<sandro> PRESENT: PhilA, mhausenblas, cygri, BenediktKaempgen, csarven, boris, fadi, dvilasuero, BartvanLeeuwen, chrism, tina, george, bhyland, yigal, mikep, annew, gillman, simonwall, gerald, sandro, davereynolds, reck, erickson, christophe_gueret, stasinos
<sandro> GUEST: Gofran Shukair
<sandro> GUEST: Deirdre Lee
<sandro> GUEST: Spyros Kotoulas
<sandro> chair: bhyland, george
11:51:33 <RRSAgent> logging to http://www.w3.org/2012/01/25-gld-irc
RRSAgent IRC Bot: logging to http://www.w3.org/2012/01/25-gld-irc ←
11:52:15 <sandro> zakim, this will be gld1
Sandro Hawke: zakim, this will be gld1 ←
11:52:15 <Zakim> ok, sandro; I see SW_e-Gov( GLD)6:30AM scheduled to start 22 minutes ago
Zakim IRC Bot: ok, sandro; I see SW_e-Gov( GLD)6:30AM scheduled to start 22 minutes ago ←
11:53:02 <sandro> sandro has changed the topic to: Government Linked Data (GLD) WG -- F2F2 -- Code GLD1 -- http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/wiki/F2F2
Sandro Hawke: sandro has changed the topic to: Government Linked Data (GLD) WG -- F2F2 -- Code GLD1 -- http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/wiki/F2F2 ←
11:53:16 <mhausenblas> ok, I guess we're set and ready!
Michael Hausenblas: ok, I guess we're set and ready! ←
11:54:03 <Zakim> SW_e-Gov( GLD)6:30AM has now started
Zakim IRC Bot: SW_e-Gov( GLD)6:30AM has now started ←
11:54:10 <Zakim> +??P0
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P0 ←
11:54:18 <Zakim> +sandro
Zakim IRC Bot: +sandro ←
11:57:09 <Zakim> +GeraldSteeman
Zakim IRC Bot: +GeraldSteeman ←
11:58:38 <Zakim> + +3539149aaaa
Zakim IRC Bot: + +3539149aaaa ←
11:58:48 <mhausenblas> Zakim, aaaa is me
Michael Hausenblas: Zakim, aaaa is me ←
11:58:48 <Zakim> +mhausenblas; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +mhausenblas; got it ←
11:58:56 <cygri> zakim, aaaa is galway
Richard Cyganiak: zakim, aaaa is galway ←
11:58:56 <Zakim> sorry, cygri, I do not recognize a party named 'aaaa'
Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, cygri, I do not recognize a party named 'aaaa' ←
11:58:57 <mhausenblas> Zakim, fadi is with me
Michael Hausenblas: Zakim, fadi is with me ←
11:58:58 <Zakim> +fadi; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +fadi; got it ←
11:59:22 <mhausenblas> Zakim, I am really galway
Michael Hausenblas: Zakim, I am really galway ←
11:59:22 <Zakim> I don't understand 'I am really galway', mhausenblas
Zakim IRC Bot: I don't understand 'I am really galway', mhausenblas ←
11:59:26 <cygri> zakim, mhausenblas is really galway
Richard Cyganiak: zakim, mhausenblas is really galway ←
11:59:26 <Zakim> +galway; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +galway; got it ←
11:59:36 <cygri> zakim, mhausenblas is with galway
Richard Cyganiak: zakim, mhausenblas is with galway ←
11:59:36 <Zakim> +mhausenblas; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +mhausenblas; got it ←
11:59:45 <cygri> zakim, i'm with galway
Richard Cyganiak: zakim, i'm with galway ←
11:59:45 <Zakim> +cygri; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +cygri; got it ←
12:00:01 <cygri> zakim, who is on the phone
Richard Cyganiak: zakim, who is on the phone ←
12:00:01 <Zakim> I don't understand 'who is on the phone', cygri
Zakim IRC Bot: I don't understand 'who is on the phone', cygri ←
12:00:10 <cygri> zakim, who is on the phone?
Richard Cyganiak: zakim, who is on the phone? ←
12:00:29 <cygri> zakim, who is on the phone?
Richard Cyganiak: zakim, who is on the phone? ←
12:00:29 <Zakim> On the phone I see simonWall, sandro, GeraldSteeman, galway
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see simonWall, sandro, GeraldSteeman, galway ←
12:00:30 <Zakim> galway has galway, mhausenblas, cygri
Zakim IRC Bot: galway has galway, mhausenblas, cygri ←
12:01:04 <cygri> zakim, BenediktKaempgen is with galway
Richard Cyganiak: zakim, BenediktKaempgen is with galway ←
12:01:04 <Zakim> +BenediktKaempgen; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +BenediktKaempgen; got it ←
12:01:17 <cygri> zakim, csarven is with galway
Richard Cyganiak: zakim, csarven is with galway ←
12:01:17 <Zakim> +csarven; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +csarven; got it ←
12:01:21 <dvilasuero> zakim, dvilasuero is galway
Daniel Vila: zakim, dvilasuero is galway ←
12:01:21 <Zakim> sorry, dvilasuero, I do not recognize a party named 'dvilasuero'
Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, dvilasuero, I do not recognize a party named 'dvilasuero' ←
12:01:29 <boris_> zakim, boris is with galway
Boris Villazón-Terrazas: zakim, boris is with galway ←
12:01:29 <Zakim> +boris; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +boris; got it ←
12:01:30 <cygri> zakim, Deirdre is with galway
Richard Cyganiak: zakim, Deirdre is with galway ←
12:01:30 <Zakim> +Deirdre; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +Deirdre; got it ←
12:01:38 <cygri> zakim, fadi is with galway
Richard Cyganiak: zakim, fadi is with galway ←
12:01:38 <Zakim> +fadi; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +fadi; got it ←
12:01:44 <cygri> zakim, Gofran is with galway
Richard Cyganiak: zakim, Gofran is with galway ←
12:01:44 <Zakim> +Gofran; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +Gofran; got it ←
12:01:49 <cygri> zakim, PhilA is with galway
Richard Cyganiak: zakim, PhilA is with galway ←
12:01:49 <Zakim> +PhilA; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +PhilA; got it ←
12:02:17 <cygri> zakim, dvilasuero is with galway
Richard Cyganiak: zakim, dvilasuero is with galway ←
12:02:17 <Zakim> +dvilasuero; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +dvilasuero; got it ←
12:02:25 <cygri> zakim BartvanLeeuwen is with Galway
Richard Cyganiak: zakim BartvanLeeuwen is with Galway ←
12:02:33 <cygri> zakim, BartvanLeeuwen is with Galway
Richard Cyganiak: zakim, BartvanLeeuwen is with Galway ←
12:02:33 <Zakim> +BartvanLeeuwen; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +BartvanLeeuwen; got it ←
12:02:39 <cygri> zakim, who is on the phone?
Richard Cyganiak: zakim, who is on the phone? ←
12:02:39 <Zakim> On the phone I see simonWall (muted), sandro, GeraldSteeman, galway
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see simonWall (muted), sandro, GeraldSteeman, galway ←
12:02:40 <Zakim> galway has galway, mhausenblas, cygri, BenediktKaempgen, csarven, boris, Deirdre, fadi, Gofran, PhilA, dvilasuero, BartvanLeeuwen
Zakim IRC Bot: galway has galway, mhausenblas, cygri, BenediktKaempgen, csarven, boris, Deirdre, fadi, Gofran, PhilA, dvilasuero, BartvanLeeuwen ←
12:03:09 <sandro> RRSAgent, pointer?
Sandro Hawke: RRSAgent, pointer? ←
12:03:09 <RRSAgent> See http://www.w3.org/2012/01/25-gld-irc#T12-03-09
RRSAgent IRC Bot: See http://www.w3.org/2012/01/25-gld-irc#T12-03-09 ←
12:03:44 <sandro> RRSAgent, make logs public
Sandro Hawke: RRSAgent, make logs public ←
12:04:07 <sandro> I'm thinking skype is the best bet.
Sandro Hawke: I'm thinking skype is the best bet. ←
12:04:15 <sandro> (with sound turned off)
Sandro Hawke: (with sound turned off) ←
12:06:42 <Zakim> + +1.802.371.aabb
Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.802.371.aabb ←
12:07:23 <Zakim> - +1.802.371.aabb
Zakim IRC Bot: - +1.802.371.aabb ←
12:09:55 <mhausenblas> the only thing we now need (for both Zakim and skype) is ....
Michael Hausenblas: the only thing we now need (for both Zakim and skype) is .... ←
12:09:59 <mhausenblas> Washington! :)
Michael Hausenblas: Washington! :) ←
12:10:07 <Zakim> + +1.802.371.aacc
Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.802.371.aacc ←
12:10:27 <sandro> ( who is dvilasuero ? )
Sandro Hawke: ( who is dvilasuero ? ) ←
12:10:36 <Zakim> + +1.202.691.aadd
Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.202.691.aadd ←
12:10:51 <sandro> zakim, aadd is Washington
Sandro Hawke: zakim, aadd is Washington ←
12:10:51 <Zakim> +Washington; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +Washington; got it ←
12:14:09 <Zakim> - +1.802.371.aacc
Zakim IRC Bot: - +1.802.371.aacc ←
12:14:19 <mhausenblas> Zakim, mute me
Michael Hausenblas: Zakim, mute me ←
12:14:22 <Zakim> sorry, mhausenblas, I do not know which phone connection belongs to you
Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, mhausenblas, I do not know which phone connection belongs to you ←
12:14:29 <mhausenblas> Zakim, mute galway
Michael Hausenblas: Zakim, mute galway ←
12:14:29 <Zakim> galway should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: galway should now be muted ←
12:15:17 <mhausenblas> Zakim, unmute galway
Michael Hausenblas: Zakim, unmute galway ←
12:15:17 <Zakim> galway should no longer be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: galway should no longer be muted ←
12:15:39 <cygri> sandro, dvialasuero is daniel vila from madrid
Richard Cyganiak: sandro, dvialasuero is daniel vila from madrid ←
12:16:24 <cygri> it's richard.cyganiak
Richard Cyganiak: it's richard.cyganiak ←
12:19:28 <mhausenblas> trackbot, start telecon
Michael Hausenblas: trackbot, start telecon ←
12:19:31 <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs world
Trackbot IRC Bot: RRSAgent, make logs world ←
12:19:33 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be GLD
Trackbot IRC Bot: Zakim, this will be GLD ←
12:19:33 <Zakim> ok, trackbot, I see SW_e-Gov( GLD)6:30AM already started
Zakim IRC Bot: ok, trackbot, I see SW_e-Gov( GLD)6:30AM already started ←
12:19:34 <trackbot> Meeting: Government Linked Data Working Group Teleconference
12:19:34 <trackbot> Date: 25 January 2012
12:19:53 <mhausenblas> Agenda: http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/wiki/F2F2#Wednesday.2C_25-Jan-2012
12:20:04 <mhausenblas> Zakim, who's here?
Michael Hausenblas: Zakim, who's here? ←
12:20:04 <Zakim> On the phone I see simonWall (muted), sandro, GeraldSteeman, galway, Washington
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see simonWall (muted), sandro, GeraldSteeman, galway, Washington ←
12:20:06 <Zakim> galway has galway, mhausenblas, cygri, BenediktKaempgen, csarven, boris, Deirdre, fadi, Gofran, PhilA, dvilasuero, BartvanLeeuwen
Zakim IRC Bot: galway has galway, mhausenblas, cygri, BenediktKaempgen, csarven, boris, Deirdre, fadi, Gofran, PhilA, dvilasuero, BartvanLeeuwen ←
12:20:09 <Zakim> On IRC I see tighten, DeirdreLee, BartvanLeeuwen, PhilA, csarven, dvilasuero, boris, BenediktKaempgen, fadi, GeraldSteeman, mhausenblas, Zakim, RRSAgent, simonWall, cygri, rreck,
Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see tighten, DeirdreLee, BartvanLeeuwen, PhilA, csarven, dvilasuero, boris, BenediktKaempgen, fadi, GeraldSteeman, mhausenblas, Zakim, RRSAgent, simonWall, cygri, rreck, ←
12:20:11 <Zakim> ... danbri, trackbot, sandro
Zakim IRC Bot: ... danbri, trackbot, sandro ←
12:20:51 <mhausenblas> scribenick: mhausenblas
(Scribe set to Michael Hausenblas)
12:22:52 <bhyland> ping
Bernadette Hyland: ping ←
12:22:59 <sandro> pong bhyland
Sandro Hawke: pong bhyland ←
12:24:58 <mhausenblas> Topic: Introductions
12:25:18 <mhausenblas> PhilA: I'm in Galway, W3C staff
Phil Archer: I'm in Galway, W3C staff ←
12:25:38 <Zakim> + +1.802.371.aaee
Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.802.371.aaee ←
12:26:05 <mhausenblas> PhilA: I've been working on vocabularies, ADMS, DCAT, organisation ontology
Phil Archer: I've been working on vocabularies, ADMS, DCAT, organisation ontology ←
12:26:49 <sandro> RRSAgent, pointer?
Sandro Hawke: RRSAgent, pointer? ←
12:26:49 <RRSAgent> See http://www.w3.org/2012/01/25-gld-irc#T12-26-49
RRSAgent IRC Bot: See http://www.w3.org/2012/01/25-gld-irc#T12-26-49 ←
12:26:50 <mhausenblas> dvilasuero: In Galway, Master student with Boris (UPM) from Spain
Daniel Vila: In Galway, Master student with Boris (UPM) from Spain ←
12:27:21 <mhausenblas> fadi: In Galway, finished my MSc on Publishing Linked Gov Data, Google Refine, DCAT
Fadi Maali: In Galway, finished my MSc on Publishing Linked Gov Data, Google Refine, DCAT ←
12:28:11 <mhausenblas> boris: In Galway, UPM, we do Linked Government Data in Spain, will help facility vocab
Boris Villazón-Terrazas: In Galway, UPM, we do Linked Government Data in Spain, will help facility vocab ←
12:28:42 <PhilA> mhausenblas: I'm co-hosting here. Head Linked Data section here at DERI
Michael Hausenblas: I'm co-hosting here. Head Linked Data section here at DERI [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ] ←
12:29:36 <mhausenblas> cygri: In Galway, LiDRC at DERI as well, I'm focusing on vocabs (DCAT, DataCube) and also other WG (RDF, RDB2RDF)
Richard Cyganiak: In Galway, LiDRC at DERI as well, I'm focusing on vocabs (DCAT, DataCube) and also other WG (RDF, RDB2RDF) ←
12:30:11 <mhausenblas> ... I'd like to learn about requirement for DataCube vocab, also DCAT
... I'd like to learn about requirement for DataCube vocab, also DCAT ←
12:30:33 <mhausenblas> BartvanLeeuwen: In Galway - I'm a Semantic Fire Fighter from A'dam
Bart van Leeuwen: In Galway - I'm a Semantic Fire Fighter from A'dam ←
12:30:58 <mhausenblas> ... doing Linked Open Data, looking for advise for best practices and share again
... doing Linked Open Data, looking for advise for best practices and share again ←
12:31:25 <PhilA> Note to self, need to talk to fadi about Dan Smith's work on Refine Extensions http://wiki.linkedgov.org/index.php/Extension
Phil Archer: Note to self, need to talk to fadi about Dan Smith's work on Refine Extensions http://wiki.linkedgov.org/index.php/Extension ←
12:31:28 <mhausenblas> csarven: In Galway, MSc in LiDRC, with Michael and Richard, working on data-gov.ie, tooling around this
Sarven Capadisli: In Galway, MSc in LiDRC, with Michael and Richard, working on data-gov.ie, tooling around this ←
12:32:14 <mhausenblas> GofranS: In Galway, MSc students in eGov unit at DERI, focusing on metadata i18y, ADMS
Gofran Shukair: In Galway, MSc students in eGov unit at DERI, focusing on metadata i18y, ADMS ←
12:32:26 <Zakim> -GeraldSteeman
Zakim IRC Bot: -GeraldSteeman ←
12:33:04 <mhausenblas> DeirdreLee: In Galway, heading the eGov unit in DERI, working with Vassilios of the EC
Deirdre Lee: In Galway, heading the eGov unit in DERI, working with Vassilios of the EC ←
12:33:18 <Zakim> +GeraldSteeman
Zakim IRC Bot: +GeraldSteeman ←
12:33:28 <mhausenblas> ... we're doing Open Data, policies, etc.
... we're doing Open Data, policies, etc. ←
12:33:41 <mhausenblas> ... for example, DCAT is of interest
... for example, DCAT is of interest ←
12:34:16 <cygri> zakim, spyros is with galway
Richard Cyganiak: zakim, spyros is with galway ←
12:34:16 <Zakim> +spyros; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +spyros; got it ←
12:35:05 <mhausenblas> BenediktKaempgen: In Galway, from FZI in Karlsruhe, Germany
Benedikt Kaempgen: In Galway, from FZI in Karlsruhe, Germany ←
12:35:32 <mhausenblas> ... into business intelligence, interested to provide feedback for DataCube and other related efforts
... into business intelligence, interested to provide feedback for DataCube and other related efforts ←
12:35:44 <mhausenblas> ... such as SKOS extension for hieratchy
... such as SKOS extension for hierarchy ←
12:35:53 <mhausenblas> s/hieratchy/hierarchy
12:36:04 <mhausenblas> ... as well as versioning input
... as well as versioning input ←
12:36:05 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
Zakim IRC Bot: +[IPcaller] ←
12:36:17 <DaveReynolds> zakim, IPcaller is me
Dave Reynolds: zakim, IPcaller is me ←
12:36:17 <Zakim> +DaveReynolds; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +DaveReynolds; got it ←
12:36:24 <mhausenblas> ... we've published Eurostat and XBRL data
... we've published Eurostat and XBRL data ←
12:37:01 <mhausenblas> Spyros: In Galway, IBM SCTC in Dublin, we are into Linked Open Data publishing (dublinked.ie)
Spyros Kotoulas: In Galway, IBM SCTC in Dublin, we are into Linked Open Data publishing (dublinked.ie) ←
12:37:22 <mhausenblas> ... we do data management for Smart Cities using Linked Data
... we do data management for Smart Cities using Linked Data ←
12:38:00 <sandro> first/last name spelling?
Sandro Hawke: first/last name spelling? ←
12:38:28 <sandro> I think I have everyone by Spyros on http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/meeting/2012-01-25
Sandro Hawke: I think I have everyone but Spyros on http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/meeting/2012-01-25 ←
12:38:33 <sandro> s/by/but/
12:38:38 <Zakim> +rreck
Zakim IRC Bot: +rreck ←
12:38:39 <sandro> got it.
Sandro Hawke: got it. ←
12:38:44 <Zakim> -rreck
Zakim IRC Bot: -rreck ←
12:39:09 <rreck> sheesh, it took 4 tries and then dropped
Ronald Reck: sheesh, it took 4 tries and then dropped ←
12:40:01 <DaveReynolds> zakim, mute me
Dave Reynolds: zakim, mute me ←
12:40:03 <Zakim> DaveReynolds should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: DaveReynolds should now be muted ←
12:40:21 <cygri> cmusialek: Chris Musialek, working on data.gov
Chris Musialek: Chris Musialek, working on data.gov [ Scribe Assist by Richard Cyganiak ] ←
12:40:23 <George> cmusialek: GSA Data.gov lead, working on vocab.data.gov and other related GLD for Data.gov
Chris Musialek: GSA Data.gov lead, working on vocab.data.gov and other related GLD for Data.gov [ Scribe Assist by George Thomas ] ←
12:40:36 <George> t_gheen: One World Law Library
Tina Gheen: One World Law Library [ Scribe Assist by George Thomas ] ←
12:40:53 <Zakim> +rreck
Zakim IRC Bot: +rreck ←
12:41:07 <rreck> whew, i called in 9 times
Ronald Reck: whew, i called in 9 times ←
12:41:35 <bhyland> ping
Bernadette Hyland: ping ←
12:41:40 <mhausenblas> pong
pong ←
12:41:48 <George> t_gheen: Library of Congress
Tina Gheen: Library of Congress [ Scribe Assist by George Thomas ] ←
12:42:27 <bhyland> Introducing George Thomas from US HEaltha & Human Services
Bernadette Hyland: Introducing George Thomas from US HEaltha & Human Services ←
12:43:19 <George> bhyland: 3RoundStones, GLD co-chair, US Gov LD initiatives (EPA), strong open source product orientation, more on Web Arch, Data Mgmt
Bernadette Hyland: 3RoundStones, GLD co-chair, US Gov LD initiatives (EPA), strong open source product orientation, more on Web Arch, Data Mgmt [ Scribe Assist by George Thomas ] ←
12:43:37 <George> ... better tooling for Web2.0 app dev's for using RDF stack tech
George Thomas: ... better tooling for Web2.0 app dev's for using RDF stack tech ←
12:43:38 <George> ...
George Thomas: ... ←
12:44:11 <George> objectives for F2F2 - focus on enabling aspects for GLD publishers, how to roll out LD projects
George Thomas: objectives for F2F2 - focus on enabling aspects for GLD publishers, how to roll out LD projects ←
12:45:13 <George> ... value add to augment tech chops with mgmt understanding
George Thomas: ... value add to augment tech chops with mgmt understanding ←
12:45:16 <cygri> me sandro, it's Gofran Shukair and Benedikt Kämpgen
Richard Cyganiak: me sandro, it's Gofran Shukair and Benedikt Kämpgen ←
12:46:03 <George> Yigal (not in IRC) - working on Gov Grant vocab -
George Thomas: Yigal (not in IRC) - working on Gov Grant vocab - ←
12:47:20 <George> ... been working with Gov Data for a long time, worked with Dan Gillman (BLS)
George Thomas: ... been working with Gov Data for a long time, worked with Dan Gillman (BLS) ←
12:48:03 <George> Mike Pendleton (not on IRC) - EPA - doing LD projects, new approaches to data warehousing and publishing using LD
George Thomas: Mike Pendleton (not on IRC) - EPA - doing LD projects, new approaches to data warehousing and publishing using LD ←
12:48:20 <George> ... interest and contribution in Procurement
George Thomas: ... interest and contribution in Procurement ←
12:49:02 <George> Anne Washington (not on IRC) from George Mason University, Professor Public Policy, bkgrnd CS and IS
George Thomas: Anne Washington (not on IRC) from George Mason University, Professor Public Policy, bkgrnd CS and IS ←
12:49:21 <George> ... interest and bckgrnd in Dig Archives, preservation incl metadata
George Thomas: ... interest and bckgrnd in Dig Archives, preservation incl metadata ←
12:49:21 <sandro> Okay, http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/meeting/2012-01-25 has everyone correctly listed (I think).
Sandro Hawke: Okay, http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/meeting/2012-01-25 has everyone correctly listed (I think). ←
12:49:40 <George> ... need for external 'non-branded' info in determining scope and direction of GLD projects
George Thomas: ... need for external 'non-branded' info in determining scope and direction of GLD projects ←
12:49:52 <George> ... part of the W3C eGov IG
George Thomas: ... part of the W3C eGov IG ←
12:49:52 <mhausenblas> q+
q+ ←
12:50:59 <Zakim> + +1.518.276.aaff
Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.518.276.aaff ←
12:51:02 <Zakim> - +1.802.371.aaee
Zakim IRC Bot: - +1.802.371.aaee ←
12:51:25 <Zakim> +??P4
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P4 ←
12:51:35 <bhyland> q?
Bernadette Hyland: q? ←
12:51:46 <sandro> http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/meeting/2012-01-25
Sandro Hawke: http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/meeting/2012-01-25 ←
12:51:49 <mhausenblas> q-
q- ←
12:52:29 <George> Dan Gillman (not yet on IRC)
George Thomas: Dan Gillman (not yet on IRC) ←
12:52:37 <George> BLS, DC F2F2 host
George Thomas: BLS, DC F2F2 host ←
12:52:45 <rreck> where is the video ?
Ronald Reck: where is the video ? ←
12:52:49 <olyerickson> @bhyland I have been on in car, just arrived at TWCRPI
John Erickson: @bhyland I have been on in car, just arrived at TWCRPI ←
12:53:01 <olyerickson> zakim, I am aaff
John Erickson: zakim, I am aaff ←
12:53:01 <Zakim> +olyerickson; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +olyerickson; got it ←
12:53:06 <George> ... involved with metadata standards and requirements for access to statistical data (for 'quite some time' :)
George Thomas: ... involved with metadata standards and requirements for access to statistical data (for 'quite some time' :) ←
12:53:37 <George> ... got involved with GLD through chair role of Open Gov Vocab WG (part of Fed CIO Council Data Arch Subcmt)
George Thomas: ... got involved with GLD through chair role of Open Gov Vocab WG (part of Fed CIO Council Data Arch Subcmt) ←
12:53:59 <George> ... interest in synergy and application of W3C/GLD to BLS data
George Thomas: ... interest in synergy and application of W3C/GLD to BLS data ←
12:54:15 <bhyland> w?
Bernadette Hyland: w? ←
12:54:18 <mhausenblas> q?
q? ←
12:54:19 <olyerickson> q+
John Erickson: q+ ←
12:54:20 <bhyland> q/
Bernadette Hyland: q/ ←
12:54:26 <olyerickson> q?
John Erickson: q? ←
12:54:47 <George> olyerickson: Dir of Web Science Ops at TWC RPI
John Erickson: Dir of Web Science Ops at TWC RPI [ Scribe Assist by George Thomas ] ←
12:55:03 <mhausenblas> ack olyerickson
ack olyerickson ←
12:55:11 <George> ... project lead for logd.twc.rpi.edu - int gov cat search demo, govpedia.org project, others
George Thomas: ... project lead for logd.twc.rpi.edu - int gov cat search demo, govpedia.org project, others ←
12:56:28 <PhilA> regrets+ Hadley Beeman
Phil Archer: regrets+ Hadley Beeman ←
12:56:40 <George> ... interest in firming up international BP guidance for GLD, co-leading URI construction session later today, also vocab rec's esp DCAT, (other good collab mojo)
George Thomas: ... interest in firming up international BP guidance for GLD, co-leading URI construction session later today, also vocab rec's esp DCAT, (other good collab mojo) ←
12:57:48 <George> sandro: W3C primary staff contact with PhilA, key interest is making SemWeb work, GLD all ++, QB??, more :)
Sandro Hawke: W3C primary staff contact with PhilA, key interest is making SemWeb work, GLD all ++, QB??, more :) [ Scribe Assist by George Thomas ] ←
12:58:59 <George> GeraldSteeman: NASA S&T Info Prg Office, deliverable reviewer from lay-person persp, general interest in GLD
Gerald Steeman: NASA S&T Info Prg Office, deliverable reviewer from lay-person persp, general interest in GLD [ Scribe Assist by George Thomas ] ←
12:59:00 <mhausenblas> q+ to update on Gishlain status
q+ to update on Ghislain status ←
12:59:36 <cygri> s/Gishlain/Ghislain/
12:59:44 <George> ... bhyland adds contibutions from Gerald incl outreach at high levels
George Thomas: ... bhyland adds contibutions from Gerald incl outreach at high levels ←
12:59:55 <DaveReynolds> zakim, unmute me
Dave Reynolds: zakim, unmute me ←
12:59:55 <Zakim> DaveReynolds should no longer be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: DaveReynolds should no longer be muted ←
13:01:27 <George> DaveReynolds: SW/LD long timer, CTO Epimorphics, UK Pub Sector - data.gov.uk (variety of offices/agencies), vocab work - Org Ont (UK Organogram with cygri and JT), QB, LDA co-developer (great stuff!), variety of edu/env publishing
Dave Reynolds: SW/LD long timer, CTO Epimorphics, UK Pub Sector - data.gov.uk (variety of offices/agencies), vocab work - Org Ont (UK Organogram with cygri and JT), QB, LDA co-developer (great stuff!), variety of edu/env publishing [ Scribe Assist by George Thomas ] ←
13:01:37 <mhausenblas> ... Linked Data API see http://code.google.com/p/linked-data-api/
... Linked Data API see http://code.google.com/p/linked-data-api/ ←
13:01:46 <George> ... interests - mostly vocab with cygri etal
George Thomas: ... interests - mostly vocab with cygri etal ←
13:01:54 <mhausenblas> q?
q? ←
13:02:00 <DaveReynolds> zakim, mute me
Dave Reynolds: zakim, mute me ←
13:02:00 <Zakim> DaveReynolds should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: DaveReynolds should now be muted ←
13:02:19 <cygri> simonWall?
Richard Cyganiak: simonWall? ←
13:02:24 <PhilA> Picking up on DaveReynolds comments about the org ontology being used for organograms - here's an example http://data.gov.uk/organogram/department-for-business-innovation-and-skills
Phil Archer: Picking up on DaveReynolds comments about the org ontology being used for organograms - here's an example http://data.gov.uk/organogram/department-for-business-innovation-and-skills ←
13:02:27 <sandro> zakim, unmute simonWall
Sandro Hawke: zakim, unmute simonWall ←
13:02:27 <Zakim> simonWall should no longer be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: simonWall should no longer be muted ←
13:03:29 <George> simonWall: morning! Dir of Data Mgmt Australian Bu of Stats - working on standardizing statistical data/metadata, statistics/statistics/statistics
Simon Wall: morning! Dir of Data Mgmt Australian Bu of Stats - working on standardizing statistical data/metadata, statistics/statistics/statistics [ Scribe Assist by George Thomas ] ←
13:03:32 <sandro> simonWall: I lead the Data Management Section at the Australian Bureau of Statistics (http://abs.gov.au). (in Canberra)
Simon Wall: I lead the Data Management Section at the Australian Bureau of Statistics (http://abs.gov.au). (in Canberra) [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ] ←
13:04:17 <George> ... unlike (sandro ;), most interested in QB vocab, role as influencer of international stat community, interest in LD, and W3 membership
George Thomas: ... unlike (sandro ;), most interested in QB vocab, role as influencer of international stat community, interest in LD, and W3 membership ←
13:04:48 <George> ... is alive and well :)
George Thomas: ... is alive and well :) ←
13:07:24 <George> rreck: consultant in Wash DC, masters in comp linguistics, textual data & RDF thesis, published, working in law enforcement, working with vocabs, 3rd W3C (GRDDL, other?) group
Ronald Reck: consultant in Wash DC, masters in comp linguistics, textual data & RDF thesis, published, working in law enforcement, working with vocabs, 3rd W3C (GRDDL, other?) group [ Scribe Assist by George Thomas ] ←
13:07:55 <George> ... review props that influence stability of GLD, collab with AnneW
George Thomas: ... review props that influence stability of GLD, collab with AnneW ←
13:08:27 <cgueret_work> I'm here but you don't hear me
Christophe Gueret: I'm here but you don't hear me ←
13:08:46 <cgueret_work> it's christophe gueret
Christophe Gueret: it's christophe gueret ←
13:08:49 <cygri> christophe gueret
Richard Cyganiak: christophe gueret ←
13:08:51 <cgueret_work> from the VU
Christophe Gueret: from the VU ←
13:08:52 <cgueret_work> yep
Christophe Gueret: yep ←
13:08:56 <cgueret_work> should be
Christophe Gueret: should be ←
13:09:10 <PhilA> zakim, ??P4 is cgueret_work
Phil Archer: zakim, ??P4 is cgueret_work ←
13:09:10 <Zakim> +cgueret_work; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +cgueret_work; got it ←
13:09:19 <cgueret_work> http://www.few.vu.nl/~cgueret
Christophe Gueret: http://www.few.vu.nl/~cgueret ←
13:09:22 <cgueret_work> :/
Christophe Gueret: :/ ←
13:09:25 <cgueret_work> that's me :)
Christophe Gueret: that's me :) ←
13:09:41 <PhilA> zakim, cgueret_work is really Christophe Gueret
Phil Archer: zakim, cgueret_work is really Christophe Gueret ←
13:09:41 <Zakim> I don't understand you, PhilA
Zakim IRC Bot: I don't understand you, PhilA ←
13:09:41 <cgueret_work> thx :)
Christophe Gueret: thx :) ←
13:10:02 <PhilA> zakim, cgueret_work is ChristopheGueret
Phil Archer: zakim, cgueret_work is ChristopheGueret ←
13:10:02 <Zakim> +ChristopheGueret; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +ChristopheGueret; got it ←
13:10:32 <bhyland> Please look at http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/wiki/F2F2
Bernadette Hyland: Please look at http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/wiki/F2F2 ←
13:11:27 <bhyland> Topic: DataCube vocab discussion update
13:11:40 <cygri> http://publishing-statistical-data.googlecode.com/svn/trunk/specs/src/main/html/cube.html
Richard Cyganiak: http://publishing-statistical-data.googlecode.com/svn/trunk/specs/src/main/html/cube.html ←
13:11:42 <sandro> cygri: we have a draft spec
Richard Cyganiak: we have a draft spec [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ] ←
13:12:00 <BenediktKaempgen> Wiki page: http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/wiki/Statistical_Cube_Data
Benedikt Kaempgen: Wiki page: http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/wiki/Statistical_Cube_Data ←
13:12:03 <sandro> cygri: started in 2010, that's the current status : http://publishing-statistical-data.googlecode.com/svn/trunk/specs/src/main/html/cube.html
Richard Cyganiak: started in 2010, that's the current status : http://publishing-statistical-data.googlecode.com/svn/trunk/specs/src/main/html/cube.html [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ] ←
13:12:29 <mhausenblas> cygri: recently not that much activity re consumption
Richard Cyganiak: recently not that much activity re consumption ←
13:12:46 <mhausenblas> ... working on a generic client for any kind of DataCube data
... working on a generic client for any kind of DataCube data ←
13:13:12 <mhausenblas> ... we have quite some issues in the queue raised by people that have been using DataCube
... we have quite some issues in the queue raised by people that have been using DataCube ←
13:13:29 <mhausenblas> ... suggestions for improvements and extensions (incl. from BenediktKaempgen)
... suggestions for improvements and extensions (incl. from BenediktKaempgen) ←
13:13:34 <mhausenblas> cygri: next steps are
Richard Cyganiak: next steps are ←
13:13:57 <mhausenblas> ... transferring the issues to GLD tracker
... transferring the issues to GLD tracker ←
13:13:58 <cygri> http://code.google.com/p/publishing-statistical-data/issues/list
Richard Cyganiak: http://code.google.com/p/publishing-statistical-data/issues/list ←
13:14:11 <mhausenblas> cygri: as well as discuss extensions in GLD
Richard Cyganiak: as well as discuss extensions in GLD ←
13:14:44 <DaveReynolds> zakim, unmute me
Dave Reynolds: zakim, unmute me ←
13:14:44 <Zakim> DaveReynolds should no longer be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: DaveReynolds should no longer be muted ←
13:14:48 <mhausenblas> q?
q? ←
13:14:50 <mhausenblas> ack me
ack me ←
13:14:50 <Zakim> mhausenblas, you wanted to update on Gishlain status
Zakim IRC Bot: mhausenblas, you wanted to update on Gishlain status ←
13:15:06 <mhausenblas> q+ to still update on G.'s status ;)
q+ to still update on G.'s status ;) ←
13:15:32 <mhausenblas> cygri: additionally we want to publish the current spec as a FPWD in the GLD
Richard Cyganiak: additionally we want to publish the current spec as a FPWD in the GLD ←
13:15:45 <mhausenblas> .. I do have an action on it anyways
.. I do have an action on it anyways ←
13:16:46 <mhausenblas> cygri: in order to improve DataCube we should take into consideration all the valuable feedback
Richard Cyganiak: in order to improve DataCube we should take into consideration all the valuable feedback ←
13:17:00 <DaveReynolds> q+ to agree with Richard :)
Dave Reynolds: q+ to agree with Richard :) ←
13:17:07 <PhilA> q+
Phil Archer: q+ ←
13:17:13 <mhausenblas> ... need to find a balance between quickly getting out a FPWD on it vs. incorporating the feedback
... need to find a balance between quickly getting out a FPWD on it vs. incorporating the feedback ←
13:17:14 <mhausenblas> q?
q? ←
13:17:27 <BenediktKaempgen> +q
Benedikt Kaempgen: +q ←
13:17:36 <simonWall> +q
Simon Wall: +q ←
13:19:02 <PhilA> ack mich
Phil Archer: ack mich ←
13:19:06 <mhausenblas> ack me
ack me ←
13:19:06 <Zakim> mhausenblas, you wanted to still update on G.'s status ;)
Zakim IRC Bot: mhausenblas, you wanted to still update on G.'s status ;) ←
13:19:11 <PhilA> ack mhausenblas
Phil Archer: ack mhausenblas ←
13:19:29 <PhilA> ack DaveReynolds
Phil Archer: ack DaveReynolds ←
13:19:29 <Zakim> DaveReynolds, you wanted to agree with Richard :)
Zakim IRC Bot: DaveReynolds, you wanted to agree with Richard :) ←
13:19:33 <mhausenblas> Michael: Seems Gihslain will join G'way later today
Michael Hausenblas: Seems Gihslain will join G'way later today ←
13:19:35 <DaveReynolds> ack me
Dave Reynolds: ack me ←
13:19:52 <mhausenblas> DaveReynolds: Agree with what cygri said
Dave Reynolds: Agree with what cygri said ←
13:20:08 <mhausenblas> ... need a canonical issues list and a FPWD of DataCube spec
... need a canonical issues list and a FPWD of DataCube spec ←
13:20:35 <mhausenblas> ... need to remove ambiguities in the spec
... need to remove ambiguities in the spec ←
13:20:48 <mhausenblas> ... folding in the experience from practice
... folding in the experience from practice ←
13:20:49 <cygri> q+ to talk about use cases
Richard Cyganiak: q+ to talk about use cases ←
13:21:19 <mhausenblas> DaveReynolds: DataCube has been used by a number of groups now, already
Dave Reynolds: DataCube has been used by a number of groups now, already ←
13:21:32 <mhausenblas> ... some co-ordination is needed
... some co-ordination is needed ←
13:21:54 <mhausenblas> ... esp. re aggregation there has been quite some development in the SDMX world
... esp. re aggregation there has been quite some development in the SDMX world ←
13:22:01 <mhausenblas> q?
q? ←
13:22:18 <cygri> DaveReynolds: coordination with standards from the Observations&Measurements area
Dave Reynolds: coordination with standards from the Observations&Measurements area [ Scribe Assist by Richard Cyganiak ] ←
13:23:38 <PhilA> q?
Phil Archer: q? ←
13:24:00 <mhausenblas> bhyland: Are people happy enough to move to the W3C space?
Bernadette Hyland: Are people happy enough to move to the W3C space? ←
13:24:40 <mhausenblas> cygri: I think GLD is the appropriate space for this, yes
Richard Cyganiak: I think GLD is the appropriate space for this, yes ←
13:25:07 <mhausenblas> ... so far the work has happened in an informal space (cf. Google code repo)
... so far the work has happened in an informal space (cf. Google code repo) ←
13:26:15 <t_gheen> bhyland: what do we need to do? are the documents in good shape? How do we move forward and raise awareness?
Bernadette Hyland: what do we need to do? are the documents in good shape? How do we move forward and raise awareness? [ Scribe Assist by Tina Gheen ] ←
13:26:24 <PhilA> ack me
Phil Archer: ack me ←
13:26:56 <mhausenblas> PhilA: From a process point of view we need to create a product for DataCube in the GLD tracker
Phil Archer: From a process point of view we need to create a product for DataCube in the GLD tracker ←
13:27:16 <mhausenblas> ... and also for future products (DCAT, etc.) as currently there is only one product
... and also for future products (DCAT, etc.) as currently there is only one product ←
13:27:35 <mhausenblas> cygri: Positiv
Richard Cyganiak: Positiv ←
13:27:51 <mhausenblas> ACTION: PhilA to add products on issue tracker
ACTION: PhilA to add products on issue tracker ←
13:27:51 <trackbot> Created ACTION-29 - Add products on issue tracker [on Phil Archer - due 2012-02-01].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-29 - Add products on issue tracker [on Phil Archer - due 2012-02-01]. ←
13:28:21 <cygri> ACTION: cygri to produce editor's draft of Data Cube spec
ACTION: cygri to produce editor's draft of Data Cube spec ←
13:28:22 <trackbot> Created ACTION-30 - Produce editor's draft of Data Cube spec [on Richard Cyganiak - due 2012-02-01].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-30 - Produce editor's draft of Data Cube spec [on Richard Cyganiak - due 2012-02-01]. ←
13:28:32 <PhilA> q?
Phil Archer: q? ←
13:29:21 <mhausenblas> Michael: I assume FPWD of DataCube will be available together with the other FPWD on BP, etc.?
Michael Hausenblas: I assume FPWD of DataCube will be available together with the other FPWD on BP, etc.? ←
13:29:32 <mhausenblas> ... which would mean: soon
... which would mean: soon ←
13:29:33 <mhausenblas> q?
q? ←
13:29:43 <DaveReynolds> Agree with cygri that once have first working draft is a good time to see feedback.
Dave Reynolds: Agree with cygri that once have first working draft is a good time to seek feedback. ←
13:29:47 <PhilA> ack BenediktKaempgen
Phil Archer: ack BenediktKaempgen ←
13:29:52 <DaveReynolds> s/see/seek/
13:30:38 <mhausenblas> BenediktKaempgen: Question re issues
Benedikt Kaempgen: Question re issues ←
13:30:52 <mhausenblas> ... how will they be grouped
... how will they be grouped ←
13:31:45 <mhausenblas> BenediktKaempgen: Also, questions regarding consumption side
Benedikt Kaempgen: Also, questions regarding consumption side ←
13:32:34 <DaveReynolds> We do see groups consuming live Data Cube data, including iPhone apps. So there is some active use to learn from.
Dave Reynolds: We do see groups consuming live Data Cube data, including iPhone apps. So there is some active use to learn from. ←
13:32:50 <mhausenblas> cygri: My take on this is that the scope is backed up by the charter
Richard Cyganiak: My take on this is that the scope is backed up by the charter ←
13:33:15 <mhausenblas> ... so we need to be careful regarding how far we go, can't stray too far from this
... so we need to be careful regarding how far we go, can't stray too far from this ←
13:33:36 <mhausenblas> ... but it's important that we're compatible with other related works such as DDI
... but it's important that we're compatible with other related works such as DDI ←
13:34:08 <mhausenblas> ... agree with co-ordination with others, yes
... agree with co-ordination with others, yes ←
13:34:29 <DaveReynolds> Agree with Richard, keep scope narrow as currently defined, but do a good job of co-ordination.
Dave Reynolds: Agree with Richard, keep scope narrow as currently defined, but do a good job of co-ordination. ←
13:34:30 <mhausenblas> cygri: regarding consumption tools - we're producing a vocab, not a processor
Richard Cyganiak: regarding consumption tools - we're producing a vocab, not a processor ←
13:34:31 <sandro> the charter says: "Statistical "Cube" Data. The group will produce a vocabulary, compatible with SDMX, for expressing some kinds of statistical data. This need not be as expressive as all of SDMX, but may provide a subset as in the RDF Data Cube vocabulary. It may also include ways to annotate data to indicate its assumptions and comparability."
Sandro Hawke: the charter says: "Statistical "Cube" Data. The group will produce a vocabulary, compatible with SDMX, for expressing some kinds of statistical data. This need not be as expressive as all of SDMX, but may provide a subset as in the RDF Data Cube vocabulary. It may also include ways to annotate data to indicate its assumptions and comparability." ←
13:34:49 <sandro> precended by: "The group will also produce documentation, examples, and, optionally, test cases and OWL ontologies for these vocabularies."
Sandro Hawke: precended by: "The group will also produce documentation, examples, and, optionally, test cases and OWL ontologies for these vocabularies." ←
13:34:59 <mhausenblas> cygri: though, feedback from DataCube consumers would be beneficial
Richard Cyganiak: though, feedback from DataCube consumers would be beneficial ←
13:35:12 <Zakim> -rreck
Zakim IRC Bot: -rreck ←
13:35:16 <bhyland> q?
Bernadette Hyland: q? ←
13:35:20 <bhyland> ack cygri
Bernadette Hyland: ack cygri ←
13:35:20 <Zakim> cygri, you wanted to talk about use cases
Zakim IRC Bot: cygri, you wanted to talk about use cases ←
13:35:32 <sandro> on http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/charter
Sandro Hawke: on http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/charter ←
13:35:38 <sandro> mhausenblas, it's optional.
Sandro Hawke: mhausenblas, it's optional. ←
13:36:11 <bhyland> Question: Is this correct wiki page for updating the WG on progress, http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/wiki/Statistical_Cube_Data
Bernadette Hyland: Question: Is this correct wiki page for updating the WG on progress, http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/wiki/Statistical_Cube_Data ←
13:36:13 <DaveReynolds> mhausenblas: it currently is OWL (for values of "OWL" that are basically RDFS :))
Michael Hausenblas: it currently is OWL (for values of "OWL" that are basically RDFS :)) [ Scribe Assist by Dave Reynolds ] ←
13:36:19 <PhilA> ack simonWall
Phil Archer: ack simonWall ←
13:36:20 <bhyland> q?
Bernadette Hyland: q? ←
13:36:44 <mhausenblas> simonWall: we're very active in the SDMX and DataCube space
Simon Wall: we're very active in the SDMX and DataCube space ←
13:37:29 <bhyland> q?
Bernadette Hyland: q? ←
13:37:31 <Zakim> +rreck
Zakim IRC Bot: +rreck ←
13:37:41 <DaveReynolds> q+ possibly use real data as an example?
Dave Reynolds: q+ possibly use real data as an example? ←
13:37:55 <mhausenblas> cygri: Would like to raise one more issue - does it make sense to also document use cases?
Richard Cyganiak: Would like to raise one more issue - does it make sense to also document use cases? ←
13:37:57 <DaveReynolds> q+, real examples?
Dave Reynolds: q+, real examples? ←
13:38:02 <mhausenblas> Michael: +1 to use cases
Michael Hausenblas: +1 to use cases ←
13:38:10 <bhyland> cygri: Does it make sense to document use cases for vocabularies?
Richard Cyganiak: Does it make sense to document use cases for vocabularies? [ Scribe Assist by Bernadette Hyland ] ←
13:38:15 <PhilA> use cases are always good...
Phil Archer: use cases are always good... ←
13:38:25 <mhausenblas> Michael: Yes, we're backed up by charter (cf. 'examples')
Michael Hausenblas: Yes, we're backed up by charter (cf. 'examples') ←
13:38:33 <bhyland> cygri: I think it is a good reality check to resolve design criteria issues. Helps with clarity
Richard Cyganiak: I think it is a good reality check to resolve design criteria issues. Helps with clarity [ Scribe Assist by Bernadette Hyland ] ←
13:38:45 <PhilA> Although UCS are probably best recorded in a separate document
Phil Archer: Although UCS are probably best recorded in a separate document ←
13:39:13 <mhausenblas> cygri: Matter of resources in the working group
Richard Cyganiak: Matter of resources in the working group ←
13:39:22 <bhyland> cygri: Do we have the resources in the group to document use cases.
Richard Cyganiak: Do we have the resources in the group to document use cases. [ Scribe Assist by Bernadette Hyland ] ←
13:39:25 <bhyland> q+
Bernadette Hyland: q+ ←
13:39:34 <BenediktKaempgen> +1 to use cases
Benedikt Kaempgen: +1 to use cases ←
13:39:42 <simonWall> +1 for use cases
Simon Wall: +1 for use cases ←
13:39:54 <mhausenblas> q?
q? ←
13:40:02 <PhilA> q- real
Phil Archer: q- real ←
13:40:11 <cgueret_work> q- examples?
Christophe Gueret: q- examples? ←
13:40:17 <dvilasuero> +1 for use cases
Daniel Vila: +1 for use cases ←
13:40:21 <t_gheen> bhyland: we are writing docs for real working people, so mapping to real world is important
Bernadette Hyland: we are writing docs for real working people, so mapping to real world is important [ Scribe Assist by Tina Gheen ] ←
13:40:24 <PhilA> ack bhyland
Phil Archer: ack bhyland ←
13:40:38 <cgueret_work> +1 to bhyland
Christophe Gueret: +1 to bhyland ←
13:40:48 <DaveReynolds> q?
Dave Reynolds: q? ←
13:40:51 <t_gheen> bhland: where is the wiki page to update progress for this?
Bernadette Hyland: where is the wiki page to update progress for this? [ Scribe Assist by Tina Gheen ] ←
13:41:04 <BenediktKaempgen> eg., http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/wiki/Statistical_Cube_Data
Benedikt Kaempgen: eg., http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/wiki/Statistical_Cube_Data ←
13:41:05 <DaveReynolds> q+ to talk about examples
Dave Reynolds: q+ to talk about examples ←
13:41:05 <t_gheen> s/bhland/bhyland
13:41:11 <bhyland> Is this correct wiki page for updating the WG on progress, http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/wiki/Statistical_Cube_Data
Bernadette Hyland: Is this correct wiki page for updating the WG on progress, http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/wiki/Statistical_Cube_Data ←
13:41:33 <mhausenblas> cygri: AFAIK there is no single page that captures the current status
Richard Cyganiak: AFAIK there is no single page that captures the current status ←
13:41:42 <mhausenblas> ... not really updated, also
... not really updated, also ←
13:41:52 <BenediktKaempgen> I updated it recently a bit.
Benedikt Kaempgen: I updated it recently a bit. ←
13:42:11 <t_gheen> bhyland: recommend creating a high level page to organize the information
Bernadette Hyland: recommend creating a high level page to organize the information [ Scribe Assist by Tina Gheen ] ←
13:42:18 <mhausenblas> q?
q? ←
13:42:36 <t_gheen> ... can people devote time to this effort over the next few months?
Tina Gheen: ... can people devote time to this effort over the next few months? ←
13:42:37 <DaveReynolds> ack me
Dave Reynolds: ack me ←
13:42:37 <Zakim> DaveReynolds, you wanted to talk about examples
Zakim IRC Bot: DaveReynolds, you wanted to talk about examples ←
13:43:05 <mhausenblas> DaveReynolds: Yes, I can commit some time in the next 5 month, rather at the end
Dave Reynolds: Yes, I can commit some time in the next 5 month, rather at the end ←
13:43:20 <mhausenblas> DaveReynolds: re UC, there are different needs
Dave Reynolds: re UC, there are different needs ←
13:43:28 <mhausenblas> ... real data samples
... real data samples ←
13:43:41 <George> +1 DaveReynolds
George Thomas: +1 DaveReynolds ←
13:43:45 <mhausenblas> +1 as well
+1 as well ←
13:44:13 <simonWall> +1 too
Simon Wall: +1 too ←
13:44:19 <rreck> oh too bad we didnt do it in google+ so others could have joined
Ronald Reck: oh too bad we didnt do it in google+ so others could have joined ←
13:44:54 <mhausenblas> DaveReynolds: UC in the sense cygri was talking about vs. real world samples
Dave Reynolds: UC in the sense cygri was talking about vs. real world samples ←
13:44:56 <sandro> rreck, maybe during a break we can experiment with other vid tech.
Sandro Hawke: rreck, maybe during a break we can experiment with other vid tech. ←
13:45:09 <mhausenblas> Michael: both would be good!
Michael Hausenblas: both would be good! ←
13:45:22 <sandro> rreck, also, I gather this is a commercial skype account that can do multi-way.
Sandro Hawke: rreck, also, I gather this is a commercial skype account that can do multi-way. ←
13:45:38 <rreck> oh?
Ronald Reck: oh? ←
13:45:44 <mhausenblas> DaveReynolds: also valuable to evangelise to document the usage
Dave Reynolds: also valuable to evangelise to document the usage ←
13:45:58 <mhausenblas> ... but not in the spec but a separate doc
... but not in the spec but a separate doc ←
13:45:59 <mhausenblas> q+
q+ ←
13:46:02 <mhausenblas> q?
q? ←
13:46:10 <George> DaveReynolds: additional note on how case-study/examples realize use cases
Dave Reynolds: additional note on how case-study/examples realize use cases [ Scribe Assist by George Thomas ] ←
13:46:34 <mhausenblas> Michael: Agree with DaveReynolds to have a separate non-REC-Track doc on UC
Michael Hausenblas: Agree with DaveReynolds to have a separate non-REC-Track doc on UC ←
13:46:36 <mhausenblas> 1-
1- ←
13:46:38 <mhausenblas> q-
q- ←
13:46:44 <PhilA> Sounds to me as if bhyland is talking about usage guidelines?
Phil Archer: Sounds to me as if bhyland is talking about usage guidelines? ←
13:46:55 <sandro> or tutorials? not sure.
Sandro Hawke: or tutorials? not sure. ←
13:47:26 <t_gheen> bhyland: who can work on this?
Bernadette Hyland: who can work on this? [ Scribe Assist by Tina Gheen ] ←
13:47:47 <bhyland> Committment for DataCube/SDMX work offered by DaveReynolds, Richard, others?
Bernadette Hyland: Committment for DataCube/SDMX work offered by DaveReynolds, Richard, others? ←
13:47:47 <simonWall> +q
Simon Wall: +q ←
13:47:59 <bhyland> Add SimonWall to the list.
Bernadette Hyland: Add SimonWall to the list. ←
13:47:59 <mhausenblas> simonWall: count me in re UC
Simon Wall: count me in re UC ←
13:48:00 <PhilA> So the people working on the qb data are DaveReynolds, cygri, simonWall
Phil Archer: So the people working on the qb data are DaveReynolds, cygri, simonWall ←
13:48:11 <BenediktKaempgen> You can count me in also.
Benedikt Kaempgen: You can count me in also. ←
13:48:15 <t_gheen> bhyland: simonWall, DaveReynolds, cygri
Bernadette Hyland: simonWall, DaveReynolds, cygri [ Scribe Assist by Tina Gheen ] ←
13:48:32 <mhausenblas> q+
q+ ←
13:48:36 <mhausenblas> ack simonWall
ack simonWall ←
13:49:09 <DaveReynolds> zakim, mute me
Dave Reynolds: zakim, mute me ←
13:49:09 <Zakim> DaveReynolds should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: DaveReynolds should now be muted ←
13:49:19 <mhausenblas> Topic: Vocabulary Selection discussion
13:49:41 <olyerickson> is there a Skype ccall that one could be included in for video?
John Erickson: is there a Skype ccall that one could be included in for video? ←
13:49:57 <BenediktKaempgen> PhilA, can you add me, too?
Benedikt Kaempgen: PhilA, can you add me, too? ←
13:50:04 <mhausenblas> boris: Please look at the slides at http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/wiki/images/6/65/VocabularySelection.pdf
Boris Villazón-Terrazas: Please look at the slides at http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/wiki/images/6/65/VocabularySelection.pdf ←
13:50:07 <olyerickson> ...or is it only DC/Galway>?
John Erickson: ...or is it only DC/Galway>? ←
13:50:52 <PhilA> So the people working on the qb data are DaveReynolds, cygri, simonWall, mhausenblas, BenediktKaempgen
Phil Archer: So the people working on the qb data are DaveReynolds, cygri, simonWall, mhausenblas, BenediktKaempgen ←
13:52:38 <boris> http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/wiki/images/6/65/VocabularySelection.pdf
Boris Villazón-Terrazas: http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/wiki/images/6/65/VocabularySelection.pdf ←
13:53:43 <cygri> boris: starting presentation on vocabulary selection
Boris Villazón-Terrazas: starting presentation on vocabulary selection [ Scribe Assist by Richard Cyganiak ] ←
13:54:12 <cygri> ... charter says we need to provide guidelines to governments
Richard Cyganiak: ... charter says we need to provide guidelines to governments ←
13:54:44 <cygri> ... RDF requires specific domain terms in order to provide a certain domain
Richard Cyganiak: ... RDF requires specific domain terms in order to provide a certain domain ←
13:55:32 <cygri> ... modelling is important phase in data lifecycle
Richard Cyganiak: ... modelling is important phase in data lifecycle ←
13:55:33 <bhyland> ping
Bernadette Hyland: ping ←
13:55:57 <mhausenblas> pong
pong ←
13:55:58 <cygri> ... (showing different data lifecycle models, they all have a modelling phase)
Richard Cyganiak: ... (showing different data lifecycle models, they all have a modelling phase) ←
13:56:42 <cygri> ... big picture: 1. search for existing vocabularies in various search engines/repositories
Richard Cyganiak: ... big picture: 1. search for existing vocabularies in various search engines/repositories ←
13:56:53 <mhausenblas> q+ to note re suitability
q+ to note re suitability ←
13:57:04 <cygri> ... 2. if suitable is found, re-use it
Richard Cyganiak: ... 2. if suitable is found, re-use it ←
13:57:16 <cygri> ... 3. otherwise, search for suitable thesauri etc
Richard Cyganiak: ... 3. otherwise, search for suitable thesauri etc ←
13:57:39 <cygri> ... 4. if those exist, build a vocabulary by transforming these resources into RDFS
Richard Cyganiak: ... 4. if those exist, build a vocabulary by transforming these resources into RDFS ←
13:58:03 <cygri> ... 5. otherwise, build from scratch. this happens if the domain is very new or complex. but doesn't happen so often
Richard Cyganiak: ... 5. otherwise, build from scratch. this happens if the domain is very new or complex. but doesn't happen so often ←
13:58:15 <bhyland> Encourage interactivity IMO
Bernadette Hyland: Encourage interactivity IMO ←
13:58:29 <bhyland> lol, co-chairs differ ;-)
Bernadette Hyland: lol, co-chairs differ ;-) ←
13:58:36 <George> :)
George Thomas: :) ←
13:59:13 <cygri> boris: there are multiple repositories for searching vocabularies, but no one definitive
Boris Villazón-Terrazas: there are multiple repositories for searching vocabularies, but no one definitive [ Scribe Assist by Richard Cyganiak ] ←
13:59:18 <bhyland> No one central place to find a vocab is a feature, not a bug :-)
Bernadette Hyland: No one central place to find a vocab is a feature, not a bug :-) ←
13:59:39 <cygri> ... (summary table of available repositories)
Richard Cyganiak: ... (summary table of available repositories) ←
13:59:52 <mhausenblas> Michael: ontologi.es is in fact Melvin C ;)
Michael Hausenblas: ontologi.es is in fact Toby Inkster ;) ←
14:00:41 <mhausenblas> s/Melvin C/Toby Inkster
14:01:11 <cygri> boris: there are no guidelines to help developers to decide which engine/repo to use
Boris Villazón-Terrazas: there are no guidelines to help developers to decide which engine/repo to use [ Scribe Assist by Richard Cyganiak ] ←
14:01:43 <olyerickson> Note that DataFAQs <https://github.com/timrdf/DataFAQs/wiki> will soon provide a statistical vocabulary ranking service based on use in the LOD cloud. I've asked them for a statement as to how this will work. Note also that they will provide a commmunity vocab ranking service soon as well
John Erickson: Note that DataFAQs <https://github.com/timrdf/DataFAQs/wiki> will soon provide a statistical vocabulary ranking service based on use in the LOD cloud. I've asked them for a statement as to how this will work. Note also that they will provide a commmunity vocab ranking service soon as well ←
14:01:47 <mhausenblas> Michael: re relevant vocabs - ORG seems to be missing?
Michael Hausenblas: re relevant vocabs - ORG seems to be missing? ←
14:02:14 <cygri> boris: (summary list of gov-relevant vocabs)
Boris Villazón-Terrazas: (summary list of gov-relevant vocabs) [ Scribe Assist by Richard Cyganiak ] ←
14:02:15 <bhyland> @Michael, noted. I'll add.
Bernadette Hyland: @Michael, noted. I'll add. ←
14:02:23 <bhyland> This is a partial list
Bernadette Hyland: This is a partial list ←
14:02:35 <cygri> ... probably need to include a few more
Richard Cyganiak: ... probably need to include a few more ←
14:03:00 <mhausenblas> Michael: re vocabulary prefixes - my advise is simple - use prefix.cc
Michael Hausenblas: re vocabulary prefixes - my advise is simple - use prefix.cc ←
14:03:07 <cygri> ... there is a list of popular prefixes from the RDFa group
Richard Cyganiak: ... there is a list of popular prefixes from the RDFa group ←
14:03:11 <DaveReynolds> Vocabulary list: would like to see org on there :)
Dave Reynolds: Vocabulary list: would like to see org on there :) ←
14:03:24 <GofranShukair> also DOAP is missing
Gofran Shukair: also DOAP is missing ←
14:03:47 <DaveReynolds> DOAP is on the previous list
Dave Reynolds: DOAP is on the previous list ←
14:04:19 <GofranShukair> yeah sorry now i see it :(
Gofran Shukair: yeah sorry now i see it :( ←
14:04:42 <DaveReynolds> But wasn't on the prefix list I don't think.
Dave Reynolds: But wasn't on the prefix list I don't think. ←
14:04:58 <cygri> boris: (demo of LOV - http://labs.mondeca.com/dataset/lov/suggest/ )
Boris Villazón-Terrazas: (demo of LOV - http://labs.mondeca.com/dataset/lov/suggest/ ) [ Scribe Assist by Richard Cyganiak ] ←
14:05:01 <DaveReynolds> Not sure about BIBO as the one and only vocab in that area to single out, but not my field.
Dave Reynolds: Not sure about BIBO as the one and only vocab in that area to single out, but not my field. ←
14:06:05 <cygri> boris: criteria for selecting a particular vocab/ontology
Boris Villazón-Terrazas: criteria for selecting a particular vocab/ontology [ Scribe Assist by Richard Cyganiak ] ←
14:06:11 <dvilasuero> definately, if we have BIBO there we should have some other important library vocabs
Daniel Vila: definately, if we have BIBO there we should have some other important library vocabs ←
14:06:21 <mhausenblas> q?
q? ←
14:06:33 <George> LOV search - nice
George Thomas: LOV search - nice ←
14:06:36 <cygri> ... usage, maintenance, coverage, etc etc
Richard Cyganiak: ... usage, maintenance, coverage, etc etc ←
14:06:58 <cygri> ... tools for building vocabularies: neologism, protege, ...
Richard Cyganiak: ... tools for building vocabularies: neologism, protege, ... ←
14:07:31 <bhyland> q?
Bernadette Hyland: q? ←
14:07:37 <cygri> (LOV people are: Bertrand Vatant and Pierre-Yves Vandenbussche)
Richard Cyganiak: (LOV people are: Bertrand Vatant and Pierre-Yves Vandenbussche) ←
14:07:49 <BenediktKaempgen> +q
Benedikt Kaempgen: +q ←
14:07:53 <mhausenblas> ack me
ack me ←
14:07:53 <Zakim> mhausenblas, you wanted to note re suitability
Zakim IRC Bot: mhausenblas, you wanted to note re suitability ←
14:07:58 <George> ack mhausenblas
George Thomas: ack mhausenblas ←
14:08:05 <cygri> q+
Richard Cyganiak: q+ ←
14:08:17 <cygri> mhausenblas: what is “suitable”? how do you define this?
Michael Hausenblas: what is “suitable”? how do you define this? [ Scribe Assist by Richard Cyganiak ] ←
14:08:19 <George> mhausenblas: what is 'suitable'?
Michael Hausenblas: what is 'suitable'? [ Scribe Assist by George Thomas ] ←
14:08:46 <cygri> ... give concrete advice how to figure out which competing vocabulary to use
Richard Cyganiak: ... give concrete advice how to figure out which competing vocabulary to use ←
14:08:56 <cygri> ... and advice when it makes sense to build your own
Richard Cyganiak: ... and advice when it makes sense to build your own ←
14:09:09 <George> ime suitability is often a vocab combo - ie org + vcard
George Thomas: ime suitability is often a vocab combo - ie org + vcard ←
14:09:16 <cygri> ... also important for suitability: does my data sparql well if expressed in this vocab?
Richard Cyganiak: ... also important for suitability: does my data sparql well if expressed in this vocab? ←
14:09:20 <PhilA> q+ to agree with mhausenblas and add a bit more
Phil Archer: q+ to agree with mhausenblas and add a bit more ←
14:09:37 <cygri> ... existence of multiple repos/engines not a problem. they do different things
Richard Cyganiak: ... existence of multiple repos/engines not a problem. they do different things ←
14:09:45 <cygri> ... some crawl, some are curated
Richard Cyganiak: ... some crawl, some are curated ←
14:09:56 <olyerickson> I've asked DataFAQs people to compare/contrast their vocab ranking capability with LOV vocab ranking.
John Erickson: I've asked DataFAQs people to compare/contrast their vocab ranking capability with LOV vocab ranking. ←
14:09:59 <cygri> ... if we had the resources: meta search engine?
Richard Cyganiak: ... if we had the resources: meta search engine? ←
14:10:12 <George> +1 vocab metacrawler at w3
George Thomas: +1 vocab metacrawler at w3 ←
14:10:14 <cygri> ... would have value if run at W3C
Richard Cyganiak: ... would have value if run at W3C ←
14:10:50 <cygri> ... our best practice document will be frozen in time, so static lists will go out of date
Richard Cyganiak: ... our best practice document will be frozen in time, so static lists will go out of date ←
14:10:59 <olyerickson> +1 to more than vocab search; need ranking "vocabRank" or "schemaRank"
John Erickson: +1 to more than vocab search; need ranking "vocabRank" or "schemaRank" ←
14:11:01 <cygri> ... perishable info should maybe not go in there
Richard Cyganiak: ... perishable info should maybe not go in there ←
14:11:11 <BenediktKaempgen> q-
Benedikt Kaempgen: q- ←
14:11:22 <mhausenblas> q?
q? ←
14:11:25 <mhausenblas> ack cygri
ack cygri ←
14:11:33 <bhyland> The Best Practices Recommendation document will be almost "frozen" as of the publication data. The way we'll add flexibility to the Vocabs is through the community driven LOD Cookbook.
Bernadette Hyland: The Best Practices Recommendation document will be almost "frozen" as of the publication data. The way we'll add flexibility to the Vocabs is through the community driven LOD Cookbook. ←
14:11:35 <mhausenblas> cygri: Agree with Michael
Richard Cyganiak: Agree with Michael ←
14:11:55 <bhyland> +1 to Michael
Bernadette Hyland: +1 to Michael ←
14:12:12 <olyerickson> GLD recommendation for "high quality" linked data is to use widely-used, relevant vocabularies *correctly*
John Erickson: GLD recommendation for "high quality" linked data is to use widely-used, relevant vocabularies *correctly* ←
14:12:22 <mhausenblas> cygri: we should avoid to create concrete suggestions what are suitable vocabs - it's arbitrary
Richard Cyganiak: we should avoid to create concrete suggestions what are suitable vocabs - it's arbitrary ←
14:12:38 <BartvanLeeuwen> q+
Bart van Leeuwen: q+ ←
14:12:39 <George> these are two diff gld deliverables tho - selection, and recommended
George Thomas: these are two diff gld deliverables tho - selection, and recommended ←
14:12:39 <olyerickson> The question is, how to find vocabs (a) in wide use (b) whether they are relevant
John Erickson: The question is, how to find vocabs (a) in wide use (b) whether they are relevant ←
14:12:48 <DaveReynolds> +1 to Michael and Richard, W3C shouldn't be maintainer of such lists, especially not if that has implications on procurement
Dave Reynolds: +1 to Michael and Richard, W3C shouldn't be maintainer of such lists, especially not if that has implications on procurement ←
14:12:52 <GofranShukair> q+
Gofran Shukair: q+ ←
14:12:57 <mhausenblas> cygri: I'd like to see guidance on how to use the tools (check lists) to determine what is relevant, quality, etc,
Richard Cyganiak: I'd like to see guidance on how to use the tools (check lists) to determine what is relevant, quality, etc, ←
14:13:05 <mhausenblas> q?
q? ←
14:13:11 <bhyland> Cygri: For this WG, suggest that we have a basic sets of questions we ask the maintainer. We don't want to arbitrarily add vocabs.
Richard Cyganiak: For this WG, suggest that we have a basic sets of questions we ask the maintainer. We don't want to arbitrarily add vocabs. [ Scribe Assist by Bernadette Hyland ] ←
14:13:12 <olyerickson> +1 to DaveReynolds ( by default ;) )
John Erickson: +1 to DaveReynolds ( by default ;) ) ←
14:13:13 <bhyland> q+
Bernadette Hyland: q+ ←
14:13:32 <mhausenblas> boris: I agree with both Richard and Michael said
Boris Villazón-Terrazas: I agree with both Richard and Michael said ←
14:13:54 <olyerickson> I think surveys/questionaires/etc don't scale
John Erickson: I think surveys/questionaires/etc don't scale ←
14:13:55 <George> recommendation for domain agnostic - cross cutting vocabs for all GLD publishers...
George Thomas: recommendation for domain agnostic - cross cutting vocabs for all GLD publishers... ←
14:13:55 <mhausenblas> q?
q? ←
14:14:37 <cygri> bhyland: what do you mean by implications on procurement?
Bernadette Hyland: what do you mean by implications on procurement? [ Scribe Assist by Richard Cyganiak ] ←
14:14:46 <George> snapshot problem regarding procurement and inclusion on some 'list' like a gld deliverable
George Thomas: snapshot problem regarding procurement and inclusion on some 'list' like a gld deliverable ←
14:15:05 <olyerickson> I think we should leverage the presence of vocabs "in the wild" (ie LOD Cloud) to assist selection
John Erickson: I think we should leverage the presence of vocabs "in the wild" (ie LOD Cloud) to assist selection ←
14:15:50 <bhyland> q?
Bernadette Hyland: q? ←
14:16:17 <mhausenblas> ack PhilA
ack PhilA ←
14:16:17 <Zakim> PhilA, you wanted to agree with mhausenblas and add a bit more
Zakim IRC Bot: PhilA, you wanted to agree with mhausenblas and add a bit more ←
14:16:24 <cygri> mhausenblas: it's a competitive advantage if my vocab is w3c-listed and yours isn't. best practice document will be frozen in time
Michael Hausenblas: it's a competitive advantage if my vocab is w3c-listed and yours isn't. best practice document will be frozen in time [ Scribe Assist by Richard Cyganiak ] ←
14:16:39 <cygri> PhilA: here are some criteria:
Phil Archer: here are some criteria: [ Scribe Assist by Richard Cyganiak ] ←
14:16:46 <cygri> ... 1. permanence of domain name
Richard Cyganiak: ... 1. permanence of domain name ←
14:17:04 <cygri> ... for example, LOV service URL looks not permanent. that's bad.
Richard Cyganiak: ... for example, LOV service URL looks not permanent. that's bad. ←
14:17:17 <George> gov consortium mandates are nice ...
George Thomas: gov consortium mandates are nice ... ←
14:17:37 <rreck> I think we should call URLs URLs not URIs
Ronald Reck: I think we should call URLs URLs not URIs ←
14:17:41 <cygri> ... 2. change control. who's in charge of changing it?
Richard Cyganiak: ... 2. change control. who's in charge of changing it? ←
14:17:50 <mhausenblas> q+ re change control and vocab ownership
q+ re change control and vocab ownership ←
14:17:55 <cygri> ... dublin core has a large committee in charge, so changing it is hard. that's good
Richard Cyganiak: ... dublin core has a large committee in charge, so changing it is hard. that's good ←
14:18:03 <cygri> ... 3. is it actually used in the wild?
Richard Cyganiak: ... 3. is it actually used in the wild? ←
14:18:17 <bhyland> q?
Bernadette Hyland: q? ←
14:18:21 <cygri> ... we should point out these criteria even if it may be very hard to evaluate in practice
Richard Cyganiak: ... we should point out these criteria even if it may be very hard to evaluate in practice ←
14:18:26 <cygri> +1 to all PhilA said
Richard Cyganiak: +1 to all PhilA said ←
14:18:52 <cygri> BartvanLeeuwen: should also point out that local language documentation is important
Bart van Leeuwen: should also point out that local language documentation is important [ Scribe Assist by Richard Cyganiak ] ←
14:19:00 <sandro> +1 BartvanLeeuwen -- another criterion is support for multiple languages, eg in the documentation for the vocabulary
Sandro Hawke: +1 BartvanLeeuwen -- another criterion is support for multiple languages, eg in the documentation for the vocabulary ←
14:19:06 <cgueret_work> +1 too
Christophe Gueret: +1 too ←
14:19:14 <GofranShukair> +1 too
Gofran Shukair: +1 too ←
14:19:17 <cygri> ... ideally, vocabularies should have documentation in multiple languages
Richard Cyganiak: ... ideally, vocabularies should have documentation in multiple languages ←
14:19:19 <cgueret_work> vocabs should be properly described in several languages
Christophe Gueret: vocabs should be properly described in several languages ←
14:19:51 <George> q?
George Thomas: q? ←
14:20:06 <George> ack BartvanLeeuwen
George Thomas: ack BartvanLeeuwen ←
14:20:27 <mhausenblas> Michael: We need to distinguish between vocab discovery and vocab creation guidelines, I believe
Michael Hausenblas: We need to distinguish between vocab discovery and vocab creation guidelines, I believe ←
14:20:49 <cygri> boris: most vocabs are english but governments speak all sorts of languages. we have work in progress on how to express multilingual vocabs on the web of data
Boris Villazón-Terrazas: most vocabs are english but governments speak all sorts of languages. we have work in progress on how to express multilingual vocabs on the web of data [ Scribe Assist by Richard Cyganiak ] ←
14:21:05 <George> GofranShukair: ADMS
Gofran Shukair: ADMS [ Scribe Assist by George Thomas ] ←
14:21:12 <cygri> GofranShukair: ADMS describes semantic assets. that includes vocabularies
Gofran Shukair: ADMS describes semantic assets. that includes vocabularies [ Scribe Assist by Richard Cyganiak ] ←
14:21:19 <GofranShukair> http://joinup.ec.europa.eu/asset/adms/home
Gofran Shukair: http://joinup.ec.europa.eu/asset/adms/home ←
14:21:37 <George> ack GofranShukair
George Thomas: ack GofranShukair ←
14:21:45 <cygri> ... we describe� metadata, incl language
Richard Cyganiak: ... we describe� metadata, incl language ←
14:21:50 <cygri> ... ready for review
Richard Cyganiak: ... ready for review ←
14:22:06 <cygri> q?
Richard Cyganiak: q? ←
14:22:18 <mhausenblas> ack bhyland
ack bhyland ←
14:22:20 <George> ack bhyland
George Thomas: ack bhyland ←
14:22:48 <boris> I can take the action
Boris Villazón-Terrazas: I can take the action ←
14:23:08 <cgueret_work> will be pleased to contribute with French concerns
Christophe Gueret: will be pleased to contribute with French concerns ←
14:23:19 <mhausenblas> ACTION: boris to create a Wiki page on multi-lingualism of vocabs
ACTION: boris to create a Wiki page on multi-lingualism of vocabs ←
14:23:19 <trackbot> Created ACTION-31 - Create a Wiki page on multi-lingualism of vocabs [on Boris Villazón-Terrazas - due 2012-02-01].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-31 - Create a Wiki page on multi-lingualism of vocabs [on Boris Villazón-Terrazas - due 2012-02-01]. ←
14:23:20 <cygri> bhyland: multilingual issues are important. awareness should be raised. please, write a blurb on this
Bernadette Hyland: multilingual issues are important. awareness should be raised. please, write a blurb on this [ Scribe Assist by Richard Cyganiak ] ←
14:23:20 <GofranShukair> http://joinup.ec.europa.eu/asset/adms/home
Gofran Shukair: http://joinup.ec.europa.eu/asset/adms/home ←
14:23:55 <cygri> q+
Richard Cyganiak: q+ ←
14:24:18 <olyerickson> In addition to the multilingual vocab issue, there is the multilingual instance data issue --- english predicates but literals in other languages.
John Erickson: In addition to the multilingual vocab issue, there is the multilingual instance data issue --- english predicates but literals in other languages. ←
14:24:20 <cygri> bhyland: having criteria for inclusion of vocabularies is important. let us draft a list of vocabularies.
Bernadette Hyland: having criteria for inclusion of vocabularies is important. let us draft a list of vocabularies. [ Scribe Assist by Richard Cyganiak ] ←
14:24:45 <mhausenblas> q?
q? ←
14:24:53 <cygri> ... where is it hosted? university? production system? what's the institution's commitment to maintenance?
Richard Cyganiak: ... where is it hosted? university? production system? what's the institution's commitment to maintenance? ←
14:25:43 <cygri> ... we should work on such a checklist over the next two days
Richard Cyganiak: ... we should work on such a checklist over the next two days ←
14:25:44 <sandro> +1000
Sandro Hawke: +1000 ←
14:25:45 <cgueret_work> +1
Christophe Gueret: +1 ←
14:25:47 <mhausenblas> Michael: we should maybe also talk about vocab management (what is the process to add new terms? who owns the namespace? hit-by-truck scenario)
Michael Hausenblas: we should maybe also talk about vocab management (what is the process to add new terms? who owns the namespace? hit-by-truck scenario) ←
14:25:53 <George> ack mhausenblas
George Thomas: ack mhausenblas ←
14:25:53 <Zakim> mhausenblas, you wanted to discuss change control and vocab ownership
Zakim IRC Bot: mhausenblas, you wanted to discuss change control and vocab ownership ←
14:26:17 <PhilA> +1 to bernadette's suggestions for capturing criteria for vocab selection
Phil Archer: +1 to bernadette's suggestions for capturing criteria for vocab selection ←
14:26:23 <cygri> mhausenblas: there can be issues around ownership of namespace, hit by bus risk etc
Michael Hausenblas: there can be issues around ownership of namespace, hit by bus risk etc [ Scribe Assist by Richard Cyganiak ] ←
14:26:37 <rreck> +1 namespace ownership problems
Ronald Reck: +1 namespace ownership problems ←
14:26:42 <George> mhausenblas: namespace ownership, distinguish btw discovery, management, creation advice - more will discover than create -
Michael Hausenblas: namespace ownership, distinguish btw discovery, management, creation advice - more will discover than create - [ Scribe Assist by George Thomas ] ←
14:26:46 <cygri> ... need to distinguish between vocabulary search and vocabulary creation. different issues
Richard Cyganiak: ... need to distinguish between vocabulary search and vocabulary creation. different issues ←
14:26:49 <sandro> +1 bhyland: during these two days let's start the checklist of things people need to look for in deciding whether a vocab is good enough, such as stability, domain name, point of contact, etc.
Sandro Hawke: +1 bhyland: during these two days let's start the checklist of things people need to look for in deciding whether a vocab is good enough, such as stability, domain name, point of contact, etc. ←
14:27:13 <rreck> I have had commercial clients unwilling to use existing namespaces because of copyright exposure
Ronald Reck: I have had commercial clients unwilling to use existing namespaces because of copyright exposure ←
14:27:25 <cygri> ... experience shows that something can start informally and move to something more formal, e.g. story of VoID
Richard Cyganiak: ... experience shows that something can start informally and move to something more formal, e.g. story of VoID ←
14:27:26 <PhilA> PhilA: notes that danbri has solved the "what happens if I go under a bus" issue through an agreement with DCMI (so FOAF is as stable as DC)
Phil Archer: notes that danbri has solved the "what happens if I go under a bus" issue through an agreement with DCMI (so FOAF is as stable as DC) [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ] ←
14:27:29 <sandro> ( I don't think bhland said we should produce a list of vocabs. )
Sandro Hawke: ( I don't think bhland said we should produce a list of vocabs. ) ←
14:27:57 <sandro> q?
Sandro Hawke: q? ←
14:28:02 <cygri> ... so we can say there's a process that can take you from informal work to something permanent and fit for purpose
Richard Cyganiak: ... so we can say there's a process that can take you from informal work to something permanent and fit for purpose ←
14:28:28 <sandro> q+ to suggest the document include fears/nightmare-scenarios
Sandro Hawke: q+ to suggest the document include fears/nightmare-scenarios ←
14:28:33 <George> q?
George Thomas: q? ←
14:28:57 <cygri> mhausenblas: i like checklists
Michael Hausenblas: i like checklists [ Scribe Assist by Richard Cyganiak ] ←
14:29:02 <rreck> +1
Ronald Reck: +1 ←
14:29:12 <mhausenblas> +1 to sandro's ' fears/nightmare-scenarios'
+1 to sandro's ' fears/nightmare-scenarios' ←
14:30:01 <sandro> charter quote: "Vocabulary Selection. The group will provide advice on how governments should select RDF vocabulary terms (URIs), including advice as to when they should mint their own. This advice will take into account issues of stability, security, and long-term maintenance commitment, as well as other factors that may arise during the group's work."
Sandro Hawke: charter quote: "Vocabulary Selection. The group will provide advice on how governments should select RDF vocabulary terms (URIs), including advice as to when they should mint their own. This advice will take into account issues of stability, security, and long-term maintenance commitment, as well as other factors that may arise during the group's work." ←
14:30:52 <sandro> +1 cygri: don't list vocabs, just list how to evaluate vocabs
Sandro Hawke: +1 cygri: don't list vocabs, just list how to evaluate vocabs ←
14:30:55 <mhausenblas> Michael: Does the WG interpret this in the sense of 'we provide checklist how to' or rather 'list concrete vocabs'?
Michael Hausenblas: Does the WG interpret this in the sense of 'we provide checklist how to' or rather 'list concrete vocabs'? ←
14:31:06 <mhausenblas> Michael: I'd very much prefer the former
Michael Hausenblas: I'd very much prefer the former ←
14:31:20 <George> cygri: lists of recommended vocabs in bp vocab selection? instead, criteria list for selection - then there's std vocabs for cross cutting GLD publisher concerns - nice delineation
Richard Cyganiak: lists of recommended vocabs in bp vocab selection? instead, criteria list for selection - then there's std vocabs for cross cutting GLD publisher concerns - nice delineation [ Scribe Assist by George Thomas ] ←
14:31:32 <mhausenblas> +1
+1 ←
14:31:47 <simonWall> +1
Simon Wall: +1 ←
14:31:50 <mhausenblas> q?
q? ←
14:31:52 <mhausenblas> ack cygri
ack cygri ←
14:31:57 <PhilA> q+ to make 2 suggestions for vocab selection if you want me to, or I'll park it if time is short
Phil Archer: q+ to make 2 suggestions for vocab selection if you want me to, or I'll park it if time is short ←
14:32:06 <cygri> sandro: i agree. arbitrary lists would be a problem
Sandro Hawke: i agree. arbitrary lists would be a problem [ Scribe Assist by Richard Cyganiak ] ←
14:32:07 <DaveReynolds> +1 to cygri, criteria not lists
Dave Reynolds: +1 to cygri, criteria not lists ←
14:32:26 <cygri> sandro: we might explain that criteria list in terms of "nightmare scenarios"
Sandro Hawke: we might explain that criteria list in terms of "nightmare scenarios" [ Scribe Assist by Richard Cyganiak ] ←
14:32:29 <George> sandro: how to write this 'checklist' - nice to explain in terms of issues/challenges (fears/nightmare-scenarios)
Sandro Hawke: how to write this 'checklist' - nice to explain in terms of issues/challenges (fears/nightmare-scenarios) [ Scribe Assist by George Thomas ] ←
14:32:38 <George> +1 cygri
George Thomas: +1 cygri ←
14:32:49 <cygri> ... "here are possible things that could go wrong. check how the vocabulary or its maintainers deals with that"
Richard Cyganiak: ... "here are possible things that could go wrong. check how the vocabulary or its maintainers deals with that" ←
14:33:03 <George> q?
George Thomas: q? ←
14:33:04 <cygri> ... this would bring it to life
Richard Cyganiak: ... this would bring it to life ←
14:33:21 <cygri> bhyland: i agree but can we put a positive spin on it?
Bernadette Hyland: i agree but can we put a positive spin on it? [ Scribe Assist by Richard Cyganiak ] ←
14:33:23 <George> ack sandro
George Thomas: ack sandro ←
14:33:23 <Zakim> sandro, you wanted to suggest the document include fears/nightmare-scenarios
Zakim IRC Bot: sandro, you wanted to suggest the document include fears/nightmare-scenarios ←
14:33:35 <cygri> PhilA: for the record: it would be horrible if danbri was hit by a bus.
Phil Archer: for the record: it would be horrible if danbri was hit by a bus. [ Scribe Assist by Richard Cyganiak ] ←
14:33:36 <George> ack PhilA
George Thomas: ack PhilA ←
14:33:36 <Zakim> PhilA, you wanted to make 2 suggestions for vocab selection if you want me to, or I'll park it if time is short
Zakim IRC Bot: PhilA, you wanted to make 2 suggestions for vocab selection if you want me to, or I'll park it if time is short ←
14:33:37 <George> q?
George Thomas: q? ←
14:33:59 <cygri> PhilA: national part of domains matter
Phil Archer: national part of domains matter [ Scribe Assist by Richard Cyganiak ] ←
14:34:09 <cygri> ... but you can use .us in .ie
Richard Cyganiak: ... but you can use .us in .ie ←
14:34:15 <cygri> q+
Richard Cyganiak: q+ ←
14:34:21 <cgueret_work> +1 to PhilA
Christophe Gueret: +1 to PhilA ←
14:34:38 <cygri> ... multilingual: want to use dublin core in finnish? don't reinvent it. provide a translation with finnish labels
Richard Cyganiak: ... multilingual: want to use dublin core in finnish? don't reinvent it. provide a translation with finnish labels ←
14:34:40 <BartvanLeeuwen> +1 to PhilA
Bart van Leeuwen: +1 to PhilA ←
14:35:24 <George> ack cygri
George Thomas: ack cygri ←
14:35:30 <George> cygri: +1 provide labels for existing vocab/namespace
Richard Cyganiak: +1 provide labels for existing vocab/namespace [ Scribe Assist by George Thomas ] ←
14:35:46 <rreck> we should mention Z39.19?
Ronald Reck: we should mention Z39.19? ←
14:36:02 <George> ... common issue/problem/mistake
George Thomas: ... common issue/problem/mistake ←
14:36:03 <simonWall> The Finnish National Library maintains the Finnish version of Dublin Core...
Simon Wall: The Finnish National Library maintains the Finnish version of Dublin Core... ←
14:36:03 <rreck> skos
Ronald Reck: skos ←
14:36:27 <George> mhausenblas: label as 'quality requirement'
Michael Hausenblas: label as 'quality requirement' [ Scribe Assist by George Thomas ] ←
14:36:29 <cygri> mhausenblas: some quality criteria can be expressed as sparql queries
Michael Hausenblas: some quality criteria can be expressed as sparql queries [ Scribe Assist by Richard Cyganiak ] ←
14:36:33 <cygri> ... for example presence of labels
Richard Cyganiak: ... for example presence of labels ←
14:36:38 <George> q?
George Thomas: q? ←
14:36:51 <PhilA> PhilA: chose Finnish at random - but good to see that my entirely random choice is ahead of the game, simonWall
Phil Archer: chose Finnish at random - but good to see that my entirely random choice is ahead of the game, simonWall [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ] ←
14:37:30 <cygri> ACTION: mhausenblas to compile first version of vocabulary selection quality checklist
ACTION: mhausenblas to compile first version of vocabulary selection quality checklist ←
14:37:31 <trackbot> Created ACTION-32 - Compile first version of vocabulary selection quality checklist [on Michael Hausenblas - due 2012-02-01].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-32 - Compile first version of vocabulary selection quality checklist [on Michael Hausenblas - due 2012-02-01]. ←
14:37:47 <DaveReynolds> Having the label in the URI for vocab terms is a multi-language issue for some folks. There is genuine argument on both sides whether opaque URIs + labels in all languages is better than having one preferred language reflected in the URIs.
Dave Reynolds: Having the label in the URI for vocab terms is a multi-language issue for some folks. There is genuine argument on both sides whether opaque URIs + labels in all languages is better than having one preferred language reflected in the URIs. ←
14:37:59 <mhausenblas> Michael: Z39.19 sounds interesting indeed, thanks rreck!
Michael Hausenblas: Z39.19 sounds interesting indeed, thanks rreck! ←
14:38:05 <simonWall> Point taken (I googled that one; I do know that the New Zealand National Library maintains the Maori version of DC though.)
Simon Wall: Point taken (I googled that one; I do know that the New Zealand National Library maintains the Maori version of DC though.) ←
14:38:19 <cygri> ACTION-31?
Richard Cyganiak: ACTION-31? ←
14:38:19 <trackbot> ACTION-31 -- Boris Villazón-Terrazas to create a Wiki page on multi-lingualism of vocabs -- due 2012-02-01 -- OPEN
Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-31 -- Boris Villazón-Terrazas to create a Wiki page on multi-lingualism of vocabs -- due 2012-02-01 -- OPEN ←
14:38:19 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/track/actions/31
Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/track/actions/31 ←
14:38:20 <dvilasuero> *mhausenblas: i could help with that action
Daniel Vila: *mhausenblas: i could help with that action ←
14:38:56 <Zakim> +sandro.a
Zakim IRC Bot: +sandro.a ←
14:39:05 <rreck> i have done alot of work with z39.19 and multi-lingual representation
Ronald Reck: i have done alot of work with z39.19 and multi-lingual representation ←
14:39:07 <Zakim> -sandro
Zakim IRC Bot: -sandro ←
14:39:32 <cygri> DaveReynolds, do you have some pointers re multilingual URIs? would be good to include the debate in that wiki page
Richard Cyganiak: DaveReynolds, do you have some pointers re multilingual URIs? would be good to include the debate in that wiki page ←
14:40:32 <cygri> topic: Legacy Data
14:40:41 <SpyrosKotoulas> http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/wiki/File:LegacyData.pdf
Spyros Kotoulas: http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/wiki/File:LegacyData.pdf ←
14:41:07 <cygri> scribenick: BenediktKaempgen
(Scribe set to Benedikt Kaempgen)
14:41:34 <DaveReynolds> cygri: would have to dig, the OBO world has best practice advice on using opaque URIs which might be relevant. Also I have annedotal evidence though would need to be circumspect about to phrase that in public :)
Richard Cyganiak: would have to dig, the OBO world has best practice advice on using opaque URIs which might be relevant. Also I have annedotal evidence though would need to be circumspect about how to phrase that in public :) [ Scribe Assist by Dave Reynolds ] ←
14:41:34 <BenediktKaempgen> Spyros: On Dublin data rdfized to RDF
Spyros Kotoulas: On Dublin data rdfized to RDF ←
14:41:49 <DaveReynolds> s/about/about how/
14:42:24 <mhausenblas> q+ on the term 'legacy data'
Michael Hausenblas: q+ on the term 'legacy data' ←
14:42:28 <BenediktKaempgen> ... what is legacy data? Is gov supposed to transform all data (e..g., pdfs, scan, xsl)?
... what is legacy data? Is gov supposed to transform all data (e..g., pdfs, scan, xsl)? ←
14:42:45 <BenediktKaempgen> ... most data from relational db
... most data from relational db ←
14:42:50 <dvilasuero> cygri: we also have a paper for las dc conf on multilingual URIs
Richard Cyganiak: we also have a paper for las dc conf on multilingual URIs [ Scribe Assist by Daniel Vila ] ←
14:43:07 <dvilasuero> where we review obo and others
Daniel Vila: where we review obo and others ←
14:43:30 <BenediktKaempgen> ... often also: geo data, temporal data (statistics), record oriented relational data (e.g., about citizens)
... often also: geo data, temporal data (statistics), record oriented relational data (e.g., about citizens) ←
14:43:46 <PhilA> Spyros' slides are now linked from the agenda
Phil Archer: Spyros' slides are now linked from the agenda ←
14:44:24 <PhilA> scribe: BenediktKaempgen
14:45:02 <mhausenblas> q+ re prioritisation of data sources - demand driven
Michael Hausenblas: q+ re prioritisation of data sources - demand driven ←
14:45:22 <BenediktKaempgen> ... concerns: privacy issues (who can assess whether something is privacy sensitive?), how much to publish (efficiently, considering the costs), ...
... concerns: privacy issues (who can assess whether something is privacy sensitive?), how much to publish (efficiently, considering the costs), ... ←
14:46:26 <bhyland> ping
Bernadette Hyland: ping ←
14:46:27 <BenediktKaempgen> ... considering risks with opening up data; how about institutions that are not quite government
... considering risks with opening up data; how about institutions that are not quite government ←
14:47:00 <bhyland> Sorry is this is a repeat, per the charter on legacy data: "Legacy Data. The group will produce specific advice concerning how to expose legacy data, data which is being maintained in pre-existing (non-linked-data) systems.
Bernadette Hyland: Sorry is this is a repeat, per the charter on legacy data: "Legacy Data. The group will produce specific advice concerning how to expose legacy data, data which is being maintained in pre-existing (non-linked-data) systems. ←
14:47:25 <BenediktKaempgen> ... also technical issues: architecture, what visualizations (applications consuming data), how to facilitate use by non-experts
... also technical issues: architecture, what visualizations (applications consuming data), how to facilitate use by non-experts ←
14:47:46 <George> q?
George Thomas: q? ←
14:48:21 <BenediktKaempgen> ... how to automate such processes
... how to automate such processes ←
14:48:58 <BenediktKaempgen> ... how to provide guidance/template/references/cookbook for processes
... how to provide guidance/template/references/cookbook for processes ←
14:49:16 <DaveReynolds> q+ to ask what makes this 'legacy'
Dave Reynolds: q+ to ask what makes this 'legacy' ←
14:49:30 <BenediktKaempgen> ... transforming data into RDF often possible but might be awkward
... transforming data into RDF often possible but might be awkward ←
14:49:39 <bhyland> q?
Bernadette Hyland: q? ←
14:49:48 <mhausenblas> ack me
Michael Hausenblas: ack me ←
14:49:48 <Zakim> mhausenblas, you wanted to comment on the term 'legacy data' and to discuss prioritisation of data sources - demand driven
Zakim IRC Bot: mhausenblas, you wanted to comment on the term 'legacy data' and to discuss prioritisation of data sources - demand driven ←
14:50:33 <olyerickson> I think we should consider referring to "data life cycle" ala http://www.ddialliance.org/what (DDI Alliance)
John Erickson: I think we should consider referring to "data life cycle" ala http://www.ddialliance.org/what (DDI Alliance) ←
14:50:40 <BenediktKaempgen> mhausenblas: two reactions: term legacy data, maybe we should use a different term (e.g., raw data)
Michael Hausenblas: two reactions: term legacy data, maybe we should use a different term (e.g., raw data) ←
14:51:44 <olyerickson> I think the core question is, what best practices for data life cycle management should this group make that pertain to GLD?
John Erickson: I think the core question is, what best practices for data life cycle management should this group make that pertain to GLD? ←
14:51:52 <BenediktKaempgen> ... Secondly, question always: where to start publishing data? Uptake then further drives publishing process. User-pull rather than publisher-push.
... Secondly, question always: where to start publishing data? Uptake then further drives publishing process. User-pull rather than publisher-push. ←
14:52:36 <bhyland> q?
Bernadette Hyland: q? ←
14:52:43 <PhilA> ack DaveReynolds
Phil Archer: ack DaveReynolds ←
14:52:43 <DaveReynolds> ack me
Dave Reynolds: ack me ←
14:52:44 <Zakim> DaveReynolds, you wanted to ask what makes this 'legacy'
Zakim IRC Bot: DaveReynolds, you wanted to ask what makes this 'legacy' ←
14:52:51 <George> me thinks we're talking about exposing RDB's ergo R2RML
George Thomas: me thinks we're talking about exposing RDB's ergo R2RML ←
14:53:02 <cygri> q+
Richard Cyganiak: q+ ←
14:53:20 <mhausenblas> Michael: re multimedia interlinking see http://events.linkeddata.org/ldow2009/papers/ldow2009_paper17.pdf
Michael Hausenblas: re multimedia interlinking see http://events.linkeddata.org/ldow2009/papers/ldow2009_paper17.pdf [ Scribe Assist by Michael Hausenblas ] ←
14:53:28 <BenediktKaempgen> DaveReynolds: RDF can walk along "legacy"/raw data
Dave Reynolds: RDF can walk along "legacy"/raw data ←
14:53:32 <mhausenblas> q?
Michael Hausenblas: q? ←
14:53:54 <BenediktKaempgen> ... Representing key parts in raw data/legacy is difficult.
... Representing key parts in raw data/legacy is difficult. ←
14:54:42 <DaveReynolds> zakim, mute me
Dave Reynolds: zakim, mute me ←
14:54:42 <Zakim> DaveReynolds should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: DaveReynolds should now be muted ←
14:54:46 <George> +1 - exposing these existing/emerging W3 works for this
George Thomas: +1 - exposing these existing/emerging W3 works for this ←
14:54:50 <bhyland> q?
Bernadette Hyland: q? ←
14:54:51 <George> q?
George Thomas: q? ←
14:54:56 <BenediktKaempgen> Richard: We should list related work (R2RML, M, Griddle, xslt...)
Richard Cyganiak: We should list related work (R2RML, M, Griddle, xslt...) ←
14:54:56 <bhyland> q?
Bernadette Hyland: q? ←
14:55:01 <mhausenblas> cygri: There are a number of existing W3C standards that already address the transformation part (R2RML, GRDDL, etc.)
Richard Cyganiak: There are a number of existing W3C standards that already address the transformation part (R2RML, GRDDL, etc.) [ Scribe Assist by Michael Hausenblas ] ←
14:55:08 <cygri> ack me
Richard Cyganiak: ack me ←
14:55:18 <olyerickson> I think the real issue is how to integrate LD best practices with your existing data life cycle management infrastructure
John Erickson: I think the real issue is how to integrate LD best practices with your existing data life cycle management infrastructure ←
14:55:37 <mhausenblas> +1 to what olyerickson
Michael Hausenblas: +1 to what olyerickson said ←
14:55:38 <t_gheen> bhyland: Spyros points out how broad the description of legacy data is in the charter
Bernadette Hyland: Spyros points out how broad the description of legacy data is in the charter [ Scribe Assist by Tina Gheen ] ←
14:55:47 <t_gheen> ... we should set some boundaries
Tina Gheen: ... we should set some boundaries ←
14:55:48 <dvilasuero> +1 olyericksson
Daniel Vila: +1 olyericksson ←
14:55:50 <BenediktKaempgen> Bhyland: How to bound this topic?
Bernadette Hyland: How to bound this topic? ←
14:55:52 <mhausenblas> s/what olyerickson/what olyerickson said
14:55:52 <cygri> +1 to byhland. bounding is important
Richard Cyganiak: +1 to byhland. bounding is important ←
14:55:53 <mhausenblas> 1+
Michael Hausenblas: 1+ ←
14:55:56 <mhausenblas> q+
Michael Hausenblas: q+ ←
14:56:13 <mhausenblas> Michael: Scope should be on W3C standards and then expand
Michael Hausenblas: Scope should be on W3C standards and then expand [ Scribe Assist by Michael Hausenblas ] ←
14:56:31 <bhyland> q?
Bernadette Hyland: q? ←
14:56:38 <mhausenblas> ack me
Michael Hausenblas: ack me ←
14:56:41 <olyerickson> @bhyland please re-state what to take a stab at...
John Erickson: @bhyland please re-state what to take a stab at... ←
14:56:46 <BenediktKaempgen> Topic: Legacy Data discussion
14:57:22 <bhyland> bhyland: the charter is very broad in the description of what is to be included in the "Legacy" section of the BP Recommendation.
Bernadette Hyland: the charter is very broad in the description of what is to be included in the "Legacy" section of the BP Recommendation. [ Scribe Assist by Bernadette Hyland ] ←
14:57:28 <BenediktKaempgen> mhausenblas: What resources are available?
Michael Hausenblas: What resources are available? ←
14:57:42 <cygri> q+
Richard Cyganiak: q+ ←
14:57:55 <bhyland> We need to bound it. Suggest we put some lines in the sand as to what is "in" and we'll be able to reasonably do within the next 6 mos in this WG.
Bernadette Hyland: We need to bound it. Suggest we put some lines in the sand as to what is "in" and we'll be able to reasonably do within the next 6 mos in this WG. ←
14:58:09 <George> mhausenblas: IBM Biplav/Spiros resource committment to drive expeccted 'legacy' contribution
Michael Hausenblas: IBM Biplav/Spiros resource committment to drive expeccted 'legacy' contribution [ Scribe Assist by George Thomas ] ←
14:58:35 <PhilA> q+
Phil Archer: q+ ←
14:58:37 <bhyland> Spyros is here on behalf of IBM and is an invited guest of the F2F. Thus, he cannot make make committments for IBM to this WG.
Bernadette Hyland: Spyros is here on behalf of IBM and is an invited guest of the F2F. Thus, he cannot make make committments for IBM to this WG. ←
14:59:33 <mhausenblas> q?
Michael Hausenblas: q? ←
14:59:35 <cygri> mhausenblas: if we go for a broad interpretation of this topic, then we need people and volunteers
Michael Hausenblas: if we go for a broad interpretation of this topic, then we need people and volunteers [ Scribe Assist by Richard Cyganiak ] ←
14:59:50 <mhausenblas> ack cygri
Michael Hausenblas: ack cygri ←
15:00:14 <BenediktKaempgen> cygri: Agree with boundaries. Good starting point would be W3C standards.
Richard Cyganiak: Agree with boundaries. Good starting point would be W3C standards. ←
15:00:24 <PhilA> q-
Phil Archer: q- ←
15:00:53 <rreck> better arbitrary than nothing?
Ronald Reck: better arbitrary than nothing? ←
15:00:55 <BenediktKaempgen> cygri: E.g., it would be helpful to describe tools. Risk to be arbitrary with inclusion.
Richard Cyganiak: E.g., it would be helpful to describe tools. Risk to be arbitrary with inclusion. ←
15:01:09 <mhausenblas> q+ re tools
Michael Hausenblas: q+ re tools ←
15:01:17 <George> cygri: standards, tools, approaches
Richard Cyganiak: standards, tools, approaches [ Scribe Assist by George Thomas ] ←
15:01:39 <BenediktKaempgen> cygri: Also useful to describe approaches, e.g., for modelling.
Richard Cyganiak: Also useful to describe approaches, e.g., for modelling. ←
15:01:47 <olyerickson> Hmmm...this is the first time I realized we were talking about CONVERSION
John Erickson: Hmmm...this is the first time I realized we were talking about CONVERSION ←
15:02:07 <George> q?
George Thomas: q? ←
15:02:11 <BenediktKaempgen> ... There should be experiences in WG to give recommendations on such processes.
... There should be experiences in WG to give recommendations on such processes. ←
15:02:13 <mhausenblas> Michael: Against listing tools explicit, but rather provide examples of tool catalogs such as found http://www4.wiwiss.fu-berlin.de/latc/toollibrary/ and a http://www.planet-data.eu/results/datasets-and-tools
Michael Hausenblas: Against listing tools explicit, but rather provide examples of tool catalogs such as found http://www4.wiwiss.fu-berlin.de/latc/toollibrary/ and a http://www.planet-data.eu/results/datasets-and-tools [ Scribe Assist by Michael Hausenblas ] ←
15:02:16 <George> ack mhausenblas
George Thomas: ack mhausenblas ←
15:02:16 <Zakim> mhausenblas, you wanted to discuss tools
Zakim IRC Bot: mhausenblas, you wanted to discuss tools ←
15:02:18 <DeirdreLee> q+
Deirdre Lee: q+ ←
15:02:35 <bhyland_> We have some of the content Cygri is describing in the current LOD cookbook, especially as it relates to the auto conversion vs. human-involved modeling.
Bernadette Hyland: We have some of the content Cygri is describing in the current LOD cookbook, especially as it relates to the auto conversion vs. human-involved modeling. ←
15:02:45 <bhyland_> q?
Bernadette Hyland: q? ←
15:02:49 <rreck> +1 point at the wiki makes good sense
Ronald Reck: +1 point at the wiki makes good sense ←
15:03:02 <BenediktKaempgen> mhausenblas: Problem with tools is that they can get outdated.
Michael Hausenblas: Problem with tools is that they can get outdated. ←
15:03:04 <cygri> olyerickson: i converted a price from dollars to pounds recently
John Erickson: i converted a price from dollars to pounds recently [ Scribe Assist by Richard Cyganiak ] ←
15:03:21 <BenediktKaempgen> ... Similar to Vocabulary case, have a checklist.
... Similar to Vocabulary case, have a checklist. ←
15:03:37 <bhyland_> MichaelH: His bias is on describing checklist approach rather than a specific list of tools which will become dated over time.
Michael Hausenblas: His bias is on describing checklist approach rather than a specific list of tools which will become dated over time. [ Scribe Assist by Bernadette Hyland ] ←
15:03:43 <olyerickson> @cygri that's the "right" direction, isn't it?
John Erickson: @cygri that's the "right" direction, isn't it? ←
15:03:45 <cygri> q+
Richard Cyganiak: q+ ←
15:03:48 <mhausenblas> q?
Michael Hausenblas: q? ←
15:03:54 <mhausenblas> ack DeirdreLee
Michael Hausenblas: ack DeirdreLee ←
15:03:56 <bhyland_> ack DeidreLee
Bernadette Hyland: ack DeidreLee ←
15:04:27 <BenediktKaempgen> DeirdreLee: Agrees with not describing tools. But in case of vocabularies makes sense.
Deirdre Lee: Agrees with not describing tools. But in case of vocabularies makes sense. ←
15:04:54 <olyerickson> q+
John Erickson: q+ ←
15:05:24 <BenediktKaempgen> ... Users demands would help with legacy issues.
... Users demands would help with legacy issues. ←
15:05:30 <PhilA> ack cygri
Phil Archer: ack cygri ←
15:06:47 <BenediktKaempgen> cygri: Agrees with seeing transforming legacy data as a process that needs to be a compromise of effort and benefit. Start with metadata, concept schemes, and later go on with the acutal raw data. Looking at users will really be useful.
Richard Cyganiak: Agrees with seeing transforming legacy data as a process that needs to be a compromise of effort and benefit. Start with metadata, concept schemes, and later go on with the acutal raw data. Looking at users will really be useful. ←
15:07:02 <DeirdreLee> q?
Deirdre Lee: q? ←
15:07:04 <stasinos> cf. http://users.iit.demokritos.gr/~konstant/
Stasinos Konstantopoulos: cf. http://users.iit.demokritos.gr/~konstant/ ←
15:07:06 <DeirdreLee> q+
Deirdre Lee: q+ ←
15:07:43 <bhyland_> cygri: Handling legacy AKA "raw data" has some logical starting points and (could go on infinitely). Address misconceptions about converting to RDF as an "augmentation" to existing system. Others convert to RDF and that is it.
Richard Cyganiak: Handling legacy AKA "raw data" has some logical starting points and (could go on infinitely). Address misconceptions about converting to RDF as an "augmentation" to existing system. Others convert to RDF and that is it. [ Scribe Assist by Bernadette Hyland ] ←
15:07:46 <olyerickson> +1 to cygri
John Erickson: +1 to cygri ←
15:07:49 <PhilA> ack olyerickson
Phil Archer: ack olyerickson ←
15:07:56 <BenediktKaempgen> ... Important w.r.t. legacy data: What does it actually mean? What does it implicate? Regarding on the situation, specific approaches may make more sense than others (e.g., transformaing most data into RDF).
... Important w.r.t. legacy data: What does it actually mean? What does it implicate? Regarding on the situation, specific approaches may make more sense than others (e.g., transformaing most data into RDF). ←
15:08:35 <Zakim> +??P10
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P10 ←
15:08:44 <mhausenblas> q+ to ask if we can agree on a term now, please? should we use original data? source data?
Michael Hausenblas: q+ to ask if we can agree on a term now, please? should we use original data? source data? ←
15:08:50 <stasinos> Zakim, ??P10 is stasinos
Stasinos Konstantopoulos: Zakim, ??P10 is stasinos ←
15:08:50 <Zakim> +stasinos; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +stasinos; got it ←
15:09:23 <mhausenblas> Michael: Suggest to think along TimBL's 5 star scheme http://5stardata.info/
Michael Hausenblas: Suggest to think along TimBL's 5 star scheme http://5stardata.info/ [ Scribe Assist by Michael Hausenblas ] ←
15:09:28 <mhausenblas> q?
Michael Hausenblas: q? ←
15:09:57 <BenediktKaempgen> olyerickson: Discussion about legacy is not usefull if not seen from perspective of a certain scenario. Best-practice they need is to continuously manage their data.
John Erickson: Discussion about legacy is not usefull if not seen from perspective of a certain scenario. Best-practice they need is to continuously manage their data. ←
15:10:11 <George> Refine+DERI_extensions and R2RML covers 80% of the GLD publisher waterfront afaic - i'd love to see standards, tools, approaches covering spreadsheets and RDB's
George Thomas: Refine+DERI_extensions and R2RML covers 80% of the GLD publisher waterfront afaic - i'd love to see standards, tools, approaches covering spreadsheets and RDB's ←
15:10:21 <cygri> olyerickson, i didn't see the link you mentioned?
Richard Cyganiak: olyerickson, i didn't see the link you mentioned? ←
15:10:33 <rreck> +1 concrete examples are essential
Ronald Reck: +1 concrete examples are essential ←
15:10:34 <DaveReynolds> +1 to olyerikson - focus on Linked Data as an access approach and how it ties in to existing data management practice, avoid terms like "legacy"
Dave Reynolds: +1 to olyerikson - focus on Linked Data as an access approach and how it ties in to existing data management practice, avoid terms like "legacy" ←
15:10:38 <BenediktKaempgen> ... Life examples of tools of how to get specific issues done, might be useful.
... Life examples of tools of how to get specific issues done, might be useful. ←
15:10:40 <George> q?
George Thomas: q? ←
15:10:47 <PhilA> ack DeirdreLee
Phil Archer: ack DeirdreLee ←
15:10:58 <olyerickson> link to DDI Alliance http://www.ddialliance.org/what
John Erickson: link to DDI Alliance http://www.ddialliance.org/what ←
15:11:03 <cygri> q+ to suggest talking about standards instead of tools when possible
Richard Cyganiak: q+ to suggest talking about standards instead of tools when possible ←
15:11:08 <bhyland_> Olyerickson: Feels we walk a line between decribing checklists to evaluate vs. associating specific tools to "get the job done."
John Erickson: Feels we walk a line between decribing checklists to evaluate vs. associating specific tools to "get the job done." [ Scribe Assist by Bernadette Hyland ] ←
15:11:21 <olyerickson> Link to ANDS recommendations http://ands.org.au/guides/index.html
John Erickson: Link to ANDS recommendations http://ands.org.au/guides/index.html ←
15:11:46 <PhilA> q+
Phil Archer: q+ ←
15:12:22 <cygri> olyerickson, are you aware of https://github.com/FranckCo/DDIOnto ?
Richard Cyganiak: olyerickson, are you aware of https://github.com/FranckCo/DDIOnto ? ←
15:12:23 <mhausenblas> ack me
Michael Hausenblas: ack me ←
15:12:23 <Zakim> mhausenblas, you wanted to ask if we can agree on a term now, please? should we use original data? source data?
Zakim IRC Bot: mhausenblas, you wanted to ask if we can agree on a term now, please? should we use original data? source data? ←
15:12:25 <bhyland_> Time check: 3 minutes until tea break
Bernadette Hyland: Time check: 3 minutes until tea break ←
15:12:42 <PhilA> q-
Phil Archer: q- ←
15:12:46 <cygri> ack me
Richard Cyganiak: ack me ←
15:12:46 <Zakim> cygri, you wanted to suggest talking about standards instead of tools when possible
Zakim IRC Bot: cygri, you wanted to suggest talking about standards instead of tools when possible ←
15:12:52 <BenediktKaempgen> DeirdreLee: Concrete example: EU Inspires (?) data publishing very cumbersome. To sell the approaches to government may be very difficult.
Deirdre Lee: Concrete example: EU Inspires (?) data publishing very cumbersome. To sell the approaches to government may be very difficult. ←
15:12:53 <DaveReynolds> Aside: INSPIRE can be met via linked data, e.g. UK has proposed URI guidelines for naming INSIPRE spatial objects.
Dave Reynolds: Aside: INSPIRE can be met via linked data, e.g. UK has proposed URI guidelines for naming INSIPRE spatial objects. ←
15:12:54 <George> +1 source data (although I don't have any 'legacy' heartburn...)
George Thomas: +1 source data (although I don't have any 'legacy' heartburn...) ←
15:12:54 <bhyland_> Agreed: Legacy data to be recast as "raw data"
Bernadette Hyland: Agreed: Legacy data to be recast as "raw data" ←
15:13:06 <olyerickson> @cygri No I wasn't, thanks!
John Erickson: @cygri No I wasn't, thanks! ←
15:13:17 <DanG> Legacy? How about "metadata-challenged"
Dan Gillman: Legacy? How about "metadata-challenged" ←
15:13:30 <BenediktKaempgen> mhausenblas: Shall we use a different term than legacy. Suggestion: See it in terms of TimBL star schema.
Michael Hausenblas: Shall we use a different term than legacy. Suggestion: See it in terms of TimBL star schema. ←
15:13:50 <DeirdreLee> legacy/raw data is 'existing' data. Linked Data is simply an extra way to represent 'existing' data
Deirdre Lee: legacy/raw data is 'existing' data. Linked Data is simply an extra way to represent 'existing' data ←
15:13:53 <George> +1 to hopping TBL's 'raw data' bandwagon, however 'raw data' is a misnomer in my gov experience
George Thomas: +1 to hopping TBL's 'raw data' bandwagon, however 'raw data' is a misnomer in my gov experience ←
15:13:59 <BenediktKaempgen> ... rename legacy to raw data.
... rename legacy to raw data. ←
15:14:23 <DaveReynolds> -1 to "raw data" that caused problems when TBL used it
Dave Reynolds: -1 to "raw data" that caused problems when TBL used it ←
15:14:36 <mhausenblas> PROPOSAL: To use 'raw data' rather then 'legcay data' along TimBL's 5 star scheme
PROPOSED: To use 'raw data' rather then 'legcay data' along TimBL's 5 star scheme ←
15:14:37 <cygri> kind of -1 to "raw data". statisticians hate that
Richard Cyganiak: kind of -1 to "raw data". statisticians hate that ←
15:14:44 <PhilA> Proposal: To use the term 'Raw Data' to refer to existing data
PROPOSED: To use the term 'Raw Data' to refer to existing data ←
15:14:48 <olyerickson> +1 to "source data" over "raw data"...
John Erickson: +1 to "source data" over "raw data"... ←
15:14:59 <cygri> "non-RDF data"?
Richard Cyganiak: "non-RDF data"? ←
15:15:00 <dvilasuero> +1 to source data
Daniel Vila: +1 to source data ←
15:15:08 <PhilA> Proposal: Not carried
PROPOSED: Not carried ←
15:15:12 <cygri> "spreadsheets"
Richard Cyganiak: "spreadsheets" ←
15:15:29 <mhausenblas> PROPOSAL: To use 'source data' rather then 'legacy data' along TimBL's 5 star scheme
PROPOSED: To use 'source data' rather then 'legacy data' along TimBL's 5 star scheme ←
15:15:33 <BenediktKaempgen> ???: Mainly about spreadheets and relational data.
???: Mainly about spreadheets and relational data. ←
15:15:37 <mhausenblas> q?
Michael Hausenblas: q? ←
15:15:42 <mhausenblas> ack sandro
Michael Hausenblas: ack sandro ←
15:16:02 <cygri> +2 to sandro
Richard Cyganiak: +2 to sandro ←
15:16:28 <stasinos> "pre-formal"?
Stasinos Konstantopoulos: "pre-formal"? ←
15:16:56 <olyerickson> +1 to exposing...what? ;)
John Erickson: +1 to exposing...what? ;) ←
15:17:26 <bhyland_> OK, chairs have conferred and we agree ... "Source Data"
Bernadette Hyland: OK, chairs have conferred and we agree ... "Source Data" ←
15:17:35 <olyerickson> mhausenblas' proposal seconded...
John Erickson: mhausenblas' proposal seconded... ←
15:17:35 <mhausenblas> PROPOSAL: To use 'non-RDF data' rather then 'legacy data' along TimBL's 5 star scheme
PROPOSED: To use 'non-RDF data' rather then 'legacy data' along TimBL's 5 star scheme ←
15:17:39 <BenediktKaempgen> mhausenblas: how to call that first publing working draft
Michael Hausenblas: how to call that first publing working draft ←
15:17:52 <simonWall> unlinked data!
Simon Wall: unlinked data! ←
15:17:55 <cgueret_work> -1 to non RDF
Christophe Gueret: -1 to non RDF ←
15:17:58 <rreck> non-RDF is stilted
Ronald Reck: non-RDF is stilted ←
15:18:12 <PhilA> -1 to non-RDF
Phil Archer: -1 to non-RDF ←
15:18:13 <rreck> +1 bio
Ronald Reck: +1 bio ←
15:18:17 <cgueret_work> @simonWall some RDF is also unlinked
Christophe Gueret: @simonWall some RDF is also unlinked ←
15:18:27 <boris> no open data?
Boris Villazón-Terrazas: no open data? ←
15:18:27 <olyerickson> +1 to bladder relief...
John Erickson: +1 to bladder relief... ←
15:18:28 <PhilA> +1 to source data
Phil Archer: +1 to source data ←
15:18:34 <DaveReynolds> +0 on "source data", it means some different but in a less harmful way than "raw data"
Dave Reynolds: +0 on "source data", it means some different but in a less harmful way than "raw data" ←
15:18:35 <cgueret_work> +1 to source data
Christophe Gueret: +1 to source data ←
15:18:42 <rreck> +1 source data
Ronald Reck: +1 source data ←
15:18:51 <cygri> +0.5 to source data. not my favourite but could work well enough.
Richard Cyganiak: +0.5 to source data. not my favourite but could work well enough. ←
15:19:09 <BenediktKaempgen> +1 source data
+1 source data ←
15:19:50 <mhausenblas> bhyland_: we resume at 10:30am/3:30pm
Bernadette Hyland: we resume at 10:30am/3:30pm [ Scribe Assist by Michael Hausenblas ] ←
15:19:56 <Zakim> -galway
Zakim IRC Bot: -galway ←
15:20:01 <Zakim> -sandro
Zakim IRC Bot: -sandro ←
15:20:02 <Zakim> -rreck
Zakim IRC Bot: -rreck ←
15:20:06 <Zakim> -stasinos
Zakim IRC Bot: -stasinos ←
15:20:18 <olyerickson> are we hanging up?
John Erickson: are we hanging up? ←
15:21:01 <Zakim> -simonWall
Zakim IRC Bot: -simonWall ←
15:30:00 <sandro> q?
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Sandro Hawke: q? ←
15:30:42 <Zakim> +sandro
Zakim IRC Bot: +sandro ←
15:31:39 <olyerickson> do we have to dial in again?
John Erickson: do we have to dial in again? ←
15:31:51 <olyerickson> ...or is everyone on mute?
John Erickson: ...or is everyone on mute? ←
15:33:57 <bhyland_> ping, is the Galway team read to resume?
Bernadette Hyland: ping, is the Galway team read to resume? ←
15:34:11 <mhausenblas> yes
Michael Hausenblas: yes ←
15:34:13 <mhausenblas> sorry
Michael Hausenblas: sorry ←
15:34:32 <sandro> "Interfacing to Existing Data System"
Sandro Hawke: "Interfacing to Existing Data System" ←
15:34:38 <sandro> "Providing an RDF Interface"
Sandro Hawke: "Providing an RDF Interface" ←
15:34:39 <BenediktKaempgen> Galway is coming...
Galway is coming... ←
15:34:40 <sandro> "RDF Interfaces"
Sandro Hawke: "RDF Interfaces" ←
15:34:44 <sandro> galway ping
Sandro Hawke: galway ping ←
15:34:46 <sandro> cygri, mhausenblas ...
Sandro Hawke: cygri, mhausenblas ... ←
15:34:59 <Zakim> +galway
Zakim IRC Bot: +galway ←
15:35:16 <Zakim> +??P9
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P9 ←
15:35:27 <stasinos> Zakim, ??P9 is stasinos
Stasinos Konstantopoulos: Zakim, ??P9 is stasinos ←
15:35:28 <Zakim> +stasinos; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +stasinos; got it ←
15:35:29 <cygri> zakim, i'm with galway
Richard Cyganiak: zakim, i'm with galway ←
15:35:29 <Zakim> +cygri; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +cygri; got it ←
15:35:40 <sandro> "Providing RDF Interfaces"
Sandro Hawke: "Providing RDF Interfaces" ←
15:35:59 <bhyland_> -1 to non-RDF. I prefer "Source Data"
Bernadette Hyland: -1 to non-RDF. I prefer "Source Data" ←
15:36:15 <mhausenblas> PROPOSAL: To use 'source data' rather then 'legacy data' along TimBL's 5 star scheme
PROPOSED: To use 'source data' rather then 'legacy data' along TimBL's 5 star scheme ←
15:36:15 <bhyland_> +1 PhilA
Bernadette Hyland: +1 PhilA ←
15:36:21 <cygri> +0.5
Richard Cyganiak: +0.5 ←
15:36:27 <cgueret_work> +1 to "source" too
Christophe Gueret: +1 to "source" too ←
15:36:30 <cygri> +0.5 to source data
Richard Cyganiak: +0.5 to source data ←
15:36:54 <DaveReynolds> +0 on "source data", it means some different but in a less harmful way than "raw data"
Dave Reynolds: +0 on "source data", it means some different but in a less harmful way than "raw data" ←
15:36:55 <olyerickson> zakim, SUM(sourceData)
John Erickson: zakim, SUM(sourceData) ←
15:36:55 <Zakim> I don't understand 'SUM(sourceData)', olyerickson
Zakim IRC Bot: I don't understand 'SUM(sourceData)', olyerickson ←
15:37:12 <BenediktKaempgen> +1 source data (although domain specific/original data would be more clear)
+1 source data (although domain specific/original data would be more clear) ←
15:37:25 <cgueret_work> and what about "genuine data" ? :)
Christophe Gueret: and what about "genuine data" ? :) ←
15:37:28 <bhyland_> Proposal for replacement name, it has a "use by date" of at least the FPWD
Bernadette Hyland: Proposal for replacement name, it has a "use by date" of at least the FPWD ←
15:37:31 <sandro> sandro: the default is we dont revisit decisions.
Sandro Hawke: the default is we dont revisit decisions. [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ] ←
15:37:35 <boris> +0.98 to "source data"
Boris Villazón-Terrazas: +0.98 to "source data" ←
15:37:37 <bhyland_> Agreed: "Source Data"
Bernadette Hyland: Agreed: "Source Data" ←
15:37:47 <cgueret_work> cool
Christophe Gueret: cool ←
15:37:50 <mhausenblas> RESOLUTION: To use 'source data' rather then 'legacy data' along TimBL's 5 star scheme
RESOLVED: To use 'source data' rather then 'legacy data' along TimBL's 5 star scheme ←
15:37:54 <Zakim> +??P11
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P11 ←
15:37:57 <mhausenblas> RRSAgent, draft minutes
Michael Hausenblas: RRSAgent, draft minutes ←
15:37:57 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/01/25-gld-minutes.html mhausenblas
RRSAgent IRC Bot: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/01/25-gld-minutes.html mhausenblas ←
15:38:06 <sandro> +0 source data okay as long as it's open to revisiting before LC. ( -1 to this term forever)
Sandro Hawke: +0 source data okay as long as it's open to revisiting before LC. ( -1 to this term forever) ←
15:38:16 <mhausenblas> q?
Michael Hausenblas: q? ←
15:38:43 <boris> http://logd.tw.rpi.edu/sites/default/files/w3c_gld_uri_construction_25jan12.pdf
Boris Villazón-Terrazas: http://logd.tw.rpi.edu/sites/default/files/w3c_gld_uri_construction_25jan12.pdf ←
15:38:46 <BenediktKaempgen> Topic: URI Construction discussion
15:40:22 <BenediktKaempgen> olyerickson: we have general URI recommendations, e.g., data patterns.
John Erickson: we have general URI recommendations, e.g., data patterns. ←
15:40:56 <BenediktKaempgen> dvilasuero: Agrees.
Daniel Vila: Agrees. ←
15:41:26 <bhyland_> What do you mean missing?
Bernadette Hyland: What do you mean missing? ←
15:42:07 <BenediktKaempgen> olyerickson: instance-hub-uri-design makes it possible to re-host uris
John Erickson: instance-hub-uri-design makes it possible to re-host uris ←
15:42:31 <BenediktKaempgen> ... re-host, i.e. move to a different architecture after testing
... re-host, i.e. move to a different architecture after testing ←
15:43:21 <BenediktKaempgen> ... requirements to uri creation approach: no need to make URI self-describing, non-domain-specific
... requirements to uri creation approach: no need to make URI self-describing, non-domain-specific ←
15:43:22 <bhyland_> yes, Michael, it must be. I see legacy discussion in two parts in fact.
Bernadette Hyland: yes, Michael, it must be. I see legacy discussion in two parts in fact. ←
15:44:32 <cygri> q+
Richard Cyganiak: q+ ←
15:44:53 <PhilA> q+ to caution against using the org component, slide 3
Phil Archer: q+ to caution against using the org component, slide 3 ←
15:45:24 <DaveReynolds> q+
Dave Reynolds: q+ ←
15:45:52 <BenediktKaempgen> ... major parts: id, org, category/token
... major parts: id, org, category/token ←
15:47:39 <DanG> What about using subject matter categories rather than agency based ones? They won't die if the agency does.
Dan Gillman: What about using subject matter categories rather than agency based ones? They won't die if the agency does. ←
15:47:46 <BenediktKaempgen> ... explanations of examples are linked from the wiki, e.g. in best practices document
... explanations of examples are linked from the wiki, e.g. in best practices document ←
15:48:33 <DaveReynolds> DanG - UK recommendation is def to use subject matter and avoid agencies
Dave Reynolds: DanG - UK recommendation is def to use subject matter and avoid agencies ←
15:48:36 <BenediktKaempgen> ... room for discussion.
... room for discussion. ←
15:48:36 <bhyland_> q?
Bernadette Hyland: q? ←
15:48:43 <Yigal> q+
Yigal Arens: q+ ←
15:48:46 <PhilA> ack cygri
Phil Archer: ack cygri ←
15:49:29 <olyerickson> This is NOT a recommendation; it's simply what we are ucing
John Erickson: This is NOT a recommendation; it's simply what we are using ←
15:49:35 <olyerickson> s/ucing/using/
15:49:46 <bhyland_> @Michael - we're planning to break in 15-20 minutes, when we've completed or at least come to natural break point in URI discussion. We have to walk to get our lunch.
Bernadette Hyland: @Michael - we're planning to break in 15-20 minutes, when we've completed or at least come to natural break point in URI discussion. We have to walk to get our lunch. ←
15:50:28 <simonWall> I was planning to be gone by now, good night all.
Simon Wall: I was planning to be gone by now, good night all. ←
15:50:29 <BenediktKaempgen> Richard: Good handle of what the section should say. Small concern: some guidelines are applicable everywhere,e.g., slashes, stability; other aspects that apply only to specific use cases. UK gov guidelines mostly only apply to specific environments.
Richard Cyganiak: Good handle of what the section should say. Small concern: some guidelines are applicable everywhere,e.g., slashes, stability; other aspects that apply only to specific use cases. UK gov guidelines mostly only apply to specific environments. ←
15:50:53 <BenediktKaempgen> ... E.g., re-hosting is something quite specific.
... E.g., re-hosting is something quite specific. ←
15:51:04 <olyerickson> @cygri good point; that was "merely" RPI's requirement ;)
John Erickson: @cygri good point; that was "merely" RPI's requirement ;) ←
15:51:05 <bhyland_> cygri: The main focus should be on stuff that is "true everywhere".
Richard Cyganiak: The main focus should be on stuff that is "true everywhere". [ Scribe Assist by Bernadette Hyland ] ←
15:51:33 <bhyland_> What always applies vs. more specific example that could be better described as use cases.
Bernadette Hyland: What always applies vs. more specific example that could be better described as use cases. ←
15:51:34 <BenediktKaempgen> ... Recommendations should be more generic. Needed: To abstract from the use cases of TWC or UK gov to have a less complicated design.
... Recommendations should be more generic. Needed: To abstract from the use cases of TWC or UK gov to have a less complicated design. ←
15:52:11 <bhyland_> Example from DERI, re: data.gov.ie project ...
Bernadette Hyland: Example from DERI, re: http: project ... ←
15:52:31 <mhausenblas> s/data.gov.ie/http://data-gov.ie
15:52:32 <Zakim> -simonWall
Zakim IRC Bot: -simonWall ←
15:52:42 <BenediktKaempgen> ... approach was to complicated, but this was realized only afterwards.
... approach was to complicated, but this was realized only afterwards. ←
15:52:49 <George> q?
George Thomas: q? ←
15:52:50 <dvilasuero> +1 cygri
Daniel Vila: +1 cygri ←
15:52:53 <PhilA> ack me
Phil Archer: ack me ←
15:52:53 <Zakim> PhilA, you wanted to caution against using the org component, slide 3
Zakim IRC Bot: PhilA, you wanted to caution against using the org component, slide 3 ←
15:53:42 <BenediktKaempgen> PhilA: Concern: Names of governments departements change very often, should not be included in URI. Similar goes for locations.
Phil Archer: Concern: Names of governments departements change very often, should not be included in URI. Similar goes for locations. ←
15:53:53 <bhyland_> How about if we provide 1) background on the imporance of URI strategy; 2) the value of persistence strategy; 3) detail the issues involved to evaluate a URI scheme
Bernadette Hyland: How about if we provide 1) background on the imporance of URI strategy; 2) the value of persistence strategy; 3) detail the issues involved to evaluate a URI scheme ←
15:53:55 <bhyland_> q?
Bernadette Hyland: q? ←
15:56:00 <BenediktKaempgen> olyerickson: Good point. But there is always the question whether create URIs from the concepts (from the actual data). If modelled from the data, then even if concepts changed, at that time of modelling the data was valid and as such the URIs are valid still, also.
John Erickson: Good point. But there is always the question whether create URIs from the concepts (from the actual data). If modelled from the data, then even if concepts changed, at that time of modelling the data was valid and as such the URIs are valid still, also. ←
15:56:53 <stasinos> q+
Stasinos Konstantopoulos: q+ ←
15:56:55 <olyerickson> _dammit or /dammit ?;)
John Erickson: _dammit or /dammit ?;) ←
15:56:55 <mhausenblas> Michael: I don't see much of a point in criticising RPI's work now - he made it clear it's an example, not the recommendation
Michael Hausenblas: I don't see much of a point in criticising RPI's work now - he made it clear it's an example, not the recommendation [ Scribe Assist by Michael Hausenblas ] ←
15:57:21 <olyerickson> +1 to sandro's point
John Erickson: +1 to sandro's point ←
15:57:32 <BenediktKaempgen> sandro: important to have a plan in case a name changes.
Sandro Hawke: important to have a plan in case a name changes. ←
15:57:37 <DaveReynolds> ack me
Dave Reynolds: ack me ←
15:57:45 <bhyland_> NB: We aren't criticizing RPIs URI draft ... it gave us something in black & white to discuss. Therefore it is good & useful IMO.
Bernadette Hyland: NB: We aren't criticizing RPIs URI draft ... it gave us something in black & white to discuss. Therefore it is good & useful IMO. ←
15:58:03 <George> {sector}.data.gov.*/id/{thing-type}/{instance}/natural/instance/hierarchy
George Thomas: {sector}.data.gov.*/id/{thing-type}/{instance}/natural/instance/hierarchy ←
15:59:00 <cygri> really good point
Richard Cyganiak: really good point ←
15:59:13 <mhausenblas> +1 to Dave's wise words re scalability of URI spaces via sub-domains
Michael Hausenblas: +1 to Dave's wise words re scalability of URI spaces via sub-domains ←
15:59:33 <bhyland_> DaveReynolds: Describe constants: 1) the constants (e.g., sectors for the UK). 2) use of sub-domains to allow for autonomy within gov't authorities. 3) explain scalability implications involved depending on URI structure. Explain URI construction and allude to performance issues ...
Dave Reynolds: Describe constants: 1) the constants (e.g., sectors for the UK). 2) use of sub-domains to allow for autonomy within gov't authorities. 3) explain scalability implications involved depending on URI structure. Explain URI construction and allude to performance issues ... [ Scribe Assist by Bernadette Hyland ] ←
16:00:04 <mhausenblas> +1
Michael Hausenblas: +1 ←
16:00:06 <George> q?
George Thomas: q? ←
16:00:07 <bhyland_> ... Separating the advice of what to do vs. if you don't do it, you'll get bitten in the bum
Bernadette Hyland: ... Separating the advice of what to do vs. if you don't do it, you'll get bitten in the bum ←
16:00:08 <stasinos> +1
Stasinos Konstantopoulos: +1 ←
16:00:09 <dvilasuero> +1
Daniel Vila: +1 ←
16:00:10 <bhyland_> q?
Bernadette Hyland: q? ←
16:00:11 <DeirdreLee> Stale URIs (from non-existant depts) will make the data look stale, even if it's brand new....
Deirdre Lee: Stale URIs (from non-existant depts) will make the data look stale, even if it's brand new.... ←
16:00:19 <BenediktKaempgen> DaveReynolds: Depends on the use of URIs: stabilized, architecture-dependent. Separation of tools that allow to create uris and the methods of how to deal with issues afterwards.
Dave Reynolds: Depends on the use of URIs: stabilized, architecture-dependent. Separation of tools that allow to create uris and the methods of how to deal with issues afterwards. ←
16:00:20 <George> ack Yigal
George Thomas: ack Yigal ←
16:01:45 <mhausenblas> Michael: We're implicitly assuming transparent URIs now
Michael Hausenblas: We're implicitly assuming transparent URIs now [ Scribe Assist by Michael Hausenblas ] ←
16:01:49 <BenediktKaempgen> Yigal: also responsibilities change. We need to think about temporal issues such as at what time did uri represent something.
Yigal Arens: also responsibilities change. We need to think about temporal issues such as at what time did uri represent something. ←
16:02:02 <olyerickson> q+
John Erickson: q+ ←
16:02:09 <mhausenblas> Michael: also known as hackable URIs
Michael Hausenblas: also known as hackable URIs [ Scribe Assist by Michael Hausenblas ] ←
16:02:24 <George> ack sandro
George Thomas: ack sandro ←
16:02:37 <George> Yigal: temporal aspect in URI? which HHS? responsibilities change even if/when orgs don't
Yigal Arens: temporal aspect in URI? which HHS? responsibilities change even if/when orgs don't [ Scribe Assist by George Thomas ] ←
16:03:14 <DaveReynolds> For those who may not be aware ... as well as the original UK recommendations http://www.cabinetoffice.gov.uk/media/308995/public_sector_uri.pdf there are recommendations about spatial objects (as relates to the EU INSPIRE directive) http://location.defra.gov.uk/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/Designing_URI_Sets_for_Location-V1.0.pdf useful example of patterns of things beyond "id" and "def"
Dave Reynolds: For those who may not be aware ... as well as the original UK recommendations http://www.cabinetoffice.gov.uk/media/308995/public_sector_uri.pdf there are recommendations about spatial objects (as relates to the EU INSPIRE directive) http://location.defra.gov.uk/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/Designing_URI_Sets_for_Location-V1.0.pdf useful example of patterns of things beyond "id" and "def" ←
16:03:32 <Zakim> -sandro
Zakim IRC Bot: -sandro ←
16:03:35 <cygri> +1 to point out ways in which things can/will break
Richard Cyganiak: +1 to point out ways in which things can/will break ←
16:03:52 <George> q?
George Thomas: q? ←
16:03:52 <Zakim> +sandro
Zakim IRC Bot: +sandro ←
16:04:00 <BenediktKaempgen> bhyland: We need to bound URI construction topic.
Bernadette Hyland: We need to bound URI construction topic. ←
16:04:42 <stasinos> q-
Stasinos Konstantopoulos: q- ←
16:05:11 <BenediktKaempgen> ... On the one hand best practices should be valid as long as possible. On the other hand it should also include more specific issues.
... On the one hand best practices should be valid as long as possible. On the other hand it should also include more specific issues. ←
16:06:16 <olyerickson> q?
John Erickson: q? ←
16:06:21 <BenediktKaempgen> ... cannot tell Google, Yahoo which vocabularies to use.
... cannot tell Google, Yahoo which vocabularies to use. ←
16:06:22 <olyerickson> q?
John Erickson: q? ←
16:06:34 <olyerickson> q?
John Erickson: q? ←
16:06:49 <olyerickson> q?
John Erickson: q? ←
16:06:50 <BenediktKaempgen> :-) thanks PhilA. Can someone scribe?
:-) thanks PhilA. Can someone scribe? ←
16:07:13 <PhilA> scribe: PhilA
(Scribe set to Phil Archer)
16:07:14 <BenediktKaempgen> Thanks.
Benedikt Kaempgen: Thanks. ←
16:07:22 <cygri> q+
Richard Cyganiak: q+ ←
16:07:23 <bhyland> ping
Bernadette Hyland: ping ←
16:07:27 <cmusialek> sorry about that!
Chris Musialek: sorry about that! ←
16:07:46 <PhilA> olyerickson: I'd like to propose that the guidance we're getting -> we should transform what we have so far into a check list or decision tree
John Erickson: I'd like to propose that the guidance we're getting -> we should transform what we have so far into a check list or decision tree ←
16:08:02 <cmusialek> thanks!
Chris Musialek: thanks! ←
16:08:15 <bhyland> sorry from all of us in DC .. we seem to get aperiodically dropped from our guest network and there is no explicit notification ...
Bernadette Hyland: sorry from all of us in DC .. we seem to get aperiodically dropped from our guest network and there is no explicit notification ... ←
16:08:19 <PhilA> olyerickson: highlight the issues. What we're saying is what we did, what we thought about and why we did it
John Erickson: highlight the issues. What we're saying is what we did, what we thought about and why we did it ←
16:08:29 <bhyland> and worst, we loose the IRC history :-(
Bernadette Hyland: and worse of all, we loose the IRC history :-( ←
16:08:39 <bhyland> s/worst/worse of all/
16:09:32 <George> q?
George Thomas: q? ←
16:09:40 <mhausenblas> q?
Michael Hausenblas: q? ←
16:09:44 <George> ack olyerickson
George Thomas: ack olyerickson ←
16:10:39 <George> UK guidance also talks about /def (controversy!) and /dataset among other topics
George Thomas: UK guidance also talks about /def (controversy!) and /dataset among other topics ←
16:10:47 <PhilA> bhyland: I would say, not having read the UK guidance in 8 months or so - that's more comprehensive and thought out. We should consider others (and strip out the UK-specific stuff)
Bernadette Hyland: I would say, not having read the UK guidance in 8 months or so - that's more comprehensive and thought out. We should consider others (and strip out the UK-specific stuff) ←
16:10:49 <bhyland> q?
Bernadette Hyland: q? ←
16:10:57 <PhilA> sandro: I like the decision tree idea a lot
Sandro Hawke: I like the decision tree idea a lot ←
16:11:01 <olyerickson> +1 to "decision tree" idea
John Erickson: +1 to "decision tree" idea ←
16:11:33 <PhilA> sandro: "Don't do this" or it will cause problems later and "you probably don't want to do this but you may have reasons not to" and so on
Sandro Hawke: "Don't do this" or it will cause problems later and "you probably don't want to do this but you may have reasons not to" and so on ←
16:12:21 <PhilA> bhyland: cmusialekhas a mission to do today. I don't think the guidance is ready for him. The RPI draft is a good input - needs to be discussed further
Bernadette Hyland: cmusialek a mission to do today. I don't think the guidance is ready for him. The RPI draft is a good input - needs to be discussed further ←
16:12:26 <olyerickson> "RPI thing" is not a draft...it's what we did and why ;)
John Erickson: "RPI thing" is not a draft...it's what we did and why ;) ←
16:12:59 <cygri> q?
Richard Cyganiak: q? ←
16:13:08 <olyerickson> Wait a minute...I think ChrisM is a test subject and should actually
John Erickson: Wait a minute...I think ChrisM is a test subject and should actually ←
16:13:13 <PhilA> cmusialek: I'm less familiar with the intricacies of URI design. But I'm hearing that it's time to act from the US gov and maybe get 80% right
Chris Musialek: I'm less familiar with the intricacies of URI design. But I'm hearing that it's time to act from the US gov and maybe get 80% right ←
16:13:17 <bhyland> s/cmusialekhas/cmusialek/
16:13:22 <PhilA> olyerickson: I'm going to disagree with you, bhyland
John Erickson: I'm going to disagree with you, bhyland ←
16:13:54 <PhilA> olyerickson: We're not saying to Chris, go ahead and use this. I'm saying "try it, see what breaks and let us know"
John Erickson: We're not saying to Chris, go ahead and use this. I'm saying "try it, see what breaks and let us know" ←
16:14:08 <bhyland> Olyerickson is saying the draft RPI URI guidance is a proposal ... try it and give us feedback.
Bernadette Hyland: Olyerickson is saying the draft RPI URI guidance is a proposal ... try it and give us feedback. ←
16:14:11 <PhilA> olyerickson: I'd also say take a look at the UK advice and tell us what the problem is
John Erickson: I'd also say take a look at the UK advice and tell us what the problem is ←
16:14:22 <DeirdreLee> +1 Olyerickson
Deirdre Lee: +1 Olyerickson ←
16:14:25 <bhyland> RPI has used the RPI version for a very specific case.
Bernadette Hyland: RPI has used the RPI version for a very specific case. ←
16:14:27 <PhilA> olyerickson: We've used ours for a very specific case
John Erickson: We've used ours for a very specific case ←
16:14:35 <DeirdreLee> community drives standards or standards drive community?
Deirdre Lee: community drives standards or standards drive community? ←
16:14:53 <bhyland> q?
Bernadette Hyland: q? ←
16:14:55 <PhilA> The former DeirdreLee (if it's to be used)
The former DeirdreLee (if it's to be used) ←
16:14:57 <bhyland> q+
Bernadette Hyland: q+ ←
16:15:18 <mhausenblas> ack cygri
Michael Hausenblas: ack cygri ←
16:15:29 <PhilA> cygri: I wanted to say that in terms of structuring these BP Recommendations, I agree with sandro and mhausenblas to structure these as a list
Richard Cyganiak: I wanted to say that in terms of structuring these BP Recommendations, I agree with sandro and mhausenblas to structure these as a list ←
16:15:49 <PhilA> cygri: Seems a good way to teach/inform
Richard Cyganiak: Seems a good way to teach/inform ←
16:15:54 <olyerickson> +1 to cautioning about what might go wrong...BUT it needs to be informed advice
John Erickson: +1 to cautioning about what might go wrong...BUT it needs to be informed advice ←
16:16:19 <George> q?
George Thomas: q? ←
16:16:22 <PhilA> cygri: Have you thought about future change? Is there 'cruft' in there (scribe doesn't recognise the term cruft but that's life)
Richard Cyganiak: Have you thought about future change? Is there 'cruft' in there (scribe doesn't recognise the term cruft but that's life) ←
16:16:25 <boris> +1 to richard
Boris Villazón-Terrazas: +1 to richard ←
16:16:26 <mhausenblas> ack bhyland
Michael Hausenblas: ack bhyland ←
16:16:30 <mhausenblas> +10000 to cygri
Michael Hausenblas: +10000 to cygri ←
16:16:35 <George> ack bhyland
George Thomas: ack bhyland ←
16:17:25 <PhilA> bhyland: I appreciate John's request for data.gov to take the RPI advice and see how it works. That might be the RPI state, but I'm not sure it's the W3C position as it hasn't been sanctioned by the WG
Bernadette Hyland: I appreciate John's request for data.gov to take the RPI advice and see how it works. That might be the RPI state, but I'm not sure it's the W3C position as it hasn't been sanctioned by the WG ←
16:17:31 <cygri> olyerickson, who suggested giving uninformed advice? ;-)
Richard Cyganiak: olyerickson, who suggested giving uninformed advice? ;-) ←
16:17:32 <olyerickson> +1 to keeping things separate
John Erickson: +1 to keeping things separate ←
16:18:04 <olyerickson> q+ then break
John Erickson: q+ then break ←
16:18:32 <cygri> ack then,
Richard Cyganiak: ack then, ←
16:18:38 <cygri> ack break
Richard Cyganiak: ack break ←
16:18:38 <olyerickson> @cygri I didn't mean...hmmm...what did I mean ;)
John Erickson: @cygri I didn't mean...hmmm...what did I mean ;) ←
16:18:45 <cygri> ack then
Richard Cyganiak: ack then ←
16:18:54 <bhyland> AnneW: How do we iterate through a suggested set of guidelines & recommendations?
Anne Washington: How do we iterate through a suggested set of guidelines & recommendations? [ Scribe Assist by Bernadette Hyland ] ←
16:19:29 <olyerickson> PROPOSAL: URI sub-team work on a check-list for URI construction
PROPOSED: URI sub-team work on a check-list for URI construction ←
16:19:31 <PhilA> sandro: The WG is supposed to iterate on the doc until everyone agrees with it
Sandro Hawke: The WG is supposed to iterate on the doc until everyone agrees with it ←
16:19:38 <PhilA> ... then it goes to the outside world
... then it goes to the outside world ←
16:19:43 <PhilA> ... etc.
... etc. ←
16:19:45 <mhausenblas> +1 to olyerickson proposal
Michael Hausenblas: +1 to olyerickson proposal ←
16:19:58 <boris> +1 to oleyrickson
Boris Villazón-Terrazas: +1 to oleyrickson ←
16:20:03 <bhyland> sandro: The normal W3C process is that the group reviews and once they don't have any problems with it, then goes to last candidate review for feedback.
Sandro Hawke: The normal W3C process is that the group reviews and once they don't have any problems with it, then goes to last candidate review for feedback. [ Scribe Assist by Bernadette Hyland ] ←
16:20:09 <dvilasuero> +1 to oleyrickson
Daniel Vila: +1 to oleyrickson ←
16:20:46 <PhilA> bhyland: What RPI has provided is a draft. But let's encourage cmusialek to be part of the discussion as it continues to evolve
Bernadette Hyland: What RPI has provided is a draft. But let's encourage cmusialek to be part of the discussion as it continues to evolve ←
16:20:54 <olyerickson> +1 to cmusialek et.al. be part of the conversation
John Erickson: +1 to cmusialek et.al. be part of the conversation ←
16:20:56 <Zakim> +rreck
Zakim IRC Bot: +rreck ←
16:20:59 <bhyland> q?
Bernadette Hyland: q? ←
16:21:07 <PhilA> bhyland: Are we at a natural breaking point?
Bernadette Hyland: Are we at a natural breaking point? ←
16:21:08 <Yigal> In reference to using Congressional Districts as example: Is everyone aware that these are redrawn every 10 years?
Yigal Arens: In reference to using Congressional Districts as example: Is everyone aware that these are redrawn every 10 years? ←
16:21:11 <PhilA> GalwayL YES
GalwayL YES ←
16:21:35 <Zakim> -stasinos
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16:21:44 <olyerickson> are we hanging up?
John Erickson: are we hanging up? ←
16:21:50 <mhausenblas> reconvene at 12:25 and 5:15pm
Michael Hausenblas: reconvene at 12:25 and 5:15pm ←
16:22:01 <olyerickson> I can also stay on bridge...
John Erickson: I can also stay on bridge... ←
16:22:02 <mhausenblas> Zakim, mute galway
Michael Hausenblas: Zakim, mute galway ←
16:22:02 <Zakim> galway should now be muted
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16:22:10 <mhausenblas> reconvene at 12:15 and 5:15pm
Michael Hausenblas: reconvene at 12:15 and 5:15pm ←
16:22:26 <olyerickson> zakim, mute olyerickson.
John Erickson: zakim, mute olyerickson. ←
16:22:26 <Zakim> olyerickson should now be muted
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16:22:31 <mhausenblas> Zakim, unmute galway
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16:22:31 <Zakim> galway should no longer be muted
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16:24:13 <mhausenblas> Zakim, mute galway
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16:24:13 <Zakim> galway should now be muted
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16:24:18 <Zakim> -sandro
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16:24:24 <Zakim> -rreck
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16:24:31 <Zakim> -GeraldSteeman
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16:28:14 <PhilA> Wiki record of these minutes is up to date at this point
Wiki record of these minutes is up to date at this point ←
16:36:18 <olyerickson> Note for the "Vocabulary Selection" team: check out the recent addition to DataFAQs re: the role of vocabulary selection in Linked data quality https://github.com/timrdf/DataFAQs/wiki/Assisting-vocabulary-selection
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John Erickson: Note for the "Vocabulary Selection" team: check out the recent addition to DataFAQs re: the role of vocabulary selection in Linked data quality https://github.com/timrdf/DataFAQs/wiki/Assisting-vocabulary-selection ←
16:43:26 <mhausenblas> I have to go now, unfortunately, Richard is taking over Galway. Literally. :)
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Michael Hausenblas: I have to go now, unfortunately, Richard is taking over Galway. Literally. :) ←
17:09:18 <Zakim> +sandro
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17:10:24 <PhilA> sandro: the Washington room is still empty (the video link is showing us that). I can ping you when we're about to reconvene if you like?
Sandro Hawke: the Washington room is still empty (the video link is showing us that). I can ping you when we're about to reconvene if you like? ←
17:25:06 <Zakim> -galway
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17:25:48 <cygri> zkim, code
Richard Cyganiak: zkim, code ←
17:25:52 <cygri> zakim, code?
Richard Cyganiak: zakim, code? ←
17:25:52 <Zakim> the conference code is 4531 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), cygri
Zakim IRC Bot: the conference code is 4531 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), cygri ←
17:26:01 <Zakim> +galway
Zakim IRC Bot: +galway ←
17:27:24 <Zakim> +??P1
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P1 ←
17:27:29 <dvilasuero> zakim, dvilasuero is with galway
Daniel Vila: zakim, dvilasuero is with galway ←
17:27:29 <Zakim> +dvilasuero; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +dvilasuero; got it ←
17:27:34 <DaveReynolds> zakim, ??P1 is me
Dave Reynolds: zakim, ??P1 is me ←
17:27:34 <Zakim> +DaveReynolds; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +DaveReynolds; got it ←
17:27:42 <dvilasuero> zakim, boris is with galway
Daniel Vila: zakim, boris is with galway ←
17:27:42 <Zakim> +boris; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +boris; got it ←
17:27:59 <olyerickson> zakim, who is one the phone?
John Erickson: zakim, who is one the phone? ←
17:27:59 <Zakim> I don't understand your question, olyerickson.
Zakim IRC Bot: I don't understand your question, olyerickson. ←
17:28:09 <olyerickson> zakim, who is on the phone?
John Erickson: zakim, who is on the phone? ←
17:28:09 <Zakim> On the phone I see Washington, olyerickson (muted), ChristopheGueret, sandro, galway, DaveReynolds
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see Washington, olyerickson (muted), ChristopheGueret, sandro, galway, DaveReynolds ←
17:28:12 <Zakim> galway has galway, dvilasuero, boris
Zakim IRC Bot: galway has galway, dvilasuero, boris ←
17:28:37 <PhilA> zakim, galway has BartvanLeeuwen, BenediktKaempgen, boris, cygri, DeirdreLee, dvilasuero, fadi, GofranShukair, PhilA, SpyrosKotoulas
zakim, galway has BartvanLeeuwen, BenediktKaempgen, boris, cygri, DeirdreLee, dvilasuero, fadi, GofranShukair, PhilA, SpyrosKotoulas ←
17:28:37 <Zakim> boris was already listed in galway, PhilA
Zakim IRC Bot: boris was already listed in galway, PhilA ←
17:28:38 <Zakim> dvilasuero was already listed in galway, PhilA
Zakim IRC Bot: dvilasuero was already listed in galway, PhilA ←
17:28:39 <cygri> zakim, i'm with galway
Richard Cyganiak: zakim, i'm with galway ←
17:28:40 <Zakim> +BartvanLeeuwen, BenediktKaempgen, cygri, DeirdreLee, fadi, GofranShukair, PhilA, SpyrosKotoulas; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +BartvanLeeuwen, BenediktKaempgen, cygri, DeirdreLee, fadi, GofranShukair, PhilA, SpyrosKotoulas; got it ←
17:28:43 <boris> zakim, csarven is with galway
Boris Villazón-Terrazas: zakim, csarven is with galway ←
17:28:44 <Zakim> cygri was already listed in galway, cygri
Zakim IRC Bot: cygri was already listed in galway, cygri ←
17:28:47 <Zakim> +csarven; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +csarven; got it ←
17:31:00 <PhilA> Topic: Discussion on Best Practices for Publishing Government Linked Data (FPWD)
17:31:27 <PhilA> bern: Did a big restructuring of the wiki page yesterday
Bernadette Hyland: Did a big restructuring of the wiki page yesterday ←
17:33:07 <cygri> http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/charter
Richard Cyganiak: http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/charter ←
17:33:22 <PhilA> BernHyland: Two questions - how do we move from a wiki to a FPWD, and how do we reflect fture changes
Bernadette Hyland: Two questions - how do we move from a wiki to a FPWD, and how do we reflect future changes ←
17:33:32 <PhilA> s/fture/future/
17:33:50 <PhilA> sandro: We can publish directly from the wiki using a transformation script we have
Sandro Hawke: We can publish directly from the wiki using a transformation script we have ←
17:34:09 <PhilA> sandro: It's called RevDoc. It's only my WGs that have used it
Sandro Hawke: It's called RevDoc. It's only my WGs that have used it ←
17:34:13 <PhilA> ... so far
... so far ←
17:34:17 <PhilA> ... code is not polished
... code is not polished ←
17:34:32 <PhilA> ... alternative is to convert to respec which a lot of folk prefer
... alternative is to convert to respec which a lot of folk prefer ←
17:34:36 <Zakim> +GeraldSteeman
Zakim IRC Bot: +GeraldSteeman ←
17:35:03 <PhilA> bernHyland: does it require your help to use RevDoc?
Bernadette Hyland: does it require your help to use RevDoc? ←
17:35:14 <PhilA> sandro: yes - incantations and bones are involved
Sandro Hawke: yes - incantations and bones are involved ←
17:35:22 <PhilA> sandro: it could be useful but there are alternatives
Sandro Hawke: it could be useful but there are alternatives ←
17:36:00 <PhilA> bernHyland: Respec is the alternative
Bernadette Hyland: Respec is the alternative ←
17:36:13 <cygri> q+ to mention ReSpec 2
Richard Cyganiak: q+ to mention ReSpec 2 ←
17:36:21 <PhilA> bh: I'm familiar with Respec so I'd rather use that
Bernadette Hyland: I'm familiar with Respec so I'd rather use that ←
17:37:00 <PhilA> bh: I'll need help from people to make sure that they remember to record who changes what and when
Bernadette Hyland: I'll need help from people to make sure that they remember to record who changes what and when ←
17:37:32 <bhyland> ping
Bernadette Hyland: ping ←
17:37:38 <boris> http://dev.w3.org/2009/respec2/
Boris Villazón-Terrazas: http://dev.w3.org/2009/respec2/ ←
17:38:01 <cygri> ack me
Richard Cyganiak: ack me ←
17:38:01 <Zakim> cygri, you wanted to mention ReSpec 2
Zakim IRC Bot: cygri, you wanted to mention ReSpec 2 ←
17:38:28 <PhilA> bh: There seemed to be a lot of activity last September in terms for formatting that we can look at
Bernadette Hyland: There seemed to be a lot of activity last September in terms for formatting that we can look at ←
17:39:06 <cygri> q+ to ask what documents the group is going to publish
Richard Cyganiak: q+ to ask what documents the group is going to publish ←
17:39:51 <PhilA> sandro: One month off is OK. But we can put changes on the front page of the wiki
Sandro Hawke: One month off is OK. But we can put changes on the front page of the wiki ←
17:39:54 <PhilA> ack cygri
ack cygri ←
17:39:58 <Zakim> cygri, you wanted to ask what documents the group is going to publish
Zakim IRC Bot: cygri, you wanted to ask what documents the group is going to publish ←
17:40:02 <bhyland> q?
Bernadette Hyland: q? ←
17:40:17 <PhilA> cygri: Do we have something like a complete list of the documents that the WG is going to produce (Rec and non-Rec)
Richard Cyganiak: Do we have something like a complete list of the documents that the WG is going to produce (Rec and non-Rec) ←
17:40:41 <DaveReynolds> +1 a clear list of docs and intended status would be helpful
Dave Reynolds: +1 a clear list of docs and intended status would be helpful ←
17:40:55 <PhilA> bhyland: The community directory is published, BPs will be a Rec,
Bernadette Hyland: The community directory is published, BPs will be a Rec, ←
17:41:13 <BenediktKaempgen> +1 to list of documents that will be produced
Benedikt Kaempgen: +1 to list of documents that will be produced ←
17:41:26 <PhilA> sandro: The Wg should do what it thinks is best, there are no rules as such
Sandro Hawke: The Wg should do what it thinks is best, there are no rules as such ←
17:41:58 <PhilA> bhyland: We should put things that logically go together in a single doc. For e.g. we might have a lot of stuff about URI consutruction that could be separate
Bernadette Hyland: We should put things that logically go together in a single doc. For e.g. we might have a lot of stuff about URI consutruction that could be separate ←
17:42:18 <PhilA> bhyland: The Cookbook isn't a Rec - it could become part of the directory
Bernadette Hyland: The Cookbook isn't a Rec - it could become part of the directory ←
17:43:09 <PhilA> George_: The milestones section of the charter says that the directory and cookbook are separate
George Thomas: The milestones section of the charter says that the directory and cookbook are separate ←
17:43:23 <PhilA> sandro: I think we should remain open to splitting docs as we see fit
Sandro Hawke: I think we should remain open to splitting docs as we see fit ←
17:43:24 <mhausenblas> Michael: Regarding publishing the BP FPWD, I think boris and I already had a chat, no? Boris, can you share our proposal on the call, please?
Michael Hausenblas: Regarding publishing the BP FPWD, I think boris and I already had a chat, no? Boris, can you share our proposal on the call, please? [ Scribe Assist by Michael Hausenblas ] ←
17:43:44 <boris> q+
17:44:03 <DaveReynolds> q+
Dave Reynolds: q+ ←
17:44:12 <mhausenblas> Michael: Essentially, the idea was to manually transfer the content from the Wiki - we're three Editors, so workload-wise this should work
Michael Hausenblas: Essentially, the idea was to manually transfer the content from the Wiki - we're three Editors, so workload-wise this should work [ Scribe Assist by Michael Hausenblas ] ←
17:44:47 <Zakim> +sandro.a
Zakim IRC Bot: +sandro.a ←
17:44:50 <PhilA> cygri: I thought the Recommended vocabs were going to be in separate docs (DCAT and Data Cube) but I don't know about the otehr areas
Richard Cyganiak: I thought the Recommended vocabs were going to be in separate docs (DCAT and Data Cube) but I don't know about the otehr areas ←
17:44:50 <Zakim> -sandro
Zakim IRC Bot: -sandro ←
17:45:04 <DaveReynolds> q-
Dave Reynolds: q- ←
17:45:04 <bhyland> cygri: suggested re: recommended vocabs, have one doc for DCAT, another for DataCube
Richard Cyganiak: suggested re: recommended vocabs, have one doc for DCAT, another for DataCube [ Scribe Assist by Bernadette Hyland ] ←
17:45:13 <mhausenblas> Michael: Just to make it clear - I'm against the script-based version from the Wiki as we have a rather messy structure there and I don't wanna play guinea pig. sorry sandro, no offence meant
Michael Hausenblas: Just to make it clear - I'm against the script-based version from the Wiki as we have a rather messy structure there and I don't wanna play guinea pig. sorry sandro, no offence meant [ Scribe Assist by Michael Hausenblas ] ←
17:45:34 <PhilA> sandro: If we're just going to endorse someone else's vocab we don't need a big doc for that
Sandro Hawke: If we're just going to endorse someone else's vocab we don't need a big doc for that ←
17:45:45 <PhilA> bhyland: How much of the data cube spec is already written?
Bernadette Hyland: How much of the data cube spec is already written? ←
17:46:17 <PhilA> cygri: We have a spec that is pretty much ready. We might want to add things and improve things but in principle there is an existing spec that covers what you woujld expect it to
Richard Cyganiak: We have a spec that is pretty much ready. We might want to add things and improve things but in principle there is an existing spec that covers what you woujld expect it to ←
17:46:35 <PhilA> ... we will need to write more if we decide that there are issues that need to be addressed?
... we will need to write more if we decide that there are issues that need to be addressed? ←
17:47:12 <PhilA> bhyland: Is there any benefit for having this as a separate doc?
Bernadette Hyland: Is there any benefit for having this as a separate doc? ←
17:47:15 <DaveReynolds> +1 that's what I thought
Dave Reynolds: +1 that's what I thought ←
17:47:29 <PhilA> cygri: Yes, that makes sense and I already have an action item to create it
Richard Cyganiak: Yes, that makes sense and I already have an action item to create it ←
17:47:37 <PhilA> ... with help from DaveReynolds et al
... with help from DaveReynolds et al ←
17:47:50 <BenediktKaempgen> +1 QB should be an own spec
Benedikt Kaempgen: +1 QB should be an own spec ←
17:48:00 <mhausenblas> +1
Michael Hausenblas: +1 ←
17:48:01 <boris> +1 separate spec for qb
Boris Villazón-Terrazas: +1 separate spec for qb ←
17:48:15 <bhyland> q?
Bernadette Hyland: q? ←
17:48:17 <PhilA> ack boris
ack boris ←
17:48:58 <PhilA> boris: wrt the draft of the BP spec - we (Michael, Bern and I will create the doc, people only need to update the wiki)
Boris Villazón-Terrazas: wrt the draft of the BP spec - we (Michael, Bern and I will create the doc, people only need to update the wiki) ←
17:49:03 <PhilA> bhyland: Agreed
Bernadette Hyland: Agreed ←
17:49:12 <PhilA> Topic: Community Directory
17:49:44 <PhilA> Slides are at http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/wiki/images/c/c6/BHyland_W3C_GLD_WG_F2F2_Directory.pdf
Slides are at http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/wiki/images/c/c6/BHyland_W3C_GLD_WG_F2F2_Directory.pdf ←
17:50:32 <PhilA> bhyland: The idea is the the CD (Community Directory) is a place where people not necessarily familiar with LD can get some guidance
Bernadette Hyland: The idea is the the CD (Community Directory) is a place where people not necessarily familiar with LD can get some guidance ←
17:50:53 <PhilA> bhyland: The initial CD was put together with some loose requirements from the June f2f
Bernadette Hyland: The initial CD was put together with some loose requirements from the June f2f ←
17:53:12 <PhilA> bhyland: Talks through her slides
Bernadette Hyland: Talks through her slides ←
17:53:59 <PhilA> bhyland: Haven't had a lot of feedback - need and would like more
Bernadette Hyland: Haven't had a lot of feedback - need and would like more ←
17:54:14 <DaveReynolds> zakim, mute me
Dave Reynolds: zakim, mute me ←
17:54:14 <Zakim> DaveReynolds should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: DaveReynolds should now be muted ←
17:54:18 <PhilA> bhyland: So where do we go? semanticweb.org? SWEO?
Bernadette Hyland: So where do we go? semanticweb.org? SWEO? ←
17:54:39 <PhilA> bhyland: Now that we have a working site, we can seek feedback, maybe open it up
Bernadette Hyland: Now that we have a working site, we can seek feedback, maybe open it up ←
17:55:10 <PhilA> q?
q? ←
17:55:13 <bhyland> q?
Bernadette Hyland: q? ←
17:55:14 <George_> q?
George Thomas: q? ←
17:55:25 <Mike_Pendleton> q?
Michael Pendleton: q? ←
17:56:33 <PhilA> bhyland: I think the first thing is to make sure that people think it's a good idea
Bernadette Hyland: I think the first thing is to make sure that people think it's a good idea ←
17:56:48 <olyerickson> RE UI, actually simple is good --- priority should be *useful*
John Erickson: RE UI, actually simple is good --- priority should be *useful* ←
17:57:28 <PhilA> bhyland: Biplav asked what a company like IBM should put in? What's the (relevant) address for IBM?
Bernadette Hyland: Biplav asked what a company like IBM should put in? What's the (relevant) address for IBM? ←
17:57:41 <George_> bhyland: addresses for global/multi-national concern is good topic for vocab rec tomorrow
Bernadette Hyland: addresses for global/multi-national concern is good topic for vocab rec tomorrow [ Scribe Assist by George Thomas ] ←
17:57:48 <PhilA> cygri: DERI is listed in there. We did that because we were asked to do it
Richard Cyganiak: DERI is listed in there. We did that because we were asked to do it ←
17:58:05 <PhilA> cygri: But I was thinking about why I should want to return to it to make sure our data is up to date?
Richard Cyganiak: But I was thinking about why I should want to return to it to make sure our data is up to date? ←
17:58:16 <olyerickson> q+
John Erickson: q+ ←
17:58:28 <George_> cygri: what's the incentive for data freshness on the CD?
Richard Cyganiak: what's the incentive for data freshness on the CD? [ Scribe Assist by George Thomas ] ←
17:58:31 <PhilA> cygri: If people come here to find info about expertise then obviously we'd want to be properly represented
Richard Cyganiak: If people come here to find info about expertise then obviously we'd want to be properly represented ←
17:58:56 <PhilA> cygri: We have an interest in being found if people are looking for LD expertise in Ireland
Richard Cyganiak: We have an interest in being found if people are looking for LD expertise in Ireland ←
17:59:32 <DeirdreLee> we need a vocabulary to describe Linked Data domain :)
Deirdre Lee: we need a vocabulary to describe Linked Data domain :) ←
17:59:35 <PhilA> cygri: I'd be interested to know who else is working on the kind of thing we do
Richard Cyganiak: I'd be interested to know who else is working on the kind of thing we do ←
17:59:46 <George_> cygri: LD Communities of Interest/Practice query where?
Richard Cyganiak: LD Communities of Interest/Practice query where? [ Scribe Assist by George Thomas ] ←
18:00:42 <olyerickson> q?
John Erickson: q? ←
18:01:20 <PhilA> bhyland: We used the W3C CSS and then made changes - we'd like to make the side panel batter
Bernadette Hyland: We used the W3C CSS and then made changes - we'd like to make the side panel batter ←
18:01:23 <sandro> q+
Sandro Hawke: q+ ←
18:01:24 <bhyland> q?
Bernadette Hyland: q? ←
18:01:24 <olyerickson> q?
John Erickson: q? ←
18:01:38 <olyerickson> zakim, unmute me.
John Erickson: zakim, unmute me. ←
18:01:38 <Zakim> olyerickson should no longer be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: olyerickson should no longer be muted ←
18:02:34 <PhilA> olyerickson: Don't be too hard on yourself. It looks good and it's hard to do faceted browsing
John Erickson: Don't be too hard on yourself. It looks good and it's hard to do faceted browsing ←
18:03:25 <PhilA> olyerickson: There seems to be some interlinking that is not linking up. If you choose a company, then look at the topics, then try and click on those, what you expect to see is a re-listing of relevant companies
John Erickson: There seems to be some interlinking that is not linking up. If you choose a company, then look at the topics, then try and click on those, what you expect to see is a re-listing of relevant companies ←
18:04:29 <PhilA> bhyland: Agree it would be useful to have tool tips around different terms
Bernadette Hyland: Agree it would be useful to have tool tips around different terms ←
18:04:37 <cygri> q+
Richard Cyganiak: q+ ←
18:04:38 <PhilA> ... such as adding tool tips
... such as adding tool tips ←
18:04:41 <PhilA> ack olyerickson
ack olyerickson ←
18:04:47 <olyerickson> q-
John Erickson: q- ←
18:05:35 <PhilA> bhyland: I agree with cygri that if you know people are finding you through the DIR then you'll be more careful about keeping it up to date
Bernadette Hyland: I agree with cygri that if you know people are finding you through the DIR then you'll be more careful about keeping it up to date ←
18:05:41 <PhilA> ]ack sandro
]ack sandro ←
18:05:43 <bhyland> q?
Bernadette Hyland: q? ←
18:05:45 <PhilA> ack sandro
ack sandro ←
18:06:26 <Mike_Pendleton> q+
Michael Pendleton: q+ ←
18:06:47 <PhilA> sandro: I'm super picky about sites as a user. But I do have to wonder about a bit of usability testing wouldn't be a bad thing. Unless it delivers a good experience on attempt 1 you might lose people
Sandro Hawke: I'm super picky about sites as a user. But I do have to wonder about a bit of usability testing wouldn't be a bad thing. Unless it delivers a good experience on attempt 1 you might lose people ←
18:07:07 <PhilA> sandro: Are there way that other people could contribute improvements? Fork?
Sandro Hawke: Are there way that other people could contribute improvements? Fork? ←
18:07:24 <Zakim> -DaveReynolds
Zakim IRC Bot: -DaveReynolds ←
18:07:30 <PhilA> sandro: I'm not sure how Callimachus puts things together. Are there grad students that could do stuff with it?
Sandro Hawke: I'm not sure how Callimachus puts things together. Are there grad students that could do stuff with it? ←
18:08:01 <PhilA> bhyland: They're welcome to download the code and work on it. This is built on v.12 - we're now on v.16 which now includes import/export of apps
Bernadette Hyland: They're welcome to download the code and work on it. This is built on v.12 - we're now on v.16 which now includes import/export of apps ←
18:08:19 <PhilA> bhyland: updating the instance doesn't take a lot of work
Bernadette Hyland: updating the instance doesn't take a lot of work ←
18:08:50 <PhilA> bhyland: There's not a large technical hurdle to overcome. Just a bit of CSS and JS
Bernadette Hyland: There's not a large technical hurdle to overcome. Just a bit of CSS and JS ←
18:09:09 <PhilA> ... what I'd like is a list of features that we can fix
... what I'd like is a list of features that we can fix ←
18:09:17 <PhilA> ... expecially if they're trivial!
... especially if they're trivial! ←
18:09:39 <PhilA> s/expecially/especially/
18:10:07 <PhilA> bhyland: We went to a lot of trouble to get it on a w3 domain for reasons of permanence etc. Got to be easy to use
Bernadette Hyland: We went to a lot of trouble to get it on a w3 domain for reasons of permanence etc. Got to be easy to use ←
18:10:15 <PhilA> sandro: Do you have an issues list?
Sandro Hawke: Do you have an issues list? ←
18:10:24 <olyerickson> @sandro VERY good point!!
John Erickson: @sandro VERY good point!! ←
18:10:30 <cygri> +1 to sandro
Richard Cyganiak: +1 to sandro ←
18:10:38 <olyerickson> is there a github wiki?
John Erickson: is there a github wiki? ←
18:10:43 <PhilA> bhyland: I'll ask James how he wants to queue up issues
Bernadette Hyland: I'll ask James how he wants to queue up issues ←
18:11:14 <PhilA> bhyland: Things like needing a login is surprising
Bernadette Hyland: Things like needing a login is surprising ←
18:11:23 <sandro> q?
Sandro Hawke: q? ←
18:11:24 <olyerickson> What is the code host? github? Google Code? each have built-in issues trackers
John Erickson: What is the code host? github? Google Code? each have built-in issues trackers ←
18:11:25 <PhilA> .... but maybe that's a good thing to prevent the spam
.... but maybe that's a good thing to prevent the spam ←
18:11:45 <sandro> action: bhyland to set up an issues list for dir.w3.org
ACTION: bhyland to set up an issues list for dir.w3.org ←
18:11:46 <trackbot> Created ACTION-33 - Set up an issues list for dir.w3.org [on Bernadette Hyland - due 2012-02-01].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-33 - Set up an issues list for dir.w3.org [on Bernadette Hyland - due 2012-02-01]. ←
18:12:10 <olyerickson> Problem solved: http://code.google.com/p/callimachus/issues/list
John Erickson: Problem solved: http://code.google.com/p/callimachus/issues/list ←
18:12:19 <PhilA> bhyland: Then we can see what is easy and what needs more work to implement, prioritise etc.
Bernadette Hyland: Then we can see what is easy and what needs more work to implement, prioritise etc. ←
18:12:29 <George_> q?
George Thomas: q? ←
18:12:32 <bhyland> q?
Bernadette Hyland: q? ←
18:12:36 <olyerickson> Ah okay
John Erickson: Ah okay ←
18:12:48 <PhilA> sandro: There's a Callimachus issues list, what we need is a dir.w3.org issue list
Sandro Hawke: There's a Callimachus issues list, what we need is a dir.w3.org issue list ←
18:12:58 <olyerickson> @sandro thanks for the clarification
John Erickson: @sandro thanks for the clarification ←
18:13:05 <bhyland> q?
Bernadette Hyland: q? ←
18:13:07 <PhilA> bhyland: Obviously James and I are best places to decide if it's a Callimachus or dir.w3.org issue
Bernadette Hyland: Obviously James and I are best places to decide if it's a Callimachus or dir.w3.org issue ←
18:13:12 <PhilA> ack cygri
ack cygri ←
18:13:35 <PhilA> cygri: I wanted to give an armchair view of usability but not sure if that' the bets use of our time?
Richard Cyganiak: I wanted to give an armchair view of usability but not sure if that' the bets use of our time? ←
18:13:36 <sandro> now you can submit issues. :-)
Sandro Hawke: now you can submit issues. :-) ←
18:14:25 <BartvanLeeuwen> q+
Bart van Leeuwen: q+ ←
18:14:29 <PhilA> bhyland: I have an bias towards action - I was expecting some philosophical issues to deal with
Bernadette Hyland: I have an bias towards action - I was expecting some philosophical issues to deal with ←
18:14:38 <PhilA> ack Mike_Pendleton
ack Mike_Pendleton ←
18:14:44 <cygri> on the philosophical side, i just want to know whether it's httpRange-14 compliant
Richard Cyganiak: on the philosophical side, i just want to know whether it's httpRange-14 compliant ←
18:15:05 <PhilA> I'm going to need to ask other people in the government space and see what they expect and compare it with what there is
I'm going to need to ask other people in the government space and see what they expect and compare it with what there is ←
18:15:47 <t_gheen> Mike_Pendleton: bugs in Firefox display
Michael Pendleton: bugs in Firefox display [ Scribe Assist by Tina Gheen ] ←
18:15:49 <PhilA> Mike_Pendleton: The left had side has a list of things that may or may not mean anything to people. ... Conversation then found a bug
Michael Pendleton: The left had side has a list of things that may or may not mean anything to people. ... Conversation then found a bug ←
18:16:32 <PhilA> Mike_Pendleton: continues to give thoughts to bhyland who takes notes...
Michael Pendleton: continues to give thoughts to bhyland who takes notes... ←
18:17:38 <cygri> q+
Richard Cyganiak: q+ ←
18:17:55 <t_gheen> bhyland: how about visualizations?
Bernadette Hyland: how about visualizations? [ Scribe Assist by Tina Gheen ] ←
18:17:58 <bhyland> http://dir.w3.org/page/number-of-organizations-by-country.xhtml?view
Bernadette Hyland: http://dir.w3.org/page/number-of-organizations-by-country.xhtml?view ←
18:18:04 <t_gheen> ... names queries?
Tina Gheen: ... named queries? ←
18:18:11 <t_gheen> s/names/named
18:18:32 <sandro> Hmmm. When I'm looking at an "area of expertise", like http://dir.w3.org/scheme/organizational+categories/rdf+store?view ... I don't see who has that expertise.
Sandro Hawke: Hmmm. When I'm looking at an "area of expertise", like http://dir.w3.org/scheme/organizational+categories/rdf+store?view ... I don't see who has that expertise. ←
18:18:33 <t_gheen> ... are there other ways to view the information that are more meaninful?
Tina Gheen: ... are there other ways to view the information that are more meaninful? ←
18:18:34 <olyerickson> Not sure what you're looking at...
John Erickson: Not sure what you're looking at... ←
18:18:42 <cygri> q?
Richard Cyganiak: q? ←
18:19:19 <olyerickson> Okay, bhyland was referring to visualizations on http://dir.w3.org/page/number-of-organizations-by-country.xhtml?view
John Erickson: Okay, bhyland was referring to visualizations on http://dir.w3.org/page/number-of-organizations-by-country.xhtml?view ←
18:19:40 <t_gheen> bhyland: any suggestions for linking up with egov interest group?
Bernadette Hyland: any suggestions for linking up with egov interest group? [ Scribe Assist by Tina Gheen ] ←
18:19:50 <t_gheen> ... open knowledge foundation
Tina Gheen: ... open knowledge foundation ←
18:20:42 <olyerickson> q?
John Erickson: q? ←
18:21:20 <bhyland> q?
Bernadette Hyland: q? ←
18:22:02 <PhilA> PhilA: That's best achieved by a personal conversation
Phil Archer: That's best achieved by a personal conversation ←
18:22:20 <PhilA> cygri: We work with OKFN and can tell them about it. The DIR isn't quite there yet though
Richard Cyganiak: We work with OKFN and can tell them about it. The DIR isn't quite there yet though ←
18:23:35 <boris> q?
18:23:41 <bhyland> q?
Bernadette Hyland: q? ←
18:23:52 <PhilA> ack BartvanLeeuwen
ack BartvanLeeuwen ←
18:23:59 <t_gheen> ACTION: bhyland convene a meeting on armchair usability for community directory
ACTION: bhyland convene a meeting on armchair usability for community directory ←
18:24:00 <trackbot> Created ACTION-34 - Convene a meeting on armchair usability for community directory [on Bernadette Hyland - due 2012-02-01].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-34 - Convene a meeting on armchair usability for community directory [on Bernadette Hyland - due 2012-02-01]. ←
18:24:31 <PhilA> BartvanLeeuwen: Backing up a bit... if we think about being able to pull some data directly from the Web, perhaps through gr: data?
Bart van Leeuwen: Backing up a bit... if we think about being able to pull some data directly from the Web, perhaps through gr: data? ←
18:25:04 <George_> BartvanLeeuwen: GR for company products services (Deirdre - vocab for LD domain?)
Bart van Leeuwen: GR for company products services (Deirdre - vocab for LD domain?) [ Scribe Assist by George Thomas ] ←
18:25:26 <t_gheen> bhyland: how does GR pull/update company info?
Bernadette Hyland: how does GR pull/update company info? [ Scribe Assist by Tina Gheen ] ←
18:25:38 <PhilA> bhyland: I think it's a really good suggestion.
Bernadette Hyland: I think it's a really good suggestion. ←
18:25:52 <George_> ... and then pull that from where ever into the CD
George Thomas: ... and then pull that from where ever into the CD ←
18:25:56 <PhilA> Lots of red faces around the table looking at the large pile of uneaten dog food
Lots of red faces around the table looking at the large pile of uneaten dog food ←
18:26:04 <sandro> q+
Sandro Hawke: q+ ←
18:26:38 <PhilA> bhyland: We could offer guidance on what RDFa to include on your site, then we could accept a URL of a page to parse and then that could be added to the directory
Bernadette Hyland: We could offer guidance on what RDFa to include on your site, then we could accept a URL of a page to parse and then that could be added to the directory ←
18:26:39 <t_gheen> bhyland: if there was basic RDFa on someone's site, how can we automatically update their info in the directory?
Bernadette Hyland: if there was basic RDFa on someone's site, how can we automatically update their info in the directory? [ Scribe Assist by Tina Gheen ] ←
18:26:51 <PhilA> bhyland: It's tiresome to have to enter that by hand in 2012
Bernadette Hyland: It's tiresome to have to enter that by hand in 2012 ←
18:27:14 <PhilA> sandro: I think we'd want to support the system being able to import data from a given location
Sandro Hawke: I think we'd want to support the system being able to import data from a given location ←
18:27:23 <PhilA> BartvanLeeuwen: and preferably auto-updating too
Bart van Leeuwen: and preferably auto-updating too ←
18:27:35 <George_> sandro: auto slurping high on list of to do's in general
Sandro Hawke: auto slurping high on list of to do's in general [ Scribe Assist by George Thomas ] ←
18:27:36 <cygri> washington seems to have dropped off skype?
Richard Cyganiak: washington seems to have dropped off skype? ←
18:27:43 <olyerickson> q+
John Erickson: q+ ←
18:27:43 <DeirdreLee> Core business vocabulary?
Deirdre Lee: Core business vocabulary? ←
18:27:51 <t_gheen> bhyland: what is the state of the art for scraping a page, RDFa?
Bernadette Hyland: what is the state of the art for scraping a page, RDFa? [ Scribe Assist by Tina Gheen ] ←
18:28:01 <PhilA> bhyland: What's the state of the art for being able to scrape a site for RDFa,
Bernadette Hyland: What's the state of the art for being able to scrape a site for RDFa, ←
18:28:14 <PhilA> sandro: It doesn't have to be RDFa, it can be any RDF format
Sandro Hawke: It doesn't have to be RDFa, it can be any RDF format ←
18:28:15 <DeirdreLee> https://joinup.ec.europa.eu/asset/core_business/home
Deirdre Lee: https://joinup.ec.europa.eu/asset/core_business/home ←
18:28:22 <PhilA> BartvanLeeuwen: I'm willing to take a look at it
Bart van Leeuwen: I'm willing to take a look at it ←
18:29:04 <PhilA> bhyland: take our site - say we had a book that we'd published. And we marked up the page with data. How to do we say look at this and this but not that
Bernadette Hyland: take our site - say we had a book that we'd published. And we marked up the page with data. How to do we say look at this and this but not that ←
18:29:05 <olyerickson> q?
John Erickson: q? ←
18:29:09 <olyerickson> q?
John Erickson: q? ←
18:29:16 <cygri> q+ to say this is not on the critical path for the community directory
Richard Cyganiak: q+ to say this is not on the critical path for the community directory ←
18:29:36 <PhilA> BartvanLeeuwen: If you look at GR you can say what your service offerings are
Bart van Leeuwen: If you look at GR you can say what your service offerings are ←
18:30:28 <George_> action: BartvanLeeuwen to investigate GR ingest from CD provided page
ACTION: BartvanLeeuwen to investigate GR ingest from CD provided page ←
18:30:29 <trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - BartvanLeeuwen
Trackbot IRC Bot: Sorry, couldn't find user - BartvanLeeuwen ←
18:30:32 <olyerickson> q?
John Erickson: q? ←
18:30:57 <PhilA> action: BartvanLeeuwen to investigate how Good Relations etc could assist with automatically filling up the directory
ACTION: BartvanLeeuwen to investigate how Good Relations etc could assist with automatically filling up the directory ←
18:30:57 <trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - BartvanLeeuwen
Trackbot IRC Bot: Sorry, couldn't find user - BartvanLeeuwen ←
18:31:05 <olyerickson> can we please not make this more complicated than necessary
John Erickson: can we please not make this more complicated than necessary ←
18:31:10 <PhilA> action: Leeuwen to investigate how Good Relations etc could assist with automatically filling up the directory
ACTION: Leeuwen to investigate how Good Relations etc could assist with automatically filling up the directory ←
18:31:11 <trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - Leeuwen
Trackbot IRC Bot: Sorry, couldn't find user - Leeuwen ←
18:31:18 <PhilA> action: van Leeuwen to investigate how Good Relations etc could assist with automatically filling up the directory
ACTION: van Leeuwen to investigate how Good Relations etc could assist with automatically filling up the directory ←
18:31:18 <trackbot> Created ACTION-35 - Leeuwen to investigate how Good Relations etc could assist with automatically filling up the directory [on Bart van Leeuwen - due 2012-02-01].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-35 - Leeuwen to investigate how Good Relations etc could assist with automatically filling up the directory [on Bart van Leeuwen - due 2012-02-01]. ←
18:31:25 <PhilA> ack cygri
ack cygri ←
18:31:25 <Zakim> cygri, you wanted to say this is not on the critical path for the community directory
Zakim IRC Bot: cygri, you wanted to say this is not on the critical path for the community directory ←
18:31:27 <bhyland> q?
Bernadette Hyland: q? ←
18:31:28 <George_> q?
George Thomas: q? ←
18:32:04 <PhilA> cygri: I'm all for eating our own dog food. At the same time, to make the CD a success, the question of whetehr it can slup in RDFa is not necessarily the most important
Richard Cyganiak: I'm all for eating our own dog food. At the same time, to make the CD a success, the question of whetehr it can slup in RDFa is not necessarily the most important ←
18:32:15 <George_> but it does speak to the freshness and updating issue :)
George Thomas: but it does speak to the freshness and updating issue :) ←
18:32:20 <PhilA> cygri: I don't want to discourage people looking at it, but it's not priority number 1
Richard Cyganiak: I don't want to discourage people looking at it, but it's not priority number 1 ←
18:32:38 <PhilA> cygri: So this is a vendor directory for LD organisations etc, yes?
Richard Cyganiak: So this is a vendor directory for LD organisations etc, yes? ←
18:32:57 <PhilA> cygri: Are there similar examples of sites that do the same for other areas?
Richard Cyganiak: Are there similar examples of sites that do the same for other areas? ←
18:32:57 <bhyland> It is broader than a vendor directory.
Bernadette Hyland: It is broader than a vendor directory. ←
18:33:17 <bhyland> Cygri: is there an analogous site to this one?
Richard Cyganiak: is there an analogous site to this one? [ Scribe Assist by Bernadette Hyland ] ←
18:33:20 <PhilA> cygri: Can we find an example of something that achieves what we want to do in a differnt domain?
Richard Cyganiak: Can we find an example of something that achieves what we want to do in a differnt domain? ←
18:33:34 <PhilA> bhyland: The library community likes directories
Bernadette Hyland: The library community likes directories ←
18:33:43 <PhilA> bhyland: It's not just about vendors
Bernadette Hyland: It's not just about vendors ←
18:33:56 <George_> agree with Mike_Pendleton wrt being aligned with Procurement
George Thomas: agree with Mike_Pendleton wrt being aligned with Procurement ←
18:33:57 <PhilA> bhyland: It's about finding expertise, whether commercial, academic or whatever
Bernadette Hyland: It's about finding expertise, whether commercial, academic or whatever ←
18:34:38 <t_gheen> bhyland: there are many examples of these kinds of directories - ex. travel sites
Bernadette Hyland: there are many examples of these kinds of directories - ex. travel sites [ Scribe Assist by Tina Gheen ] ←
18:34:48 <boris> biomedical directories
Boris Villazón-Terrazas: biomedical directories ←
18:35:32 <PhilA> ack olyerickson
ack olyerickson ←
18:35:45 <PhilA> olyerickson: I'll reinforce what others have said about KISS
John Erickson: I'll reinforce what others have said about KISS ←
18:36:09 <PhilA> olyerickson: It's hard to get people to add their data, even harder to get them to recode their websites
John Erickson: It's hard to get people to add their data, even harder to get them to recode their websites ←
18:36:22 <DeirdreLee> q+
Deirdre Lee: q+ ←
18:36:46 <PhilA> ... if we want to be able to slurp in pre-cooked RDF then great, but maybe that should be a separate file
... if we want to be able to slurp in pre-cooked RDF then great, but maybe that should be a separate file ←
18:37:03 <PhilA> olyerickson: an option for GR is having a separate location of the RDF info
John Erickson: an option for GR is having a separate location of the RDF info ←
18:37:14 <sandro> q-
Sandro Hawke: q- ←
18:37:40 <PhilA> olyerickson: If I add my company info into the CD then it would be nice if the CD made an RDF file available that I could then add to my site
John Erickson: If I add my company info into the CD then it would be nice if the CD made an RDF file available that I could then add to my site ←
18:37:49 <PhilA> bhyland: Love that suggestion
Bernadette Hyland: Love that suggestion ←
18:38:08 <PhilA> bhyland: It's a Foafomatic tool - great
Bernadette Hyland: It's a Foafomatic tool - great ←
18:38:26 <George_> me thinks that's what BartvanLeeuwen meant in the first place, + the idea that callimachus could/should also serve as a RDFa template for those that can/will publish that
George Thomas: me thinks that's what BartvanLeeuwen meant in the first place, + the idea that callimachus could/should also serve as a RDFa template for those that can/will publish that ←
18:38:35 <PhilA> bhyland: You get something back for your effort
Bernadette Hyland: You get something back for your effort ←
18:38:41 <BartvanLeeuwen> George_, ack
Bart van Leeuwen: George_, ack ←
18:38:45 <PhilA> ack DeirdreLee
ack DeirdreLee ←
18:38:46 <olyerickson> ;)
John Erickson: ;) ←
18:39:17 <PhilA> DeirdreLee: It seems the CD seems to be taking a centralised approach. We want people to put theire data out there and then third party tools can use it
Deirdre Lee: It seems the CD seems to be taking a centralised approach. We want people to put theire data out there and then third party tools can use it ←
18:39:29 <PhilA> DeirdreLee: And the CD is a third party tool in this context
Deirdre Lee: And the CD is a third party tool in this context ←
18:39:46 <sandro> q+ to rebut that
Sandro Hawke: q+ to rebut that ←
18:39:59 <George_> otherwise we'll pull it from dbpedia :)
George Thomas: otherwise we'll pull it from dbpedia :) ←
18:40:14 <sandro> q-
Sandro Hawke: q- ←
18:40:16 <PhilA> bhyland: Yep, think distributed, think linked data
Bernadette Hyland: Yep, think distributed, think linked data ←
18:40:28 <sandro> q+
Sandro Hawke: q+ ←
18:40:55 <sandro> q-
Sandro Hawke: q- ←
18:40:57 <PhilA> bhyland: summarises what she's taken down so far (and Sandro reminds her he's on the q)
Bernadette Hyland: summarises what she's taken down so far (and Sandro reminds her he's on the q) ←
18:41:52 <t_gheen> Topic: Linked Data Cookbook
18:42:42 <boris> http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/wiki/Linked_Data_Cookbook
Boris Villazón-Terrazas: http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/wiki/Linked_Data_Cookbook ←
18:43:24 <PhilA> bhyland: It uses a linking gov data chapter I wrote from last November
Bernadette Hyland: It uses a linking gov data chapter I wrote from last November ←
18:43:36 <PhilA> ... we got permission to keep the copyright
... we got permission to keep the copyright ←
18:43:45 <PhilA> ... some of it prob belongs in the best practices
... some of it prob belongs in the best practices ←
18:44:01 <PhilA> ... useful if you've had a chance to review it of course
... useful if you've had a chance to review it of course ←
18:44:30 <PhilA> boris: The content looks the same as the BP working draft - is it not the same?
Boris Villazón-Terrazas: The content looks the same as the BP working draft - is it not the same? ←
18:45:00 <PhilA> cygri: Refers to the charter...
Richard Cyganiak: Refers to the charter... ←
18:45:14 <cygri> The group will produce a collection of advice on smaller, more specific issues, where known solutions exist to problems collected for the Community Directory. This document is to be published as a Working Group Note, or website, rather than a Recommendation. It may, instead, become part of the Community Directory site.
Richard Cyganiak: The group will produce a collection of advice on smaller, more specific issues, where known solutions exist to problems collected for the Community Directory. This document is to be published as a Working Group Note, or website, rather than a Recommendation. It may, instead, become part of the Community Directory site. ←
18:46:22 <BenediktKaempgen> +q
Benedikt Kaempgen: +q ←
18:46:57 <PhilA> BenediktKaempgen: We have been talking about the BP as a static document and it shouldn't be too specific as it will go out of date. The cookbook is more of a live document/resource
Benedikt Kaempgen: We have been talking about the BP as a static document and it shouldn't be too specific as it will go out of date. The cookbook is more of a live document/resource ←
18:47:15 <PhilA> BartvanLeeuwen: I see it as a more specific document and yes, a living one
Bart van Leeuwen: I see it as a more specific document and yes, a living one ←
18:47:24 <George_> ack BenediktKaempgen
George Thomas: ack BenediktKaempgen ←
18:47:38 <DeirdreLee> q+
Deirdre Lee: q+ ←
18:47:52 <PhilA> BenediktKaempgen: For example, a list of the current, most important vocabularies - that's a useful start for individuals
Benedikt Kaempgen: For example, a list of the current, most important vocabularies - that's a useful start for individuals ←
18:48:06 <George_> BenediktKaempgen: posits list of vocabs as example of 'smaller more specific'
Benedikt Kaempgen: posits list of vocabs as example of 'smaller more specific' [ Scribe Assist by George Thomas ] ←
18:48:07 <sandro> how about: when to use RDF/XML vs Turtle vs RDFa vs SPARQL ?
Sandro Hawke: how about: when to use RDF/XML vs Turtle vs RDFa vs SPARQL ? ←
18:48:11 <PhilA> ... so the criteria go in the BP doc, ones that meeti the crierta go in the cookbook
... so the criteria go in the BP doc, ones that meeti the crierta go in the cookbook ←
18:48:16 <PhilA> ack DeirdreLee
ack DeirdreLee ←
18:48:28 <PhilA> DeirdreLee: What's the government element of the cookbook?
Deirdre Lee: What's the government element of the cookbook? ←
18:48:30 <sandro> q+
Sandro Hawke: q+ ←
18:48:32 <George_> DeirdreLee: what's the Gov angle?
Deirdre Lee: what's the Gov angle? [ Scribe Assist by George Thomas ] ←
18:48:52 <PhilA> DeirdreLee: It seems as if it could cover life sciences etc. ...
Deirdre Lee: It seems as if it could cover life sciences etc. ... ←
18:49:10 <PhilA> bhyland: There is a lot of overlap and may overlap the Linked Data Platform WG too
Bernadette Hyland: There is a lot of overlap and may overlap the Linked Data Platform WG too ←
18:49:48 <PhilA> bh: I write the various entries with gov in mind even though things can be used elsewhere too
Bernadette Hyland: I write the various entries with gov in mind even though things can be used elsewhere too ←
18:50:20 <PhilA> bh: 80%+ can apply to any LD project, yes - but people from gov will gravitate to it on w3.org
Bernadette Hyland: 80%+ can apply to any LD project, yes - but people from gov will gravitate to it on w3.org ←
18:50:52 <George_> q?
George Thomas: q? ←
18:51:20 <GofranShukair> Sorry ..I have to go ..bye everyone see you tomorrow
Gofran Shukair: Sorry ..I have to go ..bye everyone see you tomorrow ←
18:51:30 <cygri> http://www.w3.org/TR/swbp-vocab-pub/
Richard Cyganiak: http://www.w3.org/TR/swbp-vocab-pub/ ←
18:51:46 <PhilA> ack sandro
ack sandro ←
18:52:14 <sandro> http://answers.semanticweb.com/
Sandro Hawke: http://answers.semanticweb.com/ ←
18:52:25 <PhilA> sandro: I picture the cookbook as an FAQ, stak overflow type thing
Sandro Hawke: I picture the cookbook as an FAQ, stack overflow type thing ←
18:52:58 <PhilA> sandro: There are 30-40 questions that gov people will ask when asked to consider implementing LD
Sandro Hawke: There are 30-40 questions that gov people will ask when asked to consider implementing LD ←
18:53:27 <PhilA> bhyland: Mike_Pendleton gave me a bunch of questions when we began working with the EPA - yes, that makes sense
Bernadette Hyland: Mike_Pendleton gave me a bunch of questions when we began working with the EPA - yes, that makes sense ←
18:53:28 <cygri> +1 to sandro. that made sense to me.
Richard Cyganiak: +1 to sandro. that made sense to me. ←
18:53:42 <PhilA> s/stak/stack/
18:54:06 <PhilA> bh: Thanks for the feedback - that helps me see what needs to be done
Bernadette Hyland: Thanks for the feedback - that helps me see what needs to be done ←
18:54:17 <George_> q?
George Thomas: q? ←
18:54:22 <cygri> q+
Richard Cyganiak: q+ ←
18:54:24 <olyerickson> +1 to stack overflow-like functionality (but that's not free anymore)
John Erickson: +1 to stack overflow-like functionality (but that's not free anymore) ←
18:54:55 <PhilA> cygri: So how can we collect those questions?
Richard Cyganiak: So how can we collect those questions? ←
18:54:57 <olyerickson> @bhyland I have to sign off now...apologies. Have a great day, everyone!
John Erickson: @bhyland I have to sign off now...apologies. Have a great day, everyone! ←
18:55:05 <Zakim> -olyerickson
Zakim IRC Bot: -olyerickson ←
18:55:09 <George_> ack cygri
George Thomas: ack cygri ←
18:55:38 <t_gheen> ACTION: bhyland gather top 30-40 questions for the FAQ
ACTION: bhyland gather top 30-40 questions for the FAQ ←
18:55:38 <trackbot> Created ACTION-36 - Gather top 30-40 questions for the FAQ [on Bernadette Hyland - due 2012-02-01].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-36 - Gather top 30-40 questions for the FAQ [on Bernadette Hyland - due 2012-02-01]. ←
18:55:39 <PhilA> bhyland: dare I suggest an action item to collect the questions
Bernadette Hyland: dare I suggest an action item to collect the questions ←
18:56:28 <cygri> mhausenblas, i'm not in charge of the agenda, but it says we stop at 8
Richard Cyganiak: mhausenblas, i'm not in charge of the agenda, but it says we stop at 8 ←
18:56:54 <Zakim> +rreck
Zakim IRC Bot: +rreck ←
18:57:39 <sandro> list of stackoverflow clones. we could install an instance of one of these.... http://meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/2267/stack-overflow-clones
Sandro Hawke: list of stackoverflow clones. we could install an instance of one of these.... http://meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/2267/stack-overflow-clones ←
18:58:09 <cygri> sandro, why? answers.semanticweb.com is already there. don't fragment
Richard Cyganiak: sandro, why? answers.semanticweb.com is already there. don't fragment ←
18:58:30 <BartvanLeeuwen> cygri, +1
Bart van Leeuwen: cygri, +1 ←
18:58:35 <PhilA> bhyland: Considers the day, whether we have achieved our targets
Bernadette Hyland: Considers the day, whether we have achieved our targets ←
18:59:05 <PhilA> bhyland: reviews tomorrow's agenda
Bernadette Hyland: reviews tomorrow's agenda ←
18:59:19 <sandro> cygri, not sure, just brainstorming. are there tags there we can use to help get GLD folks started in the right direction there?
Sandro Hawke: cygri, not sure, just brainstorming. are there tags there we can use to help get GLD folks started in the right direction there? ←
18:59:48 <PhilA> bhyland: anyone not here tomorrow? t_gheen has to meet someone very senior in the West Wing
Bernadette Hyland: anyone not here tomorrow? t_gheen has to meet someone very senior in the West Wing ←
18:59:55 <cygri> sandro, not really. it's for asking questions and getting them answered, not really for reading old answers
Richard Cyganiak: sandro, not really. it's for asking questions and getting them answered, not really for reading old answers ←
18:59:57 <rreck> yes. i have posted the slides
Ronald Reck: yes. i have posted the slides ←
19:00:15 <PhilA> bhyland: We'll talk about stability tomorrow
Bernadette Hyland: We'll talk about stability tomorrow ←
19:01:06 <PhilA> PhilA: Anne W might want to look at the outcome from the workshop on stability held last month http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2011/12/dnap-workshop/notes.html
Phil Archer: Anne W might want to look at the outcome from the workshop on stability held last month http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2011/12/dnap-workshop/notes.html ←
19:01:16 <George_> cygri: more DCAT tomorrow
Richard Cyganiak: more DCAT tomorrow [ Scribe Assist by George Thomas ] ←
19:01:17 <PhilA> cygri: Would like to talk about DCAT
Richard Cyganiak: Would like to talk about DCAT ←
19:01:21 <George_> +1 cygri
George Thomas: +1 cygri ←
19:01:27 <PhilA> +1 on DCAT as the hope is to resolve to go to FPWD
+1 on DCAT as the hope is to resolve to go to FPWD ←
19:01:53 <boris> http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/wiki/F2F2#Agenda
Boris Villazón-Terrazas: http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/wiki/F2F2#Agenda ←
19:02:00 <George_> q?
George Thomas: q? ←
19:02:36 <George_> +1 more ADMS tomorrow morning too
George Thomas: +1 more ADMS tomorrow morning too ←
19:02:52 <PhilA> Current static version of DCAT is at https://www.w3.org/2011/gld/group/WD-DCAT-20120106.html
Current static version of DCAT is at https://www.w3.org/2011/gld/group/WD-DCAT-20120106.html ←
19:03:42 <George_> agreed
George Thomas: agreed ←
19:03:51 <George_> with a mandate!
George Thomas: with a mandate! ←
19:05:49 <DeirdreLee> Interoperability Solutions for European Public Administrations http://ec.europa.eu/isa/
Deirdre Lee: Interoperability Solutions for European Public Administrations http://ec.europa.eu/isa/ ←
19:06:15 <DeirdreLee> Join up https://joinup.ec.europa.eu/
Deirdre Lee: Join up https://joinup.ec.europa.eu/ ←
19:07:00 <PhilA> Thanks all round
Thanks all round ←
19:07:06 <PhilA> Meeting adjourned
Meeting adjourned ←
19:07:16 <Zakim> -sandro.a
Zakim IRC Bot: -sandro.a ←
19:07:21 <Zakim> -galway
Zakim IRC Bot: -galway ←
19:07:28 <Zakim> -rreck
Zakim IRC Bot: -rreck ←
19:07:36 <Zakim> -Washington
Zakim IRC Bot: -Washington ←
19:07:39 <Zakim> -GeraldSteeman
Zakim IRC Bot: -GeraldSteeman ←
19:08:16 <bhyland> ping
Bernadette Hyland: ping ←
19:08:41 <bhyland> is someone in Galway publishing the minutes for today??
Bernadette Hyland: is someone in Galway publishing the minutes for today?? ←
19:08:58 <George_> RRSAgent, set logs world-visible
George Thomas: RRSAgent, set logs world-visible ←
19:09:18 <George_> RRSAgent, generate minutes
George Thomas: RRSAgent, generate minutes ←
19:09:18 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/01/25-gld-minutes.html George_
RRSAgent IRC Bot: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/01/25-gld-minutes.html George_ ←
19:10:08 <PhilA> Wiki is up to date, sandro
Wiki is up to date, sandro ←
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