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13:59:11 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be LDP
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13:59:11 <Zakim> ok, trackbot, I see SW_LDP()10:00AM already started
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13:59:12 <trackbot> Meeting: Linked Data Platform (LDP) Working Group Teleconference
13:59:12 <trackbot> Date: 23 June 2014
13:59:57 <Zakim> +Arnaud
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14:01:23 <Zakim> +[IBM]
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14:01:34 <SteveS> Zakim, [IBM] is me
Steve Speicher: Zakim, [IBM] is me ←
14:01:34 <Zakim> +SteveS; got it
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14:02:31 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
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14:02:45 <codyburleson> Zakim, IPcaller is me
Cody Burleson: Zakim, IPcaller is me ←
14:02:45 <Zakim> +codyburleson; got it
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14:03:11 <Zakim> +TimBL
Zakim IRC Bot: +TimBL ←
14:03:15 <nmihindu> Zakim, what is the conference code?
Nandana Mihindukulasooriya: Zakim, what is the conference code? ←
14:03:15 <Zakim> the conference code is 53794 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), nmihindu
Zakim IRC Bot: the conference code is 53794 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), nmihindu ←
14:03:29 <Zakim> +Sandro
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14:03:29 <deiu_> Zakim, who is on the phone
Andrei Sambra: Zakim, who is on the phone ←
14:03:30 <Zakim> I don't understand 'who is on the phone', deiu_
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14:03:31 <deiu_> Zakim, who is on the phone?
Andrei Sambra: Zakim, who is on the phone? ←
14:03:31 <Zakim> On the phone I see ericP, Arnaud, SteveS, codyburleson, TimBL, Sandro
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see ericP, Arnaud, SteveS, codyburleson, TimBL, Sandro ←
14:03:45 <deiu_> Zakim, TimBL is temporarily me
Andrei Sambra: Zakim, TimBL is temporarily me ←
14:03:45 <Zakim> +deiu_; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +deiu_; got it ←
14:03:47 <Zakim> +Ashok_Malhotra
Zakim IRC Bot: +Ashok_Malhotra ←
14:04:57 <sandro> ping
Sandro Hawke: ping ←
14:07:32 <deiu_> scribenick: deiu
(Scribe set to Andrei Sambra)
14:07:37 <deiu_> scribenick: deiu_
<deiu_> chair: Arnaud
<deiu_> agenda: https://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/wiki/Meetings:Telecon2014.06.23
14:07:48 <deiu_> Topic: Admin
<deiu_> http://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/ldp/2014-06-16
http://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/ldp/2014-06-16 ←
14:07:55 <nmihindu> I am willing to scribe and trying to connect. I still can't and it says the conference code in invalid. did anyone connect through VoIP ?
Nandana Mihindukulasooriya: I am willing to scribe and trying to connect. I still can't and it says the conference code in invalid. did anyone connect through VoIP ? ←
14:07:59 <deiu_> Arnaud: there was one important resolution (publishing Primer)
Arnaud Le Hors: there was one important resolution (publishing Primer) ←
14:08:45 <Arnaud> yes, some people are calling through skype
Arnaud Le Hors: yes, some people are calling through skype ←
14:09:09 <deiu_> Resolution: Minutes of 16 June 2014 approved
RESOLVED: Minutes of 16 June 2014 approved ←
14:09:09 <nmihindu> Arnaud, using sip:zakim@voip.w3.org ?
Nandana Mihindukulasooriya: Arnaud, using sip:zakim@voip.w3.org ? ←
14:09:30 <deiu_> Arnaud: there is a holiday next week, which means some people won't be able to attend
Arnaud Le Hors: there is a holiday next week, which means some people won't be able to attend ←
14:09:40 <codyburleson> I'll be out for July4th
Cody Burleson: I'll be out for July4th ←
14:09:44 <deiu_> ... we might have to skip the call
... we might have to skip the call ←
14:10:59 <sandro> June 30 and July 7
Sandro Hawke: June 30 and July 7 ←
14:11:00 <deiu_> ... it looks like we're going to have the meeting next week
... it looks like we're going to have the meeting next week ←
14:11:12 <deiu_> Topic: Tracking of actions and issues
14:11:26 <deiu_> Arnaud: are there any open actions people want to claim victory for?
Arnaud Le Hors: are there any open actions people want to claim victory for? ←
14:11:49 <sandro> nmihindu, the problem is probably in the way your SIP client does DTMF to enter the conference code. Maybe there are some settings in your SIP client.
Sandro Hawke: nmihindu, the problem is probably in the way your SIP client does DTMF to enter the conference code. Maybe there are some settings in your SIP client. ←
14:11:53 <deiu_> ... people not here today to report
... people not here today to report ←
14:12:08 <sandro> nmihindu, like, does it let you send longer tones, etc.
Sandro Hawke: nmihindu, like, does it let you send longer tones, etc. ←
14:12:22 <deiu_> codyburleson: I was a bit busy last week
Cody Burleson: I was a bit busy last week ←
14:12:39 <deiu_> ... there are two topics for inclusion in the BP&G
... there are two topics for inclusion in the BP&G ←
14:13:02 <deiu_> Arnaud: we'll get back to that during the status update
Arnaud Le Hors: we'll get back to that during the status update ←
<deiu_> topic: Status
<deiu_> subtopic: LDP Spec
14:13:14 <deiu_> Arnaud: moving on, congrats and thank you all for moving to CR
Arnaud Le Hors: moving on, congrats and thank you all for moving to CR ←
14:13:36 <deiu_> ... the exit criteria for CR is to have two independent implementations
... the exit criteria for CR is to have two independent implementations ←
14:13:59 <deiu_> ... people have to rest and report so that the sooner we meet the exit criteria, the sooner we move to PR
... people have to rest and report so that the sooner we meet the exit criteria, the sooner we move to PR ←
<deiu_> subtopic: Test suite
14:14:33 <deiu_> SteveS: there are some new tests
Steve Speicher: there are some new tests ←
14:14:42 <nmihindu> sandro, I faced a problem with DTMF mode earlier but it used to work when I set it to RFC2833. But it doesn't work now.
Nandana Mihindukulasooriya: sandro, I faced a problem with DTMF mode earlier but it used to work when I set it to RFC2833. But it doesn't work now. ←
14:14:50 <deiu_> ... I sent an email with them for people to take a look at
... I sent an email with them for people to take a look at ←
14:15:10 <deiu_> ... we have currently 55 approved tests, so 9 more would be good
... we have currently 55 approved tests, so 9 more would be good ←
14:15:27 <deiu_> Arnaud: are these new tests covering new stuff?
Arnaud Le Hors: are these new tests covering new stuff? ←
14:15:48 <deiu_> SteveS: we tried to identify all the tests that are valid but were not implemented yet
Steve Speicher: we tried to identify all the tests that are valid but were not implemented yet ←
14:16:24 <deiu_> ... we added some tests to handle Prefer header
... we added some tests to handle Prefer header ←
14:16:25 <Zakim> +??P3
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14:16:36 <deiu_> Zakim, mute ??P3
Zakim, mute ??P3 ←
14:16:36 <Zakim> ??P3 should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: ??P3 should now be muted ←
14:16:41 <nmihindu> Zakim, ??P3 is me
Nandana Mihindukulasooriya: Zakim, ??P3 is me ←
14:16:41 <Zakim> +nmihindu; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +nmihindu; got it ←
14:16:45 <nmihindu> Zakim, mute me
Nandana Mihindukulasooriya: Zakim, mute me ←
14:16:45 <Zakim> nmihindu was already muted, nmihindu
Zakim IRC Bot: nmihindu was already muted, nmihindu ←
14:16:58 <sandro> nmihindu, your audio was just super-loud noise
Sandro Hawke: nmihindu, your audio was just super-loud noise ←
14:17:00 <deiu_> SteveS: the other tests cover the Slug header
Steve Speicher: the other tests cover the Slug header ←
14:17:37 <deiu_> Arnaud: any comments?
Arnaud Le Hors: any comments? ←
14:18:17 <nmihindu> yes, we are trying the tests with LDP4j
Nandana Mihindukulasooriya: yes, we are trying the tests with LDP4j ←
14:18:39 <deiu_> Arnaud: so..what is the process we have to go through to approve the tests? [following sandro's question]
Arnaud Le Hors: so..what is the process we have to go through to approve the tests? [following sandro's question] ←
14:18:57 <deiu_> codyburleson: it would be best to call them approved by default and change that later if someone finds an issue
Cody Burleson: it would be best to call them approved by default and change that later if someone finds an issue ←
14:18:59 <SteveS> I believe Marmotta is using them as well
Steve Speicher: I believe Marmotta is using them as well ←
14:19:01 <deiu_> sandro: why?
Sandro Hawke: why? ←
14:19:44 <deiu_> codyburleson: we start from the spec and assume the test is valid, and then people can check them to see if they have any issues
Cody Burleson: we start from the spec and assume the test is valid, and then people can check them to see if they have any issues ←
14:20:10 <Zakim> +??P6
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P6 ←
14:20:13 <deiu_> SteveS: I guess the question is, would anyone review them in detail?
Steve Speicher: I guess the question is, would anyone review them in detail? ←
14:20:50 <deiu_> Arnaud: if there are two people reporting the tests have worked, then it should be fine
Arnaud Le Hors: if there are two people reporting the tests have worked, then it should be fine ←
14:21:22 <deiu_> sandro: do we have tests results reporting? can I see a page with results?
Sandro Hawke: do we have tests results reporting? can I see a page with results? ←
14:21:32 <deiu_> SteveS: people are running the tests and contributing feedback
Steve Speicher: people are running the tests and contributing feedback ←
14:21:32 <nmihindu> yes, Raul and Fernando are reviewing the implemented tests against the Test Case document that prepared
Nandana Mihindukulasooriya: yes, Raul and Fernando are reviewing the implemented tests against the Test Case document that prepared ←
14:21:56 <nmihindu> and also running those tests against LDP4j implementation
Nandana Mihindukulasooriya: and also running those tests against LDP4j implementation ←
14:22:15 <deiu_> SteveS: I created the tests following the style from Turtle
Steve Speicher: I created the tests following the style from Turtle ←
14:23:43 <deiu_> Arnaud: I agree with sandro in general and not do things too casually
Arnaud Le Hors: I agree with sandro in general and not do things too casually ←
14:24:06 <deiu_> ... where there are new tests being added, we need two parties looking at them and providing feedback
... where there are new tests being added, we need two parties looking at them and providing feedback ←
14:24:38 <deiu_> ... if we have two people saying they should be approved, then we have sufficient reason to approve them
... if we have two people saying they should be approved, then we have sufficient reason to approve them ←
14:25:13 <deiu_> SteveS: I've been rejecting some pull requests to ask people to rework the tests
Steve Speicher: I've been rejecting some pull requests to ask people to rework the tests ←
14:25:30 <Ashok> q+
Ashok Malhotra: q+ ←
14:25:32 <Arnaud> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ldp-wg/2014Jun/0055.html
Arnaud Le Hors: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ldp-wg/2014Jun/0055.html ←
14:25:36 <deiu_> ... the tests we added have been reviewed by at least one one us (SteveS or Sergio)
... the tests we added have been reviewed by at least one one us (SteveS or Sergio) ←
14:26:09 <deiu_> sandro: there isn't a proposed status for tests?
Sandro Hawke: there isn't a proposed status for tests? ←
14:26:14 <deiu_> SteveS: yes there is
Steve Speicher: yes there is ←
14:26:33 <SteveS> http://w3c.github.io/ldp-testsuite/report/ldp-testsuite-coverage-report.html
Steve Speicher: http://w3c.github.io/ldp-testsuite/report/ldp-testsuite-coverage-report.html ←
14:26:40 <deiu_> SteveS: I will have to receive implementation reports
Steve Speicher: I will have to receive implementation reports ←
14:26:50 <SteveS> http://w3c.github.io/ldp-testsuite/report/ldp-testsuite-coverage-report.html#tobeapproved
Steve Speicher: http://w3c.github.io/ldp-testsuite/report/ldp-testsuite-coverage-report.html#tobeapproved ←
14:26:58 <deiu_> Arnaud: if anybody on the call agrees to approve them, we can approve them
Arnaud Le Hors: if anybody on the call agrees to approve them, we can approve them ←
14:27:26 <deiu_> sandro: if the proposed tests are green, you can approve them
Sandro Hawke: if the proposed tests are green, you can approve them ←
14:27:50 <Arnaud> ack Ashok
Arnaud Le Hors: ack Ashok ←
14:28:01 <deiu_> SteveS: well, what if your implementation doesn't support that test?
Steve Speicher: well, what if your implementation doesn't support that test? ←
14:28:24 <deiu_> Ashok: Oasis wants every text to use rdf211
Ashok Malhotra: Oasis wants every text to use rdf211 ←
14:29:05 <deiu_> ... once you got those statements, then you can quickly figure out if all the statements have behaviors that are specified in the tests
... once you got those statements, then you can quickly figure out if all the statements have behaviors that are specified in the tests ←
14:29:32 <deiu_> Arnaud: this is orthogonal; if somebody comes up with a new test, how do you validate it?
Arnaud Le Hors: this is orthogonal; if somebody comes up with a new test, how do you validate it? ←
14:30:12 <deiu_> SteveS: we categorize the tests by MUST, SHOULD, MAY
Steve Speicher: we categorize the tests by MUST, SHOULD, MAY ←
14:30:53 <deiu_> Arnaud: we're trying to avoid people misinterpreting a bad test, while running them against a good implementation
Arnaud Le Hors: we're trying to avoid people misinterpreting a bad test, while running them against a good implementation ←
14:31:55 <deiu_> ... sandro is saying that if at least two people pass the tests, then it's a good indication of a working (ok) test
... sandro is saying that if at least two people pass the tests, then it's a good indication of a working (ok) test ←
14:32:09 <deiu_> sandro: I would hope the test report distinguishes MUSTs from SHOULDs
Sandro Hawke: I would hope the test report distinguishes MUSTs from SHOULDs ←
14:32:16 <deiu_> SteveS: yes, that's how it works
Steve Speicher: yes, that's how it works ←
14:33:22 <deiu_> ... you can run different types of tests depending on how much your implementation supports (e.g. basic containers, indirect, etc.)
... you can run different types of tests depending on how much your implementation supports (e.g. basic containers, indirect, etc.) ←
14:33:27 <deiu_> Arnaud: let's leave it like that for today
Arnaud Le Hors: let's leave it like that for today ←
14:33:33 <deiu_> subTopic: ACLs
14:33:41 <deiu_> Arnaud: Ted is not on...
Arnaud Le Hors: Ted is not on... ←
14:33:52 <deiu_> ... Ashok, is there any progress?
... Ashok, is there any progress? ←
14:34:24 <deiu_> Ashok: still waiting for feedback; once I get it, I'll update the docs in mercurial
Ashok Malhotra: still waiting for feedback; once I get it, I'll update the docs in mercurial ←
14:34:35 <deiu_> Arnaud: hopefully that will happen soon
Arnaud Le Hors: hopefully that will happen soon ←
14:34:51 <deiu_> subTopic: BP&G
14:35:00 <deiu_> Arnaud: codyburleson, you said there are two problems
Arnaud Le Hors: codyburleson, you said there are two problems ←
14:35:21 <deiu_> codyburleson: yes, the first one was about Issue-62
Cody Burleson: yes, the first one was about ISSUE-62 ←
14:35:24 <codyburleson> A while back I raised issue 62, and we decided that we could place some text in the Primer or Best Practices as a result. Now, I'm not trying to avoid extra work for the primer (honestly!) but, I think this would be good content for the BP&G document, into the Guidelines section.
Cody Burleson: A while back I raised ISSUE-62, and we decided that we could place some text in the Primer or Best Practices as a result. Now, I'm not trying to avoid extra work for the primer (honestly!) but, I think this would be good content for the BP&G document, into the Guidelines section. ←
14:35:24 <codyburleson>
14:35:24 <codyburleson> http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/track/issues/62
Cody Burleson: http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/track/issues/62 ←
14:35:24 <codyburleson> http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/track/actions/83
Cody Burleson: http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/track/actions/83 ←
14:35:25 <Zakim> -??P6
Zakim IRC Bot: -??P6 ←
14:35:44 <deiu_> codyburleson: I wasn't 100% sure what it was saying
Cody Burleson: I wasn't 100% sure what it was saying ←
14:36:03 <deiu_> ... there are these conversations going on about different topics and people want to put them in the BP
... there are these conversations going on about different topics and people want to put them in the BP ←
14:36:35 <deiu_> ... I'm trying to see what exactly we can use a BP material
... I'm trying to see what exactly we can use a BP material ←
14:37:11 <deiu_> ... it would help me if people would send suggestions in the form of BP&G statements
... it would help me if people would send suggestions in the form of BP&G statements ←
14:37:28 <Arnaud> https://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/ldp/2013-06-20#resolution_6
Arnaud Le Hors: https://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/ldp/2013-06-20#resolution_6 ←
14:37:43 <deiu_> ... I don't know when we have something that's worth adding, since most of the times email discussions sound more like questions than statements
... I don't know when we have something that's worth adding, since most of the times email discussions sound more like questions than statements ←
14:38:30 <deiu_> Arnaud: I can see how minutes text is not very helpful for the editors
Arnaud Le Hors: I can see how minutes text is not very helpful for the editors ←
14:39:22 <deiu_> codyburleson: it feels like we're bringing up points that do not turn into BP statements
Cody Burleson: it feels like we're bringing up points that do not turn into BP statements ←
14:39:58 <deiu_> ... the lesson I learned was that it was very helpful to revise the wiki documents
... the lesson I learned was that it was very helpful to revise the wiki documents ←
14:40:13 <sandro> PROPOSED: Best Practice for Container Creation is to POST a Container to another Container
PROPOSED: Best Practice for Container Creation is to POST a Container to another Container ←
14:40:36 <sandro> (with the right LINK header)
Sandro Hawke: (with the right LINK header) ←
14:40:51 <sandro> q+
Sandro Hawke: q+ ←
14:41:00 <Arnaud> ack sandro
Arnaud Le Hors: ack sandro ←
14:41:29 <deiu_> [people generally agree with sandro's proposal]
[people generally agree with sandro's proposal] ←
14:41:47 <deiu_> Ashok: how do you get started? do you have a home container?
Ashok Malhotra: how do you get started? do you have a home container? ←
14:41:50 <nmihindu> on the same topic, we have such example in the primer too.
Nandana Mihindukulasooriya: on the same topic, we have such example in the primer too. ←
14:42:12 <deiu_> Arnaud: that's generally true on the Web, you start from a URL
Arnaud Le Hors: that's generally true on the Web, you start from a URL ←
14:42:31 <deiu_> ... you get a URL from someone/somewhere
... you get a URL from someone/somewhere ←
14:43:45 <deiu_> codyburleson: so isn't that proposal just a feature? it seems to be just the definition
Cody Burleson: so isn't that proposal just a feature? it seems to be just the definition ←
14:44:12 <nmihindu> https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/ldpwg/raw-file/efdef81e2b95/ldp-primer/ldp-primer.html#meta-structure
Nandana Mihindukulasooriya: https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/ldpwg/raw-file/efdef81e2b95/ldp-primer/ldp-primer.html#meta-structure ←
14:44:27 <deiu_> Arnaud: let's drop this
Arnaud Le Hors: let's drop this ←
14:44:40 <deiu_> ... the other one was about the canonical URL?
... the other one was about the canonical URL? ←
14:44:52 <deiu_> codyburleson: yes, I got good feedback on that from John
Cody Burleson: yes, I got good feedback on that from John ←
14:45:25 <deiu_> Arnaud: let me restate the problem: in the spec there was the notion of a canonical URL, and this was part of the test that was moved to the BP&G document
Arnaud Le Hors: let me restate the problem: in the spec there was the notion of a canonical URL, and this was part of the test that was moved to the BP&G document ←
14:45:37 <deiu_> ... Henry wanted to add references
... Henry wanted to add references ←
14:45:57 <deiu_> ... we tried looking for references but we couldn't find any, so what do we do?
... we tried looking for references but we couldn't find any, so what do we do? ←
14:46:25 <deiu_> ... some servers may have several URLs for the same resource, but there must be at least one that should be used
... some servers may have several URLs for the same resource, but there must be at least one that should be used ←
14:46:52 <deiu_> ... there's also an issue about how to define it
... there's also an issue about how to define it ←
14:47:15 <deiu_> ... i.e. a URL that has http and https still points to the same resource
... i.e. a URL that has http and https still points to the same resource ←
14:47:48 <sandro> http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc6596 --
Sandro Hawke: http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc6596 -- ←
14:47:48 <sandro> The Canonical Link Relation
Sandro Hawke: The Canonical Link Relation ←
14:48:50 <codyburleson> https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/ldpwg/raw-file/default/ldp-bp/ldp-bp.html#respond-with-canonical-urls-and-use-them-for-identity-comparison
Cody Burleson: https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/ldpwg/raw-file/default/ldp-bp/ldp-bp.html#respond-with-canonical-urls-and-use-them-for-identity-comparison ←
14:49:26 <Arnaud> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ldp-wg/2014Jun/0032.html
Arnaud Le Hors: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ldp-wg/2014Jun/0032.html ←
14:49:53 <sandro> "first-among-equals"
Sandro Hawke: "first-among-equals" ←
14:50:28 <Arnaud> PROPOSED: drop the use of the term "canonical URL" from the text in the BPG
PROPOSED: drop the use of the term "canonical URL" from the text in the BPG ←
14:50:49 <sandro> "primary"
Sandro Hawke: "primary" ←
14:51:00 <sandro> "distinguished"
Sandro Hawke: "distinguished" ←
14:51:03 <SteveS> the URL the server publically advertises as the primary
Steve Speicher: the URL the server publically advertises as the primary ←
14:51:11 <deiu_> +1
+1 ←
14:51:13 <sandro> +1
Sandro Hawke: +1 ←
14:51:34 <SteveS> +1
Steve Speicher: +1 ←
14:51:37 <nmihindu> +1
Nandana Mihindukulasooriya: +1 ←
14:51:38 <codyburleson> +1
Cody Burleson: +1 ←
14:51:48 <Arnaud> RESOLVED: drop the use of the term "canonical URL" from the text in the BPG
RESOLVED: drop the use of the term "canonical URL" from the text in the BPG ←
14:52:02 <deiu_> Arnaud: please let me know when you're done editing
Arnaud Le Hors: please let me know when you're done editing ←
<deiu_> subTopic: Primer
14:52:33 <deiu_> Arnaud: we have agreed to publish the Primer
Arnaud Le Hors: we have agreed to publish the Primer ←
14:53:01 <deiu_> ... I failed to send the email andI so the request was sent on Friday and now I'm waiting for the OK
... I failed to send the email andI so the request was sent on Friday and now I'm waiting for the OK ←
14:53:13 <deiu_> ... we'll have to change the date on the document
... we'll have to change the date on the document ←
14:53:39 <deiu_> subTopic: Paging
14:53:52 <deiu_> Arnaud: sandro sent an email earlier
Arnaud Le Hors: sandro sent an email earlier ←
14:54:15 <deiu_> sandro: I have a problem with "single page resource"
Sandro Hawke: I have a problem with "single page resource" ←
14:54:31 <deiu_> ... I proposed a bunch of alternative names
... I proposed a bunch of alternative names ←
14:55:02 <deiu_> ... we'd be better off using the terms "segmented resource" or "chapter resource"
... we'd be better off using the terms "segmented resource" or "chapter resource" ←
14:55:09 <deiu_> Ashok: why doesn't "paged resource" work?
Ashok Malhotra: why doesn't "paged resource" work? ←
14:55:24 <deiu_> sandro: because that's the thing that is split
Sandro Hawke: because that's the thing that is split ←
14:55:42 <deiu_> Arnaud: we need to separate the two: the resource that is being paged, and the pages
Arnaud Le Hors: we need to separate the two: the resource that is being paged, and the pages ←
14:55:51 <SteveS> “sliced resource” ?
Steve Speicher: “sliced resource” ? ←
14:57:33 <deiu_> sandro: so should I add "segment" and "chapter" to the wiki page to allow people to vote?
Sandro Hawke: so should I add "segment" and "chapter" to the wiki page to allow people to vote? ←
14:57:41 <deiu_> Arnaud: yes
Arnaud Le Hors: yes ←
14:57:43 <Arnaud> http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/wiki/Names_in_Paging
Arnaud Le Hors: http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/wiki/Names_in_Paging ←
14:57:59 <deiu_> Arnaud: people should read the proposal and vote on it
Arnaud Le Hors: people should read the proposal and vote on it ←
14:58:06 <deiu_> ... so next week we can close this issue
... so next week we can close this issue ←
14:58:12 <deiu_> Ashok: are you going to edit the spec?
Ashok Malhotra: are you going to edit the spec? ←
14:58:22 <deiu_> sandro: not until we make a decision
Sandro Hawke: not until we make a decision ←
14:58:39 <deiu_> Ashok: what about your other ideas from the email?
Ashok Malhotra: what about your other ideas from the email? ←
14:58:43 <SteveS> partitioned resource and a partitions?, segment makes me think of URL segments
Steve Speicher: partitioned resource and a partition?, segment makes me think of URL segments ←
14:59:05 <deiu_> sandro: the other point was about what conformance means for paging
Sandro Hawke: the other point was about what conformance means for paging ←
14:59:43 <deiu_> sandro: there are 3 different types of servers
Sandro Hawke: there are 3 different types of servers ←
14:59:48 <SteveS> s/a partitions/a partition/
15:00:00 <sandro> sandro: I think, but not sure.
Sandro Hawke: I think, but not sure. [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ] ←
15:00:03 <deiu_> ... unfortunately we're out of time
... unfortunately we're out of time ←
15:00:44 <deiu_> Arnaud: I heard people talk about why we have the current model (server being in control)...
Arnaud Le Hors: I heard people talk about why we have the current model (server being in control)... ←
15:01:02 <deiu_> ... maybe we need to support both server and client controlled paging
... maybe we need to support both server and client controlled paging ←
15:01:25 <deiu_> sandro: we still need some sort of negotiation
Sandro Hawke: we still need some sort of negotiation ←
15:01:50 <deiu_> Arnaud: if anyone has a use-case, please let us know
Arnaud Le Hors: if anyone has a use-case, please let us know ←
15:01:58 <Zakim> -Ashok_Malhotra
Zakim IRC Bot: -Ashok_Malhotra ←
15:02:04 <deiu_> Meeting adjourned!
Meeting adjourned! ←
15:02:05 <Zakim> -SteveS
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15:02:07 <Zakim> -codyburleson
Zakim IRC Bot: -codyburleson ←
15:02:09 <Zakim> -Arnaud
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15:02:10 <Zakim> -ericP
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15:02:11 <Zakim> -deiu_
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15:02:12 <Zakim> -nmihindu
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15:02:21 <sandro> sandro: What we have, as shown in my analysis, is a kind of negotiation... Not perfect, but pretty good.
Sandro Hawke: What we have, as shown in my analysis, is a kind of negotiation... Not perfect, but pretty good. [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ] ←
15:02:24 <Zakim> -Sandro
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15:02:25 <Zakim> SW_LDP()10:00AM has ended
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15:02:25 <Zakim> Attendees were ericP, Arnaud, SteveS, codyburleson, Sandro, deiu_, Ashok_Malhotra, nmihindu
Zakim IRC Bot: Attendees were ericP, Arnaud, SteveS, codyburleson, Sandro, deiu_, Ashok_Malhotra, nmihindu ←
<deiu_> present: ericP, Arnaud, SteveS, codyburleson, Sandro, deiu_, Ashok_Malhotra, nmihindu
<deiu_> regrets: sergio, johnarwe, roger, pchampin
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