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Linked Data Platform (LDP) Working Group Teleconference

Minutes of 30 June 2014

Agenda
http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/wiki/Meetings:Telecon2014.06.30
Present
Cody Burleson, Nandana Mihindukulasooriya, Arnaud Le Hors, Ashok Malhotra, Henry Story, Andrei Sambra, Sandro Hawke, Eric Prud'hommeaux, Pierre-Antoine Champin
Regrets
Steve Speicher, John Arwe, Sergio Fernández
Chair
Arnaud Le Hors
Scribe
Nandana Mihindukulasooriya
IRC Log
Original
Resolutions
  1. Minutes of 23 June approved without objection link
  2. LDP servers MUST NOT initiate paging unless the client has indicated it understands paging (such as via the Prefer page-size header) link
  3. replace "Single Page Resource" with "In-Sequence Page Resource", which is still loosely "page" link
Topics
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13:58:39 <trackbot> Meeting: Linked Data Platform (LDP) Working Group Teleconference
13:58:39 <trackbot> Date: 30 June 2014
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13:59:41 <codyburleson> Zakim, IPcaller is me.

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13:59:53 <nmihindu> Zakim, ??P5 is me

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13:59:59 <nmihindu> Zakim, mute me

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13:59:59 <Zakim> nmihindu should now be muted

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14:00:03 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]

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14:00:14 <Arnaud> zakim, IPcaller is me

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14:00:16 <Zakim> +Arnaud; got it

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14:00:44 <SteveS> I’m only on IRC today

Steve Speicher: I’m only on IRC today

14:01:07 <Arnaud> how are you going to scribe?

Arnaud Le Hors: how are you going to scribe?

14:01:24 <SteveS> I’ll just make it up

Steve Speicher: I’ll just make it up

14:01:31 <Arnaud> zakim, who's on the phone?

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14:01:31 <Zakim> On the phone I see codyburleson, nmihindu (muted), Arnaud

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14:01:34 <nmihindu> scribenick: nmihindu

(Scribe set to Nandana Mihindukulasooriya)

<nmihindu> regrets: steves, johnarwe, sergio
<nmihindu> chair: Arnaud
<nmihindu> agenda: http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/wiki/Meetings:Telecon2014.06.30
14:01:35 <SteveS> Arnaud: praises Steve

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14:02:26 <Zakim> +Ashok_Malhotra

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14:02:27 <Zakim> +bblfish

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14:02:45 <Zakim> +??P10

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14:02:54 <deiu> Zakim, ??P10 is me

Andrei Sambra: Zakim, ??P10 is me

14:02:54 <Zakim> +deiu; got it

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14:02:58 <bblfish> hi

Henry Story: hi

14:02:59 <deiu> Zakim, mute me please

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14:03:00 <Zakim> deiu should now be muted

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14:03:01 <deiu> Hi

Andrei Sambra: Hi

14:03:10 <Zakim> +Sandro

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14:03:56 <nmihindu> he sent regrets I think

he sent regrets I think

14:04:15 <Zakim> +ericP

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14:05:15 <nmihindu> Topic: Admin

1. Admin

14:05:19 <nmihindu> Approval of Minutes of the 23 June telecon

Approval of Minutes of the 23 June telecon

14:05:24 <nmihindu> http://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/ldp/2014-06-23

http://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/ldp/2014-06-23

14:05:46 <Zakim> +??P14

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14:05:51 <pchampin> zakim, ??P14 is me

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14:06:05 <nmihindu> Arnaud: any objections ?

Arnaud Le Hors: any objections ?

14:06:14 <nmihindu> resolved: Minutes of 23 June approved without objection

RESOLVED: Minutes of 23 June approved without objection

14:07:05 <nmihindu> Arnaud: next meeting will be on July 07th

Arnaud Le Hors: next meeting will be on July 07th

14:07:10 <nmihindu> Topic: Actions and Issues

2. Actions and Issues

14:07:30 <nmihindu> Arnaud: actions to declare victory ?

Arnaud Le Hors: actions to declare victory ?

14:07:39 <nmihindu> ... no actions to report

... no actions to report

14:07:43 <nmihindu> Topic: Paging spec

3. Paging spec

14:08:19 <nmihindu> Arnaud: summarizing the status of the paging spec

Arnaud Le Hors: summarizing the status of the paging spec

14:08:36 <nmihindu> ... there are two items we need to confirm

... there are two items we need to confirm

14:08:50 <nmihindu> ... 1. Confirm MUST in section 4.1.1

... 1. Confirm MUST in section 4.1.1

14:09:12 <Arnaud> https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/ldpwg/raw-file/default/ldp-paging.html#general

Arnaud Le Hors: https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/ldpwg/raw-file/default/ldp-paging.html#general

14:10:01 <nmihindu> ... do we agree, LDP Paging clients MUST be paging-aware ?

... do we agree, LDP Paging clients MUST be paging-aware ?

14:10:24 <nmihindu> Sandro: we can remove it, it is not a MUST, it is a definition

Sandro Hawke: we can remove it, it is not a MUST, it is a definition

14:10:45 <nmihindu> ... the real question is whether the LDP clients should be LDP Paging clients also

... the real question is whether the LDP clients should be LDP Paging clients also

14:11:04 <SteveS> We have that marked at risk https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/ldpwg/raw-file/default/ldp.html#atrisk-paging

Steve Speicher: We have that marked at risk https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/ldpwg/raw-file/default/ldp.html#atrisk-paging

14:11:19 <nmihindu> ... was it in the spec that all LDP clients should be paging aware ?

... was it in the spec that all LDP clients should be paging aware ?

14:11:30 <nmihindu> Arnaud: I think it was

Arnaud Le Hors: I think it was

14:12:41 <nmihindu> Sandro: Shall we continue or not? we need JohnArwe and SteveS on the call

Sandro Hawke: Shall we continue or not? we need JohnArwe and SteveS on the call

14:13:19 <nmihindu> Arnaud: It is also good to have the opinion of the rest of the group

Arnaud Le Hors: It is also good to have the opinion of the rest of the group

14:13:23 <bblfish> I have not implemented paging yet, partly also because I have been busy doing other thigns. Am getting some time again to program, perhaps even client side.

Henry Story: I have not implemented paging yet, partly also because I have been busy doing other thigns. Am getting some time again to program, perhaps even client side.

14:14:29 <nmihindu> Ashok: the 5 kinds of clients are descriptive ?

Ashok Malhotra: the 5 kinds of clients are descriptive ?

14:14:30 <codyburleson> We have not implemented paging yet because we're still working on other aspects of implementation. We're limited in bandwidth, so just trying to stay as up-to-date as possible with what we hear.

Cody Burleson: We have not implemented paging yet because we're still working on other aspects of implementation. We're limited in bandwidth, so just trying to stay as up-to-date as possible with what we hear.

14:14:56 <nmihindu> sandro: yes, I don't see much value in making them nominative

Sandro Hawke: yes, I don't see much value in making them nominative

14:15:08 <SteveS> I think it is fine to remove the at risk text about warning LDP clients about server-initiated paging.  To me, it would seem possible that we could have LDP PAGING clients that would be expected to handle paging responses

Steve Speicher: I think it is fine to remove the at risk text about warning LDP clients about server-initiated paging. To me, it would seem possible that we could have LDP PAGING clients that would be expected to handle paging responses

14:15:33 <nmihindu> ... what matters is what the servers no about the clients

... what matters is what the servers no about the clients

14:15:59 <nmihindu> \s\no\know

\s\no\know

14:17:27 <nmihindu> Arnaud: we have a feature at risk that says LDP clients should handle paging

Arnaud Le Hors: we have a feature at risk that says LDP clients should handle paging

14:17:45 <SteveS> If I had to prioritize where my own exploration and adoption would be: 1. patch 2. paging .  Though there isn’t a big gap in the priorities

Steve Speicher: If I had to prioritize where my own exploration and adoption would be: 1. patch 2. paging . Though there isn’t a big gap in the priorities

14:18:06 <nmihindu> sandro: if we finish the paging spec, it is not a feature at risk anymore

Sandro Hawke: if we finish the paging spec, it is not a feature at risk anymore

14:18:24 <nmihindu> ,.. but SHOULD vs MUST, we don't want make paging a MUST

,.. but SHOULD vs MUST, we don't want make paging a MUST

14:18:50 <Arnaud> http://www.w3.org/TR/2014/CR-ldp-20140619/#h5_ldpr-cli-hints-ignorable

Arnaud Le Hors: http://www.w3.org/TR/2014/CR-ldp-20140619/#h5_ldpr-cli-hints-ignorable

14:18:54 <nmihindu> Ashok: we can only do paging with clients support paging, isn't it ?

Ashok Malhotra: we can only do paging with clients support paging, isn't it ?

14:19:39 <nmihindu> sandro: the clients that can't handle might loose some information in the case of paging

Sandro Hawke: the clients that can't handle might loose some information in the case of paging

14:19:42 <Zakim> -Arnaud

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14:19:46 <Arnaud> shoot

Arnaud Le Hors: shoot

14:19:47 <sandro> PROPOSED: LDP servers MUST NOT initiate paging unless the client has indicated it understands paging (such as via the Prefer page-size header)

PROPOSED: LDP servers MUST NOT initiate paging unless the client has indicated it understands paging (such as via the Prefer page-size header)

14:20:24 <deiu> +1

Andrei Sambra: +1

14:20:24 <codyburleson> +1

Cody Burleson: +1

14:20:26 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]

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14:20:28 <nmihindu> +1

+1

14:20:29 <sandro> +1

Sandro Hawke: +1

14:20:35 <Arnaud> zakim, IPcaller is me

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14:20:35 <Zakim> +Arnaud; got it

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14:21:03 <pchampin> +1

Pierre-Antoine Champin: +1

14:21:07 <MiguelAraCo> +0

Miguel Aragón: +0

14:21:09 <sandro> RESOLVED: LDP servers MUST NOT initiate paging unless the client has indicated it understands paging (such as via the Prefer page-size header)

RESOLVED: LDP servers MUST NOT initiate paging unless the client has indicated it understands paging (such as via the Prefer page-size header)

14:21:20 <bblfish> sounds reasonable

Henry Story: sounds reasonable

14:21:52 <SteveS> -0.2 as feels like it should be a SHOULD NOT and not a MUST NOT.

Steve Speicher: -0.2 as feels like it should be a SHOULD NOT and not a MUST NOT.

14:22:07 <nmihindu> Arnaud: section 4.1.1 doesn't give much information, it is an obvious point

Arnaud Le Hors: section 4.1.1 doesn't give much information, it is an obvious point

14:22:42 <nmihindu> Ashok: should we replace 4.1.1 with the statement that was resolved ?

Ashok Malhotra: should we replace 4.1.1 with the statement that was resolved ?

14:23:11 <nmihindu> Arnaud: we could decide it drop it or confirm it JohnArwe

Arnaud Le Hors: we could decide it drop it or confirm it JohnArwe

14:23:43 <nmihindu> sandro: it seems editorial not normative. we can leave it to the editors

Sandro Hawke: it seems editorial not normative. we can leave it to the editors

14:24:16 <sandro> PROPOSED: replace 4.1.1 with a statement that clients which send Prefer page-size MUST act the same whether servers initiate paging or not.

PROPOSED: replace 4.1.1 with a statement that clients which send Prefer page-size MUST act the same whether servers initiate paging or not.

14:24:22 <nmihindu> Arnaud: Asok has a point. there is a correlation with 4.1.1 and what was proposed.

Arnaud Le Hors: Asok has a point. there is a correlation with 4.1.1 and what was proposed.

14:25:03 <sandro> sandro: maybe going to far, they must handle it in a way which doesn't cause upstream/user problems

Sandro Hawke: maybe going to far, they must handle it in a way which doesn't cause upstream/user problems [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ]

14:25:23 <sandro> PROPOSED: replace 4.1.1 with a statement that clients which send Prefer page-size MUST act properly, without causing upstream/user problems, if a server decides to initiate paging.

PROPOSED: replace 4.1.1 with a statement that clients which send Prefer page-size MUST act properly, without causing upstream/user problems, if a server decides to initiate paging.

14:25:47 <sandro> +1

Sandro Hawke: +1

14:25:59 <sandro> sandro: not wording exact

Sandro Hawke: not wording exact [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ]

14:26:27 <nmihindu> pchampin: MUST act properly might be a bit vaue

Pierre-Antoine Champin: MUST act properly might be a bit vague

14:26:29 <ericP>  propose: s/act properly/not freak out about/

Eric Prud'hommeaux: propose: s/act properly/not freak out about/

14:26:59 <nmihindu> s/vaue/vague
14:27:05 <sandro> PROPOSED: replace 4.1.1 with a statement that clients which send Prefer page-size MUST not break (eg must not cause upsteam/user problems) if a server decides to initiate paging.

PROPOSED: replace 4.1.1 with a statement that clients which send Prefer page-size MUST not break (eg must not cause upsteam/user problems) if a server decides to initiate paging.

14:27:40 <SteveS> +1 I think it is improvement, editors will get intent and edit as needed

Steve Speicher: +1 I think it is improvement, editors will get intent and edit as needed

14:27:45 <sandro> PROPOSED: replace 4.1.1 with a statement that clients which send Prefer page-size MUST conform to the other rules of this spec

PROPOSED: replace 4.1.1 with a statement that clients which send Prefer page-size MUST conform to the other rules of this spec

14:27:59 <sandro> (general agreement of intent)

Sandro Hawke: (general agreement of intent)

14:28:30 <sandro> Arnaud: don't need a resolution; this should give John enough to chew on

Arnaud Le Hors: don't need a resolution; this should give John enough to chew on [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ]

14:28:42 <sandro> https://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/wiki/Names_in_Paging

Sandro Hawke: https://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/wiki/Names_in_Paging

14:28:47 <nmihindu> Arnaud: the next thing to discuss was about the naming

Arnaud Le Hors: the next thing to discuss was about the naming

14:29:01 <SteveS> If server can’t satisfy the request, what status code should be given?  I see impls use 403 (Forbidden)

Steve Speicher: If server can’t satisfy the request, what status code should be given? I see impls use 403 (Forbidden)

14:29:16 <sandro> SteveS, do you "superset resource" as the companion to "subset resource" ?

Sandro Hawke: SteveS, do you "superset resource" as the companion to "subset resource" ?

14:29:40 <nmihindu> Arnaud: only sandro, JohnArwe, and SteveS has added their preferences

Arnaud Le Hors: only sandro, JohnArwe, and SteveS has added their preferences

14:29:43 <sandro> SteveS, by HTTP, servers are allowed to silently ignore Prefer headers.   So I'd say no error.

Sandro Hawke: SteveS, by HTTP, servers are allowed to silently ignore Prefer headers. So I'd say no error.

14:30:22 <nmihindu> sandro: the term paged resource doesn't match with the rest

Sandro Hawke: the term paged resource doesn't match with the rest

14:30:41 <SteveS> sandro, could be superset, or someway I was thinking of “inclusion resource” but didn’t sound right

Steve Speicher: sandro, could be superset, or someway I was thinking of “inclusion resource” but didn’t sound right

14:30:55 <codyburleson> Does single-page resource mean a single resource within a page?

Cody Burleson: Does single-page resource mean a single resource within a page?

14:30:55 <nmihindu> Arnaud: sandro, what's your favourite at the moment ?

Arnaud Le Hors: sandro, what's your favourite at the moment ?

14:32:15 <Ashok> q+

Ashok Malhotra: q+

14:32:16 <SteveS> sandro, so if an HTTP server gets a Prefer header that is doesn’t syntactically validate…would it ignore it? use some fallback logic? or fail the request?  I think all would be acceptable, so I don’t think HTTP says that you can’t give an error on an optional piece

Steve Speicher: sandro, so if an HTTP server gets a Prefer header that is doesn’t syntactically validate…would it ignore it? use some fallback logic? or fail the request? I think all would be acceptable, so I don’t think HTTP says that you can’t give an error on an optional piece

14:32:23 <nmihindu> sandro: in the initial post, in-sequence resource

Sandro Hawke: in the initial post, in-sequence resource

14:33:06 <bblfish> subset and superset make sense

Henry Story: subset and superset make sense

14:33:29 <bblfish> subset does not usually contain the notion of order

Henry Story: subset does not usually contain the notion of order

14:33:57 <SteveS> “ordered subset” can fix that

Steve Speicher: “ordered subset” can fix that

14:34:23 <bblfish> true

Henry Story: true

14:35:50 <Arnaud> ack ashok

Arnaud Le Hors: ack ashok

14:35:51 <nmihindu> ericP: are we talking about pageable resources ?

Eric Prud'hommeaux: are we talking about pageable resources ?

14:36:48 <nmihindu> Ashok: what we have by default is ok. I don't think people will get confused with page

Ashok Malhotra: what we have by default is ok. I don't think people will get confused with page

14:37:30 <nmihindu> Arnaud: if we use ldp:Page it might not be ambiguous

Arnaud Le Hors: if we use ldp:Page it might not be ambiguous

14:37:43 <sandro> sandro: it has to be ldp:PagingPage

Sandro Hawke: it has to be ldp:PagingPage [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ]

14:37:45 <nmihindu> sandro: LDPPagingPage ;) ?

Sandro Hawke: LDPPagingPage ;) ?

14:38:31 <nmihindu> Arnaud: we used the generic terms in the LDP spec with ldp namespace such as resource

Arnaud Le Hors: we used the generic terms in the LDP spec with ldp namespace such as resource

14:38:59 <codyburleson> "sequential part"

Cody Burleson: "sequential part"

14:39:04 <bblfish> what about Iterated

Henry Story: what about Iterated

14:39:12 <bblfish> an Iterated Page

Henry Story: an Iterated Page

14:39:23 <bblfish> sequenced Page is better

Henry Story: sequenced Page is better

14:39:26 <nmihindu> sandro: Single Page resource is a confusing term

Sandro Hawke: Single Page resource is a confusing term

14:40:02 <nmihindu> Ashok: do you agree with what we have today ?

Ashok Malhotra: do you agree with what we have today ?

14:40:14 <nmihindu> sandro: I vote will be -.7

Sandro Hawke: my vote will be -.7

14:40:36 <nmihindu> s/I/my
14:40:42 <ericP> -1 to forward-thinking clarity

Eric Prud'hommeaux: -1 to forward-thinking clarity

14:40:48 <Arnaud> strawpoll: would you prefer keeping what we have or use some other names?

STRAWPOLL: would you prefer keeping what we have or use some other names?

14:41:04 <sandro> +1 "single page resource" is pretty bad

Sandro Hawke: +1 "single page resource" is pretty bad

14:41:12 <ericP> prefer another name

Eric Prud'hommeaux: prefer another name

14:41:19 <deiu> +1 ericP

Andrei Sambra: +1 ericP

14:42:01 <ericP> does anyone here know if Atom has something to offer?

Eric Prud'hommeaux: does anyone here know if Atom has something to offer?

14:42:12 <SteveS> +1 a better name

Steve Speicher: +1 a better name

14:42:20 <nmihindu> Arnaud: paging is worth keeping, we shouldn't ditch it because of the naming

Arnaud Le Hors: paging is worth keeping, we shouldn't ditch it because of the naming

14:42:29 <sandro> Maybe "Subset page resource" or "In-Sequence page resource"

Sandro Hawke: Maybe "Subset page resource" or "In-Sequence page resource"

14:42:31 <bblfish> multi page resource

Henry Story: multi page resource

14:42:33 <SteveS> I see better options on the wiki page

Steve Speicher: I see better options on the wiki page

14:42:39 <codyburleson> One page in a sequence can also be called a "pagination".

Cody Burleson: One page in a sequence can also be called a "pagination".

14:43:15 <nmihindu> Arnaud: paging resource ?

Arnaud Le Hors: paging resource ?

14:43:34 <pchampin> I think I like "in-sequence page resource"

Pierre-Antoine Champin: I think I like "in-sequence page resource"

14:43:43 <deiu> me too

Andrei Sambra: me too

14:43:55 <codyburleson> ORIGIN mid 19th cent.: noun of action from paginate,

Cody Burleson: ORIGIN mid 19th cent.: noun of action from paginate,

14:44:05 <nmihindu> sandro: in-sequence resource might be the better option

Sandro Hawke: in-sequence resource might be the better option

14:44:36 <sandro> PROPOSED: replace "Single Page Resource" with "In-Sequence Page Resource", which is still loosely "page"

PROPOSED: replace "Single Page Resource" with "In-Sequence Page Resource", which is still loosely "page"

14:44:43 <SteveS> maybe “Page resource” is an ordered subset and “Superset resource” is the thiing that is being paged

Steve Speicher: maybe “Page resource” is an ordered subset and “Superset resource” is the thiing that is being paged

14:45:34 <nmihindu> bblfish: I think squence is better than set

Henry Story: I think squence is better than set

14:46:08 <Ashok> o

Ashok Malhotra: o

14:46:32 <sandro> +1 best we've got

Sandro Hawke: +1 best we've got

14:46:39 <codyburleson> +1 (I think it's better. Klugy maybe. But better)

Cody Burleson: +1 (I think it's better. Klugy maybe. But better)

14:46:41 <SteveS> I don’t think the proposal fixes much but not sure I care that much

Steve Speicher: I don’t think the proposal fixes much but not sure I care that much

14:46:46 <nmihindu> 0

0

14:46:55 <deiu> +1

Andrei Sambra: +1

14:47:09 <pchampin> +1

Pierre-Antoine Champin: +1

14:47:10 <SteveS> -1+1=0

Steve Speicher: -1+1=0

14:47:31 <sandro> RESOLVED: replace "Single Page Resource" with "In-Sequence Page Resource", which is still loosely "page"

RESOLVED: replace "Single Page Resource" with "In-Sequence Page Resource", which is still loosely "page"

14:47:35 <nmihindu> bblfish: what is the meaning of  "In-Sequence"

Henry Story: what is the meaning of "In-Sequence"

14:47:53 <nmihindu> sandro: basically resources with previous/next links

Sandro Hawke: basically resources with previous/next links

14:48:43 <nmihindu> Arnaud: we will send the Paging spec soon for LC, it is better to review in the coming week

Arnaud Le Hors: we will send the Paging spec soon for LC, it is better to review in the coming week

14:49:06 <nmihindu> sandro: better review it for the technical content, there might be more editorial changes

Sandro Hawke: better review it for the technical content, there might be more editorial changes

14:49:40 <nmihindu> Arnaud: any news on the extension for the working group ?

Arnaud Le Hors: any news on the extension for the working group ?

14:49:52 <nmihindu> sandro: yes, we got it.

Sandro Hawke: yes, we got it.

14:50:00 <nmihindu> Topic: Status update

4. Status update

14:50:10 <nmihindu> subtopic: Primer

4.1. Primer

14:50:26 <nmihindu> Arnaud: FPWD is published

Arnaud Le Hors: FPWD is published

14:50:34 <nmihindu> subtopic: LDP spec

4.2. LDP spec

14:50:53 <nmihindu> SteveS published an implementation report

SteveS published an implementation report

14:51:17 <nmihindu> subTopic: Test Suite

4.3. Test Suite

14:51:55 <nmihindu> there are several new tests have been proposed

there are several new tests have been proposed

14:52:07 <nmihindu> we need at least one more member from the WG to get them approved

we need at least one more member from the WG to get them approved

14:52:08 <codyburleson> We're using the test suite.

Cody Burleson: We're using the test suite.

14:52:18 <codyburleson> But only just got started with it.

Cody Burleson: But only just got started with it.

14:52:44 <nmihindu> we are using the test suite on LDP4j and will submit the implementation report in coming weeeks

we are using the test suite on LDP4j and will submit the implementation report in coming weeeks

14:53:10 <SteveS> There are no other testsuite updates pending, other than that unimplemented test cases I highlighted in email

Steve Speicher: There are no other testsuite updates pending, other than that unimplemented test cases I highlighted in email

14:53:27 <nmihindu> subtopic: Access Control

4.4. Access Control

14:53:40 <nmihindu> Arnaud: any news from TallTed ?

Arnaud Le Hors: any news from TallTed ?

14:54:19 <nmihindu> Ashok: TallTed has added some content but I am not sure whether he is finished

Ashok Malhotra: TallTed has added some content but I am not sure whether he is finished

14:54:55 <nmihindu> bblfish: is it ReSpeced in the repo yet?

Henry Story: is it ReSpeced in the repo yet?

14:55:17 <nmihindu> Arnaud: we have been waiting for TallTed to finish to do that

Arnaud Le Hors: we have been waiting for TallTed to finish to do that

14:56:03 <Ashok> Henry, what's the helpful tool?

Ashok Malhotra: Henry, what's the helpful tool?

14:56:36 <nmihindu> Arnaud: shall we move forward without the review?

Arnaud Le Hors: shall we move forward without the review?

14:57:03 <nmihindu> sandro: we can wait for 2 days

Sandro Hawke: we can wait for 2 days

14:57:16 <bblfish> makes sense

Henry Story: makes sense

14:57:57 <bblfish> https://www.atlassian.com/software/sourcetree/overview

Henry Story: https://www.atlassian.com/software/sourcetree/overview

14:58:47 <nmihindu> Arnaud: Ashok please remind TallTed about the review

Arnaud Le Hors: Ashok please remind TallTed about the review

14:59:13 <nmihindu> subtopic: Best Practices & Guidelines

4.5. Best Practices & Guidelines

14:59:39 <nmihindu> Arnaud: what is the status of the canonical URL issue ?

Arnaud Le Hors: what is the status of the canonical URL issue ?

15:00:36 <nmihindu> codyburleson: I was expecting to get the WG opinion but the discussions didn't go anywhere

Cody Burleson: I was expecting to get the WG opinion but the discussions didn't go anywhere

15:00:57 <bblfish> I saw the thread but did not read the whole of it.

Henry Story: I saw the thread but did not read nearly any of it.

15:01:14 <nmihindu> Arnaud: we agreed to drop the term last week, shall we drop it and move forward ?

Arnaud Le Hors: we agreed to drop the term last week, shall we drop it and move forward ?

15:01:17 <bblfish> s/the whole of it/nearly any of it/
15:01:23 <bblfish> (was travelling)

Henry Story: (was travelling)

15:01:48 <nmihindu> Arnaud: I suggest to use primary and move forward

Arnaud Le Hors: I suggest to use primary and move forward

15:02:03 <deiu> Bye bye

Andrei Sambra: Bye bye

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15:35:03 <Zakim> Attendees were codyburleson, nmihindu, Arnaud, Ashok_Malhotra, bblfish, deiu, Sandro, ericP, pchampin

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