13:02:39 <RRSAgent> logging to http://www.w3.org/2015/05/29-dwbp-irc
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13:02:41 <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs 351
Trackbot IRC Bot: RRSAgent, make logs 351 ←
13:02:43 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be DWBP
Trackbot IRC Bot: Zakim, this will be DWBP ←
13:02:43 <Zakim> ok, trackbot, I see DATA_DWBP()9:00AM already started
Zakim IRC Bot: ok, trackbot, I see DATA_DWBP()9:00AM already started ←
13:02:44 <trackbot> Meeting: Data on the Web Best Practices Working Group Teleconference
13:02:44 <trackbot> Date: 29 May 2015
13:02:58 <JoaoPauloAlmeida> who is in the call?
Joao Almeida: who is in the call? ←
13:03:04 <JoaoPauloAlmeida> Zakim, who is in the call?
Joao Almeida: Zakim, who is in the call? ←
13:03:04 <Zakim> I don't understand your question, JoaoPauloAlmeida.
Zakim IRC Bot: I don't understand your question, JoaoPauloAlmeida. ←
13:03:11 <JoaoPauloAlmeida> Zakim, who's here?
Joao Almeida: Zakim, who's here? ←
13:03:11 <Zakim> On the phone I see +1.609.557.aaaa, +1.509.554.aabb, +1.510.384.aacc, [IPcaller]
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see +1.609.557.aaaa, +1.509.554.aabb, +1.510.384.aacc, [IPcaller] ←
13:03:14 <Zakim> On IRC I see RRSAgent, deirdrelee, ericstephan, annette_g, Eric_Kauz, JoaoPauloAlmeida, hadleybeeman, trackbot, rhiaro
Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see RRSAgent, deirdrelee, ericstephan, annette_g, Eric_Kauz, JoaoPauloAlmeida, hadleybeeman, trackbot, rhiaro ←
13:03:21 <Zakim> +[IPcaller.a]
Zakim IRC Bot: +[IPcaller.a] ←
13:03:21 <JoaoPauloAlmeida> Zakim, IPcaller is me
Joao Almeida: Zakim, IPcaller is me ←
13:03:21 <Zakim> +JoaoPauloAlmeida; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +JoaoPauloAlmeida; got it ←
13:03:24 <ericstephan> zakim, aabb is me
Eric Stephan: zakim, aabb is me ←
13:03:24 <Zakim> +ericstephan; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +ericstephan; got it ←
13:03:31 <Zakim> +HadleyBeeman
Zakim IRC Bot: +HadleyBeeman ←
13:03:31 <ericstephan> Guest: Newton Calegari
13:03:35 <JoaoPauloAlmeida> Zakim, who is here?
Joao Almeida: Zakim, who is here? ←
13:03:35 <Zakim> On the phone I see +1.609.557.aaaa, ericstephan, +1.510.384.aacc, JoaoPauloAlmeida, [IPcaller.a], HadleyBeeman
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see +1.609.557.aaaa, ericstephan, +1.510.384.aacc, JoaoPauloAlmeida, [IPcaller.a], HadleyBeeman ←
13:03:38 <Zakim> On IRC I see RRSAgent, deirdrelee, ericstephan, annette_g, Eric_Kauz, JoaoPauloAlmeida, hadleybeeman, trackbot, rhiaro
Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see RRSAgent, deirdrelee, ericstephan, annette_g, Eric_Kauz, JoaoPauloAlmeida, hadleybeeman, trackbot, rhiaro ←
13:03:41 <deirdrelee> zakim, [ipcaller] is me
Deirdre Lee: zakim, [ipcaller] is me ←
13:03:41 <Zakim> sorry, deirdrelee, I do not recognize a party named '[ipcaller]'
Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, deirdrelee, I do not recognize a party named '[ipcaller]' ←
13:03:49 <deirdrelee> zakim, [IPcaller] is me
Deirdre Lee: zakim, [IPcaller] is me ←
13:03:49 <Zakim> sorry, deirdrelee, I do not recognize a party named '[IPcaller]'
Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, deirdrelee, I do not recognize a party named '[IPcaller]' ←
13:04:03 <deirdrelee> zakim, [IPcaller.a] is me
Deirdre Lee: zakim, [IPcaller.a] is me ←
13:04:03 <Zakim> +deirdrelee; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +deirdrelee; got it ←
13:04:03 <annette_g> zakim, .aacc is me
Annette Greiner: zakim, .aacc is me ←
13:04:04 <Zakim> sorry, annette_g, I do not recognize a party named '.aacc'
Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, annette_g, I do not recognize a party named '.aacc' ←
13:04:22 <deirdrelee> zakim, who is here
Deirdre Lee: zakim, who is here ←
13:04:22 <Zakim> deirdrelee, you need to end that query with '?'
Zakim IRC Bot: deirdrelee, you need to end that query with '?' ←
13:04:24 <ericstephan> zakim, aacc is annette_g
Eric Stephan: zakim, aacc is annette_g ←
13:04:24 <Zakim> +annette_g; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +annette_g; got it ←
13:04:25 <deirdrelee> zakim, who is here?
Deirdre Lee: zakim, who is here? ←
13:04:27 <Zakim> On the phone I see +1.609.557.aaaa, ericstephan, annette_g, JoaoPauloAlmeida, deirdrelee, HadleyBeeman
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see +1.609.557.aaaa, ericstephan, annette_g, JoaoPauloAlmeida, deirdrelee, HadleyBeeman ←
13:04:27 <Zakim> On IRC I see RRSAgent, deirdrelee, ericstephan, annette_g, Eric_Kauz, JoaoPauloAlmeida, hadleybeeman, trackbot, rhiaro
Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see RRSAgent, deirdrelee, ericstephan, annette_g, Eric_Kauz, JoaoPauloAlmeida, hadleybeeman, trackbot, rhiaro ←
13:04:28 <annette_g> zakim, +1.510.384.aacc is me
Annette Greiner: zakim, +1.510.384.aacc is me ←
13:04:29 <Zakim> sorry, annette_g, I do not recognize a party named '+1.510.384.aacc'
Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, annette_g, I do not recognize a party named '+1.510.384.aacc' ←
13:04:37 <Eric_Kauz> zakim, aaaa is me
Eric Kauz: zakim, aaaa is me ←
13:04:37 <Zakim> +Eric_Kauz; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +Eric_Kauz; got it ←
13:05:06 <Zakim> +??P3
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P3 ←
13:05:32 <deirdrelee> zakim, pick a victim
Deirdre Lee: zakim, pick a victim ←
13:05:32 <Zakim> Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose Eric_Kauz
Zakim IRC Bot: Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose Eric_Kauz ←
13:05:42 <Zakim> +Caroline
Zakim IRC Bot: +Caroline ←
13:05:54 <newton> Zakim, who's here?
Newton Calegari: Zakim, who's here? ←
13:05:54 <Zakim> On the phone I see Eric_Kauz, ericstephan, annette_g, JoaoPauloAlmeida, deirdrelee, HadleyBeeman, ??P3, Caroline
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see Eric_Kauz, ericstephan, annette_g, JoaoPauloAlmeida, deirdrelee, HadleyBeeman, ??P3, Caroline ←
13:05:57 <Zakim> On IRC I see newton, PeterWinstanley, laufer, Zakim, RRSAgent, deirdrelee, ericstephan, annette_g, Eric_Kauz, JoaoPauloAlmeida, hadleybeeman, trackbot, rhiaro
Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see newton, PeterWinstanley, laufer, Zakim, RRSAgent, deirdrelee, ericstephan, annette_g, Eric_Kauz, JoaoPauloAlmeida, hadleybeeman, trackbot, rhiaro ←
13:06:02 <newton> Zakim, Caroline is me
Newton Calegari: Zakim, Caroline is me ←
13:06:02 <Zakim> +newton; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +newton; got it ←
13:06:17 <deirdrelee> chair: deirdrelee
13:06:21 <deirdrelee> scribe: Eric_Kauz
(Scribe set to Eric Kauz)
13:06:25 <deirdrelee> agenda: https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Meetings:Telecon20150529
13:06:54 <deirdrelee> PROPOSED: Accept meeting minutes from last week;http://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/dwbp/2015-05-22
PROPOSED: Accept meeting minutes from last week;http://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/dwbp/2015-05-22 ←
13:06:59 <ericstephan> +1
Eric Stephan: +1 ←
13:07:05 <laufer> +1
Carlos Laufer: +1 ←
13:07:10 <annette_g> +1
Annette Greiner: +1 ←
13:07:10 <newton> +1
Newton Calegari: +1 ←
13:07:12 <deirdrelee> +1
Deirdre Lee: +1 ←
13:07:17 <JoaoPauloAlmeida> 0 (was not there)
Joao Almeida: 0 (was not there) ←
13:07:25 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
Zakim IRC Bot: +[IPcaller] ←
13:07:28 <deirdrelee> RESOLVED: Accept meeting minutes from last week;http://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/dwbp/2015-05-22
RESOLVED: Accept meeting minutes from last week;http://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/dwbp/2015-05-22 ←
13:07:40 <laufer> Zakim, IPcaller is me
Carlos Laufer: Zakim, IPcaller is me ←
13:07:40 <Zakim> +laufer; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +laufer; got it ←
13:07:49 <laufer> Zakim, mute me
Carlos Laufer: Zakim, mute me ←
13:07:49 <Zakim> laufer should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: laufer should now be muted ←
13:08:02 <Eric_Kauz> deirdrelee: focus on data usage voc, plus data quality voc and relation to dcat.
Deirdre Lee: focus on data usage voc, plus data quality voc and relation to dcat. ←
13:08:13 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
Zakim IRC Bot: +[IPcaller] ←
13:08:23 <antoine> zakim, IPcaller is me
Antoine Isaac: zakim, IPcaller is me ←
13:08:23 <Zakim> +antoine; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +antoine; got it ←
13:08:29 <Eric_Kauz> deirdrelee: should they be published as a full rec,
Deirdre Lee: should they be published as a full rec, ←
13:09:03 <Eric_Kauz> deirdrelee: more overhead and work but new recommendation for Dcat. For dcat it would be a positive thing.
Deirdre Lee: more overhead and work but new recommendation for Dcat. For dcat it would be a positive thing. ←
13:09:25 <hadleybeeman> q+ on the rec thing
Hadley Beeman: q+ on the rec thing ←
13:09:42 <Eric_Kauz> deirdrelee: discussion as well on when to publish next working draft
Deirdre Lee: discussion as well on when to publish next working draft ←
13:09:46 <deirdrelee> Topic: should duv and dqv be defined as part of the DCAT namespace (/ns/dcat#)
13:09:53 <deirdrelee> ack hadleybeeman
Deirdre Lee: ack hadleybeeman ←
13:09:53 <Zakim> hadleybeeman, you wanted to comment on the rec thing
Zakim IRC Bot: hadleybeeman, you wanted to comment on the rec thing ←
13:09:55 <ericstephan> q+
Eric Stephan: q+ ←
13:10:59 <Eric_Kauz> hadleybeeman: doesnt think there is a need to update dcat as a formal rec. rec track is more for things like html (languages) not vocabularies
Hadley Beeman: doesnt think there is a need to update dcat as a formal rec. rec track is more for things like html (languages) not vocabularies ←
13:11:16 <JoaoPauloAlmeida> q+
Joao Almeida: q+ ←
13:11:26 <antoine> q+
Antoine Isaac: q+ ←
13:11:37 <Eric_Kauz> hadleybeeman: huge overhead for little benefit. most of the world would be happy with a working group note.
Hadley Beeman: huge overhead for little benefit. most of the world would be happy with a working group note. ←
13:11:56 <deirdrelee> ack ericstephan
Deirdre Lee: ack ericstephan ←
13:12:15 <deirdrelee> zakim, who is here?
Deirdre Lee: zakim, who is here? ←
13:12:15 <Zakim> On the phone I see Eric_Kauz, ericstephan, annette_g, JoaoPauloAlmeida, deirdrelee, HadleyBeeman, ??P3, newton, laufer (muted), antoine
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see Eric_Kauz, ericstephan, annette_g, JoaoPauloAlmeida, deirdrelee, HadleyBeeman, ??P3, newton, laufer (muted), antoine ←
13:12:17 <Zakim> On IRC I see Makx, antoine, newton, PeterWinstanley, laufer, Zakim, RRSAgent, deirdrelee, ericstephan, annette_g, Eric_Kauz, JoaoPauloAlmeida, hadleybeeman, trackbot, rhiaro
Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see Makx, antoine, newton, PeterWinstanley, laufer, Zakim, RRSAgent, deirdrelee, ericstephan, annette_g, Eric_Kauz, JoaoPauloAlmeida, hadleybeeman, trackbot, rhiaro ←
13:12:32 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
Zakim IRC Bot: +[IPcaller] ←
13:12:33 <annette_g> q+
Annette Greiner: q+ ←
13:12:52 <Makx> zakim, ipcaller is me
Makx Dekkers: zakim, ipcaller is me ←
13:12:52 <Zakim> +Makx; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +Makx; got it ←
13:13:15 <Eric_Kauz> ericstephan: no issue with data usage being part of dcat namespace, concern now how to incorporate vocabularies together. No issue with using dcat namespace
Eric Stephan: no issue with data usage being part of dcat namespace, concern now how to incorporate vocabularies together. No issue with using dcat namespace ←
13:13:41 <Eric_Kauz> JoaoPauloAlmeida: why use dcat namespace?
Joao Almeida: why use dcat namespace? ←
13:14:10 <deirdrelee> topic 2: should DUV and DQB be a WG Note or a WG Rec (e.g. DCAT 1.1 - a Rec is more overhead)
Deirdre Lee: topic 2: should DUV and DQB be a WG Note or a WG Rec (e.g. DCAT 1.1 - a Rec is more overhead) ←
13:14:50 <Eric_Kauz> antoine: many vocabularies have been published as rec, if we publish extension of dcat with different status as dcat, may have issues promoting it.
Antoine Isaac: many vocabularies have been published as rec, if we publish extension of dcat with different status as dcat, may have issues promoting it. ←
13:15:14 <JoaoPauloAlmeida> Antoine, that's exactly what I thought... it's strange to have something in dcat namespace which is not in the recommendation!
Joao Almeida: Antoine, that's exactly what I thought... it's strange to have something in dcat namespace which is not in the recommendation! ←
13:15:23 <JoaoPauloAlmeida> It creates a very strange signal to users
Joao Almeida: It creates a very strange signal to users ←
13:15:39 <deirdrelee> q?
Deirdre Lee: q? ←
13:15:40 <Eric_Kauz> antoine: may not be findable, look at dcat and not find data quality vocabulary
Antoine Isaac: may not be findable, look at dcat and not find data quality vocabulary ←
13:15:41 <deirdrelee> ack JoaoPauloAlmeida
Deirdre Lee: ack JoaoPauloAlmeida ←
13:15:43 <deirdrelee> ack antoine
Deirdre Lee: ack antoine ←
13:16:00 <deirdrelee> ack annette_g
Deirdre Lee: ack annette_g ←
13:16:23 <Eric_Kauz> annette_g: data usage voc relates more to annotations work.
Annette Greiner: data usage voc relates more to annotations work. ←
13:16:29 <deirdrelee> q+
Deirdre Lee: q+ ←
13:16:48 <JoaoPauloAlmeida> q+
Joao Almeida: q+ ←
13:17:21 <JoaoPauloAlmeida> ack me
Joao Almeida: ack me ←
13:17:21 <antoine> Annette's point is very interesting: for me, DUV could be seen as a sort of cross-over between Web Annotation and DCAT
Antoine Isaac: Annette's point is very interesting: for me, DUV could be seen as a sort of cross-over between Web Annotation and DCAT ←
13:17:22 <Makx> q+
Makx Dekkers: q+ ←
13:17:58 <Eric_Kauz> deirdrelee: should look at alternatives, if not part of namespaces, what are they and where are they? would want link to have dcat data at core, what are alternatives
Deirdre Lee: should look at alternatives, if not part of namespaces, what are they and where are they? would want link to have dcat data at core, what are alternatives ←
13:18:08 <deirdrelee> ack deirdrelee
Deirdre Lee: ack deirdrelee ←
13:18:13 <ericstephan> yes
Eric Stephan: yes ←
13:18:17 <deirdrelee> ack Makx
Deirdre Lee: ack Makx ←
13:18:43 <ericstephan> interesting perspective Makx
Eric Stephan: interesting perspective Makx ←
13:18:45 <JoaoPauloAlmeida> Makx, that's exactly my point
Joao Almeida: Makx, that's exactly my point ←
13:18:48 <Eric_Kauz> Makx: strange to have something in dcat namespace and not in rec, if not in rec it should be out of dcat namespace
Makx Dekkers: strange to have something in dcat namespace and not in rec, if not in rec it should be out of dcat namespace ←
13:19:11 <Eric_Kauz> Makx: separate namespace would be more understandable approach
Makx Dekkers: separate namespace would be more understandable approach ←
13:19:21 <ericstephan> really bad connection deirdrelee
Eric Stephan: really bad connection deirdrelee ←
13:19:23 <Zakim> -Makx
Zakim IRC Bot: -Makx ←
13:19:40 <Eric_Kauz> deirdrelee: how would you feel about separate namespace from dcat
Deirdre Lee: how would you feel about separate namespace from dcat ←
13:19:41 <ericstephan> I couldn't hear the question
Eric Stephan: I couldn't hear the question ←
13:19:43 <Zakim> -JoaoPauloAlmeida
Zakim IRC Bot: -JoaoPauloAlmeida ←
13:19:44 <ericstephan> ok
Eric Stephan: ok ←
13:19:47 <deirdrelee> sorry
Deirdre Lee: sorry ←
13:20:04 <deirdrelee> how do editors feel about using separate namespace for duv and dqv?
Deirdre Lee: how do editors feel about using separate namespace for duv and dqv? ←
13:20:08 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
Zakim IRC Bot: +[IPcaller] ←
13:20:13 <JoaoPauloAlmeida> Zakim, IPcaller is me
Joao Almeida: Zakim, IPcaller is me ←
13:20:13 <Zakim> +JoaoPauloAlmeida; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +JoaoPauloAlmeida; got it ←
13:20:14 <ericstephan> q+
Eric Stephan: q+ ←
13:20:24 <deirdrelee> ack ericstephan
Deirdre Lee: ack ericstephan ←
13:20:24 <antoine> q+
Antoine Isaac: q+ ←
13:20:36 <Eric_Kauz> ericstephan: response, we are already using separate namespace
Eric Stephan: response, we are already using separate namespace ←
13:20:38 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
Zakim IRC Bot: +[IPcaller] ←
13:20:57 <Makx> zakin, ipcaller is me
Makx Dekkers: zakin, ipcaller is me ←
13:21:19 <ericstephan> slightly robotic
Eric Stephan: slightly robotic ←
13:21:23 <Zakim> -deirdrelee
Zakim IRC Bot: -deirdrelee ←
13:21:32 <deirdrelee> not my typical voice then ;\
Deirdre Lee: not my typical voice then ;\ ←
13:21:34 <hadleybeeman> q?
Hadley Beeman: q? ←
13:21:38 <ericstephan> deirdrelee = wot
Eric Stephan: deirdrelee = wot ←
13:21:40 <hadleybeeman> ack antoine
Hadley Beeman: ack antoine ←
13:22:07 <Zakim> +[IPcaller.a]
Zakim IRC Bot: +[IPcaller.a] ←
13:22:11 <JoaoPauloAlmeida> q+
Joao Almeida: q+ ←
13:22:15 <hadleybeeman> q+ to be clear, editors, are you saying you'd rather NOT build these vocabularies in DCAT namespace?
Hadley Beeman: q+ to be clear, editors, are you saying you'd rather NOT build these vocabularies in DCAT namespace? ←
13:22:15 <Eric_Kauz> antoine: duv and dqv already separated. If we think there is opportunity to merge can do this later.
Antoine Isaac: duv and dqv already separated. If we think there is opportunity to merge can do this later. ←
13:22:20 <deirdrelee> zakim, [ipcaller.a] is me
Deirdre Lee: zakim, [ipcaller.a] is me ←
13:22:20 <Zakim> +deirdrelee; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +deirdrelee; got it ←
13:22:38 <Eric_Kauz> antoine: not worried about keeping it separate, could merge in a couple of months
Antoine Isaac: not worried about keeping it separate, could merge in a couple of months ←
13:22:42 <deirdrelee> q?
Deirdre Lee: q? ←
13:22:51 <hadleybeeman> ack jaoa
Hadley Beeman: ack jaoa ←
13:22:52 <annette_g> +1 to Hadley
Annette Greiner: +1 to Hadley ←
13:22:52 <Eric_Kauz> hadleybeeman: more concerned with meeting needs of use cases
Hadley Beeman: more concerned with meeting needs of use cases ←
13:22:55 <ericstephan> +1 hadleybeeman
Eric Stephan: +1 hadleybeeman ←
13:22:55 <hadleybeeman> ack joao
Hadley Beeman: ack joao ←
13:23:00 <deirdrelee> q+ to move to duv discussion
Deirdre Lee: q+ to move to duv discussion ←
13:23:24 <hadleybeeman> I'm more concerned that we meet the needs of our use cases than that we necessarily expand DCAT. We should focus on solving the problem.
Hadley Beeman: I'm more concerned that we meet the needs of our use cases than that we necessarily expand DCAT. We should focus on solving the problem. ←
13:23:44 <ericstephan> q+
Eric Stephan: q+ ←
13:23:48 <Eric_Kauz> JoaoPauloAlmeida: dcat made to make statements about data set, new vocabularies are conceptually different. Should not lump together, useful modules to use in combination
Joao Almeida: dcat made to make statements about data set, new vocabularies are conceptually different. Should not lump together, useful modules to use in combination ←
13:24:38 <hadleybeeman> ack me
Hadley Beeman: ack me ←
13:24:38 <Zakim> hadleybeeman, you wanted to be clear, editors, are you saying you'd rather NOT build these vocabularies in DCAT namespace?
Zakim IRC Bot: hadleybeeman, you wanted to be clear, editors, are you saying you'd rather NOT build these vocabularies in DCAT namespace? ←
13:24:38 <Eric_Kauz> hadleybeeman: we settle it on a decision, need to make reasons clear in minutes why not to use dcat namespace
Hadley Beeman: we settle it on a decision, need to make reasons clear in minutes why not to use dcat namespace ←
13:24:40 <deirdrelee> PROPOSED: We don't add dqv and duv to DCAT namespace
PROPOSED: We don't add dqv and duv to DCAT namespace ←
13:25:05 <JoaoPauloAlmeida> +1
Joao Almeida: +1 ←
13:25:06 <antoine> -1
Antoine Isaac: -1 ←
13:25:06 <Eric_Kauz> +1
+1 ←
13:25:08 <ericstephan> -1
Eric Stephan: -1 ←
13:25:11 <annette_g> +1
Annette Greiner: +1 ←
13:25:19 <laufer> +1
Carlos Laufer: +1 ←
13:25:27 <hadleybeeman> +0 will follow the editors' views.
Hadley Beeman: +0 will follow the editors' views. ←
13:25:56 <Eric_Kauz> deirdrelee: if separate with dcat can use a note.
Deirdre Lee: if separate with dcat can use a note. ←
13:25:56 <JoaoPauloAlmeida> But why should we do that?
Joao Almeida: But why should we do that? ←
13:26:11 <deirdrelee> NOT RESOLVED: We don't add dqv and duv to DCAT namespace
Deirdre Lee: NOT RESOLVED: We don't add dqv and duv to DCAT namespace ←
13:26:20 <deirdrelee> Q?
Deirdre Lee: Q? ←
13:26:20 <antoine> I think we can and should wait. I would have +1 something that says "We don't add dqv and duv to DCAT namespace NOW"
Antoine Isaac: I think we can and should wait. I would have +1 something that says "We don't add dqv and duv to DCAT namespace NOW" ←
13:26:23 <deirdrelee> ack deirdrelee
Deirdre Lee: ack deirdrelee ←
13:26:23 <Zakim> deirdrelee, you wanted to move to duv discussion
Zakim IRC Bot: deirdrelee, you wanted to move to duv discussion ←
13:26:25 <deirdrelee> ack Eric_Kauz
Deirdre Lee: ack Eric_Kauz ←
13:26:33 <deirdrelee> JoaoPauloAlmeida: what do you mean?
Joao Almeida: what do you mean? [ Scribe Assist by Deirdre Lee ] ←
13:26:42 <annette_g> that proposal was accepted, not rejected
Annette Greiner: that proposal was accepted, not rejected ←
13:26:52 <JoaoPauloAlmeida> ?
Joao Almeida: ? ←
13:26:55 <Eric_Kauz> ericstephan: reason for -1, liked idea to revisit when more mature. maybe at end may make more sense to use dcat namespace,
Eric Stephan: reason for -1, liked idea to revisit when more mature. maybe at end may make more sense to use dcat namespace, ←
13:27:24 <antoine> ericstephan++
Antoine Isaac: ericstephan++ ←
13:27:26 <deirdrelee> annette_g: it wasn't accepted, there wasn't concencus
Annette Greiner: it wasn't accepted, there wasn't concencus [ Scribe Assist by Deirdre Lee ] ←
13:27:28 <hadleybeeman> q+
Hadley Beeman: q+ ←
13:27:36 <Eric_Kauz> ericstephan: we propose that we defer question until we get public comments on voc and then revisit
Eric Stephan: we propose that we defer question until we get public comments on voc and then revisit ←
13:28:16 <ericstephan> +1 hadleybeeman
Eric Stephan: +1 hadleybeeman ←
13:28:20 <Eric_Kauz> hadleybeeman: suggest would be to decide to leave them as separate but may revisit decision later
Hadley Beeman: suggest would be to decide to leave them as separate but may revisit decision later ←
13:29:36 <hadleybeeman> PROPOSED: We are deciding to leave DUV and DQV in separate name spaces from DCAT. But we may revisit that decision later, based on implementations and feedback.
PROPOSED: We are deciding to leave DUV and DQV in separate name spaces from DCAT. But we may revisit that decision later, based on implementations and feedback. ←
13:29:43 <Makx> +1
Makx Dekkers: +1 ←
13:29:44 <JoaoPauloAlmeida> +1
Joao Almeida: +1 ←
13:29:45 <ericstephan> +1
Eric Stephan: +1 ←
13:29:45 <deirdrelee> +1
Deirdre Lee: +1 ←
13:29:46 <Eric_Kauz> +1
+1 ←
13:29:46 <antoine> +1
Antoine Isaac: +1 ←
13:29:48 <hadleybeeman> +1
Hadley Beeman: +1 ←
13:29:50 <annette_g> -1
Annette Greiner: -1 ←
13:30:16 <laufer> +1
Carlos Laufer: +1 ←
13:30:18 <deirdrelee> q+
Deirdre Lee: q+ ←
13:30:22 <Eric_Kauz> annette_g: should not be a binary decision, dcat or possibly part of annotations work
Annette Greiner: should not be a binary decision, dcat or possibly part of annotations work ←
13:30:30 <ericstephan> q-
Eric Stephan: q- ←
13:30:39 <hadleybeeman> PROPOSED: We are deciding to leave DUV and DQV in separate name spaces from DCAT and other vocabularies like Annotations. But we may revisit that decision later, based on implementations and feedback.
PROPOSED: We are deciding to leave DUV and DQV in separate name spaces from DCAT and other vocabularies like Annotations. But we may revisit that decision later, based on implementations and feedback. ←
13:30:59 <antoine> q+
Antoine Isaac: q+ ←
13:31:15 <Eric_Kauz> deirdrelee: difference with annotations, is that dcat is within charter, annotations not defined in charter
Deirdre Lee: difference with annotations, is that dcat is within charter, annotations not defined in charter ←
13:31:16 <hadleybeeman> q-
Hadley Beeman: q- ←
13:31:22 <deirdrelee> ack me
Deirdre Lee: ack me ←
13:31:24 <deirdrelee> ack antoine
Deirdre Lee: ack antoine ←
13:32:03 <Eric_Kauz> antoine: web annotiations still work in progress, we could consider in future, dcat already finished.
Antoine Isaac: web annotiations still work in progress, we could consider in future, dcat already finished. ←
13:32:18 <annette_g> I like Hadley's version
Annette Greiner: I like Hadley's version ←
13:32:21 <hadleybeeman> PROPOSED: We are deciding to leave DUV and DQV in separate name spaces from DCAT and other vocabularies like Annotations. But we may revisit that decision later, based on implementations and feedback.
PROPOSED: We are deciding to leave DUV and DQV in separate name spaces from DCAT and other vocabularies like Annotations. But we may revisit that decision later, based on implementations and feedback. ←
13:32:27 <JoaoPauloAlmeida> +1
Joao Almeida: +1 ←
13:32:28 <annette_g> +1
Annette Greiner: +1 ←
13:32:30 <antoine> +1
Antoine Isaac: +1 ←
13:32:30 <Eric_Kauz> +1
+1 ←
13:32:30 <deirdrelee> +1
Deirdre Lee: +1 ←
13:32:31 <ericstephan> +1
Eric Stephan: +1 ←
13:32:33 <hadleybeeman> +1
Hadley Beeman: +1 ←
13:32:37 <laufer> +1
Carlos Laufer: +1 ←
13:32:41 <Makx> +1
Makx Dekkers: +1 ←
13:32:46 <hadleybeeman> RESOLVED: We are deciding to leave DUV and DQV in separate name spaces from DCAT and other vocabularies like Annotations. But we may revisit that decision later, based on implementations and feedback.
RESOLVED: We are deciding to leave DUV and DQV in separate name spaces from DCAT and other vocabularies like Annotations. But we may revisit that decision later, based on implementations and feedback. ←
13:32:59 <deirdrelee> Topic: DUV Discussion
13:33:01 <ericstephan> Current revision of the data usage vocabulary
Eric Stephan: Current revision of the data usage vocabulary ←
13:33:06 <deirdrelee> http://w3c.github.io/dwbp/vocab-du.html
Deirdre Lee: http://w3c.github.io/dwbp/vocab-du.html ←
13:33:16 <deirdrelee> q?
Deirdre Lee: q? ←
13:34:06 <ericstephan> http://w3c.github.io/dwbp/vocab-du.html#vocabulary-specification
Eric Stephan: http://w3c.github.io/dwbp/vocab-du.html#vocabulary-specification ←
13:34:31 <Eric_Kauz> ericstephan: 8 different sections, meat of it would go to vocabulary specification, for future versions need to talk about data usage voc
Eric Stephan: 8 different sections, meat of it would go to vocabulary specification, for future versions need to talk about data usage voc ←
13:35:43 <Eric_Kauz> ericstephan: at top of model is experience, experience meant to be more a readme style file from publisher or collaborator,
Eric Stephan: at top of model is experience, experience meant to be more a readme style file from publisher or collaborator, ←
13:36:34 <Eric_Kauz> ericstephan: web thing container for any sensor or device, thing that can be connected to web.
Eric Stephan: web thing container for any sensor or device, thing that can be connected to web. ←
13:37:07 <Eric_Kauz> ericstephan: last bit of vocabulary is idea of making data citable on the web, looking at citation vocabulary
Eric Stephan: last bit of vocabulary is idea of making data citable on the web, looking at citation vocabulary ←
13:37:52 <laufer> It is an honour
Carlos Laufer: It is an honour ←
13:37:57 <deirdrelee> :)
Deirdre Lee: :) ←
13:37:59 <Eric_Kauz> ericstephan: trying to provide examples for each type of data usage vocabulary.
Eric Stephan: trying to provide examples for each type of data usage vocabulary. ←
13:38:10 <ericstephan> • https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Data_usage_schedule
Eric Stephan: • https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Data_usage_schedule ←
13:38:51 <ericstephan> • https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-annotation/2015May/0058.html
Eric Stephan: • https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-annotation/2015May/0058.html ←
13:38:54 <Eric_Kauz> ericstephan: schedule now, a little behind plan at face to face, been trying to address comments. did do reaching out,
Eric Stephan: schedule now, a little behind plan at face to face, been trying to address comments. did do reaching out, ←
13:39:12 <Eric_Kauz> ericstephan: received feedback from web annotations
Eric Stephan: received feedback from web annotations ←
13:39:29 <JoaoPauloAlmeida> q+
Joao Almeida: q+ ←
13:39:33 <annette_g> q+
Annette Greiner: q+ ←
13:39:38 <deirdrelee> ack JoaoPauloAlmeida
Deirdre Lee: ack JoaoPauloAlmeida ←
13:39:53 <Eric_Kauz> JoaoPauloAlmeida: did not understand idea of experience.
Joao Almeida: did not understand idea of experience. ←
13:40:17 <JoaoPauloAlmeida> especially did not understand how application and webthings can be a specialization of experience
Joao Almeida: especially did not understand how application and webthings can be a specialization of experience ←
13:40:28 <antoine> q+
Antoine Isaac: q+ ←
13:40:52 <deirdrelee> q+ to ask about relationship between dqv:userfeedback
Deirdre Lee: q+ to ask about relationship between dqv:userfeedback ←
13:41:01 <Eric_Kauz> ericstephan: experience class, science adopted concept of read me file, experience, information for humans,
Eric Stephan: experience class, science adopted concept of read me file, experience, information for humans, ←
13:41:28 <Zakim> -HadleyBeeman
Zakim IRC Bot: -HadleyBeeman ←
13:41:32 <Eric_Kauz> ericstephan: application became a subclass of experience, connectivity between tools and services and software and how they connect to data set
Eric Stephan: application became a subclass of experience, connectivity between tools and services and software and how they connect to data set ←
13:41:48 <deirdrelee> q?
Deirdre Lee: q? ←
13:42:06 <Eric_Kauz> ericstephan: application working with a particulary data set, discover application some one has built using data set.
Eric Stephan: application working with a particulary data set, discover application some one has built using data set. ←
13:42:44 <Eric_Kauz> JoaoPauloAlmeida: finds it unusual that appliation is part of experience
Joao Almeida: finds it unusual that appliation is part of experience ←
13:43:09 <Eric_Kauz> ericstephan: need to work through these concerns
Eric Stephan: need to work through these concerns ←
13:43:13 <deirdrelee> ack antoine
Deirdre Lee: ack antoine ←
13:43:26 <JoaoPauloAlmeida> specialization x properties
Joao Almeida: specialization x properties ←
13:43:27 <deirdrelee> q+ antoine
Deirdre Lee: q+ antoine ←
13:43:28 <Eric_Kauz> annette_g: what is difference between solid and open arrows
Annette Greiner: what is difference between solid and open arrows ←
13:43:30 <deirdrelee> ack annette_g
Deirdre Lee: ack annette_g ←
13:44:06 <JoaoPauloAlmeida> the closed arrow means that forall x Application(x) -> Experience(x)
Joao Almeida: the closed arrow means that forall x Application(x) -> Experience(x) ←
13:44:09 <Eric_Kauz> ericstephan: open arrows are inheritance,
Eric Stephan: open arrows are inheritance, ←
13:44:32 <JoaoPauloAlmeida> every resource which is an instance of Application is instance of Experience
Joao Almeida: every resource which is an instance of Application is instance of Experience ←
13:45:47 <laufer> q+
Carlos Laufer: q+ ←
13:46:04 <deirdrelee> ack antoine
Deirdre Lee: ack antoine ←
13:46:31 <JoaoPauloAlmeida> I think Experience, WebThing and Application should all be removed
Joao Almeida: I think Experience, WebThing and Application should all be removed ←
13:46:32 <Eric_Kauz> antoine: for experience , finds it too scientific,
Antoine Isaac: for experience , finds it too scientific, ←
13:46:37 <JoaoPauloAlmeida> Should use http://www.w3.org/TR/prov-o/#SoftwareAgent instead
Joao Almeida: Should use http://www.w3.org/TR/prov-o/#SoftwareAgent instead ←
13:47:03 <Zakim> -[IPcaller]
Zakim IRC Bot: -[IPcaller] ←
13:47:34 <Zakim> +HadleyBeeman
Zakim IRC Bot: +HadleyBeeman ←
13:47:40 <Eric_Kauz> ericstephan:experience could be helpful regarding accessability,
Eric Stephan: experience could be helpful regarding accessability, ←
13:47:59 <JoaoPauloAlmeida> this is very vague (Experience)
Joao Almeida: this is very vague (Experience) ←
13:48:09 <deirdrelee> q?
Deirdre Lee: q? ←
13:48:35 <Eric_Kauz> antoine: maybe need to find a label that is more common, user vs scientific experience
Antoine Isaac: maybe need to find a label that is more common, user vs scientific experience ←
13:48:50 <Eric_Kauz> ericstephan: usage may be more appropriate
Eric Stephan: usage may be more appropriate ←
13:49:01 <annette_g> do we really need a box there?
Annette Greiner: do we really need a box there? ←
13:49:13 <Eric_Kauz> JoaoPauloAlmeida: application is not a consumption,
Joao Almeida: application is not a consumption, ←
13:49:28 <Eric_Kauz> JoaoPauloAlmeida: conceptually muddled.
Joao Almeida: conceptually muddled. ←
13:49:36 <JoaoPauloAlmeida> Application could be a Consumer but not a Consumption
Joao Almeida: Application could be a Consumer but not a Consumption ←
13:49:41 <JoaoPauloAlmeida> it could be a User but not a Usage
Joao Almeida: it could be a User but not a Usage ←
13:49:49 <JoaoPauloAlmeida> it could an Experiencer but not an Experience
Joao Almeida: it could an Experiencer but not an Experience ←
13:49:50 <laufer> I am in the queue
Carlos Laufer: I am in the queue ←
13:50:32 <Eric_Kauz> deirdrelee: duv feedback and data quality, assumed they will point to eachother
Deirdre Lee: duv feedback and data quality, assumed they will point to eachother ←
13:50:52 <laufer> zakim, unmute me
Carlos Laufer: zakim, unmute me ←
13:50:52 <Zakim> laufer should no longer be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: laufer should no longer be muted ←
13:51:02 <deirdrelee> ack me
Deirdre Lee: ack me ←
13:51:02 <Zakim> deirdrelee, you wanted to ask about relationship between dqv:userfeedback
Zakim IRC Bot: deirdrelee, you wanted to ask about relationship between dqv:userfeedback ←
13:51:03 <deirdrelee> ack laufer
Deirdre Lee: ack laufer ←
13:51:20 <Zakim> -HadleyBeeman
Zakim IRC Bot: -HadleyBeeman ←
13:52:17 <Eric_Kauz> laufer: same doubts about experience, experience is only for application and web of things using data set. agent using it is not an experience.
Carlos Laufer: same doubts about experience, experience is only for application and web of things using data set. agent using it is not an experience. ←
13:52:42 <Eric_Kauz> laufer: diagram leads to different interpretations.
Carlos Laufer: diagram leads to different interpretations. ←
13:53:14 <annette_g> q+
Annette Greiner: q+ ←
13:53:23 <laufer> zakim, mute me
Carlos Laufer: zakim, mute me ←
13:53:23 <Zakim> laufer should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: laufer should now be muted ←
13:53:35 <Zakim> +HadleyBeeman
Zakim IRC Bot: +HadleyBeeman ←
13:53:39 <deirdrelee> zakim, close queue
Deirdre Lee: zakim, close queue ←
13:53:39 <Zakim> ok, deirdrelee, the speaker queue is closed
Zakim IRC Bot: ok, deirdrelee, the speaker queue is closed ←
13:53:44 <deirdrelee> q?
Deirdre Lee: q? ←
13:54:09 <Eric_Kauz> ericstephan: only looking at data usage from consuming not editing. concern
Eric Stephan: only looking at data usage from consuming not editing. concern ←
13:54:18 <Eric_Kauz> ericstephan: need to nail down concepts better
Eric Stephan: need to nail down concepts better ←
13:54:36 <deirdrelee> ack annette_g
Deirdre Lee: ack annette_g ←
13:54:54 <Eric_Kauz> annette_g: introduce term, data set could be dependency of application,
Annette Greiner: introduce term, data set could be dependency of application, ←
13:55:15 <deirdrelee> Topic: Proposal to vote on the next PWD of the BP document at next week's meeting (5th June)
13:55:17 <Eric_Kauz> deirdrelee: questions on publication date
Deirdre Lee: questions on publication date ←
13:56:13 <deirdrelee> zakim, open queue
Deirdre Lee: zakim, open queue ←
13:56:13 <Zakim> ok, deirdrelee, the speaker queue is open
Zakim IRC Bot: ok, deirdrelee, the speaker queue is open ←
13:56:15 <deirdrelee> q?
Deirdre Lee: q? ←
13:56:28 <Eric_Kauz> newton: we can vote next week, wants to know if group has reviewed document, any comments?
Newton Calegari: we can vote next week, wants to know if group has reviewed document, any comments? ←
13:57:04 <Eric_Kauz> deirdrelee: will schedule vote on BP doc in for 5th June
Deirdre Lee: will schedule vote on BP doc in for 5th June ←
13:57:34 <deirdrelee> Topic: Proposal to vote on the FPWD of the DUV (and DQV?) at next week's meeting (5th June)
13:58:10 <Eric_Kauz> all three together or as they are ready.
all three together or as they are ready. ←
13:59:03 <JoaoPauloAlmeida> I understand the desire to push it forward, but I don't think we are ready to go FPWD wit h DUV and DQV
Joao Almeida: I understand the desire to push it forward, but I don't think we are ready to go FPWD wit h DUV and DQV ←
13:59:06 <Eric_Kauz> ericstephan: mixed feelings, more sense if all three go out together, but less attention is paid to each
Eric Stephan: mixed feelings, more sense if all three go out together, but less attention is paid to each ←
13:59:35 <Eric_Kauz> ericstephan: if separate, do people understand relationship between efforts.
Eric Stephan: if separate, do people understand relationship between efforts. ←
13:59:38 <deirdrelee> q+
Deirdre Lee: q+ ←
14:00:11 <Eric_Kauz> ericstephan: wants to get publication of DUV out as soon as possible.
Eric Stephan: wants to get publication of DUV out as soon as possible. ←
14:00:48 <JoaoPauloAlmeida> q+
Joao Almeida: q+ ←
14:01:22 <antoine> q+
Antoine Isaac: q+ ←
14:01:23 <Eric_Kauz> deirdrelee: BP lots of comments open still
Deirdre Lee: BP lots of comments open still ←
14:01:42 <Eric_Kauz> deirdrelee: need to resolve all outstanding comments
Deirdre Lee: need to resolve all outstanding comments ←
14:02:04 <ericstephan> annette_g - I will respond to your concerns about the web annotations in email, perhaps we can work through this in the coming week.
Eric Stephan: annette_g - I will respond to your concerns about the web annotations in email, perhaps we can work through this in the coming week. ←
14:02:22 <deirdrelee> ack me
Deirdre Lee: ack me ←
14:02:28 <deirdrelee> ack JoaoPauloAlmeida
Deirdre Lee: ack JoaoPauloAlmeida ←
14:02:52 <Eric_Kauz> JoaoPauloAlmeida: should not vote next week, more discussion needed, need to formally review internally
Joao Almeida: should not vote next week, more discussion needed, need to formally review internally ←
14:03:13 <deirdrelee> ack antoine
Deirdre Lee: ack antoine ←
14:03:27 <ericstephan> q+
Eric Stephan: q+ ←
14:03:59 <Eric_Kauz> antoine: point at dependencies with vocabularies
Antoine Isaac: point at dependencies with vocabularies ←
14:04:34 <Eric_Kauz> deirdrelee: general concensus is to vote next week.
Deirdre Lee: general concensus is to vote next week. ←
14:05:04 <Eric_Kauz> deirdrelee: will add to agenda vote on all three next week
Deirdre Lee: will add to agenda vote on all three next week ←
14:05:23 <Eric_Kauz> deirdrelee: can continue to edit in preparation for vote
Deirdre Lee: can continue to edit in preparation for vote ←
14:05:28 <deirdrelee> ack ericstephan
Deirdre Lee: ack ericstephan ←
14:05:32 <laufer> will we have a single proposal for the 3 documents or separate proposals?
Carlos Laufer: will we have a single proposal for the 3 documents or separate proposals? ←
14:06:19 <JoaoPauloAlmeida> I would like the editors to clarify whether they think the document AS IS should go to FPWD such that we can prepare for the vote
Joao Almeida: I would like the editors to clarify whether they think the document AS IS should go to FPWD such that we can prepare for the vote ←
14:06:27 <annette_g> ericstephan - sounds good
Annette Greiner: ericstephan - sounds good ←
14:07:00 <laufer> so, with different proposals we can published the 3 docs or only one or two... so there is no problem to vote...
Carlos Laufer: so, with different proposals we can publish the 3 docs or only one or two... so there is no problem to vote... ←
14:07:10 <Eric_Kauz> hadleybeeman: nice to do together but no issue process wise to do separately
Hadley Beeman: nice to do together but no issue process wise to do separately ←
14:07:13 <hadleybeeman> exactly, laufer
Hadley Beeman: exactly, laufer ←
14:07:32 <hadleybeeman> yeay!! :)
Hadley Beeman: yeay!! :) ←
14:07:42 <Eric_Kauz> yeah
yeah ←
14:08:01 <JoaoPauloAlmeida> :-)
Joao Almeida: :-) ←
14:08:04 <laufer> bye all.... nice wekend...
Carlos Laufer: bye all.... nice wekend... ←
14:08:06 <ericstephan> thanks Eric_Kauz !
Eric Stephan: thanks Eric_Kauz ! ←
14:08:09 <Zakim> -HadleyBeeman
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14:08:10 <Zakim> -antoine
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14:08:11 <Zakim> -deirdrelee
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14:08:12 <Zakim> -JoaoPauloAlmeida
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14:08:13 <Zakim> -ericstephan
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14:08:13 <Zakim> -??P3
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14:08:14 <Zakim> -laufer
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14:08:14 <Zakim> -newton
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14:08:15 <annette_g> bye!
Annette Greiner: bye! ←
14:08:16 <Zakim> -annette_g
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14:08:21 <Zakim> -Eric_Kauz
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14:08:22 <Zakim> DATA_DWBP()9:00AM has ended
Zakim IRC Bot: DATA_DWBP()9:00AM has ended ←
14:08:22 <Zakim> Attendees were +1.609.557.aaaa, +1.509.554.aabb, +1.510.384.aacc, JoaoPauloAlmeida, ericstephan, HadleyBeeman, deirdrelee, annette_g, Eric_Kauz, newton, laufer, antoine, Makx,
Zakim IRC Bot: Attendees were +1.609.557.aaaa, +1.509.554.aabb, +1.510.384.aacc, JoaoPauloAlmeida, ericstephan, HadleyBeeman, deirdrelee, annette_g, Eric_Kauz, newton, laufer, antoine, Makx, ←
14:08:22 <Zakim> ... [IPcaller]
Zakim IRC Bot: ... [IPcaller] ←
14:08:54 <ericstephan> stephan dogs say goodbye as well
Eric Stephan: stephan dogs say goodbye as well ←
14:09:10 <laufer> s/can published/can publish/
14:09:24 <laufer> bye eric and dogs
Carlos Laufer: bye eric and dogs ←
14:09:46 <ericstephan> :-/ They were naughty for not being on the speaker queue!
Eric Stephan: :-/ They were naughty for not being on the speaker queue! ←
14:09:50 <hadleybeeman> :)
Hadley Beeman: :) ←
14:11:11 <laufer> maybe they were barking a kind of q+
Carlos Laufer: maybe they were barking a kind of q+ ←
14:11:59 <ericstephan> Its a different usage experience
Eric Stephan: Its a different usage experience ←
14:12:10 <ericstephan> Web of Bark
Eric Stephan: Web of Bark ←
14:12:27 <laufer> yes... web for all
Carlos Laufer: yes... web for all ←
14:12:59 <laufer> I will send you some minor erros that I catch in the duv doc, eric
Carlos Laufer: I will send you some minor erros that I catch in the duv doc, eric ←
14:13:31 <ericstephan> thank you!
Eric Stephan: thank you! ←
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