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Data on the Web Best Practices Working Group Teleconference

Minutes of 24 July 2015

Agenda
https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Meetings:Telecon20150724
Seen
Adriano Pereira, Annette Greiner, Carlos Laufer, Caroline Burle, Deirdre Lee, Eric Kauz, Eric Stephan, Jeremy Debattista, Manuel Carrasco Benitez, Peter Winstanley, Phil Archer, Riccardo Albertoni, Yaso Córdova
Scribe
Caroline Burle
IRC Log
Original
Resolutions
  1. Approve last week's meeting minutes http://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/dwbp/2015-07-17 link
  2. remove duv:retains property and provide guidance in DUV on recording provenance for DU issue-174 link
  3. We remove the DatasetCorrection class link
Topics
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12:57:29 <trackbot> Meeting: Data on the Web Best Practices Working Group Teleconference
12:57:29 <trackbot> Date: 24 July 2015
13:02:30 <deirdrelee> present+ deirdrelee

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Deirdre Lee: present+ deirdrelee

13:02:45 <phila> present+ PhilA

Phil Archer: present+ PhilA

13:03:10 <MTCarrasco> present+

Manuel Carrasco Benitez: present+

13:03:39 <phila> present+ MTCarrasco

Phil Archer: present+ MTCarrasco

13:03:54 <Caroline_> Present+ Caroline_

Caroline Burle: Present+ Caroline_

13:04:07 <RiccardoAlbertoni> present+ RiccardoAlbertoni

Riccardo Albertoni: present+ RiccardoAlbertoni

13:04:14 <Eric_Kauz> present+ Eric_Kauz

Eric Kauz: present+ Eric_Kauz

13:04:16 <RiccardoAlbertoni> hi all1

Riccardo Albertoni: hi all1

13:04:28 <jerdeb> present+ jerdeb

Jeremy Debattista: present+ jerdeb

13:04:48 <deirdrelee> Agenda: https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Meetings:Telecon20150724
13:04:58 <ericstephan> present+

Eric Stephan: present+

13:05:01 <InWeb-AdrianoC> Hi All!

Adriano Pereira: Hi All!

13:05:14 <Caroline_> Hello! :)

Caroline Burle: Hello! :)

13:05:17 <ericstephan> present+ Ericstephan

Eric Stephan: present+ Ericstephan

13:05:31 <Caroline_> I can scribe!

Caroline Burle: I can scribe!

13:05:39 <Caroline_> scribe: Caroline_

(Scribe set to Caroline Burle)

13:06:03 <annette_g> present+ annette_g

Annette Greiner: present+ annette_g

13:06:04 <deirdrelee> PROPOSED: Approve last week's meeting minutes http://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/dwbp/2015-07-17

PROPOSED: Approve last week's meeting minutes http://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/dwbp/2015-07-17

13:06:12 <Caroline_> +1

+1

13:06:16 <ericstephan> +1

Eric Stephan: +1

13:06:17 <deirdrelee> +1

Deirdre Lee: +1

13:06:19 <InWeb-AdrianoC> +1

Adriano Pereira: +1

13:06:20 <PeterWinstanley> present+ PeterWinstanley

Peter Winstanley: present+ PeterWinstanley

13:06:21 <RiccardoAlbertoni> +1

Riccardo Albertoni: +1

13:06:29 <annette_g> +1

Annette Greiner: +1

13:06:32 <deirdrelee> RESOLVED: Approve last week's meeting minutes http://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/dwbp/2015-07-17

RESOLVED: Approve last week's meeting minutes http://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/dwbp/2015-07-17

13:06:53 <PeterWinstanley> Hi Team, sorry I'm late.

Peter Winstanley: Hi Team, sorry I'm late.

13:07:25 <Caroline_> deirdrelee: we can talk briefly about all the documents before getting to DUV

Deirdre Lee: we can talk briefly about all the documents before getting to DUV

13:08:17 <phila> Caroline_: Bernadette is at a conference, Newton on holiday

Caroline Burle: Bernadette is at a conference, Newton on holiday [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ]

13:08:35 <phila> ... we usually have a weekly meeting. We have a lot to do before the F2F if we're going to get a new version

Phil Archer: ... we usually have a weekly meeting. We have a lot to do before the F2F if we're going to get a new version

13:08:53 <phila> Caroline_: Peter spoke last week about imroving the BP template

Caroline Burle: Peter spoke last week about imroving the BP template [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ]

13:09:22 <phila> ... We see it as a big cahallenge to update to his suggested template. We like it, but we're concerned about getting hte document finished by the end of the year

Phil Archer: ... We see it as a big cahallenge to update to his suggested template. We like it, but we're concerned about getting hte document finished by the end of the year

13:09:32 <phila> ... so we'd need help

Phil Archer: ... so we'd need help

13:09:41 <phila> ... It's great that the vocabs are getting together

Phil Archer: ... It's great that the vocabs are getting together

13:10:01 <phila> ... but it would be nice to get attantion on the BP doc so that we can make progress

Phil Archer: ... but it would be nice to get attantion on the BP doc so that we can make progress

13:10:09 <phila> ... Not sure if Newton has put commnets in the tracker yet

Phil Archer: ... Not sure if Newton has put commnets in the tracker yet

13:10:22 <phila> ... We must focus on getting back to the DCAT discussion to get agreement on that.

Phil Archer: ... We must focus on getting back to the DCAT discussion to get agreement on that.

13:10:28 <phila> ... Also we're working on a @@@ model

Phil Archer: ... Also we're working on a maturity model

13:10:43 <phila> ... we need input on that during the week (this week is on DUV)

Phil Archer: ... we need input on that during the week (this week is on DUV)

13:11:34 <phila> Caroline_: We need more examples in the doc and that needs help. This is important so that we can test the BPs

Caroline Burle: We need more examples in the doc and that needs help. This is important so that we can test the BPs [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ]

13:11:57 <phila> ... Also we need to start defining what the tests will be. We thought we could get examples and see how the tests ...

Phil Archer: ... Also we need to start defining what the tests will be. We thought we could get examples and see how the tests ...

13:12:15 <phila> ... we want to look at what other WGs have done. But we need to think about how we're going to test our BPs.

Phil Archer: ... we want to look at what other WGs have done. But we need to think about how we're going to test our BPs.

13:12:29 <phila> Caroline_: If you have suggestions we're always open to them. Thank you

Caroline Burle: If you have suggestions we're always open to them. Thank you [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ]

13:13:07 <phila> deirdrelee: Thanks Carol. If you can set out what you need decisions on, we can put them on next bweek's agenda

Deirdre Lee: Thanks Carol. If you can set out what you need decisions on, we can put them on next bweek's agenda [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ]

13:13:24 <phila> ... maybe 3-5 concrete things you need decisions on and then we can go from there.

Phil Archer: ... maybe 3-5 concrete things you need decisions on and then we can go from there.

13:13:52 <phila> Action: Burle to send e-mail to the WG summarising the currente state of the BP doc, including tasks and decisions to be taken.

ACTION: Burle to send e-mail to the WG summarising the currente state of the BP doc, including tasks and decisions to be taken.

13:13:52 <trackbot> Created ACTION-190 - Send e-mail to the wg summarising the currente state of the bp doc, including tasks and decisions to be taken. [on Caroline Burle - due 2015-07-31].

Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-190 - Send e-mail to the wg summarising the currente state of the bp doc, including tasks and decisions to be taken. [on Caroline Burle - due 2015-07-31].

13:14:17 <phila> Topic: DQV

1. DQV

13:14:19 <yaso> present +

Yaso Córdova: present +

13:14:30 <Caroline_> deirdrelee: let's talk about DUV

Deirdre Lee: let's talk about DUV

13:15:02 <Caroline_> RiccardoAlbertoni: the last two calls were very productive in terms of discussion

Riccardo Albertoni: the last two calls were very productive in terms of discussion

13:15:09 <ericstephan> Caroline_: current discussion on Data quality vocab

Caroline Burle: current discussion on Data quality vocab [ Scribe Assist by Eric Stephan ]

13:15:43 <Caroline_> ... I have to suggest a possible agenda for next f2f on data quality discussion

... I have to suggest a possible agenda for next f2f on data quality discussion

13:16:02 <Caroline_> deirdrelee: let's move to data usage vocabulary

Deirdre Lee: let's move to data usage vocabulary

13:16:14 <phila> I see there are 8 weeks between now and the F2F -including hte northern hemisphere summer

Phil Archer: I see there are 8 weeks between now and the F2F -including hte northern hemisphere summer

13:16:20 <phila> Topic: Dataset Usage Vocabulary

2. Dataset Usage Vocabulary

13:16:58 <ericstephan> http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/actions/189

Eric Stephan: http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/actions/189

13:16:58 <Caroline_> ericstephan: we have made references to july's meetings

Eric Stephan: we have made references to july's meetings

13:17:11 <Caroline_> ... the action 189 http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/actions/189

... the ACTION-189 http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/actions/189

13:17:36 <Caroline_> ... is to make sure we incorporate the issues we discussed three weeks ago on the document

... is to make sure we incorporate the issues we discussed three weeks ago on the document

13:17:39 <deirdrelee> q?

Deirdre Lee: q?

13:17:59 <Caroline_> ... where there any updates that still need to be incorporated in public comment versus what we have in github?

... were there any updates that still need to be incorporated in public comment versus what we have in github?

13:18:06 <Caroline_> s/where/were
13:18:45 <Caroline_> s/@@@/maturity
13:19:09 <Caroline_> phila: there are somethings that have to be done

Phil Archer: there are somethings that have to be done

13:19:29 <Caroline_> ... ex. we must write World Wide Web with capital letters

... ex. we must write World Wide Web with capital letters

13:19:47 <Caroline_> ... that is the kind of thing I must do

... that is the kind of thing I must do

13:20:02 <Caroline_> ... it is easier for me to do it than ask anyone else to do it

... it is easier for me to do it than ask anyone else to do it

13:20:10 <Caroline_> ... I should track all these changes

... I should track all these changes

13:20:19 <Caroline_> ... ericstephan carry on as you are

... ericstephan carry on as you are

13:20:41 <Caroline_> ... if you see some of these changes please replicate it, but I am not asking you to make all these changes

... if you see some of these changes please replicate it, but I am not asking you to make all these changes

13:20:54 <Caroline_> ericstephan: I think consistance on american spelling is ??

Eric Stephan: I think consistance on american spelling is an oxymoron

13:21:20 <Caroline_> ... I didn't want to mess up what you got there

... I didn't want to mess up what you got there

13:21:28 <Caroline_> ... can we jump into the issues?

... can we jump into the issues?

13:21:30 <Caroline_> deirdrelee: yes

Deirdre Lee: yes

13:21:34 <phila> s/??/an oxymoron/
13:21:39 <ericstephan> http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/173

Eric Stephan: http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/173

13:21:55 <phila> issue-173?

Phil Archer: ISSUE-173?

13:21:55 <trackbot> issue-173 -- The use of cito:CitationAct and duv:Citation should be reviewed. -- open

Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-173 -- The use of cito:CitationAct and duv:Citation should be reviewed. -- open

13:21:55 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/173

Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/173

13:21:56 <Caroline_> ericstephan: during july 3rd meeting we had a issues 169 to 172 that we have not resolved in the meeting

Eric Stephan: during july 3rd meeting we had a issues 169 to 172 that we have not resolved in the meeting

13:22:14 <Caroline_> ... the issue 173 http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/173 is where we left it of

... the ISSUE-173 http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/173 is where we left it of

13:22:46 <Caroline_> ... I would appreciate opinions about it

... I would appreciate opinions about it

13:22:55 <Caroline_> ... same or different of Carlos

... same or different of Carlos

13:23:02 <deirdrelee> DUV http://www.w3.org/TR/vocab-duv/

Deirdre Lee: DUV http://www.w3.org/TR/vocab-duv/

13:23:18 <Caroline_> ... I think where Carlos was coming from perhaps that using the data usage vocabulary ??

... I think where Carlos was coming from perhaps that using the data usage vocabulary ??

13:23:34 <Caroline_> ... are we doing things in a similar way of DCAT?

... are we doing things in a similar way of DCAT?

13:23:54 <phila> q+

Phil Archer: q+

13:23:54 <Caroline_> ... I wouljd like to keep this issue open and have more clarification with Carlos on it

... I wouljd like to keep this issue open and have more clarification with Carlos on it

13:24:25 <Caroline_> ... I think if DCAT is doing things in a certain way we could do things in a synergic way thinking on what DACT is already using

... I think if DCAT is doing things in a certain way we could do things in a synergic way thinking on what DACT is already using

13:25:14 <Caroline_> ... the reason why we chose ?? in the very begining is because it has few classes and a number of properties

... the reason why we chose dublin core in the very begining is because it has few classes and a number of properties

13:25:23 <Caroline_> ... I wasn't thinking about vocabulary reuse

... I wasn't thinking about vocabulary reuse

13:25:38 <Caroline_> s/??/dublin core
13:25:53 <deirdrelee> ack phila

Deirdre Lee: ack phila

13:26:24 <Caroline_> phila: are you trying to give a textual string how you site it?

Phil Archer: are you trying to give a textual string how you site it?

13:26:33 <Caroline_> ... what is the nature of the class?

... what is the nature of the class?

13:26:53 <Caroline_> ericstephan: thre was quite a bit of discussion after the f2f

Eric Stephan: thre was quite a bit of discussion after the f2f

13:27:05 <Caroline_> ... from a scientific perspective

... from a scientific perspective

13:27:48 <Caroline_> ... one of the things we are considering from the use cases we had on siding sources there are other kind of ways

... one of the things we are considering from the use cases we had on siding sources there are other kind of ways

13:28:20 <Caroline_> ... I was looking for if there is a broather scientific sitention

... I was looking for if there is a broather scientific citation

13:28:26 <phila> ack mehttps://www.datacite.org/services/format-your-citation.html

Phil Archer: ack mehttps://www.datacite.org/services/format-your-citation.html

13:28:31 <phila> https://www.datacite.org/services/format-your-citation.html

Phil Archer: https://www.datacite.org/services/format-your-citation.html

13:28:45 <Caroline_> s/sitention/citation
13:28:55 <Caroline_> s/site/cite
13:29:00 <phila> http://dublincore.org/documents/dcmi-terms/#terms-bibliographicCitation

Phil Archer: http://dublincore.org/documents/dcmi-terms/#terms-bibliographicCitation

13:29:06 <Caroline_> phila: the question is how do you link to that test

Phil Archer: the question is how do you link to that test

13:29:21 <Caroline_> ... probably is how to use dublin core to scientific citation

... probably is how to use dublin core to scientific citation

13:29:41 <Caroline_> ... if in your mind data citation is a string

... if in your mind data citation is a string

13:29:58 <ericstephan> http://sempublishing.sourceforge.net/

Eric Stephan: http://sempublishing.sourceforge.net/

13:30:03 <Caroline_> ... to be consistent it would use dublin core, but it might not be the best to use

... to be consistent it would use dublin core, but it might not be the best to use

13:30:16 <Caroline_> ericstephan: looking in different kind citation vocabularies

Eric Stephan: looking in different kind citation vocabularies

13:30:38 <Caroline_> ... there is a lot of different kinds of vocabularies

... there is a lot of different kinds of vocabularies

13:30:50 <Caroline_> phila: another source is Michael Demontier?

Phil Archer: another source is Michael Dumontier

13:31:06 <Caroline_> ... a direct email to Michel could help

... a direct email to Michel could help

13:31:09 <phila> Michel Dumontier

Phil Archer: Michel Dumontier

13:31:16 <Caroline_> ... he is interested on it

... he is interested on it

13:31:26 <Caroline_> s/Demontier?/Dumontier
13:31:56 <Caroline_> ericstephan: looking for input into the vocabulary with very target question and getting some confirmation on what we are doing here

Eric Stephan: looking for input into the vocabulary with very target question and getting some confirmation on what we are doing here

13:32:23 <Caroline_> ... I would like to keep this issue open until I get some confirmation from Carlos and get a chane to hear from Michel

... I would like to keep this issue open until I get some confirmation from Carlos and get a chane to hear from Michel

13:32:26 <ericstephan> http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/174

Eric Stephan: http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/174

13:32:32 <annette_g> q+

Annette Greiner: q+

13:33:11 <Caroline_> annette_g: I was going to ask what is the best way to submit ideas to DUV issues

Annette Greiner: I was going to ask what is the best way to submit ideas to DUV issues

13:33:13 <deirdrelee> ack annette_g

Deirdre Lee: ack annette_g

13:33:38 <Caroline_> ericstephan: you can send privaly or just send an email to the group email, which would be best

Eric Stephan: you can send privaly or just send an email to the group email, which would be best

13:33:44 <phila> q+ to highlight an old thread https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-dwbp-wg/2015Feb/0110.html

Phil Archer: q+ to highlight an old thread https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-dwbp-wg/2015Feb/0110.html

13:33:56 <Caroline_> ... so if we have something coming up as issue or action we can refere it

... so if we have something coming up as issue or action we can refere it

13:34:21 <phila> ack me

Phil Archer: ack me

13:34:21 <Zakim> phila, you wanted to highlight an old thread https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-dwbp-wg/2015Feb/0110.html

Zakim IRC Bot: phila, you wanted to highlight an old thread https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-dwbp-wg/2015Feb/0110.html

13:34:24 <deirdrelee> ack phila

Deirdre Lee: ack phila

13:34:25 <Caroline_> ... we need to make sure we addree everything we raised on the last f2f

... we need to make sure we addree everything we raised on the last f2f

13:34:52 <Caroline_> phila: just to point that Michel ???

Phil Archer: just to point that Michel ???

13:34:53 <deirdrelee> issue-174

Deirdre Lee: ISSUE-174

13:34:53 <trackbot> issue-174 -- The meaning of duv:retains is not clear. More examples should be provided and its use should be reviewed. -- open

Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-174 -- The meaning of duv:retains is not clear. More examples should be provided and its use should be reviewed. -- open

13:34:53 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/174

Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/174

13:35:18 <phila> I just wanted to put that e-mail archive in the minutes. Done now, thanks Caroline_

Phil Archer: I just wanted to put that e-mail archive in the minutes. Done now, thanks Caroline_

13:36:00 <annette_g> * I have the same issue, I think

Annette Greiner: * I have the same issue, I think

13:36:02 <RiccardoAlbertoni> bye phil

Riccardo Albertoni: bye phil

13:36:46 <Caroline_> ericstephan: regarding DUV we tried to articulate this concept

Eric Stephan: regarding DUV we tried to articulate this concept

13:37:06 <Caroline_> ... to associate basicaly a history associate to the dataset

... to associate basicaly a history associate to the dataset

13:37:19 <Caroline_> ... when I say history think specifically about provenance

... when I say history think specifically about provenance

13:37:34 <Caroline_> ... the way that we talked about itens like this in the July 3rd meeting

... the way that we talked about itens like this in the July 3rd meeting

13:38:03 <Caroline_> ... the way we are recording the data usage vocabulary in provenance

... the way we are recording the data usage vocabulary in provenance

13:38:27 <Caroline_> ... so I would like to propose to remove it from the model and put it on text so the data usage can be supported

... so I would like to propose to remove it from the model and put it on text so the data usage can be supported

13:38:28 <annette_g> +1 to Eric

Annette Greiner: +1 to Eric

13:39:10 <deirdrelee> q?

Deirdre Lee: q?

13:39:36 <ericstephan> PROPOSED:  remove duv:retains property and provide guidance in DUV on recording provenance for DU issue-174

PROPOSED: remove duv:retains property and provide guidance in DUV on recording property for DU ISSUE-174

13:39:55 <annette_g> +1

Annette Greiner: +1

13:39:55 <deirdrelee> +1

Deirdre Lee: +1

13:39:58 <ericstephan> +1

Eric Stephan: +1

13:39:58 <Caroline_> s/provenance/property
13:40:00 <Caroline_> +1

+1

13:40:06 <jerdeb> +1

Jeremy Debattista: +1

13:40:09 <RiccardoAlbertoni> +1

Riccardo Albertoni: +1

13:40:13 <Caroline_> s/provenance/property
13:40:13 <Eric_Kauz> +1

Eric Kauz: +1

13:40:25 <yaso> +1

Yaso Córdova: +1

13:40:32 <ericstephan> RESOLVED: remove duv:retains property and provide guidance in DUV on recording provenance for DU issue-174

RESOLVED: remove duv:retains property and provide guidance in DUV on recording provenance for DU ISSUE-174

13:40:48 <deirdrelee> close issue-174

Deirdre Lee: close ISSUE-174

13:40:48 <trackbot> Closed issue-174.

Trackbot IRC Bot: Closed ISSUE-174.

13:40:56 <ericstephan> http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/175

Eric Stephan: http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/175

13:41:08 <deirdrelee> issue-175

Deirdre Lee: ISSUE-175

13:41:08 <trackbot> issue-175 -- Shouldn't duv:DatasetCorrection be a dcat:Dataset as well? -- open

Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-175 -- Shouldn't duv:DatasetCorrection be a dcat:Dataset as well? -- open

13:41:08 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/175

Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/175

13:41:14 <Caroline_> ericstephan: about the issue 175 http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/175

Eric Stephan: about the ISSUE-175 http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/175

13:41:34 <Caroline_> ... unfortunatelly Summit is not here

... unfortunatelly Summit is not here

13:41:38 <Caroline_> ... I agree with Carlos

... I agree with Carlos

13:41:55 <Caroline_> ... this was from a context of how do we record if someone is creating a dataset?

... this was from a context of how do we record if someone is creating a dataset?

13:42:03 <Caroline_> .... this is where it comes from

.... this is where it comes from

13:42:26 <annette_g> q+

Annette Greiner: q+

13:42:26 <Caroline_> ... I think Summit thoughts where that it wouldn't be the dataset itself but a small portion of it

... I think Summit thoughts where that it wouldn't be the dataset itself but a small portion of it

13:42:34 <deirdrelee> ack annette_g

Deirdre Lee: ack annette_g

13:43:14 <Caroline_> annette_g: maybe it doesn't need to be int hte DUV itself

Annette Greiner: maybe it doesn't need to be int hte DUV itself

13:43:29 <Caroline_> ... maybe just letting someone letting know they are using your data

... maybe just letting someone letting know they are using your data

13:43:39 <Caroline_> ... I still don't think as usage so much

... I still don't think as usage so much

13:44:00 <Caroline_> ericstephan: the feedback is mainly informational

Eric Stephan: the feedback is mainly informational

13:44:08 <Caroline_> ... it would be almost as distribution

... it would be almost as distribution

13:44:22 <Caroline_> ... it might be safer place to stay on the impermissional lever

... it might be safer place to stay on the impermissional level

13:44:24 <deirdrelee> q+

Deirdre Lee: q+

13:44:26 <Caroline_> s/lever/level
13:44:30 <Caroline_> ... with this vocabulary

... with this vocabulary

13:44:52 <Caroline_> deirdrelee: there are lots of different ways that could be interpreted

Deirdre Lee: there are lots of different ways that could be interpreted

13:45:04 <Caroline_> ... it could be a correction of the dataset, or a new dataset, etc

... it could be a correction of the dataset, or a new dataset, etc

13:45:36 <Caroline_> ... maybe in the first case the feedback is a suggestion to correct the dataset it could be implemented

... maybe in the first case the feedback is a suggestion to correct the dataset it could be implemented

13:45:42 <deirdrelee> ack deirdrelee

Deirdre Lee: ack deirdrelee

13:45:49 <Caroline_> ericstephan: I like the way you phrased it deirdrelee

Eric Stephan: I like the way you phrased it deirdrelee

13:45:59 <Caroline_> ... I would like to put it in a proposal

... I would like to put it in a proposal

13:46:11 <Caroline_> ... it sounds in a particulary way of feedback

... it sounds in a particulary way of feedback

13:46:22 <Caroline_> ... why am I giving the feedback

... why am I giving the feedback

13:46:30 <Caroline_> deirdrelee: it makes sense

Deirdre Lee: it makes sense

13:46:50 <Caroline_> ... if you are going to classify types of feedback then what kind of feedback you would classify

... if you are going to classify types of feedback then what kind of feedback you would classify

13:46:59 <annette_g> * the ocean's temperature is rising...

Annette Greiner: * the ocean's temperature is rising...

13:47:01 <Caroline_> ericstephan: we can provide guidence about how the DUV can be extended

Eric Stephan: we can provide guidence about how the DUV can be extended

13:47:23 <Caroline_> ... we could propose reviewing dataset correction or the model again

... we could propose reviewing dataset correction or the model again

13:47:29 <Caroline_> ... let's go to the proposal

... let's go to the proposal

13:48:03 <ericstephan> PROPOSED:  We remove the DatasetCorrection class and review how activities such as correction and curation can be performed in the DUV model.

PROPOSED: We remove the DatasetCorrection class and review how activities such as correction and curation can be performed in the DUV model.

13:48:29 <annette_g> q+

Annette Greiner: q+

13:48:57 <Caroline_> annette_g: I still don't see why we need to address that on DUV

Annette Greiner: I still don't see why we need to address that on DUV

13:49:00 <deirdrelee> ack annette_g

Deirdre Lee: ack annette_g

13:49:05 <Caroline_> ericstephan: it is a valid question

Eric Stephan: it is a valid question

13:49:25 <Caroline_> ... I think part of it is that thinking about the motivation or help people to think about applying the DUV

... I think part of it is that thinking about the motivation or help people to think about applying the DUV

13:50:02 <Caroline_> ... if someone thinks "maybe this dataset is incorrect and needs to change in some way"

... if someone thinks "maybe this dataset is incorrect and needs to change in some way"

13:50:15 <Caroline_> ... if it needs to be more descriptive for instance

... if it needs to be more descriptive for instance

13:50:37 <Caroline_> annette_g: I just don't think would be worth to put all the different possibilities

Annette Greiner: I just don't think would be worth to put all the different possibilities

13:50:50 <Caroline_> ... isn't feedback the same thing?

... isn't feedback the same thing?

13:51:05 <Caroline_> ... it is important to give feedback but I don't see as usage

... it is important to give feedback but I don't see as usage

13:51:13 <Caroline_> ericstephan: we get dataset feedback

Eric Stephan: we get dataset feedback

13:51:38 <Caroline_> ... if we think as feedback as a general leval

... if we think as feedback as a general level

13:51:43 <Caroline_> s/leval/level
13:52:25 <Caroline_> annette_g: I am thinking that the DUV could be more focused on the need of the publishers

Annette Greiner: I am thinking that the DUV could be more focused on the need of the publishers

13:52:54 <Caroline_> ... right now we have vocabularies that describe interaction, but does not describe how it has been used

... right now we have vocabularies that describe interaction, but does not describe how it has been used

13:53:12 <Caroline_> ... are they mixinng up other data or creating something different?

... are they mixinng up other data or creating something different?

13:53:36 <Caroline_> ericstephan: I would love to work through examples with you and decide which are important

Eric Stephan: I would love to work through examples with you and decide which are important

13:53:54 <Caroline_> ... some of the examples you put on DUV helped to connect the document

... some of the examples you put on DUV helped to connect the document

13:54:17 <Caroline_> ... if this vocabulary is going to be useful people need to think why data usage is importatn to be described

... if this vocabulary is going to be useful people need to think why data usage is importatn to be described

13:54:27 <Caroline_> ... real world use cases would be important

... real world use cases would be important

13:54:33 <Caroline_> ... we can work on examples

... we can work on examples

13:54:51 <Caroline_> annette_g: I will write an email to get things more concret

Annette Greiner: I will write an email to get things more concrete

13:54:57 <Caroline_> s/concret/concrete
13:55:15 <Caroline_> ericstephan: I still think is important to review activities

Eric Stephan: I still think is important to review activities

13:55:40 <Caroline_> ... we can change the proposal to make sure the dataset usage vocabulary is in a more general level

... we can change the proposal to make sure the dataset usage vocabulary is in a more general level

13:55:54 <annette_g> +1 to Deirdre

Annette Greiner: +1 to Deirdre

13:55:56 <Caroline_> deirdrelee: the specifis are not bad as long as they are key to DUV

Deirdre Lee: the specifis are not bad as long as they are key to DUV

13:56:21 <ericstephan> PROPOSED:  We remove the DatasetCorrection class

PROPOSED: We remove the DatasetCorrection class

13:56:23 <Caroline_> ericstephan: maybe if we put them in text we can help people see how to use them

Eric Stephan: maybe if we put them in text we can help people see how to use them

13:56:32 <annette_g> +1

Annette Greiner: +1

13:56:38 <Caroline_> +1

+1

13:56:39 <ericstephan> +1

Eric Stephan: +1

13:56:39 <deirdrelee> +1

Deirdre Lee: +1

13:56:39 <yaso> +1

Yaso Córdova: +1

13:56:42 <jerdeb> +1

Jeremy Debattista: +1

13:56:44 <Eric_Kauz> +1

Eric Kauz: +1

13:56:48 <MTCarrasco> +1

Manuel Carrasco Benitez: +1

13:57:05 <ericstephan> RESOLVED:  We remove the DatasetCorrection class

RESOLVED: We remove the DatasetCorrection class

13:57:09 <deirdrelee> close issue-175

Deirdre Lee: close ISSUE-175

13:57:09 <trackbot> Closed issue-175.

Trackbot IRC Bot: Closed ISSUE-175.

13:58:20 <Caroline_> deirdrelee: next week we will talk about the BP document again

Deirdre Lee: next week we will talk about the BP document again

13:58:43 <Caroline_> ... we have 8 weeks until the F2F, which is about 2 or 3 calls about the BP Document

... we have 8 weeks until the F2F, which is about 2 or 3 calls about the BP Document

13:58:44 <Caroline_> q+

q+

13:59:24 <deirdrelee> ack Caroline_

Deirdre Lee: ack Caroline_

14:00:22 <MTCarrasco> bye

Manuel Carrasco Benitez: bye

14:00:24 <annette_g> bye all!

Annette Greiner: bye all!

14:00:27 <yaso> bye, thanks all!

Yaso Córdova: bye, thanks all!

14:00:29 <RiccardoAlbertoni> bye!

Riccardo Albertoni: bye!

14:00:33 <Caroline_> Caroline_: would be great to get feedback by email so we can have a more focused call

Caroline Burle: would be great to get feedback by email so we can have a more focused call

14:00:40 <Caroline_> bye!

bye!

14:00:41 <jerdeb> bye!

Jeremy Debattista: bye!

14:03:08 <InWeb-AdrianoC> Bye all!

Adriano Pereira: Bye all!

14:08:13 <laufer> oopsss...  I thought the meeting was at 11 am here in Rio...  my mistake...

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Carlos Laufer: oopsss... I thought the meeting was at 11 am here in Rio... my mistake...



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