Meeting Record

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Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see Thomas, Sandro, johnlsheridan, Cory, +1.703.994.aacc ←

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Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see Thomas, Sandro, johnlsheridan (muted), Cory, Ken, edsu, Brian, Kevin ←

Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-14 -- John Sheridan to share how he justified the business decision of becoming W3C Members -- due 2008-10-30 -- OPEN ←

Daniel Bennett: Need design and requirements as well as branding and look of W3c sites. Should start with content decisions. [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ] ←

Sandro Hawke: george, which one is you, +1.202.690.aadd or +1.202.564.aaee ? ←

Sandro Hawke: Use of Wikipedia as a public face, in combination with the W3C materials. ←

Zakim IRC Bot: sandro, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Daniel_Bennett (30%), Brian (43%) ←

Daniel Bennett: We should use both Wikipedia and the w3.org site, [lots of details] [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ] ←

Brian Gryth: Use W3C page for more of assertion of best practice. Wikiepedia more of a general introduction. ←

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see Thomas, Sandro, johnlsheridan (muted), Cory, Ken, edsu, Kevin, Daniel_Bennett, Brian, Karen_Myers, George, +1.202.564.aaee, joec ←

Daniel Bennett: we're only like ten people; there are lots more people passing through wikipedia pages [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ] ←

Joe Carmel: Almost every site I found, like Josh's site on open gov data, ... they all require logins. [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ] ←

Chris Beer: That is actually I think a better open (@ken) IMO - we can't really self reference or write "original research" things on Wikipedia, however, we can write on mediawiki and use our work as references and links within the appropriate articles. ←

Sandro Hawke: if our community was active and monitoring [ Scribe Assist by Karen Myers ] ←

Chris Beer: All sites need logins - anon. edits on wikipedia tend to be scrutinised and aren't liked that much within the community unless its an obvious correction done by someone on the fly ←

Joe Carmel: Yes, if our stuff is valuable, we should put it there. [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ] ←

Daniel Bennett: yes, we should cite w3c when appropriate. especially to the standards ←

Daniel Bennett: our web site is staging ground and our work and then help with the wikipedia ←

Daniel Bennett: we dont need to worry about the wikipedia pages since it will take care of itself ←

Sandro Hawke: I hear consensus that we should maintain our wiki (not anonymous) and also help with some wikipedia pages [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ] ←

Chris Beer: +1 Daniel - wikipeida not really that good as a sandbox - combo of w3c mediawiki + blog + twit and good seo etc should get collaborators in - finished work on Wikipedia + identified pages that we should assist with. +1 sandro ←

Sandro Hawke: Lets make a wikipedia page on our wiki listing the pages we're thinking about, and related issues. [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ] ←

Daniel Bennett: yes, link to all relevant wikipedia pages that we think should be linked to. building a "web" of ... ←

Sandro Hawke: Conclusion; Use both, balance TBD. But both will be mediawiki. Have W3C page that links back to Wikipedia. All IG pages will be migrated to mediawiki. ←

Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-95 - move IG pages to mediawiki [on Sandro Hawke - due 2010-01-31]. ←

Daniel Bennett: I think the site design needs to follow knowing what we're doing [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ] ←

Sandro Hawke: Errrr, I don't think it should have "Projects" in there, though, Chris. ←

Kevin Novak: After we've done the Projects poll, let's turn it over to the ETF to come up with the information archietcure. [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ] ←

Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-91 Organize informal meeting of IG members at TPAC closed ←

Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-92 -- Kevin Novak to put out call for volunteers to survey agencies for those most ready for next steps in creating open data projects -- due 2009-09-30 -- OPEN ←

Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-92 put out call for volunteers to survey agencies for those most ready for next steps in creating open data projects closed ←

Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-93 investigate and report back WYSIWYG editor wiki options closed ←

Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-94 Send mail to the group about wikipedia ideas closed ←

Chris Beer: @sandro Sorry - was replying to mail - added under projects because I saw Daniel reply yes to my question of "under projects?". (and it is kind of a project in that sense). Trailing slash because its 1.30 am :) will fix ←

Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-33 Draft XML Schema for DRM as use case to use it for 10. What data? closed ←

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see Thomas, Sandro, johnlsheridan (muted), Cory, Ken, edsu, Kevin, Daniel_Bennett, Karen_Myers, George, +1.202.564.aaee, joec, [IPcaller], Brian (muted), ←

Kevin Novak: FOSE panel accepted for this March [ Scribe Assist by Karen Myers ] ←

George Thomas: Has a lot of information about I.T. investments but not reasons. Use semantic technologies connection what we are doing with why. Prototype using freebase – I.T. dashboard connected to OMG business motivation standard for “why”. Imported into semantic mediawiki. May be part of what HHS proposes to open gov project. Shows social media combined with RDF goodness ←

Chris Beer: I left some initial late night comments on his SDW page, but I think we def need some other demo's that equal his efforts, but in a non-US centric example. I saw Thomas sent a Euro suggestion to the list :) ←

Zakim IRC Bot: sandro, listening for 10 seconds I could not identify any sounds ←

George Thomas: interested in moving beyond freebase, maybe trying virtuoso, maybe experts doing better modeling, .... [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ] ←

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see Thomas, Sandro, johnlsheridan (muted), Cory, Ken, edsu, Kevin, Daniel_Bennett, Karen_Myers, George, Brand, joec, [IPcaller], Brian (muted), Jim, ??P27 ←

Zakim IRC Bot: sandro, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: George (40%) ←

Chris Beer: @george Still - the concepts are sound and for demo purposes could be ported to any engine/model ←

Daniel Bennett: is there that link to UML and XML Schemas you mentioned George? ←

Chris Beer: (Actually - big up to John LS :) Saw the Archives persistant link system for .gov.uk pages :) very nice, great LGD example in its own way ←

Sandro Hawke: yes, Cambridge Semantics has a product connecting spreadsheets to RDF ←

15:02:06 <johnlsheridan> zakim, unmute me

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15:02:44 <Karen> W3C-XBRL WOrkshop Link:

Karen Myers: W3C-XBRL WOrkshop Link: ←

15:02:44 <Daniel_Bennett> where on the agenda are we?

Daniel Bennett: where on the agenda are we? ←

15:02:45 <Karen> http://www.w3.org/2009/03/xbrl/cfp.html

Karen Myers: http://www.w3.org/2009/03/xbrl/cfp.html ←

15:03:01 <sandro> Daniel_Bennett, we're nominally still in the Demo section.

Sandro Hawke: Daniel_Bennett, we're nominally still in the Demo section. ←

15:03:04 <annew> who is speaking?

Anne Washington: who is speaking? ←

15:03:10 <joec> brand

Joe Carmel: brand ←

15:03:24 <Daniel_Bennett> Walter Hamscher, US Securities and Exchange Commission

Daniel Bennett: Walter Hamscher, US Securities and Exchange Commission ←

15:03:34 <annew> thanks

Anne Washington: thanks ←

15:04:34 <sandro> george: When a CIO hears this conversation, they're not interesting in a company that can solve their problems.  They want to know how and why it works.    This group needs to demonstrate how this works, not the tools.

George Thomas: When a CIO hears this conversation, they're not interesting in a company that can solve their problems. They want to know how and why it works. This group needs to demonstrate how this works, not the tools. [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ] ←

15:04:46 <sandro> who is talking?

Sandro Hawke: who is talking? ←

15:04:49 <Daniel_Bennett> we need to help techies talk to policy folks, use cases vs. geeky talk

Daniel Bennett: we need to help techies talk to policy folks, use cases vs. geeky talk ←

15:05:11 <Karen> Cambridge Semantics Presentation on spreadsheets; XBRL and SemWeb:

Karen Myers: Cambridge Semantics Presentation on spreadsheets; XBRL and SemWeb: ←

15:05:12 <Karen> http://www.w3.org/2009/03/xbrl/talks/Michael-Cataldo.pdf

Karen Myers: http://www.w3.org/2009/03/xbrl/talks/Michael-Cataldo.pdf ←

15:05:13 <Daniel_Bennett> please announce yourselves to the group

Daniel Bennett: please announce yourselves to the group ←

15:05:49 <sandro> rofl

Sandro Hawke: rofl ←

15:06:08 <sandro> brand: cloud computing will be a rainmaker

Brand Niemann: cloud computing will be a rainmaker [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ] ←

15:06:09 <johnlsheridan> I would agree with George, I thought he put it very well - the need to clearly demonstrate benefits in the context of a real use-case

John Sheridan: I would agree with George, I thought he put it very well - the need to clearly demonstrate benefits in the context of a real use-case ←

15:06:16 <Daniel_Bennett> +1 annew

Daniel Bennett: +1 annew ←

<cory> When talking to gov people, need to separate concerns of why and how, they need to understand the value and trust that it can be done. Others then need links to how to do it.

When talking to gov people, need to separate concerns of why and how, they need to understand the value and trust that it can be done. Others then need links to how to do it. ←

<george> +1

George Thomas: +1 ←

15:06:16 <ChrisBeer> (another suggestion for "case" demo - the current world wide linking of gov publications through libraries - its old tech, but perfect example of GLD based around publications)

Chris Beer: (another suggestion for "case" demo - the current world wide linking of gov publications through libraries - its old tech, but perfect example of GLD based around publications) ←

15:06:28 <Karen> +1 good discussion George

Karen Myers: +1 good discussion George ←

15:06:31 <johnlsheridan> thanks George!

John Sheridan: thanks George! ←

15:06:38 <ChrisBeer> +1 john

Chris Beer: +1 john ←

15:06:44 <annew> I think the title was cloud computing with a chance of semantics. LOL

Anne Washington: I think the title was cloud computing with a chance of semantics. LOL ←

<sandro> topic: Provenance Incubator group

8. Provenance Incubator group

<cory> Yolanda: Chair of provenance group, introduces group and defines problem space.

Yolanda Gil: Chair of provenance group, introduces group and defines problem space. ←

15:07:04 <sandro> http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/prov/wiki/

Sandro Hawke: http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/prov/wiki/ ←

15:07:04 <sandro> http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/prov/wiki/Provenance_Survey

Sandro Hawke: http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/prov/wiki/Provenance_Survey ←

15:07:04 <sandro> http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/prov/wiki/Provenance_Dimensions

Sandro Hawke: http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/prov/wiki/Provenance_Dimensions ←

15:07:04 <sandro> http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/prov/wiki/Use_Cases

Sandro Hawke: http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/prov/wiki/Use_Cases ←

15:07:04 <sandro> http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/prov/wiki/Use_Cases#Exemplifying_Provenance_Dimensions_with_Use_Cases

Sandro Hawke: http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/prov/wiki/Use_Cases#Exemplifying_Provenance_Dimensions_with_Use_Cases ←

15:07:24 <george> thank you all - i look forward to exploring more with all

George Thomas: thank you all - i look forward to exploring more with all ←

<cory> Yolanda: Goals, Understanding state of art and requirements for provenance on the web.  Way to capture, for any piece of information, how it came about – who, why, process, authority and such for judgments about trust.  How to handle inconsistency or conflict in data.  Applies across may domains of interest.  Gov interest group input would be appreciated.  There has been a lot of research in this areas.

Yolanda Gil: Goals, Understanding state of art and requirements for provenance on the web. Way to capture, for any piece of information, how it came about – who, why, process, authority and such for judgments about trust. How to handle inconsistency or conflict in data. Applies across may domains of interest. Gov interest group input would be appreciated. There has been a lot of research in this areas. ←

<cory> Yolanda: Provenance dimensions: http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/prov/wiki/Provenance_Dimensions

Yolanda Gil: Provenance dimensions: http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/prov/wiki/Provenance_Dimensions ←

<cory> Dimensions : Management, Polices, Scale, Use, Acountability, Trust jugements

Dimensions : Management, Polices, Scale, Use, Acountability, Trust jugements ←

<cory> Yolanda: Enumerated set of use cases. http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/prov/wiki/Use_Cases

Yolanda Gil: Enumerated set of use cases. http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/prov/wiki/Use_Cases ←

15:07:36 <ChrisBeer> I would put forward libraries as a good case study in that sense - has practical and obvious benefits, is already in use, is currently being made semantic.

Chris Beer: I would put forward libraries as a good case study in that sense - has practical and obvious benefits, is already in use, is currently being made semantic. ←

15:07:39 <Daniel_Bennett> Provenance has interesting overlaps with us

Daniel Bennett: Provenance has interesting overlaps with us ←

<cory> Joe: Considering digital signatures (Gov printing office)- would make a good use case.

Joe Carmel: Considering digital signatures (Gov printing office)- would make a good use case. ←

<cory> Yolanda: Don’t have that use case yet, but have discussed it.

Yolanda Gil: Don’t have that use case yet, but have discussed it. ←

15:08:01 <Zakim> -Brand

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15:08:22 <johnlsheridan> zakim, mute me

John Sheridan: zakim, mute me ←

15:08:22 <Zakim> johnlsheridan should now be muted

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15:11:13 <Daniel_Bennett> and for the public, the provenance of govt data is quite important, especially as the data is echoed through gov sites and non-gov sites

Daniel Bennett: and for the public, the provenance of govt data is quite important, especially as the data is echoed through gov sites and non-gov sites ←

15:12:25 <Daniel_Bennett> and as legacy data is copied from paper or old proprietary formats to electronic open standard formats.

Daniel Bennett: and as legacy data is copied from paper or old proprietary formats to electronic open standard formats. ←

15:12:32 <ChrisBeer> and yet how many (for instance) PDF files produced by .gov.* are digitially signed for instance - my experience is that solving prov. is as much about a shift in public sector culture as it is about tech

Chris Beer: and yet how many (for instance) PDF files produced by .gov.* are digitially signed for instance - my experience is that solving prov. is as much about a shift in public sector culture as it is about tech ←

15:12:51 <Cory> Don't need to sell me, need to know how we are going to support this in semweb!

Don't need to sell me, need to know how we are going to support this in semweb! ←

15:12:59 <ChrisBeer> (oh - rhetorical - not many .gov files are signed)

Chris Beer: (oh - rhetorical - not many .gov files are signed) ←

15:13:26 <ChrisBeer> <content> <has digisig> <value> :)

Chris Beer: <content> <has digisig> <value> :) ←

15:13:53 <Cory> <content> is graph, resource or triple?

<content> is graph, resource or triple? ←

15:14:23 <sandro> http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/prov/wiki/Provenance_Dimensions

Sandro Hawke: http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/prov/wiki/Provenance_Dimensions ←

15:14:54 <Daniel_Bennett> digital signatures is a closed system that can be helpful or not. I would say having a web of echoes and references around the web can be really valuable whether or not hashes or sigs are included.

Daniel Bennett: digital signatures is a closed system that can be helpful or not. I would say having a web of echoes and references around the web can be really valuable whether or not hashes or sigs are included. ←

15:15:03 <ChrisBeer> @Cory - has to be resource, or instance of resource (a "copy" in a publications sense) if its a file. signing a dataset presents its own prov. probs.

Chris Beer: @Cory - has to be resource, or instance of resource (a "copy" in a publications sense) if its a file. signing a dataset presents its own prov. probs. ←

15:16:05 <Daniel_Bennett> another reason to make government data easier to copy and reference.

Daniel Bennett: another reason to make government data easier to copy and reference. ←

15:16:16 <ChrisBeer> @Daniel - Prov is linked to trust - public only cares if the information is "official" or not - echoes and refs not simple enough

Chris Beer: @Daniel - Prov is linked to trust - public only cares if the information is "official" or not - echoes and refs not simple enough ←

15:16:36 <ChrisBeer> *simply

Chris Beer: *simply ←

15:16:50 <sandro> http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/prov/wiki/Use_Cases

Sandro Hawke: http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/prov/wiki/Use_Cases ←

15:16:51 <Cory> But a resource is not owned by any particular graph,

But a resource is not owned by any particular graph, ←

15:17:19 <sandro> wow, that's a lot of use cases....

Sandro Hawke: wow, that's a lot of use cases.... ←

15:18:00 <Daniel_Bennett> hmmm. i think that most people prefer easy to find data than "signed" documents. "trust" is usually oft repeated, but usually a secondary process when a problem arises.

Daniel Bennett: hmmm. i think that most people prefer easy to find data than "signed" documents. "trust" is usually oft repeated, but usually a secondary process when a problem arises. ←

15:18:26 <Daniel_Bennett> also most data is granular and is hard to sign each datum.

Daniel Bennett: also most data is granular and is hard to sign each datum. ←

15:18:27 <johnlsheridan> zakim, unmute me

John Sheridan: zakim, unmute me ←

15:18:27 <Zakim> johnlsheridan should no longer be muted

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15:18:56 <sandro> joe: digital signatures?

Joe Carmel: digital signatures? [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ] ←

15:19:12 <sandro> yolanda: it's not a use case for us, but it's important

Yolanda Gil: it's not a use case for us, but it's important [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ] ←

15:19:36 <annew> digital signatures for public laws as well as bills from the 110th congress

Anne Washington: digital signatures for public laws as well as bills from the 110th congress ←

15:19:40 <Daniel_Bennett> no one can keep john from speaking up. UNMUTE JOHN!

Daniel Bennett: no one can keep john from speaking up. UNMUTE JOHN! ←

15:19:42 <ChrisBeer> @Cory + @Daniel - think like a user, all other prov issues aside - public either wants first hand data/files/info from a .gov.* domain (which by inference is always "official") or if viewing second hand and wanting verfication of .gov.* prov, will check on .gov.* anyway

Chris Beer: @Cory + @Daniel - think like a user, all other prov issues aside - public either wants first hand data/files/info from a .gov.* domain (which by inference is always "official") or if viewing second hand and wanting verfication of .gov.* prov, will check on .gov.* anyway ←

15:19:47 <sandro> Joe_carmel: Gov't printing office GPO

Joe Carmel: Gov't printing office GPO [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ] ←

15:19:48 <sandro>  Yolanda Gil <gil@ISI.EDU>

Sandro Hawke: Yolanda Gil <gil@ISI.EDU> ←

15:20:01 <Daniel_Bennett> 10 mins left

Daniel Bennett: 10 mins left ←

15:20:05 <johnlsheridan> q+

John Sheridan: q+ ←

15:21:08 <Daniel_Bennett> +1 liaison with Provenance Incubator group

Daniel Bennett: +1 liaison with Provenance Incubator group ←

15:21:11 <sandro> cory: The Semantic Web stack needs some new standard here

Cory Casanave: The Semantic Web stack needs some new standard here [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ] ←

15:21:17 <edsu> some more info about gpo and digital signatures: http://www.gpo.gov/help/authentication_of_information.htm

Ed Summers: some more info about gpo and digital signatures: http://www.gpo.gov/help/authentication_of_information.htm ←

15:21:23 <sandro> yolanda: this group will run until september

Yolanda Gil: this group will run until september [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ] ←

15:21:46 <annew> +q

Anne Washington: +q ←

15:21:49 <sandro> ack johnlsheridan

Sandro Hawke: ack johnlsheridan ←

15:21:52 <ChrisBeer> +1 daniel - Prov + .gov.* + SM is a major issue we could use input on

Chris Beer: +1 daniel - Prov + .gov.* + SM is a major issue we could use input on ←

15:23:31 <ChrisBeer> (@edsu - thanks - I'll be waving that around a work tomorrow :) )

Chris Beer: (@edsu - thanks - I'll be waving that around a work tomorrow :) ) ←

15:23:35 <sandro> johnlsheridan: the kind of data publishing we're doing requires provenance tracking, especially through transforms.    your uses capture this well.   This is important work.

John Sheridan: the kind of data publishing we're doing requires provenance tracking, especially through transforms. your uses capture this well. This is important work. [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ] ←

15:24:25 <sandro> johnlsheridan: We've experimented with this for RDF haven't settled on a solution/approach yet.   We're going to need to do much more, and quickly.

John Sheridan: We've experimented with this for RDF haven't settled on a solution/approach yet. We're going to need to do much more, and quickly. [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ] ←

15:24:37 <sandro> yolanda: What vocabs?

Yolanda Gil: What vocabs? [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ] ←

15:24:49 <sandro> johnlsheridan: "Provance Vocabular" and "Open Provenance Model":

John Sheridan: "Provance Vocabular" and "Open Provenance Model": [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ] ←

15:25:00 <sandro> q?

Sandro Hawke: q? ←

15:25:08 <edsu> http://purl.org/net/provenance/ ?

Ed Summers: http://purl.org/net/provenance/ ? ←

15:25:33 <johnlsheridan> yup

John Sheridan: yup ←

15:25:36 <sandro> yolanda: They should be somewhere on our wiki....

Yolanda Gil: They should be somewhere on our wiki.... [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ] ←

15:25:36 <Daniel_Bennett> thinks we should look at Dublin Core as important to this

Daniel Bennett: thinks we should look at Dublin Core as important to this ←

15:25:58 <sandro> zakim, who is here?

Sandro Hawke: zakim, who is here? ←

15:25:58 <Zakim> On the phone I see Thomas, Sandro, johnlsheridan, Cory, Ken, edsu, Daniel_Bennett, Karen_Myers, George, joec, Brian (muted), ??P27, ??P31

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see Thomas, Sandro, johnlsheridan, Cory, Ken, edsu, Daniel_Bennett, Karen_Myers, George, joec, Brian (muted), ??P27, ??P31 ←

15:26:00 <johnlsheridan> sure, dc terms, but how far do we stretch them

John Sheridan: sure, dc terms, but how far do we stretch them ←

15:26:01 <Zakim> On IRC I see annew, joec, Karen, Daniel_Bennett, george, edsu, johnlsheridan, Cory, RRSAgent, Zakim, tb, ChrisBeer, hughb, trackbot, sandro

Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see annew, joec, Karen, Daniel_Bennett, george, edsu, johnlsheridan, Cory, RRSAgent, Zakim, tb, ChrisBeer, hughb, trackbot, sandro ←

15:26:06 <Zakim> -ThomasB

Zakim IRC Bot: -ThomasB ←

15:26:19 <edsu> johnlsheridan: you work with jeni at the uk archives right? http://www.jenitennison.com/blog/node/133

John Sheridan: you work with jeni at the uk archives right? http://www.jenitennison.com/blog/node/133 [ Scribe Assist by Ed Summers ] ←

15:26:24 <sandro> ack annew

Sandro Hawke: ack annew ←

15:26:26 <Cory> DC seems unusable, as the people are not resources

DC seems unusable, as the people are not resources ←

15:26:37 <johnlsheridan> Yes, Jeni is doing some work for me

John Sheridan: Yes, Jeni is doing some work for me ←

15:26:57 <sandro> annew: A whole body of work of digitigal archivists from UCLA, eScience, lets have a longer conversation

Anne Washington: A whole body of work of digitigal archivists from UCLA, eScience, lets have a longer conversation [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ] ←

15:27:03 <Daniel_Bennett> first is to promote just using Dublin Core, author, pub, license, and using permanent URLs is a good start.

Daniel Bennett: first is to promote just using Dublin Core, author, pub, license, and using permanent URLs is a good start. ←

15:27:17 <sandro> yolanda: talking to ....

Yolanda Gil: talking to .... [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ] ←

15:27:20 <johnlsheridan> +1 Daniel

John Sheridan: +1 Daniel ←

15:27:32 <joec> DDMS is a US government mil spec extending Dublin Core for governments

Joe Carmel: DDMS is a US government mil spec extending Dublin Core for governments ←

15:27:32 <johnlsheridan> Thanks Yolanda!

John Sheridan: Thanks Yolanda! ←

15:27:36 <ChrisBeer> @John thinking about @Daniel's comment on DC - would actually recommend you explore RDA - already mapped to DC and it will be Pubs/Archive specific

Chris Beer: @John thinking about @Daniel's comment on DC - would actually recommend you explore RDA - already mapped to DC and it will be Pubs/Archive specific ←

15:27:42 <annew> Annewas to escience activity at UCLA and the digital archive research

Anne Washington: Annewas to escience activity at UCLA and the digital archive research ←

15:27:55 <annew> *Anne's reference was

Anne Washington: *Anne's reference was ←

15:28:01 <edsu> Daniel_Bennett: agreed

Daniel Bennett: agreed [ Scribe Assist by Ed Summers ] ←

15:29:06 <annew> UCLA earlier research http://www.gseis.ucla.edu/us-interpares/

Anne Washington: UCLA earlier research http://www.gseis.ucla.edu/us-interpares/ ←

15:29:11 <johnlsheridan> there is a really tight synergy with gov linked data

John Sheridan: there is a really tight synergy with gov linked data ←

15:29:29 <sandro> Daniel_Bennett: let's just attend each other's meetings

Daniel Bennett: let's just attend each other's meetings [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ] ←

15:29:39 <annew> InterPARES (International Project on Permanent Authentic Records in Electronic Systems)

Anne Washington: InterPARES (International Project on Permanent Authentic Records in Electronic Systems) ←

15:30:00 <Daniel_Bennett> not just- at least

Daniel Bennett: not just- at least ←

15:30:05 <sandro> yolanda: 4 overlap between Prov and HCLS; but no person overlap with eGov yet

Yolanda Gil: 4 overlap between Prov and HCLS; but no person overlap with eGov yet [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ] ←

15:31:12 <ChrisBeer> @John http://dublincore.org/groups/libraries/rda/

Chris Beer: @John http://dublincore.org/groups/libraries/rda/ ←

15:32:27 <sandro> yolanda: first F2F probably at WWW, in North Carolina in ?April?

Yolanda Gil: first F2F probably at WWW, in North Carolina in ?April? [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ] ←

15:32:38 <edsu> apr 26-30 ; http://www2010.org/www/

Ed Summers: apr 26-30 ; http://www2010.org/www/ ←

15:32:46 <Zakim> -Brian

Zakim IRC Bot: -Brian ←

15:32:46 <annew> thanks yolanda!

Anne Washington: thanks yolanda! ←

15:32:47 <sandro> ADJOURN

Sandro Hawke: ADJOURN ←

<sandro> topic: After-Meeting Chatter

9. After-Meeting Chatter

15:32:52 <Zakim> -KenF

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15:32:53 <Zakim> -joec

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15:32:53 <Zakim> -Karen_Myers

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15:32:54 <Zakim> -George

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15:32:54 <Zakim> -johnlsheridan

Zakim IRC Bot: -johnlsheridan ←

15:32:57 <Zakim> -??P31

Zakim IRC Bot: -??P31 ←

15:32:59 <Zakim> -edsu

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15:33:01 <Zakim> -Sandro

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15:33:04 <Zakim> -??P27

Zakim IRC Bot: -??P27 ←

15:33:14 <Daniel_Bennett> hmm. ok bye.

Daniel Bennett: hmm. ok bye. ←

15:33:18 <edsu> :-)

Ed Summers: :-) ←

15:33:20 <ChrisBeer> @John RDA takes transforms into account too I believe, in the sense that it diffs between abstract "source" and copies in any format

Chris Beer: @John RDA takes transforms into account too I believe, in the sense that it diffs between abstract "source" and copies in any format ←

15:33:22 <Zakim> -Daniel_Bennett

Zakim IRC Bot: -Daniel_Bennett ←

15:33:36 <annew> somebody turn off the lights! bye

Anne Washington: somebody turn off the lights! bye ←

15:33:47 <johnlsheridan> thanks @chris

John Sheridan: thanks @chris ←

15:33:52 <Daniel_Bennett> but still on IRC. where the real convos happen ;-)

Daniel Bennett: but still on IRC. where the real convos happen ;-) ←

15:33:53 <edsu> ChrisBeer: my personal opinion is that it's early days for rda

Chris Beer: my personal opinion is that it's early days for rda [ Scribe Assist by Ed Summers ] ←

15:33:55 <sandro> there is a motion sensor.  they got off by themselves.  :-)

Sandro Hawke: there is a motion sensor. they got off by themselves. :-) ←

15:34:11 <edsu> ChrisBeer: and it's also very library/print oriented

Chris Beer: and it's also very library/print oriented [ Scribe Assist by Ed Summers ] ←

15:34:42 <ChrisBeer> @Sandro - "Resource Description and Access" (RDA) is a new content standard for resource description being developed on the foundations of library cataloguing practice established in the Anglo-American Cataloguing Rules (AACR).

Chris Beer: @Sandro - "Resource Description and Access" (RDA) is a new content standard for resource description being developed on the foundations of library cataloguing practice established in the Anglo-American Cataloguing Rules (AACR). ←

15:34:44 <Daniel_Bennett> see link that Chris put up: http://dublincore.org/groups/libraries/rda/

Daniel Bennett: see link that Chris put up: http://dublincore.org/groups/libraries/rda/ ←

15:34:59 <edsu> sandro, it's a big tome of new international cataloging rules, that is getting expressed somewhat as rdf vocabulary by folks in the dublin core community

Ed Summers: sandro, it's a big tome of new international cataloging rules, that is getting expressed somewhat as rdf vocabulary by folks in the dublin core community ←

15:35:07 <ChrisBeer> @Sandro - basically it's new SemWeb standard focused on publications

Chris Beer: @Sandro - basically it's new SemWeb standard focused on publications ←

15:35:35 <ChrisBeer> Geared towards digital content as well

Chris Beer: Geared towards digital content as well ←

15:35:49 <edsu> ChrisBeer: somewhat yes, but that's not its focus

Chris Beer: somewhat yes, but that's not its focus [ Scribe Assist by Ed Summers ] ←

15:36:05 <edsu> at least in my limited understanding :-)

Ed Summers: at least in my limited understanding :-) ←

15:38:09 <ChrisBeer> It's a big part of why they moved from MARC21 in my (also limitied) understanding. However it is definately geared towards archiving and cataloguing of any publication, so it complements other core semweb techs nicely

Chris Beer: It's a big part of why they moved from MARC21 in my (also limitied) understanding. However it is definately geared towards archiving and cataloguing of any publication, so it complements other core semweb techs nicely ←

15:38:23 <Zakim> disconnecting the lone participant, Cory, in T&S_EGOV()9:00AM

Zakim IRC Bot: disconnecting the lone participant, Cory, in T&S_EGOV()9:00AM ←

15:38:27 <Zakim> T&S_EGOV()9:00AM has ended

Zakim IRC Bot: T&S_EGOV()9:00AM has ended ←

15:38:29 <Zakim> Attendees were +49.178.404.aaaa, Sandro, Thomas, +1.703.880.aabb, Cory, +1.703.994.aacc, johnlsheridan, edsu, Ken, Brian, Kevin, Daniel_Bennett, Karen_Myers, +1.202.690.aadd,

Zakim IRC Bot: Attendees were +49.178.404.aaaa, Sandro, Thomas, +1.703.880.aabb, Cory, +1.703.994.aacc, johnlsheridan, edsu, Ken, Brian, Kevin, Daniel_Bennett, Karen_Myers, +1.202.690.aadd, ←

15:38:32 <Zakim> ... +1.202.564.aaee, joec, George, [IPcaller], +1.410.975.aaff, Brand, Jim

Zakim IRC Bot: ... +1.202.564.aaee, joec, George, [IPcaller], +1.410.975.aaff, Brand, Jim ←

15:39:19 <ChrisBeer> and it lets you include webpages which makes online archival of electronic resources easy for any gov org to manage - let the librarians take care of it for you ;)

Chris Beer: and it lets you include webpages which makes online archival of electronic resources easy for any gov org to manage - let the librarians take care of it for you ;) ←

15:39:20 <Daniel_Bennett> MARC ... MODS ... Dublin Core, we should include explanation on our site.

Daniel Bennett: MARC ... MODS ... Dublin Core, we should include explanation on our site. ←

15:39:33 <ChrisBeer> Agreed

Chris Beer: Agreed ←

15:40:18 <edsu> i guess it wouldn't be the first time people advocated for metadata in gov web pages :) http://dublincore.org/dcgapwiki/

Ed Summers: i guess it wouldn't be the first time people advocated for metadata in gov web pages :) http://dublincore.org/dcgapwiki/ ←

15:41:28 <ChrisBeer> Technically you have to by law here. I'm currently setting up my Depts/Ministries centralised pubs area on our site - using both our official metadata standard + RDA which gets released in 6 months or so. Bye!

Chris Beer: Technically you have to by law here. I'm currently setting up my Depts/Ministries centralised pubs area on our site - using both our official metadata standard + RDA which gets released in 6 months or so. Bye! ←

15:42:26 <ChrisBeer> 2.30 am here - off to bed with me I think

Chris Beer: 2.30 am here - off to bed with me I think ←

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eGovernment Interest Group

Minutes of 06 January 2010

1. Next Meetings, Scribe

2. Action Review

3. Our Website

4. Action Review (cont)

5. Project Poll

6. Events

7. George's GLD IT Dashboard Demo

8. Provenance Incubator group

9. After-Meeting Chatter