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eGovernment Interest Group

Minutes of 22 April 2010

Agenda
http://www.w3.org/egov/wiki/Data_Catalog_Vocabulary/2010-04-22
Seen
Cory Casanave, Daniel Bennett, Ed Summers, Fadi Maali, George Thomas, Li Ding, Martín Álvarez, Richard Cyganiak, Sandro Hawke, Unknown DavidJames, Unknown Erik, Unknown Kate, Unknown LuigiMontanez, Unknown RichW, Unknown Rich_Wolverton, Unknown danbri, Unknown dret, Unknown jonphipps, Unknown kate_geyer, Unknown lindstream, Unknown mib_en6uda, Unknown ww, Vassilios Peristeras
Scribe
Sandro Hawke
IRC Log
Original
Resolutions
  1. extend by 15 mins link
Topics

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13:56:47 <RRSAgent> logging to http://www.w3.org/2010/04/22-egov-irc

RRSAgent IRC Bot: logging to http://www.w3.org/2010/04/22-egov-irc

13:56:53 <sandro> zakim. this will be egov

Sandro Hawke: zakim. this will be egov

13:56:55 <sandro> rrsagent, make log public

Sandro Hawke: rrsagent, make log public

13:57:03 <sandro> rrsagent, pointer?

Sandro Hawke: rrsagent, pointer?

13:57:03 <RRSAgent> See http://www.w3.org/2010/04/22-egov-irc#T13-57-03

RRSAgent IRC Bot: See http://www.w3.org/2010/04/22-egov-irc#T13-57-03

13:57:45 <sandro> sandro has changed the topic to: eGov IG : DCAT : http://www.w3.org/egov/wiki/Data_Catalog_Vocabulary/2010-04-22

Sandro Hawke: sandro has changed the topic to: eGov IG : DCAT : http://www.w3.org/egov/wiki/Data_Catalog_Vocabulary/2010-04-22

13:57:47 <sandro> sandro has changed the topic to: eGov IG : DCAT : http://www.w3.org/egov/wiki/Data_Catalog_Vocabulary/2010-04-22

Sandro Hawke: sandro has changed the topic to: eGov IG : DCAT : http://www.w3.org/egov/wiki/Data_Catalog_Vocabulary/2010-04-22

13:58:50 <sandro> zakim, who is on the call?

Sandro Hawke: zakim, who is on the call?

13:58:50 <Zakim> sorry, sandro, I don't know what conference this is

Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, sandro, I don't know what conference this is

13:58:51 <Zakim> On IRC I see RRSAgent, Zakim, cygri, mhausenblas, danbri, hughb, tmarkus, edsu, sandro, trackbot

Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see RRSAgent, Zakim, cygri, mhausenblas, danbri, hughb, tmarkus, edsu, sandro, trackbot

13:58:54 <sandro> zakim, this will be egov

Sandro Hawke: zakim, this will be egov

13:58:54 <Zakim> ok, sandro; I see T&S_EGOV(LD TECH)10:00AM scheduled to start in 2 minutes

Zakim IRC Bot: ok, sandro; I see T&S_EGOV(LD TECH)10:00AM scheduled to start in 2 minutes

13:59:29 <sandro> d'oh, I'm off by an hour.

Sandro Hawke: d'oh, I'm off by an hour.

13:59:53 <danbri> s/thread/conversation/

Scribe problem: the name 'danbri' does not match any of the 78 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Adam Harvey Alan Doniger Aldo Gangemi Anne Washington Ari Schwartz Bede McCall Boubacar FOUMEKOYE Brand Niemann Brian Gryth Chris Beer Christopher Testa Clifford Thompson Cory Casanave Dalila Chiadmi Daniel Bennett Dave McAllister David Norheim David Osimo Don Brutzman Ed Summers Fadi Maali George Thomas Hugh Barnes Hugh Glaser Ilker Karakas Jacob Mumm Jamal Shahin James Hendler Jeremiah Albrant John Sheridan John Wonderlich Jonathan Gray José Alonso Juan Rodríguez Rodríguez Katie Haritos-Shea Ken Fischer Kendall Clark Kevin Novak Kurt Voelker Laila Benhlima Lanfranco Marasso Leigh Dodds Li Ding Luigi Selmi Malcolm Crompton Maria Fernandez Ruiz Martín Álvarez Mathew Gilliland Michael Aisenberg Michael Hausenblas Miguel Amutio Mohamed ZERGAOUI Oscar Azanon Esteire Owen Ambur Pasquale Popolizio Pietro Russo Rachel Flagg Richard Murphy Richard Cyganiak Rinke Hoekstra Roberto Castaldo Robin Berjon Samuel Deskin Sandro Hawke Sergey Lizin Sharron Rush Steve Harris Suzanne Acar Sylvia Webb Tanya Gupta Thomas Bandholtz Tom van Engers Trond Undheim Vagner Diniz Vassilios Peristeras Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot

Scribe problem: the name 'danbri' does not match any of the 78 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Adam Harvey Alan Doniger Aldo Gangemi Anne Washington Ari Schwartz Bede McCall Boubacar FOUMEKOYE Brand Niemann Brian Gryth Chris Beer Christopher Testa Clifford Thompson Cory Casanave Dalila Chiadmi Daniel Bennett Dave McAllister David Norheim David Osimo Don Brutzman Ed Summers Fadi Maali George Thomas Hugh Barnes Hugh Glaser Ilker Karakas Jacob Mumm Jamal Shahin James Hendler Jeremiah Albrant John Sheridan John Wonderlich Jonathan Gray José Alonso Juan Rodríguez Rodríguez Katie Haritos-Shea Ken Fischer Kendall Clark Kevin Novak Kurt Voelker Laila Benhlima Lanfranco Marasso Leigh Dodds Li Ding Luigi Selmi Malcolm Crompton Maria Fernandez Ruiz Martín Álvarez Mathew Gilliland Michael Aisenberg Michael Hausenblas Miguel Amutio Mohamed ZERGAOUI Oscar Azanon Esteire Owen Ambur Pasquale Popolizio Pietro Russo Rachel Flagg Richard Murphy Richard Cyganiak Rinke Hoekstra Roberto Castaldo Robin Berjon Samuel Deskin Sandro Hawke Sergey Lizin Sharron Rush Steve Harris Suzanne Acar Sylvia Webb Tanya Gupta Thomas Bandholtz Tom van Engers Trond Undheim Vagner Diniz Vassilios Peristeras Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot

Unknown danbri: s/thread/conversation/ (warning: replacement failed)

13:59:57 <sandro> uh huh

Sandro Hawke: uh huh

14:00:18 <Zakim> T&S_EGOV(LD TECH)10:00AM has now started

Zakim IRC Bot: T&S_EGOV(LD TECH)10:00AM has now started

14:00:24 <Zakim> T&S_EGOV(LD TECH)10:00AM has ended

Zakim IRC Bot: T&S_EGOV(LD TECH)10:00AM has ended

14:00:25 <Zakim> Attendees were

Zakim IRC Bot: Attendees were

14:00:30 <cygri_> sandro, dcat is in one hour is it?

Richard Cyganiak: sandro, dcat is in one hour is it?

14:01:09 <sandro> I think so cygri.   For the last ten minutes I was confused thinking it was now.

Sandro Hawke: I think so cygri. For the last ten minutes I was confused thinking it was now.

14:01:49 <sandro> (I had another meeting now, before dcat, which was cancelled a few hours ago, and threw me off.)

Sandro Hawke: (I had another meeting now, before dcat, which was cancelled a few hours ago, and threw me off.)

14:02:53 <cygri> you had me scared for a second there :-)

Richard Cyganiak: you had me scared for a second there :-)

14:03:04 <cygri> so LD TECH is not us

Richard Cyganiak: so LD TECH is not us

14:03:53 <cygri> sandro: mhausenblas just pointed me to http://www.w3.org/Guide/1998/08/teleconference-calendar#D20100422 and i couldn't see anything about dcat, should it be listed there?

Sandro Hawke: mhausenblas just pointed me to http://www.w3.org/Guide/1998/08/teleconference-calendar#D20100422 and i couldn't see anything about dcat, should it be listed there? [ Scribe Assist by Richard Cyganiak ]

14:16:27 <sandro> cygri, I extended LD TECH for an extra hour to cover dcat, since zakim can't really handle back-to-back calls with the same code.     (if you call at 14:59 it wouldn't know which to put you on.)

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Sandro Hawke: cygri, I extended LD TECH for an extra hour to cover dcat, since zakim can't really handle back-to-back calls with the same code. (if you call at 14:59 it wouldn't know which to put you on.)

14:16:41 <sandro> so this should be fine.   it's what we had last week.

Sandro Hawke: so this should be fine. it's what we had last week.

14:17:09 <sandro> I kind of which we had different codes, though.   I dunno.

Sandro Hawke: I kind of which we had different codes, though. I dunno.

14:17:23 <cygri> thanks sandro, sounds fine to me.

Richard Cyganiak: thanks sandro, sounds fine to me.

14:18:31 <lindstream> Hello folks. The meeting is in 40 minutes, correct?

Scribe problem: the name 'lindstream' does not match any of the 78 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Adam Harvey Alan Doniger Aldo Gangemi Anne Washington Ari Schwartz Bede McCall Boubacar FOUMEKOYE Brand Niemann Brian Gryth Chris Beer Christopher Testa Clifford Thompson Cory Casanave Dalila Chiadmi Daniel Bennett Dave McAllister David Norheim David Osimo Don Brutzman Ed Summers Fadi Maali George Thomas Hugh Barnes Hugh Glaser Ilker Karakas Jacob Mumm Jamal Shahin James Hendler Jeremiah Albrant John Sheridan John Wonderlich Jonathan Gray José Alonso Juan Rodríguez Rodríguez Katie Haritos-Shea Ken Fischer Kendall Clark Kevin Novak Kurt Voelker Laila Benhlima Lanfranco Marasso Leigh Dodds Li Ding Luigi Selmi Malcolm Crompton Maria Fernandez Ruiz Martín Álvarez Mathew Gilliland Michael Aisenberg Michael Hausenblas Miguel Amutio Mohamed ZERGAOUI Oscar Azanon Esteire Owen Ambur Pasquale Popolizio Pietro Russo Rachel Flagg Richard Murphy Richard Cyganiak Rinke Hoekstra Roberto Castaldo Robin Berjon Samuel Deskin Sandro Hawke Sergey Lizin Sharron Rush Steve Harris Suzanne Acar Sylvia Webb Tanya Gupta Thomas Bandholtz Tom van Engers Trond Undheim Vagner Diniz Vassilios Peristeras Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot

Scribe problem: the name 'lindstream' does not match any of the 78 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Adam Harvey Alan Doniger Aldo Gangemi Anne Washington Ari Schwartz Bede McCall Boubacar FOUMEKOYE Brand Niemann Brian Gryth Chris Beer Christopher Testa Clifford Thompson Cory Casanave Dalila Chiadmi Daniel Bennett Dave McAllister David Norheim David Osimo Don Brutzman Ed Summers Fadi Maali George Thomas Hugh Barnes Hugh Glaser Ilker Karakas Jacob Mumm Jamal Shahin James Hendler Jeremiah Albrant John Sheridan John Wonderlich Jonathan Gray José Alonso Juan Rodríguez Rodríguez Katie Haritos-Shea Ken Fischer Kendall Clark Kevin Novak Kurt Voelker Laila Benhlima Lanfranco Marasso Leigh Dodds Li Ding Luigi Selmi Malcolm Crompton Maria Fernandez Ruiz Martín Álvarez Mathew Gilliland Michael Aisenberg Michael Hausenblas Miguel Amutio Mohamed ZERGAOUI Oscar Azanon Esteire Owen Ambur Pasquale Popolizio Pietro Russo Rachel Flagg Richard Murphy Richard Cyganiak Rinke Hoekstra Roberto Castaldo Robin Berjon Samuel Deskin Sandro Hawke Sergey Lizin Sharron Rush Steve Harris Suzanne Acar Sylvia Webb Tanya Gupta Thomas Bandholtz Tom van Engers Trond Undheim Vagner Diniz Vassilios Peristeras Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot

Unknown lindstream: Hello folks. The meeting is in 40 minutes, correct?

14:18:36 <sandro> yes, lindstream

Sandro Hawke: yes, lindstream

14:19:14 <lindstream> great. I cannot attend by phone unfortunately. Is it ok to give some feedback only via irc?

Scribe problem: the name 'lindstream' does not match any of the 78 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Adam Harvey Alan Doniger Aldo Gangemi Anne Washington Ari Schwartz Bede McCall Boubacar FOUMEKOYE Brand Niemann Brian Gryth Chris Beer Christopher Testa Clifford Thompson Cory Casanave Dalila Chiadmi Daniel Bennett Dave McAllister David Norheim David Osimo Don Brutzman Ed Summers Fadi Maali George Thomas Hugh Barnes Hugh Glaser Ilker Karakas Jacob Mumm Jamal Shahin James Hendler Jeremiah Albrant John Sheridan John Wonderlich Jonathan Gray José Alonso Juan Rodríguez Rodríguez Katie Haritos-Shea Ken Fischer Kendall Clark Kevin Novak Kurt Voelker Laila Benhlima Lanfranco Marasso Leigh Dodds Li Ding Luigi Selmi Malcolm Crompton Maria Fernandez Ruiz Martín Álvarez Mathew Gilliland Michael Aisenberg Michael Hausenblas Miguel Amutio Mohamed ZERGAOUI Oscar Azanon Esteire Owen Ambur Pasquale Popolizio Pietro Russo Rachel Flagg Richard Murphy Richard Cyganiak Rinke Hoekstra Roberto Castaldo Robin Berjon Samuel Deskin Sandro Hawke Sergey Lizin Sharron Rush Steve Harris Suzanne Acar Sylvia Webb Tanya Gupta Thomas Bandholtz Tom van Engers Trond Undheim Vagner Diniz Vassilios Peristeras Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot

Scribe problem: the name 'lindstream' does not match any of the 78 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Adam Harvey Alan Doniger Aldo Gangemi Anne Washington Ari Schwartz Bede McCall Boubacar FOUMEKOYE Brand Niemann Brian Gryth Chris Beer Christopher Testa Clifford Thompson Cory Casanave Dalila Chiadmi Daniel Bennett Dave McAllister David Norheim David Osimo Don Brutzman Ed Summers Fadi Maali George Thomas Hugh Barnes Hugh Glaser Ilker Karakas Jacob Mumm Jamal Shahin James Hendler Jeremiah Albrant John Sheridan John Wonderlich Jonathan Gray José Alonso Juan Rodríguez Rodríguez Katie Haritos-Shea Ken Fischer Kendall Clark Kevin Novak Kurt Voelker Laila Benhlima Lanfranco Marasso Leigh Dodds Li Ding Luigi Selmi Malcolm Crompton Maria Fernandez Ruiz Martín Álvarez Mathew Gilliland Michael Aisenberg Michael Hausenblas Miguel Amutio Mohamed ZERGAOUI Oscar Azanon Esteire Owen Ambur Pasquale Popolizio Pietro Russo Rachel Flagg Richard Murphy Richard Cyganiak Rinke Hoekstra Roberto Castaldo Robin Berjon Samuel Deskin Sandro Hawke Sergey Lizin Sharron Rush Steve Harris Suzanne Acar Sylvia Webb Tanya Gupta Thomas Bandholtz Tom van Engers Trond Undheim Vagner Diniz Vassilios Peristeras Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot

Unknown lindstream: great. I cannot attend by phone unfortunately. Is it ok to give some feedback only via irc?

14:19:40 <sandro> You can try; people may or may not read what you say on IRC.

Sandro Hawke: You can try; people may or may not read what you say on IRC.

14:20:48 <lindstream> ok. better than nothing. (But I'll see if I can get phone access.)

Scribe problem: the name 'lindstream' does not match any of the 78 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Adam Harvey Alan Doniger Aldo Gangemi Anne Washington Ari Schwartz Bede McCall Boubacar FOUMEKOYE Brand Niemann Brian Gryth Chris Beer Christopher Testa Clifford Thompson Cory Casanave Dalila Chiadmi Daniel Bennett Dave McAllister David Norheim David Osimo Don Brutzman Ed Summers Fadi Maali George Thomas Hugh Barnes Hugh Glaser Ilker Karakas Jacob Mumm Jamal Shahin James Hendler Jeremiah Albrant John Sheridan John Wonderlich Jonathan Gray José Alonso Juan Rodríguez Rodríguez Katie Haritos-Shea Ken Fischer Kendall Clark Kevin Novak Kurt Voelker Laila Benhlima Lanfranco Marasso Leigh Dodds Li Ding Luigi Selmi Malcolm Crompton Maria Fernandez Ruiz Martín Álvarez Mathew Gilliland Michael Aisenberg Michael Hausenblas Miguel Amutio Mohamed ZERGAOUI Oscar Azanon Esteire Owen Ambur Pasquale Popolizio Pietro Russo Rachel Flagg Richard Murphy Richard Cyganiak Rinke Hoekstra Roberto Castaldo Robin Berjon Samuel Deskin Sandro Hawke Sergey Lizin Sharron Rush Steve Harris Suzanne Acar Sylvia Webb Tanya Gupta Thomas Bandholtz Tom van Engers Trond Undheim Vagner Diniz Vassilios Peristeras Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot

Scribe problem: the name 'lindstream' does not match any of the 78 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Adam Harvey Alan Doniger Aldo Gangemi Anne Washington Ari Schwartz Bede McCall Boubacar FOUMEKOYE Brand Niemann Brian Gryth Chris Beer Christopher Testa Clifford Thompson Cory Casanave Dalila Chiadmi Daniel Bennett Dave McAllister David Norheim David Osimo Don Brutzman Ed Summers Fadi Maali George Thomas Hugh Barnes Hugh Glaser Ilker Karakas Jacob Mumm Jamal Shahin James Hendler Jeremiah Albrant John Sheridan John Wonderlich Jonathan Gray José Alonso Juan Rodríguez Rodríguez Katie Haritos-Shea Ken Fischer Kendall Clark Kevin Novak Kurt Voelker Laila Benhlima Lanfranco Marasso Leigh Dodds Li Ding Luigi Selmi Malcolm Crompton Maria Fernandez Ruiz Martín Álvarez Mathew Gilliland Michael Aisenberg Michael Hausenblas Miguel Amutio Mohamed ZERGAOUI Oscar Azanon Esteire Owen Ambur Pasquale Popolizio Pietro Russo Rachel Flagg Richard Murphy Richard Cyganiak Rinke Hoekstra Roberto Castaldo Robin Berjon Samuel Deskin Sandro Hawke Sergey Lizin Sharron Rush Steve Harris Suzanne Acar Sylvia Webb Tanya Gupta Thomas Bandholtz Tom van Engers Trond Undheim Vagner Diniz Vassilios Peristeras Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot

Unknown lindstream: ok. better than nothing. (But I'll see if I can get phone access.)

14:22:58 <sandro> skype or something?

Sandro Hawke: skype or something?

14:24:07 <lindstream> yes, I'll see if I can get that to play (I'm on a shaky wireless)

Scribe problem: the name 'lindstream' does not match any of the 78 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Adam Harvey Alan Doniger Aldo Gangemi Anne Washington Ari Schwartz Bede McCall Boubacar FOUMEKOYE Brand Niemann Brian Gryth Chris Beer Christopher Testa Clifford Thompson Cory Casanave Dalila Chiadmi Daniel Bennett Dave McAllister David Norheim David Osimo Don Brutzman Ed Summers Fadi Maali George Thomas Hugh Barnes Hugh Glaser Ilker Karakas Jacob Mumm Jamal Shahin James Hendler Jeremiah Albrant John Sheridan John Wonderlich Jonathan Gray José Alonso Juan Rodríguez Rodríguez Katie Haritos-Shea Ken Fischer Kendall Clark Kevin Novak Kurt Voelker Laila Benhlima Lanfranco Marasso Leigh Dodds Li Ding Luigi Selmi Malcolm Crompton Maria Fernandez Ruiz Martín Álvarez Mathew Gilliland Michael Aisenberg Michael Hausenblas Miguel Amutio Mohamed ZERGAOUI Oscar Azanon Esteire Owen Ambur Pasquale Popolizio Pietro Russo Rachel Flagg Richard Murphy Richard Cyganiak Rinke Hoekstra Roberto Castaldo Robin Berjon Samuel Deskin Sandro Hawke Sergey Lizin Sharron Rush Steve Harris Suzanne Acar Sylvia Webb Tanya Gupta Thomas Bandholtz Tom van Engers Trond Undheim Vagner Diniz Vassilios Peristeras Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot

Scribe problem: the name 'lindstream' does not match any of the 78 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Adam Harvey Alan Doniger Aldo Gangemi Anne Washington Ari Schwartz Bede McCall Boubacar FOUMEKOYE Brand Niemann Brian Gryth Chris Beer Christopher Testa Clifford Thompson Cory Casanave Dalila Chiadmi Daniel Bennett Dave McAllister David Norheim David Osimo Don Brutzman Ed Summers Fadi Maali George Thomas Hugh Barnes Hugh Glaser Ilker Karakas Jacob Mumm Jamal Shahin James Hendler Jeremiah Albrant John Sheridan John Wonderlich Jonathan Gray José Alonso Juan Rodríguez Rodríguez Katie Haritos-Shea Ken Fischer Kendall Clark Kevin Novak Kurt Voelker Laila Benhlima Lanfranco Marasso Leigh Dodds Li Ding Luigi Selmi Malcolm Crompton Maria Fernandez Ruiz Martín Álvarez Mathew Gilliland Michael Aisenberg Michael Hausenblas Miguel Amutio Mohamed ZERGAOUI Oscar Azanon Esteire Owen Ambur Pasquale Popolizio Pietro Russo Rachel Flagg Richard Murphy Richard Cyganiak Rinke Hoekstra Roberto Castaldo Robin Berjon Samuel Deskin Sandro Hawke Sergey Lizin Sharron Rush Steve Harris Suzanne Acar Sylvia Webb Tanya Gupta Thomas Bandholtz Tom van Engers Trond Undheim Vagner Diniz Vassilios Peristeras Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot

Unknown lindstream: yes, I'll see if I can get that to play (I'm on a shaky wireless)

14:28:56 <sandro> ah.

Sandro Hawke: ah.

14:55:18 <Zakim> T&S_EGOV(LD TECH)10:00AM has now started

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Zakim IRC Bot: T&S_EGOV(LD TECH)10:00AM has now started

14:55:25 <Zakim> +Sandro

Zakim IRC Bot: +Sandro

14:55:29 <sandro> RRSAgent, pointer?

Sandro Hawke: RRSAgent, pointer?

14:55:29 <RRSAgent> See http://www.w3.org/2010/04/22-egov-irc#T14-55-29

RRSAgent IRC Bot: See http://www.w3.org/2010/04/22-egov-irc#T14-55-29

14:58:13 <Zakim> + +1.202.955.aaaa

Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.202.955.aaaa

14:58:36 <sandro> zakim, aaaa is Sunlight

Sandro Hawke: zakim, aaaa is Sunlight

14:58:36 <Zakim> +Sunlight; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +Sunlight; got it

14:58:45 <sandro> Zakim, Sunlight has Luigi, David

Sandro Hawke: Zakim, Sunlight has Luigi, David

14:58:45 <Zakim> +Luigi, David; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +Luigi, David; got it

14:59:00 <Zakim> +??P27

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P27

14:59:15 <Zakim> +[CTIC]

Zakim IRC Bot: +[CTIC]

14:59:23 <Zakim> + +1.202.690.aabb

Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.202.690.aabb

14:59:34 <martin> Zakim, +[C is martin

Martín Álvarez: Zakim, +[C is martin

14:59:34 <Zakim> sorry, martin, I do not recognize a party named '+[C'

Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, martin, I do not recognize a party named '+[C'

14:59:46 <martin> Zakim, [C is martin

Martín Álvarez: Zakim, [C is martin

14:59:46 <Zakim> +martin; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +martin; got it

15:00:18 <Zakim> + +1.617.521.aacc

Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.617.521.aacc

15:00:34 <Zakim> + +1.510.643.aadd

Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.510.643.aadd

15:00:53 <Zakim> + +0789798aaee

Zakim IRC Bot: + +0789798aaee

15:01:12 <sandro> zakim, who is talking?

Sandro Hawke: zakim, who is talking?

15:01:22 <Zakim> + +03539149aaff

Zakim IRC Bot: + +03539149aaff

15:01:23 <Zakim> sandro, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: +1.510.643.aadd (22%)

Zakim IRC Bot: sandro, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: +1.510.643.aadd (22%)

15:01:38 <Zakim> +??P43

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P43

15:01:44 <sandro> zakim, who is on the call?

Sandro Hawke: zakim, who is on the call?

15:01:44 <Zakim> On the phone I see Sandro, Sunlight, ??P27, martin, +1.202.690.aabb, +1.617.521.aacc (muted), +1.510.643.aadd, +0789798aaee (muted), +03539149aaff, ??P43

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see Sandro, Sunlight, ??P27, martin, +1.202.690.aabb, +1.617.521.aacc (muted), +1.510.643.aadd, +0789798aaee (muted), +03539149aaff, ??P43

15:01:46 <cygri> zakim, aaff is cygri

Richard Cyganiak: zakim, aaff is cygri

15:01:48 <Zakim> Sunlight has Luigi, David

Zakim IRC Bot: Sunlight has Luigi, David

15:01:48 <Zakim> +cygri; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +cygri; got it

15:02:07 <cygri> zakim, fadi_ is with cygri

Richard Cyganiak: zakim, fadi_ is with cygri

15:02:12 <Zakim> +fadi_; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +fadi_; got it

15:02:28 <sandro> scribe: sandro

(Scribe set to Sandro Hawke)

15:03:19 <sandro> zakim, who is on the call?

zakim, who is on the call?

15:03:19 <Zakim> On the phone I see Sandro, Sunlight, ??P27, martin, +1.202.690.aabb, +1.617.521.aacc (muted), +1.510.643.aadd, +0789798aaee (muted), cygri, ??P43

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see Sandro, Sunlight, ??P27, martin, +1.202.690.aabb, +1.617.521.aacc (muted), +1.510.643.aadd, +0789798aaee (muted), cygri, ??P43

15:03:23 <sandro> zakim, who is talking?

zakim, who is talking?

15:03:23 <Zakim> cygri has cygri, fadi_

Zakim IRC Bot: cygri has cygri, fadi_

15:03:23 <Zakim> Sunlight has Luigi, David

Zakim IRC Bot: Sunlight has Luigi, David

15:03:25 <Zakim> + +1.617.619.aagg

Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.617.619.aagg

15:03:33 <Zakim> sandro, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: ??P27 (10%)

Zakim IRC Bot: sandro, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: ??P27 (10%)

15:03:59 <sandro> zakim, aabb is George

zakim, aabb is George

15:03:59 <Zakim> +George; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +George; got it

15:04:19 <sandro> zakim, aacc is Kate

zakim, aacc is Kate

15:04:19 <Zakim> +Kate; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +Kate; got it

15:04:42 <sandro> zakim, aadd is Erik

zakim, aadd is Erik

15:04:42 <Zakim> +Erik; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +Erik; got it

15:05:08 <RichW> 617-521  is Rich Wolverton from the Commonwealth of Mass

Scribe problem: the name 'RichW' does not match any of the 78 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Adam Harvey Alan Doniger Aldo Gangemi Anne Washington Ari Schwartz Bede McCall Boubacar FOUMEKOYE Brand Niemann Brian Gryth Chris Beer Christopher Testa Clifford Thompson Cory Casanave Dalila Chiadmi Daniel Bennett Dave McAllister David Norheim David Osimo Don Brutzman Ed Summers Fadi Maali George Thomas Hugh Barnes Hugh Glaser Ilker Karakas Jacob Mumm Jamal Shahin James Hendler Jeremiah Albrant John Sheridan John Wonderlich Jonathan Gray José Alonso Juan Rodríguez Rodríguez Katie Haritos-Shea Ken Fischer Kendall Clark Kevin Novak Kurt Voelker Laila Benhlima Lanfranco Marasso Leigh Dodds Li Ding Luigi Selmi Malcolm Crompton Maria Fernandez Ruiz Martín Álvarez Mathew Gilliland Michael Aisenberg Michael Hausenblas Miguel Amutio Mohamed ZERGAOUI Oscar Azanon Esteire Owen Ambur Pasquale Popolizio Pietro Russo Rachel Flagg Richard Murphy Richard Cyganiak Rinke Hoekstra Roberto Castaldo Robin Berjon Samuel Deskin Sandro Hawke Sergey Lizin Sharron Rush Steve Harris Suzanne Acar Sylvia Webb Tanya Gupta Thomas Bandholtz Tom van Engers Trond Undheim Vagner Diniz Vassilios Peristeras Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot

Scribe problem: the name 'RichW' does not match any of the 78 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Adam Harvey Alan Doniger Aldo Gangemi Anne Washington Ari Schwartz Bede McCall Boubacar FOUMEKOYE Brand Niemann Brian Gryth Chris Beer Christopher Testa Clifford Thompson Cory Casanave Dalila Chiadmi Daniel Bennett Dave McAllister David Norheim David Osimo Don Brutzman Ed Summers Fadi Maali George Thomas Hugh Barnes Hugh Glaser Ilker Karakas Jacob Mumm Jamal Shahin James Hendler Jeremiah Albrant John Sheridan John Wonderlich Jonathan Gray José Alonso Juan Rodríguez Rodríguez Katie Haritos-Shea Ken Fischer Kendall Clark Kevin Novak Kurt Voelker Laila Benhlima Lanfranco Marasso Leigh Dodds Li Ding Luigi Selmi Malcolm Crompton Maria Fernandez Ruiz Martín Álvarez Mathew Gilliland Michael Aisenberg Michael Hausenblas Miguel Amutio Mohamed ZERGAOUI Oscar Azanon Esteire Owen Ambur Pasquale Popolizio Pietro Russo Rachel Flagg Richard Murphy Richard Cyganiak Rinke Hoekstra Roberto Castaldo Robin Berjon Samuel Deskin Sandro Hawke Sergey Lizin Sharron Rush Steve Harris Suzanne Acar Sylvia Webb Tanya Gupta Thomas Bandholtz Tom van Engers Trond Undheim Vagner Diniz Vassilios Peristeras Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot

Unknown RichW: 617-521 is Rich Wolverton from the Commonwealth of Mass

15:05:29 <Zakim> + +1.410.336.aahh

Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.410.336.aahh

15:05:42 <Zakim> +??P48

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P48

15:05:54 <Zakim> + +1.202.564.aaii

Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.202.564.aaii

15:05:56 <Zakim> + +1.607.785.aajj

Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.607.785.aajj

15:06:00 <Zakim> -??P43

Zakim IRC Bot: -??P43

15:06:01 <kate_geyer> Sorry Rich, I might have nabed your number by mistake

Scribe problem: the name 'kate_geyer' does not match any of the 78 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Adam Harvey Alan Doniger Aldo Gangemi Anne Washington Ari Schwartz Bede McCall Boubacar FOUMEKOYE Brand Niemann Brian Gryth Chris Beer Christopher Testa Clifford Thompson Cory Casanave Dalila Chiadmi Daniel Bennett Dave McAllister David Norheim David Osimo Don Brutzman Ed Summers Fadi Maali George Thomas Hugh Barnes Hugh Glaser Ilker Karakas Jacob Mumm Jamal Shahin James Hendler Jeremiah Albrant John Sheridan John Wonderlich Jonathan Gray José Alonso Juan Rodríguez Rodríguez Katie Haritos-Shea Ken Fischer Kendall Clark Kevin Novak Kurt Voelker Laila Benhlima Lanfranco Marasso Leigh Dodds Li Ding Luigi Selmi Malcolm Crompton Maria Fernandez Ruiz Martín Álvarez Mathew Gilliland Michael Aisenberg Michael Hausenblas Miguel Amutio Mohamed ZERGAOUI Oscar Azanon Esteire Owen Ambur Pasquale Popolizio Pietro Russo Rachel Flagg Richard Murphy Richard Cyganiak Rinke Hoekstra Roberto Castaldo Robin Berjon Samuel Deskin Sandro Hawke Sergey Lizin Sharron Rush Steve Harris Suzanne Acar Sylvia Webb Tanya Gupta Thomas Bandholtz Tom van Engers Trond Undheim Vagner Diniz Vassilios Peristeras Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot

Scribe problem: the name 'kate_geyer' does not match any of the 78 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Adam Harvey Alan Doniger Aldo Gangemi Anne Washington Ari Schwartz Bede McCall Boubacar FOUMEKOYE Brand Niemann Brian Gryth Chris Beer Christopher Testa Clifford Thompson Cory Casanave Dalila Chiadmi Daniel Bennett Dave McAllister David Norheim David Osimo Don Brutzman Ed Summers Fadi Maali George Thomas Hugh Barnes Hugh Glaser Ilker Karakas Jacob Mumm Jamal Shahin James Hendler Jeremiah Albrant John Sheridan John Wonderlich Jonathan Gray José Alonso Juan Rodríguez Rodríguez Katie Haritos-Shea Ken Fischer Kendall Clark Kevin Novak Kurt Voelker Laila Benhlima Lanfranco Marasso Leigh Dodds Li Ding Luigi Selmi Malcolm Crompton Maria Fernandez Ruiz Martín Álvarez Mathew Gilliland Michael Aisenberg Michael Hausenblas Miguel Amutio Mohamed ZERGAOUI Oscar Azanon Esteire Owen Ambur Pasquale Popolizio Pietro Russo Rachel Flagg Richard Murphy Richard Cyganiak Rinke Hoekstra Roberto Castaldo Robin Berjon Samuel Deskin Sandro Hawke Sergey Lizin Sharron Rush Steve Harris Suzanne Acar Sylvia Webb Tanya Gupta Thomas Bandholtz Tom van Engers Trond Undheim Vagner Diniz Vassilios Peristeras Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot

Unknown kate_geyer: Sorry Rich, I might have nabed your number by mistake

15:06:30 <sandro> zakim, kate is Rich_Wolverton

zakim, kate is Rich_Wolverton

15:06:30 <Zakim> +Rich_Wolverton; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +Rich_Wolverton; got it

15:06:40 <sandro> zakim, who is on the call?

zakim, who is on the call?

15:06:40 <Zakim> On the phone I see Sandro, Sunlight, ??P27, martin, George, Rich_Wolverton (muted), Erik, +0789798aaee (muted), cygri, +1.617.619.aagg, +1.410.336.aahh, ??P48, +1.202.564.aaii,

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see Sandro, Sunlight, ??P27, martin, George, Rich_Wolverton (muted), Erik, +0789798aaee (muted), cygri, +1.617.619.aagg, +1.410.336.aahh, ??P48, +1.202.564.aaii,

15:06:44 <Zakim> ... +1.607.785.aajj (muted)

Zakim IRC Bot: ... +1.607.785.aajj (muted)

15:06:44 <Zakim> cygri has cygri, fadi_

Zakim IRC Bot: cygri has cygri, fadi_

15:06:46 <Zakim> Sunlight has Luigi, David

Zakim IRC Bot: Sunlight has Luigi, David

15:06:47 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]

Zakim IRC Bot: +[IPcaller]

15:06:54 <sandro> zakim, aagg is Kate

zakim, aagg is Kate

15:06:54 <Zakim> +Kate; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +Kate; got it

15:06:55 <RichW> kate is 617-619

Scribe problem: the name 'RichW' does not match any of the 78 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Adam Harvey Alan Doniger Aldo Gangemi Anne Washington Ari Schwartz Bede McCall Boubacar FOUMEKOYE Brand Niemann Brian Gryth Chris Beer Christopher Testa Clifford Thompson Cory Casanave Dalila Chiadmi Daniel Bennett Dave McAllister David Norheim David Osimo Don Brutzman Ed Summers Fadi Maali George Thomas Hugh Barnes Hugh Glaser Ilker Karakas Jacob Mumm Jamal Shahin James Hendler Jeremiah Albrant John Sheridan John Wonderlich Jonathan Gray José Alonso Juan Rodríguez Rodríguez Katie Haritos-Shea Ken Fischer Kendall Clark Kevin Novak Kurt Voelker Laila Benhlima Lanfranco Marasso Leigh Dodds Li Ding Luigi Selmi Malcolm Crompton Maria Fernandez Ruiz Martín Álvarez Mathew Gilliland Michael Aisenberg Michael Hausenblas Miguel Amutio Mohamed ZERGAOUI Oscar Azanon Esteire Owen Ambur Pasquale Popolizio Pietro Russo Rachel Flagg Richard Murphy Richard Cyganiak Rinke Hoekstra Roberto Castaldo Robin Berjon Samuel Deskin Sandro Hawke Sergey Lizin Sharron Rush Steve Harris Suzanne Acar Sylvia Webb Tanya Gupta Thomas Bandholtz Tom van Engers Trond Undheim Vagner Diniz Vassilios Peristeras Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot

Scribe problem: the name 'RichW' does not match any of the 78 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Adam Harvey Alan Doniger Aldo Gangemi Anne Washington Ari Schwartz Bede McCall Boubacar FOUMEKOYE Brand Niemann Brian Gryth Chris Beer Christopher Testa Clifford Thompson Cory Casanave Dalila Chiadmi Daniel Bennett Dave McAllister David Norheim David Osimo Don Brutzman Ed Summers Fadi Maali George Thomas Hugh Barnes Hugh Glaser Ilker Karakas Jacob Mumm Jamal Shahin James Hendler Jeremiah Albrant John Sheridan John Wonderlich Jonathan Gray José Alonso Juan Rodríguez Rodríguez Katie Haritos-Shea Ken Fischer Kendall Clark Kevin Novak Kurt Voelker Laila Benhlima Lanfranco Marasso Leigh Dodds Li Ding Luigi Selmi Malcolm Crompton Maria Fernandez Ruiz Martín Álvarez Mathew Gilliland Michael Aisenberg Michael Hausenblas Miguel Amutio Mohamed ZERGAOUI Oscar Azanon Esteire Owen Ambur Pasquale Popolizio Pietro Russo Rachel Flagg Richard Murphy Richard Cyganiak Rinke Hoekstra Roberto Castaldo Robin Berjon Samuel Deskin Sandro Hawke Sergey Lizin Sharron Rush Steve Harris Suzanne Acar Sylvia Webb Tanya Gupta Thomas Bandholtz Tom van Engers Trond Undheim Vagner Diniz Vassilios Peristeras Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot

Unknown RichW: kate is 617-619

15:06:55 <vassilios> HI Vasilios just joined through skype

Vassilios Peristeras: HI Vasilios just joined through skype

15:07:14 <Cory> Zakim, [IPcaller] is Cory

Cory Casanave: Zakim, [IPcaller] is Cory

15:07:14 <Zakim> +Cory; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +Cory; got it

15:07:47 <edsu> hmm, conference is full?

Ed Summers: hmm, conference is full?

15:08:40 <sandro> edsu, did you try pressing *0 for the operator and askin gthem to add ytou>?

edsu, did you try pressing *0 for the operator and askin gthem to add ytou>?

15:08:52 <mib_en6uda> who am i?

Scribe problem: the name 'mib_en6uda' does not match any of the 78 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Adam Harvey Alan Doniger Aldo Gangemi Anne Washington Ari Schwartz Bede McCall Boubacar FOUMEKOYE Brand Niemann Brian Gryth Chris Beer Christopher Testa Clifford Thompson Cory Casanave Dalila Chiadmi Daniel Bennett Dave McAllister David Norheim David Osimo Don Brutzman Ed Summers Fadi Maali George Thomas Hugh Barnes Hugh Glaser Ilker Karakas Jacob Mumm Jamal Shahin James Hendler Jeremiah Albrant John Sheridan John Wonderlich Jonathan Gray José Alonso Juan Rodríguez Rodríguez Katie Haritos-Shea Ken Fischer Kendall Clark Kevin Novak Kurt Voelker Laila Benhlima Lanfranco Marasso Leigh Dodds Li Ding Luigi Selmi Malcolm Crompton Maria Fernandez Ruiz Martín Álvarez Mathew Gilliland Michael Aisenberg Michael Hausenblas Miguel Amutio Mohamed ZERGAOUI Oscar Azanon Esteire Owen Ambur Pasquale Popolizio Pietro Russo Rachel Flagg Richard Murphy Richard Cyganiak Rinke Hoekstra Roberto Castaldo Robin Berjon Samuel Deskin Sandro Hawke Sergey Lizin Sharron Rush Steve Harris Suzanne Acar Sylvia Webb Tanya Gupta Thomas Bandholtz Tom van Engers Trond Undheim Vagner Diniz Vassilios Peristeras Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot

Scribe problem: the name 'mib_en6uda' does not match any of the 78 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Adam Harvey Alan Doniger Aldo Gangemi Anne Washington Ari Schwartz Bede McCall Boubacar FOUMEKOYE Brand Niemann Brian Gryth Chris Beer Christopher Testa Clifford Thompson Cory Casanave Dalila Chiadmi Daniel Bennett Dave McAllister David Norheim David Osimo Don Brutzman Ed Summers Fadi Maali George Thomas Hugh Barnes Hugh Glaser Ilker Karakas Jacob Mumm Jamal Shahin James Hendler Jeremiah Albrant John Sheridan John Wonderlich Jonathan Gray José Alonso Juan Rodríguez Rodríguez Katie Haritos-Shea Ken Fischer Kendall Clark Kevin Novak Kurt Voelker Laila Benhlima Lanfranco Marasso Leigh Dodds Li Ding Luigi Selmi Malcolm Crompton Maria Fernandez Ruiz Martín Álvarez Mathew Gilliland Michael Aisenberg Michael Hausenblas Miguel Amutio Mohamed ZERGAOUI Oscar Azanon Esteire Owen Ambur Pasquale Popolizio Pietro Russo Rachel Flagg Richard Murphy Richard Cyganiak Rinke Hoekstra Roberto Castaldo Robin Berjon Samuel Deskin Sandro Hawke Sergey Lizin Sharron Rush Steve Harris Suzanne Acar Sylvia Webb Tanya Gupta Thomas Bandholtz Tom van Engers Trond Undheim Vagner Diniz Vassilios Peristeras Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot

Unknown mib_en6uda: who am i?

15:09:47 <jonphipps> zakim, +1.607.785.aajj is jonphipps

Scribe problem: the name 'jonphipps' does not match any of the 78 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Adam Harvey Alan Doniger Aldo Gangemi Anne Washington Ari Schwartz Bede McCall Boubacar FOUMEKOYE Brand Niemann Brian Gryth Chris Beer Christopher Testa Clifford Thompson Cory Casanave Dalila Chiadmi Daniel Bennett Dave McAllister David Norheim David Osimo Don Brutzman Ed Summers Fadi Maali George Thomas Hugh Barnes Hugh Glaser Ilker Karakas Jacob Mumm Jamal Shahin James Hendler Jeremiah Albrant John Sheridan John Wonderlich Jonathan Gray José Alonso Juan Rodríguez Rodríguez Katie Haritos-Shea Ken Fischer Kendall Clark Kevin Novak Kurt Voelker Laila Benhlima Lanfranco Marasso Leigh Dodds Li Ding Luigi Selmi Malcolm Crompton Maria Fernandez Ruiz Martín Álvarez Mathew Gilliland Michael Aisenberg Michael Hausenblas Miguel Amutio Mohamed ZERGAOUI Oscar Azanon Esteire Owen Ambur Pasquale Popolizio Pietro Russo Rachel Flagg Richard Murphy Richard Cyganiak Rinke Hoekstra Roberto Castaldo Robin Berjon Samuel Deskin Sandro Hawke Sergey Lizin Sharron Rush Steve Harris Suzanne Acar Sylvia Webb Tanya Gupta Thomas Bandholtz Tom van Engers Trond Undheim Vagner Diniz Vassilios Peristeras Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot

Scribe problem: the name 'jonphipps' does not match any of the 78 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Adam Harvey Alan Doniger Aldo Gangemi Anne Washington Ari Schwartz Bede McCall Boubacar FOUMEKOYE Brand Niemann Brian Gryth Chris Beer Christopher Testa Clifford Thompson Cory Casanave Dalila Chiadmi Daniel Bennett Dave McAllister David Norheim David Osimo Don Brutzman Ed Summers Fadi Maali George Thomas Hugh Barnes Hugh Glaser Ilker Karakas Jacob Mumm Jamal Shahin James Hendler Jeremiah Albrant John Sheridan John Wonderlich Jonathan Gray José Alonso Juan Rodríguez Rodríguez Katie Haritos-Shea Ken Fischer Kendall Clark Kevin Novak Kurt Voelker Laila Benhlima Lanfranco Marasso Leigh Dodds Li Ding Luigi Selmi Malcolm Crompton Maria Fernandez Ruiz Martín Álvarez Mathew Gilliland Michael Aisenberg Michael Hausenblas Miguel Amutio Mohamed ZERGAOUI Oscar Azanon Esteire Owen Ambur Pasquale Popolizio Pietro Russo Rachel Flagg Richard Murphy Richard Cyganiak Rinke Hoekstra Roberto Castaldo Robin Berjon Samuel Deskin Sandro Hawke Sergey Lizin Sharron Rush Steve Harris Suzanne Acar Sylvia Webb Tanya Gupta Thomas Bandholtz Tom van Engers Trond Undheim Vagner Diniz Vassilios Peristeras Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot

Unknown jonphipps: zakim, +1.607.785.aajj is jonphipps

15:09:47 <Zakim> +jonphipps; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +jonphipps; got it

15:10:02 <mib_en6uda> who am i now?

Scribe problem: the name 'mib_en6uda' does not match any of the 78 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Adam Harvey Alan Doniger Aldo Gangemi Anne Washington Ari Schwartz Bede McCall Boubacar FOUMEKOYE Brand Niemann Brian Gryth Chris Beer Christopher Testa Clifford Thompson Cory Casanave Dalila Chiadmi Daniel Bennett Dave McAllister David Norheim David Osimo Don Brutzman Ed Summers Fadi Maali George Thomas Hugh Barnes Hugh Glaser Ilker Karakas Jacob Mumm Jamal Shahin James Hendler Jeremiah Albrant John Sheridan John Wonderlich Jonathan Gray José Alonso Juan Rodríguez Rodríguez Katie Haritos-Shea Ken Fischer Kendall Clark Kevin Novak Kurt Voelker Laila Benhlima Lanfranco Marasso Leigh Dodds Li Ding Luigi Selmi Malcolm Crompton Maria Fernandez Ruiz Martín Álvarez Mathew Gilliland Michael Aisenberg Michael Hausenblas Miguel Amutio Mohamed ZERGAOUI Oscar Azanon Esteire Owen Ambur Pasquale Popolizio Pietro Russo Rachel Flagg Richard Murphy Richard Cyganiak Rinke Hoekstra Roberto Castaldo Robin Berjon Samuel Deskin Sandro Hawke Sergey Lizin Sharron Rush Steve Harris Suzanne Acar Sylvia Webb Tanya Gupta Thomas Bandholtz Tom van Engers Trond Undheim Vagner Diniz Vassilios Peristeras Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot

Scribe problem: the name 'mib_en6uda' does not match any of the 78 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Adam Harvey Alan Doniger Aldo Gangemi Anne Washington Ari Schwartz Bede McCall Boubacar FOUMEKOYE Brand Niemann Brian Gryth Chris Beer Christopher Testa Clifford Thompson Cory Casanave Dalila Chiadmi Daniel Bennett Dave McAllister David Norheim David Osimo Don Brutzman Ed Summers Fadi Maali George Thomas Hugh Barnes Hugh Glaser Ilker Karakas Jacob Mumm Jamal Shahin James Hendler Jeremiah Albrant John Sheridan John Wonderlich Jonathan Gray José Alonso Juan Rodríguez Rodríguez Katie Haritos-Shea Ken Fischer Kendall Clark Kevin Novak Kurt Voelker Laila Benhlima Lanfranco Marasso Leigh Dodds Li Ding Luigi Selmi Malcolm Crompton Maria Fernandez Ruiz Martín Álvarez Mathew Gilliland Michael Aisenberg Michael Hausenblas Miguel Amutio Mohamed ZERGAOUI Oscar Azanon Esteire Owen Ambur Pasquale Popolizio Pietro Russo Rachel Flagg Richard Murphy Richard Cyganiak Rinke Hoekstra Roberto Castaldo Robin Berjon Samuel Deskin Sandro Hawke Sergey Lizin Sharron Rush Steve Harris Suzanne Acar Sylvia Webb Tanya Gupta Thomas Bandholtz Tom van Engers Trond Undheim Vagner Diniz Vassilios Peristeras Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot

Unknown mib_en6uda: who am i now?

15:10:20 <cygri> zakim, who is on the phone?

Richard Cyganiak: zakim, who is on the phone?

15:10:21 <Zakim> On the phone I see Sandro, Sunlight, ??P27, martin, George, Rich_Wolverton (muted), Erik, +0789798aaee (muted), cygri, Kate, +1.410.336.aahh, ??P48, +1.202.564.aaii, jonphipps

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see Sandro, Sunlight, ??P27, martin, George, Rich_Wolverton (muted), Erik, +0789798aaee (muted), cygri, Kate, +1.410.336.aahh, ??P48, +1.202.564.aaii, jonphipps

15:10:24 <Zakim> ... (muted), Cory

Zakim IRC Bot: ... (muted), Cory

15:10:24 <Zakim> cygri has cygri, fadi_

Zakim IRC Bot: cygri has cygri, fadi_

15:10:26 <Zakim> Sunlight has Luigi, David

Zakim IRC Bot: Sunlight has Luigi, David

15:10:34 <ww> william waites here +44 789 798 9965 from OKF

Scribe problem: the name 'ww' does not match any of the 78 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Adam Harvey Alan Doniger Aldo Gangemi Anne Washington Ari Schwartz Bede McCall Boubacar FOUMEKOYE Brand Niemann Brian Gryth Chris Beer Christopher Testa Clifford Thompson Cory Casanave Dalila Chiadmi Daniel Bennett Dave McAllister David Norheim David Osimo Don Brutzman Ed Summers Fadi Maali George Thomas Hugh Barnes Hugh Glaser Ilker Karakas Jacob Mumm Jamal Shahin James Hendler Jeremiah Albrant John Sheridan John Wonderlich Jonathan Gray José Alonso Juan Rodríguez Rodríguez Katie Haritos-Shea Ken Fischer Kendall Clark Kevin Novak Kurt Voelker Laila Benhlima Lanfranco Marasso Leigh Dodds Li Ding Luigi Selmi Malcolm Crompton Maria Fernandez Ruiz Martín Álvarez Mathew Gilliland Michael Aisenberg Michael Hausenblas Miguel Amutio Mohamed ZERGAOUI Oscar Azanon Esteire Owen Ambur Pasquale Popolizio Pietro Russo Rachel Flagg Richard Murphy Richard Cyganiak Rinke Hoekstra Roberto Castaldo Robin Berjon Samuel Deskin Sandro Hawke Sergey Lizin Sharron Rush Steve Harris Suzanne Acar Sylvia Webb Tanya Gupta Thomas Bandholtz Tom van Engers Trond Undheim Vagner Diniz Vassilios Peristeras Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot

Scribe problem: the name 'ww' does not match any of the 78 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Adam Harvey Alan Doniger Aldo Gangemi Anne Washington Ari Schwartz Bede McCall Boubacar FOUMEKOYE Brand Niemann Brian Gryth Chris Beer Christopher Testa Clifford Thompson Cory Casanave Dalila Chiadmi Daniel Bennett Dave McAllister David Norheim David Osimo Don Brutzman Ed Summers Fadi Maali George Thomas Hugh Barnes Hugh Glaser Ilker Karakas Jacob Mumm Jamal Shahin James Hendler Jeremiah Albrant John Sheridan John Wonderlich Jonathan Gray José Alonso Juan Rodríguez Rodríguez Katie Haritos-Shea Ken Fischer Kendall Clark Kevin Novak Kurt Voelker Laila Benhlima Lanfranco Marasso Leigh Dodds Li Ding Luigi Selmi Malcolm Crompton Maria Fernandez Ruiz Martín Álvarez Mathew Gilliland Michael Aisenberg Michael Hausenblas Miguel Amutio Mohamed ZERGAOUI Oscar Azanon Esteire Owen Ambur Pasquale Popolizio Pietro Russo Rachel Flagg Richard Murphy Richard Cyganiak Rinke Hoekstra Roberto Castaldo Robin Berjon Samuel Deskin Sandro Hawke Sergey Lizin Sharron Rush Steve Harris Suzanne Acar Sylvia Webb Tanya Gupta Thomas Bandholtz Tom van Engers Trond Undheim Vagner Diniz Vassilios Peristeras Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot

Unknown ww: william waites here +44 789 798 9965 from OKF

15:10:46 <li> hi this is Li Ding from RPI

Li Ding: hi this is Li Ding from RPI

15:11:02 <li> I cannot join the telecon as I have a conflict telecon right now

Li Ding: I cannot join the telecon as I have a conflict telecon right now

15:11:24 <li> but I will stay in IRC, would there be anyone help scribing the conversation?

Li Ding: but I will stay in IRC, would there be anyone help scribing the conversation?

15:11:44 <sandro> topic:  New introductions

1. New introductions

15:11:46 <Zakim> -Cory

Zakim IRC Bot: -Cory

15:11:52 <mib_en6uda> it seems like i am unable to get a useful user name... so this weird identity is me: Erik Wilde

Scribe problem: the name 'mib_en6uda' does not match any of the 78 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Adam Harvey Alan Doniger Aldo Gangemi Anne Washington Ari Schwartz Bede McCall Boubacar FOUMEKOYE Brand Niemann Brian Gryth Chris Beer Christopher Testa Clifford Thompson Cory Casanave Dalila Chiadmi Daniel Bennett Dave McAllister David Norheim David Osimo Don Brutzman Ed Summers Fadi Maali George Thomas Hugh Barnes Hugh Glaser Ilker Karakas Jacob Mumm Jamal Shahin James Hendler Jeremiah Albrant John Sheridan John Wonderlich Jonathan Gray José Alonso Juan Rodríguez Rodríguez Katie Haritos-Shea Ken Fischer Kendall Clark Kevin Novak Kurt Voelker Laila Benhlima Lanfranco Marasso Leigh Dodds Li Ding Luigi Selmi Malcolm Crompton Maria Fernandez Ruiz Martín Álvarez Mathew Gilliland Michael Aisenberg Michael Hausenblas Miguel Amutio Mohamed ZERGAOUI Oscar Azanon Esteire Owen Ambur Pasquale Popolizio Pietro Russo Rachel Flagg Richard Murphy Richard Cyganiak Rinke Hoekstra Roberto Castaldo Robin Berjon Samuel Deskin Sandro Hawke Sergey Lizin Sharron Rush Steve Harris Suzanne Acar Sylvia Webb Tanya Gupta Thomas Bandholtz Tom van Engers Trond Undheim Vagner Diniz Vassilios Peristeras Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot

Scribe problem: the name 'mib_en6uda' does not match any of the 78 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Adam Harvey Alan Doniger Aldo Gangemi Anne Washington Ari Schwartz Bede McCall Boubacar FOUMEKOYE Brand Niemann Brian Gryth Chris Beer Christopher Testa Clifford Thompson Cory Casanave Dalila Chiadmi Daniel Bennett Dave McAllister David Norheim David Osimo Don Brutzman Ed Summers Fadi Maali George Thomas Hugh Barnes Hugh Glaser Ilker Karakas Jacob Mumm Jamal Shahin James Hendler Jeremiah Albrant John Sheridan John Wonderlich Jonathan Gray José Alonso Juan Rodríguez Rodríguez Katie Haritos-Shea Ken Fischer Kendall Clark Kevin Novak Kurt Voelker Laila Benhlima Lanfranco Marasso Leigh Dodds Li Ding Luigi Selmi Malcolm Crompton Maria Fernandez Ruiz Martín Álvarez Mathew Gilliland Michael Aisenberg Michael Hausenblas Miguel Amutio Mohamed ZERGAOUI Oscar Azanon Esteire Owen Ambur Pasquale Popolizio Pietro Russo Rachel Flagg Richard Murphy Richard Cyganiak Rinke Hoekstra Roberto Castaldo Robin Berjon Samuel Deskin Sandro Hawke Sergey Lizin Sharron Rush Steve Harris Suzanne Acar Sylvia Webb Tanya Gupta Thomas Bandholtz Tom van Engers Trond Undheim Vagner Diniz Vassilios Peristeras Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot

Unknown mib_en6uda: it seems like i am unable to get a useful user name... so this weird identity is me: Erik Wilde

15:12:09 <Zakim> +??P10

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P10

15:12:10 <sandro> sandro

sandro

15:12:12 <sandro> david james

david james

15:12:39 <Cory> Zakim, ??p10 is Cory

Cory Casanave: Zakim, ??p10 is Cory

15:12:39 <Zakim> +Cory; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +Cory; got it

15:12:40 <sandro> luigi

luigi

15:12:42 <sandro> Martín Álvarez

Martín Álvarez

15:12:56 <edsu> mib_en6uda: /nick dret ?

Scribe problem: the name 'mib_en6uda' does not match any of the 78 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Adam Harvey Alan Doniger Aldo Gangemi Anne Washington Ari Schwartz Bede McCall Boubacar FOUMEKOYE Brand Niemann Brian Gryth Chris Beer Christopher Testa Clifford Thompson Cory Casanave Dalila Chiadmi Daniel Bennett Dave McAllister David Norheim David Osimo Don Brutzman Ed Summers Fadi Maali George Thomas Hugh Barnes Hugh Glaser Ilker Karakas Jacob Mumm Jamal Shahin James Hendler Jeremiah Albrant John Sheridan John Wonderlich Jonathan Gray José Alonso Juan Rodríguez Rodríguez Katie Haritos-Shea Ken Fischer Kendall Clark Kevin Novak Kurt Voelker Laila Benhlima Lanfranco Marasso Leigh Dodds Li Ding Luigi Selmi Malcolm Crompton Maria Fernandez Ruiz Martín Álvarez Mathew Gilliland Michael Aisenberg Michael Hausenblas Miguel Amutio Mohamed ZERGAOUI Oscar Azanon Esteire Owen Ambur Pasquale Popolizio Pietro Russo Rachel Flagg Richard Murphy Richard Cyganiak Rinke Hoekstra Roberto Castaldo Robin Berjon Samuel Deskin Sandro Hawke Sergey Lizin Sharron Rush Steve Harris Suzanne Acar Sylvia Webb Tanya Gupta Thomas Bandholtz Tom van Engers Trond Undheim Vagner Diniz Vassilios Peristeras Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot

Unknown mib_en6uda: /nick dret ? [ Scribe Assist by Ed Summers ]

15:13:10 <mib_en6uda> yes, that would nice...

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Unknown mib_en6uda: yes, that would nice...

15:13:26 <dret> aha! thanks, @edau

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Unknown dret: aha! thanks, @edau

15:13:29 <sandro> George Thomas

George Thomas

15:13:35 <edsu> dret: sure :-)

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Unknown dret: sure :-) [ Scribe Assist by Ed Summers ]

15:13:58 <edsu> sandro: does an oeprator eventually answer? i've been waiting about 3 mins

Sandro Hawke: does an oeprator eventually answer? i've been waiting about 3 mins [ Scribe Assist by Ed Summers ]

15:13:59 <RichW> Rich Wolverton from Comm of Mass Supporting ODI

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Unknown RichW: Rich Wolverton from Comm of Mass Supporting ODI

15:14:01 <sandro> Rich_Wolverton

Rich_Wolverton

15:14:25 <sandro> sorry, edsu there's just one and she must have stepped away from her desk.  :-(

sorry, edsu there's just one and she must have stepped away from her desk. :-(

15:14:44 <sandro> edsu, I've pinged people in the offices near her to see if they can find her.

edsu, I've pinged people in the offices near her to see if they can find her.

15:14:52 <sandro> Erik Wilde

Erik Wilde

15:15:00 <edsu> ok, no worries .... i'll hang on the line

Ed Summers: ok, no worries .... i'll hang on the line

15:15:27 <sandro> Richard Cyganiak,

Richard Cyganiak,

15:15:33 <sandro> zakim, who is talking?

zakim, who is talking?

15:15:44 <sandro> Fadi Maali

Fadi Maali

15:15:44 <Zakim> sandro, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Cory (14%), ??P27 (17%), cygri (36%), jonphipps (9%)

Zakim IRC Bot: sandro, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Cory (14%), ??P27 (17%), cygri (36%), jonphipps (9%)

15:16:01 <sandro> Kate Geyer

Kate Geyer

15:16:24 <sandro> Jon Phipps

Jon Phipps

15:16:47 <sandro> Cory Casanave

Cory Casanave

15:16:56 <vassilios> Vassilios Peristeras from the DERI team

Vassilios Peristeras: Vassilios Peristeras from the DERI team

15:17:03 <sandro> Brand Neimann

Brand Neimann

15:17:28 <sandro> Niklas Lindström

Niklas Lindström

15:17:38 <Zakim> +[LC]

Zakim IRC Bot: +[LC]

15:17:49 <edsu> Zakim, LC is edsu

Ed Summers: Zakim, LC is edsu

15:17:49 <Zakim> +edsu; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +edsu; got it

15:17:50 <sandro> Dan Thomas, DC

Dan Thomas, DC

15:19:13 <sandro> William

William

15:19:54 <sandro> next-scribe:  Ed

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Unknown next-scribe: Ed

15:20:16 <sandro> agenda: http://www.w3.org/egov/wiki/Data_Catalog_Vocabulary/2010-04-22
15:20:33 <sandro> topic: Presentations of existing work

2. Presentations of existing work

15:21:21 <sandro> please keep it short -- 3 to 5 minutes, pointers to more details

please keep it short -- 3 to 5 minutes, pointers to more details

15:21:27 <edsu> http://www.w3.org/egov/wiki/Data_Catalog_Vocabulary/DC-SKOS

Ed Summers: http://www.w3.org/egov/wiki/Data_Catalog_Vocabulary/DC-SKOS

15:21:37 <sandro> subtopic: Ed Summers, Brief Intro to Dublin Core and SKOS

2.1. Ed Summers, Brief Intro to Dublin Core and SKOS

15:22:11 <sandro> (page looks great, Ed)

(page looks great, Ed)

15:22:25 <sandro> edsu: I imagine most folks are familiar with DC and SKOS

Ed Summers: I imagine most folks are familiar with DC and SKOS

15:22:44 <sandro> edsu: DC started in 1995 to create a core set of elements to describe documents in the internet

Ed Summers: DC started in 1995 to create a core set of elements to describe documents in the internet

15:23:06 <sandro> edsu: ... workshop in Dublin, Ohio.   13 elements.  Meeting every years since then.

Ed Summers: ... workshop in Dublin, Ohio. 13 elements. Meeting every years since then.

15:23:16 <sandro> ... turned into IETF and NISO/ISO standards

... turned into IETF and NISO/ISO standards

15:23:32 <sandro> ... co-evolved with RDF, due to people like Eric Miller

... co-evolved with RDF, due to people like Eric Miller

15:23:53 <sandro> ... DC has its own "Abstract Model", the way they make descriptions, very similar to RDF model

... DC has its own "Abstract Model", the way they make descriptions, very similar to RDF model

15:24:08 <sandro> ... expresses vocabulary in RDF,  (DC Terms)

... expresses vocabulary in RDF, (DC Terms)

15:24:27 <sandro> ... I have links to how widely it's used.

... I have links to how widely it's used.

15:24:42 <DavidJames> I'm having trouble logging into the wiki. When the meeting is over, perhaps someone can help?

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Unknown DavidJames: I'm having trouble logging into the wiki. When the meeting is over, perhaps someone can help?

15:25:39 <Zakim> -martin

Zakim IRC Bot: -martin

15:25:41 <sandro> edsu: SKOS.   1999, mostly through EU projects.   in 2004 moved to W3C.   Jon Phipps was part of that.

Ed Summers: SKOS. 1999, mostly through EU projects. in 2004 moved to W3C. Jon Phipps was part of that.

15:25:58 <sandro> ... defined in "SKOS Reference"   A W3C Recommendation in 2009.

... defined in "SKOS Reference" A W3C Recommendation in 2009.

15:26:42 <danbri> (the work started in DESIRE EU project - http://www.desire.org/html/research/deliverables/D3.6/d36b.html ... then Limber and SWAD-Europe. Thanks, EU taxpayers...)

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Unknown danbri: (the work started in DESIRE EU project - http://www.desire.org/html/research/deliverables/D3.6/d36b.html ... then Limber and SWAD-Europe. Thanks, EU taxpayers...)

15:26:44 <sandro> ... People with various controlled vocabs; skos lets them easily mint URIs for them, without re-engineering that whole information space (eg to fit into OWL).   Lightweight way to get existing data of that sort onto the web.

... People with various controlled vocabs; skos lets them easily mint URIs for them, without re-engineering that whole information space (eg to fit into OWL). Lightweight way to get existing data of that sort onto the web.

15:27:02 <sandro> ... see examples on the web page.     http://www.w3.org/egov/wiki/Data_Catalog_Vocabulary/DC-SKOS

... see examples on the web page. http://www.w3.org/egov/wiki/Data_Catalog_Vocabulary/DC-SKOS

15:27:40 <fadi_> http://www.w3.org/egov/wiki/Data_Catalog_Vocabulary/DERI_dcat_Demonstrator

Fadi Maali: http://www.w3.org/egov/wiki/Data_Catalog_Vocabulary/DERI_dcat_Demonstrator

15:27:43 <sandro> subtopic: DERI's dcat, Fadi

2.2. DERI's dcat, Fadi

15:28:09 <sandro> fadi: dcat is an RDF vocabulary to represent government data catalogs.

Fadi Maali: dcat is an RDF vocabulary to represent government data catalogs.

15:28:26 <sandro> ... design was informed by analyzing existing catalogs.

... design was informed by analyzing existing catalogs.

15:28:40 <sandro> ... we looked at what attributes existing catalogs used

... we looked at what attributes existing catalogs used

15:28:54 <sandro> ... then we looked at the data, to see how consistently it was used

... then we looked at the data, to see how consistently it was used

15:29:06 <sandro> ... main entities are Dataset and Catalog

... main entities are Dataset and Catalog

15:29:15 <ww> question re: dcat:granularity could perhaps be dcat:spatialGranularity and dcat:temporalGranularity?

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Unknown ww: question re: dcat:granularity could perhaps be dcat:spatialGranularity and dcat:temporalGranularity?

15:29:39 <sandro> ... we tried to use skos:Concept

... we tried to use skos:Concept

15:29:59 <sandro> zakim, who is talking?

zakim, who is talking?

15:30:11 <Zakim> sandro, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: ??P27 (13%), cygri (37%)

Zakim IRC Bot: sandro, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: ??P27 (13%), cygri (37%)

15:30:27 <sandro> subtopic:   CTIC's Dataset Catalog Vocabulary and “meta-catalog” (Martin)

2.3. CTIC's Dataset Catalog Vocabulary and “meta-catalog” (Martin)

15:30:33 <sandro> martin???

martin???

15:30:40 <sandro> zakim, where is martin?

zakim, where is martin?

15:30:40 <Zakim> sorry, sandro, I do not understand your question

Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, sandro, I do not understand your question

15:30:42 <martin> I cannot connect to the conference, Zakim sais that it's full

Martín Álvarez: I cannot connect to the conference, Zakim sais that it's full

15:30:54 <sandro> martin, press *0 to get the operator to add you

martin, press *0 to get the operator to add you

15:31:11 <lindstream> Re. distribution/updates: quite orthogonal. I like how dady extends void with that.

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Unknown lindstream: Re. distribution/updates: quite orthogonal. I like how dady extends void with that.

15:31:26 <sandro> if you can't get in, we'll do your presesntation next week.    so sorry for not having enough space today.

if you can't get in, we'll do your presesntation next week. so sorry for not having enough space today.

15:31:41 <LuigiMontanez> http://nationaldatacatalog.com/

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Unknown LuigiMontanez: http://nationaldatacatalog.com/

15:31:41 <sandro> subtopic: Sunlight Labs API proposal (David, Luigi)

2.4. Sunlight Labs API proposal (David, Luigi)

15:31:43 <martin> I'm trying to contact an operator

Martín Álvarez: I'm trying to contact an operator

15:32:02 <sandro> DavidJames: National Data Catalog

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Unknown DavidJames: National Data Catalog

15:32:03 <Zakim> +martin

Zakim IRC Bot: +martin

15:32:15 <LuigiMontanez> http://wiki.sunlightlabs.com/Government_Data_Catalog_Guidelines

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Unknown LuigiMontanez: http://wiki.sunlightlabs.com/Government_Data_Catalog_Guidelines

15:32:25 <sandro> DavidJames: We're looking for a few things.

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Unknown DavidJames: We're looking for a few things.

15:32:30 <sandro> ... being ReSTful

... being ReSTful

15:32:50 <sandro> ... We view RDF as one way to express our data, but we're also looking for other formats

... We view RDF as one way to express our data, but we're also looking for other formats

15:33:23 <sandro> ... developers really gravidate to lightweight solutions, and don't feel like RDF is worthwhile, from what they can tell.

... developers really gravidate to lightweight solutions, and don't feel like RDF is worthwhile, from what they can tell.

15:33:43 <sandro> ... We're planning to add RDF support down the right, but at this point our key job is building buy-in

... We're planning to add RDF support down the right, but at this point our key job is building buy-in

15:33:57 <sandro> ... We think the RDF community really understand how to make the data interoperable

... We think the RDF community really understand how to make the data interoperable

15:34:12 <sandro> ... We want to adopt principals of RDF, even if we're not using the RDF formats right now.

... We want to adopt principals of RDF, even if we're not using the RDF formats right now.

15:34:41 <sandro> topic: Atom and dataset updates

3. Atom and dataset updates

15:34:47 <sandro> zakim, who is talking?

zakim, who is talking?

15:34:54 <Cory> Could whoever is typing mute please!

Cory Casanave: Could whoever is typing mute please!

15:34:58 <Zakim> sandro, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: ??P27 (26%), cygri (60%), jonphipps (20%)

Zakim IRC Bot: sandro, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: ??P27 (26%), cygri (60%), jonphipps (20%)

15:35:13 <sandro> cygri: What are the reasons we should consider other solutions?   Are there things not easily covered by RDF?

Richard Cyganiak: What are the reasons we should consider other solutions? Are there things not easily covered by RDF?

15:35:23 <sandro> zakim, who is talking?

zakim, who is talking?

15:35:30 <edsu> uhoh

Ed Summers: uhoh

15:35:32 <LuigiMontanez> cannot hear

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Unknown LuigiMontanez: cannot hear

15:35:34 <Zakim> sandro, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: ??P27 (18%), cygri (49%)

Zakim IRC Bot: sandro, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: ??P27 (18%), cygri (49%)

15:35:36 <vassilios> +1

Vassilios Peristeras: +1

15:35:41 <dret> terrible noise

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Unknown dret: terrible noise

15:35:42 <sandro> zakim, mute ??P27

zakim, mute ??P27

15:35:42 <Zakim> ??P27 should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: ??P27 should now be muted

15:35:48 <DavidJames> We are being jammed by touch tones

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Unknown DavidJames: We are being jammed by touch tones

15:35:54 <edsu> damn!

Ed Summers: damn!

15:36:05 <sandro> zakim, who is talking?

zakim, who is talking?

15:36:15 <Zakim> sandro, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: martin (3%), Sandro (46%), cygri (35%)

Zakim IRC Bot: sandro, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: martin (3%), Sandro (46%), cygri (35%)

15:36:27 <sandro> q+

q+

15:36:42 <sandro> q- Rich_Wolverton

q- Rich_Wolverton

15:37:48 <sandro> LuigiMontanez: It's mostly the tooling, as a developer.   As a ruby or python developer.  We're used to working with twitter or facebook API.

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Unknown LuigiMontanez: It's mostly the tooling, as a developer. As a ruby or python developer. We're used to working with twitter or facebook API.

15:37:52 <dan> JSON is a notation scheme, RDF is structure.  here is example of RDF in JSON notation: http://n2.talis.com/wiki/RDF_JSON_Specification

Daniel Bennett: JSON is a notation scheme, RDF is structure. here is example of RDF in JSON notation: http://n2.talis.com/wiki/RDF_JSON_Specification

15:38:03 <sandro> ... they don't tread into RDF world, even though it might be good for them, too.

... they don't tread into RDF world, even though it might be good for them, too.

15:38:23 <sandro> ... it's not that RDF is more complicated; it's about the tooling.

... it's not that RDF is more complicated; it's about the tooling.

15:38:37 <sandro> ... ckan is the only one I know of.

... ckan is the only one I know of.

15:38:45 <sandro> ack sandro

ack sandro

15:38:49 <DavidJames> I just added a section called "Context / Philosophy" to http://wiki.sunlightlabs.com/Government_Data_Catalog_Guidelines

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Unknown DavidJames: I just added a section called "Context / Philosophy" to http://wiki.sunlightlabs.com/Government_Data_Catalog_Guidelines

15:38:50 <ww> dan: we've experimented with some success storing rdf/json in mongodb

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Daniel Bennett: we've experimented with some success storing rdf/json in mongodb [ Scribe Assist by Unknown ww ]

15:38:52 <sandro> http://code.google.com/p/linked-data-api/

http://code.google.com/p/linked-data-api/

15:40:05 <lindstream> ww: cool

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Unknown ww: cool [ Scribe Assist by Unknown lindstream ]

15:40:35 <sandro> sandro: linked-data-api might be a good solution here   [details]

Sandro Hawke: linked-data-api might be a good solution here [details]

15:40:51 <sandro> cygri: are you thinking about govt agencies, or developer/users?

Richard Cyganiak: are you thinking about govt agencies, or developer/users?

15:41:01 <sandro> DavidJames: Both.

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Unknown DavidJames: Both.

15:41:12 <dan> ww: similarly working on crime summary vocab using this approach: http://www.ipublic.org/wiki/Crime_summary_vocabulary

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Unknown ww: similarly working on crime summary vocab using this approach: http://www.ipublic.org/wiki/Crime_summary_vocabulary [ Scribe Assist by Daniel Bennett ]

15:41:15 <sandro> DavidJames: The govt agency usually just wants to make a website.

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Unknown DavidJames: The govt agency usually just wants to make a website.

15:41:27 <sandro> ... they say "Well, how do we provide the data/api"?

... they say "Well, how do we provide the data/api"?

15:41:32 <DavidJames> Actually, LuigiMontanez is talking :)

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Unknown DavidJames: Actually, LuigiMontanez is talking :)

15:41:38 <sandro> ... we say use existing/popular techniques

... we say use existing/popular techniques

15:41:44 <sandro> ... socrata [?]

... socrata [?]

15:42:00 <sandro> ... municipalities can get started very quickly that way

... municipalities can get started very quickly that way

15:42:30 <sandro> ... at sunlight we try to convcince gocts to put their data on line.    we want to tell them to do the easiest thing for them, and unforunately right now, that's not RDF.

... at sunlight we try to convcince gocts to put their data on line. we want to tell them to do the easiest thing for them, and unforunately right now, that's not RDF.

15:42:59 <sandro> cygri: Quite a few catalogs are using simple structured forms, pre web, CSV.      eg data.gov.

Richard Cyganiak: Quite a few catalogs are using simple structured forms, pre web, CSV. eg data.gov.

15:43:14 <sandro> cygri: So you want to go one step beyond this, eg json, xml.

Richard Cyganiak: So you want to go one step beyond this, eg json, xml.

15:43:37 <sandro> DavidJames: We're also looking for interop.   I think that's where RDF really shines.

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Unknown DavidJames: We're also looking for interop. I think that's where RDF really shines.

15:43:56 <sandro> DavidJames: let's create this RDF spec, but make it easy for agencies and developers to adopt it.

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Unknown DavidJames: let's create this RDF spec, but make it easy for agencies and developers to adopt it.

15:44:01 <sandro> +1 sounds great!

+1 sounds great!

15:44:14 <sandro> [oops, that was Luigi, not David.]

[oops, that was Luigi, not David.]

15:44:40 <li> we have been playing around with CSV based catalog at  data.gov

Li Ding: we have been playing around with CSV based catalog at data.gov

15:44:51 <sandro> DavidJames: Gov't agencies are ... somewhat behind.    Permanent URLs would be great.   Feeds would be great.

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Unknown DavidJames: Gov't agencies are ... somewhat behind. Permanent URLs would be great. Feeds would be great.

15:44:55 <Cory> +q

Cory Casanave: +q

15:45:05 <sandro> DavidJames: THEN we can push for RDF, etc.   There's a LOT to do.

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Unknown DavidJames: THEN we can push for RDF, etc. There's a LOT to do.

15:45:17 <li> at RPI. and there are some imperfect entries

Li Ding: at RPI. and there are some imperfect entries

15:45:21 <sandro> DavidJames: We want to be careful about what we ask for.    Short term + Long Term.

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Unknown DavidJames: We want to be careful about what we ask for. Short term + Long Term.

15:45:31 <sandro> ack DavidJames

ack DavidJames

15:45:39 <sandro> cygri: Great concrete requirements

Richard Cyganiak: Great concrete requirements

15:45:50 <sandro> cygri:What do you mean "feeds".  In which sense?

Richard Cyganiak: What do you mean "feeds". In which sense?

15:46:01 <li> for short time goal, we should consider work out a minimal set of vocabulary agreed by all

Li Ding: for short time goal, we should consider work out a minimal set of vocabulary agreed by all

15:46:07 <li> and promote it

Li Ding: and promote it

15:46:12 <sandro> DavidJames:  Something that makes it easy for automatic importers, so it's easy to see when a record has changed.

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Unknown DavidJames: Something that makes it easy for automatic importers, so it's easy to see when a record has changed.

15:46:39 <sandro> cygri: To be able to sync, to keep up with changes, which of 3000 data sets have changed in last week

Richard Cyganiak: To be able to sync, to keep up with changes, which of 3000 data sets have changed in last week

15:47:09 <sandro> LuigiMontanez: Yes.   To see which data sets have updated, and so developer knows when to pull and update their copy of the data.

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Unknown LuigiMontanez: Yes. To see which data sets have updated, and so developer knows when to pull and update their copy of the data.

15:47:14 <cygri> ack Cory

Richard Cyganiak: ack Cory

15:47:44 <George> you meant 'normal xml'

George Thomas: you meant 'normal xml'

15:47:56 <sandro> Cory: In making RDF, in the short term, the striped data format often gets overlooked.     RDF *CAN* be written (striped) to look like normal XML, with an XML schema, and processed with normal XML tools.   But it's ALSO normal RDF.

Cory Casanave: In making RDF, in the short term, the striped data format often gets overlooked. RDF *CAN* be written (striped) to look like normal XML, with an XML schema, and processed with normal XML tools. But it's ALSO normal RDF.

15:48:07 <LuigiMontanez> http://www.stripesframework.org/display/stripes/Home

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Unknown LuigiMontanez: http://www.stripesframework.org/display/stripes/Home

15:48:10 <sandro> +1 cory      using constrained RDF/XML is nice.

+1 cory using constrained RDF/XML is nice.

15:48:21 <lindstream> have you seen: http://code.google.com/p/oort/wiki/Grit ? (self-promotion ;] )

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Unknown lindstream: have you seen: http://code.google.com/p/oort/wiki/Grit ? (self-promotion ;] )

15:48:25 <sandro> George, I'm sure he did.

George, I'm sure he did.

15:48:52 <LuigiMontanez> Oops, think my link was wrong

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Unknown LuigiMontanez: Oops, think my link was wrong

15:49:00 <sandro> cygri: yes, regular serialization is one approach.      GRDDL is another way.

Richard Cyganiak: yes, regular serialization is one approach. GRDDL is another way.

15:49:02 <lindstream> +q

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Unknown lindstream: +q

15:49:04 <LuigiMontanez> This look more correct as to what Cory was referring: http://www.w3.org/2001/10/stripes/

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Unknown LuigiMontanez: This look more correct as to what Cory was referring: http://www.w3.org/2001/10/stripes/

15:49:19 <sandro> cygri: Also RDFa

Richard Cyganiak: Also RDFa

15:49:34 <sandro> cygri: Allows one to parse RDF graph out of HTML page.

Richard Cyganiak: Allows one to parse RDF graph out of HTML page.

15:49:38 <George> +1 Cory and cygri - developers need some schoolin'

George Thomas: +1 Cory and cygri - developers need some schoolin'

15:49:39 <li> regarding to the changes in data.gov, we even use twitter to publish the changes https://twitter.com/datagovwiki

Li Ding: regarding to the changes in data.gov, we even use twitter to publish the changes https://twitter.com/datagovwiki

15:49:55 <sandro> cygri: Ways to bridge RDF and what developers want.

Richard Cyganiak: Ways to bridge RDF and what developers want.

15:50:05 <sandro> ack lindstream

ack lindstream

15:50:13 <edsu> lindstream: you on the call?

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Unknown lindstream: you on the call? [ Scribe Assist by Ed Summers ]

15:50:18 <sandro> lindstream....

lindstream....

15:50:30 <lindstream> i hear you, you don't hear me?

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Unknown lindstream: i hear you, you don't hear me?

15:50:31 <sandro> zakim, who is muted?

zakim, who is muted?

15:50:31 <Zakim> I see ??P27, Rich_Wolverton, +0789798aaee muted

Zakim IRC Bot: I see ??P27, Rich_Wolverton, +0789798aaee muted

15:50:56 <sandro> zakim, unmute ??P27

zakim, unmute ??P27

15:50:56 <Zakim> ??P27 should no longer be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: ??P27 should no longer be muted

15:51:05 <edsu> sandro++

Ed Summers: sandro++

15:51:35 <Cory> luigu - yes,  http://www.w3.org/2001/10/stripes/ is it - often overlooked as a bridge.  What this doesn't say is that it can also have an XSD

Cory Casanave: luigu - yes, http://www.w3.org/2001/10/stripes/ is it - often overlooked as a bridge. What this doesn't say is that it can also have an XSD

15:51:59 <sandro> lindstream: Regarding formats, that's a very important point.     Not trick people into producing RDF, but make it transparent for them.  They do namespaced XML and it just happens to be RDF.   That's what I proposed with GRIT, a normalized RDF.

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Unknown lindstream: Regarding formats, that's a very important point. Not trick people into producing RDF, but make it transparent for them. They do namespaced XML and it just happens to be RDF. That's what I proposed with GRIT, a normalized RDF.

15:52:13 <sandro> (I call this "rigid RDF" myself.)

(I call this "rigid RDF" myself.)

15:52:24 <ww> support for serialising striped xml in the usual tools?

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Unknown ww: support for serialising striped xml in the usual tools?

15:52:27 <li> AT RPI we have already experimenting RDFa for metadata publishing, here is an example http://data-gov.tw.rpi.edu/wiki/Dataset_34, and the parsed RDFa can be found at http://data-gov.tw.rpi.edu/ws/lodcx.php?url=http%3A%2F%2Fdata-gov.tw.rpi.edu%2Fwiki%2FDataset_34&operation=test. Further more, the RDFa data can be used to enrich search result, e.g. http://dat

Li Ding: AT RPI we have already experimenting RDFa for metadata publishing, here is an example http://data-gov.tw.rpi.edu/wiki/Dataset_34, and the parsed RDFa can be found at http://data-gov.tw.rpi.edu/ws/lodcx.php?url=http%3A%2F%2Fdata-gov.tw.rpi.edu%2Fwiki%2FDataset_34&operation=test. Further more, the RDFa data can be used to enrich search result, e.g. http://dat

15:52:34 <li> http://data-gov.tw.rpi.edu/ws/lodcs.php?query=earthquake

Li Ding: http://data-gov.tw.rpi.edu/ws/lodcs.php?query=earthquake

15:52:57 <sandro> cygri: note on IRC the RPI examples

Richard Cyganiak: note on IRC the RPI examples

15:53:05 <sandro> cygri: Opinions on RDFa?

Richard Cyganiak: Opinions on RDFa?

15:53:27 <sandro> q+ to comment on dcat scope

q+ to comment on dcat scope

15:53:38 <sandro> cygri: Is RDF acceptable to folks?

Richard Cyganiak: Is RDF acceptable to folks?

15:53:47 <sandro> zakim, mute ??P27

zakim, mute ??P27

15:53:47 <Zakim> ??P27 should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: ??P27 should now be muted

15:53:56 <lindstream> I like RDFa a lot, but's afaik it can only be viewed with an "RDF eye"

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Unknown lindstream: I like RDFa a lot, but's afaik it can only be viewed with an "RDF eye"

15:54:01 <sandro> zakim, ??P27 is lindstream

zakim, ??P27 is lindstream

15:54:01 <Zakim> +lindstream; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +lindstream; got it

15:54:07 <sandro> lindstream, I muted you because of noise

lindstream, I muted you because of noise

15:54:42 <lindstream> (sandro: my line is very poor right now)

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Unknown lindstream: (sandro: my line is very poor right now)

15:54:44 <sandro> someone: data.gov.uk rdfa is made by drupal front-end, it's completelye disconnected from backend rdf store

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Unknown someone: data.gov.uk rdfa is made by drupal front-end, it's completelye disconnected from backend rdf store

15:55:03 <vassilios> who said this?

Vassilios Peristeras: who said this?

15:55:05 <sandro> someone_else: that's unfortunately

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Unknown William_else: that's unfortunately

15:55:13 <DavidJames> Luigi and I are taking a look at some fairly recent open source code for Ruby and RDF here: http://github.com/bendiken/rdf

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Unknown DavidJames: Luigi and I are taking a look at some fairly recent open source code for Ruby and RDF here: http://github.com/bendiken/rdf

15:55:55 <sandro> s/someone/William
15:56:04 <sandro> q?

q?

15:56:09 <li> At RPI, we add an extension to semantic wiki to export the backend RDF into RDFa

Li Ding: At RPI, we add an extension to semantic wiki to export the backend RDF into RDFa

15:56:33 <li> there are a little bit issues on usage of vocabulary, because RDFa consumers are more picky

Li Ding: there are a little bit issues on usage of vocabulary, because RDFa consumers are more picky

15:56:39 <edsu> q+ to suggest dcat+rdfa note

Ed Summers: q+ to suggest dcat+rdfa note

15:56:48 <li> e.g. yahoo and google are taking different RDFa vocabulary

Li Ding: e.g. yahoo and google are taking different RDFa vocabulary

15:56:48 <sandro> cyg: is there somewhere easy to start, here?

Richard Cyganiak: is there somewhere easy to start, here?

15:57:10 <sandro> cyg: the updates/feeds issue was interesting.  I don';t know how to handle that in pure RDF environment.

Richard Cyganiak: the updates/feeds issue was interesting. I don';t know how to handle that in pure RDF environment.

15:57:20 <sandro> q?

q?

15:57:42 <li> if we want to get major search engines to take the RDFa, we should probably convince them the value of RDFa vocabulary

Li Ding: if we want to get major search engines to take the RDFa, we should probably convince them the value of RDFa vocabulary

15:57:56 <sandro> cygri: I also wanted to talk about scope for this group.  What do we want to deliver, what are the artificacts?

Richard Cyganiak: I also wanted to talk about scope for this group. What do we want to deliver, what are the artificacts?

15:58:08 <sandro> cyg: 1.  Nail down a vocabulary, in a vocab reference document

Richard Cyganiak: 1. Nail down a vocabulary, in a vocab reference document

15:58:27 <sandro> ... 2. Implementor's guide, telling folks how to use it in practice.

... 2. Implementor's guide, telling folks how to use it in practice.

15:58:41 <sandro> ... 3.  perhaps a Demonstrator

... 3. perhaps a Demonstrator

15:59:11 <sandro> ... 4.  Use Cases?   Requirements?    Test Cases?   Dunno if those are appropirate here.

... 4. Use Cases? Requirements? Test Cases? Dunno if those are appropirate here.

15:59:18 <edsu> +1

Ed Summers: +1

15:59:21 <lindstream> Perhaps dcat should provide a separate "dcat distribution types" vocab? Or leave notification details out, and recommend (link to) existing or upcoming methods (AtomOwl, dady..)?

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Unknown lindstream: Perhaps dcat should provide a separate "dcat distribution types" vocab? Or leave notification details out, and recommend (link to) existing or upcoming methods (AtomOwl, dady..)?

15:59:30 <sandro> proposed: extend by 15 mins

PROPOSED: extend by 15 mins

15:59:30 <Cory> +1

Cory Casanave: +1

15:59:31 <sandro> +1

+1

15:59:33 <DavidJames> +1 15 minute extension

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Unknown DavidJames: +1 15 minute extension

15:59:36 <RichW> +1

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Unknown RichW: +1

15:59:37 <lindstream> + 1 15 min

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Unknown lindstream: + 1 15 min

15:59:38 <ww> +1

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Unknown ww: +1

15:59:39 <kate_geyer> +1

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Unknown kate_geyer: +1

15:59:39 <martin> +1

Martín Álvarez: +1

15:59:42 <vassilios> +1

Vassilios Peristeras: +1

15:59:46 <sandro> resolved: extend by 15 mins

RESOLVED: extend by 15 mins

15:59:47 <dan> +1

Daniel Bennett: +1

16:00:21 <lindstream> (not, leave out dcat:distribution, but the details it refers to)

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Unknown lindstream: (not, leave out dcat:distribution, but the details it refers to)

16:01:19 <dret> +1

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Unknown dret: +1

16:01:41 <sandro> sandro: let's focus on building an RDF vocabulary, here, and deal with the RDF-world bridge elsewhere.

Sandro Hawke: let's focus on building an RDF vocabulary, here, and deal with the RDF-world bridge elsewhere.

16:01:41 <cygri> sandro: propose to focus on the RDF vocab in this group, being aware that there's more work to do afterwards

Sandro Hawke: propose to focus on the RDF vocab in this group, being aware that there's more work to do afterwards [ Scribe Assist by Richard Cyganiak ]

16:02:08 <sandro> sandro: also multiple implementions is better than one demonstrator.

Sandro Hawke: also multiple implementions is better than one demonstrator.

16:02:12 <Zakim> - +1.202.564.aaii

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16:02:20 <DavidJames> I like the idea of keeping this group focused on RDF.

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Unknown DavidJames: I like the idea of keeping this group focused on RDF.

16:02:22 <dret> what about patterns of how to expose certain services around the vocabulary in plain web ways?

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Unknown dret: what about patterns of how to expose certain services around the vocabulary in plain web ways?

16:02:33 <sandro> edsu: Yes, vocab note, and implementors guide.    But also guide to how to use this outside of just RDF.

Ed Summers: Yes, vocab note, and implementors guide. But also guide to how to use this outside of just RDF.

16:02:35 <li> at RPI, we would also like to contribute some thought on data.gov vocabularies

Li Ding: at RPI, we would also like to contribute some thought on data.gov vocabularies

16:02:40 <DavidJames> Of course, for our work, we're interested in applying the principles to other formats as well.

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Unknown DavidJames: Of course, for our work, we're interested in applying the principles to other formats as well.

16:02:42 <li> based on our experience,

Li Ding: based on our experience,

16:02:44 <sandro> q?

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16:02:47 <sandro> ack sandro

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16:02:47 <Zakim> sandro, you wanted to comment on dcat scope

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16:02:49 <sandro> ack edsu

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16:02:49 <Zakim> edsu, you wanted to suggest dcat+rdfa note

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16:03:28 <sandro> vassilios: Maybe we're mixing two discussions that we don't need to mix.    1.  the vocab;   2. the format for the vocab.

Vassilios Peristeras: Maybe we're mixing two discussions that we don't need to mix. 1. the vocab; 2. the format for the vocab.

16:03:41 <sandro> vassilios: Maybe have vocab in a neutral format, eg UML.

Vassilios Peristeras: Maybe have vocab in a neutral format, eg UML.

16:03:44 <dret> separating a data model and services provided around that vocabulary would be a very good idea.

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Unknown dret: separating a data model and services provided around that vocabulary would be a very good idea.

16:04:05 <lindstream> Re. updates w. Atom or alternatives: see summary by Leigh Dodds: http://www.ldodds.com/blog/2010/04/rdf-dataset-notifications/

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Unknown lindstream: Re. updates w. Atom or alternatives: see summary by Leigh Dodds: http://www.ldodds.com/blog/2010/04/rdf-dataset-notifications/

16:04:27 <sandro> cyg: I'd be concerned about leaving concrete rep open, then we wont really get interop.)

Richard Cyganiak: I'd be concerned about leaving concrete rep open, then we wont really get interop.)

16:04:34 <Cory> Not fully open - you need a closed set of rpresentations

Cory Casanave: Not fully open - you need a closed set of rpresentations

16:04:49 <vassilios> +1 to cory

Vassilios Peristeras: +1 to cory

16:04:49 <sandro> cyg: Also, if we document a number of different ways, then, again, we don't get interop.

Richard Cyganiak: Also, if we document a number of different ways, then, again, we don't get interop.

16:04:52 <dret> do you want to propose a standard, or best practices? i think this is a very important distinction to make

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Unknown dret: do you want to propose a standard, or best practices? i think this is a very important distinction to make

16:05:00 <sandro> +1 cygri interop is top priority.

+1 cygri interop is top priority.

16:05:49 <li> I think FOAF is a good case to follow

Li Ding: I think FOAF is a good case to follow

16:05:55 <sandro> erik: It's also important to have services.     how you communicate updates, too.

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Unknown erik: It's also important to have services. how you communicate updates, too.

16:06:27 <sandro> erik: this big problems: not just modeling the data, but how you use the data, and build services on top of it.

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Unknown erik: this big problems: not just modeling the data, but how you use the data, and build services on top of it.

16:06:32 <sandro> ack DavidJames

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16:06:55 <sandro> DavidJames: Where are people leaning on separating vocabulary from format

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Unknown DavidJames: Where are people leaning on separating vocabulary from format

16:07:27 <lindstream> .. my thoughts on this topic are mostly at: http://code.google.com/p/court/

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Unknown lindstream: .. my thoughts on this topic are mostly at: http://code.google.com/p/court/

16:07:36 <dret> vocabularies and servoces are two separate thongs, and both are essential for building interactions.

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Unknown dret: vocabularies and servoces are two separate thongs, and both are essential for building interactions.

16:07:46 <dret> things, actually ;-)

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Unknown dret: things, actually ;-)

16:08:01 <sandro> cyg: Difference between UML and RDF is fairly minor.

Richard Cyganiak: Difference between UML and RDF is fairly minor.

16:08:37 <Cory> We generaly do a UML model first, and produce RDF - but can also produce other formats

Cory Casanave: We generaly do a UML model first, and produce RDF - but can also produce other formats

16:08:39 <ww> however it should be encouraged that e.g. json type services represent their data in the same shape as the rdf (or abstract) model

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Unknown ww: however it should be encouraged that e.g. json type services represent their data in the same shape as the rdf (or abstract) model

16:08:58 <Zakim> -lindstream

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16:09:26 <George> +1 sandro

George Thomas: +1 sandro

16:09:34 <li> if the vocabulary is fairly annotations and flat,  we don't need a very complex description other than dublin core

Li Ding: if the vocabulary is fairly annotations and flat, we don't need a very complex description other than dublin core

16:09:44 <sandro> sandro: I don't see an advantage to going more abstract that what dcat does, RDF, with UML view of it.

Sandro Hawke: I don't see an advantage to going more abstract that what dcat does, RDF, with UML view of it.

16:09:47 <jonphipps> think abstract model is good idea, but not without concrete representations

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Unknown jonphipps: think abstract model is good idea, but not without concrete representations

16:09:51 <Cory> +1 on model first

Cory Casanave: +1 on model first

16:09:53 <dret> servives?

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Unknown dret: servives?

16:10:36 <li> therefore, RDF rather than UML is good enough, I don't think Microformat vocabulary used UML for definition

Li Ding: therefore, RDF rather than UML is good enough, I don't think Microformat vocabulary used UML for definition

16:10:48 <sandro> cyg: Think of the UML diagram in dcat, and imagine it without prefixes.   Should we do that?   Is that an important deliverable?

Richard Cyganiak: Think of the UML diagram in dcat, and imagine it without prefixes. Should we do that? Is that an important deliverable?

16:10:50 <dret> +1

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Unknown dret: +1

16:10:56 <sandro> -1 ehhh

-1 ehhh

16:10:58 <kate_geyer> kate_geyer agrees with edsu

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Unknown kate_geyer: kate_geyer agrees with edsu

16:10:59 <li> the general principle is to keep everything as simple as possible

Li Ding: the general principle is to keep everything as simple as possible

16:11:01 <George> -1

George Thomas: -1

16:11:08 <fadi_> -1

Fadi Maali: -1

16:11:11 <jonphipps> 1 edsu

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Unknown jonphipps: 1 edsu

16:11:21 <li> requirement users to understand UML could be extra cost

Li Ding: requirement users to understand UML could be extra cost

16:11:25 <DavidJames> +1

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Unknown DavidJames: +1

16:11:30 <George> +1 sandro

George Thomas: +1 sandro

16:11:47 <sandro> sandro:  Maybe this is mostly editorial, for later.

Sandro Hawke: Maybe this is mostly editorial, for later.

16:11:57 <vassilios> do you believe that users understand better rdf than uml?

Vassilios Peristeras: do you believe that users understand better rdf than uml?

16:11:58 <DavidJames> I agree, deriving a JSON representation isn't a big problem (for this group at least)

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Unknown DavidJames: I agree, deriving a JSON representation isn't a big problem (for this group at least)

16:12:00 <dret> i like the idea of an abstract model, and would like to add a set of services around interactions.

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Unknown dret: i like the idea of an abstract model, and would like to add a set of services around interactions.

16:12:21 <edsu> dret: so rdfs isn't good enough for the model?

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Unknown dret: so rdfs isn't good enough for the model? [ Scribe Assist by Ed Summers ]

16:12:25 <DavidJames> And there are multiple, interchangable RDF serializations. I don't think we should worry about which is "official"

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Unknown DavidJames: And there are multiple, interchangable RDF serializations. I don't think we should worry about which is "official"

16:12:30 <sandro> cygri: so, should we do an RDF schema for classes/properties ----   the diagram with boxes and arrows.   An abstract model, we can layer on?

Richard Cyganiak: so, should we do an RDF schema for classes/properties ---- the diagram with boxes and arrows. An abstract model, we can layer on?

16:12:36 <DavidJames> +!

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Unknown DavidJames: +!

16:12:37 <sandro> +1   (if I understood it right.)

+1 (if I understood it right.)

16:12:38 <DavidJames> +1

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Unknown DavidJames: +1

16:12:39 <cygri> +1

Richard Cyganiak: +1

16:12:43 <Cory> Yes, your model should be representation independent -

Cory Casanave: Yes, your model should be representation independent -

16:12:52 <vassilios> +1 to cory

Vassilios Peristeras: +1 to cory

16:12:56 <martin> +1

Martín Álvarez: +1

16:12:58 <vassilios> this is the point

Vassilios Peristeras: this is the point

16:13:13 <vassilios> to make it computer independent model according to MDA

Vassilios Peristeras: to make it computer independent model according to MDA

16:13:29 <edsu> +1 for what sandro said, if uml means a nice human readable html page

Ed Summers: +1 for what sandro said, if uml means a nice human readable html page

16:13:29 <sandro> sandro: I'm understanding that we'll design it in RDFS terms, but also be aware of what it looks liek in UML terms.

Sandro Hawke: I'm understanding that we'll design it in RDFS terms, but also be aware of what it looks liek in UML terms.

16:13:39 <Cory> The adavantage of UML for this is mostly that it is simpler to understand and can then map to multiple formats

Cory Casanave: The adavantage of UML for this is mostly that it is simpler to understand and can then map to multiple formats

16:13:46 <sandro> Yes, human readable.   Not UML software readable.

Yes, human readable. Not UML software readable.

16:13:50 <sandro> q?

q?

16:13:52 <DavidJames> vassilios: what do you mean by MDA?

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Vassilios Peristeras: what do you mean by MDA? [ Scribe Assist by Unknown DavidJames ]

16:14:02 <vassilios> Model Driven Architecture

Vassilios Peristeras: Model Driven Architecture

16:14:10 <Cory> UML is software readable!

Cory Casanave: UML is software readable!

16:14:38 <George> this isn't an mda crowd - let the omg do that

George Thomas: this isn't an mda crowd - let the omg do that

16:14:50 <George> or someone like cory :)

George Thomas: or someone like cory :)

16:14:55 <sandro> edsu: RDF is a suitable data modeling language, and the right one for this crowd.

Ed Summers: RDF is a suitable data modeling language, and the right one for this crowd.

16:15:14 <dret> there are other structured data formats advocated by the w3c, with much wider availability of tooling and developers in the wild.

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Unknown dret: there are other structured data formats advocated by the w3c, with much wider availability of tooling and developers in the wild.

16:15:17 <lindstream> +1 on sticking to RDF for the modeling

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Unknown lindstream: +1 on sticking to RDF for the modeling

16:15:39 <DavidJames> I am happy to go with the group consensus on how we model

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Unknown DavidJames: I am happy to go with the group consensus on how we model

16:15:40 <sandro> edsu: The toolchains around data formats ...    people want to work on documents sometimes ....   let's make sure there are examples with RDFa and JSON etc.

Ed Summers: The toolchains around data formats ... people want to work on documents sometimes .... let's make sure there are examples with RDFa and JSON etc.

16:16:15 <Cory> I don't see RDF/UML as conflicting, they are ways to express the same underlying concepts.

Cory Casanave: I don't see RDF/UML as conflicting, they are ways to express the same underlying concepts.

16:16:17 <edsu> atom and rss too :-)

Ed Summers: atom and rss too :-)

16:16:39 <George> +1 cygri

George Thomas: +1 cygri

16:16:56 <jonphipps> +1 cygri

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Unknown jonphipps: +1 cygri

16:16:59 <sandro> cygri: We want to do a model thats independant from the concrete syntax or format that we might do in the end.  We want to use RDFS as the modeling language.  This DOES NOT mean folks have to use RDF/XML.   It's about using RDFS as the way to construct our vocabulary.

Richard Cyganiak: We want to do a model thats independant from the concrete syntax or format that we might do in the end. We want to use RDFS as the modeling language. This DOES NOT mean folks have to use RDF/XML. It's about using RDFS as the way to construct our vocabulary.

16:17:00 <edsu> +1

Ed Summers: +1

16:17:04 <sandro> +1 cygri

+1 cygri

16:17:07 <li> My point is not rejecting UML. For simplicity concern, we should have something simple enough for regular web developers to take

Li Ding: My point is not rejecting UML. For simplicity concern, we should have something simple enough for regular web developers to take

16:17:36 <dret> sorry for repeating myself, but i think having services is essential. this could also be abstract or concrete, but it would be very helpful as "best practices" for somebody trying to do this.

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Unknown dret: sorry for repeating myself, but i think having services is essential. this could also be abstract or concrete, but it would be very helpful as "best practices" for somebody trying to do this.

16:17:41 <DavidJames> I agree with modeling in RDF without thinking about particular serialization details. For this group, why should we care about the particular RDF serialization?

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Unknown DavidJames: I agree with modeling in RDF without thinking about particular serialization details. For this group, why should we care about the particular RDF serialization?

16:17:47 <jonphipps> +1 cygri: "using RDFS as the way to construct our vocabulary."

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Unknown jonphipps: +1 cygri: "using RDFS as the way to construct our vocabulary."

16:17:47 <sandro> cory: A UML model is easy for people to understand.   The equivalen RDF rep, the equiv JSON rep, ... not a problem.

Cory Casanave: A UML model is easy for people to understand. The equivalen RDF rep, the equiv JSON rep, ... not a problem.

16:18:22 <sandro> cygri: is that agreement, Cory?

Richard Cyganiak: is that agreement, Cory?

16:18:41 <DavidJames> +1 RDF schema

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Unknown DavidJames: +1 RDF schema

16:18:41 <sandro> cory: UML is more often used, but RDFS is okay.

Cory Casanave: UML is more often used, but RDFS is okay.

16:18:54 <sandro> (time check)

(time check)

16:18:58 <edsu> dret: i agree, i think i heard cygri addressing this in the 'demonstrator' piece?

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Unknown dret: i agree, i think i heard cygri addressing this in the 'demonstrator' piece? [ Scribe Assist by Ed Summers ]

16:19:14 <Zakim> -George

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16:19:39 <sandro> cygri: Erik, you stress the imporance of services.   Would you agree that having an abstract model in the first place is useful for defining those services?    Or do you need the services first?

Richard Cyganiak: Erik, you stress the imporance of services. Would you agree that having an abstract model in the first place is useful for defining those services? Or do you need the services first?

16:20:15 <sandro> dret: It would be good to have the model first.  It might be hard to follow, if it's all abstract.    "You might want to expose this bit of JSON", etc, easier to understand.

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Unknown dret: It would be good to have the model first. It might be hard to follow, if it's all abstract. "You might want to expose this bit of JSON", etc, easier to understand.

16:20:33 <sandro> dret: look at data model as static structures, AND servces as the way people interact with the data in that model.

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Unknown dret: look at data model as static structures, AND servces as the way people interact with the data in that model.

16:20:35 <DavidJames> We already extended 15 minutes, so I think we should be aware of the time...

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Unknown DavidJames: We already extended 15 minutes, so I think we should be aware of the time...

16:21:17 <edsu> sandro: sounds almost like the w3c egov social media compone

Sandro Hawke: sounds almost like the w3c egov social media component [ Scribe Assist by Ed Summers ]

16:21:19 <sandro> dret: recovery.gov initial folks were urged to publish as feeds, and didn't know how to do it.   Having best practices and validation tools, so folks can test if their services are well behaved or not, that's goo dfor developers.

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Unknown dret: recovery.gov initial folks were urged to publish as feeds, and didn't know how to do it. Having best practices and validation tools, so folks can test if their services are well behaved or not, that's goo dfor developers.

16:21:28 <edsu> s/compone/component/
16:21:31 <sandro> cygri: out of time, thanks everyone!

Richard Cyganiak: out of time, thanks everyone!

16:21:43 <dret> thanks!

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Unknown dret: thanks!

16:21:46 <DavidJames> Thanks

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Unknown DavidJames: Thanks

16:21:49 <kate_geyer> thanks, all!

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Unknown kate_geyer: thanks, all!

16:21:49 <Zakim> -Sandro

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16:21:53 <Zakim> - +0789798aaee

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16:21:54 <Zakim> -Kate

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16:21:57 <lindstream> Erik: how open-ended a service? I'm thinking "an algorithmic resource for slices of time and/or category".. (delivering doc updates and/or changesets)

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Unknown Erik: how open-ended a service? I'm thinking "an algorithmic resource for slices of time and/or category".. (delivering doc updates and/or changesets) [ Scribe Assist by Unknown lindstream ]

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16:22:01 <martin> thanks, bye

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16:22:09 <lindstream> thanks all

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Unknown lindstream: thanks all

16:22:09 <vassilios> thanks, bye

Vassilios Peristeras: thanks, bye

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16:22:11 <Zakim> -jonphipps

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16:22:28 <edsu> cygri: nice job :-)

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16:22:53 <jonphipps> hmmm. having trouble logging into the wiki with w3 login

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Unknown jonphipps: hmmm. having trouble logging into the wiki with w3 login

16:23:09 <jonphipps> anything different about it?

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Unknown jonphipps: anything different about it?

16:23:09 <dret> services can be whatever you like them to be. as simple as a feed with very static semantics, or as complex as a query language exposed somewhere. often, the best idea is to have something in the middle "form-based queries", so to speak.

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Unknown dret: services can be whatever you like them to be. as simple as a feed with very static semantics, or as complex as a query language exposed somewhere. often, the best idea is to have something in the middle "form-based queries", so to speak.

16:23:11 <edsu> jonphipps: i think it got changed up recently

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Unknown jonphipps: i think it got changed up recently [ Scribe Assist by Ed Summers ]

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16:23:40 <cygri> martin, sorry for skipping your topic in the end! would you be willing to show it next time?

Richard Cyganiak: martin, sorry for skipping your topic in the end! would you be willing to show it next time?

16:23:54 <dret> bye.

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Unknown dret: bye.

16:23:56 <martin> ok, no problem

Martín Álvarez: ok, no problem

16:24:07 <jonphipps> I was able to get onto the swdwg wiki earlier in the week

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Unknown jonphipps: I was able to get onto the swdwg wiki earlier in the week

16:24:10 <edsu> jonphipps: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-egov-ig/2010Apr/0024.html

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Unknown jonphipps: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-egov-ig/2010Apr/0024.html [ Scribe Assist by Ed Summers ]

16:24:24 <cygri> note to self: things always take twice as long as i'd like them to :-)

Richard Cyganiak: note to self: things always take twice as long as i'd like them to :-)

16:24:45 <jonphipps> oh, _very_ recently :-)

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Unknown jonphipps: oh, _very_ recently :-)

16:25:02 <jonphipps> btw, nicely done cygri

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Unknown jonphipps: btw, nicely done cygri

16:26:01 <edsu> fwiw, i added my dcat in atom strawman to the wiki http://www.w3.org/egov/wiki/Data_Catalog_Vocabulary/AtomStrawman

Ed Summers: fwiw, i added my dcat in atom strawman to the wiki http://www.w3.org/egov/wiki/Data_Catalog_Vocabulary/AtomStrawman

16:27:28 <lindstream> edsu: nice

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Ed Summers: nice [ Scribe Assist by Unknown lindstream ]

16:28:06 <edsu> lindstream: i imagine i may have goofed some things up, please feel free to edit

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Unknown lindstream: i imagine i may have goofed some things up, please feel free to edit [ Scribe Assist by Ed Summers ]

16:28:20 <Zakim> disconnecting the lone participant, Sunlight, in T&S_EGOV(LD TECH)10:00AM

Zakim IRC Bot: disconnecting the lone participant, Sunlight, in T&S_EGOV(LD TECH)10:00AM

16:28:24 <Zakim> T&S_EGOV(LD TECH)10:00AM has ended

Zakim IRC Bot: T&S_EGOV(LD TECH)10:00AM has ended

16:28:26 <Zakim> Attendees were Sandro, +1.202.955.aaaa, Luigi, David, [CTIC], +1.202.690.aabb, martin, +1.617.521.aacc, +1.510.643.aadd, +0789798aaee, +03539149aaff, cygri, fadi_, +1.617.619.aagg,

Zakim IRC Bot: Attendees were Sandro, +1.202.955.aaaa, Luigi, David, [CTIC], +1.202.690.aabb, martin, +1.617.521.aacc, +1.510.643.aadd, +0789798aaee, +03539149aaff, cygri, fadi_, +1.617.619.aagg,

16:28:28 <Zakim> ... George, Erik, +1.410.336.aahh, +1.202.564.aaii, Rich_Wolverton, Kate, Cory, jonphipps, edsu, lindstream

Zakim IRC Bot: ... George, Erik, +1.410.336.aahh, +1.202.564.aaii, Rich_Wolverton, Kate, Cory, jonphipps, edsu, lindstream

16:29:31 <martin> cygri, thanks, I can present when you want

Martín Álvarez: cygri, thanks, I can present when you want

16:29:57 <lindstream> edsu: I'll take a closer look

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Ed Summers: I'll take a closer look [ Scribe Assist by Unknown lindstream ]

16:30:55 <sandro> ciao, lindstream !

ciao, lindstream !

16:31:07 <edsu> seeya lindstream

Ed Summers: seeya lindstream

20:39:16 <sandro> danbri, you just joined on IRC, not the phone, right?    I wasn't sure for the minutes.

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danbri, you just joined on IRC, not the phone, right? I wasn't sure for the minutes.

20:40:57 <sandro> (not that commonscribe has a way to work with that.   there's a  self.ircOnly  but no way to set or display it.   :-)

(not that commonscribe has a way to work with that. there's a self.ircOnly but no way to set or display it. :-)

20:54:07 <danbri> yup, just irc

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Unknown danbri: yup, just irc

20:54:47 <danbri> if i had the time i'd like to be more engaged; i made egov data something of a theme in http://ardevcamp.org/wiki/index.php?title=ARDevAmsterdam ..

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Unknown danbri: if i had the time i'd like to be more engaged; i made egov data something of a theme in http://ardevcamp.org/wiki/index.php?title=ARDevAmsterdam ..



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