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eGovernment Interest Group Teleconference

Minutes of 08 October 2008

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John Sheridan, José Alonso, Kevin Novak, Oscar Azanon Esteire, Unknown OCR
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15:02:06 <RRSAgent> logging to http://www.w3.org/2008/10/08-egov-irc

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15:02:08 <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs public

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15:02:10 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be EGOV

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15:02:11 <trackbot> Meeting: eGovernment Interest Group Teleconference
15:02:11 <trackbot> Date: 08 October 2008
15:02:30 <josema> chair: john, kevin
15:02:34 <josema> scribe: josema

(Scribe set to José Alonso)

15:02:44 <josema> zakim, who's here?

zakim, who's here?

15:02:44 <Zakim> sorry, josema, I don't know what conference this is

Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, josema, I don't know what conference this is

15:02:45 <Zakim> On IRC I see RRSAgent, josema, John, kjetil, trackbot

Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see RRSAgent, josema, John, kjetil, trackbot

15:03:06 <josema> zakim, this is egov

zakim, this is egov

15:03:07 <Zakim> ok, josema; that matches T&S_EGOV()11:00AM

Zakim IRC Bot: ok, josema; that matches T&S_EGOV()11:00AM

15:03:14 <josema> zakim, who's here?

zakim, who's here?

15:03:22 <Zakim> On the phone I see +0203334aaaa

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see +0203334aaaa

15:03:30 <josema> zakim, call josema-office

zakim, call josema-office

15:03:35 <Zakim> On IRC I see RRSAgent, josema, John, kjetil, trackbot

Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see RRSAgent, josema, John, kjetil, trackbot

15:03:41 <Zakim> ok, josema; the call is being made

Zakim IRC Bot: ok, josema; the call is being made

15:03:44 <Zakim> +Josema

Zakim IRC Bot: +Josema

15:04:15 <josema> zakim, aaaa is john

zakim, aaaa is john

15:04:28 <josema> zakim, who's here?

zakim, who's here?

15:04:38 <Zakim> +john; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +john; got it

15:04:49 <Zakim> On the phone I see john, Josema

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see john, Josema

15:05:19 <Zakim> On IRC I see RRSAgent, josema, John, kjetil, trackbot

Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see RRSAgent, josema, John, kjetil, trackbot

15:07:20 <josema> q?

q?

15:07:34 <Zakim> + +1.202.626.aabb

Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.202.626.aabb

15:07:38 <josema> zakim, who's here?

zakim, who's here?

15:07:38 <Zakim> On the phone I see john, Josema, +1.202.626.aabb

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see john, Josema, +1.202.626.aabb

15:07:39 <Zakim> On IRC I see RRSAgent, josema, John, kjetil, trackbot

Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see RRSAgent, josema, John, kjetil, trackbot

15:07:51 <josema> zakim, aabb is kevin

zakim, aabb is kevin

15:07:51 <Zakim> +kevin; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +kevin; got it

15:08:12 <josema> zakim, who's here?

zakim, who's here?

15:08:12 <Zakim> On the phone I see john, Josema, kevin

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see john, Josema, kevin

15:08:14 <Zakim> On IRC I see RRSAgent, josema, John, kjetil, trackbot

Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see RRSAgent, josema, John, kjetil, trackbot

15:10:57 <josema> q?

q?

15:15:06 <josema> [some talk about previous Group call and some frustration]

[some talk about previous Group call and some frustration]

15:15:35 <josema> john: I believe we need to define very clearly a number of small tasks

John Sheridan: I believe we need to define very clearly a number of small tasks

15:15:40 <josema> ... in advance of the F2F

... in advance of the F2F

15:16:22 <josema> ... and build something from the week before until the week after

... and build something from the week before until the week after

15:17:01 <josema> kevin: tried this with the use cases back around July

Kevin Novak: tried this with the use cases back around July

15:17:28 <josema> ... didn't seem to work despite a couple were uploaded

... didn't seem to work despite a couple were uploaded

15:18:06 <josema> ... then some discussion about micromanaging people or not

... then some discussion about micromanaging people or not

15:18:13 <josema> ... some seem to prefer, some not

... some seem to prefer, some not

15:18:45 <josema> john: we might want to be a bit more prescriptive at least

John Sheridan: we might want to be a bit more prescriptive at least

15:18:51 <josema> ... for the days around the F2F

... for the days around the F2F

15:20:00 <josema> kevin: sometimes is difficult to do that on the phone

Kevin Novak: sometimes is difficult to do that on the phone

15:20:08 <josema> ... let's take advantage of the F2F

... let's take advantage of the F2F

15:20:21 <josema> john: in any case, next Group call we should review the use cases

John Sheridan: in any case, next Group call we should review the use cases

15:20:43 <josema> ... we have and let people refine them or add before F2F for one week

... we have and let people refine them or add before F2F for one week

15:21:03 <josema> ... then discuss at the F2F, building it around the use cases

... then discuss at the F2F, building it around the use cases

15:21:20 <josema> ... shaping them and come up with the real set we want to solve

... shaping them and come up with the real set we want to solve

15:21:35 <josema> ... see a week after if we are missing any important

... see a week after if we are missing any important

15:22:05 <josema> kevin: if we could do that, I'd be satisfied

Kevin Novak: if we could do that, I'd be satisfied

15:22:57 <josema> john: we could say that if you don't have a case you need to produce one

John Sheridan: we could say that if you don't have a case you need to produce one

15:23:47 <josema> [use cases so far: http://www.w3.org/2007/eGov/IG/wiki/Use_Cases]

[use cases so far: http://www.w3.org/2007/eGov/IG/wiki/Use_Cases]

15:25:36 <josema> jose: we tried use cases before, did not work

José Alonso: we tried use cases before, did not work

15:25:49 <josema> ... if we do it this time, should be much more specific tasks

... if we do it this time, should be much more specific tasks

15:25:58 <josema> ... agree with John's view here

... agree with John's view here

15:26:25 <josema> john: it does not have very deep, but individuals should leave

John Sheridan: it does not have very deep, but individuals should leave

15:26:31 <josema> ... with a clear idea on what to work

... with a clear idea on what to work

15:26:58 <josema> [http://www.w3.org/2007/eGov/IG/wiki/Inventory]

[http://www.w3.org/2007/eGov/IG/wiki/Inventory]

15:28:14 <josema> jose: how to start the list?

José Alonso: how to start the list?

15:28:23 <josema> kevin: let's do it by email

Kevin Novak: let's do it by email

15:30:25 <Zakim> + +34.98.439.aacc

Zakim IRC Bot: + +34.98.439.aacc

15:30:38 <josema> zakim, aacc is oscar

zakim, aacc is oscar

15:30:38 <Zakim> +oscar; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +oscar; got it

15:30:58 <josema> jose: what about reviewing WebArch?

José Alonso: what about reviewing WebArch?

15:31:22 <josema> [http://www.w3.org/TR/webarch/]

[http://www.w3.org/TR/webarch/]

15:37:19 <josema> ... eg. persistence of URIs

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... eg. persistence of URIs

15:37:35 <josema> zakim oscar is OCR

15:37:40 <josema> zakim, oscar is OCR

zakim, oscar is OCR

15:37:40 <Zakim> +OCR; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +OCR; got it

15:37:57 <josema> s/zakim oscar is OCR//
15:40:54 <josema> john: also a problem of accountability in several cases

John Sheridan: also a problem of accountability in several cases

15:41:15 <josema> ... besides the WebArch

... besides the WebArch

15:41:20 <josema> ... I could write that one

... I could write that one

15:41:25 <josema> jose: please, do

José Alonso: please, do

15:42:16 <josema> .. .talk about agenda for next Group call and F2F?

.. .talk about agenda for next Group call and F2F?

15:42:47 <josema> john: yes, next call let's focus on get specific tasks

John Sheridan: yes, next call let's focus on get specific tasks

15:43:07 <josema> ... list of areas for use cases by email

... list of areas for use cases by email

15:43:13 <josema> ... we should have it by Monday

... we should have it by Monday

15:43:28 <josema> kevin: it's likely I could not make it to the F2F

Kevin Novak: it's likely I could not make it to the F2F

15:43:38 <josema> ... prefer to defer to you how to build the structure

... prefer to defer to you how to build the structure

15:44:39 <josema> john: would like to have two rounds at the F2F

John Sheridan: would like to have two rounds at the F2F

15:44:46 <josema> .. first day list and review cases

.. first day list and review cases

15:44:52 <josema> ... second: go through them again

.... second: go through them again

15:45:01 <josema> s/../...
15:45:40 <josema> ... taking what we have learned on day 1 and take it to the next phase

... taking what we have learned on day 1 and take it to the next phase

15:45:42 <josema> ... around themes

... around themes

15:48:56 <josema> oscar: we might need to outline the document during the F2F

Oscar Azanon Esteire: we might need to outline the document during the F2F

15:49:10 <josema> jose: editing at W3C is a science on its own ;)

José Alonso: editing at W3C is a science on its own ;)

15:49:23 <josema> john: if we can setup the main themes by the next call

John Sheridan: if we can setup the main themes by the next call

15:49:31 <josema> ... that should give us the basic outline of the document

... that should give us the basic outline of the document

15:49:52 <josema> ... also structure of our F2F two days

... also structure of our F2F two days

15:50:41 <josema> ... we should not underestimate the amount of work to coordinate

... we should not underestimate the amount of work to coordinate

15:50:49 <josema> ... the various contributions

... the various contributions

15:50:54 <josema> ... but key is structure

... but key is structure

15:53:06 <josema> jose: SEMIC.EU is sending a rep, discussed about presentation

José Alonso: SEMIC.EU is sending a rep, discussed about presentation

15:53:25 <josema> john: could be interested, could bring a theme to our discussion

John Sheridan: could be interested, could bring a theme to our discussion

15:53:28 <josema> ... and maybe some use cases

... and maybe some use cases

15:53:54 <josema> ... if he wants to speak is fine

... if he wants to speak is fine

15:56:43 <josema> ... also IDABC summary

... also IDABC summary

15:56:54 <josema> jose: I could do 5 minutes on that

José Alonso: I could do 5 minutes on that

15:57:46 <josema> http://www.w3.org/2007/eGov/IG/wiki/TPAC2008

http://www.w3.org/2007/eGov/IG/wiki/TPAC2008

16:00:17 <josema> -> http://www.w3.org/2008/10/TPAC/AC-Agenda AC Agenda

-> http://www.w3.org/2008/10/TPAC/AC-Agenda AC Agenda

16:02:42 <josema> ACTION kevin to discuss themes by email by Monday

ACTION kevin to discuss themes by email by Monday

16:02:42 <trackbot> Created ACTION-10 - Discuss themes by email by Monday [on Kevin Novak - due 2008-10-15].

Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-10 - Discuss themes by email by Monday [on Kevin Novak - due 2008-10-15].

16:02:52 <josema> ACTION john to discuss themes by email by Monday

ACTION john to discuss themes by email by Monday

16:02:52 <trackbot> Sorry, amibiguous username (more than one match) - john

Trackbot IRC Bot: Sorry, amibiguous username (more than one match) - john

16:02:52 <trackbot> Try using a different identifier, such as family name or username (eg. jwonderl, jsherida)

Trackbot IRC Bot: Try using a different identifier, such as family name or username (eg. jwonderl, jsherida)

16:03:07 <josema> ACTION jsherida to discuss themes by email by Monday

ACTION jsherida to discuss themes by email by Monday

16:03:07 <trackbot> Created ACTION-11 - Discuss themes by email by Monday [on John Sheridan - due 2008-10-15].

Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-11 - Discuss themes by email by Monday [on John Sheridan - due 2008-10-15].

16:03:27 <Zakim> -kevin

Zakim IRC Bot: -kevin

16:03:37 <Zakim> -Josema

Zakim IRC Bot: -Josema

16:03:39 <Zakim> -OCR

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16:03:41 <Zakim> T&S_EGOV()11:00AM has ended

Zakim IRC Bot: T&S_EGOV()11:00AM has ended

16:03:45 <Zakim> Attendees were +0203334aaaa, Josema, john, +1.202.626.aabb, kevin, +34.98.439.aacc, OCR

Zakim IRC Bot: Attendees were +0203334aaaa, Josema, john, +1.202.626.aabb, kevin, +34.98.439.aacc, OCR

16:03:56 <josema> [John to start discussion]

[John to start discussion]

16:04:03 <josema> [ADJOURNED]

[ADJOURNED]

16:04:09 <josema> zakim, who's here?

zakim, who's here?

16:04:09 <Zakim> apparently T&S_EGOV()11:00AM has ended, josema

Zakim IRC Bot: apparently T&S_EGOV()11:00AM has ended, josema

16:04:10 <Zakim> On IRC I see OCR, Zakim, RRSAgent, josema, John, kjetil, trackbot

Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see OCR, Zakim, RRSAgent, josema, John, kjetil, trackbot

16:04:16 <josema> zakim, who was here?

zakim, who was here?

16:04:16 <Zakim> I don't understand your question, josema.

Zakim IRC Bot: I don't understand your question, josema.

16:04:31 <josema> RRSAgent, draft minutes

RRSAgent, draft minutes

16:04:31 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/10/08-egov-minutes.html josema

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16:04:55 <josema> RRSAgent, make minutes public

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16:05:05 <josema> RRSAgent, stop logging

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