good idea to clarify compatibility ←
18:50:57 <jeremy> Zakim, unmute me
Jeremy Carroll: Zakim, unmute me ←
18:50:57 <Zakim> jeremy should no longer be muted
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18:51:46 <bijan> That was a goal of, e.g., adding punnings
Bijan Parsia: That was a goal of, e.g., adding punnings ←
18:52:03 <bijan> I.e., to align to owl full
Bijan Parsia: I.e., to align to owl full ←
18:52:19 <bmotik> q+
Boris Motik: q+ ←
18:52:55 <pfps> my understanding is that semantic-full annotations are the result of not having black triples in RDF
Peter Patel-Schneider: my understanding is that semantic-full annotations are the result of not having dark triples in RDF ←
18:53:08 <pfps> s/black/dark/
18:53:22 <alanr> s/dark/graphite/
18:53:22 <bijan> I thought we *did* implement anntotions per the spec...I would love a pointer to where this is not the case
Bijan Parsia: I thought we *did* implement anntotions per the spec...I would love a pointer to where this is not the case ←
18:53:41 <pfps> there is a solution to backward compatability wrt annotations (but I don't like it)
Peter Patel-Schneider: there is a solution to backward compatability wrt annotations (but I don't like it) ←
18:53:48 <IanH> q+
Ian Horrocks: q+ ←
18:53:52 <bijan> I would love there to be a unity OWL
Bijan Parsia: I would love there to be a unity OWL ←
18:53:53 <JeffP> q?
18:54:07 <alanr> q+ to ask how we can tell whether annotations are correctly implemented
Alan Ruttenberg: q+ to ask how we can tell whether annotations are correctly implemented ←
18:54:15 <alanr> ack boris
Alan Ruttenberg: ack boris ←
18:54:17 <jeremy> Zakim, mute me
Jeremy Carroll: Zakim, mute me ←
18:54:17 <Zakim> jeremy should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: jeremy should now be muted ←
18:54:20 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
18:54:25 <ivan> ack bmotik
Ivan Herman: ack bmotik ←
18:55:05 <JeffP> boris: one design principle of OWL 1.1 is that ...
Boris Motik: one design principle of OWL 1.1 is that ... [ Scribe Assist by Jeff Pan ] ←
18:55:05 <jeremy> who are users???
Jeremy Carroll: who are users??? ←
18:55:31 <JeffP> boris: annotations have no serious semantics
Boris Motik: annotations have no serious semantics [ Scribe Assist by Jeff Pan ] ←
18:55:49 <jeremy> No Boris said no semantics not 'no serious semantics'
Jeremy Carroll: No Boris said no semantics not 'no serious semantics' ←
18:55:50 <JeffP> boris: comments are simply comments
Boris Motik: comments are simply comments [ Scribe Assist by Jeff Pan ] ←
18:55:51 <alanr> ack ianh
Alan Ruttenberg: ack ianh ←
18:56:21 <JeffP> Ian, in the charter we say to refine and extend OWL
Jeff Pan: Ian, in the charter we say to refine and extend OWL ←
18:56:26 <alanr> three cases of disparity: annotations, punning, (forget third)
Alan Ruttenberg: three cases of disparity: annotations, punning, (forget third) ←
18:56:35 <alanr> third: bnodes
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18:56:54 <jeremy> wrong - strong disagreement
Jeremy Carroll: wrong - strong disagreement ←
18:57:05 <alanr> wrong what, jeremy?
Alan Ruttenberg: wrong what, jeremy? ←
18:57:11 <jeremy> q+ to defend the quality of Sean's work
Jeremy Carroll: q+ to defend the quality of Sean's work ←
18:57:28 <JeffP> Ian: an OWL document should be one that could be translated from the one written in abstract syntax
Ian Horrocks: an OWL document should be one that could be translated from the one written in abstract syntax [ Scribe Assist by Jeff Pan ] ←
18:57:34 <JeffP> ... according to the spec
Jeff Pan: ... according to the spec ←
18:57:50 <JeffP> q?
18:57:53 <JeffP> ack alanr
18:57:53 <Zakim> alanr, you wanted to ask how we can tell whether annotations are correctly implemented
Zakim IRC Bot: alanr, you wanted to ask how we can tell whether annotations are correctly implemented ←
18:58:03 <bmotik> Yes, there is
Boris Motik: Yes, there is ←
18:58:04 <bijan> There seem to be test cases
Bijan Parsia: There seem to be test cases ←
18:58:08 <IanH> Sean's work was *excellent*, but it shouldn't have been *needed*
Ian Horrocks: Sean's work was *excellent*, but it shouldn't have been *needed* ←
18:58:17 <jeremy> Zakim, unmute me
Jeremy Carroll: Zakim, unmute me ←
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18:58:19 <bmotik> Ontology O1 does not entail O2 even if O1 and O2 are the same save for annotations.
Boris Motik: Ontology O1 does not entail O2 even if O1 and O2 are the same save for annotations. ←
18:58:45 <JeffP> jeremy, the semantics document is hard to get interpretation
Jeff Pan: jeremy, the semantics document is hard to get interpretation ←
18:59:06 <JeffP> Ian: this is completely different order
Ian Horrocks: this is completely different order [ Scribe Assist by Jeff Pan ] ←
18:59:13 <alanr> Does any tool implement ontology entailment?
Alan Ruttenberg: Does any tool implement ontology entailment? ←
18:59:18 <bijan> Yes
Bijan Parsia: Yes ←
18:59:18 <JeffP> ... the semantics document is technical
Jeff Pan: ... the semantics document is technical ←
18:59:19 <bijan> Pellet
Bijan Parsia: Pellet ←
18:59:28 <bmotik> We don't know even if it decidable
Boris Motik: We don't know even if it decidable ←
18:59:31 <JeffP> ... and understood by many people
Jeff Pan: ... and understood by many people ←
18:59:32 <alanr> Pellet has it commented out last time I checked
Alan Ruttenberg: Pellet has it commented out last time I checked ←
18:59:36 <bijan> ?
Bijan Parsia: ? ←
18:59:38 <bijan> No
Bijan Parsia: No ←
18:59:46 <jeremy> Zakim, mute me
Jeremy Carroll: Zakim, mute me ←
18:59:46 <Zakim> jeremy should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: jeremy should now be muted ←
18:59:55 <bijan> could do more on this
Bijan Parsia: could do more on this ←
19:00:15 <bmotik> No need to continue now. We should have a strategy to address this issue soon.
Boris Motik: No need to continue now. We should have a strategy to address this issue soon. ←
19:00:22 <bijan> Usage: java Pellet OPTIONS
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19:00:22 <bijan> {-if,-inputFile} <file URI> Input ontology URI
Bijan Parsia: {-if,-inputFile} <file URI> Input ontology URI ←
19:00:22 <bijan> {-is,-inputString} string A string representation of the input file
Bijan Parsia: {-is,-inputString} string A string representation of the input file ←
19:00:23 <bijan> -cf,-conclusionsFile} <URI> Check if all the triples in this ontology is
Bijan Parsia: -cf,-conclusionsFile} <URI> Check if all the triples in this ontology is ←
19:00:23 <bijan> entailed by the input ontology
Bijan Parsia: entailed by the input ontology ←
19:00:23 <bijan> {-cs,-conclusionsString} str A string representation of the conclusions fil
Bijan Parsia: {-cs,-conclusionsString} str A string representation of the conclusions fil ←
19:00:33 <Carsten> have to leave, sorry
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19:00:37 <Zakim> -Carsten
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19:00:56 <JeffP> Topic: Issues (35 min)
19:01:09 <JeffP> Topic: PROPOSAL: Base abbreviated URIs in Functional-style Syntax on CURIES not QNAMES (see Issue 14)
19:01:09 <alanr> PROPOSAL: Base abbreviated URIs in Functional-style Syntax on CURIES not QNAMES (see Issue 14)
PROPOSED: Base abbreviated URIs in Functional-style Syntax on CURIES not QNAMES (see ISSUE-14) ←
19:01:48 <alanr> +1
Alan Ruttenberg: +1 ←
19:01:53 <IanH> +1
Ian Horrocks: +1 ←
19:01:56 <pfps> +1 issue-14 proposal
Peter Patel-Schneider: +1 ISSUE-14 proposal ←
19:01:58 <MichaelSmith> +1
Michael Smith: +1 ←
19:02:01 <jeremy> HP abstain (but no desire for further discussion)
Jeremy Carroll: HP abstain (but no desire for further discussion) ←
19:02:03 <ivan> +1
Ivan Herman: +1 ←
19:02:04 <ewallace> +1
Evan Wallace: +1 ←
19:02:05 <bcuencag> +1
19:02:05 <Ratnesh> +1
Ratnesh Sahay: +1 ←
19:02:06 <achille> +1
Achille Fokoue: +1 ←
19:02:09 <JeffP> 0
19:02:12 <bmotik> 0
Boris Motik: 0 ←
19:02:16 <dlm> 0
19:02:20 <MartinD> 0
Martin Dzbor: 0 ←
19:02:22 <sandro> 0
Sandro Hawke: 0 ←
19:02:23 <ivan> q+
Ivan Herman: q+ ←
19:02:27 <jeremy> q-
Jeremy Carroll: q- ←
19:02:29 <JeffP> q?
19:02:32 <alanr> ack jeremy
Alan Ruttenberg: ack jeremy ←
19:02:40 <jeremy> Zakim, mute me
Jeremy Carroll: Zakim, mute me ←
19:02:40 <Zakim> jeremy should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: jeremy should now be muted ←
19:03:19 <alanr> q?
Alan Ruttenberg: q? ←
19:03:21 <bmotik> Could someone please point out the main benefit of using CURIES?
Boris Motik: Could someone please point out the main benefit of using CURIES? ←
19:03:24 <alanr> qck ivan
Alan Ruttenberg: qck ivan ←
19:03:26 <alanr> ack ivan
Alan Ruttenberg: ack ivan ←
19:03:27 <JeffP> ivan: it seems that we could do that without too much danger
Ivan Herman: it seems that we could do that without too much danger [ Scribe Assist by Jeff Pan ] ←
19:03:35 <pfps> curies allow abbreviating all IRIs
Peter Patel-Schneider: curies allow abbreviating all IRIs ←
19:03:44 <pfps> qnames don't
Peter Patel-Schneider: qnames don't ←
19:03:55 <jeremy> The main benefit is ids like http://ex.og/id/9324
Jeremy Carroll: The main benefit is ids like http://ex.og/id/9324 ←
19:03:57 <JeffP> Resolved: Base abbreviated URIs in Functional-style Syntax on CURIES not QNAMES (see Issue 14)
RESOLVED: Base abbreviated URIs in Functional-style Syntax on CURIES not QNAMES (see ISSUE-14) ←
19:04:08 <JeffP> PROPOSAL: Structural specification, XML Schema, and RDF mapping be extended to allow for multiple facet--value pairs in data ranges (see Issue 28)
PROPOSED: Structural specification, XML Schema, and RDF mapping be extended to allow for multiple facet--value pairs in data ranges (see ISSUE-28) ←
19:04:16 <alanr> +1
Alan Ruttenberg: +1 ←
19:04:20 <JeffP> +1
19:04:22 <jeremy> +1
Jeremy Carroll: +1 ←
19:04:22 <ewallace> +1
Evan Wallace: +1 ←
19:04:23 <uli> +1
Uli Sattler: +1 ←
19:04:24 <pfps> +1
19:04:24 <MichaelSmith> +1
Michael Smith: +1 ←
19:04:25 <IanH> +1
Ian Horrocks: +1 ←
19:04:27 <dlm> +1
Deborah McGuinness: +1 ←
19:04:27 <bijan> +1
Bijan Parsia: +1 ←
19:04:29 <MartinD> +1
Martin Dzbor: +1 ←
19:04:31 <GiorgosStoilos> +1
Giorgos Stoilos: +1 ←
19:04:34 <ivan> ivan: what I said is (for the minutes) we can normatively refer to the CURIE document (http://www.w3.org/TR/curie)
Ivan Herman: what I said is (for the minutes) we can normatively refer to the CURIE document (http://www.w3.org/TR/curie) [ Scribe Assist by Ivan Herman ] ←
19:04:37 <bcuencag> +1
19:04:38 <sandro> 0
Sandro Hawke: 0 ←
19:04:39 <ivan> +1
Ivan Herman: +1 ←
19:04:43 <achille> 0
Achille Fokoue: 0 ←
19:04:50 <bmotik> +1
Boris Motik: +1 ←
19:05:30 <JeffP> Resolved: PROPOSAL: Structural specification, XML Schema, and RDF mapping be extended to allow for multiple facet--value pairs in data ranges (see Issue 28)
RESOLVED: PROPOSAL: Structural specification, XML Schema, and RDF mapping be extended to allow for multiple facet--value pairs in data ranges (see ISSUE-28) ←
19:05:46 <JeffP> PROPOSAL: Issue 64 be resolved as per this email
PROPOSED: ISSUE-64 be resolved as per this email ←
19:06:05 <MichaelSmith> the email http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-owl-wg/2007Nov/0391.html
Michael Smith: the email http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-owl-wg/2007Nov/0391.html ←
19:06:10 <JeffP> object property chains in triples: confusion of list with property
Jeff Pan: object property chains in triples: confusion of list with property ←
19:06:24 <alanr> +1
Alan Ruttenberg: +1 ←
19:06:26 <bmotik> +1
Boris Motik: +1 ←
19:06:30 <IanH> +1
Ian Horrocks: +1 ←
19:06:32 <pfps> +1
19:06:32 <sandro> 0
Sandro Hawke: 0 ←
19:06:33 <achille> +1
Achille Fokoue: +1 ←
19:06:35 <MichaelSmith> +1
Michael Smith: +1 ←
19:06:37 <bcuencag> +1
19:06:42 <dlm> +1
Deborah McGuinness: +1 ←
19:06:44 <ewallace> 0
Evan Wallace: 0 ←
19:06:45 <MartinD> +1
Martin Dzbor: +1 ←
19:06:45 <uli> +1
Uli Sattler: +1 ←
19:06:49 <JeffP> 0
19:06:51 <ivan> 0 (do not remember the detail, but no reason for discussion for me)
Ivan Herman: 0 (do not remember the detail, but no reason for discussion for me) ←
19:06:52 <jeremy> +1
Jeremy Carroll: +1 ←
19:06:55 <alanr> q?
Alan Ruttenberg: q? ←
19:07:10 <bijan> +1
Bijan Parsia: +1 ←
19:07:21 <JeffP> Resolved: Issue 64 be resolved as per this email
RESOLVED: ISSUE-64 be resolved as per this email ←
19:07:32 <jeremy> q+ to ask about publications
Jeremy Carroll: q+ to ask about publications ←
19:07:41 <alanr> ack jeremy
Alan Ruttenberg: ack jeremy ←
19:07:42 <jeremy> Zakim, unmute me
Jeremy Carroll: Zakim, unmute me ←
19:07:43 <Zakim> jeremy, you wanted to ask about publications
Zakim IRC Bot: jeremy, you wanted to ask about publications ←
19:07:46 <Zakim> jeremy was not muted, jeremy
Zakim IRC Bot: jeremy was not muted, jeremy ←
19:08:16 <jeremy> Zakim, mute me
Jeremy Carroll: Zakim, mute me ←
19:08:16 <Zakim> jeremy should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: jeremy should now be muted ←
19:08:41 <jeremy> OK
Jeremy Carroll: OK ←
19:09:07 <alanr> Issue 2 revisited: RDF syntax for other "n-ary constructs"? (See [1] and thread.)
Alan Ruttenberg: ISSUE-2 revisited: RDF syntax for other "n-ary constructs"? (See [1] and thread.) ←
19:09:15 <jeremy> jeremy: do the issues resolved go into abput to be published docs
Jeremy Carroll: do the issues resolved go into abput to be published docs [ Scribe Assist by Jeremy Carroll ] ←
19:09:18 <jeremy> alan: yes
Alan Ruttenberg: yes [ Scribe Assist by Jeremy Carroll ] ←
19:09:30 <JeffP> thx, jeremy
19:09:58 <JeffP> (abput?)
19:10:11 <jeremy> (about)
Jeremy Carroll: (about) ←
19:10:17 <Zakim> -Vipul_Kashyap
Zakim IRC Bot: -Vipul_Kashyap ←
19:10:18 <bmotik> Yes
Boris Motik: Yes ←
19:10:23 <JeffP> s/abput/about
19:10:36 <pfps> q+
19:10:40 <alanr> acl peter
Alan Ruttenberg: acl peter ←
19:10:40 <pfps> zakim, unmute me
Peter Patel-Schneider: zakim, unmute me ←
19:10:40 <Zakim> pfps should no longer be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: pfps should no longer be muted ←
19:10:43 <alanr> ack peter
Alan Ruttenberg: ack peter ←
19:10:49 <bmotik> Yes
Boris Motik: Yes ←
19:10:56 <alanr> q+ alanr
Alan Ruttenberg: q+ alanr ←
19:11:01 <alanr> ack pfps
Alan Ruttenberg: ack pfps ←
19:11:01 <bmotik> q+
Boris Motik: q+ ←
19:11:03 <jeremy> I am against
Jeremy Carroll: I am against ←
19:11:16 <uli> against what
Uli Sattler: against what ←
19:11:19 <uli> ?
Uli Sattler: ? ←
19:11:23 <sandro> Zakim, list attendees
Sandro Hawke: Zakim, list attendees ←
19:11:23 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been jeremy, MIchaelSmith, bmotik, Alan, JeffP, Ivan, achille, bijan, Vipul_Kashyap, MartinD, pfps, Evan_Wallace, IanH, Conrad, uli, Sandro,
Zakim IRC Bot: As of this point the attendees have been jeremy, MIchaelSmith, bmotik, Alan, JeffP, Ivan, achille, bijan, Vipul_Kashyap, MartinD, pfps, Evan_Wallace, IanH, Conrad, uli, Sandro, ←
19:11:23 <JeffP> pfps: I am not conviced that it would solve the round-tripping problem (?)
Peter Patel-Schneider: I am not conviced that it would solve the round-tripping problem (?) [ Scribe Assist by Jeff Pan ] ←
19:11:24 <jeremy> against more vocab
Jeremy Carroll: against more vocab ←
19:11:27 <Zakim> ... bcuencag, Ratnesh, Deb, zhe, GiorgosStoilos, Carsten
Zakim IRC Bot: ... bcuencag, Ratnesh, Deb, zhe, GiorgosStoilos, Carsten ←
19:11:27 <pfps> what about the case for n=2?
Peter Patel-Schneider: what about the case for n=2? ←
19:11:32 <pfps> zakim, mute me
Peter Patel-Schneider: zakim, mute me ←
19:11:32 <Zakim> pfps should now be muted
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19:11:45 <JeffP> q?
19:11:49 <bijan> With suitable annotations, we could round trip without new vocab!
Bijan Parsia: With suitable annotations, we could round trip without new vocab! ←
19:11:58 <pfps> agreed
Peter Patel-Schneider: agreed ←
19:11:59 <IanH> against adding explicit rdf syntax for all n-ary constructs
Ian Horrocks: against adding explicit rdf syntax for all n-ary constructs ←
19:12:00 <sandro> zakim, who is on the phone?
Sandro Hawke: zakim, who is on the phone? ←
19:12:00 <Zakim> On the phone I see jeremy (muted), achille, bmotik, MichaelSmith, Alan, JeffP, Ivan, pfps (muted), bijan (muted), uli (muted), MartinD (muted), Ratnesh, Evan_Wallace, IanH, Conrad,
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see jeremy (muted), achille, bmotik, MichaelSmith, Alan, JeffP, Ivan, pfps (muted), bijan (muted), uli (muted), MartinD (muted), Ratnesh, Evan_Wallace, IanH, Conrad, ←
19:12:00 <alanr> ack alanr
Alan Ruttenberg: ack alanr ←
19:12:02 <ivan> ack alanr
Ivan Herman: ack alanr ←
19:12:03 <alanr> ack boris
Alan Ruttenberg: ack boris ←
19:12:04 <Zakim> ... Sandro, bcuencag (muted), Deb, zhe, GiorgosStoilos
Zakim IRC Bot: ... Sandro, bcuencag (muted), Deb, zhe, GiorgosStoilos ←
19:12:16 <alanr> q?
Alan Ruttenberg: q? ←
19:12:20 <alanr> ack bmotik
Alan Ruttenberg: ack bmotik ←
19:13:10 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
19:13:11 <JeffP> boris, the spec should be more implementable
Jeff Pan: boris, the spec should be more implementable ←
19:13:14 <bijan> zakim, unmute me
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19:13:39 <sandro> Present: Jeremy, Achille, bmotik, MichaelSmith, Alan, JeffP, Ivan, pfps, bijan, uli, MartinD, Ratnesh, Evan_Wallace, IanH, Conrad, Sandro, bcuencag, Deb, zhe, GiorgosStoilos, Vipul_Kashyap, Conrad, Carsten
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19:14:25 <JeffP> bijan: need to make things easier
Bijan Parsia: need to make things easier [ Scribe Assist by Jeff Pan ] ←
19:14:31 <bijan> zakim, mute me
Bijan Parsia: zakim, mute me ←
19:14:31 <Zakim> bijan should now be muted
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19:15:12 <bijan> Oh, I have users who really like nice serializations...that was a big deal
Bijan Parsia: Oh, I have users who really like nice serializations...that was a big deal ←
19:15:20 <bijan> So I would like to reduce *parser* freedom
Bijan Parsia: So I would like to reduce *parser* freedom ←
19:15:32 <bijan> (sorry, illness making me think slow...)
Bijan Parsia: (sorry, illness making me think slow...) ←
19:15:52 <bijan> IT's not just an implementator issue, but a user issue
Bijan Parsia: IT's not just an implementator issue, but a user issue ←
19:16:30 <bijan> Not if you use the binary constructs
Bijan Parsia: Not if you use the binary constructs ←
19:16:58 <JeffP> alanr: if so, then an OWL DL ontology could become something not a proper OWL DlL ontology after some parsing
Alan Ruttenberg: if so, then an OWL DL ontology could become something not a proper OWL DlL ontology after some parsing [ Scribe Assist by Jeff Pan ] ←
19:17:00 <bijan> I think Protege4 is using some aggressive pretty printing
Bijan Parsia: I think Protege4 is using some aggressive pretty printing ←
19:17:25 <jeremy> (for me this is hitting the bigger issues about what are the goals ....)
Jeremy Carroll: (for me this is hitting the bigger issues about what are the goals ....) ←
19:17:40 <IanH> Yes, I guess that P4 "helps" you by turning multiple binary into an nary?
Ian Horrocks: Yes, I guess that P4 "helps" you by turning multiple binary into an nary? ←
19:17:49 <alanr> this is not a help
Alan Ruttenberg: this is not a help ←
19:17:49 <bijan> It may
Bijan Parsia: It may ←
19:17:53 <pfps> but what if you are building an OWL 1.0 ontology in Protege? then you would generate OWL 1.1, not OWL 1.0, in the RDF
Peter Patel-Schneider: but what if you are building an OWL 1.0 ontology in Protege? then you would generate OWL 1.1, not OWL 1.0, in the RDF ←
19:18:13 <bijan> Yep...this may be a bug in the serializer
Bijan Parsia: Yep...this may be a bug in the serializer ←
19:18:13 <Zakim> -Conrad
Zakim IRC Bot: -Conrad ←
19:18:16 <uli> ...but this is about P4 and not about "what is possible/should be done"
Uli Sattler: ...but this is about P4 and not about "what is possible/should be done" ←
19:18:39 <IanH> but this is a tool issue
Ian Horrocks: but this is a tool issue ←
19:18:39 <JeffP> is this n-ary thing done by Protete using the well known design pattern for n-ary relations?
Jeff Pan: is this n-ary thing done by Protete using the well known design pattern for n-ary relations? ←
19:18:54 <IanH> P4 should allow you to explicitly save as 1.0
Ian Horrocks: P4 should allow you to explicitly save as 1.0 ←
19:19:09 <bijan> It should respect how you construct
Bijan Parsia: It should respect how you construct ←
19:19:09 <IanH> See numerous Microsoft tools for details
Ian Horrocks: See numerous Microsoft tools for details ←
19:19:23 <bijan> That's the intend of the roundtripping design
Bijan Parsia: That's the intend of the roundtripping design ←
19:19:24 <JeffP> alanr: annotation properties would be changed too
Alan Ruttenberg: annotation properties would be changed too [ Scribe Assist by Jeff Pan ] ←
19:19:25 <uli> But Alan, these are still P4 issues -- or are any of them due to OWL1.1?
Uli Sattler: But Alan, these are still P4 issues -- or are any of them due to OWL1.1? ←
19:20:05 <jeremy> Zakim, unmute me
Jeremy Carroll: Zakim, unmute me ←
19:20:05 <Zakim> jeremy should no longer be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: jeremy should no longer be muted ←
19:20:12 <IanH> Q+
Ian Horrocks: Q+ ←
19:20:12 <JeffP> (maybe we should take this offline)
Jeff Pan: (maybe we should take this offline) ←
19:20:18 <JeffP> zakim, who is talking?
Jeff Pan: zakim, who is talking? ←
19:20:29 <jeremy> Zakim, mute me
Jeremy Carroll: Zakim, mute me ←
19:20:29 <Zakim> jeremy should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: jeremy should now be muted ←
19:20:30 <Zakim> JeffP, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: jeremy (5%), Alan (39%)
Zakim IRC Bot: JeffP, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: jeremy (5%), Alan (39%) ←
19:20:32 <alanr> q?
Alan Ruttenberg: q? ←
19:20:32 <JeffP> q?
19:20:32 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
19:20:57 <JeffP> Ian, I think this is a tool issue rather than a language issue
Jeff Pan: Ian, I think this is a tool issue rather than a language issue ←
19:21:43 <Zakim> -jeremy
Zakim IRC Bot: -jeremy ←
19:21:43 <JeffP> ... tools supporting OWL 1.1 will produce OWL1.1 files by default
Jeff Pan: ... tools supporting OWL 1.1 will produce OWL1.1 files by default ←
19:21:44 <bijan> But you need to distinguish the tool issues from langauge issues
Bijan Parsia: But you need to distinguish the tool issues from langauge issues ←
19:21:55 <jeremy> Please let me know when we are on topic
Jeremy Carroll: Please let me know when we are on topic ←
19:22:02 <ivan> :-)
Ivan Herman: :-) ←
19:22:10 <jeremy> and I will rejoin
Jeremy Carroll: and I will rejoin ←
19:22:14 <achille> +1 for Ian's view that it is a tool issue
Achille Fokoue: +1 for Ian's view that it is a tool issue ←
19:22:19 <bijan> Round tripping, as boris described, should work fine. If protege does some munging in its serialization...that's different
Bijan Parsia: Round tripping, as boris described, should work fine. If protege does some munging in its serialization...that's different ←
19:22:24 <JeffP> rool call on issue 2?
Jeff Pan: rool call on ISSUE-2? ←
19:22:27 <alanr> roll call on issue 2 revisited?
Alan Ruttenberg: roll call on ISSUE-2 revisited? ←
19:22:33 <jeremy> -1
Jeremy Carroll: -1 ←
19:22:36 <bmotik> +1 to extend all n-ary constructs to n-ary
Boris Motik: +1 to extend all n-ary constructs to n-ary ←
19:22:39 <JeffP> Issue 2 revisited: RDF syntax for other "n-ary constructs"? (See [1] and thread.)
Jeff Pan: ISSUE-2 revisited: RDF syntax for other "n-ary constructs"? (See [1] and thread.) ←
19:22:40 <bijan> Yeah, what'st he resolution?
Bijan Parsia: Yeah, what'st he resolution? ←
19:22:53 <uli> did we not already do this call?
Uli Sattler: did we not already do this call? ←
19:22:58 <pfps> no proposal was in the minutes
Peter Patel-Schneider: no proposal was in the agenda ←
19:23:01 <IanH> +1 to either extend all n-ary constructs to n-ary or remove them from functional syntax
Ian Horrocks: +1 to either extend all n-ary constructs to n-ary or remove them from functional syntax ←
19:23:20 <pfps> s/minutes/agenda/
19:23:23 <bijan> IanH, really?
Bijan Parsia: IanH, really? ←
19:23:31 <bijan> Including AllDisjoint?
Bijan Parsia: Including AllDisjoint? ←
19:23:47 <IanH> yes -- I want the various syntaxes to be properly aligned
Ian Horrocks: yes -- I want the various syntaxes to be properly aligned ←
19:23:47 <jeremy> AllDisjoint was solved and agreed
Jeremy Carroll: AllDisjoint was solved and agreed ←
19:24:05 <bijan> That was my understanding too, jeremy
Bijan Parsia: That was my understanding too, jeremy ←
19:24:23 <bijan> IanH do you propose reopening AllDisjoint? What about AllDifferent?
Bijan Parsia: IanH do you propose reopening AllDisjoint? What about AllDifferent? ←
19:24:25 <uli> mine too, Jeremy
Uli Sattler: mine too, Jeremy ←
19:24:29 <IanH> My preference would be to extend the RDF, not emasculate the functional syntax
Ian Horrocks: My preference would be to extend the RDF, not emasculate the functional syntax ←
19:24:42 <alanr> alldifferent is already in this form in 1.0 iirc
Alan Ruttenberg: alldifferent is already in this form in 1.0 iirc ←
19:24:47 <IanH> I don't ropose reopening AllDisjoint? What about AllDifferent? -- they are in alignment
Ian Horrocks: I don't ropose reopening AllDisjoint? What about AllDifferent? -- they are in alignment ←
19:24:52 <jeremy> yes
Jeremy Carroll: yes ←
19:24:52 <pfps> what about objectunionof, objectintersectionof?
Peter Patel-Schneider: what about objectunionof, objectintersectionof? ←
19:25:04 <bijan> Can we move this to email?
Bijan Parsia: Can we move this to email? ←
19:25:38 <JeffP> Ian, I would like to see some alignment between the two syntax
Jeff Pan: Ian, I would like to see some alignment between the two syntax ←
19:25:54 <Zakim> +jeremy
Zakim IRC Bot: +jeremy ←
19:26:03 <jeremy> zakim, mute me
Jeremy Carroll: zakim, mute me ←
19:26:03 <Zakim> jeremy should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: jeremy should now be muted ←
19:26:10 <ewallace> agree with Ivan, but can we have an action to record where we are on this
Evan Wallace: agree with Ivan, but can we have an action to record where we are on this ←
19:26:12 <bijan> sire
Bijan Parsia: sire ←
19:26:17 <bijan> zakim, unmute me
Bijan Parsia: zakim, unmute me ←
19:26:17 <Zakim> bijan should no longer be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: bijan should no longer be muted ←
19:26:17 <ivan> :-)
Ivan Herman: :-) ←
19:26:24 <JeffP> Topic: RIF meeting
19:26:37 <alanr> open to suggestions of which one might have been easier :)
Alan Ruttenberg: open to suggestions of which one might have been easier :) ←
19:26:47 <JeffP> bijan, there is a draft on compatibility between RIF and OWL
Jeff Pan: bijan, there is a draft on compatibility between RIF and OWL ←
19:26:53 <alanr> apologies for taking liberty with chair
Alan Ruttenberg: apologies for taking liberty with chair ←
19:27:04 <pfps> http://www.w3.org/2005/rules/wg/wiki/SWC/OWL-Compatibility
Peter Patel-Schneider: http://www.w3.org/2005/rules/wg/wiki/SWC/OWL-Compatibility ←
19:27:06 <JeffP> ... people suggested RIF should talk to us on it
Jeff Pan: ... people suggested RIF should talk to us on it ←
19:27:34 <JeffP> ... proposed a joint TF
Jeff Pan: ... proposed a joint TF ←
19:27:50 <JeffP> ... between the two WGs
Jeff Pan: ... between the two WGs ←
19:28:10 <JeffP> alanr: do we need nominate someone?
Alan Ruttenberg: do we need nominate someone? [ Scribe Assist by Jeff Pan ] ←
19:28:27 <JeffP> Sandro: we didn't remember the exact number
Sandro Hawke: we didn't remember the exact number [ Scribe Assist by Jeff Pan ] ←
19:28:44 <JeffP> bijan, ChrisW will contact the chairs of this WG
Jeff Pan: bijan, ChrisW will contact the chairs of this WG ←
19:29:11 <bijan> zakim, mute me
Bijan Parsia: zakim, mute me ←
19:29:13 <Zakim> bijan should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: bijan should now be muted ←
19:29:27 <uli> bye bye
Uli Sattler: bye bye ←
19:29:28 <Zakim> -Evan_Wallace
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19:29:30 <bmotik> bye
Boris Motik: bye ←
19:29:34 <MichaelSmith> bye
Michael Smith: bye ←
19:29:35 <Zakim> -IanH
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19:29:36 <Zakim> -jeremy
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19:29:36 <Zakim> -bcuencag
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19:29:37 <Zakim> -uli
Zakim IRC Bot: -uli ←
19:29:38 <achille> bye
Achille Fokoue: bye ←
19:29:39 <Zakim> -MichaelSmith
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19:29:40 <ivan> bye bye, see some of you next week in Manchester
Ivan Herman: bye bye, see some of you next week in Manchester ←
19:29:40 <Ratnesh3> bye
Ratnesh Sahay: bye ←
19:29:40 <Zakim> -bmotik
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19:29:41 <Zakim> -Alan
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19:29:42 <Zakim> -GiorgosStoilos
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19:29:43 <Zakim> -zhe
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19:29:44 <Zakim> -MartinD
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19:29:46 <Zakim> -bijan
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19:29:48 <Zakim> -Sandro
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19:29:50 <Zakim> -Ivan
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19:29:52 <Zakim> -Deb
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19:29:54 <Zakim> -achille
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19:29:56 <Zakim> -pfps
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19:30:00 <Zakim> -Ratnesh
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19:30:05 <sandro> JeffP, can you hang on for 2 minutes?
Sandro Hawke: JeffP, can you hang on for 2 minutes? ←
19:30:08 <sandro> (on IRC)
Sandro Hawke: (on IRC) ←
19:30:11 <JeffP> ok
19:30:14 <Zakim> -JeffP
Zakim IRC Bot: -JeffP ←
19:30:16 <Zakim> SW_OWL()12:00PM has ended
Zakim IRC Bot: SW_OWL()12:00PM has ended ←
19:30:18 <Zakim> Attendees were jeremy, MIchaelSmith, bmotik, Alan, JeffP, Ivan, achille, bijan, Vipul_Kashyap, MartinD, pfps, Evan_Wallace, IanH, Conrad, uli, Sandro, bcuencag, Ratnesh, Deb, zhe,
Zakim IRC Bot: Attendees were jeremy, MIchaelSmith, bmotik, Alan, JeffP, Ivan, achille, bijan, Vipul_Kashyap, MartinD, pfps, Evan_Wallace, IanH, Conrad, uli, Sandro, bcuencag, Ratnesh, Deb, zhe, ←
19:30:20 <Zakim> ... GiorgosStoilos, Carsten
Zakim IRC Bot: ... GiorgosStoilos, Carsten ←
19:30:47 <bijan> http://www.w3.org/2005/rules/wg/wiki/SWC/OWL-Compatibility
Bijan Parsia: http://www.w3.org/2005/rules/wg/wiki/SWC/OWL-Compatibility ←
19:31:57 <sandro> Thanks, Bijan!
Sandro Hawke: Thanks, Bijan! ←
19:32:15 <bijan> np, kitchen dude
Bijan Parsia: np, kitchen dude ←
19:32:25 <sandro> or scribe-helping dude right now
Sandro Hawke: or scribe-helping dude right now ←
19:32:33 <JeffP> :-)
19:33:06 <bijan> I was tempted to retort "What, you don't have a web browser in the kitchen? Isn't that a w3c team requriement?"
Bijan Parsia: I was tempted to retort "What, you don't have a web browser in the kitchen? Isn't that a w3c team requriement?" ←
19:33:26 <JeffP> haha
19:34:06 <sandro> Anyway, Jeff, I think http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/wiki/Teleconference.2007.11.28/Minutes is now ready for you.
Sandro Hawke: Anyway, Jeff, I think http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/wiki/Teleconference.2007.11.28/Minutes is now ready for you. ←
19:34:45 <sandro> There are lot of [BOT] lines which can be simply deleted. If any lines are marked BOT when they should not be, or aren't when they should be, please let me know.
Sandro Hawke: There are lot of [BOT] lines which can be simply deleted. If any lines are marked BOT when they should not be, or aren't when they should be, please let me know. ←
19:34:56 <sandro> simple deleted after reading them. :)
Sandro Hawke: simple deleted after reading them. :) ←
19:35:06 <JeffP> ok
19:35:31 <sandro> okay later!
Sandro Hawke: okay later! ←
19:35:37 <JeffP> bye
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