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eGov IG Face to Face

Minutes of 01 November 2011

Agenda
http://www.w3.org/egov/wiki/F2F4
Present
Dave McAllister, Hadley Beeman, Jeanne Holm, John Erickson, Phil Archer, Yosuke Funahashi, Brian Handspicker
Guests
Paola Di Maio, Jason Kiss, Mark Crawford, Armin ??, Kevin Simkins, Bernard Gidon, unknown ahaller2, Victor Klintsov, Daniel Hdladky, Karen Myers, Chingteng Hsiao, Jonathan Jeon
Remote
Sandro Hawke, Paola Di Maio, Bernadette Hyland, Gannon Dick, Somnath Chandra, José Alonso
Chair
Jeanne Holm
Scribe
John Erickson, Phil Archer
IRC Log
Original
Resolutions

None.

Topics
<sandro> Agenda: http://www.w3.org/egov/wiki/F2F4
<sandro> Guest: Paola (PDM) Di Maio
<sandro> Guest: Jason (jkiss) Kiss
<sandro> Guest: Mark Crawford
<sandro> Guest: Armin ??
<sandro> Guest: Kevin Simkins
<sandro> Guest: Bernard Gidon
<sandro> Guest: unknown ahaller2
<sandro> Guest: Victor Klintsov
<sandro> Guest: Daniel Hdladky
<sandro> Guest: Karen Myers
<sandro> Guest: Chingteng Hsiao
<sandro> Guest: Jonathan Jeon
<sandro> Present: Dave_McAllister, Hadley_Beeman, Jeanne_Holm, John_Erickson, Phil_Archer,  Yosuke_Funahashi, Brian_Handspicker
<sandro> Remote: Sandro_Hawke, Paola, hyland, gdick, somnath, josema
15:59:06 <RRSAgent> logging to http://www.w3.org/2011/11/01-egov-irc

RRSAgent IRC Bot: logging to http://www.w3.org/2011/11/01-egov-irc

15:59:18 <PhilA> zakim, code?

Phil Archer: zakim, code?

15:59:18 <Zakim> sorry, PhilA, I don't know what conference this is

Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, PhilA, I don't know what conference this is

15:59:33 <sandro> zakim, this will be egov

Sandro Hawke: zakim, this will be egov

15:59:33 <Zakim> ok, sandro, I see SW_e-Gov(eGovIG)11:00AM already started

Zakim IRC Bot: ok, sandro, I see SW_e-Gov(eGovIG)11:00AM already started

15:59:34 <PhilA> meeting: eGovIG
15:59:37 <sandro> zakim, code?

Sandro Hawke: zakim, code?

15:59:37 <Zakim> the conference code is 346844 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), sandro

Zakim IRC Bot: the conference code is 346844 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), sandro

15:59:51 <sandro> sandro has changed the topic to: eGov all-day meeting Oct 31, Nov 1 -- http://www.w3.org/egov/wiki/F2F4 Conf Code 346844 ("EGOVIG")

Sandro Hawke: sandro has changed the topic to: eGov all-day meeting Oct 31, Nov 1 -- http://www.w3.org/egov/wiki/F2F4 Conf Code 346844 ("EGOVIG")

16:00:45 <bhyland> Kevin and I are on the telecon bridge … talking about Halloween activities.

Bernadette Hyland: Kevin and I are on the telecon bridge … talking about Halloween activities.

16:00:56 <olyerickson> Hear ye, hear ye...we haven't started yet...

John Erickson: Hear ye, hear ye...we haven't started yet...

16:02:21 <davemc> we only had eleven kids.  all time low

Dave McAllister: we only had eleven kids. all time low

16:02:35 <olyerickson> We have more people in the meeting room today, but we're waiting for Jeanne and Hadley to arrive

John Erickson: We have more people in the meeting room today, but we're waiting for Jeanne and Hadley to arrive

16:02:57 <sandro> we must have had 40-50 kids; no idea what the norm is for this house, since we just moved in.

Sandro Hawke: we must have had 40-50 kids; no idea what the norm is for this house, since we just moved in.

16:03:29 <olyerickson> Jeanne has just arrived

John Erickson: Jeanne has just arrived

16:04:46 <olyerickson> We're going around the room doing introductions

John Erickson: We're going around the room doing introductions

16:04:49 <Zakim> +Sandro

Zakim IRC Bot: +Sandro

16:05:07 <sandro> olyerickson, why aren't you dialed in?

Sandro Hawke: olyerickson, why aren't you dialed in?

16:05:15 <olyerickson> PhilA is doing that now

John Erickson: PhilA is doing that now

16:05:54 <Zakim> +tpac

Zakim IRC Bot: +tpac

16:07:30 <olyerickson> We have 10 people in the meeting room...Hadley has not shown yet

John Erickson: We have 10 people in the meeting room...Hadley has not shown yet

16:07:32 <bhyland> Phil/John, would you kindly double check positioning of the mics in the room … voices are cutting in & out and sound quite distant ...

Bernadette Hyland: Phil/John, would you kindly double check positioning of the mics in the room … voices are cutting in & out and sound quite distant ...

16:07:45 <bhyland> It was better yesterday ...

Bernadette Hyland: It was better yesterday ...

16:08:27 <bhyland> We are missing every 3rd or 4th word Jeanne is saying ...

Bernadette Hyland: We are missing every 3rd or 4th word Jeanne is saying ...

16:08:56 <sandro> (its unusable today)

Sandro Hawke: (its unusable today)

16:09:27 <bhyland> We hear Phil perfectly ...

Bernadette Hyland: We hear Phil perfectly ...

16:09:51 <bhyland> Perhaps put the women a bit closer ...

Bernadette Hyland: Perhaps put the women a bit closer ...

16:10:00 <olyerickson> @bhyland we are circled around the mics

John Erickson: @bhyland we are circled around the mics

16:10:06 <bhyland> ok.

Bernadette Hyland: ok.

16:10:12 <PhilA> present+ Daniel Hdladky

Phil Archer: present+ Daniel Hdladky

16:10:45 <PhilA> present+ Victor Klintsov

Phil Archer: present+ Victor Klintsov

16:11:19 <PhilA> present+ Armin

Phil Archer: present+ Armin

16:11:25 <olyerickson> See http://www.w3.org/egov/wiki/F2F4 for links to minutes

John Erickson: See http://www.w3.org/egov/wiki/F2F4 for links to minutes

16:11:33 <olyerickson> To the people on the phone: we hear you very well!

John Erickson: To the people on the phone: we hear you very well!

16:13:25 <Jeanne> Everyone doing introductions now.

Jeanne Holm: Everyone doing introductions now.

16:13:47 <olyerickson> zakim, who is on the phone?

John Erickson: zakim, who is on the phone?

16:13:47 <Zakim> On the phone I see Kevin_Simkins, bhyland, Sandro, tpac

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see Kevin_Simkins, bhyland, Sandro, tpac

16:14:15 <Jeanne>  Scribes: 9-10:45 scribe Jeanne

Jeanne Holm: Scribes: 9-10:45 scribe Jeanne

16:14:31 <Jeanne>  11-12:30 scribe John

Jeanne Holm: 11-12:30 scribe John

16:15:00 <PhilA> after lunch Dave

Phil Archer: after lunch Dave

16:15:05 <PhilA> Final session me

Phil Archer: Final session me

16:15:33 <olyerickson> TOPIC: Social Media and eGov

1. Social Media and eGov

16:17:15 <Jeanne> John:  The session on social media is noting that is a topic that has come up before.  there was a paper by John Sheridan and others

John Erickson: The session on social media is noting that is a topic that has come up before. there was a paper by John Sheridan and others [ Scribe Assist by Jeanne Holm ]

16:17:20 <olyerickson> http://www.w3.org/2008/09/msnws/papers/egov-social-ws.html

John Erickson: http://www.w3.org/2008/09/msnws/papers/egov-social-ws.html

16:18:11 <Jeanne> John:  The paper noted that a lot more participation by citizens and government would occur.  In Gov-citizens, Citizens-Gov, and citizens to citizens

John Erickson: The paper noted that a lot more participation by citizens and government would occur. In Gov-citizens, Citizens-Gov, and citizens to citizens [ Scribe Assist by Jeanne Holm ]

16:18:31 <Jeanne> That social media would play a roll in elections, campaigning and overall communications.

Jeanne Holm: That social media would play a roll in elections, campaigning and overall communications.

16:20:07 <PhilA> What is the status of a presidential tweet?

Phil Archer: What is the status of a presidential tweet?

16:21:47 <PhilA> Congress people (and UK MPs) tweet from the chamber

Phil Archer: Congress people (and UK MPs) tweet from the chamber

16:22:04 <Jeanne> Dave:  Congress in the US tweets, as do many others.

Dave McAllister: Congress in the US tweets, as do many others. [ Scribe Assist by Jeanne Holm ]

16:22:27 <Jeanne> Dave:  A lot of campaign contributions are collected using social media, particularly driven through Twitter.

Dave McAllister: A lot of campaign contributions are collected using social media, particularly driven through Twitter. [ Scribe Assist by Jeanne Holm ]

16:22:36 <olyerickson> RE Social media policies for govt workers, see: http://www.egov.vic.gov.au/victorian-government-resources/government-initiatives-victoria/law-and-justice-victoria/social-media-policy-department-of-justice.html

John Erickson: RE Social media policies for govt workers, see: http://www.egov.vic.gov.au/victorian-government-resources/government-initiatives-victoria/law-and-justice-victoria/social-media-policy-department-of-justice.html

16:23:08 <Jeanne> Dave:  An interesting point between swaying public opinion vs. stating their opinion.

Dave McAllister: An interesting point between swaying public opinion vs. stating their opinion. [ Scribe Assist by Jeanne Holm ]

16:23:44 <Jeanne> Dave:  The record of a how a bill goes through does not necessarily capture the social media aspects.

Dave McAllister: The record of a how a bill goes through does not necessarily capture the social media aspects. [ Scribe Assist by Jeanne Holm ]

16:24:11 <Jeanne> John:  The Congressional Record is just the law itself.

John Erickson: The Congressional Record is just the law itself. [ Scribe Assist by Jeanne Holm ]

16:25:32 <Jeanne> John:  The link above is about the social media guidelines for Australia government workers.

John Erickson: The link above is about the social media guidelines for Australia government workers. [ Scribe Assist by Jeanne Holm ]

16:26:20 <davemc> UAF guidance for "new media" http://www.af.mil/shared/media/document/AFD-090406-036.pdf

Dave McAllister: USAF guidance for "new media" http://www.af.mil/shared/media/document/AFD-090406-036.pdf

16:26:34 <davemc> s/UAF/USAF/
16:26:40 <Jeanne> Dave:  Air Force has a flowchart about the use of social media.

Dave McAllister: Air Force has a flowchart about the use of social media. [ Scribe Assist by Jeanne Holm ]

16:26:46 <Jeanne> Hadley:  The UK civil service is apolitical.  When an election is occurring much of government goes quiet so that there's no conflict about the previous and future administrations.

Hadley Beeman: The UK civil service is apolitical. When an election is occurring much of government goes quiet so that there's no conflict about the previous and future administrations. [ Scribe Assist by Jeanne Holm ]

16:26:48 <Jeanne> John:  Needs to be an international discussion about how all governments are engaging in social media.

John Erickson: Needs to be an international discussion about how all governments are engaging in social media. [ Scribe Assist by Jeanne Holm ]

16:27:02 <Jeanne> HadleyBeeman: Rules were updated during the last time, and so civil servants just went quiet to be safe as possible because the rules were not clear.

Hadley Beeman: Rules were updated during the last time, and so civil servants just went quiet to be safe as possible because the rules were not clear. [ Scribe Assist by Jeanne Holm ]

16:27:18 <Jeanne> HadleyBeeman: So I stopped tweeting during this time.

Hadley Beeman: So I stopped tweeting during this time. [ Scribe Assist by Jeanne Holm ]

16:28:00 <Jeanne> HadleyBeeman: Our rules are not structured well about the models of communication we now use.

Hadley Beeman: Our rules are not structured well about the models of communication we now use. [ Scribe Assist by Jeanne Holm ]

16:28:28 <Jeanne> kevinsimkins: Virtual environments are virtual synthetic environments--a platform and the software.

Kevin Simkins: Virtual environments are virtual synthetic environments--a platform and the software. [ Scribe Assist by Jeanne Holm ]

16:28:49 <Jeanne> kevinsimkins: Virtual worlds; collaboration tools; gaming and interactive tools

Kevin Simkins: Virtual worlds; collaboration tools; gaming and interactive tools [ Scribe Assist by Jeanne Holm ]

16:29:32 <Jeanne> kevinsimkins: and artificial intelligence

Kevin Simkins: and artificial intelligence [ Scribe Assist by Jeanne Holm ]

16:29:45 <Jeanne> kevinsimkins: Gaming includes Flash, serious games, and training and testing

Kevin Simkins: Gaming includes Flash, serious games, and training and testing [ Scribe Assist by Jeanne Holm ]

16:30:08 <Jeanne> kevinsimkins: The mission of IEEE is to develop standards for all virtual environments to promote software data and reuse

Kevin Simkins: The mission of IEEE is to develop standards for all virtual environments to promote software data and reuse [ Scribe Assist by Jeanne Holm ]

16:30:17 <davemc> We seem to be verging into gamification (the use of gaming elements in non-game environments)

Dave McAllister: We seem to be verging into gamification (the use of gaming elements in non-game environments)

16:30:24 <Jeanne> kevinsimkins: The goal is to take modules from one environment to another

Kevin Simkins: The goal is to take modules from one environment to another [ Scribe Assist by Jeanne Holm ]

16:30:27 <kevinsimkins> http://www.metaversestandards.org/index.php?title=Projects

Kevin Simkins: http://www.metaversestandards.org/index.php?title=Projects

16:30:47 <Jeanne> kevinsimkins: Stargate (link above) is the first test case here

Kevin Simkins: Stargate (link above) is the first test case here [ Scribe Assist by Jeanne Holm ]

16:32:15 <Jeanne> kevinsimkins: In the government, it would be great to have the whole virtual environment, agenda, global chat, individual chat, virtual backdrop of a city, business card sharing, upload into a user briefcase...

Kevin Simkins: In the government, it would be great to have the whole virtual environment, agenda, global chat, individual chat, virtual backdrop of a city, business card sharing, upload into a user briefcase... [ Scribe Assist by Jeanne Holm ]

16:32:36 <Jeanne> ...and these virtual collaboration rooms are an on-the-go room.  You can also mark up a PDF or other document

Jeanne Holm: ...and these virtual collaboration rooms are an on-the-go room. You can also mark up a PDF or other document

16:32:49 <Jeanne> ...and project it through virtual AVI or other format

Jeanne Holm: ...and project it through virtual AVI or other format

16:33:37 <Jeanne> ...desktop viewing for PowerPoint, webcam streaming.  I can click on your avatar which can morphy into a real time webcam stream.

Jeanne Holm: ...desktop viewing for PowerPoint, webcam streaming. I can click on your avatar which can morphy into a real time webcam stream.

16:34:37 <Jeanne> kevinsimkins: Holodeck challenge going on to create the best version of a holodeck

Kevin Simkins: Holodeck challenge going on to create the best version of a holodeck [ Scribe Assist by Jeanne Holm ]

16:34:43 <olyerickson> Zakim, slow Kevin down...

John Erickson: Zakim, slow Kevin down...

16:34:43 <Zakim> I don't understand 'slow Kevin down', olyerickson

Zakim IRC Bot: I don't understand 'slow Kevin down', olyerickson

16:35:37 <Jeanne> kevinsimkins: including gestures and lots of other capabilities.

Kevin Simkins: including gestures and lots of other capabilities. [ Scribe Assist by Jeanne Holm ]

16:35:56 <PhilA> q+

Phil Archer: q+

16:37:38 <Jeanne> John:  Slow down so that we can help others see what facet of egovernment can do in other types of social media

John Erickson: Slow down so that we can help others see what facet of egovernment can do in other types of social media [ Scribe Assist by Jeanne Holm ]

16:37:44 <Jeanne> olyerickson: Why should we care and what are the issues?

John Erickson: Why should we care and what are the issues? [ Scribe Assist by Jeanne Holm ]

16:37:50 <Jeanne> kevinsimkins: there are a lot of interfacing tools and in the virtual space you can wrap them all up into one environment and have them all available at your fingertips

Kevin Simkins: there are a lot of interfacing tools and in the virtual space you can wrap them all up into one environment and have them all available at your fingertips [ Scribe Assist by Jeanne Holm ]

16:37:57 <Jeanne> olyerickson: How should this be on the radar of eGov and what are the challenges governments are facings in this area?

John Erickson: How should this be on the radar of eGov and what are the challenges governments are facings in this area? [ Scribe Assist by Jeanne Holm ]

16:38:24 <Jeanne> kevinsimkins: the biggest potential to government is collaboration, but also artificial intelligence.  You can have AI bot that lead people step by step through information.

Kevin Simkins: the biggest potential to government is collaboration, but also artificial intelligence. You can have AI bot that lead people step by step through information. [ Scribe Assist by Jeanne Holm ]

16:39:18 <davemc> Kevin, breathe please

Dave McAllister: Kevin, breathe please

16:39:26 <davemc> we have several comments here

Dave McAllister: we have several comments here

16:39:40 <Jeanne> kevinsimkins: You have kinestetic, audio, virtual and others

Kevin Simkins: You have kinestetic, audio, virtual and others [ Scribe Assist by Jeanne Holm ]

16:39:43 <PhilA> ack ,e

Phil Archer: ack ,e

16:40:07 <davemc> ack PhillA

Dave McAllister: ack PhillA

16:40:14 <Jeanne> PhilA: I find this interesting, particularly in whether the AI and serious gaming can be used in an eGov environment to help policy decisions.

Phil Archer: I find this interesting, particularly in whether the AI and serious gaming can be used in an eGov environment to help policy decisions. [ Scribe Assist by Jeanne Holm ]

16:40:40 <Jeanne> ...is it possible to imagine that you are considering an environmental policy or plan so that you can artificially create various effects.

Jeanne Holm: ...is it possible to imagine that you are considering an environmental policy or plan so that you can artificially create various effects.

16:41:04 <Jeanne> PhilA: If a politician is looking at several choices, can you create a AI or virtual model?

Phil Archer: If a politician is looking at several choices, can you create a AI or virtual model? [ Scribe Assist by Jeanne Holm ]

16:41:09 <PhilA> ack me

Phil Archer: ack me

16:41:16 <Jeanne> kevinsimkins: Absolutely, the challenge this year was on AI.

Kevin Simkins: Absolutely, the challenge this year was on AI. [ Scribe Assist by Jeanne Holm ]

16:41:28 <davemc> along the lines of gaming: UK banking innovation via gaming : http://gamification.co/tag/uk-government/

Dave McAllister: along the lines of gaming: UK banking innovation via gaming : http://gamification.co/tag/uk-government/

16:41:42 <davemc> q+

Dave McAllister: q+

16:42:06 <Zakim> +bdhandspicker

Zakim IRC Bot: +bdhandspicker

16:42:51 <Jeanne> PhilA: Within IEEE, if there was a workshop in Barcelona in 2012 could you present at it?

Phil Archer: Within IEEE, if there was a workshop in Barcelona in 2012 could you present at it? [ Scribe Assist by Jeanne Holm ]

16:43:25 <olyerickson> q?

John Erickson: q?

16:43:27 <Jeanne> kevinsimkins: Yes.  There are lots of applications available today that allow governments to create assets and move them from world to world virtually.

Kevin Simkins: Yes. There are lots of applications available today that allow governments to create assets and move them from world to world virtually. [ Scribe Assist by Jeanne Holm ]

16:43:29 <olyerickson> q?

John Erickson: q?

16:43:35 <Jeanne> kevinsimkins: not everything is happening on your desktop.

Kevin Simkins: not everything is happening on your desktop. [ Scribe Assist by Jeanne Holm ]

16:44:05 <Jeanne> kevinsimkins: you have consoles like XBox and Playstation.  Cloud and other aspects affect the platform performance and choices.

Kevin Simkins: you have consoles like XBox and Playstation. Cloud and other aspects affect the platform performance and choices. [ Scribe Assist by Jeanne Holm ]

16:44:07 <olyerickson> Kevin, breath again: need to pop davemc from the queue

John Erickson: Kevin, breath again: need to pop davemc from the queue

16:45:24 <Jeanne> davemc: There are several examples in the area of gamification (see above).  They built for the internal finance system a way to create and exchange currencies

Dave McAllister: There are several examples in the area of gamification (see above). They built for the internal finance system a way to create and exchange currencies [ Scribe Assist by Jeanne Holm ]

16:45:31 <PhilA> PhilA: Notes kevinsimkins talking about Web-based virtual worlds - very close to Augmented Reality work in which W3C is playing a role

Phil Archer: Notes kevinsimkins talking about Web-based virtual worlds - very close to Augmented Reality work in which W3C is playing a role [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ]

16:45:39 <Jeanne> davemc: These have resulted in millions of pounds of savings.

Dave McAllister: These have resulted in millions of pounds of savings. [ Scribe Assist by Jeanne Holm ]

16:45:42 <Jeanne> +q

Jeanne Holm: +q

16:45:58 <PhilA> q+

Phil Archer: q+

16:46:03 <Jeanne> davemc: It has been extended to other places inside the UK and allows more innovative qualities of government.

Dave McAllister: It has been extended to other places inside the UK and allows more innovative qualities of government. [ Scribe Assist by Jeanne Holm ]

16:46:04 <PhilA> ack davemc

Phil Archer: ack davemc

16:46:07 <davemc> ack me

Dave McAllister: ack me

16:46:11 <davemc> q-

Dave McAllister: q-

16:46:19 <olyerickson> q+

John Erickson: q+

16:46:23 <Jeanne> kevinsimkins: With social media, there are so many environments and packages that can be shared.

Kevin Simkins: With social media, there are so many environments and packages that can be shared. [ Scribe Assist by Jeanne Holm ]

16:46:34 <Jeanne> kevinsimkins: Whatever you have on your desktop you'll be able to share virtually.

Kevin Simkins: Whatever you have on your desktop you'll be able to share virtually. [ Scribe Assist by Jeanne Holm ]

16:46:50 <olyerickson> JH: We're talking about platforms

Jeanne Holm: We're talking about platforms [ Scribe Assist by John Erickson ]

16:46:58 <olyerickson> ... ways to communicate with citizens

John Erickson: ... ways to communicate with citizens

16:47:15 <olyerickson> ... lots of experience with US DoD in virtual environments

John Erickson: ... lots of experience with US DoD in virtual environments

16:47:33 <davemc> +1 to Jeanne refocus.

Dave McAllister: +1 to Jeanne refocus.

16:47:35 <olyerickson> ... re govts, use it mostly as a "broadcast" media

John Erickson: ... re govts, use it mostly as a "broadcast" media

16:47:45 <olyerickson> ...the term is "social media"

John Erickson: ...the term is "social media"

16:48:00 <olyerickson> ... people use it because they can interact and respond to their audience

John Erickson: ... people use it because they can interact and respond to their audience

16:48:06 <davemc> Interactions are incredibly important.

Dave McAllister: Interactions are incredibly important.

16:48:18 <olyerickson> ... .transparent conversations

John Erickson: ... .transparent conversations

16:48:36 <olyerickson> ... for W3C eGov: important to think about sharing policies for social media

John Erickson: ... for W3C eGov: important to think about sharing policies for social media

16:48:36 <HadleyBeeman> q+

Hadley Beeman: q+

16:48:49 <olyerickson> ... also, using social media to develop community

John Erickson: ... also, using social media to develop community

16:49:01 <olyerickson> ... virtual tools are another tool

John Erickson: ... virtual tools are another tool

16:49:16 <PhilA> q-

Phil Archer: q-

16:49:18 <Jeanne> ack Jeanne

Jeanne Holm: ack Jeanne

16:49:26 <PhilA> ack Jeanne

Phil Archer: ack Jeanne

16:49:58 <Jeanne> kevinsimkins: People don't like to download something, they want to be able to work from their desktop.

Kevin Simkins: People don't like to download something, they want to be able to work from their desktop. [ Scribe Assist by Jeanne Holm ]

16:50:38 <Jeanne> olyerickson: The citizenry has been able to use social media to interact and find a voice.  But people are often barely able to use some collaborative tools.

John Erickson: The citizenry has been able to use social media to interact and find a voice. But people are often barely able to use some collaborative tools. [ Scribe Assist by Jeanne Holm ]

16:50:58 <Jeanne> olyerickson: There is a digitial divide between Facebook and Dropbox.

John Erickson: There is a digitial divide between Facebook and Dropbox. [ Scribe Assist by Jeanne Holm ]

16:51:23 <Jeanne> olyerickson: I postulate that the introduction of high-end collaborative tools separates the digitial haves and have nots.

John Erickson: I postulate that the introduction of high-end collaborative tools separates the digitial haves and have nots. [ Scribe Assist by Jeanne Holm ]

16:51:43 <Jeanne> olyerickson: There are tools that people are able to use and others that are more difficult.

John Erickson: There are tools that people are able to use and others that are more difficult. [ Scribe Assist by Jeanne Holm ]

16:51:45 <davemc> not sure I agree with that download completely.  In mobile, maybe, but the success of jQuery (~98 of all desktops) Flash (~97%), Adobe Acrobat Reader (~91%) say desktops are different

Dave McAllister: not sure I agree with that download completely. In mobile, maybe, but the success of jQuery (~98 of all desktops) Flash (~97%), Adobe Acrobat Reader (~91%) say desktops are different

16:52:07 <Jeanne> kevinsimkins: Everyone has Adobe, for example.

Kevin Simkins: Everyone has Adobe, for example. [ Scribe Assist by Jeanne Holm ]

16:52:13 <HadleyBeeman> +1 to olyerickson's point— digital engagement (or lack thereof) does cause a speedbump in making social media policies

Hadley Beeman: +1 to olyerickson's point— digital engagement (or lack thereof) does cause a speedbump in making social media policies

16:52:35 <Jeanne> olyerickson: There are people who are unable to go onto their State's unemployment sites.  The only way to communicate, but these people are homeless or don't have access.

John Erickson: There are people who are unable to go onto their State's unemployment sites. The only way to communicate, but these people are homeless or don't have access. [ Scribe Assist by Jeanne Holm ]

16:53:00 <Jeanne> olyerickson: They are told to go to their library, but there's a real problem where some people don't have computers.

John Erickson: They are told to go to their library, but there's a real problem where some people don't have computers. [ Scribe Assist by Jeanne Holm ]

16:53:36 <Jeanne> olyerickson: Part of my volunteer work is connecting people with their unemployment centers.

John Erickson: Part of my volunteer work is connecting people with their unemployment centers. [ Scribe Assist by Jeanne Holm ]

16:53:37 <PhilA> +1 to olyerickson

Phil Archer: +1 to olyerickson

16:53:43 <Jeanne> davemc: +1

Dave McAllister: +1 [ Scribe Assist by Jeanne Holm ]

16:53:54 <PhilA> ack olyerickson

Phil Archer: ack olyerickson

16:54:34 <Jeanne> kevinsimkins: Net neutrality is important.  If you have telecomm companies throttling your speed, it's affects access and freedoms.

Kevin Simkins: Net neutrality is important. If you have telecomm companies throttling your speed, it's affects access and freedoms. [ Scribe Assist by Jeanne Holm ]

16:54:37 <davemc>  CARD: How does eGov fit into the model of digital have-nots

Dave McAllister: CARD: How does eGov fit into the model of digital have-nots

16:54:43 <PhilA> ack HadleyBeeman

Phil Archer: ack HadleyBeeman

16:54:44 <olyerickson> People who aren't connected digitally don't care about net neutrality...

John Erickson: People who aren't connected digitally don't care about net neutrality...

16:55:07 <davemc> q+

Dave McAllister: q+

16:55:13 <Jeanne> HadleyBeeman: Authentication and cryptography are areas that governments have a lot of interest in.

Hadley Beeman: Authentication and cryptography are areas that governments have a lot of interest in. [ Scribe Assist by Jeanne Holm ]

16:55:21 <bhyland> @Olyerickson - you might be surprised with the penetration of of mobile devices among the poor in the US — homeless people are given mobile phones with a limited number of minutes & text plans precisely to interact with government, pharmacies, unemployment office, etc.

Bernadette Hyland: @Olyerickson - you might be surprised with the penetration of of mobile devices among the poor in the US — homeless people are given mobile phones with a limited number of minutes & text plans precisely to interact with government, pharmacies, unemployment office, etc.

16:55:27 <gdick> thinks High Frequency Trading of Information = High Frequency Policy Making !(necessary)

Gannon Dick: thinks High Frequency Trading of Information = High Frequency Policy Making !(necessary)

16:55:34 <Jeanne> HadleyBeeman: There are infrastructure areas that governments will want a role and make a strong contribution.

Hadley Beeman: There are infrastructure areas that governments will want a role and make a strong contribution. [ Scribe Assist by Jeanne Holm ]

16:55:39 <Zakim> -bdhandspicker

Zakim IRC Bot: -bdhandspicker

16:56:01 <HadleyBeeman> ack me

Hadley Beeman: ack me

16:56:07 <Jeanne> davemc: You just hit a sore spot, crytopgraphy is an export issue.  I have to go through crypto analysis for every project I release.

Dave McAllister: You just hit a sore spot, crytopgraphy is an export issue. I have to go through crypto analysis for every project I release. [ Scribe Assist by Jeanne Holm ]

16:56:08 <Zakim> +bdhandspicker

Zakim IRC Bot: +bdhandspicker

16:56:08 <olyerickson> @bhyland would you like to jump into the queue?

John Erickson: @bhyland would you like to jump into the queue?

16:56:22 <Jeanne> davemc: We do have restrictions on some of this from our governments.

Dave McAllister: We do have restrictions on some of this from our governments. [ Scribe Assist by Jeanne Holm ]

16:56:26 <bhyland> @olyerickson, no thank you.  You have the issues ably handled.

Bernadette Hyland: @olyerickson, no thank you. You have the issues ably handled.

16:56:30 <PhilA> ack davemc

Phil Archer: ack davemc

16:56:47 <davemc> q-

Dave McAllister: q-

16:56:52 <bhyland> q+

Bernadette Hyland: q+

16:57:15 <HadleyBeeman> We have potential to liaise with the Federated Social Web XG, who are looking at crypto standards.  Also, with regard to other policy areas (authentication, identity management/verification, net neutrality)

Hadley Beeman: We have potential to liaise with the Federated Social Web XG, who are looking at crypto standards. Also, with regard to other policy areas (authentication, identity management/verification, net neutrality)

16:57:18 <olyerickson> JH: REspectfully disagrees with Dave

Jeanne Holm: REspectfully disagrees with Dave [ Scribe Assist by John Erickson ]

16:57:36 <olyerickson> ... need to be realistic

John Erickson: ... need to be realistic

16:58:04 <davemc> q+

Dave McAllister: q+

16:58:04 <olyerickson> ... if we as govt intend to be efficient, how to reach across constituency

John Erickson: ... if we as govt intend to be efficient, how to reach across constituency

16:58:30 <olyerickson> ... how to propagate across media / beyond electronic

John Erickson: ... how to propagate across media / beyond electronic

16:58:35 <Jeanne> davemc: We do have have and have nots.  We are not necessarily trying to solve the problem for the have nots.  Our model is trying to figure out the use of elecronic media.

Dave McAllister: We do have have and have nots. We are not necessarily trying to solve the problem for the have nots. Our model is trying to figure out the use of elecronic media. [ Scribe Assist by Jeanne Holm ]

16:59:06 <olyerickson> DM: trying to deliver in the digital space...how we move to analog space is not necessarily our mission

Dave McAllister: trying to deliver in the digital space...how we move to analog space is not necessarily our mission [ Scribe Assist by John Erickson ]

17:00:06 <olyerickson> JH: There are 5 countries represented in room whose citizens *are* able to access... example of India, primary delivery is e;ectronic, end delivery to villiages off posters

Jeanne Holm: There are 5 countries represented in room whose citizens *are* able to access... example of India, primary delivery is e;ectronic, end delivery to villiages off posters [ Scribe Assist by John Erickson ]

17:00:23 <olyerickson> DM: can't have eGov solution that displaces current mechanisms

Dave McAllister: can't have eGov solution that displaces current mechanisms [ Scribe Assist by John Erickson ]

17:00:46 <olyerickson> ... e.g. govs can have PDF form, but can't eliminate paper form

John Erickson: ... e.g. govs can have PDF form, but can't eliminate paper form

17:01:23 <davemc> q-

Dave McAllister: q-

17:02:28 <bhyland> q -

Bernadette Hyland: q -

17:02:30 <Jeanne> Anne Fitzgerald--are you on the chat?

Jeanne Holm: Anne Fitzgerald--are you on the chat?

17:02:39 <Jeanne> kevinsimkins: Inspire people to do an action ...

Kevin Simkins: Inspire people to do an action ... [ Scribe Assist by Jeanne Holm ]

17:02:48 <Jeanne> kevinsimkins: to use social media and Twitter to push action to your targeted audience to open up an link to move further down the road with you.

Kevin Simkins: to use social media and Twitter to push action to your targeted audience to open up an link to move further down the road with you. [ Scribe Assist by Jeanne Holm ]

17:03:50 <PhilA> bhyland: makes the point about queue managemenet

Bernadette Hyland: makes the point about queue managemenet [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ]

17:04:01 <Jeanne> kevinsimkins: You want to inspire people to action.

Kevin Simkins: You want to inspire people to action. [ Scribe Assist by Jeanne Holm ]

17:04:01 <davemc> again, suggest looking at gamification concepts for engagement

Dave McAllister: again, suggest looking at gamification concepts for engagement

17:04:06 <Jeanne> bhyland: Need to manage the queue for remote...

Bernadette Hyland: Need to manage the queue for remote... [ Scribe Assist by Jeanne Holm ]

17:04:12 <sandro> zakim, who is on the call?

Sandro Hawke: zakim, who is on the call?

17:04:12 <Zakim> On the phone I see Kevin_Simkins, bhyland, Sandro, tpac, bdhandspicker

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see Kevin_Simkins, bhyland, Sandro, tpac, bdhandspicker

17:04:22 <PhilA> zakim, who is here?

Phil Archer: zakim, who is here?

17:04:22 <Zakim> On the phone I see Kevin_Simkins, bhyland, Sandro, tpac, bdhandspicker

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see Kevin_Simkins, bhyland, Sandro, tpac, bdhandspicker

17:04:23 <Zakim> On IRC I see tlr, bdhandspicker, davemc, ahaller2, HadleyBeeman, rigo, Jeanne, matthewy, gdick, yosuke, RRSAgent, Zakim, PhilA, olyerickson, chsiao, kevinsimkins, MacTed, bhyland,

Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see tlr, bdhandspicker, davemc, ahaller2, HadleyBeeman, rigo, Jeanne, matthewy, gdick, yosuke, RRSAgent, Zakim, PhilA, olyerickson, chsiao, kevinsimkins, MacTed, bhyland,

17:04:25 <Zakim> ... edsu, trackbot, sandro

Zakim IRC Bot: ... edsu, trackbot, sandro

17:05:25 <HadleyBeeman> Re the term egov… I'm starting to wonder if there's more scope in this group for informing infrastructural policies (like net neutrality, authentication and crypto) where governments may not have the resources or expertise to hand, but could be making laws/rules that impact the rest of the w3c work

Hadley Beeman: Re the term egov… I'm starting to wonder if there's more scope in this group for informing infrastructural policies (like net neutrality, authentication and crypto) where governments may not have the resources or expertise to hand, but could be making laws/rules that impact the rest of the w3c work

17:05:51 <PhilA> q+

Phil Archer: q+

17:05:56 <Jeanne> olyerickson: Other than posting a position statement (like John Sheridan's), it's not clear to me what this group produced earlier.

John Erickson: Other than posting a position statement (like John Sheridan's), it's not clear to me what this group produced earlier. [ Scribe Assist by Jeanne Holm ]

17:06:04 <PhilA> ack bhyland

Phil Archer: ack bhyland

17:06:05 <Jeanne> olyerickson: It's not clear to me now where we want to go.

John Erickson: It's not clear to me now where we want to go. [ Scribe Assist by Jeanne Holm ]

17:06:11 <davemc> q+

Dave McAllister: q+

17:06:41 <Jeanne> olyerickson: When we deal with policy we have an intuitive feel for what we want to do.  It's not clear to me how we should play with this.

John Erickson: When we deal with policy we have an intuitive feel for what we want to do. It's not clear to me how we should play with this. [ Scribe Assist by Jeanne Holm ]

17:06:49 <HadleyBeeman> q+

Hadley Beeman: q+

17:06:53 <PhilA> ack me

Phil Archer: ack me

17:06:58 <Jeanne> q+

Jeanne Holm: q+

17:07:12 <davemc> to answer John: outside of the doc referenced, nothing was ever extended beyond this

Dave McAllister: to answer John: outside of the doc referenced, nothing was ever extended beyond this

17:07:34 <Jeanne> PhilA: I noticed in the conversation two threads.  Kevin, I find your work very interesting and some of those affect other W3C groups and I will follow up.

Phil Archer: I noticed in the conversation two threads. Kevin, I find your work very interesting and some of those affect other W3C groups and I will follow up. [ Scribe Assist by Jeanne Holm ]

17:07:56 <Jeanne> kevinsimkins: There are a lot of advancements and ways for people to interact.  Keep an open mind to everything.  Every advancement brings something new down the road.

Kevin Simkins: There are a lot of advancements and ways for people to interact. Keep an open mind to everything. Every advancement brings something new down the road. [ Scribe Assist by Jeanne Holm ]

17:08:16 <Jeanne> kevinsimkins: You have to prepare yourself for where the future is.  You have the abilities and all the tools needed to lead the charge.

Kevin Simkins: You have to prepare yourself for where the future is. You have the abilities and all the tools needed to lead the charge. [ Scribe Assist by Jeanne Holm ]

17:08:26 <olyerickson> q?

John Erickson: q?

17:08:42 <Jeanne> PhilA: The second thread is about the use of Twitter and social media generally, particularly by elected officials.

Phil Archer: The second thread is about the use of Twitter and social media generally, particularly by elected officials. [ Scribe Assist by Jeanne Holm ]

17:09:04 <Jeanne> Victor:  Members of the Duma do tweet.

Victor Klintsov: Members of the Duma do tweet. [ Scribe Assist by Jeanne Holm ]

17:09:15 <Jeanne> PhilA: Is it a matter of public record.

Phil Archer: Is it a matter of public record. [ Scribe Assist by Jeanne Holm ]

17:09:30 <Jeanne> Victor:  Not a well spread social conversation or two side communication.

Victor Klintsov: Not a well spread social conversation or two side communication. [ Scribe Assist by Jeanne Holm ]

17:09:52 <Jeanne> PhilA: If I tweet something, would you think that message is something that should be part of the public record of the discussions?

Phil Archer: If I tweet something, would you think that message is something that should be part of the public record of the discussions? [ Scribe Assist by Jeanne Holm ]

17:10:17 <Jeanne> Victor:  Generally they tweet some criticism of their colleagues, and not more substantial.

Victor Klintsov: Generally they tweet some criticism of their colleagues, and not more substantial. [ Scribe Assist by Jeanne Holm ]

17:10:43 <Jeanne> PhilA: My thought is that if it is the case that people other than us that if an elected official's tweets should be part of the public record...

Phil Archer: My thought is that if it is the case that people other than us that if an elected official's tweets should be part of the public record... [ Scribe Assist by Jeanne Holm ]

17:12:14 <Jeanne> PhilA: This would be a relatively quick thing for us to do.

Phil Archer: This would be a relatively quick thing for us to do. [ Scribe Assist by Jeanne Holm ]

17:12:19 <olyerickson> @edsu, what is the current status of twitter archives at LoC?

John Erickson: @edsu, what is the current status of twitter archives at LoC?

17:12:21 <Jeanne> PhilA: Library of Congress is supposed to be recording every tweet.  Imagine you have an instance where legislators are told that all tweets will be recorded.  It would require a small note or recommendation from the W3C.

Phil Archer: Library of Congress is supposed to be recording every tweet. Imagine you have an instance where legislators are told that all tweets will be recorded. It would require a small note or recommendation from the W3C. [ Scribe Assist by Jeanne Holm ]

17:12:28 <Jeanne> Karen Myers (W3C):  Did you discuss emergency alerts and the use of social media say in Japan during the tsunami?

Jeanne Holm: Karen Myers (W3C): Did you discuss emergency alerts and the use of social media say in Japan during the tsunami?

17:12:42 <PhilA> ack davemc

Phil Archer: ack davemc

17:13:46 <Jeanne> davemc: Suggest two things:  there are government docs that say this is how you should and should not use social media--we should collect and look across for commonalities of elements.

Dave McAllister: Suggest two things: there are government docs that say this is how you should and should not use social media--we should collect and look across for commonalities of elements. [ Scribe Assist by Jeanne Holm ]

17:13:47 <Jeanne> davemc: From that we can become an active task force to show social media is impacting government, outreach models, inreach models, emergencies.

Dave McAllister: From that we can become an active task force to show social media is impacting government, outreach models, inreach models, emergencies. [ Scribe Assist by Jeanne Holm ]

17:13:58 <Jeanne>  CARD: (via Dave) we should collect and look across for commonalities of elements

Jeanne Holm: CARD: (via Dave) we should collect and look across for commonalities of elements

17:14:20 <davemc> q-

Dave McAllister: q-

17:15:01 <PhilA> ack HadleyBeeman

Phil Archer: ack HadleyBeeman

17:15:09 <Jeanne> HadleyBeeman: When government makes decisions, they try to create a well rounded picture

Hadley Beeman: When government makes decisions, they try to create a well rounded picture [ Scribe Assist by Jeanne Holm ]

17:15:10 <Jeanne> davemc: We need to create a best practices on the use of social media inward and outward facing for government.

Dave McAllister: We need to create a best practices on the use of social media inward and outward facing for government. [ Scribe Assist by Jeanne Holm ]

17:15:21 <Jeanne> davemc: You can tweet our California senators while in session.

Dave McAllister: You can tweet our California senators while in session. [ Scribe Assist by Jeanne Holm ]

17:15:36 <olyerickson> +1 to davemc's point w.r.t. "best practices" document that captures applications of social media and rec'd policies, etc

John Erickson: +1 to davemc's point w.r.t. "best practices" document that captures applications of social media and rec'd policies, etc

17:15:42 <Jeanne> HadleyBeeman: If you decide to put all public services on line, you cut off certain people.  I think there are more such conflicts.

Hadley Beeman: If you decide to put all public services on line, you cut off certain people. I think there are more such conflicts. [ Scribe Assist by Jeanne Holm ]

17:16:12 <PhilA> q+

Phil Archer: q+

17:16:24 <davemc> +1 to Hadley on providing guidance on impact

Dave McAllister: +1 to Hadley on providing guidance on impact

17:16:47 <Jeanne> HadleyBeeman: The W3C has a very strong role in helping governments understand the impact of these decisions.

Hadley Beeman: The W3C has a very strong role in helping governments understand the impact of these decisions. [ Scribe Assist by Jeanne Holm ]

17:16:47 <Jeanne> HadleyBeeman: There is a lot of information that would be important for people to understand.

Hadley Beeman: There is a lot of information that would be important for people to understand. [ Scribe Assist by Jeanne Holm ]

17:18:01 <Jeanne> PhilA: There is an interesting point about one policy affecting others or other standards.  The place for that is the TAG.

Phil Archer: There is an interesting point about one policy affecting others or other standards. The place for that is the TAG. [ Scribe Assist by Jeanne Holm ]

17:18:01 <Jeanne> PhilA: There are policies that do affect the Web and we need to write that up and note it for the TAG.

Phil Archer: There are policies that do affect the Web and we need to write that up and note it for the TAG. [ Scribe Assist by Jeanne Holm ]

17:18:08 <Jeanne> PhilA: The Technical Architecture Group is only elected folks who see how the affects of one area on other.

Phil Archer: The Technical Architecture Group is only elected folks who see how the affects of one area on other. [ Scribe Assist by Jeanne Holm ]

17:18:31 <Jeanne> HadleyBeeman: We also need to reflect back to our colleeagues and others so that we can inform our own governments before such decisions are made.

Hadley Beeman: We also need to reflect back to our colleeagues and others so that we can inform our own governments before such decisions are made. [ Scribe Assist by Jeanne Holm ]

17:18:37 <PhilA> ack me

Phil Archer: ack me

17:18:56 <Jeanne> kevinsimkins: Augmented reality allows people to tag and mark locations.

Kevin Simkins: Augmented reality allows people to tag and mark locations. [ Scribe Assist by Jeanne Holm ]

17:19:37 <davemc> augmented reality is being looked at for standardization, whatever that means <grin>

Dave McAllister: augmented reality is being looked at for standardization, whatever that means <grin>

17:19:49 <davemc> ECMA led activity

Dave McAllister: ECMA led activity

17:19:51 <PhilA> Jeanne: It's clear that one aspect of policy might affect other areas

Jeanne Holm: It's clear that one aspect of policy might affect other areas [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ]

17:20:09 <PhilA> Jeanne: please help us consider where mwe might have connections to make

Jeanne Holm: please help us consider where mwe might have connections to make [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ]

17:20:22 <olyerickson> Jeanne: At end of day will we collect our items to do

Jeanne Holm: At end of day will we collect our items to do [ Scribe Assist by John Erickson ]

17:21:30 <yosuke> http://www.w3.org/2011/webtv/wiki/Draft_chater_of_EITF

Yosuke Funahashi: http://www.w3.org/2011/webtv/wiki/Draft_chater_of_EITF

17:22:12 <Jeanne> yosuke: The new task force on the Web and TV IG is very interested in emergency information (see link above).

Yosuke Funahashi: The new task force on the Web and TV IG is very interested in emergency information (see link above). [ Scribe Assist by Jeanne Holm ]

17:22:48 <Jeanne> yosuke: We think that web and TV devices will be a great way to contribute government information and broadcast important information

Yosuke Funahashi: We think that web and TV devices will be a great way to contribute government information and broadcast important information [ Scribe Assist by Jeanne Holm ]

17:23:34 <Jeanne> PhilA: So the government already has ways to broadcast and they are using it for emergency information?

Phil Archer: So the government already has ways to broadcast and they are using it for emergency information? [ Scribe Assist by Jeanne Holm ]

17:24:10 <Jeanne> yosuke: Government needs to use the telecomm structure for web, tv, mobile, and social media.  Now we have emergency information...

Yosuke Funahashi: Government needs to use the telecomm structure for web, tv, mobile, and social media. Now we have emergency information... [ Scribe Assist by Jeanne Holm ]

17:24:34 <Jeanne> ...how should the government broadcast information.

Jeanne Holm: ...how should the government broadcast information.

17:25:06 <Jeanne> PhilA: On the web and TV working group, the EITF might be formed to help understand how to use the web to get emergency information to people.

Phil Archer: On the web and TV working group, the EITF might be formed to help understand how to use the web to get emergency information to people. [ Scribe Assist by Jeanne Holm ]

17:27:01 <olyerickson> Jeanne: Having another group looking at e.g. disaster classifications etc would be useful

Jeanne Holm: Having another group looking at e.g. disaster classifications etc would be useful [ Scribe Assist by John Erickson ]

17:27:08 <Jeanne> Bernard:  If we are able to provide the tools that could be a good first step for governments.

Bernard Gidon: If we are able to provide the tools that could be a good first step for governments. [ Scribe Assist by Jeanne Holm ]

17:27:11 <PhilA> bernardGidon: This would be seen as interesting for governments. W3C helping govs to establish/design the services

Bernard Gidon: This would be seen as interesting for governments. W3C helping govs to establish/design the services [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ]

17:27:16 <olyerickson> .. would make a lot of sense

John Erickson: .. would make a lot of sense

17:27:30 <gdick> thinks Emergency Information is one thing, Push is another

Gannon Dick: thinks Emergency Information is one thing, Push is another

17:27:37 <Jeanne> PhilA: Interesting that this comes out of Web and TV group

Phil Archer: Interesting that this comes out of Web and TV group [ Scribe Assist by Jeanne Holm ]

17:27:41 <davemc> q

Dave McAllister: q

17:28:07 <Jeanne> Karen:  They have legal mandates that broadcasters need to support for emergency broadcasts.

Karen Myers: They have legal mandates that broadcasters need to support for emergency broadcasts. [ Scribe Assist by Jeanne Holm ]

17:28:34 <Jeanne> chsiao: The Taiwan government is using mixed media, but social media is not that attractive to the government.

Chingteng Hsiao: The Taiwan government is using mixed media, but social media is not that attractive to the government. [ Scribe Assist by Jeanne Holm ]

17:28:43 <PhilA> KarenMyers: the broadcasters have use cases, hence it comes through the Web and YV WG

Karen Myers: the broadcasters have use cases, hence it comes through the Web and YV WG [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ]

17:29:12 <Jeanne> chsiao: Social media is seen as a channel to force government to respond.  We recently had an #Occupy event.

Chingteng Hsiao: Social media is seen as a channel to force government to respond. We recently had an #Occupy event. [ Scribe Assist by Jeanne Holm ]

17:29:45 <Jeanne> chsiao: We don't see how government is going to use social media to engage or broadcast.

Chingteng Hsiao: We don't see how government is going to use social media to engage or broadcast. [ Scribe Assist by Jeanne Holm ]

17:31:16 <Jeanne> chsiao: The government has lots of channels to do propaganda: TV, traditional media.  The internet and social media is being used more for connecting with the younger generation.

Chingteng Hsiao: The government has lots of channels to do propaganda: TV, traditional media. The internet and social media is being used more for connecting with the younger generation. [ Scribe Assist by Jeanne Holm ]

17:31:44 <davemc> just FYI:  The FCC report on social media. http://www.fcc.gov/info-needs-communities

Dave McAllister: just FYI: The FCC report on social media. http://www.fcc.gov/info-needs-communities

17:31:53 <Jeanne> ahaller2: Australia:  social media is like the US and UK, most senators and government departments tweet regularly and are very present on social media sites.

unknown ahaller2: Australia: social media is like the US and UK, most senators and government departments tweet regularly and are very present on social media sites. [ Scribe Assist by Jeanne Holm ]

17:32:31 <Jeanne> ahaller2: The government are looking into different policy areas starting last year

unknown ahaller2: The government are looking into different policy areas starting last year [ Scribe Assist by Jeanne Holm ]

17:33:44 <Jeanne> One of the guidelines Australia has is that PDF documents are not accessible.

Jeanne Holm: One of the guidelines Australia has is that PDF documents are not accessible.

17:33:51 <Jeanne> ahaller2: Every government web site needs to follow WCAG standards

unknown ahaller2: Every government web site needs to follow WCAG standards [ Scribe Assist by Jeanne Holm ]

17:33:52 <Jeanne> davemc: Note that is being retracted

Dave McAllister: Note that is being retracted [ Scribe Assist by Jeanne Holm ]

17:34:59 <Jeanne> ahaller2: Another issue is captions for videos since if you have to capture every video, you'd rather than upload it

unknown ahaller2: Another issue is captions for videos since if you have to capture every video, you'd rather than upload it [ Scribe Assist by Jeanne Holm ]

17:35:30 <davemc> clarification The retraction is that PDF is not accessible.  PDF meets all WCAG 2.0 and Acrobat provides capabilities to meet WCAG 2

Dave McAllister: clarification The retraction is that PDF is not accessible. PDF meets all WCAG 2.0 and Acrobat provides capabilities to meet WCAG 2

17:35:47 <Jeanne> ahaller2: We just had a Gov 2.0 conference a few days ago

unknown ahaller2: We just had a Gov 2.0 conference a few days ago [ Scribe Assist by Jeanne Holm ]

17:36:12 <Jeanne> Victor:  The policy is more or less independent.  The state has lots of ways to traditionally provide content and information.

Victor Klintsov: The policy is more or less independent. The state has lots of ways to traditionally provide content and information. [ Scribe Assist by Jeanne Holm ]

17:36:40 <Jeanne> Victor:  In Russia there are many state-owned media companies.  They should listen to what society is saying.

Victor Klintsov: In Russia there are many state-owned media companies. They should listen to what society is saying. [ Scribe Assist by Jeanne Holm ]

17:36:53 <davemc> WCAG best practices for PDF: http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/2011/WD-WCAG20-TECHS-20110621/pdf.html

Dave McAllister: WCAG best practices for PDF: http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/2011/WD-WCAG20-TECHS-20110621/pdf.html

17:37:21 <Jeanne> Victor:  Officials need to see that there are technological and social systems that are changing.  It's popular through young people who report accidents and bribes along the road and report them.

Victor Klintsov: Officials need to see that there are technological and social systems that are changing. It's popular through young people who report accidents and bribes along the road and report them. [ Scribe Assist by Jeanne Holm ]

17:37:49 <Jeanne> Victor:  Our officials should react.  It is interesting to see how the state-owned media company should organize ideas here because they are close to top officials.

Victor Klintsov: Our officials should react. It is interesting to see how the state-owned media company should organize ideas here because they are close to top officials. [ Scribe Assist by Jeanne Holm ]

17:39:40 <Jeanne> Daniel:  The media companies collect information over social media to help get a sense of what the public is feeling.

Daniel Hdladky: The media companies collect information over social media to help get a sense of what the public is feeling. [ Scribe Assist by Jeanne Holm ]

17:41:03 <Jeanne> Daniel:  This group a new opendata.ch that held a first meeting--there might be something coming up from that group.

Daniel Hdladky: This group a new opendata.ch that held a first meeting--there might be something coming up from that group. [ Scribe Assist by Jeanne Holm ]

17:41:11 <Jeanne> Daniel:  From Switzerland, the Ech.ch group is looking at standards on how to produce financial reports and produce documents.

Daniel Hdladky: From Switzerland, the Ech.ch group is looking at standards on how to produce financial reports and produce documents. [ Scribe Assist by Jeanne Holm ]

17:41:13 <gdick> "The media companies collect information" doesn't like that gatekeeper to elected officials

Gannon Dick: "The media companies collect information" doesn't like that gatekeeper to elected officials

17:41:14 <Jeanne> Daniel:  If you check Twitter activity it's low, like 170 tweets for a politician.

Daniel Hdladky: If you check Twitter activity it's low, like 170 tweets for a politician. [ Scribe Assist by Jeanne Holm ]

17:41:57 <Jeanne> Daniel:  Social media is one way: Facebook, Twitter, and others.

Daniel Hdladky: Social media is one way: Facebook, Twitter, and others. [ Scribe Assist by Jeanne Holm ]

17:42:46 <Jeanne> Daniel:  I think citizens are still following standard news pages, including the younger generations, although they are using FaceBook and Twitter.

Daniel Hdladky: I think citizens are still following standard news pages, including the younger generations, although they are using FaceBook and Twitter. [ Scribe Assist by Jeanne Holm ]

17:43:20 <Jeanne> Bernard:  At the European level, in the nordic region they have a lot of initiatives to open the government data to the population.  It is part of the social environment and they are pushing it.

Bernard Gidon: At the European level, in the nordic region they have a lot of initiatives to open the government data to the population. It is part of the social environment and they are pushing it. [ Scribe Assist by Jeanne Holm ]

17:43:40 <Jeanne> Bernard:  In Israel, they are very open and want to provide this type of information to the population.

Bernard Gidon: In Israel, they are very open and want to provide this type of information to the population. [ Scribe Assist by Jeanne Holm ]

17:44:05 <Jeanne> Bernard:  Some of this is related to security problems, like providing all the bus timing, but they are in the real process to open information.

Bernard Gidon: Some of this is related to security problems, like providing all the bus timing, but they are in the real process to open information. [ Scribe Assist by Jeanne Holm ]

17:44:37 <Jeanne> Bernard:  In France, there are lots of places and cities that are opening up the data.  There's a real process in Europe to do this and the UK story  was well received.

Bernard Gidon: In France, there are lots of places and cities that are opening up the data. There's a real process in Europe to do this and the UK story was well received. [ Scribe Assist by Jeanne Holm ]

17:44:54 <Jeanne> Bernard:  It's very interesting to show the population how they are leading.

Bernard Gidon: It's very interesting to show the population how they are leading. [ Scribe Assist by Jeanne Holm ]

17:45:40 <Jeanne> Bernard:  The President tweets and during a government meeting, some minister is sending information about what is going on during the meeting.  But the President asked them to shut it down because they were talking too soon.

Bernard Gidon: The President tweets and during a government meeting, some minister is sending information about what is going on during the meeting. But the President asked them to shut it down because they were talking too soon. [ Scribe Assist by Jeanne Holm ]

17:46:24 <Jeanne> Karen:  In Boston, a very sophisticated area.  Senators, state, and federal levels in social media.  The mayor of Boston is concerned when a lot of tweets come in about potholes or other things.

Karen Myers: In Boston, a very sophisticated area. Senators, state, and federal levels in social media. The mayor of Boston is concerned when a lot of tweets come in about potholes or other things. [ Scribe Assist by Jeanne Holm ]

17:46:43 <Jeanne> Karen:  There are many more issues that are exposed and there is a two way interaction.

Karen Myers: There are many more issues that are exposed and there is a two way interaction. [ Scribe Assist by Jeanne Holm ]

17:47:27 <davemc> ack

Dave McAllister: ack

17:47:31 <davemc> q+

Dave McAllister: q+

17:47:36 <davemc> q-

Dave McAllister: q-

17:48:11 <Jeanne> olyerickson: The state of Vermont uses social media to gather needed repairs and reports about roads and disasters.

John Erickson: The state of Vermont uses social media to gather needed repairs and reports about roads and disasters. [ Scribe Assist by Jeanne Holm ]

17:48:13 <Jeanne> q-

Jeanne Holm: q-

17:49:35 <PhilA> q?

Phil Archer: q?

17:49:46 <PhilA> zakim, who is here?

Phil Archer: zakim, who is here?

17:49:46 <Zakim> On the phone I see Kevin_Simkins, bhyland, Sandro, tpac, bdhandspicker

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see Kevin_Simkins, bhyland, Sandro, tpac, bdhandspicker

17:49:47 <Zakim> On IRC I see tlr, bdhandspicker, davemc, ahaller2, HadleyBeeman, rigo, Jeanne, matthewy, gdick, yosuke, RRSAgent, Zakim, PhilA, olyerickson, chsiao, kevinsimkins, MacTed, bhyland,

Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see tlr, bdhandspicker, davemc, ahaller2, HadleyBeeman, rigo, Jeanne, matthewy, gdick, yosuke, RRSAgent, Zakim, PhilA, olyerickson, chsiao, kevinsimkins, MacTed, bhyland,

17:49:50 <Zakim> ... edsu, trackbot, sandro

Zakim IRC Bot: ... edsu, trackbot, sandro

17:50:30 <Jeanne> Matthew Yates:  Very interested in government and citizens use of social media.  Concern:  the use is evolving at such a pace, is W3C positioned to respond quickly onthis?

Jeanne Holm: Matthew Yates: Very interested in government and citizens use of social media. Concern: the use is evolving at such a pace, is W3C positioned to respond quickly onthis?

17:50:34 <Jeanne> bhyland: Very interesting to hear everyone's perspectives.

Bernadette Hyland: Very interesting to hear everyone's perspectives. [ Scribe Assist by Jeanne Holm ]

17:50:43 <HadleyBeeman> q+

Hadley Beeman: q+

17:51:10 <Jeanne> kevinsimkins: Good to think about augmented reality and the citizen-citizen interactions

Kevin Simkins: Good to think about augmented reality and the citizen-citizen interactions [ Scribe Assist by Jeanne Holm ]

17:51:31 <Jeanne> kevinsimkins: And gov-citizen interactions that allow mobile connectivity as well.

Kevin Simkins: And gov-citizen interactions that allow mobile connectivity as well. [ Scribe Assist by Jeanne Holm ]

17:51:33 <PhilA> kevinsimkins: talks about Augmented Reality on mobile and where citizens can upload info about things like length of queues at locations etc.

Kevin Simkins: talks about Augmented Reality on mobile and where citizens can upload info about things like length of queues at locations etc. [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ]

17:52:18 <Jeanne> bhyland: Because this is so well funded at DoD in the US, what is the time horizon for this to be more used by the general public?

Bernadette Hyland: Because this is so well funded at DoD in the US, what is the time horizon for this to be more used by the general public? [ Scribe Assist by Jeanne Holm ]

17:52:27 <gdick> thinks like data.gov airports app ?

Gannon Dick: thinks like data.gov airports app ?

17:52:49 <davemc> AR is also quite active in the open source community.

Dave McAllister: AR is also quite active in the open source community.

17:52:53 <Jeanne> bhyland: Many of the apps used were developed initially by DoD and others.

Bernadette Hyland: Many of the apps used were developed initially by DoD and others. [ Scribe Assist by Jeanne Holm ]

17:53:09 <Jeanne> bhyland: what is the horizon until these are easily available?

Bernadette Hyland: what is the horizon until these are easily available? [ Scribe Assist by Jeanne Holm ]

17:53:09 <PhilA> q+

Phil Archer: q+

17:53:18 <Jeanne> kevinsimkins: Two years

Kevin Simkins: Two years [ Scribe Assist by Jeanne Holm ]

17:53:31 <bhyland> Thanks Kevin, very interesting.

Bernadette Hyland: Thanks Kevin, very interesting.

17:53:40 <davemc> AR from gartner hype cycle: http://www.gartner.com/it/page.jsp?id=1447613

Dave McAllister: AR from gartner hype cycle: http://www.gartner.com/it/page.jsp?id=1447613

17:53:48 <PhilA> ack HadleyBeeman

Phil Archer: ack HadleyBeeman

17:53:57 <davemc> if you trust gartner

Dave McAllister: if you trust gartner

17:54:22 <bhyland> @Jeanne - are you going to take a break before I facilitate a session on W3C Government Linked Data WG / Community Directory?

Bernadette Hyland: @Jeanne - are you going to take a break before I facilitate a session on W3C Government Linked Data WG / Community Directory?

17:54:57 <Jeanne> HadleyBeeman: UK government is currently funding 600,000 pounds of competition in the private sector to manage publicly available social media data.

Hadley Beeman: UK government is currently funding 600,000 pounds of competition in the private sector to manage publicly available social media data. [ Scribe Assist by Jeanne Holm ]

17:55:07 <Jeanne> PhilA: There is an Augmented Reality IG and are looking at which areas of web technology are available.

Phil Archer: There is an Augmented Reality IG and are looking at which areas of web technology are available. [ Scribe Assist by Jeanne Holm ]

17:55:08 <Jeanne> ack Phila

Jeanne Holm: ack Phila

17:55:10 <Jeanne> bhyland: Yes

Bernadette Hyland: Yes [ Scribe Assist by Jeanne Holm ]

17:55:49 <Jeanne> PhilA: This group should look at the use of such technologies within gov

Phil Archer: This group should look at the use of such technologies within gov [ Scribe Assist by Jeanne Holm ]

17:57:34 <Zakim> -bdhandspicker

Zakim IRC Bot: -bdhandspicker

17:57:48 <bhyland> The discussion after the break is an update on W3C Government Linked Data Working Group & the Community Directory deliverable.  Slides at http://www.slideshare.net/bhylandwood/20111101-b-hylandw3ctpacegov-9979983

Bernadette Hyland: The discussion after the break is an update on W3C Government Linked Data Working Group & the Community Directory deliverable. Slides at http://www.slideshare.net/bhylandwood/20111101-b-hylandw3ctpacegov-9979983

17:57:56 <gdick> http://explore.data.gov/Transportation/Airport-Status-Web-Service/73wc-weaf

Gannon Dick: http://explore.data.gov/Transportation/Airport-Status-Web-Service/73wc-weaf

17:58:06 <bhyland> (sorry I couldn't post on W3C wiki as the limit was 5MB and my deck is a  bit larger ...)

Bernadette Hyland: (sorry I couldn't post on W3C wiki as the limit was 5MB and my deck is a bit larger ...)

17:59:02 <Zakim> -bhyland

Zakim IRC Bot: -bhyland

17:59:17 <bhyland> I'll dial back in at 11:15AM PST

Bernadette Hyland: I'll dial back in at 11:15AM PST

18:03:19 <Zakim> -Kevin_Simkins

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18:07:40 <JonathanJ> rrsagent, draft minutes

Jonathan Jeon: rrsagent, draft minutes

18:07:40 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/11/01-egov-minutes.html JonathanJ

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18:13:11 <Zakim> +bhyland

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18:21:00 <olyerickson> zkim, i'm the scribe.

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18:21:37 <bhyland> http://www.slideshare.net/bhylandwood/20111101-b-hylandw3ctpacegov-9979983

Bernadette Hyland: http://www.slideshare.net/bhylandwood/20111101-b-hylandw3ctpacegov-9979983

18:21:42 <olyerickson1> zakim, I am the scribe.

John Erickson: zakim, I am the scribe.

18:21:42 <Zakim> I don't understand 'I am the scribe', olyerickson1

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18:21:52 <olyerickson1> scribe: olyerickson

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18:22:00 <olyerickson1> TOPIC: community directory

2. community directory

18:23:00 <olyerickson1> Point of order: AnneF will speak in afternoon

Point of order: AnneF will speak in afternoon

18:23:29 <olyerickson1> bhyland: will highlight importance of o.g. licensing during talk

Bernadette Hyland: will highlight importance of o.g. licensing during talk

18:23:49 <olyerickson1> ... has updated slides on w3c site

... has updated slides on w3c site

18:24:14 <olyerickson1> ... correction: NOT yet on site

... correction: NOT yet on site

18:24:15 <bhyland> Here are my slides, please see http://www.slideshare.net/bhylandwood/20111101-b-hylandw3ctpacegov-9979983

Bernadette Hyland: Here are my slides, please see http://www.slideshare.net/bhylandwood/20111101-b-hylandw3ctpacegov-9979983

18:25:28 <olyerickson1> bhyland: is reusing much of her content from Warsaw

Bernadette Hyland: is reusing much of her content from Warsaw

18:25:49 <olyerickson1> ... these slides more focused on w3c-related issues

... these slides more focused on w3c-related issues

18:26:02 <olyerickson1> ... no assumption that people have Linked Data background

... no assumption that people have Linked Data background

18:26:18 <olyerickson1>  Slide: "Why do we share"

Slide: "Why do we share"

18:26:51 <olyerickson1> ... Modern web is information center owned by noone

... Modern web is information center owned by noone

18:27:05 <olyerickson1> ... W3C is to be credited with this accomplishment

... W3C is to be credited with this accomplishment

18:27:27 <olyerickson1> ... W3C process --- open forums, etc

... W3C process --- open forums, etc

18:27:52 <Zakim> +Kevin_Simkins

Zakim IRC Bot: +Kevin_Simkins

18:28:12 <olyerickson1> ... open govt data initiatives & partnerships have potential to do major good

... open govt data initiatives & partnerships have potential to do major good

18:28:40 <olyerickson1>  Slide: It;s a good thing to share...

Slide: It;s a good thing to share...

18:28:54 <olyerickson1>  Slide: "Sharing Worldwide"

Slide: "Sharing Worldwide"

18:29:25 <olyerickson1> ... sharing will xform how govts serve

... sharing will xform how govts serve

18:29:35 <olyerickson1>  Slide: Unclear how to get there

Slide: Unclear how to get there

18:29:55 <olyerickson1>  Slide: Ref's to several Linked Data books

Slide: Ref's to several Linked Data books

18:30:06 <olyerickson1> ... evolutionary approach, won't get there overnight

... evolutionary approach, won't get there overnight

18:30:23 <olyerickson1> ... knowledge of HOW mush be shared openly through publication

... knowledge of HOW mush be shared openly through publication

18:31:26 <olyerickson1> ... Def'n of Linked Data; essence is sharing data based on open int'l standards

... Def'n of Linked Data; essence is sharing data based on open int'l standards

18:31:36 <olyerickson1> ... predicated on 20-yr-old principals

... predicated on 20-yr-old principles

18:31:47 <olyerickson1> s/pals/ples/
18:33:37 <olyerickson1>  Slide: Linking Govt Data (book): 42 contributors from 8 countries about real-world applications

Slide: Linking Govt Data (book): 42 contributors from 8 countries about real-world applications

18:33:42 <olyerickson1> ... peer-reviewed chapters

... peer-reviewed chapters

18:34:15 <olyerickson1> ... concept: if we have books out there, will ultimately influence policy

... concept: if we have books out there, will ultimately influence policy

18:34:43 <olyerickson1>  Slide: Springer site for Linking Govt Data book

Slide: Springer site for Linking Govt Data book

18:35:02 <olyerickson1>  Slide: TBL's 5 Star Rating (coffee cup)

Slide: TBL's 5 Star Rating (coffee cup)

18:35:51 <olyerickson1> ... ref TBL's defn of 5 stars

... ref TBL's defn of 5 stars

18:36:33 <olyerickson1> ... discussion of purpose of W3C GLD WG: best practices for high-quality open govt data

... discussion of purpose of W3C GLD WG: best practices for high-quality open govt data

18:37:09 <olyerickson1> ... examples of high-quality data

... examples of high-quality data

18:37:35 <olyerickson1> ... 4, 5-star linked data includes: science data, health data, environmental data

... 4, 5-star linked data includes: science data, health data, environmental data

18:38:17 <olyerickson1>  Slide: Funky BBC slide backed by RDF

Slide: Funky BBC slide backed by RDF

18:38:56 <olyerickson1> ... Human-readable web page about mallard duck, supported by RDF

... Human-readable web page about mallard duck, supported by RDF

18:39:24 <olyerickson1> ... side comment: bhyland to supply URLs to books at end of talk

... side comment: bhyland to supply URLs to books at end of talk

18:39:50 <olyerickson1> ... RDF on BBC mallard slide shown in Turtle

... RDF on BBC mallard slide shown in Turtle

18:40:27 <olyerickson1> ... Note about slide: revolution in data sharing is happening inside enterprise as well as out

... Note about slide: revolution in data sharing is happening inside enterprise as well as out

18:40:38 <olyerickson1>  Slide: "We;ve seen this before"

Slide: "We;ve seen this before"

18:40:50 <olyerickson1> ... human- vs machine-readable

... human- vs machine-readable

18:41:02 <olyerickson1> ... credit-card example

... credit-card example

18:41:30 <olyerickson1>  Slide: Lots of logos...household names in USA, so. hemisphere, Europe

Slide: Lots of logos...household names in USA, so. hemisphere, Europe

18:41:40 <olyerickson1> ... orgs that are sharing their data

... orgs that are sharing their data

18:42:21 <olyerickson1> ... special note: the companies that are typically cautious, slow moving, but are active

... special note: the companies that are typically cautious, slow moving, but are active

18:42:50 <olyerickson1> ... story of Dennis Misnoski (sp!) from DoD

... story of Dennis Wisnosky (sp!) from DoD

18:43:06 <olyerickson1> ... story of wasted investment in data integration

... story of wasted investment in data integration

18:43:43 <bhyland> s/Dennis Misnoski/Dennis Wisnosky
18:43:46 <olyerickson1> ... (DoD guy) has been featured at various recent semantic technology conference

... (DoD guy) has been featured at various recent semantic technology conference

18:44:14 <olyerickson1>  Slide: "In 3 brief years"

Slide: "In 3 brief years"

18:44:38 <olyerickson1> ... Linked Data rollout timeline since 2008

... Linked Data rollout timeline since 2008

18:45:38 <olyerickson1> ... Sep 2011, Obama & Brazil pres endorses "Open Govt Partnership" along with 7 other nations

... Sep 2011, Obama & Brazil pres endorses "Open Govt Partnership" along with 7 other nations

18:45:58 <olyerickson1> ... total of nine govt's have published documents/statements

... total of nine govt's have published documents/statements

18:46:15 <olyerickson1> ... we are fortunate to have endorsement/support of heads-of-state

... we are fortunate to have endorsement/support of heads-of-state

18:46:21 <Zakim> +bdhandspicker

Zakim IRC Bot: +bdhandspicker

18:46:29 <olyerickson1>  Slide:

Slide:

18:46:44 <olyerickson1>  Slide: "What has a standard ever done for me?"

Slide: "What has a standard ever done for me?"

18:47:05 <olyerickson1> ... successes of W3C recommendations

... successes of W3C recommendations

18:47:24 <olyerickson1> ... have enabled the "sharing revolution"

... have enabled the "sharing revolution"

18:47:39 <olyerickson1> ... consider the alternative: CLOSED

... consider the alternative: CLOSED

18:48:19 <bhyland> Francis Gurry, the Director General of the UN's World Intellectual Property Organization (WIPO).

Bernadette Hyland: Francis Gurry, the Director General of the UN's World Intellectual Property Organization (WIPO).

18:48:19 <bhyland> In Gurry's view, “the Web would have been better off if it had been locked away in patents, and if every user of the Web had needed to pay a license fee to use it.”

Bernadette Hyland: In Gurry's view, “the Web would have been better off if it had been locked away in patents, and if every user of the Web had needed to pay a license fee to use it.”

18:48:21 <olyerickson1> ... They are those "in high places" who would prefer the info environment be more closed

... They are those "in high places" who would prefer the info environment be more closed

18:48:58 <olyerickson1>  Slide: The LOD Cloud (Sep 2011)

Slide: The LOD Cloud (Sep 2011)

18:49:11 <olyerickson1> ... Richard Cyganiak et.al.

... Richard Cyganiak et.al.

18:49:21 <olyerickson1> ... the full-color version...

... the full-color version...

18:50:17 <olyerickson1> ... LOD cloud has more than 31B triples, millions of links

... LOD cloud has more than 31B triples, millions of links

18:50:30 <olyerickson1> ... some do the linking better than others

... some do the linking better than others

18:50:45 <olyerickson1> ... Govts are ones who actually don't do a great job inter-linking

... Govts are ones who actually don't do a great job inter-linking

18:51:10 <olyerickson1> ... bhyland gives tour of the LOD cloud...

... bhyland gives tour of the LOD cloud...

18:51:52 <olyerickson1>  Slide: Open Govt Data Camp

Slide: Open Govt Data Camp

18:52:28 <olyerickson1> ... map of world, showing highlights of attendance

... map of world, showing highlights of attendance

18:52:37 <bhyland> Open Government Data Camp 2011 attendees:  41 countries (18%).

Bernadette Hyland: Open Government Data Camp 2011 attendees: 41 countries (18%).

18:52:37 <bhyland>  Source : http://ogdcamp.org/about/countries/

Bernadette Hyland: Source : http://ogdcamp.org/about/countries/

18:52:38 <olyerickson1> ... 41 countries in attendance

... 41 countries in attendance

18:52:48 <olyerickson1> ... mostly open data advocates

... mostly open data advocates

18:53:04 <olyerickson1>  Slide: Open Govt Data *Sites*

Slide: Open Govt Data *Sites*

18:53:14 <olyerickson1> ... flipping between slides

... flipping between slides

18:53:44 <olyerickson1> ... highlights the fact that OGC attendees focused on learning

... highlights the fact that OGC attendees focused on learning

18:54:34 <olyerickson1> bhyland asks karen to speak to role of eGov activity

bhyland asks karen to speak to role of eGov activity

18:54:48 <olyerickson1> karen: lots of support from TBL

Karen Myers: lots of support from TBL

18:55:04 <olyerickson1> PhilA: W3C very keen on the activity

Phil Archer: W3C very keen on the activity

18:55:24 <olyerickson1> bhyland: everyone should take satisfaction in knowing thta this is not an obscure activity

Bernadette Hyland: everyone should take satisfaction in knowing thta this is not an obscure activity

18:55:35 <olyerickson1> ... tip of the iceberg of what needs to be done

... tip of the iceberg of what needs to be done

18:55:44 <olyerickson1>  Slide: Govt LOD on CKAN

Slide: Govt LOD on CKAN

18:56:15 <olyerickson1> ... data published on ckan meeting standards for license, size, inter-linking

... data published on ckan meeting standards for license, size, inter-linking

18:56:21 <bhyland> Government LOD published to CKAN.net, meeting LOD standards for license, size, interlinking, regardless of publisher:  28 countries (12%)

Bernadette Hyland: Government LOD published to CKAN.net, meeting LOD standards for license, size, interlinking, regardless of publisher: 28 countries (12%)

18:56:21 <bhyland> Government publishers: Remove Brazil.  Note that EU publishes for Europe; UK publishes most.

Bernadette Hyland: Government publishers: Remove Brazil. Note that EU publishes for Europe; UK publishes most.

18:56:21 <bhyland> Source : http://thedatahub.org/dataset

Bernadette Hyland: Source : http://thedatahub.org/dataset

18:56:42 <olyerickson1>  Slide: Largest Publisher of Govt LOD

Slide: Largest Publisher of Govt LOD

18:56:51 <olyerickson1> ... UK govt should feel really good

... UK govt should feel really good

18:58:01 <olyerickson1> ... comments on EU commission's funding levels over open initiatives over next 7-10 years

... comments on EU commission's funding levels over open initiatives over next 7-10 years

18:58:24 <olyerickson1> ... EU solves this problem in a "different way..."

... EU solves this problem in a "different way..."

18:59:06 <olyerickson1>  Slide: Will LD cross the chasm? (image of cliffs along the ocean)

Slide: Will LD cross the chasm? (image of cliffs along the ocean)

18:59:11 <olyerickson1> ... JSON not good enough

... JSON not good enough

18:59:37 <olyerickson1> ... litany of criticisms that are no longer true

... litany of criticisms that are no longer true

18:59:51 <olyerickson1> ... many tools available via open source

... many tools available via open source

19:00:08 <olyerickson1> ... mention of Callimachus

... mention of Callimachus

19:00:28 <olyerickson1> ... racing to a future with increasingly more complex info

... racing to a future with increasingly more complex info

19:00:53 <olyerickson1>  Slide: What is next, signs of things to come, structured data becoming mainstream

Slide: What is next, signs of things to come, structured data becoming mainstream

19:01:09 <olyerickson1> ... e.g. Schema.org partnership

... e.g. Schema.org partnership

19:01:17 <olyerickson1>  Slide: W3G GLD WG

Slide: W3G GLD WG

19:01:27 <olyerickson1> ... Runs through May 2013

... Runs through May 2013

19:01:42 <olyerickson1> ... 39 participants from 25 orgs

... 39 participants from 25 orgs

19:01:53 <olyerickson1> ...50% are *not* USA

...50% are *not* USA

19:02:03 <olyerickson1> ... ref> GLD charter URL

... ref> GLD charter URL

19:02:43 <olyerickson1>  Slide: Screen shot of GLD charter

Slide: Screen shot of GLD charter

19:02:55 <olyerickson1> ... weekly calls

... weekly calls

19:03:07 <olyerickson1> ... several f2f's throughout year

... several f2f's throughout year

19:03:13 <olyerickson1>  Slide: GLD Deliverables

Slide: GLD Deliverables

19:03:20 <olyerickson1> ... Community Directory

... Community Directory

19:03:25 <olyerickson1> ... Best Practices

... Best Practices

19:04:02 <Zakim> -Sandro

Zakim IRC Bot: -Sandro

19:04:22 <olyerickson1> ... big issue: understanding context about the data

... big issue: understanding context about the data

19:04:39 <olyerickson1> ... context crucial to using the data

... context crucial to using the data

19:04:57 <Zakim> +Sandro

Zakim IRC Bot: +Sandro

19:04:59 <olyerickson1> ... if licensing terms not clear, no professional org will want to touch it

... if licensing terms not clear, no professional org will want to touch it

19:05:29 <olyerickson1> ... licensing of "content" in USA different than e.g. in EU

... licensing of "content" in USA different than e.g. in EU

19:05:55 <olyerickson1> ... GLD WG not dealing with licensing

... GLD WG not dealing with licensing

19:06:05 <olyerickson1> ... CC has done remarkable job

... CC has done remarkable job

19:06:23 <olyerickson1> ... UK has produced open govt license (exemplar)

... UK has produced open govt license (exemplar)

19:06:59 <olyerickson1> sandro: reminder of Open Knowledge Foundation contribution

Sandro Hawke: reminder of Open Knowledge Foundation contribution

19:07:47 <olyerickson1> bhyland: Summary of OKFN role, W3C role

Bernadette Hyland: Summary of OKFN role, W3C role

19:08:09 <olyerickson1> ... also in GLD charter: Cookbook for LOD

... also in GLD charter: Cookbook for LOD

19:08:44 <olyerickson1>  slide: Screen shot of Community Directory prototype (list of orgs)

slide: Screen shot of Community Directory prototype (list of orgs)

19:08:54 <olyerickson1> ... intended to be open

... intended to be open

19:09:01 <olyerickson1> ... to serve as clearinghouse

... to serve as clearinghouse

19:09:19 <olyerickson1> ... to act as a "hub" for orgs in business of publishing linked data

... to act as a "hub" for orgs in business of publishing linked data

19:09:27 <olyerickson1> ... regardless of "star" ranking

... regardless of "star" ranking

19:09:51 <olyerickson1> ... goal is to have names, contact details, links to orgs providing services

... goal is to have names, contact details, links to orgs providing services

19:10:25 <olyerickson1> http://www.w3.org/egov/directory/

http://www.w3.org/egov/directory/

19:11:04 <olyerickson1> ... need for community to have place to grab stats on what's happening around the world

... need for community to have place to grab stats on what's happening around the world

19:11:19 <olyerickson1> ... how many orgs of what type are doing what

... how many orgs of what type are doing what

19:11:44 <olyerickson1> ... Community Directory built on Callimachus platform

... Community Directory built on Callimachus platform

19:12:15 <olyerickson1> PhilA: Instance of Callimachus that 3roundstones hosting that W3C is pointing at

Phil Archer: Instance of Callimachus that 3roundstones hosting that W3C is pointing at

19:12:21 <olyerickson1> bhyland; yes

bhyland; yes

19:12:44 <olyerickson1> ... built on open source platform, using data in standard open format, etc

... built on open source platform, using data in standard open format, etc

19:13:10 <olyerickson1> ... "lets all go in the same direction"

... "lets all go in the same direction"

19:13:44 <olyerickson1> ... sharing of informaiton about who else is doing this stuff, where are they, what are they working on

... sharing of informaiton about who else is doing this stuff, where are they, what are they working on

19:13:47 <Zakim> -bdhandspicker

Zakim IRC Bot: -bdhandspicker

19:13:56 <olyerickson1> PhilA: Just orgs or individuals?

Phil Archer: Just orgs or individuals?

19:14:22 <olyerickson1> bhyland: yes, individual contributors, contractors, companies, W3C members or non-members

Bernadette Hyland: yes, individual contributors, contractors, companies, W3C members or non-members

19:14:40 <olyerickson1> ... info must be "neutral" and objective

... info must be "neutral" and objective

19:15:11 <olyerickson1>  Slide: 3 Round Stones Inc directory page

Slide: 3 Round Stones Inc directory page

19:15:25 <olyerickson1> ... illustration of entering info

... illustration of entering info

19:15:44 <olyerickson1> ... CD in beta; now is the time to submit suggestions

... CD in beta; now is the time to submit suggestions

19:16:03 <olyerickson1> ... extending to include events, etc

... extending to include events, etc

19:16:14 <olyerickson1> ... intent is not to have a complex application

... intent is not to have a complex application

19:16:38 <olyerickson1> ... email to gld public list with feedback

... email to gld public list with feedback

19:16:46 <olyerickson1> q?

q?

19:16:46 <bhyland> q?

Bernadette Hyland: q?

19:17:23 <olyerickson1> PhilA: (off minutes)

Phil Archer: (off minutes)

19:17:55 <olyerickson1> PhilA: is this sustainable by 3RoundStones?

Phil Archer: is this sustainable by 3RoundStones?

19:18:01 <olyerickson1> bhyland: for now, yes

Bernadette Hyland: for now, yes

19:18:14 <olyerickson1> ... good test of callimachus

... good test of callimachus

19:18:28 <olyerickson1> ... in line with business of their company

... in line with business of their company

19:18:37 <olyerickson1> ... Also, open source project

... Also, open source project

19:19:59 <olyerickson1> sandro: point about WG taking over if for some reason 3RoundStones couldn't continue with CD

Sandro Hawke: point about WG taking over if for some reason 3RoundStones couldn't continue with CD

19:20:18 <olyerickson1> ... its in the WG charter

... its in the WG charter

19:20:48 <olyerickson1> ... aside: Callimachus is a tool intended for Web 2.0 developers

... aside: Callimachus is a tool intended for Web 2.0 developers

19:21:08 <olyerickson1> ... HTML, CSS, javascript, a little Sparql

... HTML, CSS, javascript, a little Sparql

19:21:17 <olyerickson1> ... Slide: Statistics Page

... Slide: Statistics Page

19:21:48 <olyerickson1> ... shows integration of Google Viz api

... shows integration of Google Viz api

19:22:05 <olyerickson1> ... other renderings easy

... other renderings easy

19:22:19 <olyerickson1>  Slide: Screen shot of W3C PROV WG

Slide: Screen shot of W3C PROV WG

19:22:35 <olyerickson1> ... data analytics requires knowledge of where data comes from

... data analytics requires knowledge of where data comes from

19:22:48 <olyerickson1> ... authenticity, trust, reproducability

... authenticity, trust, reproducability

19:22:59 <bhyland> Data analytics requires knowledge of where data came from.  A standard for data provenance is on its way.

Bernadette Hyland: Data analytics requires knowledge of where data came from. A standard for data provenance is on its way.

19:22:59 <bhyland> “Provenance provides a critical foundation for assessing authenticity, enabling trust, and allowing reproducibility. Provenance assertions are a form of contextual metadata and can themselves become important records with their own provenance.” - W3C Working Group

Bernadette Hyland: “Provenance provides a critical foundation for assessing authenticity, enabling trust, and allowing reproducibility. Provenance assertions are a form of contextual metadata and can themselves become important records with their own provenance.” - W3C Working Group

19:23:01 <olyerickson1> ... provenance provides content

... provenance provides context

19:23:15 <olyerickson1> s/content/context/
19:23:40 <olyerickson1> ... W3c GLD WG is about pragmatic recommendations

... W3c GLD WG is about pragmatic recommendations

19:24:18 <olyerickson1>  Slide: bhyland contact details

Slide: bhyland contact details

19:24:29 <olyerickson1>  Slide: creative Commons

Slide: creative Commons

19:25:04 <olyerickson1> bhyland: Questions?

Bernadette Hyland: Questions?

19:26:01 <olyerickson1> Daniel (switzerland): Possible to share details numbers

Daniel (switzerland): Possible to share details numbers

19:26:17 <olyerickson1> bhyland will point to Dennis Wisnosky's talk

bhyland will point to Dennis Wisnosky's talk

19:27:07 <bhyland>  Beta: http://www.w3.org/egov/directory/

Bernadette Hyland: Beta: http://www.w3.org/egov/directory/

19:27:07 <bhyland> email mailto:support@3roundstones.com for login to add your organization’s details

Bernadette Hyland: email mailto:support@3roundstones.com for login to add your organization’s details

19:27:19 <olyerickson1> PhilA: keen to play with it

Phil Archer: keen to play with it

19:30:48 <PhilA> Looking at http://directory.3roundstones.net/rdf/directory/Organization/rensselaer+polytechnic+institute/tetherless+world+constellation/+linking+open+government+data+portal?view

Phil Archer: Looking at http://directory.3roundstones.net/rdf/directory/Organization/rensselaer+polytechnic+institute/tetherless+world+constellation/+linking+open+government+data+portal?view

19:31:24 <gdick> wonders how to filter "quality" after the third star

Gannon Dick: wonders how to filter "quality" after the third star

19:31:40 <olyerickson1> olyerickson: somehow should eat the linked data dogfood more completely

John Erickson: somehow should eat the linked data dogfood more completely

19:32:04 <olyerickson1> PhilA: Will the URLs conneg to RDF?

Phil Archer: Will the URLs conneg to RDF?

19:32:11 <olyerickson1> bhyland: yes

Bernadette Hyland: yes

19:32:19 <olyerickson1> jeanne: Other types of content>

Jeanne Holm: Other types of content>

19:32:58 <olyerickson1> ... recommendations of how to include contributors of e.g. 1-start providers?

... recommendations of how to include contributors of e.g. 1-start providers?

19:33:23 <olyerickson1> bhyland: desire is to have threashold be low

Bernadette Hyland: desire is to have threashold be low

19:33:49 <olyerickson1> ... desire is not to be a data catalog, rather an addressbook

... desire is not to be a data catalog, rather an addressbook

19:34:18 <olyerickson1> ... e.g. conference organizer might use it to find speakers on particular topic

... e.g. conference organizer might use it to find speakers on particular topic

19:34:20 <gdick> smiles

Gannon Dick: smiles

19:34:37 <olyerickson1> ... "address book on steroids"

... "address book on steroids"

19:34:47 <olyerickson1> ... who's doing what

... who's doing what

19:35:05 <olyerickson1> ... consider this an open invitation

... consider this an open invitation

19:35:15 <olyerickson1> ... please provide feedback and suggestions

... please provide feedback and suggestions

19:35:27 <bhyland> Public W3C GLD WG list: W3C public GLD WG WG <public-gld-wg@w3.org>

Bernadette Hyland: Public W3C GLD WG list: W3C public GLD WG WG <public-gld-wg@w3.org>

19:35:41 <bhyland> Chairs of GLD WG: GLD Chairs <team-gld-chairs@w3.org>

Bernadette Hyland: Chairs of GLD WG: GLD Chairs <team-gld-chairs@w3.org>

19:36:38 <olyerickson1> GLD "chairs" list is for off-list issues/input to bhyland, george thomas, sandro

GLD "chairs" list is for off-list issues/input to bhyland, george thomas, sandro

19:37:05 <olyerickson1> PhilA: interesting that it's using vcard for people

Phil Archer: interesting that it's using vcard for people

19:37:15 <olyerickson1> bhyland: easy to change

Bernadette Hyland: easy to change

19:38:23 <olyerickson1> bhyland: thanks for opporunity to participate

Bernadette Hyland: thanks for opporunity to participate

19:38:35 <olyerickson1> TOPIC: Lunch

3. Lunch

19:39:19 <olyerickson1> ... W3C eGov group is now in panic about eating

... W3C eGov group is now in panic about eating

19:39:44 <bhyland> FWIW, I said there was a slide with links to the Linked Data books.  I apparently removed the slide.  Here are the links:

Bernadette Hyland: FWIW, I said there was a slide with links to the Linked Data books. I apparently removed the slide. Here are the links:

19:39:45 <bhyland> http://linkeddatabook.com/editions/1.0/

Bernadette Hyland: http://linkeddatabook.com/editions/1.0/

19:39:45 <bhyland> http://3roundstones.com/linking-enterprise-data/

Bernadette Hyland: http://3roundstones.com/linking-enterprise-data/

19:39:45 <bhyland> http://3roundstones.com/linking-enterprise-data/

Bernadette Hyland: http://3roundstones.com/linking-enterprise-data/

19:39:45 <bhyland> http://www.linkeddatadeveloper.com/

Bernadette Hyland: http://www.linkeddatadeveloper.com/

19:41:03 <olyerickson1> Agenda has been updated on the wiki

Agenda has been updated on the wiki

19:41:33 <bhyland> See http://www.w3.org/egov/wiki/F2F4#Tuesday.2C_1_November_2011

Bernadette Hyland: See http://www.w3.org/egov/wiki/F2F4#Tuesday.2C_1_November_2011

19:41:39 <bhyland> Thanks all.

Bernadette Hyland: Thanks all.

19:41:42 <bhyland> enjoy lunch.

Bernadette Hyland: enjoy lunch.

19:41:46 <PhilA> thanks Bernadette

Phil Archer: thanks Bernadette

19:41:51 <Zakim> -bhyland

Zakim IRC Bot: -bhyland

19:42:20 <bhyland> np.  thank you for putting up presentation & being my assistant ;-)

Bernadette Hyland: np. thank you for putting up presentation & being my assistant ;-)

19:43:53 <gdick> St. Francis and Mr. Spock are eating already

Gannon Dick: St. Francis and Mr. Spock are eating already

19:45:30 <Zakim> -tpac

Zakim IRC Bot: -tpac

19:47:10 <Zakim> -Sandro

Zakim IRC Bot: -Sandro

19:48:53 <Zakim> -Kevin_Simkins

Zakim IRC Bot: -Kevin_Simkins

19:48:55 <Zakim> SW_e-Gov(eGovIG)11:00AM has ended

Zakim IRC Bot: SW_e-Gov(eGovIG)11:00AM has ended

19:48:57 <Zakim> Attendees were Kevin_Simkins, bhyland, Sandro, tpac, bdhandspicker

Zakim IRC Bot: Attendees were Kevin_Simkins, bhyland, Sandro, tpac, bdhandspicker

19:50:06 <Zakim> SW_e-Gov(eGovIG)11:00AM has now started

Zakim IRC Bot: SW_e-Gov(eGovIG)11:00AM has now started

19:50:13 <Zakim> +bdhandspicker

Zakim IRC Bot: +bdhandspicker

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19:50:41 <Zakim> SW_e-Gov(eGovIG)11:00AM has ended

Zakim IRC Bot: SW_e-Gov(eGovIG)11:00AM has ended

19:50:41 <Zakim> Attendees were bdhandspicker

Zakim IRC Bot: Attendees were bdhandspicker

20:53:39 <sandro> hey Thomas, Rigo

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Sandro Hawke: hey Thomas, Rigo

20:53:52 <sandro> Not quite sure when folks are coming back from lunch,

Sandro Hawke: Not quite sure when folks are coming back from lunch,

20:59:37 <davemc> rrsagent grep minutes

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21:02:49 <Zakim> SW_e-Gov(eGovIG)11:00AM has now started

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21:02:56 <Zakim> +bhyland

Zakim IRC Bot: +bhyland

21:03:33 <bhyland> Hi all, what time are you starting up again?

Bernadette Hyland: Hi all, what time are you starting up again?

21:05:48 <Zakim> +tpac

Zakim IRC Bot: +tpac

21:05:51 <Zakim> -bhyland

Zakim IRC Bot: -bhyland

21:05:52 <Zakim> +bhyland

Zakim IRC Bot: +bhyland

21:06:16 <davemc> zakim, who is here?

Dave McAllister: zakim, who is here?

21:06:16 <Zakim> On the phone I see bhyland, tpac

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see bhyland, tpac

21:06:16 <bhyland> zakim, who is on the call?

Bernadette Hyland: zakim, who is on the call?

21:06:17 <Zakim> On IRC I see matthewy, HadleyBeeman, davemc, rigo, tlr, gdick, RRSAgent, Zakim, kevinsimkins, MacTed, bhyland, edsu, trackbot, sandro

Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see matthewy, HadleyBeeman, davemc, rigo, tlr, gdick, RRSAgent, Zakim, kevinsimkins, MacTed, bhyland, edsu, trackbot, sandro

21:06:20 <Zakim> On the phone I see bhyland, tpac

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see bhyland, tpac

21:07:28 <Zakim> +Sandro

Zakim IRC Bot: +Sandro

21:08:01 <PhilA> Today are here http://www.w3.org/egov/IG/meeting/2011-11-01

Phil Archer: Today are here http://www.w3.org/egov/IG/meeting/2011-11-01

21:08:16 <PhilA> yesterday http://www.w3.org/egov/IG/meeting/2011-10-31

Phil Archer: yesterday http://www.w3.org/egov/IG/meeting/2011-10-31

21:08:28 <davemc> davemc now scribing

Dave McAllister: davemc now scribing

21:08:55 <davemc> we have now found notes from yesterday

Dave McAllister: we have now found notes from yesterday

21:09:10 <davemc> Zakim, who is on the call?

Dave McAllister: Zakim, who is on the call?

21:09:10 <Zakim> On the phone I see bhyland, tpac, Sandro

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see bhyland, tpac, Sandro

21:09:27 <davemc> Hadley will be in an out

Dave McAllister: Hadley will be in an out

21:09:41 <davemc>  resend: Today are here http://www.w3.org/egov/IG/meeting/2011-11-01

Dave McAllister: resend: Today are here http://www.w3.org/egov/IG/meeting/2011-11-01

21:09:41 <davemc>  02:08 PhilA yesterday http://www.w3.org/egov/IG/meeting/2011-10-31

Dave McAllister: 02:08 PhilA yesterday http://www.w3.org/egov/IG/meeting/2011-10-31

21:11:05 <davemc> Jeanne hasn't heard back from Ann

Dave McAllister: Jeanne hasn't heard back from Ann

21:11:19 <davemc> Berndette also checking

Dave McAllister: Berndette also checking

21:11:52 <davemc> Jeanne: back-up plan is to have her lead discussion in next session

Jeanne Holm: back-up plan is to have her lead discussion in next session [ Scribe Assist by Dave McAllister ]

21:12:05 <davemc> s/bjeanne/Jeanne/

Dave McAllister: s/bjeanne/Jeanne/ (warning: replacement failed)

21:12:58 <davemc> Bernadette reports Anne will catch us at the next meeting

Dave McAllister: Bernadette reports Anne will catch us at the next meeting

21:13:14 <bhyland> From Anne Fitzgerald: I agree that the licensing issues are increasingly relevant and I do think that our now quite extensive experience shows that this does work with significant parts of the public sector.  The adoption of the CC licences is far preferable to each country (or State within a country) developing its own specific licence - as has been happening in the UK and throughout Europe.

Bernadette Hyland: From Anne Fitzgerald: I agree that the licensing issues are increasingly relevant and I do think that our now quite extensive experience shows that this does work with significant parts of the public sector.  The adoption of the CC licences is far preferable to each country (or State within a country) developing its own specific licence - as has been happening in the UK and throughout Europe.

21:13:14 <bhyland> Let me know if I am off the hook.  If you think that is ok, please apologise but make it clear that I would like to talk to the group sometime soon.

Bernadette Hyland: Let me know if I am off the hook.  If you think that is ok, please apologise but make it clear that I would like to talk to the group sometime soon.

21:13:26 <davemc> Bernadette reports Anne's message

Dave McAllister: Bernadette reports Anne's message

21:13:38 <PhilA> Links to the agenda are now on the wiki http://www.w3.org/egov/wiki/Main_Page#eGovernment_Interest_Group and the agenda links to the minutes (at the top of the page. Time zones mean that the minutes appear to span 3 days)

Phil Archer: Links to the agenda are now on the wiki http://www.w3.org/egov/wiki/Main_Page#eGovernment_Interest_Group and the agenda links to the minutes (at the top of the page. Time zones mean that the minutes appear to span 3 days)

21:13:47 <davemc> Jeanne: We will plan for Ann for next virtual meeting

Jeanne Holm: We will plan for Ann for next virtual meeting [ Scribe Assist by Dave McAllister ]

21:14:51 <davemc> PhilA: shows us a really cool trick for IRC scribing

Phil Archer: shows us a really cool trick for IRC scribing [ Scribe Assist by Dave McAllister ]

21:15:51 <olyerickson> +1 to Anne joining us next virtual meeting

+1 to Anne joining us next virtual meeting

21:16:22 <Jeanne> Text for upcoming slide from Jeanne: What are the components that are necessary for an open government site? Discussion Think of a way to symbolize the important components Create those from Legos Bring them to the front to share Place them with others that are like them

Jeanne Holm: Text for upcoming slide from Jeanne: What are the components that are necessary for an open government site? Discussion Think of a way to symbolize the important components Create those from Legos Bring them to the front to share Place them with others that are like them

21:16:38 <davemc> ACTION: Jeanne to arrange Anne for next meeting

ACTION: Jeanne to arrange Anne for next meeting

21:16:39 <trackbot> Created ACTION-121 - Arrange Anne for next meeting [on Jeanne Holm - due 2011-11-08].

Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-121 - Arrange Anne for next meeting [on Jeanne Holm - due 2011-11-08].

21:16:56 <davemc> Jeanne: will send slides later

Jeanne Holm: will send slides later [ Scribe Assist by Dave McAllister ]

21:17:26 <davemc> Jeanne: brainstorm sessions on creating an open gov site

Jeanne Holm: brainstorm sessions on creating an open gov site [ Scribe Assist by Dave McAllister ]

21:18:02 <davemc> Jeanne: what should/would/will/have we put into an open gov site

Jeanne Holm: what should/would/will/have we put into an open gov site [ Scribe Assist by Dave McAllister ]

21:18:34 <davemc> Jeanne: build whatever who think about

Jeanne Holm: build whatever who think about [ Scribe Assist by Dave McAllister ]

21:19:24 <davemc> Jeanne: search for images that are symbolic to show in a web site, but no servers.  Think all parts of the world

Jeanne Holm: search for images that are symbolic to show in a web site, but no servers. Think all parts of the world [ Scribe Assist by Dave McAllister ]

21:20:52 <davemc> Jeanne: 15 minutes of build, then symbology sharing

Jeanne Holm: 15 minutes of build, then symbology sharing [ Scribe Assist by Dave McAllister ]

21:21:49 <Zakim> +Kevin_Simkins

Zakim IRC Bot: +Kevin_Simkins

21:21:57 <davemc> Hi Kevin

Dave McAllister: Hi Kevin

21:24:13 <kevinsimkins> hello

Kevin Simkins: hello

21:37:26 <PhilA> http://www.w3.org/egov/wiki/F2F4

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Phil Archer: http://www.w3.org/egov/wiki/F2F4

21:42:02 <davemc> we have temp lost 2 of 4 members

Dave McAllister: we have temp lost 2 of 4 members

21:42:11 <davemc> and they are back

Dave McAllister: and they are back

21:42:53 <Jeanne> Post to the wiki or to the IRC the images

Jeanne Holm: Post to the wiki or to the IRC the images

21:47:51 <sandro> http://www.w3.org/People/Sandro/egov-images

Sandro Hawke: http://www.w3.org/People/Sandro/egov-images

21:48:34 <PhilA> sandro: Images show public spaces that have structure

Sandro Hawke: Images show public spaces that have structure [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ]

21:49:28 <Jeanne> Hacking and disparate data http://www.w3.org/egov/wiki/File:IMG00210-20111101-1437.jpg

Jeanne Holm: Hacking and disparate data http://www.w3.org/egov/wiki/File:IMG00210-20111101-1437.jpg

21:50:12 <davemc> Sandro:  these symbolize open gov. first were corridors and open ways to get places

Sandro Hawke: these symbolize open gov. first were corridors and open ways to get places [ Scribe Assist by Dave McAllister ]

21:50:33 <davemc> sandro: second are parks that mix organic and structure

Sandro Hawke: second are parks that mix organic and structure [ Scribe Assist by Dave McAllister ]

21:51:05 <davemc> Jeanne: these are great.  no hard corners

Jeanne Holm: these are great. no hard corners [ Scribe Assist by Dave McAllister ]

21:51:16 <davemc> sandro: these seems right

Sandro Hawke: these seems right [ Scribe Assist by Dave McAllister ]

21:52:40 <davemc> Jeanne: uploaded image http://www.w3.org/egov/wiki/File:IMG00210-20111101-1437.jpg

Jeanne Holm: uploaded image http://www.w3.org/egov/wiki/File:IMG00210-20111101-1437.jpg [ Scribe Assist by Dave McAllister ]

21:53:09 <davemc> Jeanne: some incomplete. some dont connect.  Discrete non-formatted data is operable

Jeanne Holm: some incomplete. some dont connect. Discrete non-formatted data is operable [ Scribe Assist by Dave McAllister ]

21:54:02 <davemc> Jeanne: superhero model with flame. doing radical things may hurt/help the effort

Jeanne Holm: superhero model with flame. doing radical things may hurt/help the effort [ Scribe Assist by Dave McAllister ]

21:54:17 <davemc> Jeanne: hackers with good intentions but prolematic

Jeanne Holm: hackers with good intentions but prolematic [ Scribe Assist by Dave McAllister ]

21:54:46 <davemc> Jeanne: collaborative model web. It is under development and cool

Jeanne Holm: collaborative model web. It is under development and cool [ Scribe Assist by Dave McAllister ]

21:55:17 <davemc> Jeanne: next is bird on alligator, different agendas different policies mixing

Jeanne Holm: next is bird on alligator, different agendas different policies mixing [ Scribe Assist by Dave McAllister ]

21:55:34 <davemc> Jeanne: shield and spear to symbolize security needs

Jeanne Holm: shield and spear to symbolize security needs [ Scribe Assist by Dave McAllister ]

21:55:55 <Zakim> +bdhandspicker

Zakim IRC Bot: +bdhandspicker

21:56:08 <davemc> Welcome Brian

Dave McAllister: Welcome Brian

21:57:03 <davemc> PhilA: describing what we have been doing: building lego models and/or images that represent an open gov data portal should include

Phil Archer: describing what we have been doing: building lego models and/or images that represent an open gov data portal should include [ Scribe Assist by Dave McAllister ]

21:57:16 <Jeanne> http://www.w3.org/egov/wiki/File:IMG00211-20111101-1438.jpg

Jeanne Holm: http://www.w3.org/egov/wiki/File:IMG00211-20111101-1438.jpg

21:59:16 <davemc> Jeanne: will mail Kevins file around due to slow upload

Jeanne Holm: will mail Kevins file around due to slow upload [ Scribe Assist by Dave McAllister ]

21:59:26 <bhyland> The history of Lego is worth noting … started in Denmark in 1916 in Denmark.  By 1949 the Lego Group began producing similar bricks, calling them "Automatic Binding Bricks." Lego bricks, then manufactured from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cellulose_acetate, were developed in the spirit of traditional wooden blocks that could be stacked upon one another but could be "locked" together. They had several round "studs" on top, and a hollow rectangular bottom. Th

Bernadette Hyland: The history of Lego is worth noting … started in Denmark in 1916 in Denmark. By 1949 the Lego Group began producing similar bricks, calling them "Automatic Binding Bricks." Lego bricks, then manufactured from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cellulose_acetate, were developed in the spirit of traditional wooden blocks that could be stacked upon one another but could be "locked" together. They had several round "studs" on top, and a hollow rectangular bottom. Th

21:59:44 <bhyland> In effect, a standard was born for interoperability.

Bernadette Hyland: In effect, a standard was born for interoperability.

22:00:22 <bhyland> In August 1988, 38 children from 17 different countries took part in the first Lego World Cup building contest, held in Billund. That same year, Lego Canada was established.

Bernadette Hyland: In August 1988, 38 children from 17 different countries took part in the first Lego World Cup building contest, held in Billund. That same year, Lego Canada was established.

22:00:36 <bhyland> In fact, one could say that where Lego has been, the Web is going :-)

Bernadette Hyland: In fact, one could say that where Lego has been, the Web is going :-)

22:00:39 <davemc> kevinsimkins: collaboration toolrooms.  peer to peer, some 3d images

Kevin Simkins: collaboration toolrooms. peer to peer, some 3d images [ Scribe Assist by Dave McAllister ]

22:00:51 <bhyland> The above content from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Lego

Bernadette Hyland: The above content from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Lego

22:01:03 <davemc> kevinsimkins: one pic hs colalboration, has models, vidoeo, messaging

Kevin Simkins: one pic hs colalboration, has models, vidoeo, messaging [ Scribe Assist by Dave McAllister ]

22:02:41 <davemc> brian: notes his data is often specific and personal.  very specific needs to pull together

Brian Handspicker: notes his data is often specific and personal. very specific needs to pull together [ Scribe Assist by Dave McAllister ]

22:03:26 <davemc> bhyland: congrats Brian on progress made by NY

Bernadette Hyland: congrats Brian on progress made by NY [ Scribe Assist by Dave McAllister ]

22:03:48 <davemc> brian:  working on just getting stuff out of disparate database

Brian Handspicker: working on just getting stuff out of disparate database [ Scribe Assist by Dave McAllister ]

22:04:47 <davemc> bhyland: not all data is 4, 5 star, nor needs to be.

Bernadette Hyland: not all data is 4, 5 star, nor needs to be. [ Scribe Assist by Dave McAllister ]

22:04:57 <davemc> Brian: just working on getting 1 star

Brian Handspicker: just working on getting 1 star [ Scribe Assist by Dave McAllister ]

22:05:20 <davemc> PhilA: sensitive info on kids?

Phil Archer: sensitive info on kids? [ Scribe Assist by Dave McAllister ]

22:05:43 <davemc> Brian: works for child services.  All types of services, all types of data

Brian Handspicker: works for child services. All types of services, all types of data [ Scribe Assist by Dave McAllister ]

22:06:26 <davemc> PhilA: interested in Brians use case

Phil Archer: interested in Brians use case [ Scribe Assist by Dave McAllister ]

22:07:14 <davemc> zakim, who is here?

Dave McAllister: zakim, who is here?

22:07:17 <Zakim> On the phone I see bhyland, tpac, Sandro, Kevin_Simkins, bdhandspicker

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see bhyland, tpac, Sandro, Kevin_Simkins, bdhandspicker

22:07:18 <Zakim> On IRC I see davemc, chsiao, Jeanne, PhilA, matthewy, HadleyBeeman, rigo, tlr, gdick, RRSAgent, Zakim, kevinsimkins, bhyland, edsu, trackbot, sandro

Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see davemc, chsiao, Jeanne, PhilA, matthewy, HadleyBeeman, rigo, tlr, gdick, RRSAgent, Zakim, kevinsimkins, bhyland, edsu, trackbot, sandro

22:08:00 <Jeanne> http://www.w3.org/egov/wiki/File:IMG00214-20111101-1440.jpg from Phil Archer

Jeanne Holm: http://www.w3.org/egov/wiki/File:IMG00214-20111101-1440.jpg from Phil Archer

22:08:23 <gdick> thinks send searchers to the PII namespace http://purl.org/pii/terms/ and let them run around

Gannon Dick: thinks send searchers to the PII namespace http://purl.org/pii/terms/ and let them run around

22:08:35 <davemc> PhilA: very solid base. in terms of portal. needs strong platform

Phil Archer: very solid base. in terms of portal. needs strong platform [ Scribe Assist by Dave McAllister ]

22:08:52 <davemc> PhilA: corridor for good navigation, to lead to goal.

Phil Archer: corridor for good navigation, to lead to goal. [ Scribe Assist by Dave McAllister ]

22:09:07 <davemc> PhilA: but has paths to explore.

Phil Archer: but has paths to explore. [ Scribe Assist by Dave McAllister ]

22:09:48 <Jeanne> http://www.w3.org/egov/wiki/File:IMG00216-20111101-1505.jpg from DaveMc

Jeanne Holm: http://www.w3.org/egov/wiki/File:IMG00216-20111101-1505.jpg from DaveMc

22:10:05 <davemc> PhilA: there is a guide, apolitical guide, even in transition. headless to allow the user to lead

Phil Archer: there is a guide, apolitical guide, even in transition. headless to allow the user to lead [ Scribe Assist by Dave McAllister ]

22:10:22 <davemc> PhilA: lots of things that move to indicate apps

Phil Archer: lots of things that move to indicate apps [ Scribe Assist by Dave McAllister ]

22:10:36 <davemc> PhilA: also offers video, multimedia

Phil Archer: also offers video, multimedia [ Scribe Assist by Dave McAllister ]

22:10:44 <Jeanne> http://www.w3.org/egov/wiki/File:IMG00215-20111101-1503.jpg from John Erickson

Jeanne Holm: http://www.w3.org/egov/wiki/File:IMG00215-20111101-1503.jpg from John Erickson

22:10:54 <davemc> PhilA: prize for sustainable cool outcome

Phil Archer: prize for sustainable cool outcome [ Scribe Assist by Dave McAllister ]

22:11:10 <davemc> PhilA: transparent

Phil Archer: transparent [ Scribe Assist by Dave McAllister ]

22:11:37 <davemc> PhilA missing piece is a  the tower of blocks to represent the linked data can bring to the world

Dave McAllister: PhilA missing piece is a the tower of blocks to represent the linked data can bring to the world

22:11:59 <bhyland> q+ I have some lego pics uploaded ...

Bernadette Hyland: q+ I have some lego pics uploaded ...

22:12:14 <davemc> john: looks like a factory, combo of different people

John Erickson: looks like a factory, combo of different people [ Scribe Assist by Dave McAllister ]

22:12:38 <davemc> john: one is robotic, industrial strength linked data

John Erickson: one is robotic, industrial strength linked data [ Scribe Assist by Dave McAllister ]

22:13:14 <davemc> john: has targets, automated conversion.  web and spiders to find/provide data

John Erickson: has targets, automated conversion. web and spiders to find/provide data [ Scribe Assist by Dave McAllister ]

22:13:51 <davemc> john: guided conversion from the Wizard.  the semantification of the content

John Erickson: guided conversion from the Wizard. the semantification of the content [ Scribe Assist by Dave McAllister ]

22:14:19 <davemc> john: automation workflow semantic to automated via guided models

John Erickson: automation workflow semantic to automated via guided models [ Scribe Assist by Dave McAllister ]

22:14:40 <davemc> john: last guy represents quality control.  however it is done

John Erickson: last guy represents quality control. however it is done [ Scribe Assist by Dave McAllister ]

22:14:51 <bhyland> olyerickson: It takes careful consideration to "semantify" content.  Edward Scissorhands doing automated semantication… but quality control is necessary.  In RPI's experience, they do unit testing.

John Erickson: It takes careful consideration to "semantify" content. Edward Scissorhands doing automated semantication… but quality control is necessary. In RPI's experience, they do unit testing. [ Scribe Assist by Bernadette Hyland ]

22:15:13 <bhyland> olyerickson: "It's not magic.  It takes time to do it right."

John Erickson: "It's not magic. It takes time to do it right." [ Scribe Assist by Bernadette Hyland ]

22:15:16 <davemc> john: doing LD right is  not magic, just takes time to do in production

John Erickson: doing LD right is not magic, just takes time to do in production [ Scribe Assist by Dave McAllister ]

22:15:22 <Zakim> -bdhandspicker

Zakim IRC Bot: -bdhandspicker

22:15:48 <PhilA> davemc: Mine is small. We have to deliver on any environment

Dave McAllister: Mine is small. We have to deliver on any environment [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ]

22:15:56 <PhilA> ... lots of elements built on what we have now

Phil Archer: ... lots of elements built on what we have now

22:16:09 <PhilA> ... there's a bridge between IT and the people

Phil Archer: ... there's a bridge between IT and the people

22:16:19 <bhyland> no image to go with this commentary?

Bernadette Hyland: no image to go with this commentary?

22:16:23 <PhilA> ... there are steps and ramps. It has to be built bit by bit

Phil Archer: ... there are steps and ramps. It has to be built bit by bit

22:17:04 <PhilA> davemc: http://www.w3.org/egov/wiki/File:IMG00216-20111101-1505.jpg

Dave McAllister: http://www.w3.org/egov/wiki/File:IMG00216-20111101-1505.jpg [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ]

22:17:20 <PhilA> davemc:  inter connected is OK but we need guidance

Dave McAllister: inter connected is OK but we need guidance [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ]

22:17:38 <PhilA> ... quite often we need to translate. The language we speak is understood by no one

Phil Archer: ... quite often we need to translate. The language we speak is understood by no one

22:17:49 <Zakim> +sandro.a

Zakim IRC Bot: +sandro.a

22:17:58 <PhilA> ... last guy is a geek. He has a tie and a propeller on his head. Someone has to actually do the work

Phil Archer: ... last guy is a geek. He has a tie and a propeller on his head. Someone has to actually do the work

22:18:20 <PhilA> ... last element is a remote arm that goes off and fetches things from wherever - unstructured

Phil Archer: ... last element is a remote arm that goes off and fetches things from wherever - unstructured

22:18:26 <bhyland> got it. I will note with my GLD WG hat on … this is not 4 star linked data … nothing links to it, not even the wiki home page :-( "No pages link to http://www.w3.org/egov/wiki/File:IMG00216-20111101-1505.jpg.

Bernadette Hyland: got it. I will note with my GLD WG hat on … this is not 4 star linked data … nothing links to it, not even the wiki home page :-( "No pages link to http://www.w3.org/egov/wiki/File:IMG00216-20111101-1505.jpg.

22:18:26 <bhyland> "

Bernadette Hyland: "

22:18:39 <PhilA> Jeanne: I forgot a piece with multiple flags to represent internationalisation

Jeanne Holm: I forgot a piece with multiple flags to represent internationalisation [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ]

22:18:58 <bhyland> Lego has been used as a metaphor in presentations by several prominent advocates of semantic technology.

Bernadette Hyland: Lego has been used as a metaphor in presentations by several prominent advocates of semantic technology.

22:18:59 <bhyland> Lego is a beautiful example of infinite interoperability because it is based on a standard interface.

Bernadette Hyland: Lego is a beautiful example of infinite interoperability because it is based on a standard interface.

22:18:59 <bhyland> Some examples from my basement created by my son who turns 14 years old today.

Bernadette Hyland: Some examples from my basement created by my son who turns 14 years old today.

22:19:01 <bhyland> http://www.w3.org/egov/wiki/File:AMH_Lego_castle_and_town.jpg

Bernadette Hyland: http://www.w3.org/egov/wiki/File:AMH_Lego_castle_and_town.jpg

22:19:05 <bhyland> http://www.w3.org/egov/wiki/File:AMH_Lego_turret.jpg

Bernadette Hyland: http://www.w3.org/egov/wiki/File:AMH_Lego_turret.jpg

22:19:09 <bhyland> http://www.w3.org/egov/wiki/File:AMH_Lego_mixed_food_table.jpg

Bernadette Hyland: http://www.w3.org/egov/wiki/File:AMH_Lego_mixed_food_table.jpg

22:20:31 <Zakim> -Sandro

Zakim IRC Bot: -Sandro

22:20:59 <davemc> bhyland describing lego pics created by her son

Dave McAllister: bhyland describing lego pics created by her son

22:21:36 <davemc> bhyland: "if everybody cooperates and shoots in the same direction, it's an unstoppable force" bhyland son

Bernadette Hyland: "if everybody cooperates and shoots in the same direction, it's an unstoppable force" bhyland son [ Scribe Assist by Dave McAllister ]

22:21:58 <davemc> bhyland: mixed date interoperable:  unending lego sets intermixed

Bernadette Hyland: mixed date interoperable: unending lego sets intermixed [ Scribe Assist by Dave McAllister ]

22:22:53 <davemc> bhyland: as long as the pieces are all the same interop, they all fit together.  There are similarities to open data

Bernadette Hyland: as long as the pieces are all the same interop, they all fit together. There are similarities to open data [ Scribe Assist by Dave McAllister ]

22:23:35 <davemc> bhyland : humble URI == legos

Dave McAllister: bhyland : humble URI == lego "Automatic Binding Bricks" and tight tolerance to get the famously satisfying "click" sound.

22:23:54 <Jeanne> Impressed by Bernadette analogies, her son's amazing Lego skills, and the cleanliness of her home!

Jeanne Holm: Impressed by Bernadette analogies, her son's amazing Lego skills, and the cleanliness of her home!

22:24:05 <davemc> bhyland: lego world competition == hackathon

Bernadette Hyland: lego world competition == hackathon [ Scribe Assist by Dave McAllister ]

22:24:22 <davemc> bhyland where lego has been, the web is going

Dave McAllister: bhyland where lego has been, the web is going

22:25:27 <davemc> john: lego is investing in community, and following community. fostering open source via Mindstorm. LD needs to grow and foster community

John Erickson: lego is investing in community, and following community. fostering open source via Mindstorm. LD needs to grow and foster community [ Scribe Assist by Dave McAllister ]

22:25:30 <bhyland> s/humble URI == legos/humble URI == lego "Automatic Binding Bricks" and tight tolerance to get the famously satisfying "click" sound.
22:26:45 <davemc> john: if lego was just separate things. it wouldn't be as cool. Fitting it together things new ways is to cool stuff

John Erickson: if lego was just separate things. it wouldn't be as cool. Fitting it together things new ways is to cool stuff [ Scribe Assist by Dave McAllister ]

22:27:26 <davemc> john: building communities are important to Lego.  Communities evangelize the world and make it grow.  GLD needs similar

John Erickson: building communities are important to Lego. Communities evangelize the world and make it grow. GLD needs similar [ Scribe Assist by Dave McAllister ]

22:27:30 <bhyland> olyerickson: If all Lego was a bunch of special interest components, it wouldn't  have penetrated the imagination of children & adults globally (I paraphrase).  In the Gov't Linked Data world, it is important to capture the imagination (evangelize).

John Erickson: If all Lego was a bunch of special interest components, it wouldn't have penetrated the imagination of children & adults globally (I paraphrase). In the Gov't Linked Data world, it is important to capture the imagination (evangelize). [ Scribe Assist by Bernadette Hyland ]

22:28:07 <davemc> Jeanne: appreciates the willingness to approach things differently.  (applause)

Jeanne Holm: appreciates the willingness to approach things differently. (applause) [ Scribe Assist by Dave McAllister ]

22:28:12 <Jeanne> Questionnaire is to share facts and figures, insights and lessons learned between open data portal managers

Jeanne Holm: Questionnaire is to share facts and figures, insights and lessons learned between open data portal managers

22:28:26 <Jeanne> Questionnaire https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/viewform?formkey=dGVwNXM3T3FxRzRrN3cyRTFaaURYblE6MQ

Jeanne Holm: Questionnaire https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/viewform?formkey=dGVwNXM3T3FxRzRrN3cyRTFaaURYblE6MQ

22:28:49 <davemc> Jeanne: posting to the wiki; the open data portal mgmt questionnaire

Jeanne Holm: posting to the wiki; the open data portal mgmt questionnaire [ Scribe Assist by Dave McAllister ]

22:29:08 <davemc> Jeanne: survey into state of practice

Jeanne Holm: survey into state of practice [ Scribe Assist by Dave McAllister ]

22:29:48 <davemc> Jeanne: response will help give us real-world data.

Jeanne Holm: response will help give us real-world data. [ Scribe Assist by Dave McAllister ]

22:30:12 <davemc> Jeanne: questionnaire is still work in progress, but finalizing soon

Jeanne Holm: questionnaire is still work in progress, but finalizing soon [ Scribe Assist by Dave McAllister ]

22:30:58 <davemc> john: where will it go?

John Erickson: where will it go? [ Scribe Assist by Dave McAllister ]

22:31:26 <davemc> Jeanne: lots of places.  organic growth and spread.

Jeanne Holm: lots of places. organic growth and spread. [ Scribe Assist by Dave McAllister ]

22:31:43 <davemc> Jeanne education and outreach is next, after 5 minute break

Dave McAllister: Jeanne education and outreach is next, after 5 minute break

22:32:31 <Jeanne> For next discussion on Education and Outreach...

Jeanne Holm: For next discussion on Education and Outreach...

22:32:32 <Jeanne> What are the best no-cost/low-cost ways to:

Jeanne Holm: What are the best no-cost/low-cost ways to:

22:32:40 <Jeanne> Initiate government and public interest in an open data site?

Jeanne Holm: Initiate government and public interest in an open data site?

22:32:46 <Jeanne> nerate interest in an existing open data site?

Jeanne Holm: nerate interest in an existing open data site?

22:32:52 <Jeanne> Generate interest in an existing open data site?

Jeanne Holm: Generate interest in an existing open data site?

22:32:58 <Jeanne> Engage with developers?

Jeanne Holm: Engage with developers?

22:33:05 <Jeanne> Communicate to the public about open data?

Jeanne Holm: Communicate to the public about open data?

22:33:10 <Jeanne> Find and identify apps and uses of open data?

Jeanne Holm: Find and identify apps and uses of open data?

22:33:45 <Zakim> +bdhandspicker

Zakim IRC Bot: +bdhandspicker

22:41:16 <Jeanne> Li Ding worked as a research scientist at RPI and asked that we let people know about http://tw.rpi.edu/ogk2011

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Jeanne Holm: Li Ding worked as a research scientist at RPI and asked that we let people know about http://tw.rpi.edu/ogk2011

22:42:04 <PhilA> scribe: Phila

(Scribe set to Phil Archer)

22:42:14 <PhilA> Topic: Education & Outreach

4. Education & Outreach

22:42:25 <Jeanne> Social Business Jam at W3C next week:  http://www.w3.org/2011/socialbusiness-jam/

Jeanne Holm: Social Business Jam at W3C next week: http://www.w3.org/2011/socialbusiness-jam/

22:42:58 <PhilA> John: I wanted to revisit what I showed yesterday... how to convert and publish gov data as LD

John Erickson: I wanted to revisit what I showed yesterday... how to convert and publish gov data as LD

22:43:23 <PhilA> ... we've been serving as an educators doing mashathons in DC etc.

... we've been serving as an educators doing mashathons in DC etc.

22:43:45 <PhilA> ... also make sure that our portal is an education instrument unto itself

... also make sure that our portal is an education instrument unto itself

22:43:55 <PhilA> ... we have a variety of tutorials and demos

... we have a variety of tutorials and demos

22:44:00 <PhilA> ... cross linked to tutorials

... cross linked to tutorials

22:44:14 <PhilA> ... lots of examples of queries one could use against our SPARQL endpoint

... lots of examples of queries one could use against our SPARQL endpoint

22:44:38 <PhilA> ... trying to show the kind of examples that the community needs

... trying to show the kind of examples that the community needs

22:44:52 <davemc> pointer from John is http://logd.tw.rpi.edu/

Dave McAllister: pointer from John is http://logd.tw.rpi.edu/

22:45:28 <PhilA> John: At this point - yes we need tools to reach different stakeholder

John Erickson: At this point - yes we need tools to reach different stakeholder

22:45:34 <PhilA> ... yes we need professionals doing gthe work

... yes we need professionals doing gthe work

22:45:40 <PhilA> ... we need the eductaional materials

... we need the eductaional materials

22:45:53 <PhilA> ... the books that Dave Wood and co have produced are good of course

... the books that Dave Wood and co have produced are good of course

22:46:04 <PhilA> ... we need thing that people can tweak and break etc

... we need thing that people can tweak and break etc

22:46:18 <PhilA> ... need to provide the resources that people can use as templates and apply

... need to provide the resources that people can use as templates and apply

22:46:26 <PhilA> ... also have to get out and do the evangelism still

... also have to get out and do the evangelism still

22:46:56 <PhilA> ... I want to put our example out there and then talk about other examples that we know about

... I want to put our example out there and then talk about other examples that we know about

22:47:12 <PhilA> ... there are LD camps, hackathons, meetups etc

... there are LD camps, hackathons, meetups etc

22:47:19 <PhilA> can we make a laundry list of things we need

can we make a laundry list of things we need

22:47:50 <PhilA> olyerickson: as part of our efforts we've been asked to potentially go abroad next year to help 'a country' bootstrap its work

John Erickson: as part of our efforts we've been asked to potentially go abroad next year to help 'a country' bootstrap its work

22:48:07 <PhilA> ... there's an intersection between a govt and pro players and the educational community

... there's an intersection between a govt and pro players and the educational community

22:48:21 <PhilA> ... it's about this pub/priv partnership

... it's about this pub/priv partnership

22:48:26 <davemc> +1 to comment on public-private partnership

Dave McAllister: +1 to comment on public-private partnership

22:48:52 <olyerickson> PhilA: can offer some perspectives on that

Phil Archer: can offer some perspectives on that [ Scribe Assist by John Erickson ]

22:49:04 <PhilA> PhilA:  Can I draw your attention tohttp://w3techcourses.com/

Phil Archer: Can I draw your attention tohttp://w3techcourses.com/

22:49:10 <PhilA> PhilA:  Can I draw your attention to http://w3techcourses.com/

Phil Archer: Can I draw your attention to http://w3techcourses.com/

22:49:58 <davemc> zakim, who is here?

Dave McAllister: zakim, who is here?

22:49:58 <Zakim> On the phone I see bhyland, tpac, Kevin_Simkins, Sandro, bdhandspicker

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see bhyland, tpac, Kevin_Simkins, Sandro, bdhandspicker

22:49:59 <Zakim> On IRC I see olyerickson, davemc, chsiao, Jeanne, PhilA, rigo, RRSAgent, Zakim, kevinsimkins, bhyland, edsu, trackbot, sandro

Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see olyerickson, davemc, chsiao, Jeanne, PhilA, rigo, RRSAgent, Zakim, kevinsimkins, bhyland, edsu, trackbot, sandro

22:52:12 <PhilA> http://www.w3techcourses.com/course/view.php?id=6

http://www.w3techcourses.com/course/view.php?id=6

22:52:47 <olyerickson> PhilA showing example of w3c mobile web course

John Erickson: PhilA showing example of w3c mobile web course

22:52:56 <davemc> PhilA: talking about online courses

Phil Archer: talking about online courses [ Scribe Assist by Dave McAllister ]

22:57:55 <davemc> PhilA: do we want a GLD type course

Phil Archer: do we want a GLD type course [ Scribe Assist by Dave McAllister ]

22:58:12 <davemc> bhyland: probably (longer discussions)

Bernadette Hyland: probably (longer discussions) [ Scribe Assist by Dave McAllister ]

22:58:59 <davemc> olyerickson: we need easier access, the burden must not be harder than blogging, and data similar

John Erickson: we need easier access, the burden must not be harder than blogging, and data similar [ Scribe Assist by Dave McAllister ]

22:59:09 <davemc> olyerickson: cn't require a server

John Erickson: cn't require a server [ Scribe Assist by Dave McAllister ]

22:59:56 <davemc> bhyland: we agree.  must be as easy as blogging. requires push up for data or app

Bernadette Hyland: we agree. must be as easy as blogging. requires push up for data or app [ Scribe Assist by Dave McAllister ]

23:00:36 <davemc> olyerickson: advice given to undergrads that they steer to blogging sites that allow mash ups

John Erickson: advice given to undergrads that they steer to blogging sites that allow mash ups [ Scribe Assist by Dave McAllister ]

23:00:58 <davemc> PhilA: this is a deeper off line conversation

Phil Archer: this is a deeper off line conversation [ Scribe Assist by Dave McAllister ]

23:02:16 <davemc> PhilA: lots of online courses, but has great item is the discussion forums.  The question students ask is how to keep the connections alive

Phil Archer: lots of online courses, but has great item is the discussion forums. The question students ask is how to keep the connections alive [ Scribe Assist by Dave McAllister ]

23:02:56 <davemc> PhilA: discussing course items.  Big item is how do we keep the community alive

Phil Archer: discussing course items. Big item is how do we keep the community alive [ Scribe Assist by Dave McAllister ]

23:04:03 <Zakim> -bdhandspicker

Zakim IRC Bot: -bdhandspicker

23:04:14 <davemc> olyerickson: hackathons similarly need preservation of artifacts. how do we preserve the unique builds?

John Erickson: hackathons similarly need preservation of artifacts. how do we preserve the unique builds? [ Scribe Assist by Dave McAllister ]

23:05:10 <davemc> PhilA: amazing how many web devs have no web presence

Phil Archer: amazing how many web devs have no web presence [ Scribe Assist by Dave McAllister ]

23:06:17 <PhilA> davemc: setting up a forum is a piece of cake

Dave McAllister: setting up a forum is a piece of cake

23:06:33 <PhilA> davemc: if you want a space to stor/share code - ask github

Dave McAllister: if you want a space to stor/share code - ask github

23:07:09 <PhilA> davemc: same thing in real world classes - you need somewhere to build the community

Dave McAllister: same thing in real world classes - you need somewhere to build the community

23:08:06 <PhilA> olyerickson: including a doscussion with the project is important as that itseld becomes educational

John Erickson: including a doscussion with the project is important as that itseld becomes educational

23:08:23 <PhilA> olyerickson: hosting cool javascript apps is easy cf. linked data hosting

John Erickson: hosting cool javascript apps is easy cf. linked data hosting

23:10:01 <PhilA> olyerickson: what I don't want to lose touch with is all the aother stuff like the community directory that bhyland was showing us

John Erickson: what I don't want to lose touch with is all the aother stuff like the community directory that bhyland was showing us

23:10:11 <PhilA> ... we need a livign breathing hub of the community

... we need a livign breathing hub of the community

23:10:28 <PhilA> ... needs instructors, experts of licensing etc.

... needs instructors, experts of licensing etc.

23:10:42 <PhilA> davemc: that's a status achievement model

Dave McAllister: that's a status achievement model

23:11:00 <olyerickson> q+

John Erickson: q+

23:11:03 <PhilA> ... you get the licensing guru, the SPARQL guru etc

... you get the licensing guru, the SPARQL guru etc

23:11:30 <PhilA> davemc: Look at ADC. Something like 6 million members. But is' not open

Dave McAllister: Look at ADC. Something like 6 million members. But is' not open

23:11:40 <PhilA> ... it's where you go to reach the people

... it's where you go to reach the people

23:11:57 <PhilA> ... dunno what the modern version of slashdot it

... dunno what the modern version of slashdot it

23:12:17 <PhilA> ... we have about 3 people who run the 6 million community of 6 million

... we have about 3 people who run the 6 million community of 6 million

23:12:26 <PhilA> ack olyerickson

ack olyerickson

23:12:41 <PhilA> olyerickson: you need to have someone that is fired if the community doesn't form

John Erickson: you need to have someone that is fired if the community doesn't form

23:13:02 <PhilA> davemc: Adobe always have evangelists who see themselves as members of the community

Dave McAllister: Adobe always have evangelists who see themselves as members of the community

23:13:26 <kevinsimkins> Stage 3D, previously codenamed "Molehill," is a new method/model of 2D and 3D rendering developed by Adobe and supported with a new Stage3D API—a set of low-level GPU-accelerated APIs enabling advanced 2D and 3D capabilities across multiple screens and devices

Kevin Simkins: Stage 3D, previously codenamed "Molehill," is a new method/model of 2D and 3D rendering developed by Adobe and supported with a new Stage3D API—a set of low-level GPU-accelerated APIs enabling advanced 2D and 3D capabilities across multiple screens and devices

23:13:27 <Jeanne> Slides for upcoming discussion:  http://www.w3.org/egov/wiki/File:W3C_eGov_3.pptx

Jeanne Holm: Slides for upcoming discussion: http://www.w3.org/egov/wiki/File:W3C_eGov_3.pptx

23:13:30 <PhilA> olyerickson: We've all been part of this LD discussion. It's a noisy and unreliable source

John Erickson: We've all been part of this LD discussion. It's a noisy and unreliable source

23:13:48 <PhilA> olyerickson: it's not a great way to get a problem solves, especially if you're a newbie

John Erickson: it's not a great way to get a problem solves, especially if you're a newbie

23:14:30 <kevinsimkins> These Adobe driven APIs provide advanced 2D and 3D developers with the flexibility to leverage GPU hardware acceleration for significant performance gains.

Kevin Simkins: These Adobe driven APIs provide advanced 2D and 3D developers with the flexibility to leverage GPU hardware acceleration for significant performance gains.

23:14:45 <PhilA> davemc: need to know the problem we're trying to solve

Dave McAllister: need to know the problem we're trying to solve

23:15:24 <PhilA> bhyland: the value proposition is that developers can readily merge datasets from multiple datasets

Bernadette Hyland: the value proposition is that developers can readily merge datasets from multiple datasets

23:15:33 <PhilA> davemc: that's the solution. What's the problem

Dave McAllister: that's the solution. What's the problem

23:15:59 <Jeanne> ACTION: Jeanne to invite data journalists to the group

ACTION: Jeanne to invite data journalists to the group

23:15:59 <trackbot> Created ACTION-122 - Invite data journalists to the group [on Jeanne Holm - due 2011-11-08].

Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-122 - Invite data journalists to the group [on Jeanne Holm - due 2011-11-08].

23:16:05 <PhilA> bhyland: well the problem is if the data is in different formats with no common key etc. if you work with properly modelled datasets you can take datasets and merge them

Bernadette Hyland: well the problem is if the data is in different formats with no common key etc. if you work with properly modelled datasets you can take datasets and merge them

23:16:20 <PhilA> davemc: again, that's a solution...

Dave McAllister: again, that's a solution...

23:16:47 <PhilA> davemc: Apple says I want to build a really cool music player

Dave McAllister: Apple says I want to build a really cool music player

23:16:56 <PhilA> ... Ives says it mustn't have more than 4 buttons

... Ives says it mustn't have more than 4 buttons

23:17:47 <PhilA> bhyland: I'd say that as a dev being able to merge the data is a solution to a real problem

Bernadette Hyland: I'd say that as a dev being able to merge the data is a solution to a real problem

23:18:10 <PhilA> davemc: I need problems like why do I even need to merge the data. What's the app

Dave McAllister: I need problems like why do I even need to merge the data. What's the app

23:18:45 <Jeanne> Hadley--we are just ready to start that.  Joining us?

Jeanne Holm: Hadley--we are just ready to start that. Joining us?

23:18:55 <HadleyBeeman> Yep, I"m on my way.

Hadley Beeman: Yep, I"m on my way.

23:19:08 <PhilA> bhyland: So here's the problem. A senator wrote to several agencies asking them to get together so they could find out why there appeared to be a helth issue around a brownfield site

Bernadette Hyland: So here's the problem. A senator wrote to several agencies asking them to get together so they could find out why there appeared to be a helth issue around a brownfield site

23:19:25 <PhilA> davemc: that's a real problem

Dave McAllister: that's a real problem

23:20:01 <PhilA> bhyland: I think there are many real world problems that can be solved more easily given the availability of the data in a common format

Bernadette Hyland: I think there are many real world problems that can be solved more easily given the availability of the data in a common format

23:20:28 <PhilA> olyerickson: The kind of problem that outreach needs to master is...

John Erickson: The kind of problem that outreach needs to master is...

23:20:47 <PhilA> ... imagine a very agile developer, such as Matthew Bloch of the NYTimes

... imagine a very agile developer, such as Matthew Bloch of the NYTimes

23:21:11 <PhilA> ... he's one of a small team of contract developers that uses a variety of gov data but they don't use LD

... he's one of a small team of contract developers that uses a variety of gov data but they don't use LD

23:21:33 <PhilA> ... we could probably help people like that

... we could probably help people like that

23:22:39 <PhilA> Jeanne: can we reach a conclusion?

Jeanne Holm: can we reach a conclusion?

23:22:55 <PhilA> olyerickson: This has been good. Training is interesting

John Erickson: This has been good. Training is interesting

23:23:29 <PhilA> ... we need to move forward. See how we can get the tutorials re-purposed. How can we leverage those.

... we need to move forward. See how we can get the tutorials re-purposed. How can we leverage those.

23:23:50 <PhilA> ... secondly, there's an issue of resources. LD needs hosting of data

... secondly, there's an issue of resources. LD needs hosting of data

23:24:03 <PhilA> ... poss hosting of applications, in browser tricks

... poss hosting of applications, in browser tricks

23:24:04 <Jeanne> Also see some of the education pieces we are pulling together for at Data.gov: http://www.data.gov/story/datagov-in-the-classroom

Jeanne Holm: Also see some of the education pieces we are pulling together for at Data.gov: http://www.data.gov/story/datagov-in-the-classroom

23:24:46 <PhilA> ... thirdly, the value of the Mobile Web course is the forum ..> the persistence of artefacts etc

... thirdly, the value of the Mobile Web course is the forum ..> the persistence of artefacts etc

23:25:06 <PhilA> Jeanne: showing page from data.gov

Jeanne Holm: showing page from data.gov

23:25:16 <PhilA> ... I'm not just thinking of formal education

... I'm not just thinking of formal education

23:25:29 <PhilA> ... page shows universities using data.gov, exemplars etc.

... page shows universities using data.gov, exemplars etc.

23:25:50 <PhilA> ... I was talking to a uni whose students are doing mashups on data.gov this week

... I was talking to a uni whose students are doing mashups on data.gov this week

23:26:39 <PhilA> ... we've tried to put some pieces together. Working with agencies that do outreach

... we've tried to put some pieces together. Working with agencies that do outreach

23:27:17 <bhyland> I recorded the memorable open gov't portal exercise, see http://www.w3.org/egov/wiki/F2F4-Lego-Modeling

Bernadette Hyland: I recorded the memorable open gov't portal exercise, see http://www.w3.org/egov/wiki/F2F4-Lego-Modeling

23:27:44 <PhilA> Jeanne: One thing to cover that has come up here and before - use cases x 3

Jeanne Holm: One thing to cover that has come up here and before - use cases x 3

23:27:45 <bhyland> I just couldn't leave those priceless comments & Lego configurations without *linking* to them :-)

Bernadette Hyland: I just couldn't leave those priceless comments & Lego configurations without *linking* to them :-)

23:28:16 <PhilA> Jeanne: we may leverage the directory... if there were artifacts and use cases, can we include them in the directory?

Jeanne Holm: we may leverage the directory... if there were artifacts and use cases, can we include them in the directory?

23:28:32 <PhilA> bhyland: I think we could do that and it's a great suggestion

Bernadette Hyland: I think we could do that and it's a great suggestion

23:28:44 <PhilA> ... we don't want people to blather on about how wonderful they are

... we don't want people to blather on about how wonderful they are

23:28:54 <PhilA> ... we may link to places where they can say how cool ehty are

... we may link to places where they can say how cool ehty are

23:29:13 <PhilA> ... being able to sort use cases based on the facet function

... being able to sort use cases based on the facet function

23:30:31 <Zakim> -bhyland

Zakim IRC Bot: -bhyland

23:30:35 <PhilA> zakim, who is here?

zakim, who is here?

23:30:35 <Zakim> On the phone I see tpac, Kevin_Simkins, Sandro

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see tpac, Kevin_Simkins, Sandro

23:30:36 <Zakim> On IRC I see HadleyBeeman, tlr, olyerickson, davemc, Jeanne, PhilA, rigo, RRSAgent, Zakim, kevinsimkins, bhyland, edsu, trackbot, sandro

Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see HadleyBeeman, tlr, olyerickson, davemc, Jeanne, PhilA, rigo, RRSAgent, Zakim, kevinsimkins, bhyland, edsu, trackbot, sandro

23:31:04 <PhilA> olyerickson: I think we've addressed the E&O issue

John Erickson: I think we've addressed the E&O issue

23:31:43 <PhilA> olyerickson: what is the awareness of data among people?

John Erickson: what is the awareness of data among people?

23:32:06 <PhilA> davemc: people make mashups all the time

Dave McAllister: people make mashups all the time

23:32:33 <PhilA> ... can we describe the possibility of using data so that data awareness follows (not sure I captured that properly)

... can we describe the possibility of using data so that data awareness follows (not sure I captured that properly)

23:33:01 <PhilA> Jeanne: If I'm Proctor & Gamble and I describe a product, I may only want to target investors etc.

Jeanne Holm: If I'm Proctor & Gamble and I describe a product, I may only want to target investors etc.

23:33:30 <PhilA> ... as governments, we have a responsibility to make our data accessible and help them to use it

... as governments, we have a responsibility to make our data accessible and help them to use it

23:33:40 <PhilA> ... governments are different

... governments are different

23:33:54 <PhilA> ... budgets etc. mean we need to be careful about what expectations we set

... budgets etc. mean we need to be careful about what expectations we set

23:34:50 <PhilA> olyerickson: targeting developers is like targeting HTML developers. WE need to give people that have something to say with data the tools to do it

John Erickson: targeting developers is like targeting HTML developers. WE need to give people that have something to say with data the tools to do it

23:35:14 <PhilA> ... David Schute (?) has an almost pedagogical approach

... David Schute (?) has an almost pedagogical approach

23:35:42 <PhilA> ... we should perhaps try and reach people like bloggers who wante to say something

... we should perhaps try and reach people like bloggers who wante to say something

23:36:05 <PhilA> ... most people couldn't care less how it works

... most people couldn't care less how it works

23:36:06 <olyerickson> The portal I mentioned: http://www.datamasher.org/

John Erickson: The portal I mentioned: http://www.datamasher.org/

23:36:20 <PhilA> HadleyBeeman: If we do our job properly, the rest of the world doesn't need to know we're here

Hadley Beeman: If we do our job properly, the rest of the world doesn't need to know we're here

23:36:32 <olyerickson> The professor at Temple Univ (Fox Business School): David Schutt

John Erickson: The professor at Temple Univ (Fox Business School): David Schutt

23:36:38 <PhilA> Topic: Planning for next year

5. Planning for next year

23:37:25 <PhilA> Jeanne: summarises the CARDS, shows thoughts of the keynote speakers from Warsaw

Jeanne Holm: summarises the CARDS, shows thoughts of the keynote speakers from Warsaw

23:38:53 <PhilA> Jeanne: These slides are on the wiki (I can't find the link...)

Jeanne Holm: These slides are on the wiki (I can't find the link...)

23:39:26 <PhilA> ... and the slides are a good summary of what Jeanne is saying of course

... and the slides are a good summary of what Jeanne is saying of course

23:39:31 <olyerickson>  Correction: David Schuff

John Erickson: Correction: David Schuff

23:39:31 <olyerickson> Course : http://community.mis.temple.edu/mis5101sec401f11/

John Erickson: Course : http://community.mis.temple.edu/mis5101sec401f11/

23:41:03 <PhilA> Jeanne: Cards and Actions #1 use cases

Jeanne Holm: Cards and Actions #1 use cases

23:41:11 <PhilA> HadleyBeeman: we have some sub-categories there

Hadley Beeman: we have some sub-categories there

23:41:38 <PhilA> ... if we structure it properly then our wiki can be an easy way for people to add thoughts as they occur

... if we structure it properly then our wiki can be an easy way for people to add thoughts as they occur

23:42:00 <PhilA> HadleyBeeman: we could have a hashtag for Twitter and then aggregate them

Hadley Beeman: we could have a hashtag for Twitter and then aggregate them

23:42:14 <PhilA> olyerickson: I'd like to hear more from the people that aren't here

John Erickson: I'd like to hear more from the people that aren't here

23:42:31 <PhilA> HadleyBeeman: we have hundreds on the mailing list but few here

Hadley Beeman: we have hundreds on the mailing list but few here

23:42:39 <PhilA> ... so there's more interest

... so there's more interest

23:42:51 <PhilA> ... we need to try and focus our efforts to engage more of the community we have

... we need to try and focus our efforts to engage more of the community we have

23:43:32 <PhilA> olyerickson: I'd like to figure out how to get input from the various governments that are represented in the 90 or so catalogues that we know about (CTIC has a similar number)

John Erickson: I'd like to figure out how to get input from the various governments that are represented in the 90 or so catalogues that we know about (CTIC has a similar number)

23:43:41 <PhilA> ... ,ost of them only publish 1 start data

... most of them only publish 1 start data

23:44:04 <PhilA> s/,ost/most/
23:44:21 <PhilA> Jeanne: I know the names of the people whose works we show on data.gov

Jeanne Holm: I know the names of the people whose works we show on data.gov

23:45:36 <PhilA> Jeanne: My suggestion is that we have a task for the team, figuring out a recommendation for how to approach this.

Jeanne Holm: My suggestion is that we have a task for the team, figuring out a recommendation for how to approach this.

23:46:10 <PhilA> ... ie. work out how to gather and encourage the creation of use cases

... ie. work out how to gather and encourage the creation of use cases

23:46:50 <PhilA> ACTION: Jeanne to Convene a small team to develop an immediate and long term mechanism for collection use cases

ACTION: Jeanne to Convene a small team to develop an immediate and long term mechanism for collection use cases

23:46:51 <trackbot> Created ACTION-123 - Convene a small team to develop an immediate and long term mechanism for collection use cases [on Jeanne Holm - due 2011-11-08].

Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-123 - Convene a small team to develop an immediate and long term mechanism for collection use cases [on Jeanne Holm - due 2011-11-08].

23:47:36 <PhilA> HadleyBeeman: Long term I think we'll need to work out how to deliver those use cases back to the governments and others

Hadley Beeman: Long term I think we'll need to work out how to deliver those use cases back to the governments and others

23:48:23 <HadleyBeeman> HadleyBeeman: specifiically, in which conversations they'll be useful.

Hadley Beeman: specifiically, in which conversations they'll be useful. [ Scribe Assist by Hadley Beeman ]

23:48:28 <PhilA> olyerickson: We got policies there, I was thinking of impediments. The barriers that practitioners face. Policies are one example but there might be tech barriers or barriers to understanding. These are the kind of theing that E&O can address

John Erickson: We got policies there, I was thinking of impediments. The barriers that practitioners face. Policies are one example but there might be tech barriers or barriers to understanding. These are the kind of theing that E&O can address

23:48:58 <PhilA> davemc: resources, knowledge base etc.

Dave McAllister: resources, knowledge base etc.

23:50:07 <PhilA> olyerickson: Giving people the ability to make progress

John Erickson: Giving people the ability to make progress

23:50:22 <PhilA> ... we don't have a set of best practices around dcat

... we don't have a set of best practices around dcat

23:50:38 <PhilA> ... there's nothing to show governments around the world how to do it

... there's nothing to show governments around the world how to do it

23:51:19 <PhilA> HadleyBeeman: Each of the differnet groups that we talk to needa a different story

Hadley Beeman: Each of the differnet groups that we talk to needa a different story

23:51:27 <PhilA> ... sometimes it's about the tools

... sometimes it's about the tools

23:51:35 <PhilA> ... other times it's about democracy etc.

... other times it's about democracy etc.

23:52:11 <PhilA> Jeanne: one of the things could be a way to ask a question to whaich the answer is a use case

Jeanne Holm: one of the things could be a way to ask a question to whaich the answer is a use case

23:52:25 <PhilA> davemc: It comes back to what do the end users want. What can they do with it

Dave McAllister: It comes back to what do the end users want. What can they do with it

23:52:38 <PhilA> HadleyBeeman: we're not responding to market demand. We're creating it

Hadley Beeman: we're not responding to market demand. We're creating it

23:52:54 <PhilA> davemc: Who are we selling to?

Dave McAllister: Who are we selling to?

23:55:50 <Jeanne> Action: HadleyBeeman Create a way of organizing and analyzing use case content to take back to governments and other stakeholders by 2012-01-15

ACTION: HadleyBeeman Create a way of organizing and analyzing use case content to take back to governments and other stakeholders by 2012-01-15

23:55:50 <trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - HadleyBeeman

Trackbot IRC Bot: Sorry, couldn't find user - HadleyBeeman

23:56:10 <Jeanne> Action: Beeman Create a way of organizing and analyzing use case content to take back to governments and other stakeholders by 2012-01-15

ACTION: Beeman Create a way of organizing and analyzing use case content to take back to governments and other stakeholders by 2012-01-15

23:56:11 <trackbot> Created ACTION-124 - Create a way of organizing and analyzing use case content to take back to governments and other stakeholders by 2012-01-15 [on Hadley Beeman - due 2011-11-08].

Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-124 - Create a way of organizing and analyzing use case content to take back to governments and other stakeholders by 2012-01-15 [on Hadley Beeman - due 2011-11-08].

23:57:03 <PhilA> TOPIC: CARDS and ACTIONS on Social Media

6. CARDS and ACTIONS on Social Media

23:59:57 <PhilA> olyerickson: If the 'W3C kit' card was mine (probably was) . W3C has huge kit of recommendations. We don't have a way to assess quality yet. Same issue arises in eScience

John Erickson: If the 'W3C kit' card was mine (probably was) . W3C has huge kit of recommendations. We don't have a way to assess quality yet. Same issue arises in eScience

23:59:59 <davemc> zakim, who is here?

Dave McAllister: zakim, who is here?

23:59:59 <Zakim> On the phone I see tpac, Kevin_Simkins, Sandro

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see tpac, Kevin_Simkins, Sandro

00:00:00 <Zakim> On IRC I see chsiao, matthewy, HadleyBeeman, tlr, olyerickson, davemc, Jeanne, PhilA, rigo, RRSAgent, Zakim, kevinsimkins, bhyland, edsu, trackbot, sandro

Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see chsiao, matthewy, HadleyBeeman, tlr, olyerickson, davemc, Jeanne, PhilA, rigo, RRSAgent, Zakim, kevinsimkins, bhyland, edsu, trackbot, sandro

00:00:20 <PhilA> ... we have students working on provenance and quality, How to assess quality

... we have students working on provenance and quality, How to assess quality

00:00:28 <PhilA> ... and make assertions about quality

... and make assertions about quality

00:00:39 <PhilA> ... not a lot of work to crowd source info on it

... not a lot of work to crowd source info on it

00:00:54 <PhilA> ... not a lot on data quality being in the eye of the beholder

... not a lot on data quality being in the eye of the beholder

00:01:09 <PhilA> ... most of the work on data quality os supply side, not demand side

... most of the work on data quality os supply side, not demand side

00:01:46 <PhilA> ... people have asked whether data has certain characteristics

... people have asked whether data has certain characteristics

00:02:21 <PhilA> ... Talis has done some work on showing that it's not quantity, it's quality

... Talis has done some work on showing that it's not quantity, it's quality

00:03:04 <PhilA> ... work needs to be done on these issues

... work needs to be done on these issues

00:03:22 <PhilA> ... need to cnnect with people like Stephen cresswell who is on the Prov WG

... need to cnnect with people like Stephen cresswell who is on the Prov WG

00:03:30 <Jeanne> Action: bhyland Explore the augmentation of the GLD Directory project to support some aspects of this 2011-12-15

ACTION: bhyland Explore the augmentation of the GLD Directory project to support some aspects of this 2011-12-15

00:03:30 <trackbot> Created ACTION-125 - Explore the augmentation of the GLD Directory project to support some aspects of this 2011-12-15 [on Bernadette Hyland - due 2011-11-09].

Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-125 - Explore the augmentation of the GLD Directory project to support some aspects of this 2011-12-15 [on Bernadette Hyland - due 2011-11-09].

00:03:44 <PhilA> olyerickson standards emerging for eScience may not be applicable

olyerickson standards emerging for eScience may not be applicable

00:10:59 <PhilA> HadleyBeeman: We shouldn't create a repository we don't have time to maintain

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Hadley Beeman: We shouldn't create a repository we don't have time to maintain

00:16:44 <Jeanne> Action: Jeanne  Share the eGov IG members’ social networks (to be assigned to eGov co-chair TBD) by 2012-1-15

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ACTION: Jeanne Share the eGov IG members’ social networks (to be assigned to eGov co-chair TBD) by 2012-1-15

00:16:45 <trackbot> Created ACTION-126 -  Share the eGov IG members’ social networks (to be assigned to eGov co-chair TBD) by 2012-1-15 [on Jeanne Holm - due 2011-11-09].

Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-126 - Share the eGov IG members’ social networks (to be assigned to eGov co-chair TBD) by 2012-1-15 [on Jeanne Holm - due 2011-11-09].

00:17:35 <Jeanne> Action: Dave McAllister Create a way of organizing and analyzing social media policies to identify commonalities 2012-03-15

ACTION: Dave McAllister Create a way of organizing and analyzing social media policies to identify commonalities 2012-03-15

00:17:35 <trackbot> Created ACTION-127 - McAllister Create a way of organizing and analyzing social media policies to identify commonalities 2012-03-15 [on Dave McAllister - due 2011-11-09].

Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-127 - McAllister Create a way of organizing and analyzing social media policies to identify commonalities 2012-03-15 [on Dave McAllister - due 2011-11-09].

00:22:20 <Jeanne> Action:  PhilA Identify the proper W3C parties that would be part of exploring the solutions to making apps developed from open data sustainable

ACTION: PhilA Identify the proper W3C parties that would be part of exploring the solutions to making apps developed from open data sustainable

00:22:20 <trackbot> Created ACTION-128 - Identify the proper W3C parties that would be part of exploring the solutions to making apps developed from open data sustainable  [on Phil Archer - due 2011-11-09].

Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-128 - Identify the proper W3C parties that would be part of exploring the solutions to making apps developed from open data sustainable [on Phil Archer - due 2011-11-09].

00:22:38 <Jeanne> Sandro--we are assigning some items, you're coming up!

Jeanne Holm: Sandro--we are assigning some items, you're coming up!

00:22:57 <sandro> oops, gotta go.  :-P

Sandro Hawke: oops, gotta go. :-P

00:23:12 <olyerickson> Thanks sandro!

John Erickson: Thanks sandro!

00:30:06 <Jeanne> Action: sandro Identify other activities in the W3C that could inform or be recipients of requirements from the eGov IG 2012-04-01

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ACTION: sandro Identify other activities in the W3C that could inform or be recipients of requirements from the eGov IG 2012-04-01

00:30:07 <trackbot> Created ACTION-129 - Identify other activities in the W3C that could inform or be recipients of requirements from the eGov IG 2012-04-01 [on Sandro Hawke - due 2011-11-09].

Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-129 - Identify other activities in the W3C that could inform or be recipients of requirements from the eGov IG 2012-04-01 [on Sandro Hawke - due 2011-11-09].

00:30:49 <Jeanne> Action:  kevinsimkins Identify activities in the IEEE that could inform the eGov IG by 2012-01-2

ACTION: kevinsimkins Identify activities in the IEEE that could inform the eGov IG by 2012-01-2

00:30:49 <trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - kevinsimkins

Trackbot IRC Bot: Sorry, couldn't find user - kevinsimkins

00:31:10 <Zakim> -Sandro

Zakim IRC Bot: -Sandro

00:31:14 <Jeanne> Action: Simkins Identify activities in the IEEE that could inform the eGov IG by 2012-02-01

ACTION: Simkins Identify activities in the IEEE that could inform the eGov IG by 2012-02-01

00:31:14 <trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - Simkins

Trackbot IRC Bot: Sorry, couldn't find user - Simkins

00:37:22 <Jeanne> Action: Jeanne Change frequency and perhaps time of meetings to better accomodate broad participation

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ACTION: Jeanne Change frequency and perhaps time of meetings to better accomodate broad participation

00:37:22 <trackbot> Created ACTION-130 - Change frequency and perhaps time of meetings to better accomodate broad participation [on Jeanne Holm - due 2011-11-09].

Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-130 - Change frequency and perhaps time of meetings to better accomodate broad participation [on Jeanne Holm - due 2011-11-09].

00:38:13 <davemc> close

Dave McAllister: close

00:38:45 <Jeanne> Action: Jeanne Invite additional industry/commercial participation in the IG

ACTION: Jeanne Invite additional industry/commercial participation in the IG

00:38:45 <trackbot> Created ACTION-131 - Invite additional industry/commercial participation in the IG [on Jeanne Holm - due 2011-11-09].

Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-131 - Invite additional industry/commercial participation in the IG [on Jeanne Holm - due 2011-11-09].

00:44:46 <PhilA> rrsagent, generate minutes

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rrsagent, generate minutes

00:44:46 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/11/02-egov-minutes.html PhilA

RRSAgent IRC Bot: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/11/02-egov-minutes.html PhilA

00:48:14 <Zakim> -Kevin_Simkins

Zakim IRC Bot: -Kevin_Simkins

00:48:29 <Zakim> -tpac

Zakim IRC Bot: -tpac

00:48:30 <Zakim> SW_e-Gov(eGovIG)11:00AM has ended

Zakim IRC Bot: SW_e-Gov(eGovIG)11:00AM has ended

00:48:32 <Zakim> Attendees were bhyland, tpac, Sandro, Kevin_Simkins, bdhandspicker

Zakim IRC Bot: Attendees were bhyland, tpac, Sandro, Kevin_Simkins, bdhandspicker

00:49:00 <PhilA> rrsagent, generate minutes

rrsagent, generate minutes

00:49:00 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/11/02-egov-minutes.html PhilA

RRSAgent IRC Bot: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/11/02-egov-minutes.html PhilA

00:50:24 <PhilA> meeting: eGov IG Face to Face
00:50:37 <PhilA> chair: Jeanne Holm
00:50:45 <PhilA> rrsagent, generate minutes

rrsagent, generate minutes

00:50:45 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/11/02-egov-minutes.html PhilA

RRSAgent IRC Bot: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/11/02-egov-minutes.html PhilA



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