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eGovernment Interest Group Teleconference

Minutes of 31 March 2010

Seen
Chris Beer, Cory Casanave, Ed Summers, George Thomas, John Sheridan, José Alonso, Kevin Novak, Owen Ambur, Rachel Flagg, Richard Cyganiak (DERI), Sandro Hawke, Vassilios Peristeras
Guests
Richard Cyganiak (DERI)
Regrets
Kevin Novak, Rachel Flagg, Cory Casanave
Chair
José Alonso
Scribe
Ed Summers
IRC Log
Original
Resolutions

None.

Topics
<sandro> Guest: Richard (cygri) Cyganiak, http://richard.cyganiak.de/, DERI
13:00:22 <RRSAgent> logging to http://www.w3.org/2010/03/31-egov-irc

RRSAgent IRC Bot: logging to http://www.w3.org/2010/03/31-egov-irc

13:00:31 <josema> trackbot, start telcon

José Alonso: trackbot, start telcon

13:00:33 <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs public

Trackbot IRC Bot: RRSAgent, make logs public

13:00:35 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be EGOV

Trackbot IRC Bot: Zakim, this will be EGOV

13:00:35 <Zakim> ok, trackbot, I see T&S_EGOV(DMngmnt)8:00AM already started

Zakim IRC Bot: ok, trackbot, I see T&S_EGOV(DMngmnt)8:00AM already started

13:00:36 <josema> chair: josema
13:00:36 <trackbot> Meeting: eGovernment Interest Group Teleconference
13:00:36 <trackbot> Date: 31 March 2010
13:01:06 <josema> agenda+Agenda adjustments and next meetings

José Alonso: agenda+Agenda adjustments and next meetings

13:01:15 <josema> agenda+ Review of open actions

José Alonso: agenda+ Review of open actions

13:01:25 <josema> agenda+ Projects: status report from coordinators

José Alonso: agenda+ Projects: status report from coordinators

13:01:38 <josema> agenda+ What's going on / coming up

José Alonso: agenda+ What's going on / coming up

13:01:47 <josema> agenda+ Discussion on data catalogues

José Alonso: agenda+ Discussion on data catalogues

13:01:50 <josema> agenda?

José Alonso: agenda?

13:01:59 <josema> zakim, who's here?

José Alonso: zakim, who's here?

13:01:59 <Zakim> On the phone I see George

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see George

13:02:00 <Zakim> On IRC I see John, RRSAgent, Zakim, OwenAmbur, josema, ChrisB, sandro, trackbot

Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see John, RRSAgent, Zakim, OwenAmbur, josema, ChrisB, sandro, trackbot

13:02:42 <sandro> zakim, this is egov

Sandro Hawke: zakim, this is egov

13:02:42 <Zakim> sandro, this was already T&S_EGOV(DMngmnt)8:00AM

Zakim IRC Bot: sandro, this was already T&S_EGOV(DMngmnt)8:00AM

13:02:43 <Zakim> ok, sandro; that matches T&S_EGOV(DMngmnt)8:00AM

Zakim IRC Bot: ok, sandro; that matches T&S_EGOV(DMngmnt)8:00AM

13:02:49 <sandro> zakim, who is on the phone?

Sandro Hawke: zakim, who is on the phone?

13:02:49 <Zakim> On the phone I see George

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see George

13:02:56 <sandro> zakim, what is the code?

Sandro Hawke: zakim, what is the code?

13:02:56 <Zakim> the conference code is 3468 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), sandro

Zakim IRC Bot: the conference code is 3468 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), sandro

13:03:37 <cygri> hi folks. is the call *now*? i can't dial in, it tells me the conference is restricted

Richard Cyganiak: hi folks. is the call *now*? i can't dial in, it tells me the conference is restricted

13:03:42 <sandro> yeah.

Sandro Hawke: yeah.

13:03:44 <ChrisB> saem

Chris Beer: saem

13:03:45 <sandro> it's broken.

Sandro Hawke: it's broken.

13:03:47 <ChrisB> *same

Chris Beer: *same

13:03:56 <John> Me too...

John Sheridan: Me too...

13:04:05 <ChrisB> bugger...

Chris Beer: bugger...

13:04:07 <josema> I don't even get the error message

José Alonso: I don't even get the error message

13:04:51 <ChrisB> I can see the e-Gov IG note now - "Best Practices in using Technology.... Don't!" lol

Chris Beer: I can see the e-Gov IG note now - "Best Practices in using Technology.... Don't!" lol

13:05:00 <josema> zakim sees George but he's not on IRC, so we cannot ask him :(

José Alonso: zakim sees George but he's not on IRC, so we cannot ask him :(

13:05:00 <Zakim> disconnecting the lone participant, George, in T&S_EGOV(DMngmnt)8:00AM

Zakim IRC Bot: disconnecting the lone participant, George, in T&S_EGOV(DMngmnt)8:00AM

13:05:03 <Zakim> T&S_EGOV(DMngmnt)8:00AM has ended

Zakim IRC Bot: T&S_EGOV(DMngmnt)8:00AM has ended

13:05:03 <Zakim> Attendees were George

Zakim IRC Bot: Attendees were George

13:05:41 <sandro> I wish.

Sandro Hawke: I wish.

13:05:45 <sandro> I'm trying to reach someone.

Sandro Hawke: I'm trying to reach someone.

13:05:57 <josema> ok, thx, sandro

José Alonso: ok, thx, sandro

13:06:40 <ChrisB> I think I'm in...

Chris Beer: I think I'm in...

13:06:48 <ChrisB> accepted the code

Chris Beer: accepted the code

13:06:52 <edsu> is the meeting over?

Ed Summers: is the meeting over?

13:06:53 <josema> zakim, who's here?

José Alonso: zakim, who's here?

13:06:53 <Zakim> apparently T&S_EGOV(DMngmnt)8:00AM has ended, josema

Zakim IRC Bot: apparently T&S_EGOV(DMngmnt)8:00AM has ended, josema

13:06:55 <Zakim> On IRC I see fadi, edsu, cygri, John, RRSAgent, Zakim, OwenAmbur, josema, ChrisB, sandro, trackbot

Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see fadi, edsu, cygri, John, RRSAgent, Zakim, OwenAmbur, josema, ChrisB, sandro, trackbot

13:07:07 <sandro> No, the meeting is supposed to start now.

Sandro Hawke: No, the meeting is supposed to start now.

13:07:12 <josema> ChrisB, did you hear a beep?

José Alonso: ChrisB, did you hear a beep?

13:07:16 <ChrisB> yup

Chris Beer: yup

13:07:21 <josema> hmmm....

José Alonso: hmmm....

13:07:36 <ChrisB> dead air atm - cause I think I'm alone - no - someone else is on - very faint

Chris Beer: dead air atm - cause I think I'm alone - no - someone else is on - very faint

13:07:49 <sandro> ChrisB and I are on....

Sandro Hawke: ChrisB and I are on....

13:08:16 <sandro> seems to be working now.

Sandro Hawke: seems to be working now.

13:08:37 <sandro> zakim, who is here?

Sandro Hawke: zakim, who is here?

13:08:37 <Zakim> apparently T&S_EGOV(DMngmnt)8:00AM has ended, sandro

Zakim IRC Bot: apparently T&S_EGOV(DMngmnt)8:00AM has ended, sandro

13:08:38 <cygri> yup i'm in

Richard Cyganiak: yup i'm in

13:08:39 <Zakim> On IRC I see fadi, edsu, cygri, John, RRSAgent, Zakim, OwenAmbur, josema, ChrisB, sandro, trackbot

Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see fadi, edsu, cygri, John, RRSAgent, Zakim, OwenAmbur, josema, ChrisB, sandro, trackbot

13:08:52 <sandro> zakim, this is egov

Sandro Hawke: zakim, this is egov

13:08:52 <Zakim> ok, sandro; that matches T&S_EGOV()9:00AM

Zakim IRC Bot: ok, sandro; that matches T&S_EGOV()9:00AM

13:09:01 <sandro> zakim, who is on the call?

Sandro Hawke: zakim, who is on the call?

13:09:01 <Zakim> On the phone I see George, [LC], ChrisB, +0203334aaaa, Sandro, [IPcaller], nunolopes, +03498429aabb

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see George, [LC], ChrisB, +0203334aaaa, Sandro, [IPcaller], nunolopes, +03498429aabb

13:09:14 <josema> agenda?

José Alonso: agenda?

13:09:21 <edsu> Zakim, LC is edsu

Ed Summers: Zakim, LC is edsu

13:09:24 <Zakim> +edsu; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +edsu; got it

13:09:39 <Zakim> +??P16

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P16

13:10:22 <josema> agenda?

José Alonso: agenda?

13:11:34 <josema> scribe: edsu

(Scribe set to Ed Summers)

13:11:52 <edsu> TOPIC: Agenda adjustments and next meetings

1. Agenda adjustments and next meetings

13:12:00 <josema> zakim, next agendum

José Alonso: zakim, next agendum

13:12:00 <Zakim> agendum 1. "Agenda adjustments and next meetings" taken up [from josema]

2. Agenda adjustments and next meetings

13:12:08 <edsu> josema: next meeting April 14th, need a scribe

José Alonso: next meeting April 14th, need a scribe

13:13:19 <edsu> Zakim, next agendum

Zakim, next agendum

13:13:19 <Zakim> agendum 2. "Review of open actions" taken up [from josema]

3. Review of open actions

13:13:20 <josema> http://www.w3.org/egov/IG/track/actions/open

José Alonso: http://www.w3.org/egov/IG/track/actions/open

13:13:44 <josema> zakim, who's here?

José Alonso: zakim, who's here?

13:13:44 <Zakim> On the phone I see George, edsu, ChrisB, +0203334aaaa, Sandro, [IPcaller], nunolopes, +03498429aabb, ??P16

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see George, edsu, ChrisB, +0203334aaaa, Sandro, [IPcaller], nunolopes, +03498429aabb, ??P16

13:13:49 <Zakim> On IRC I see fadi, edsu, cygri, John, RRSAgent, Zakim, OwenAmbur, josema, ChrisB, sandro, trackbot

Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see fadi, edsu, cygri, John, RRSAgent, Zakim, OwenAmbur, josema, ChrisB, sandro, trackbot

13:14:09 <josema> regrets: kevin, rachel, cory
13:15:00 <cygri> zakim, nunolopes is cygri

Richard Cyganiak: zakim, nunolopes is cygri

13:15:00 <Zakim> +cygri; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +cygri; got it

13:15:07 <cygri> zakim, who's on the phone?

Richard Cyganiak: zakim, who's on the phone?

13:15:07 <Zakim> On the phone I see George, edsu, ChrisB, +0203334aaaa, Sandro, [IPcaller], cygri, +03498429aabb, ??P16

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see George, edsu, ChrisB, +0203334aaaa, Sandro, [IPcaller], cygri, +03498429aabb, ??P16

13:16:50 <sandro> I heard some voices in the distance there.

Sandro Hawke: I heard some voices in the distance there.

13:17:21 <josema> zakim, aabb is me

José Alonso: zakim, aabb is me

13:17:21 <Zakim> +josema; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +josema; got it

13:17:35 <josema> zakim, [IPCaller] is probably Owen

José Alonso: zakim, [IPCaller] is probably Owen

13:18:00 <josema> zakim, aaaa is probably John

José Alonso: zakim, aaaa is probably John

13:18:34 <josema> zakim, ??P16 is Vassilios

José Alonso: zakim, ??P16 is Vassilios

13:18:34 <Zakim> +Vassilios; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +Vassilios; got it

13:18:42 <josema> agenda?

José Alonso: agenda?

13:18:47 <sandro> zakim, who is on the call?

Sandro Hawke: zakim, who is on the call?

13:18:55 <Zakim> On the phone I see George, edsu, ChrisB, John?, Sandro, Owen?, cygri, josema, Vassilios

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see George, edsu, ChrisB, John?, Sandro, Owen?, cygri, josema, Vassilios

13:19:15 <edsu> Zakim, next agendum

Zakim, next agendum

13:19:16 <Zakim> agendum 3. "Projects: status report from coordinators" taken up [from josema]

4. Projects: status report from coordinators

13:19:32 <josema> http://www.w3.org/egov/wiki/Projects

José Alonso: http://www.w3.org/egov/wiki/Projects

13:20:03 <edsu> josema: george can you report a summary on your project?

José Alonso: george can you report a summary on your project?

13:20:55 <edsu> george: there's been some discussion about conventions of use for some of the standards, such as dcat, void, etc

George Thomas: there's been some discussion about conventions of use for some of the standards, such as dcat, void, etc

13:21:16 <edsu> george: and trying to evangelize demonstrations that people already have

George Thomas: and trying to evangelize demonstrations that people already have

13:21:29 <edsu> josema: is there any expected deliverable?

José Alonso: is there any expected deliverable?

13:21:51 <edsu> george: we haven't converged on that at this point

George Thomas: we haven't converged on that at this point

13:22:14 <edsu> josema: so what you have decided to is to act as an aggregator of different initiatives?

José Alonso: so what you have decided to is to act as an aggregator of different initiatives?

13:22:24 <edsu> george: that's kind of the default yes

George Thomas: that's kind of the default yes

13:22:50 <edsu> ... a reflection of sandro's comment about energy and availability of people involved

... a reflection of sandro's comment about energy and availability of people involved

13:23:38 <edsu> josema: is there a sense of doing technical work, as well as a case that could be made for decision makers?

José Alonso: is there a sense of doing technical work, as well as a case that could be made for decision makers?

13:24:10 <edsu> george: yes

George Thomas: yes

13:24:39 <edsu> josema: there is a need to make a value-proposition to poplicy makers

José Alonso: there is a need to make a value-proposition to poplicy makers

13:24:48 <edsu> george: i think there is a good opportunity for that

George Thomas: i think there is a good opportunity for that

13:25:12 <edsu> josema: best practices for using web technologies, chris?

José Alonso: best practices for using web technologies, chris?

13:25:57 <edsu> ChrisB: we tried focus groups for publishing pdf files, and using mobile technology ; got some response about pdf

Chris Beer: we tried focus groups for publishing pdf files, and using mobile technology ; got some response about pdf

13:26:20 <edsu> ... we'll maybe get something written about redaction

... we'll maybe get something written about redaction

13:26:38 <edsu> ... also some conversations with adobe

... also some conversations with adobe

13:27:00 <edsu> ... trying to identify where the interest is

... trying to identify where the interest is

13:27:09 <josema> q?

José Alonso: q?

13:27:51 <edsu> josema: there is some concern about the participation in the groups, which is when we decided to let other organizers go on their own for a bit

José Alonso: there is some concern about the participation in the groups, which is when we decided to let other organizers go on their own for a bit

13:28:18 <OwenAmbur> Lost my Skype connection

Owen Ambur: Lost my Skype connection

13:28:28 <edsu> ... hopefully focusing on very specific topics will help

... hopefully focusing on very specific topics will help

13:28:56 <edsu> ChrisB: yeah, we were thinking of putting out short how-tos

Chris Beer: yeah, we were thinking of putting out short how-tos

13:29:07 <edsu> ... and go from there

... and go from there

13:30:00 <edsu> josema: we should clearer ideas about what we should produce, given the charter expiring in october

José Alonso: we should have clearer ideas about what we should have produce, given the charter expiring in october

13:30:16 <edsu> s/we should/we should have/
13:30:28 <Zakim> -George

Zakim IRC Bot: -George

13:30:29 <edsu> ... don't be afraid of publishing something

... don't be afraid of publishing something

13:31:06 <edsu> ... a working draft can be almost anything ; we shouldn't be afraid of putting drafts out there ; and also people should feel free to use the wiki

... a working draft can be almost anything ; we shouldn't be afraid of putting drafts out there ; and also people should feel free to use the wiki

13:31:49 <edsu> ... people seem afraid sometimes

... people seem afraid sometimes

13:32:10 <edsu> josema: daniel isn't on the call today for best practices

José Alonso: daniel isn't on the call today for best practices

13:32:57 <josema> agenda?

José Alonso: agenda?

13:33:01 <edsu> ChrisB: Brian updated the social media project homepage http://www.w3.org/egov/wiki/SocMed

Chris Beer: Brian updated the social media project homepage http://www.w3.org/egov/wiki/SocMed

13:33:28 <edsu> Zakim, next agendum

Zakim, next agendum

13:33:28 <Zakim> agendum 4. "What's going on / coming up" taken up [from josema]

5. What's going on / coming up

13:33:49 <edsu> josema: sandro could you tell us about fose? http://www.fose.com/Events/FOSE-2010/Home.aspx

José Alonso: sandro could you tell us about fose? http://www.fose.com/Events/FOSE-2010/Home.aspx

13:34:53 <edsu> sandro: i was on a panel replacing john, with rachel and daniel and kevi

Sandro Hawke: i was on a panel replacing john, with rachel and daniel and kevi

13:35:08 <edsu> sandro: i'll paste the link for the slides, and the video into irc

Sandro Hawke: i'll paste the link for the slides, and the video into irc

13:35:29 <edsu> ... there wasn't a lot of time for questions, and it seemed like some people were excited about it

... there wasn't a lot of time for questions, and it seemed like some people were excited about it

13:35:38 <sandro>    http://civsourceonline.com/2010/03/24/open-data-movement-asks-if-you-open-it-who-will-come/

Sandro Hawke: http://civsourceonline.com/2010/03/24/open-data-movement-asks-if-you-open-it-who-will-come/

13:35:39 <edsu> ... might get some people in the IG as a result

... might get some people in the IG as a result

13:36:13 <edsu> josema: any other news from people on the call?

José Alonso: any other news from people on the call?

13:37:07 <edsu> ChrisB: i've got a paper accepted to talk about the Metadata Conference in Canberra

Chris Beer: i've got a paper accepted to talk about the Metadata Conference in Canberra

13:37:12 <OwenAmbur> The Industry Advisory Council (IAC) will be conducting a study of best practices with respect to the management of records created in social networking services

Owen Ambur: The Industry Advisory Council (IAC) will be conducting a study of best practices with respect to the management of records created in social networking services

13:37:49 <edsu> John: i've got a paper w/ Jeni Tennison to talk about design patterns, provenance, data sets for Linked Data on the Web

John Sheridan: i've got a paper w/ Jeni Tennison to talk about design patterns, provenance, data sets for Linked Data on the Web

13:38:08 <OwenAmbur> Pat Franks will be compiling a similar report under the auspices of IBM's Center for the Business of Government

Owen Ambur: Pat Franks will be compiling a similar report under the auspices of IBM's Center for the Business of Government

13:38:23 <edsu> josema: kevin wanted me to make folks in the US aware of open government meetings about agency plans

José Alonso: kevin wanted me to make folks in the US aware of open government meetings about agency plans

13:39:07 <OwenAmbur> It would be nice if agencies posted their open gov plans in open StratML format

Owen Ambur: It would be nice if agencies posted their open gov plans in open StratML format

13:39:30 <OwenAmbur> If they fail to do so, I will probably convert some, if not all of them to StratML format myself

Owen Ambur: If they fail to do so, I will probably convert some, if not all of them to StratML format myself

13:39:40 <ChrisB> @Owen - keep me posted on the IAC / Pats stuff - v interested

Chris Beer: @Owen - keep me posted on the IAC / Pats stuff - v interested

13:40:04 <josema> conference site -- http://www.tecnimap.es/

José Alonso: conference site -- http://www.tecnimap.es/

13:40:48 <edsu> ... the National Conference on EGovernment is next week, i will try to send information to the list

... the National Conference on EGovernment is next week, i will try to send information to the list

13:40:56 <josema> agenda?

José Alonso: agenda?

13:41:18 <edsu> Zakim, next agendum

Zakim, next agendum

13:41:18 <Zakim> agendum 5. "Discussion on data catalogues" taken up [from josema]

6. Discussion on data catalogues

13:42:19 <sandro> scovo http://sw.joanneum.at/scovo/schema.html

Sandro Hawke: scovo http://sw.joanneum.at/scovo/schema.html

13:42:59 <edsu> cygri: we at DERI are working with people in the UK for expressing statistics in rdf ; the Office of National Statistics in the UK did a workshop for how they should move forward with publishing their data in RDF, and explored using SCOVO and SDMX ; but have started working on an SDMX vocabulary for RDF

Richard Cyganiak: we at DERI are working with people in the UK for expressing statistics in rdf ; the Office of National Statistics in the UK did a workshop for how they should move forward with publishing their data in RDF, and explored using SCOVO and SDMX ; but have started working on an SDMX vocabulary for RDF

13:43:32 <edsu> cygri: there will be an early initial paper on this at ldow workshop

Richard Cyganiak: there will be an early initial paper on this at ldow workshop

13:43:46 <josema> that will be very useful for us, too

José Alonso: that will be very useful for us, too

13:44:24 <edsu> John: this is work that I have commissioned ; once we get a good representation of sdmx for rdf is a key issue for Linked Data in the UK

John Sheridan: this is work that I have commissioned ; once we get a good representation of sdmx for rdf is a key issue for Linked Data in the UK

13:45:09 <edsu> cygri: i'm distributing my time between the dcat and sdmxrdf

Richard Cyganiak: i'm distributing my time between the dcat and sdmxrdf

13:45:57 <edsu> josema: lets say you create that rdf vocab for sdmx, how will the relationship between the xml vocabulary and the rdf vocabulary work

José Alonso: lets say you create that rdf vocab for sdmx, how will the relationship between the xml vocabulary and the rdf vocabulary work

13:46:36 <edsu> cygri: sdmx started as an edi standard ; it includes an abstract model (uml), and there is an xml syntax

Richard Cyganiak: sdmx started as an edi standard ; it includes an abstract model (uml), and there is an xml syntax

13:47:44 <edsu> ... since there is an abstract model, we are exploring how possible it would be to translate between the xml and rdf data ; there is a lot of statistical data that's not available as sdmx, so we're thinking about how to easily make that data available as sdmx rdf

... since there is an abstract model, we are exploring how possible it would be to translate between the xml and rdf data ; there is a lot of statistical data that's not available as sdmx, so we're thinking about how to easily make that data available as sdmx rdf

13:48:43 <edsu> John: jeni gave us an xslt demonstration of turning an sdmx xml document into rdf ... we figure the transformation of sdmx xml is going to be pretty straightforward

John Sheridan: jeni gave us an xslt demonstration of turning an sdmx xml document into rdf ... we figure the transformation of sdmx xml is going to be pretty straightforward

13:49:37 <edsu> ... there's also lgdx that is being used, and they have big systems that inhibit switching to something new ; so we want to be able to translate that as well

... there's also lgdx that is being used, and they have big systems that inhibit switching to something new ; so we want to be able to translate that as well

13:49:38 <josema> zakim, who's noisy?

José Alonso: zakim, who's noisy?

13:49:40 <Zakim> +??P4

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P4

13:49:50 <Zakim> josema, listening for 10 seconds I could not identify any sounds

Zakim IRC Bot: josema, listening for 10 seconds I could not identify any sounds

13:50:10 <edsu> ... once sdmxrdf becomes something we can use we can surface quite a bit of data quite quickly

... once sdmxrdf becomes something we can use we can surface quite a bit of data quite quickly

13:50:48 <sandro> zakim, who is talking?

Sandro Hawke: zakim, who is talking?

13:50:59 <Zakim> sandro, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: 8 (18%), John? (59%), Vassilios (55%)

Zakim IRC Bot: sandro, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: 8 (18%), John? (59%), Vassilios (55%)

13:51:05 <Zakim> -Vassilios

Zakim IRC Bot: -Vassilios

13:51:19 <sandro> (nice timing)

Sandro Hawke: (nice timing)

13:51:42 <Zakim> +??P5

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P5

13:52:02 <edsu> John: we've started to use time interval uris too, which can be used to identify statistical data

John Sheridan: we've started to use time interval uris too, which can be used to identify statistical data

13:52:14 <edsu> josema: sounds like this deserves its own agenda item, some time in the future

José Alonso: sounds like this deserves its own agenda item, some time in the future

13:52:27 <cygri>  slides: http://richard.cyganiak.de/2010/03/dcat-for-egov-ig.pdf

Richard Cyganiak: slides: http://richard.cyganiak.de/2010/03/dcat-for-egov-ig.pdf

13:52:41 <edsu> ... i would love to see an agenda item to talk only about this some time in the future

... i would love to see an agenda item to talk only about this some time in the future

13:53:09 <edsu> cygri: that's a link for some slides for the work so far

Richard Cyganiak: that's a link for some slides for the work so far

13:53:25 <josema> zakim, who's here?

José Alonso: zakim, who's here?

13:53:25 <Zakim> On the phone I see edsu, ChrisB, John?, Sandro, cygri, josema, ??P4, ??P5

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13:54:44 <edsu> josema: ok the floor is yours

José Alonso: ok the floor is yours

13:55:07 <edsu> cygri: please follow along in the slides http://richard.cyganiak.de/2010/03/dcat-for-egov-ig.pdf

Richard Cyganiak: please follow along in the slides http://richard.cyganiak.de/2010/03/dcat-for-egov-ig.pdf

13:55:32 <edsu> ... most of the work has been by our egov unit and the linked data research center at deri

... most of the work has been by our egov unit and the linked data research center at deri

13:55:53 <josema> scribe: Ed Summers
13:55:55 <edsu> ... it's about enabling the interoperability of government data catalogs we've seen popping up

... it's about enabling the interoperability of government data catalogs we've seen popping up

13:55:57 <josema> scribeNick: edsu
13:56:26 <josema> q?

José Alonso: q?

13:57:00 <edsu> going to talk about why it's important ; what's out there now ; what the dcat vocab is ; some experiments we've been doing and where we should go next

going to talk about why it's important ; what's out there now ; what the dcat vocab is ; some experiments we've been doing and where we should go next

13:57:39 <edsu> cygri: there are more than 30 government data catalogues online

Richard Cyganiak: there are more than 30 government data catalogues online

13:58:46 <josema> compilation of the ones we found so far http://datos.fundacionctic.org/sandbox/catalog/ and http://datos.fundacionctic.org/sandbox/catalog/map ...

José Alonso: compilation of the ones we found so far http://datos.fundacionctic.org/sandbox/catalog/ and http://datos.fundacionctic.org/sandbox/catalog/map ...

13:58:48 <edsu> ... these efforts are done by both public and private parties

... these efforts are done by both public and private parties

13:59:04 <josema> ... or in RDF as default SPARQL query at http://data.fundacionctic.org/sparql ;)

José Alonso: ... or in RDF as default SPARQL query at http://data.fundacionctic.org/sparql ;)

13:59:33 <edsu> ... we're interested in this because the information is on the web and we'd like to query across the catalogs

... we're interested in this because the information is on the web and we'd like to query across the catalogs

14:00:06 <edsu> ... so information about san francisco can be found in local, state and federal catalogs

... so information about san francisco can be found in local, state and federal catalogs

14:00:39 <edsu> ... in the EU we can see how me might want an eu level catalog ... data.gov.eu

... in the EU we can see how me might want an eu level catalog ... data.gov.eu

14:01:57 <edsu> ... it would be nice to see new user interfaces for the data found in data catalogs ; which combine the metadata with the data itself ; also to do rating and social annotation of the data sets

... it would be nice to see new user interfaces for the data found in data catalogs ; which combine the metadata with the data itself ; also to do rating and social annotation of the data sets

14:03:26 <edsu> ... most of the data catalogs do export their data in a structured form

... most of the data catalogs do export their data in a structured form

14:04:02 <edsu> ... however each has its own specific format, the documentation for it is lacking

... however each has its own specific format, the documentation for it is lacking

14:05:01 <edsu> ... we did an in depth survey of 7 catalogs: some national some local

... we did an in depth survey of 7 catalogs: some national some local

14:05:35 <edsu> ... we looked at the metadata, looking at the datasets themselves was out of scope

... we looked at the metadata, looking at the datasets themselves was out of scope

14:07:08 <edsu> ... we surveyed the types of metadata available

... we surveyed the types of metadata available

14:07:38 <edsu> ... quite a lot of metadata fields are shared, which is good news for interoperability

... quite a lot of metadata fields are shared, which is good news for interoperability

14:08:18 <edsu> ... we also looked at metadata fields, how consistently it was used, for example date fields

... we also looked at metadata fields, how consistently it was used, for example date fields

14:08:26 <josema> q?

José Alonso: q?

14:10:03 <edsu> ... we also looked at direct download links

... we also looked at direct download links

14:10:28 <edsu> ... sometimes they go directly to the data, but quite often you go to a splash page, with a click through license, and find the download link on the page

... sometimes they go directly to the data, but quite often you go to a splash page, with a click through license, and find the download link on the page

14:10:35 <ChrisB> q+

Chris Beer: q+

14:10:44 <edsu> ... this is bad news for automatic processing of the data

... this is bad news for automatic processing of the data

14:11:12 <ChrisB> End

Chris Beer: End

14:11:16 <josema> thx

José Alonso: thx

14:12:13 <edsu> cygri: the dcat vocab is at http://vocab.deri.ie/dcat ; and an overview is available at http://vocab.deri.ie/dcat-overview

Richard Cyganiak: the dcat vocab is at http://vocab.deri.ie/dcat ; and an overview is available at http://vocab.deri.ie/dcat-overview

14:12:14 <josema> all, queue yourself if you have questions and we'll go through them at the end, thx

José Alonso: all, queue yourself if you have questions and we'll go through them at the end, thx

14:13:27 <edsu> cygri: we tried to keep in mind Hepp's Law: to be careful when designing a vocabulary not to make distinctions that aren't present in the data to be integrated

Richard Cyganiak: we tried to keep in mind Hepp's Law: to be careful when designing a vocabulary not to make distinctions that aren't present in the data to be integrated

14:13:52 <josema> [that was very good advice]

José Alonso: [that was very good advice]

14:14:11 <edsu> cygri: we don't want to require data cleansing before dcat can be used

Richard Cyganiak: we don't want to require data cleansing before dcat can be used

14:14:51 <edsu> cygri: rdf allows extensibility (classes and properties) to express additional information, so we focused on stuff that's in all the catalogs

Richard Cyganiak: rdf allows extensibility (classes and properties) to express additional information, so we focused on stuff that's in all the catalogs

14:15:29 <edsu> ... we tried to reuse from dublincore, skos and foaf, and minimized what we created ourselves

... we tried to reuse from dublincore, skos and foaf, and minimized what we created ourselves

14:16:40 <edsu> ... we introduced dcat:Catalog, dcat:Dataset, dcat:CatalogRecord, dcat:Distribution

... we introduced dcat:Catalog, dcat:Dataset, dcat:CatalogRecord, dcat:Distribution

14:17:02 <edsu> ... Distribution is used indicate that format that the dataset is available in

... Distribution is used indicate that format that the dataset is available in

14:17:19 <edsu> ... for example xml and json would be 2 Distributions

... for example xml and json would be 2 Distributions

14:17:44 <edsu> ... categorization of datasets is common, and we used skos for this

... categorization of datasets is common, and we used skos for this

14:18:14 <edsu> ... and the government agency that published the data was modeled with foaf:Organization

... and the government agency that published the data was modeled with foaf:Organization

14:19:43 <edsu> ... we loaded some of the datasets into a standard relational database ; and then mapped to rdf with d2r http://lab.linkeddata.deri.ie/govcat/

... we loaded some of the datasets into a standard relational database ; and then mapped to rdf with d2r http://lab.linkeddata.deri.ie/govcat/

14:19:56 <edsu> ... which has a sparql interface

... which has a sparql interface

14:20:11 <edsu> ... and we linked some things up to geonames and dbpedia

... and we linked some things up to geonames and dbpedia

14:20:30 <edsu> ... for example we linked the agencies to dbpedia

... for example we linked the agencies to dbpedia

14:21:54 <edsu> ... we did some example sparql queries for listing datasets that were published by agencies with budgets > a certain amount

... we did some example sparql queries for listing datasets that were published by agencies with budgets > a certain amount

14:23:42 <edsu> ... one of the benefits of using dcat is that it could enable distributed publishing, and federation later

... one of the benefits of using dcat is that it could enable distributed publishing, and federation later

14:23:42 <josema> q?

José Alonso: q?

14:24:10 <John> q+

John Sheridan: q+

14:24:22 <edsu> ... could also potentially allow datasets to be downloaded in an automated fashion

... could also potentially allow datasets to be downloaded in an automated fashion

14:24:58 <edsu> ... also applications that worked on one data catalog could be repurposed

... also applications that worked on one data catalog could be repurposed

14:25:26 <edsu> ... we're looking for feedback on the vocabulary, and to get more eyes on the vocab

... we're looking for feedback on the vocabulary, and to get more eyes on the vocab

14:25:43 <josema> q+

José Alonso: q+

14:25:55 <edsu> ... we're writing up a guide to using dcat

... we're writing up a guide to using dcat

14:26:31 <edsu> ... at deri we'd like to use dcat w/ voiD for describing rdf datasets

... at deri we'd like to use dcat w/ voiD for describing rdf datasets

14:27:07 <edsu> ... also w/ sdmx+rdf ; metadata about the dataset is important

... also w/ sdmx+rdf ; metadata about the dataset is important

14:27:49 <edsu> ... what really has to happen is that it needs to happen not only at DERI but elsewhere on the web, by the catalog publishers

... what really has to happen is that it needs to happen not only at DERI but elsewhere on the web, by the catalog publishers

14:28:23 <John> This is very important work

John Sheridan: This is very important work

14:28:31 <josema> q-

José Alonso: q-

14:29:00 <edsu> ... one question is, as more people are involved how do we organize our work in a distributed way?

... one question is, as more people are involved how do we organize our work in a distributed way?

14:29:24 <edsu> ... to what extent would the egov interest group be a good place to do this?

... to what extent would the egov interest group be a good place to do this?

14:29:40 <John> We need something like this for data.gov.uk RDF work

John Sheridan: We need something like this for data.gov.uk RDF work

14:29:49 <edsu> josema: thanks very much, we only have a few minutes for asking questions

José Alonso: thanks very much, we only have a few minutes for asking questions

14:29:50 <josema> ack ChrisB

José Alonso: ack ChrisB

14:30:32 <edsu> ChrisB: have you done anything with the datacite consortium, and when you were looking at australia did you look at the australian data service?

Chris Beer: have you done anything with the datacite consortium, and when you were looking at australia did you look at the australian data service?

14:31:14 <josema> ack John

José Alonso: ack John

14:31:21 <edsu> cygri: no we just looked at data.gov au, would be interested in that

Richard Cyganiak: no we just looked at data.gov au, would be interested in that

14:31:30 <sandro> PROPOSED: to extend the meeting, informally, for 15 minutes

PROPOSED: to extend the meeting, informally, for 15 minutes

14:31:30 <josema> q?

José Alonso: q?

14:32:01 <edsu> John: i have someone looking at your work right now, would it be possible to version the document, right now it's still in draft

John Sheridan: i have someone looking at your work right now, would it be possible to version the document, right now it's still in draft

14:32:25 <josema> let's say 10, sandro ;)

José Alonso: let's say 10, sandro ;)

14:32:42 <edsu> cygri: we have to provide some documentation about the use of other vocabularies, we have good coverage for the new vocabulary we have introduced

Richard Cyganiak: we have to provide some documentation about the use of other vocabularies, we have good coverage for the new vocabulary we have introduced

14:32:49 <Zakim> -ChrisB

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14:32:59 <edsu> John: do you need any help?

John Sheridan: do you need any help?

14:33:01 <sandro> q+

Sandro Hawke: q+

14:33:14 <edsu> cygri: yes, always :-) perhaps we can discuss offline a bit

Richard Cyganiak: yes, always :-) perhaps we can discuss offline a bit

14:33:39 <edsu> ... it has to be driven by working on actual data

... it has to be driven by working on actual data

14:33:44 <josema> edsu: +

Ed Summers: + [ Scribe Assist by José Alonso ]

14:33:48 <josema> q+

José Alonso: q+

14:33:49 <John> +1

John Sheridan: +1

14:34:23 <edsu> cygri: for v0.1 this is something we have to do here, it's hard to distribute

Richard Cyganiak: for v0.1 this is something we have to do here, it's hard to distribute

14:34:56 <josema> ack san

José Alonso: ack san

14:35:09 <edsu> josema: we're going to extend the meeting by 10-15 minutes

José Alonso: we're going to extend the meeting by 10-15 minutes

14:35:32 <John> +1

John Sheridan: +1

14:35:49 <edsu> sandro: this is very important work, i'm hoping that you can get users in the IG to help, but also institutional support from the w3c

Sandro Hawke: this is very important work, i'm hoping that you can get users in the IG to help, but also institutional support from the w3c

14:35:58 <John> We should try and support somehow...

John Sheridan: We should try and support somehow...

14:36:00 <josema> [I want to *thank* edsu for fantastic scribing today, wonderful, many many thanks]

José Alonso: [I want to *thank* edsu for fantastic scribing today, wonderful, many many thanks]

14:36:11 <John> +1

John Sheridan: +1

14:36:17 <edsu> cygri: i'm not sure if we should use the egov mailing list, or create another one (infrastructure) ; we need an issue tracker for this

Richard Cyganiak: i'm not sure if we should use the egov mailing list, or create another one (infrastructure) ; we need an issue tracker for this

14:36:39 <John> This is on the nail, practical, just what we need in UK

John Sheridan: This is on the nail, practical, just what we need in UK

14:36:50 <josema> it's something we also need for our work at CTIC, happy to help from here, preferred if within W3C

José Alonso: it's something we also need for our work at CTIC, happy to help from here, preferred if within W3C

14:36:59 <edsu> ... an IG can publish notes at the w3c, for something like dcat to have moer acceptance an IG Note would have a lot more acceptance

... an IG can publish notes at the w3c, for something like dcat to have more acceptance an IG Note would have a lot more acceptance

14:37:04 <edsu> s/moer/more/
14:37:04 <John> And we can try and implement over next few weeks

John Sheridan: And we can try and implement over next few weeks

14:37:24 <edsu> sandro: another thing is the namespace for the vocab, perhaps a w3c namespace would lend it more credibility

Sandro Hawke: another thing is the namespace for the vocab, perhaps a w3c namespace would lend it more credibility

14:37:29 <edsu> John: it would for us

John Sheridan: it would for us

14:38:02 <josema> q?

José Alonso: q?

14:38:18 <edsu> sandro: other applications i thought of: not every local gov't would have to make their own catalog, without requiring their own IT dept

Sandro Hawke: other applications i thought of: not every local gov't would have to make their own catalog, without requiring their own IT dept

14:38:22 <John> Yup!

John Sheridan: Yup!

14:38:29 <josema> +1

José Alonso: +1

14:38:46 <edsu> sandro: also, i was thinking it could be possible to publish mappings w/ dcat

Sandro Hawke: also, i was thinking it could be possible to publish mappings w/ dcat

14:38:49 <John> This is much much needed just now

John Sheridan: This is much much needed just now

14:38:57 <josema> ack me

José Alonso: ack me

14:39:23 <edsu> josema: we really, really need this at my place of work

José Alonso: we really, really need this at my place of work

14:39:36 <edsu> ... sandro, how should we proceed?

... sandro, how should we proceed?

14:39:57 <John> I'd love to see a group note on gov data catalogues

John Sheridan: I'd love to see a group note on gov data catalogues

14:40:10 <edsu> sandro: i'm happy to listen to what richard wants to do

Sandro Hawke: i'm happy to listen to what richard wants to do

14:40:28 <edsu> cygri: i haven't followed to closely how the IG is being run with sub-projects

Richard Cyganiak: i haven't followed too closely how the IG is being run with sub-projects

14:40:39 <josema> s/to/too
14:41:07 <edsu> ... with voiD we had good experience getting together a focused group, with a weekly call, with discussion list, issue tracker, and subversion repositoy

... with voiD we had good experience getting together a focused group, with a weekly call, with discussion list, issue tracker, and subversion repository

14:41:13 <edsu> s/repositoy/repository/
14:41:46 <edsu> ... i would try to replicate what we did w/ voiD

... i would try to replicate what we did w/ voiD

14:42:05 <edsu> sandro: people seemed to want to use the egov ig discussion list for sub-projects

Sandro Hawke: people seemed to want to use the egov ig discussion list for sub-projects

14:42:29 <edsu> ... maybe we could try to start on there with a [dcat] tag until someone complains

... maybe we could try to start on there with a [dcat] tag until someone complains

14:42:33 <edsu> cygri: i think that could work

Richard Cyganiak: i think that could work

14:42:59 <edsu> sandro: we could schedule a telecon, would richard be ok for chairing them?

Sandro Hawke: we could schedule a telecon, would richard be ok for chairing them?

14:43:05 <edsu> cygri: yes, great

Richard Cyganiak: yes, great

14:43:12 <josema> http://www.w3.org/egov/wiki/Projects

José Alonso: http://www.w3.org/egov/wiki/Projects

14:43:29 <edsu> josema: that's the link fot the current projects

José Alonso: that's the link fot the current projects

14:43:49 <edsu> sandro: a lot of those aren't meeting so i wouldn't worry about it too much

Sandro Hawke: a lot of those aren't meeting so i wouldn't worry about it too much

14:44:01 <John> fabulous Richard!

John Sheridan: fabulous Richard!

14:44:12 <edsu> +1

+1

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14:44:48 <edsu> josema: next meeting aprl 14th

José Alonso: next meeting aprl 14th

14:44:49 <Zakim> -cygri

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14:44:52 <Zakim> -Sandro

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14:44:55 <edsu> josema: we are adjourned

José Alonso: we are adjourned

14:44:56 <josema> [ADJOURNED]

José Alonso: [ADJOURNED]

14:45:02 <Zakim> -josema

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14:45:06 <josema> yup :)

José Alonso: yup :)

14:45:07 <Zakim> -edsu

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14:45:08 <Zakim> T&S_EGOV()9:00AM has ended

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14:45:09 <Zakim> Attendees were George, ChrisB, +0203334aaaa, Sandro, +03498429aabb, edsu, cygri, josema, Owen?, John?, Vassilios

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14:45:17 <josema> zakim, list attendees

José Alonso: zakim, list attendees

14:45:17 <Zakim> sorry, josema, I don't know what conference this is

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14:45:27 <josema> rrsagent, make minutes

José Alonso: rrsagent, make minutes

14:45:27 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/03/31-egov-minutes.html josema

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14:45:31 <edsu> Zakim: you're not the only one :-)

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14:45:42 <josema> ed, will you generate the wiki page?

José Alonso: ed, will you generate the wiki page?

14:45:52 <edsu> sandro: you helped me w/ that the last time

Sandro Hawke: you helped me w/ that the last time

14:46:03 <edsu> sandro: is it easy for you to do, or to tell me how to do?

Sandro Hawke: is it easy for you to do, or to tell me how to do?

14:46:32 <edsu> josema++ # thanks for getting richard to talk today, that was really good stuff

josema++ # thanks for getting richard to talk today, that was really good stuff



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