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12:59:03 <trackbot> Meeting: Data on the Web Best Practices Working Group Teleconference
12:59:03 <trackbot> Date: 15 May 2015
12:59:03 <phila> Guest: Newton Calegari
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13:00:21 <phila> chair: Phil
13:00:42 <phila> regrets+ Hadley, Dee, Yaso, Steve, Bernadette
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13:01:59 <riccardoAlbertoni> Hi all !
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13:02:02 <newton> Zakim, Caroline is me
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13:02:24 <phila> agenda: https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Meetings:Telecon20150515
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13:04:03 <ericstephan> scribe: ericstephan
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13:04:17 <phila> PROPOSED: Accept last week's minutes http://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/dwbp/2015-05-08
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13:04:36 <ericstephan> +0 was not here
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13:04:40 <riccardoAlbertoni> +0, i was not present
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13:04:45 <Eric_Kauz> +1
13:04:46 <phila> +1
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13:04:47 <newton> +0
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13:04:55 <annette_g1> +1
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13:05:02 <phila> RESOLVED: Accept last week's minutes http://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/dwbp/2015-05-08
RESOLVED: Accept last week's minutes http://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/dwbp/2015-05-08 ←
13:05:06 <phila> Topic: BP doc
13:05:38 <ericstephan> phila: newton can you tell us if there are any issues you need the group to decide now? or look at?
Phil Archer: newton can you tell us if there are any issues you need the group to decide now? or look at? ←
13:06:03 <ericstephan> phila: otherwise I am assuming you want the document ready for publication next week.
Phil Archer: otherwise I am assuming you want the document ready for publication next week. ←
13:06:46 <phila> phila has changed the topic to: Agenda: https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Meetings:Telecon20150515
Phil Archer: phila has changed the topic to: Agenda: https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Meetings:Telecon20150515 ←
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13:07:11 <ericstephan> newton: Bernadette was going to go through the issues, but could not be here. I have been working through the issues with Bernadette and Caroline. There were some issues still being discussed such as the vocab discussion.
Newton Calegari: Bernadette was going to go through the issues, but could not be here. I have been working through the issues with Bernadette and Caroline. There were some issues still being discussed such as the vocab discussion. ←
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13:07:25 <phila> regrets+ Caroline
Phil Archer: regrets+ Caroline ←
13:08:24 <ericstephan> phila: Antoine and Ghislain had argued against the vocab, unfortunately those folks are not here.
Phil Archer: Antoine and Ghislain had argued against the vocab, unfortunately those folks are not here. ←
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13:09:36 <ericstephan> phila: Is there anything stopping you from proposing to the group to review it next week so that it can be published two weeks after that.
Phil Archer: Is there anything stopping you from proposing to the group to review it next week so that it can be published two weeks after that. ←
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13:09:48 <ericstephan> newton: I think we can do that.
Newton Calegari: I think we can do that. ←
13:09:52 <laufer> hi all
Carlos Laufer: hi all ←
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13:10:07 <ericstephan> phila: confirming you will have a stable version next week?
Phil Archer: confirming you will have a stable version next week? ←
13:10:11 <ericstephan> newton: yes
Newton Calegari: yes ←
13:11:03 <phila> Topic: DQV
13:11:22 <ericstephan> phila: come up with a way through the vocab issue on the bp.
Phil Archer: come up with a way through the vocab issue on the bp. ←
13:12:03 <ericstephan> jerdeb: We came up with a draft of the model and received some comments and the discussion was captured in the wiki and mailing list.
Jeremy Debattista: We came up with a draft of the model and received some comments and the discussion was captured in the wiki and mailing list. ←
13:12:18 <riccardoAlbertoni> http://w3c.github.io/dwbp/vocab-dqg.html
Riccardo Albertoni: http://w3c.github.io/dwbp/vocab-dqg.html ←
13:12:21 <ericstephan> jerdeb: We do have an editors draft that we can find..
Riccardo Albertoni: We do have an editors draft that we can find.. ←
13:12:31 <ericstephan> sorry :-(
sorry :-( ←
13:12:47 <phila> s/jerdeb/riccardoAlbertoni
13:12:56 <ericstephan> thank you phila
thank you phila ←
13:13:48 <ericstephan> riccardoAlbertoni: in the vocab overview the classes and discussion about the dimensions that will be useful from the perspective for the quality
Riccardo Albertoni: in the vocab overview the classes and discussion about the dimensions that will be useful from the perspective for the quality ←
13:14:36 <ericstephan> riccardoAlbertoni: the first working draft is going forward and in section 3 in the vocab overview you see a picture of the schema.
Riccardo Albertoni: the first working draft is going forward and in section 3 in the vocab overview you see a picture of the schema. ←
13:15:18 <ericstephan> riccardoAlbertoni: basically quality can be attached to dcat distribution and dataset.
Riccardo Albertoni: basically quality can be attached to dcat distribution and dataset. ←
13:15:58 <ericstephan> riccardoAlbertoni: in the earlier version, you had the quality information classes related only to dataset now you have a finer level of granularity.
Riccardo Albertoni: in the earlier version, you had the quality information classes related only to dataset now you have a finer level of granularity. ←
13:17:10 <ericstephan> riccardoAlbertoni: made by allowing data quality being able to apply to different levels of data. Because others are not here I do not want to go into design discussion.
Riccardo Albertoni: made by allowing data quality being able to apply to different levels of data. Because others are not here I do not want to go into design discussion. ←
13:17:13 <ericstephan> q+
q+ ←
13:17:22 <phila> ack errics
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13:17:27 <phila> ach e
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13:17:30 <phila> ack e
Phil Archer: ack e ←
13:18:00 <phila> ericstephan: have you talked about connecting the DQV and the DUV? I notice you have a dqv:Feedback class for example
Eric Stephan: have you talked about connecting the DQV and the DUV? I notice you have a dqv:Feedback class for example [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ] ←
13:18:10 <phila> issue-165?
13:18:10 <trackbot> issue-165 -- what relation between duv:Feedback and dqv:Feedback? -- open
Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-165 -- what relation between duv:Feedback and dqv:Feedback? -- open ←
13:18:10 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/165
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13:18:21 <phila> riccardoAlbertoni: There is a feedback class in the current schema
Riccardo Albertoni: There is a feedback class in the current schema [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ] ←
13:18:42 <phila> riccardoAlbertoni: We have quality info as super class of feedback
Riccardo Albertoni: We have quality info as super class of feedback [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ] ←
13:18:53 <phila> ... these should be a good connection point between the two
Phil Archer: ... these should be a good connection point between the two ←
13:19:12 <phila> ... in my original design, they were the say. But Antoine and Christophe have changed it a little
Phil Archer: ... in my original design, they were the say. But Antoine and Christophe have changed it a little ←
13:19:18 <ericstephan> riccardoAlbertoni: the conceptual schema has quality information that might be a good entry point, in the early version of the we had a connection to the data usage vocab. It is something that we can address
Riccardo Albertoni: the conceptual schema has quality information that might be a good entry point, in the early version of the we had a connection to the data usage vocab. It is something that we can address ←
13:19:23 <phila> ... this is something we can address in the second stage
Phil Archer: ... this is something we can address in the second stage ←
13:20:50 <ericstephan> riccardoAlbertoni: in the new concept schema there is data quality at the meta level and data levels...
Riccardo Albertoni: in the new concept schema there is data quality at the meta level and data levels... ←
13:21:08 <laufer> +1 to phil question
Carlos Laufer: +1 to phil question ←
13:21:33 <jerdeb> +1 to phil... i feel the same way about it
Jeremy Debattista: +1 to phil... i feel the same way about it ←
13:22:05 <ericstephan> phila: if there is a semantic different use for feedback in both vocabularies and we need to keep them one vocab may need to change the name.
Phil Archer: if there is a semantic different use for feedback in both vocabularies and we need to keep them one vocab may need to change the name. ←
13:22:25 <ericstephan> phila: or show a relationship between them.
Phil Archer: or show a relationship between them. ←
13:22:52 <ericstephan> riccardoAlbertoni: not sure at this point there is an issue, we have duplicated feedback class as a kind of design trick, just to have a warning bell, the fact that dqv:feedback might be a duplication of duv:feedback is marked as and issue in the issue tracker ... anyway, I can update the issue according to the last DQV concept scheme and the Phil's comments...
Riccardo Albertoni: not sure at this point there is an issue, we have duplicated feedback class as a kind of design trick, just to have a warning bell, the fact that dqv:feedback might be a duplication of duv:feedback is marked as and issue in the issue tracker ... anyway, I can update the issue according to the last DQV concept scheme and the Phil's comments... ←
13:23:55 <ericstephan> jerdeb: In my last email I expressed some concern about the feedback class, but I am not that knowledgeable about what is happening with the data usage vocabulary.
Jeremy Debattista: In my last email I expressed some concern about the feedback class, but I am not that knowledgeable about what is happening with the data usage vocabulary. ←
13:24:04 <phila> issue-64?
13:24:04 <trackbot> issue-64 -- Jeremy t's expression of concern over 'data must be complete' - not realistic. better to say where it isn't complete -- closed
Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-64 -- Jeremy t's expression of concern over 'data must be complete' - not realistic. better to say where it isn't complete -- closed ←
13:24:04 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/64
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13:24:16 <phila> issue-164?
13:24:16 <trackbot> issue-164 -- Are statistics about a dataset a kind of quality info we need to include in the data quality vocabulary? -- open
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13:24:16 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/164
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13:25:02 <laufer> q+
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13:25:09 <ericstephan> riccardoAlbertoni: I think this issue can be closed. It was something we were thinking about, but it is not relevant anymore
Riccardo Albertoni: I think this issue can be closed. It was something we were thinking about, but it is not relevant anymore ←
13:25:12 <phila> ack l
Phil Archer: ack l ←
13:25:13 <laufer> zakim, unmute me
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13:25:35 <ericstephan> riccardoAlbertoni: if there are no objections can wan close it.
Riccardo Albertoni: if there are no objections can wan close it. ←
13:26:12 <ericstephan> laufer: there are differences I believe between the data usage vocabulary and data quality.
Carlos Laufer: there are differences I believe between the data usage vocabulary and data quality. ←
13:26:32 <riccardoAlbertoni> +1
Riccardo Albertoni: +1 ←
13:26:35 <riccardoAlbertoni> +q
Riccardo Albertoni: +q ←
13:26:41 <ericstephan> laufer: the concepts in the data quality vocabulary are at a different level than the dataset usage vocabulary.
Carlos Laufer: the concepts in the data quality vocabulary are at a different level than the dataset usage vocabulary. ←
13:26:42 <phila> ack r
Phil Archer: ack r ←
13:27:48 <laufer> Dduv treats feedback as the conversations beetwen users and statistics in a different way...
Carlos Laufer: Dduv treats feedback as the conversations beetwen users and statistics in a different way... ←
13:27:53 <ericstephan> riccardoAlbertoni: at the moment we are worrying more about the informatics side (issue 164?) and statistics from a quality indicator perspective.
Riccardo Albertoni: at the moment we are worrying more about the informatics side (ISSUE-164?) and statistics from a quality indicator perspective. ←
13:28:47 <laufer> zakim, mute me
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13:29:03 <ericstephan> riccardoAlbertoni: it might make sense to include this at some point, and the issue should be left open and put it in the document.
Riccardo Albertoni: it might make sense to include this at some point, and the issue should be left open and put it in the document. ←
13:29:25 <annette_g1> * you can click on it
Annette Greiner: * you can click on it ←
13:29:27 <ericstephan> phila: can you please make the diagram bigger?
Phil Archer: can you please make the diagram bigger? ←
13:29:40 <ericstephan> riccardoAlbertoni: yes I don't have the source.
Riccardo Albertoni: yes I don't have the source. ←
13:29:53 <ericstephan> riccardoAlbertoni: I will check on github
Riccardo Albertoni: I will check on github ←
13:30:50 <ericstephan> phila: in the existing draft we have the dimensions do you think by the time next week we can get this to the first public working draft?
Phil Archer: in the existing draft we have the dimensions do you think by the time next week we can get this to the first public working draft? ←
13:31:22 <ericstephan> phila: riccardoAlbertoni please take my name off the draft
Phil Archer: riccardoAlbertoni please take my name off the draft ←
13:31:32 <laufer> http://w3c.github.io/dwbp/images/Data%20Quality%200.2.svg
Carlos Laufer: http://w3c.github.io/dwbp/images/Data%20Quality%200.2.svg ←
13:31:58 <ericstephan> phila: can you get the draft in a state you can get feedback for review by next week?
Phil Archer: can you get the draft in a state you can get feedback for review by next week? ←
13:32:48 <ericstephan> riccardoAlbertoni: unsure of the timing because the other editors are not here.
Riccardo Albertoni: unsure of the timing because the other editors are not here. ←
13:33:25 <ericstephan> riccardoAlbertoni: We have made major changes that need to be discussed.
Riccardo Albertoni: We have made major changes that need to be discussed. ←
13:33:51 <ericstephan> phila: jerdeb do you have time to spend on this in the next week?
Phil Archer: jerdeb do you have time to spend on this in the next week? ←
13:33:54 <ericstephan> jerdeb: yes
Jeremy Debattista: yes ←
13:34:48 <ericstephan> phila: jerdeb and riccardoAlbertoni thank you so much for what you have done. Plan to talk with antoine later.
Phil Archer: jerdeb and riccardoAlbertoni thank you so much for what you have done. Plan to talk with antoine later. ←
13:34:48 <phila> Topic: DUV
13:35:03 <ericstephan> https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Dataset_usage_vocab_workspace
https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Dataset_usage_vocab_workspace ←
13:35:23 <phila> ericstephan: One of the things I set out with Dee a couple of weeks ago was that we'd set up a wiki page
Eric Stephan: One of the things I set out with Dee a couple of weeks ago was that we'd set up a wiki page [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ] ←
13:35:28 <phila> ... this was done
Phil Archer: ... this was done ←
13:35:42 <phila> ... some of the work hasn't been organised in terms of the wiki
Phil Archer: ... some of the work hasn't been organised in terms of the wiki ←
13:35:56 <phila> ... so now the wiki shows the history of how the DUV has been evolving over the last year
Phil Archer: ... so now the wiki shows the history of how the DUV has been evolving over the last year ←
13:36:12 <phila> ... in that page ... it's still being worked on, but I wanted to draw attention to
Phil Archer: ... in that page ... it's still being worked on, but I wanted to draw attention to ←
13:36:17 <ericstephan> https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Dataset_usage_vocab_workspace#May_09_2015_Model
https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Dataset_usage_vocab_workspace#May_09_2015_Model ←
13:36:37 <phila> ... at the very bottom of the page, as a result of the f2f pre meeting, we have come up with ...
Phil Archer: ... at the very bottom of the page, as a result of the f2f pre meeting, we have come up with ... ←
13:36:54 <phila> Berna has taken the UML model (using Enterprise Architect)
Phil Archer: Berna has taken the UML model (using Enterprise Architect) ←
13:37:02 <phila> we've revied the model quite a bit
Phil Archer: we've revied the model quite a bit ←
13:37:10 <ericstephan> https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Dataset_usage_vocab_workspace#Post_F2F3_Dataset_Usage_Vocabulary_Discussions
https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Dataset_usage_vocab_workspace#Post_F2F3_Dataset_Usage_Vocabulary_Discussions ←
13:37:15 <phila> I'm excited about the amount of feedback that we've been getting from the geroup
Phil Archer: I'm excited about the amount of feedback that we've been getting from the group ←
13:37:31 <newton> s/geroup/group
13:37:35 <phila> ... something I've been doing is tracking that feedback. The topic, decisions etc.
Phil Archer: ... something I've been doing is tracking that feedback. The topic, decisions etc. ←
13:37:59 <phila> ... There are 4 main things we've been working on
Phil Archer: ... There are 4 main things we've been working on ←
13:38:23 <phila> ... Antoine and I had a discussion on the mailing list (link at top) - shows early discussion bretween DUV and DQV
Phil Archer: ... Antoine and I had a discussion on the mailing list (link at top) - shows early discussion bretween DUV and DQV ←
13:38:40 <phila> ... severla sessions on data citations although some were under different threa headings
Phil Archer: ... severla sessions on data citations although some were under different threa headings ←
13:38:47 <Zakim> + +1.617.646.aaee
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13:38:53 <phila> ... making sure we capture everyone's concerns
Phil Archer: ... making sure we capture everyone's concerns ←
13:38:58 <phila> ... we're using hte CITO ontology
Phil Archer: ... we're using hte CITO ontology ←
13:39:23 <phila> ... very simple, Ghislain et have been working through examples. It's lightweight and descriptiove enough for us to use
Phil Archer: ... very simple, Ghislain et have been working through examples. It's lightweight and descriptiove enough for us to use ←
13:39:52 <phila> ... One challenge has been... indicating all the changes based on e-mail in the model - at hte f2f meeting we were looking at SiOC vocab
Phil Archer: ... One challenge has been... indicating all the changes based on e-mail in the model - at hte f2f meeting we were looking at SiOC vocab ←
13:39:57 <ericstephan> http://rdfs.org/sioc/spec/
13:40:30 <phila> ... It models the entire chat room experience, but one thing we found was that it might have been too complex for what we needed
Phil Archer: ... It models the entire chat room experience, but one thing we found was that it might have been too complex for what we needed ←
13:40:37 <phila> ... might be difficult to align to the dataset itself
Phil Archer: ... might be difficult to align to the dataset itself ←
13:40:40 <ericstephan> http://vocab.org/review/terms.html
http://vocab.org/review/terms.html ←
13:40:58 <phila> ... We were directed to a lighter weight vocab
Phil Archer: ... We were directed to a lighter weight vocab ←
13:41:07 <phila> ... so we're looking at that
Phil Archer: ... so we're looking at that ←
13:41:19 <ericstephan> http://www.w3.org/TR/annotation-model/
http://www.w3.org/TR/annotation-model/ ←
13:41:19 <phila> ... Another thread, using the annotation model for describing feedback
Phil Archer: ... Another thread, using the annotation model for describing feedback ←
13:41:35 <phila> ericstephan: In the model you'll see that they're inheriting feedback from the annotation class
Eric Stephan: In the model you'll see that they're inheriting feedback from the annotation class [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ] ←
13:41:52 <phila> ericstephan: I notice that phila said we should connect with the annotation WG
Eric Stephan: I notice that phila said we should connect with the annotation WG [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ] ←
13:42:02 <phila> phila: +1
Phil Archer: +1 [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ] ←
13:42:06 <ericstephan> https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/images/c/c7/Duv-model05082015.png
https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/images/c/c7/Duv-model05082015.png ←
13:42:13 <phila> ericstephan: COming back to the picture...
Eric Stephan: COming back to the picture... [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ] ←
13:42:28 <phila> ... I wanted share that things are moving fairly quickly...
Phil Archer: ... I wanted share that things are moving fairly quickly... ←
13:42:49 <phila> ... we have a draft of the DUV that Sumt has been working on. We're going with the look and feel similar to the DCAT spec
Phil Archer: ... we have a draft of the DUV that Sumt has been working on. We're going with the look and feel similar to the DCAT spec ←
13:42:59 <phila> ... mainly because it was very starightforward
Phil Archer: ... mainly because it was very starightforward ←
13:43:21 <phila> ... this past week I created a Turtle version (it'll be on GitHub soon)
Phil Archer: ... this past week I created a Turtle version (it'll be on GitHub soon) ←
13:43:46 <phila> ... we should havea something on GitHub by the end of the day (PDST)
Phil Archer: ... we should havea something on GitHub by the end of the day (PDST) ←
13:44:14 <phila> ... aim is to have something to submit to the WG by 18 May, so I'll say we'll push for having something for the group tpo review a week today but I can't promise any earlier
Phil Archer: ... aim is to have something to submit to the WG by 18 May, so I'll say we'll push for having something for the group tpo review a week today but I can't promise any earlier ←
13:46:01 <laufer> q+
Carlos Laufer: q+ ←
13:46:19 <phila> ack l
Phil Archer: ack l ←
13:46:21 <laufer> zakim, unmute me
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13:46:21 <Zakim> laufer was not muted, laufer
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13:46:55 <SumitPurohit> phila, please use "purohitsumit@gmail.com"
Sumit Purohit: phila, please use "purohitsumit@gmail.com" ←
13:46:59 <phila> laufer: So again about the relationship |-| two vocabularies
Carlos Laufer: So again about the relationship |-| two vocabularies [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ] ←
13:47:37 <phila> ... all the things we have related to stats or metrics, we don't have in the DUV. I'm not saying this is not a good thing, but maybe we think the usage metrics will be in the DQV - but we need to state them
Phil Archer: ... all the things we have related to stats or metrics, we don't have in the DUV. I'm not saying this is not a good thing, but maybe we think the usage metrics will be in the DQV - but we need to state them ←
13:48:25 <phila> ... So what is the relationship. What part will be treated by each?
Phil Archer: ... So what is the relationship. What part will be treated by each? ←
13:48:39 <laufer> zakim, mute me
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13:48:39 <Zakim> laufer should now be muted
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13:49:06 <phila> ericstephan: One of the things we did at the f2f was to decide to focus on the DCAT definition of dataset
Eric Stephan: One of the things we did at the f2f was to decide to focus on the DCAT definition of dataset [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ] ←
13:49:20 <phila> ... we realised that when we did that, we'd be keeping usage at a very specific level
Phil Archer: ... we realised that when we did that, we'd be keeping usage at a very specific level ←
13:49:34 <phila> ... and that we weren't going to be addressing things at the inside the dataset level
Phil Archer: ... and that we weren't going to be addressing things at the inside the dataset level ←
13:50:29 <phila> ericstephan: So some of it is data feedback, and we're concerned with dataset feedback
Eric Stephan: So some of it is data feedback, and we're concerned with dataset feedback [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ] ←
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13:50:34 <riccardoAlbertoni> q
13:51:38 <phila> laufer: Statistics about number of properties is one thing, stats about the usage of the dataset are another
Carlos Laufer: Statistics about number of properties is one thing, stats about the usage of the dataset are another [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ] ←
13:51:58 <phila> ericstephan: I'm hoping that we can apply the DQV at the level of the dataset itself, cf. what's inside the dataset
Eric Stephan: I'm hoping that we can apply the DUV at the level of the dataset itself, cf. what's inside the dataset [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ] ←
13:52:06 <phila> s/DQV/DUV/
13:52:29 <phila> laufer: WE can have human things related to the dataset about quality and usage
Carlos Laufer: WE can have human things related to the dataset about quality and usage [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ] ←
13:52:45 <phila> ericstephan: So one of the things...
Eric Stephan: So one of the things... [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ] ←
13:52:49 <ericstephan> https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Dataset_usage_vocab_workspace#Relationship_Between_the_Dataset_Usage_Vocab_and_Data_Quality_Vocab
https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Dataset_usage_vocab_workspace#Relationship_Between_the_Dataset_Usage_Vocab_and_Data_Quality_Vocab ←
13:53:28 <phila> ericstephan: In the discusion with Antoine, he was clear that on the 2nd decision, he didn't want the DQV to support rating the raters
Eric Stephan: In the discusion with Antoine, he was clear that on the 2nd decision, he didn't want the DQV to support rating the raters [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ] ←
13:53:42 <phila> ... I was thinking about assessing someone who is providing an opinion
Phil Archer: ... I was thinking about assessing someone who is providing an opinion ←
13:53:50 <phila> ... he wanted to focus to statements on the data only
Phil Archer: ... he wanted to focus to statements on the data only ←
13:54:11 <phila> ... the think you, laufer, are talking about, I agree with, but it's a conversation that we need ot have in terms fo tracking other kinds fo quality info
Phil Archer: ... the think you, laufer, are talking about, I agree with, but it's a conversation that we need ot have in terms fo tracking other kinds fo quality info ←
13:54:23 <phila> q+
Phil Archer: q+ ←
13:54:43 <phila> ericstephan: I'm saying I agree with you, I just don't know whetehr that's of interest to the otehr editors
Eric Stephan: I'm saying I agree with you, I just don't know whetehr that's of interest to the otehr editors [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ] ←
13:55:07 <annette_g1> q+
Annette Greiner: q+ ←
13:55:26 <phila> laufer: I don't disagree with this separation., maybe in some place in our docs, we can say that part of this info is treated as quality info and some is treated as usage info
Carlos Laufer: I don't disagree with this separation., maybe in some place in our docs, we can say that part of this info is treated as quality info and some is treated as usage info [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ] ←
13:55:34 <phila> ... I think we need to put that into words somewher
Phil Archer: ... I think we need to put that into words somewher ←
13:55:40 <laufer> zakim, mute me
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13:55:43 <phila> ericstephan: we don't want to confuse people
Eric Stephan: we don't want to confuse people [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ] ←
13:57:06 <ericstephan> +1 phila
+1 phila ←
13:57:18 <laufer> +1
Carlos Laufer: +1 ←
13:57:24 <ericstephan> for the dcat namespace
for the dcat namespace ←
13:57:47 <annette_g1> q-
Annette Greiner: q- ←
13:58:39 <ericstephan> phila: the European Commission Deidre and Peter and Max and I will all be in the same place. DCAT is getting a lot of discussion here. That group will come to us with changes to DCAT.
Phil Archer: the European Commission Deidre and Peter and Max and I will all be in the same place. DCAT is getting a lot of discussion here. That group will come to us with changes to DCAT. ←
13:59:00 <phila> q-
Phil Archer: q- ←
13:59:14 <ericstephan> phila: it would be within the scope of our group to do that, we will have to make that decision ourselves.
Phil Archer: it would be within the scope of our group to do that, we will have to make that decision ourselves. ←
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13:59:38 <laufer> bye all, nice wkd
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13:59:40 <riccardoAlbertoni> have good week end ! Thanks
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