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Linked Data Platform (LDP) Working Group Teleconference

Minutes of 17 September 2012

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Antonis Loizou, Arnaud Le Hors, Ashok Malhotra, Bart van Leeuwen, Eric Prud'hommeaux, Erik Wilde, Henry Story, John Arwe, Kevin Page, Michael Hausenblas, Raúl García Castro, Richard Cyganiak, Ruben Verborgh, Sandro Hawke, Serena Villata, Steve Battle, Steve Speicher, Ted Thibodeau, Yves Lafon
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14:00:59 <RRSAgent> logging to http://www.w3.org/2012/09/17-ldp-irc

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14:01:01 <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs public

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14:01:03 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be LDP

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14:01:04 <Zakim> ok, trackbot, I see SW_LDP()10:00AM already started

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14:01:04 <trackbot> Meeting: Linked Data Platform (LDP) Working Group Teleconference
14:01:04 <trackbot> Date: 17 September 2012
14:01:07 <Zakim> +JohnArwe

Zakim IRC Bot: +JohnArwe

14:01:09 <Ruben> Zakim, who is here?

Ruben Verborgh: Zakim, who is here?

14:01:18 <Zakim> On the phone I see ??P6, dret, [IBM], +329331aaaa, ??P13, Arnaud, JohnArwe

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see ??P6, dret, [IBM], +329331aaaa, ??P13, Arnaud, JohnArwe

14:01:20 <Zakim> On IRC I see rgarcia, Zakim, RRSAgent, JohnArwe, svillata, Ashok_Malhotra, Ruben, krp, nmihindu, dret, ahaller2, kalpa, Arnaud, antonis, BartvanLeeuwen, betehess, SteveS,

Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see rgarcia, Zakim, RRSAgent, JohnArwe, svillata, Ashok_Malhotra, Ruben, krp, nmihindu, dret, ahaller2, kalpa, Arnaud, antonis, BartvanLeeuwen, betehess, SteveS,

14:01:25 <Zakim> ... stevebattle, oberger, bblfish, ericP, trackbot, Yves, sandro

Zakim IRC Bot: ... stevebattle, oberger, bblfish, ericP, trackbot, Yves, sandro

14:01:31 <Zakim> +Sandro

Zakim IRC Bot: +Sandro

14:01:33 <Ruben> Zakim, aaaa is me

Ruben Verborgh: Zakim, aaaa is me

14:01:41 <Zakim> +bblfish

Zakim IRC Bot: +bblfish

14:01:45 <Zakim> +Ruben; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +Ruben; got it

14:01:55 <SteveS> Zakim, [IBM] is me

Steve Speicher: Zakim, [IBM] is me

14:01:57 <Zakim> +SteveS; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +SteveS; got it

14:02:09 <Ruben> zakim, who's here?

Ruben Verborgh: zakim, who's here?

14:02:09 <Zakim> On the phone I see ??P6, dret, SteveS, Ruben, ??P13, Arnaud, JohnArwe, Sandro, bblfish

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see ??P6, dret, SteveS, Ruben, ??P13, Arnaud, JohnArwe, Sandro, bblfish

14:02:11 <Zakim> On IRC I see MacTed, rgarcia, Zakim, RRSAgent, JohnArwe, svillata, Ashok_Malhotra, Ruben, krp, nmihindu, dret, ahaller2, kalpa, Arnaud, antonis, BartvanLeeuwen, betehess, SteveS,

Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see MacTed, rgarcia, Zakim, RRSAgent, JohnArwe, svillata, Ashok_Malhotra, Ruben, krp, nmihindu, dret, ahaller2, kalpa, Arnaud, antonis, BartvanLeeuwen, betehess, SteveS,

14:02:14 <Zakim> ... stevebattle, oberger, bblfish, ericP, trackbot, Yves, sandro

Zakim IRC Bot: ... stevebattle, oberger, bblfish, ericP, trackbot, Yves, sandro

14:02:18 <Zakim> +Ashok_Malhotra

Zakim IRC Bot: +Ashok_Malhotra

14:02:20 <antonis> zakim, ??p6 is me

Antonis Loizou: zakim, ??p6 is me

14:02:24 <Zakim> +antonis; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +antonis; got it

14:02:29 <Zakim> +??P12

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P12

14:02:37 <BartvanLeeuwen> Zakim, ??p12 is me

Bart van Leeuwen: Zakim, ??p12 is me

14:02:37 <Zakim> +BartvanLeeuwen; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +BartvanLeeuwen; got it

14:02:38 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]

Zakim IRC Bot: +[IPcaller]

14:03:17 <Zakim> + +1.512.433.aabb

Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.512.433.aabb

14:03:38 <rgarcia> zakim, [IPcaller] is me

Raúl García Castro: zakim, [IPcaller] is me

14:03:38 <Zakim> +rgarcia; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +rgarcia; got it

14:03:45 <krp> zakim, ??P13 is me

Kevin Page: zakim, ??P13 is me

14:03:45 <Zakim> +krp; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +krp; got it

14:03:59 <Zakim> + +44.117.370.aacc

Zakim IRC Bot: + +44.117.370.aacc

14:04:22 <Zakim> +OpenLink_Software

Zakim IRC Bot: +OpenLink_Software

14:04:27 <MacTed> Zakim, OpenLink_Software is temporarily me

Ted Thibodeau: Zakim, OpenLink_Software is temporarily me

14:04:27 <Zakim> +MacTed; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +MacTed; got it

14:04:29 <MacTed> Zakim, mute me

Ted Thibodeau: Zakim, mute me

14:04:29 <Zakim> MacTed should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: MacTed should now be muted

14:04:40 <stevebattle> zakim, +44.117.370.aacc is me

Steve Battle: zakim, +44.117.370.aacc is me

14:04:40 <Zakim> +stevebattle; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +stevebattle; got it

14:04:51 <Ruben> Zakim, mute me

Ruben Verborgh: Zakim, mute me

14:04:51 <Zakim> Ruben should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: Ruben should now be muted

14:07:17 <bblfish> hi

Henry Story: hi

14:07:26 <Zakim> +??P27

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P27

14:07:43 <Zakim> +Yves

Zakim IRC Bot: +Yves

14:08:15 <Ruben> Zakim, who is noisy?

Ruben Verborgh: Zakim, who is noisy?

14:08:18 <svillata> Zackin, ??P27 is me

Serena Villata: Zackin, ??P27 is me

14:08:29 <Zakim> Ruben, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Sandro (5%), bblfish (4%), Arnaud (22%), ??P27 (8%)

Zakim IRC Bot: Ruben, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Sandro (5%), bblfish (4%), Arnaud (22%), ??P27 (8%)

14:08:41 <svillata> Zakin, ??P27 is me

Serena Villata: Zakin, ??P27 is me

14:08:56 <svillata> Zakim, ??P27 is me

Serena Villata: Zakim, ??P27 is me

14:08:56 <Zakim> +svillata; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +svillata; got it

14:10:33 <Zakim> +ericP

Zakim IRC Bot: +ericP

14:10:36 <JohnArwe> scribe: johnarwe

(Scribe set to John Arwe)

14:11:16 <JohnArwe> arnaud: approval of minutes from last week

Arnaud Le Hors: approval of minutes from last week

14:11:30 <SteveS> +1 on minutes from Sept 10

Steve Speicher: +1 on minutes from Sept 10

14:11:37 <JohnArwe> ...objections to approving as stated?

...objections to approving as stated?

14:11:46 <Yves> +1

Yves Lafon: +1

14:11:49 <JohnArwe> approved w/o objection

approved w/o objection

14:12:14 <bblfish> q+

Henry Story: q+

14:12:32 <JohnArwe> arnaud: update wiki page with F2F attendance/not

Arnaud Le Hors: update wiki page with F2F attendance/not

14:12:53 <bblfish> I added myself and paid.

Henry Story: I added myself and paid.

14:13:24 <bblfish> q-

Henry Story: q-

14:13:27 <JohnArwe> arnaud: room size based on registered attendees, so in our interest to pre-reg

Arnaud Le Hors: room size based on registered attendees, so in our interest to pre-reg

14:13:49 <JohnArwe> topic: action items

1. action items

14:14:22 <JohnArwe> arnaud: last week closed issue on serialization, created action on editors to draft as decided

Arnaud Le Hors: last week closed issue on serialization, created action on editors to draft as decided

14:14:32 <JohnArwe> ...no open issues.

...no open issues.

14:14:56 <JohnArwe> topic: sparql graph store protocol, overview by steve speicer

2. sparql graph store protocol, overview by steve speicher

14:15:11 <JohnArwe> s/speicer/speicher/
14:15:42 <Zakim> -ericP

Zakim IRC Bot: -ericP

14:16:05 <JohnArwe> steves: expose graph store via http protocol

Steve Speicher: expose graph store via http protocol

14:16:21 <JohnArwe> ... stated goals different

... stated goals different

14:16:26 <Zakim> +ericP

Zakim IRC Bot: +ericP

14:16:43 <JohnArwe> ... difficult to align if one starts from stated goals

... difficult to align if one starts from stated goals

14:17:28 <JohnArwe> ... OTOH, based on submission, possible that LDP impls could use graph stores as back end(s)

... OTOH, based on submission, possible that LDP impls could use graph stores as back end(s)

14:18:09 <Zakim> +mhausenblas

Zakim IRC Bot: +mhausenblas

14:18:28 <JohnArwe> ... GSP requires 1 of 3 formats if request omits Accept header.  LDP requires Turtle only, so gap.

... GSP requires 1 of 3 formats if request omits Accept header. LDP requires Turtle only, so gap.

14:18:30 <mhausenblas> Michael: Sorry for being late, prev meeting took longer than expected

Michael Hausenblas: Sorry for being late, prev meeting took longer than expected [ Scribe Assist by Michael Hausenblas ]

14:18:45 <bblfish> this I suppose http://www.w3.org/TR/sparql11-http-rdf-update/

Henry Story: this I suppose http://www.w3.org/TR/sparql11-http-rdf-update/

14:19:21 <JohnArwe> ... GSP wording of POST says it's a merge, LDP says it depends on the resource - BP resource = undefined, BP container = creating new resource and adding new resource's URI to the container

... GSP wording of POST says it's a merge, LDP says it depends on the resource - BP resource = undefined, BP container = creating new resource and adding new resource's URI to the container

14:20:19 <ericP> q+ if squinting would get us test-case compatibility

Eric Prud'hommeaux: q+ if squinting would get us test-case compatibility

14:20:23 <ericP> q+ to ask if squinting would get us test-case compatibility

Eric Prud'hommeaux: q+ to ask if squinting would get us test-case compatibility

14:20:30 <JohnArwe> ... POSTing to graph store URI = add new graph to graph store, at uri assigned by GS.  No definition of semantics of GET on GS URI.

... POSTing to graph store URI = add new graph to graph store, at uri assigned by GS. No definition of semantics of GET on GS URI.

14:20:56 <JohnArwe> ... "squinting" says some similarities at least.

... "squinting" says some similarities at least.

14:21:45 <JohnArwe> ericp: sparql WG issue - does saying that POST means append "force the hand" of implementations not claiming to be a GS.

Eric Prud'hommeaux: sparql WG issue - does saying that POST means append "force the hand" of implementations not claiming to be a GS.

14:23:55 <JohnArwe> ...e.g. append could be notional, whole bunch of triples show up (new membership in container, new resource) others change (last page != nil).  *Could* say that GSP applies to resources created (e.g. asset in submission ex), others LDBP containers, and GSP does not control what happens in LDBP containers.  Only way I can see claiming conformance to both in single impl.

...e.g. append could be notional, whole bunch of triples show up (new membership in container, new resource) others change (last page != nil). *Could* say that GSP applies to resources created (e.g. asset in submission ex), others LDBP containers, and GSP does not control what happens in LDBP containers. Only way I can see claiming conformance to both in single impl.

14:24:16 <Ashok_Malhotra> q+

Ashok Malhotra: q+

14:24:27 <Arnaud> ack ericp

Arnaud Le Hors: ack ericp

14:24:27 <Zakim> ericP, you wanted to ask if squinting would get us test-case compatibility

Zakim IRC Bot: ericP, you wanted to ask if squinting would get us test-case compatibility

14:24:42 <JohnArwe> who is speaking about sparql impl?

who is speaking about sparql impl?

14:24:43 <dret> q+

Erik Wilde: q+

14:24:49 <Arnaud> ack ashok

Arnaud Le Hors: ack ashok

14:25:33 <JohnArwe> ashok: should we be thinking about how to align them?

Ashok Malhotra: should we be thinking about how to align them?

14:25:47 <sandro> q?

Sandro Hawke: q?

14:25:53 <JohnArwe> ericp: could parameterize GSP, so there's an append type of resource

Eric Prud'hommeaux: could parameterize GSP, so there's an append type of resource

14:25:58 <sandro> q+ to talk about procedure

Sandro Hawke: q+ to talk about procedure

14:26:50 <JohnArwe> arnaud: GSP is in Last Call, what is sense from WG on whether it is likely to proceed vs WG being eager to make changes, [implication: as alignment might require]?

Arnaud Le Hors: GSP is in Last Call, what is sense from WG on whether it is likely to proceed vs WG being eager to make changes, [implication: as alignment might require]?

14:28:05 <Arnaud> ack dret

Arnaud Le Hors: ack dret

14:28:07 <JohnArwe> ericp: no time to waste, expect Rec by end of year.  WG added language to narrow scope down to SPARQL only, not general HTTP access to RDF.  If LDP WG thinks GSP is harmful to the Web, LDP would have to object.  Spec might well die if that happened.

Sandro Hawke: no time to waste, expect Rec by end of year. WG added language to narrow scope down to SPARQL only, not general HTTP access to RDF. If LDP WG thinks GSP is harmful to the Web, LDP would have to object. Spec might well die if that happened.

14:28:10 <sandro> q-

Sandro Hawke: q-

14:28:24 <ericP> s/ericp:/sandro:/
14:29:23 <ericP> q+ to talk about sparql service description

Eric Prud'hommeaux: q+ to talk about sparql service description

14:29:56 <JohnArwe> dret: any problem separating them cleanly from a rest perspective, so an implementation could offer one link for each protocol?  that the way to do it from REST perspective.  "Home" resource, "dispatch" with 1 link for GSP, 1 for LDP.

Erik Wilde: any problem separating them cleanly from a rest perspective, so an implementation could offer one link for each protocol? that the way to do it from REST perspective. "Home" resource, "dispatch" with 1 link for GSP, 1 for LDP.

14:29:57 <Arnaud> ack ericp

Arnaud Le Hors: ack ericp

14:29:57 <Zakim> ericP, you wanted to talk about sparql service description

Zakim IRC Bot: ericP, you wanted to talk about sparql service description

14:29:58 <bblfish> q+ on home page

Henry Story: q+ on home page

14:30:01 <JohnArwe> sandro: could work

Sandro Hawke: could work

14:30:13 <SteveS> q+

Steve Speicher: q+

14:31:11 <JohnArwe> ericp: service desc could differentiate the resources it owns/manages.  Not sure if I can say I have a GS if only some of its resources adhere to GSP.

Eric Prud'hommeaux: service desc could differentiate the resources it owns/manages. Not sure if I can say I have a GS if only some of its resources adhere to GSP.

14:31:11 <Arnaud> ack bblfish

Arnaud Le Hors: ack bblfish

14:31:11 <Zakim> bblfish, you wanted to comment on home page

Zakim IRC Bot: bblfish, you wanted to comment on home page

14:31:16 <cygri> zakim, i'm with mhausenblas

Richard Cyganiak: zakim, i'm with mhausenblas

14:31:16 <Zakim> +cygri; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +cygri; got it

14:31:28 <dret> general home document work: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-nottingham-json-home/ (probably will be extended to cover XML as well)

Erik Wilde: general home document work: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-nottingham-json-home/ (probably will be extended to cover XML as well)

14:32:37 <Zakim> - +1.512.433.aabb

Zakim IRC Bot: - +1.512.433.aabb

14:32:40 <JohnArwe> bblfish: (henry story) home page work reminds one of atom's service page discussion, resource should describe itself.

Henry Story: (henry story) home page work reminds one of atom's service page discussion, resource should describe itself.

14:33:01 <JohnArwe> sandro: that is how sparql serv desc works, but that only applies to sparql endpt not to member resources

Sandro Hawke: that is how sparql serv desc works, but that only applies to sparql endpt not to member resources

14:33:15 <JohnArwe> henry: link header for metadata?

Henry Story: link header for metadata?

14:33:50 <dret> Atom(Pub) can use 'service' links so that any interaction with a Atom feed or entry can link to the AtomPub service document.

Erik Wilde: Atom(Pub) can use 'service' links so that any interaction with a Atom feed or entry can link to the AtomPub service document.

14:33:52 <Arnaud> ack steves

Arnaud Le Hors: ack steves

14:34:11 <JohnArwe> sandro: would work, no one mandating it tho.  sparql WG chose not to define that, they wanted something simple and this aspect was an add-on they had little experience with, not core to their work.

Sandro Hawke: would work, no one mandating it tho. sparql WG chose not to define that, they wanted something simple and this aspect was an add-on they had little experience with, not core to their work.

14:35:03 <dret> resources could link to both service documents, if they are served by a container implementing two access models. clients then could choose which one to follow.

Erik Wilde: resources could link to both service documents, if they are served by a container implementing two access models. clients then could choose which one to follow.

14:36:53 <sandro> technical solution could just be providing RDF type information for the resource, using an HTTP Link header with an rdf:type property.

Sandro Hawke: technical solution could just be providing RDF type information for the resource, using an HTTP Link header with an rdf:type property.

14:36:55 <JohnArwe> steves: LDP container proposal was one of several.  did discuss link header(s) too, open if we wanted to change it.  not sure what it would look like if mixed with GSP.  Could highlight as indep way to access same resources, could define a mapping from LDP to GSP, could make some changes in LDP spec to improve alignment, perhaps recommend how POST works if an impl wants to offer both protocols.

Steve Speicher: LDP container proposal was one of several. did discuss link header(s) too, open if we wanted to change it. not sure what it would look like if mixed with GSP. Could highlight as indep way to access same resources, could define a mapping from LDP to GSP, could make some changes in LDP spec to improve alignment, perhaps recommend how POST works if an impl wants to offer both protocols.

14:37:20 <JohnArwe> sandro: this WG could suggest they add headers/whatever, w/in LDP's scope

Sandro Hawke: this WG could suggest they add headers/whatever, w/in LDP's scope

14:37:46 <JohnArwe> arnaud: any opinions on whether or not LDP should make any comments on GSP?

Arnaud Le Hors: any opinions on whether or not LDP should make any comments on GSP?

14:38:14 <sandro> AndyS, you here?

Sandro Hawke: AndyS, you here?

14:38:15 <bblfish> perhaps we should leave this issue open. I need to look at it more carefully myself ot understand the issue

Henry Story: perhaps we should leave this issue open. I need to look at it more carefully myself to understand the issue

14:38:42 <JohnArwe> sandro: no strong need to hold GSP up

Sandro Hawke: no strong need to hold GSP up

14:38:52 <JohnArwe> ...others might see such a need, if so should speak up

...others might see such a need, if so should speak up

14:39:02 <Zakim> -ericP

Zakim IRC Bot: -ericP

14:39:03 <JohnArwe> steves: no reason to hold them up

Steve Speicher: no reason to hold them up

14:39:16 <bblfish> perhaps just put a summary on the wiki

Henry Story: perhaps just put a summary on the wiki

14:39:19 <bblfish> so we can refer to it

Henry Story: so we can refer to it

14:39:31 <Zakim> +ericP

Zakim IRC Bot: +ericP

14:39:34 <JohnArwe> arnaud: thanks steve for investigating.  fulfilled your part.

Arnaud Le Hors: thanks steve for investigating. fulfilled your part.

14:40:26 <JohnArwe> s/ ot / to /
14:40:57 <JohnArwe> action: arnaud to add topic on wiki on LDP vs GSP on home page

ACTION: arnaud to add topic on wiki on LDP vs GSP on home page

14:40:57 <trackbot> Created ACTION-13 - Add topic on wiki on LDP vs GSP on home page [on Arnaud Le Hors - due 2012-09-24].

Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-13 - Add topic on wiki on LDP vs GSP on home page [on Arnaud Le Hors - due 2012-09-24].

14:41:06 <bblfish> wow ACTION 13 :-)

Henry Story: wow ACTION-13 :-)

14:41:22 <JohnArwe> * touch typists are dangerous ;-)

* touch typists are dangerous ;-)

14:41:47 <JohnArwe> trackbot, close action-4

trackbot, close ACTION-4

14:41:47 <trackbot> ACTION-4 Review SPARQL Graph Store Protocol and suggest how we should move forward with it closed

Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-4 Review SPARQL Graph Store Protocol and suggest how we should move forward with it closed

14:42:11 <JohnArwe> bblfish: consent to close action, can always re-open later if new material comes up

Henry Story: consent to close action, can always re-open later if new material comes up

14:42:32 <JohnArwe> topic: use case document

3. use case document

14:42:59 <JohnArwe> mike and ram working on document

mike and ram working on document

14:43:05 <JohnArwe> topic: spec draft

4. spec draft

14:43:36 <JohnArwe> steves: working on tool setup, pretty much done.  will not make any changes aside from things required to fit it into the template.

Steve Speicher: working on tool setup, pretty much done. will not make any changes aside from things required to fit it into the template.

14:43:57 <JohnArwe> arnaud: you reviewed timeline, ok with it?

Arnaud Le Hors: you reviewed timeline, ok with it?

14:44:00 <JohnArwe> steves: y

Steve Speicher: y

14:44:14 <JohnArwe> topic: WG time line

5. WG time line

14:45:46 <mhausenblas> +1 to the timeline

Michael Hausenblas: +1 to the timeline

14:45:47 <dret> i will add it to the wiki

Erik Wilde: i will add it to the wiki

14:45:53 <JohnArwe> arnaud: chairs took action last time to create time line, went through the right to left schedule exercise, posted.

Arnaud Le Hors: chairs took action last time to create time line, went through the right to left schedule exercise, posted.

14:45:59 <JohnArwe> http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/wiki/Main_Page#Timeline

http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/wiki/Main_Page#Timeline

14:46:19 <dret> give me a minute, i'll update it now that we have approved it

Erik Wilde: give me a minute, i'll update it now that we have approved it

14:46:19 <JohnArwe> need to update that link

need to update that link

14:46:54 <JohnArwe> steves: tracker is not linking in email activity, e.g. on 11 I do not see discussion threads.  is that a setup problem?

Steve Speicher: tracker is not linking in email activity, e.g. on 11 I do not see discussion threads. is that a setup problem?

14:48:10 <JohnArwe> trackbot, close action-11

trackbot, close ACTION-11

14:48:10 <trackbot> ACTION-11 Define a timeline for working on the editor's draft and the FPWD (chairs action, i.e. Arnaud and dret) closed

Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-11 Define a timeline for working on the editor's draft and the FPWD (chairs action, i.e. Arnaud and dret) closed

14:48:53 <JohnArwe> action on yves to Look at tracker config to ensure when an issue is mentioned in an email that the action is updated with the email thread.

action on yves to Look at tracker config to ensure when an issue is mentioned in an email that the action is updated with the email thread.

14:48:53 <trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - on

Trackbot IRC Bot: Sorry, couldn't find user - on

14:49:08 <JohnArwe> action yves to Look at tracker config to ensure when an issue is mentioned in an email that the action is updated with the email thread.

action yves to Look at tracker config to ensure when an issue is mentioned in an email that the action is updated with the email thread.

14:49:13 <trackbot> Created ACTION-14 - Look at tracker config to ensure when an issue is mentioned in an email that the action is updated with the email thread. [on Yves Lafon - due 2012-09-24].

Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-14 - Look at tracker config to ensure when an issue is mentioned in an email that the action is updated with the email thread. [on Yves Lafon - due 2012-09-24].

14:49:51 <Arnaud> q?

Arnaud Le Hors: q?

14:50:16 <JohnArwe> topic: back to use cases and requirements document

6. back to use cases and requirements document

14:50:43 <JohnArwe> arnaud: steve battle on today; WG looked at content as of last week, liked direction

Arnaud Le Hors: steve battle on today; WG looked at content as of last week, liked direction

14:51:20 <bblfish> do we have a link?

Henry Story: do we have a link?

14:51:46 <JohnArwe> battle: got some feedback from steves, working on terminology consistency, took first user story (social contact infor), extracted use case (GET), raised some issues

Steve Battle: got some feedback from steves, working on terminology consistency, took first user story (social contact infor), extracted use case (GET), raised some issues

14:51:54 <Arnaud> http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/wiki/Use_Cases_And_Requirements

Arnaud Le Hors: http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/wiki/Use_Cases_And_Requirements

14:52:12 <bblfish> perhaps this in particular: http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/wiki/Use_Cases_And_Requirements#Use_Cases ?

Henry Story: perhaps this in particular: http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/wiki/Use_Cases_And_Requirements#Use_Cases ?

14:52:26 <Zakim> -Ashok_Malhotra

Zakim IRC Bot: -Ashok_Malhotra

14:52:44 <dret> http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/wiki/Main_Page#Timeline is updated now (ACTION-11)

Erik Wilde: http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/wiki/Main_Page#Timeline is updated now (ACTION-11)

14:52:57 <JohnArwe> battle: need to clarify if resources are things or representations of things, i.e. do we need 303 redirect or not

Steve Battle: need to clarify if resources are things or representations of things, i.e. do we need 303 redirect or not

14:53:22 <Zakim> -ericP

Zakim IRC Bot: -ericP

14:53:53 <JohnArwe> arnaud: as you work on doc, as you see issues, please raise them into tracker system (best) or email list.

Arnaud Le Hors: as you work on doc, as you see issues, please raise them into tracker system (best) or email list.

14:54:00 <Zakim> +ericP

Zakim IRC Bot: +ericP

14:54:10 <Zakim> -BartvanLeeuwen

Zakim IRC Bot: -BartvanLeeuwen

14:54:39 <dret> if there's no discussion on the email list, then we see them during the call and will address them in the meeting.

Erik Wilde: if there's no discussion on the email list, then we see open issues and actions during the call and will address open issues and actions in the meeting.

14:55:07 <dret> s/them/open issues and actions/
14:56:02 <JohnArwe> arnaud: unrealistic perhaps to have public working draft by end of Oct for f2f, but would like at least an editor's draft.

Arnaud Le Hors: unrealistic perhaps to have public working draft by end of Oct for f2f, but would like at least an editor's draft.

14:56:13 <JohnArwe> battle: imp thing is to label/number use cases

Steve Battle: imp thing is to label/number use cases

14:56:20 <bblfish> q+ on TPAC question

Henry Story: q+ on TPAC question

14:56:35 <Arnaud> ack bblfish

Arnaud Le Hors: ack bblfish

14:56:35 <Zakim> bblfish, you wanted to comment on TPAC question

Zakim IRC Bot: bblfish, you wanted to comment on TPAC question

14:58:06 <bblfish> bblfish: yes, call for sponsorship for WebID and RWW Community group for 1 day $1000

Henry Story: yes, call for sponsorship for WebID and RWW Community group for 1 day $1000 [ Scribe Assist by Henry Story ]

14:59:03 <Zakim> -ericP

Zakim IRC Bot: -ericP

14:59:36 <Arnaud> q?

Arnaud Le Hors: q?

14:59:51 <SteveS> When will our TPAC agenda be drafted/set? Be good to reserve time for UCR finalizing and spec issue resolution

Steve Speicher: When will our TPAC agenda be drafted/set? Be good to reserve time for UCR finalizing and spec issue resolution

14:59:59 <ericP> €1000 instead of $1000, iirc

Eric Prud'hommeaux: €1000 instead of $1000, iirc

15:00:13 <ericP> (from what Henry said)

Eric Prud'hommeaux: (from what Henry said)

15:00:14 <bblfish> ah yes. thanks :-)

Henry Story: ah yes. thanks :-)

15:01:00 <bblfish> 1352.74 euros exactly

Henry Story: 1352.74 euros exactly

15:01:15 <Arnaud> q?

Arnaud Le Hors: q?

15:01:26 <bblfish> Will send mail to mailing list on the topic of webid and ldp

Henry Story: Will send mail to mailing list on the topic of webid and ldp

15:01:35 <Zakim> -mhausenblas

Zakim IRC Bot: -mhausenblas

15:01:37 <Zakim> -MacTed

Zakim IRC Bot: -MacTed

15:01:37 <Zakim> -SteveS

Zakim IRC Bot: -SteveS

15:01:38 <Zakim> -Ruben

Zakim IRC Bot: -Ruben

15:01:40 <Zakim> -dret

Zakim IRC Bot: -dret

15:01:40 <Zakim> -bblfish

Zakim IRC Bot: -bblfish

15:01:41 <Zakim> -antonis

Zakim IRC Bot: -antonis

15:01:42 <Zakim> -rgarcia

Zakim IRC Bot: -rgarcia

15:01:44 <Zakim> -krp

Zakim IRC Bot: -krp

15:02:01 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/09/17-ldp-minutes.html Yves

RRSAgent IRC Bot: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/09/17-ldp-minutes.html Yves

15:02:11 <Zakim> -Yves

Zakim IRC Bot: -Yves

15:02:23 <Zakim> -svillata

Zakim IRC Bot: -svillata

15:02:26 <Zakim> -Sandro

Zakim IRC Bot: -Sandro

15:02:28 <Zakim> -Arnaud

Zakim IRC Bot: -Arnaud

15:02:29 <Zakim> -stevebattle

Zakim IRC Bot: -stevebattle

15:02:32 <Zakim> -JohnArwe

Zakim IRC Bot: -JohnArwe

15:02:34 <Zakim> SW_LDP()10:00AM has ended

Zakim IRC Bot: SW_LDP()10:00AM has ended

15:02:34 <Zakim> Attendees were dret, +329331aaaa, Arnaud, JohnArwe, Sandro, bblfish, Ruben, SteveS, Ashok_Malhotra, antonis, BartvanLeeuwen, +1.512.433.aabb, rgarcia, krp, MacTed, stevebattle,

Zakim IRC Bot: Attendees were dret, +329331aaaa, Arnaud, JohnArwe, Sandro, bblfish, Ruben, SteveS, Ashok_Malhotra, antonis, BartvanLeeuwen, +1.512.433.aabb, rgarcia, krp, MacTed, stevebattle,

15:02:34 <Zakim> ... Yves, svillata, ericP, mhausenblas, cygri

Zakim IRC Bot: ... Yves, svillata, ericP, mhausenblas, cygri

15:02:36 <dret> anybody know's how to create the commonscribe minutes from that?

Erik Wilde: anybody know's how to create the commonscribe minutes from that?

15:02:48 <JohnArwe> working on common scribe minutes "now"

working on common scribe minutes "now"

15:02:56 <JohnArwe> ...once I call into next mtg ;-)

...once I call into next mtg ;-)

15:03:07 <dret> great, thanks a lot!

Erik Wilde: great, thanks a lot!

15:03:37 <cygri> dret, JohnArwe: The secret is to bookmark this URL and follow the instructions: https://www.w3.org/2009/CommonScribe/panel/?group=ldp&go=Use+This+Group

Richard Cyganiak: dret, JohnArwe: The secret is to bookmark this URL and follow the instructions: https://www.w3.org/2009/CommonScribe/panel/?group=ldp&go=Use+This+Group

15:03:46 <dret> looks like http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/wiki/Main_Page#Timeline is missing presence information

Erik Wilde: looks like http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/wiki/Main_Page#Timeline is missing presence information

15:04:05 <dret> thanks, cygri!

Erik Wilde: thanks, cygri!

15:05:39 <dret> i think that worked wonderfully, so i'll save the results. thanks again cygri and JohnArwe for scribing!

Erik Wilde: i think that worked wonderfully, so i'll save the results. thanks again cygri and JohnArwe for scribing!

15:05:57 <cygri> yw dret!

Richard Cyganiak: yw dret!



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