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Data on the Web Best Practices Working Group Teleconference

Minutes of 13 March 2015

Seen
Adriano Pereira, Annette Greiner, Bernadette Farias Loscio, Carlos Laufer, Caroline Burle, Deirdre Lee, Eric Stephan, Manuel Carrasco Benitez, Newton Calegari, Phil Archer, Steven Adler, Sumit Purohit, Yaso Córdova
Guests
Newton Calegari
Scribe
Annette Greiner
IRC Log
Original
Resolutions
  1. Accept last week's minutes link
  2. That we include multingualism in the Best Practice document link
Topics
12:57:47 <RRSAgent> logging to http://www.w3.org/2015/03/13-dwbp-irc

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12:57:51 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be DWBP

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12:57:52 <trackbot> Meeting: Data on the Web Best Practices Working Group Teleconference
12:57:52 <trackbot> Date: 13 March 2015
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12:59:16 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]

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12:59:17 <phila> zakim, [ is me

Phil Archer: zakim, [ is me

12:59:17 <Zakim> +phila; got it

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12:59:27 <phila> phila has changed the topic to: agenda https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Meetings:Telecon20150313

Phil Archer: phila has changed the topic to: agenda https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Meetings:Telecon20150313

12:59:37 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]

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12:59:50 <deirdrelee> Guest: Newton Calegari
12:59:50 <deirdrelee> zakim, ipcaller is me

Deirdre Lee: zakim, ipcaller is me

12:59:50 <Zakim> +deirdrelee; got it

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13:00:23 <Zakim> +??P15

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13:00:43 <MTCarrasco> zakim, ??P15 is me

Manuel Carrasco Benitez: zakim, ??P15 is me

13:00:43 <Zakim> +MTCarrasco; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +MTCarrasco; got it

13:00:58 <MTCarrasco> zakim, mute me

Manuel Carrasco Benitez: zakim, mute me

13:00:58 <Zakim> MTCarrasco should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: MTCarrasco should now be muted

13:01:01 <Zakim> + +1.617.646.aaaa

Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.617.646.aaaa

13:01:42 <Zakim> +annette_g

Zakim IRC Bot: +annette_g

13:02:16 <deirdrelee> zakim, who is here?

Deirdre Lee: zakim, who is here?

13:02:16 <Zakim> On the phone I see phila, deirdrelee, MTCarrasco (muted), +1.617.646.aaaa, annette_g

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see phila, deirdrelee, MTCarrasco (muted), +1.617.646.aaaa, annette_g

13:02:19 <Zakim> On IRC I see laufer, annette_g, MTCarrasco, Zakim, RRSAgent, deirdrelee, yaso, phila, hadleybeeman, rhiaro, trackbot

Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see laufer, annette_g, MTCarrasco, Zakim, RRSAgent, deirdrelee, yaso, phila, hadleybeeman, rhiaro, trackbot

13:02:37 <deirdrelee> zakim, aaaa is SumitPurohit

Deirdre Lee: zakim, aaaa is SumitPurohit

13:02:37 <Zakim> +SumitPurohit; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +SumitPurohit; got it

13:03:06 <MTCarrasco> zakim, umnute me

Manuel Carrasco Benitez: zakim, umnute me

13:03:06 <Zakim> I don't understand 'umnute me', MTCarrasco

Zakim IRC Bot: I don't understand 'umnute me', MTCarrasco

13:03:28 <deirdrelee> scribe: annette_g

(Scribe set to Annette Greiner)

13:03:43 <Zakim> +Reinaldo

Zakim IRC Bot: +Reinaldo

13:03:55 <newton> Zakim, Reinaldo is yaso

Newton Calegari: Zakim, Reinaldo is yaso

13:03:55 <Zakim> +yaso; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +yaso; got it

13:04:11 <newton> Zakim, yaso has newton, Caroline_

Newton Calegari: Zakim, yaso has newton, Caroline_

13:04:11 <Zakim> +newton, Caroline_; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +newton, Caroline_; got it

13:04:18 <MTCarrasco> zakim, unmute me

Manuel Carrasco Benitez: zakim, unmute me

13:04:18 <Zakim> MTCarrasco should no longer be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: MTCarrasco should no longer be muted

13:04:24 <deirdrelee> zakim, who is here?

Deirdre Lee: zakim, who is here?

13:04:24 <Zakim> On the phone I see phila, deirdrelee, MTCarrasco, SumitPurohit, annette_g, yaso

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see phila, deirdrelee, MTCarrasco, SumitPurohit, annette_g, yaso

13:04:27 <Zakim> yaso has newton, Caroline_

Zakim IRC Bot: yaso has newton, Caroline_

13:04:27 <Zakim> On IRC I see adler1, Caroline_, BernadetteLoscio, SumitPurohit, newton, laufer, annette_g, MTCarrasco, Zakim, RRSAgent, deirdrelee, yaso, phila, hadleybeeman, rhiaro, trackbot

Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see adler1, Caroline_, BernadetteLoscio, SumitPurohit, newton, laufer, annette_g, MTCarrasco, Zakim, RRSAgent, deirdrelee, yaso, phila, hadleybeeman, rhiaro, trackbot

13:04:36 <yaso1> Zakim, Reinaldo is yaso

Yaso Córdova: Zakim, Reinaldo is yaso

13:04:36 <Zakim> sorry, yaso1, I do not recognize a party named 'Reinaldo'

Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, yaso1, I do not recognize a party named 'Reinaldo'

13:04:55 <Zakim> + +1.516.944.aabb

Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.516.944.aabb

13:05:00 <newton> Zakim, yaso1 is yaso

Newton Calegari: Zakim, yaso1 is yaso

13:05:00 <Zakim> sorry, newton, I do not recognize a party named 'yaso1'

Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, newton, I do not recognize a party named 'yaso1'

13:05:05 <adler1> zakim, aabb is me

Steven Adler: zakim, aabb is me

13:05:05 <Zakim> +adler1; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +adler1; got it

13:05:06 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]

Zakim IRC Bot: +[IPcaller]

13:05:10 <BernadetteLoscio> zakim, ipcaller is BernadetteLoscio

Bernadette Farias Loscio: zakim, ipcaller is BernadetteLoscio

13:05:10 <Zakim> +BernadetteLoscio; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +BernadetteLoscio; got it

13:05:14 <annette_g> MTCarrasco: we should always plan the date according to UCT

Manuel Carrasco Benitez: we should always plan the date according to UCT

13:05:25 <BernadetteLoscio> zakim, mute BernadetteLoscio

Bernadette Farias Loscio: zakim, mute BernadetteLoscio

13:05:25 <Zakim> BernadetteLoscio should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: BernadetteLoscio should now be muted

13:05:32 <annette_g> deirdrelee: our system uses EST

Deirdre Lee: our system uses EST

13:05:41 <Caroline_> q+ about time difference

Caroline Burle: q+ about time difference

13:05:48 <deirdrelee> zakim, who is here?

Deirdre Lee: zakim, who is here?

13:05:48 <Zakim> On the phone I see phila, deirdrelee, MTCarrasco, SumitPurohit, annette_g, yaso, adler1, BernadetteLoscio (muted)

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see phila, deirdrelee, MTCarrasco, SumitPurohit, annette_g, yaso, adler1, BernadetteLoscio (muted)

13:05:51 <Zakim> yaso has newton, Caroline_

Zakim IRC Bot: yaso has newton, Caroline_

13:05:51 <Zakim> On IRC I see yaso1, adler1, Caroline_, BernadetteLoscio, SumitPurohit, newton, laufer, annette_g, MTCarrasco, Zakim, RRSAgent, deirdrelee, yaso, phila, hadleybeeman, rhiaro,

Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see yaso1, adler1, Caroline_, BernadetteLoscio, SumitPurohit, newton, laufer, annette_g, MTCarrasco, Zakim, RRSAgent, deirdrelee, yaso, phila, hadleybeeman, rhiaro,

13:05:51 <Zakim> ... trackbot

Zakim IRC Bot: ... trackbot

13:05:56 <annette_g> phila: we can do it either way, but there is always some confusion

Phil Archer: we can do it either way, but there is always some confusion

13:05:57 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]

Zakim IRC Bot: +[IPcaller]

13:06:01 <MTCarrasco> zakim,  mute me

Manuel Carrasco Benitez: zakim, mute me

13:06:01 <Zakim> MTCarrasco should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: MTCarrasco should now be muted

13:06:14 <laufer> zakim, mute me

Carlos Laufer: zakim, mute me

13:06:14 <Zakim> sorry, laufer, I do not know which phone connection belongs to you

Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, laufer, I do not know which phone connection belongs to you

13:06:20 <deirdrelee> PROPOSED: Accept last week's minutes http://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/dwbp/2015-03-06

PROPOSED: Accept last week's minutes http://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/dwbp/2015-03-06

13:06:28 <deirdrelee> +1

Deirdre Lee: +1

13:06:28 <laufer> zakim, IPcaller is me

Carlos Laufer: zakim, IPcaller is me

13:06:28 <Zakim> +laufer; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +laufer; got it

13:06:35 <adler1> +1

Steven Adler: +1

13:06:37 <laufer> zakim, mute me

Carlos Laufer: zakim, mute me

13:06:37 <Zakim> laufer should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: laufer should now be muted

13:06:38 <yaso1> +1

Yaso Córdova: +1

13:06:40 <Caroline_> +1

Caroline Burle: +1

13:06:42 <phila> +1

Phil Archer: +1

13:06:44 <MTCarrasco> +1

Manuel Carrasco Benitez: +1

13:06:45 <newton> +1

Newton Calegari: +1

13:06:52 <annette_g> +1

+1

13:06:55 <phila> zakim, who is noisy?

Phil Archer: zakim, who is noisy?

13:06:58 <laufer> 0 (was not here)

Carlos Laufer: 0 (was not here)

13:07:06 <Zakim> phila, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: deirdrelee (95%), yaso (9%)

Zakim IRC Bot: phila, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: deirdrelee (95%), yaso (9%)

13:07:14 <annette_g> RESOLVED: Accept last week's minutes

RESOLVED: Accept last week's minutes

13:07:32 <yaso1> q+

Yaso Córdova: q+

13:07:35 <yaso1> q-

Yaso Córdova: q-

13:07:50 <Caroline_> if we keep USA time is easier because Zakim is attached to it. So we may consider the diferent timezones based on USA

Caroline Burle: if we keep USA time is easier because Zakim is attached to it. So we may consider the diferent timezones based on USA

13:07:51 <annette_g> deirdrelee: should we switch the system to use UTC?

Deirdre Lee: should we switch the system to use UTC?

13:07:56 <deirdrelee> q?

Deirdre Lee: q?

13:08:06 <adler1> agree!

Steven Adler: agree!

13:08:24 <adler1> yes, ET is best :)

Steven Adler: yes, ET is best :)

13:08:25 <annette_g> Caroline: we should only consider Zakim time, EST

Caroline Burle: we should only consider Zakim time, EST

13:08:31 <annette_g> q+

q+

13:09:00 <adler1> it is New York time

Steven Adler: it is New York time

13:09:05 <adler1> Boston is a minor city

Steven Adler: Boston is a minor city

13:09:12 <Caroline_> Suggestion - consider Boston time, even when is changes to Winter or Summer time! :)

Caroline Burle: Suggestion - consider Boston time, even when is changes to Winter or Summer time! :)

13:09:17 <annette_g> Annette: Zakim is EDT

Annette Greiner: Zakim is EDT

13:09:20 <adler1> we have more Irish in NY

Steven Adler: we have more Irish in NY

13:09:28 <annette_g> phila: let's just call it Boston time (Cambridge time)

Phil Archer: let's just call it Boston time (Cambridge time)

13:09:39 <Caroline_> +1 to phila

Caroline Burle: +1 to phila

13:09:57 <SumitPurohit> +1

Sumit Purohit: +1

13:10:09 <MTCarrasco> +1 as it is easier Boston time

Manuel Carrasco Benitez: +1 as it is easier Boston time

13:10:17 <BernadetteLoscio> zakim, unmute BernadetteLoscio

Bernadette Farias Loscio: zakim, unmute BernadetteLoscio

13:10:17 <Zakim> BernadetteLoscio should no longer be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: BernadetteLoscio should no longer be muted

13:10:19 <annette_g> deirdrelee: we need to get back to issues. First half hour is dedicated to Best Practies.

Deirdre Lee: we need to get back to issues. First half hour is dedicated to Best Practies.

13:10:42 <MTCarrasco> zakim,  mute me

Manuel Carrasco Benitez: zakim, mute me

13:10:42 <Zakim> MTCarrasco was already muted, MTCarrasco

Zakim IRC Bot: MTCarrasco was already muted, MTCarrasco

13:11:06 <annette_g> BernadetteLoscio:  was talking with Newton about issues. They selected most important issues for metadata

Bernadette Farias Loscio: was talking with Newton about issues. They selected most important issues for metadata

13:11:35 <annette_g> BernadetteLoscio: they changed some numbers of issues.

Bernadette Farias Loscio: they changed some numbers of issues.

13:12:08 <annette_g> BernadetteLoscio: looking at notes from Chritophe, Annette, Don ??

Bernadette Farias Loscio: looking at notes from Chritophe, Annette, Don ??

13:12:18 <phila> q+

Phil Archer: q+

13:12:18 <newton> s/Dan ??/Dan Brickley

Newton Calegari: s/Dan ??/Dan Brickley (warning: replacement failed)

13:12:29 <annette_g> ack me

ack me

13:13:04 <annette_g> BernadetteLoscio: we need to discuss the organization of the BPs

Bernadette Farias Loscio: we need to discuss the organization of the BPs

13:13:20 <deirdrelee> q?

Deirdre Lee: q?

13:14:09 <phila> ack me

Phil Archer: ack me

13:14:25 <phila> -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-dwbp-wg/2015Mar/0031.html

Phil Archer: -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-dwbp-wg/2015Mar/0031.html

13:14:37 <phila> https://www.w3.org/2006/02/lc-comments-tracker/68239/BP%20Doc%20FPWD/

Phil Archer: https://www.w3.org/2006/02/lc-comments-tracker/68239/BP%20Doc%20FPWD/

13:14:46 <annette_g> phila: we have a new tool, comment tracker, tracks comments we receive (links above)

Phil Archer: we have a new tool, comment tracker, tracks comments we receive (links above)

13:15:06 <ericstephan> Sorry joining late, just got back in from a workshop at 1am this morning...

Eric Stephan: Sorry joining late, just got back in from a workshop at 1am this morning...

13:15:23 <annette_g> phila: at bottom of page, there are places for us to put notes, resolutions

Phil Archer: at bottom of page, there are places for us to put notes, resolutions

13:15:43 <deirdrelee> no worries Eric, welcome!

Deirdre Lee: no worries Eric, welcome!

13:15:49 <adler1> who is authorized to change status?

Steven Adler: who is authorized to change status?

13:16:07 <adler1> what happens if three different people change status

Steven Adler: what happens if three different people change status

13:16:13 <annette_g> phila: we can resolve yes/no/partial, put in pointer to resolution (point to minutes of the meeting)

Phil Archer: we can resolve yes/no/partial, put in pointer to resolution (point to minutes of the meeting)

13:16:15 <BernadetteLoscio> q+

Bernadette Farias Loscio: q+

13:16:40 <deirdrelee> ack BernadetteLoscio

Deirdre Lee: ack BernadetteLoscio

13:17:15 <annette_g> BernadetteLoscio: Christophe sent a list of comments, which will have more than one resolution

Bernadette Farias Loscio: Christophe sent a list of comments, which will have more than one resolution

13:17:43 <annette_g> phila: at the bottom, there's a link to add a comment. YOu can copy/paste a particular paragraph or the whole message

Phil Archer: at the bottom, there's a link to add a comment. YOu can copy/paste a particular paragraph or the whole message

13:17:54 <annette_g> you can use the separate comment approach

you can use the separate comment approach

13:17:57 <adler1> q+

Steven Adler: q+

13:18:00 <Zakim> +estephan

Zakim IRC Bot: +estephan

13:18:32 <annette_g> BernadetteLoscio: definition of metadata is an issue resolved by mail

Bernadette Farias Loscio: definition of metadata is an issue resolved by mail

13:19:02 <annette_g> phila: we do need to record that we resolved something, can be quick mention in a meeting

Phil Archer: we do need to record that we resolved something, can be quick mention in a meeting

13:19:26 <annette_g> BernadetteLoscio: I think we can do this

Bernadette Farias Loscio: I think we can do this

13:19:45 <annette_g> phila: editors need to decisde who puts comments into the tracker each time

Phil Archer: editors need to decide who puts comments into the tracker each time

13:19:58 <deirdrelee> ack adler1

Deirdre Lee: ack adler1

13:19:59 <annette_g> s/decisde/decide
13:20:04 <deirdrelee> ack adler

Deirdre Lee: ack adler

13:20:18 <annette_g> adler1: do we add comemnts ourselves?

Steven Adler: do we add comemnts ourselves?

13:20:34 <phila> https://www.w3.org/2006/02/lc-comments-tracker/68239/

Phil Archer: https://www.w3.org/2006/02/lc-comments-tracker/68239/

13:21:17 <annette_g> phila: you can go straight there and click the comments link. It's only for comments made by email.

Phil Archer: you can go straight there and click the comments link. It's only for comments made by email.

13:21:46 <newton> The first issue related to the BP1 is http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/142

Newton Calegari: The first issue related to the BP1 is http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/142

13:22:14 <phila> issue-142?

Phil Archer: ISSUE-142?

13:22:14 <trackbot> issue-142 -- About multilingualism -- open

Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-142 -- About multilingualism -- open

13:22:14 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/142

Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/142

13:22:36 <annette_g> newton: Max raised this issue

Newton Calegari: Makx raised this issue

13:22:43 <newton> s/Max/Makx
13:22:46 <phila> -> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-dwbp-wg/2015Jan/0240.html Makx's comments

Phil Archer: -> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-dwbp-wg/2015Jan/0240.html Makx's comments

13:23:08 <annette_g> adler1: is the issue that metadata's always in English?

Steven Adler: is the issue that metadata's always in English?

13:23:37 <adler1> q+

Steven Adler: q+

13:23:49 <annette_g> deirdrelee: we want to make sure everyone is happy with each bP

Deirdre Lee: we want to make sure everyone is happy with each bP

13:24:48 <deirdrelee> q?

Deirdre Lee: q?

13:24:51 <annette_g> BernadetteLoscio: it's important that we are happy with the organization and each of the three BPs. Others are specializations of these ones.

Bernadette Farias Loscio: it's important that we are happy with the organization and each of the three BPs. Others are specializations of these ones.

13:25:03 <deirdrelee> ack adler

Deirdre Lee: ack adler

13:25:10 <deirdrelee> q+

Deirdre Lee: q+

13:25:14 <annette_g> adler1: excellent topic.

Steven Adler: excellent topic.

13:25:46 <annette_g> are we going to allow people in Brazil to write metadata in Portuguese, Germans in German?

are we going to allow people in Brazil to write metadata in Portuguese, Germans in German?

13:25:58 <MTCarrasco> zakim, unmute me

Manuel Carrasco Benitez: zakim, unmute me

13:25:58 <Zakim> MTCarrasco should no longer be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: MTCarrasco should no longer be muted

13:26:01 <MTCarrasco> q+

Manuel Carrasco Benitez: q+

13:26:02 <annette_g> phila: suggests use native language, add English if possible

Phil Archer: suggests use native language, add English if possible

13:26:03 <BernadetteLoscio> q=

Bernadette Farias Loscio: q=

13:26:50 <annette_g> BernadetteLoscio: I think we're talking about different things. Docuemnt metadata means to provide metadat. It should be provided in  more than one language. If we use standard terms, they should be in English.

Bernadette Farias Loscio: I think we're talking about different things. Docuemnt metadata means to provide metadat. It should be provided in more than one language. If we use standard terms, they should be in English.

13:26:52 <laufer> q+

Carlos Laufer: q+

13:26:58 <deirdrelee> q-

Deirdre Lee: q-

13:27:32 <phila> q+ to talk about multilingual schemata

Phil Archer: q+ to talk about multilingual schemata

13:27:58 <annette_g> adler1: agrees that those are the issues. Do we need to write a BP that normalizes multilingual metadata so that it can be understood by machines and humans. In the future, we might have things conforming but that might not be apparent to machines.

Steven Adler: agrees that those are the issues. Do we need to write a BP that normalizes multilingual metadata so that it can be understood by machines and humans. In the future, we might have things conforming but that might not be apparent to machines.

13:27:59 <yaso1> q?

Yaso Córdova: q?

13:27:59 <deirdrelee> q?

Deirdre Lee: q?

13:28:16 <annette_g> BernadetteLoscio: But we're talking about standard vocabularies, no?

Bernadette Farias Loscio: But we're talking about standard vocabularies, no?

13:28:34 <annette_g> adler1: you have the standard terms but also the values

Steven Adler: you have the standard terms but also the values

13:28:54 <deirdrelee> ack MTCarrasco

Deirdre Lee: ack MTCarrasco

13:29:19 <annette_g> MTCarrasco: three items: name of element (must be the same in all languages), content of the element.

Manuel Carrasco Benitez: three items: name of element (must be the same in all languages), content of the element.

13:30:02 <annette_g> With content you have some that are not language dependent and some, like descriptions, that are

With content you have some that are not language dependent and some, like descriptions, that are

13:30:26 <adler1> well said

Steven Adler: well said

13:30:28 <laufer> zakim, unmute me

Carlos Laufer: zakim, unmute me

13:30:28 <Zakim> laufer should no longer be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: laufer should no longer be muted

13:30:33 <deirdrelee> ack laufer

Deirdre Lee: ack laufer

13:30:53 <deirdrelee> q+

Deirdre Lee: q+

13:30:57 <MTCarrasco> q+

Manuel Carrasco Benitez: q+

13:31:44 <annette_g> laufer: each publisher will choose the language for the content that they think is suitable, but vocabularies are defined in the language of the vocab writers. We can recommend, but we can't be overly assertive about this.

Carlos Laufer: each publisher will choose the language for the content that they think is suitable, but vocabularies are defined in the language of the vocab writers. We can recommend, but we can't be overly assertive about this.

13:31:55 <laufer> zakim, mute me

Carlos Laufer: zakim, mute me

13:31:55 <Zakim> laufer should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: laufer should now be muted

13:31:56 <deirdrelee> ack laufer

Deirdre Lee: ack laufer

13:31:59 <deirdrelee> ack phila

Deirdre Lee: ack phila

13:32:00 <Zakim> phila, you wanted to talk about multilingual schemata

Zakim IRC Bot: phila, you wanted to talk about multilingual schemata

13:32:00 <phila> -> http://www.w3.org/TR/ld-bp/#vocabulary-checklist LD-BP

Phil Archer: -> http://www.w3.org/TR/ld-bp/#vocabulary-checklist LD-BP

13:32:00 <annette_g> phila: agrees with laufer

Phil Archer: agrees with laufer

13:32:20 <phila> -> http://www.w3.org/ns/dcat.ttl DCAT namespace

Phil Archer: -> http://www.w3.org/ns/dcat.ttl DCAT namespace

13:32:38 <annette_g> phila: the linked data BPs has something to say about this. DCAT is in multiple languages now.

Phil Archer: the linked data BPs has something to say about this. DCAT is in multiple languages now.

13:32:58 <annette_g> phila: whataver you use, it's the same vocab

Phil Archer: whataver you use, it's the same vocab

13:33:00 <adler1> nice

Steven Adler: nice

13:33:02 <Zakim> +??P32

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P32

13:33:12 <phila> zakim, who is noisy?

Phil Archer: zakim, who is noisy?

13:33:15 <annette_g> I cannot hear

I cannot hear

13:33:19 <Caroline_> Zakim, mute adler1

Caroline Burle: Zakim, mute adler1

13:33:19 <Zakim> adler1 should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: adler1 should now be muted

13:33:24 <Caroline_> Zakim, mute AdrianoC

Caroline Burle: Zakim, mute AdrianoC

13:33:25 <Zakim> phila, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: deirdrelee (31%), MTCarrasco (4%), laufer (8%)

Zakim IRC Bot: phila, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: deirdrelee (31%), MTCarrasco (4%), laufer (8%)

13:33:25 <Zakim> sorry, Caroline_, I do not know which phone connection belongs to AdrianoC

Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, Caroline_, I do not know which phone connection belongs to AdrianoC

13:33:26 <AdrianoC> Zakim, ??P32 is AdrianoC

Adriano Pereira: Zakim, ??P32 is AdrianoC

13:33:28 <Zakim> +AdrianoC; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +AdrianoC; got it

13:33:29 <adler1> I am muted on my phone

Steven Adler: I am muted on my phone

13:33:33 <phila> zakim, mute laufer

Phil Archer: zakim, mute laufer

13:33:33 <Zakim> laufer should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: laufer should now be muted

13:33:33 <newton> Zakim, mute +??P32

Newton Calegari: Zakim, mute +??P32

13:33:34 <Zakim> sorry, newton, I do not know which phone connection belongs to +??P32

Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, newton, I do not know which phone connection belongs to +??P32

13:33:36 <laufer> hey P32!!!

Carlos Laufer: hey P32!!!

13:33:42 <Caroline_> Zakim, unmute adler1

Caroline Burle: Zakim, unmute adler1

13:33:42 <Zakim> adler1 should no longer be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: adler1 should no longer be muted

13:33:43 <phila> zakim, mute MTCarrasco

Phil Archer: zakim, mute MTCarrasco

13:33:43 <Zakim> MTCarrasco should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: MTCarrasco should now be muted

13:33:44 <newton> Zakim, mute AdrianoC

Newton Calegari: Zakim, mute AdrianoC

13:33:44 <Zakim> AdrianoC should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: AdrianoC should now be muted

13:33:49 <phila> zakim, unmute laufer

Phil Archer: zakim, unmute laufer

13:33:49 <Zakim> laufer should no longer be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: laufer should no longer be muted

13:33:56 <phila> ack deirdrelee

Phil Archer: ack deirdrelee

13:34:03 <MTCarrasco> zakim, unmute me

Manuel Carrasco Benitez: zakim, unmute me

13:34:03 <Zakim> MTCarrasco should no longer be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: MTCarrasco should no longer be muted

13:34:12 <BernadetteLoscio> +q

Bernadette Farias Loscio: +q

13:34:15 <AdrianoC> Sorry, I am in a crowd place and my mic was on! :-}

Adriano Pereira: Sorry, I am in a crowd place and my mic was on! :-}

13:34:31 <annette_g> deirdrelee: I agres with what previous people said, we should include it in the BP doc. We have a pretty concrete approach.

Deirdre Lee: I agres with what previous people said, we should include it in the BP doc. We have a pretty concrete approach.

13:34:34 <deirdrelee> q?

Deirdre Lee: q?

13:34:35 <annette_g> * resolution?

* resolution?

13:35:08 <deirdrelee> ack MTCarrasco

Deirdre Lee: ack MTCarrasco

13:35:29 <annette_g> MTCarrasco: we should have a language neutral code.

Manuel Carrasco Benitez: we should have a language neutral code.

13:35:29 <Zakim> -deirdrelee

Zakim IRC Bot: -deirdrelee

13:36:12 <annette_g> MTCarrasco: when people publish, they must follow certain rules. It depends on who they are publishing to.

Manuel Carrasco Benitez: when people publish, they must follow certain rules. It depends on who they are publishing to.

13:36:29 <phila> Hmmm... http://www.w3.org/ns/dcat#Catalog is the code. The labels are "Catalog"@en, "Catálogo"@es, "Κατάλογος"@el,  "カタログ"@ja;

Phil Archer: Hmmm... http://www.w3.org/ns/dcat#Catalog is the code. The labels are "Catalog"@en, "Catálogo"@es, "Κατάλογος"@el, "カタログ"@ja;

13:36:41 <Caroline_> I think deirdrelee is not on the phone

Caroline Burle: I think deirdrelee is not on the phone

13:36:42 <laufer> I think this is an issue thta is now particular to the web

Carlos Laufer: I think this is an issue thta is now particular to the web

13:37:12 <annette_g> phila: does that cover what you want with a code?

Phil Archer: does that cover what you want with a code?

13:37:16 <phila> "Una colección conservada de metadatos de conjuntos de datos"@es;

Phil Archer: "Una colección conservada de metadatos de conjuntos de datos"@es;

13:37:20 <adler1> he means the content that the definition describes

Steven Adler: he means the content that the definition describes

13:37:24 <phila> "A curated collection of metadata about datasets"@en;

Phil Archer: "A curated collection of metadata about datasets"@en;

13:37:41 <phila>  http://www.w3.org/ns/dcat#Catalog

Phil Archer: http://www.w3.org/ns/dcat#Catalog

13:37:45 <annette_g> MTCarrasco: there should be a sentence there

Manuel Carrasco Benitez: there should be a sentence there

13:37:59 <annette_g> ah, yes, excellent

ah, yes, excellent

13:38:24 <annette_g> phila: the label is any number of names that you call the element

Phil Archer: the label is any number of names that you call the element

13:38:38 <MTCarrasco> title=t123

Manuel Carrasco Benitez: title=t123

13:38:41 <annette_g> but the code is the same no matter which language you use

but the code is the same no matter which language you use

13:38:53 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]

Zakim IRC Bot: +[IPcaller]

13:39:02 <deirdrelee_> zakim, ipcaller is me

Deirdre Lee: zakim, ipcaller is me

13:39:02 <Zakim> +deirdrelee_; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +deirdrelee_; got it

13:39:04 <laufer> you have the same uri that define the property... and they have labels...

Carlos Laufer: you have the same uri that define the property... and they have labels...

13:39:06 <deirdrelee_> q?

Deirdre Lee: q?

13:39:19 <annette_g> phila: can also be done in XML

Phil Archer: can also be done in XML

13:39:49 <annette_g> we should say that you should use multilingual labels

we should say that you should use multilingual labels

13:40:19 <phila> q?

Phil Archer: q?

13:41:09 <annette_g> BernadetteLoscio: I agree that we should talk about this in the BP

Bernadette Farias Loscio: I agree that we should talk about this in the BP

13:41:31 <phila> q+

Phil Archer: q+

13:41:38 <phila> ack BernadetteLoscio

Phil Archer: ack BernadetteLoscio

13:41:45 <annette_g> but this is something for the vocabularies BP

but this is something for the vocabularies BP

13:42:09 <phila> q-

Phil Archer: q-

13:42:10 <adler1> yes

Steven Adler: yes

13:42:39 <phila> PROPOSED:  That we include a Best Practice to cover multingualism

PROPOSED: That we include a Best Practice to cover multingualism

13:42:46 <annette_g> BernadetteLoscio: we can propose something for how to incorporate this into the BPs

Bernadette Farias Loscio: we can propose something for how to incorporate this into the BPs

13:42:47 <newton> +1

Newton Calegari: +1

13:42:56 <MTCarrasco> We have to address the multilingual metadata aspects - either inside the doc or new one

Manuel Carrasco Benitez: We have to address the multilingual metadata aspects - either inside the doc or new one

13:42:58 <laufer> 0

Carlos Laufer: 0

13:43:00 <Caroline_> +1 to BernadetteLoscio

Caroline Burle: +1 to BernadetteLoscio

13:43:01 <deirdrelee_> +1

Deirdre Lee: +1

13:43:04 <annette_g> +1

+1

13:43:06 <adler1> +1

Steven Adler: +1

13:43:07 <phila> +1

Phil Archer: +1

13:43:23 <MTCarrasco> +1

Manuel Carrasco Benitez: +1

13:43:32 <laufer> I agree with bernadette that could be a comment...

Carlos Laufer: I agree with bernadette that could be a comment...

13:43:43 <ericstephan> +1

Eric Stephan: +1

13:43:49 <SumitPurohit> +1

Sumit Purohit: +1

13:43:53 <phila> PROPOSED: That we include multingualism in the Best Practice document

PROPOSED: That we include multingualism in the Best Practice document

13:43:59 <BernadetteLoscio> +1

Bernadette Farias Loscio: +1

13:44:01 <annette_g> +1

+1

13:44:02 <phila> +1

Phil Archer: +1

13:44:04 <deirdrelee_> +1

Deirdre Lee: +1

13:44:07 <adler1> +1

Steven Adler: +1

13:44:10 <MTCarrasco> +1

Manuel Carrasco Benitez: +1

13:44:10 <laufer> +1

Carlos Laufer: +1

13:44:13 <phila> RESOLVED: That we include multingualism in the Best Practice document

RESOLVED: That we include multingualism in the Best Practice document

13:44:15 <newton> +1

Newton Calegari: +1

13:44:17 <SumitPurohit> +1

Sumit Purohit: +1

13:44:26 <annette_g> phila:

Phil Archer:

13:44:29 <phila> close issue-142

Phil Archer: close ISSUE-142

13:44:29 <trackbot> Closed issue-142.

Trackbot IRC Bot: Closed ISSUE-142.

13:45:15 <phila> action: bernadette to work with Newton and Carol to include multilingualism in the best practice document as per resolution of Issue-142

ACTION: bernadette to work with Newton and Carol to include multilingualism in the best practice document as per resolution of ISSUE-142

13:45:16 <annette_g> deirdrelee_: seems like we should spend the whole meeting on the BP doc

Deirdre Lee: seems like we should spend the whole meeting on the BP doc

13:45:17 <trackbot> Created ACTION-144 - Work with newton and carol to include multilingualism in the best practice document as per resolution of issue-142 [on Bernadette Farias Loscio - due 2015-03-20].

Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-144 - Work with newton and carol to include multilingualism in the best practice document as per resolution of ISSUE-142 [on Bernadette Farias Loscio - due 2015-03-20].

13:45:28 <newton> http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/76

Newton Calegari: http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/76

13:45:47 <newton> We could talk about the Issue-76

Newton Calegari: We could talk about the ISSUE-76

13:45:52 <phila> issue-76?

Phil Archer: ISSUE-76?

13:45:52 <trackbot> issue-76 -- What advice do we give about publishing metadata so that we identify the intended outcome without making assumptions that maybe false? -- open

Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-76 -- What advice do we give about publishing metadata so that we identify the intended outcome without making assumptions that maybe false? -- open

13:45:52 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/76

Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/76

13:45:53 <deirdrelee_> q?

Deirdre Lee: q?

13:46:07 <annette_g> BernadetteLoscio: next issue was raised during the F2F by Hadley

Bernadette Farias Loscio: next issue was raised during the F2F by Hadley

13:46:17 <annette_g> I don't understand it very well

I don't understand it very well

13:46:41 <annette_g> phila: hard to know without Hadley here

Phil Archer: hard to know without Hadley here

13:47:06 <annette_g> BernadetteLoscio: next one is 136, about organization of BPs for metadata, proposed by Carlos

Bernadette Farias Loscio: next one is 136, about organization of BPs for metadata, proposed by Carlos

13:47:27 <annette_g> about the initial version

about the initial version

13:47:35 <annette_g> The doc has changed since then

The doc has changed since then

13:47:51 <deirdrelee_> http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/136

Deirdre Lee: http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/136

13:48:11 <adler1> agree

Steven Adler: agree

13:48:13 <adler1> too general

Steven Adler: too general

13:48:25 <phila> issue-136?

Phil Archer: ISSUE-136?

13:48:25 <annette_g> BernadetteLoscio: saying that metadata should be provided is too general

Bernadette Farias Loscio: saying that metadata should be provided is too general

13:48:25 <trackbot> issue-136 -- Proposal for Metadata BP -- open

Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-136 -- Proposal for Metadata BP -- open

13:48:25 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/136

Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/136

13:48:42 <laufer> I think BP1 + BP2 say that

Carlos Laufer: I think BP1 + BP2 say that

13:48:50 <annette_g> MTCarrasco: I'm happy with it

Manuel Carrasco Benitez: I'm happy with it

13:49:19 <adler1> should we insist on vocabulary specific metadata?

Steven Adler: should we insist on vocabulary specific metadata?

13:49:39 <annette_g> BernadetteLoscio: how can we provide an implementation for this?

Bernadette Farias Loscio: how can we provide an implementation for this?

13:49:46 <adler1> q+

Steven Adler: q+

13:49:49 <annette_g> how are we going to test this?

how are we going to test this?

13:50:20 <annette_g> there are also other BPs that assume metadata is provided

there are also other BPs that assume metadata is provided

13:50:51 <annette_g> MTCarrasco: they should not be two different metadata sets, just one that is both human and machien readable

Manuel Carrasco Benitez: they should not be two different metadata sets, just one that is both human and machien readable

13:50:59 <annette_g> s/machein/machine

s/machein/machine (warning: replacement failed)

13:51:10 <MTCarrasco> http://dragoman.org/hmformat.html

Manuel Carrasco Benitez: http://dragoman.org/hmformat.html

13:51:26 <annette_g> BernadetteLoscio: we shouldn't have a BP that can't be tested

Bernadette Farias Loscio: we shouldn't have a BP that can't be tested

13:51:53 <annette_g> adler1: I think BernadetteLoscio and MTCarrasco are both correct, but it's a question of how much documentation you provide

Steven Adler: I think BernadetteLoscio and MTCarrasco are both correct, but it's a question of how much documentation you provide

13:52:46 <annette_g> adler1: just did some work trying to solve this stuff for two countries in Africa. He realized you just don't find consistent metadat. It's up to us to provide guidance.

Steven Adler: just did some work trying to solve this stuff for two countries in Africa. He realized you just don't find consistent metadat. It's up to us to provide guidance.

13:52:57 <phila> q+ to talk about the inevitable

Phil Archer: q+ to talk about the inevitable

13:52:59 <ericstephan> +1

Eric Stephan: +1

13:53:09 <MTCarrasco> Implementation guidence +1

Manuel Carrasco Benitez: Implementation guidence +1

13:53:10 <annette_g> adler1: we have to go beyond what we have so far and provide implementation guidance

Steven Adler: we have to go beyond what we have so far and provide implementation guidance

13:53:11 <deirdrelee_> q?

Deirdre Lee: q?

13:53:16 <deirdrelee_> ack adler1

Deirdre Lee: ack adler1

13:53:21 <deirdrelee_> q+

Deirdre Lee: q+

13:53:23 <annette_g> phli

phli

13:53:24 <MTCarrasco> In medicine  http://www.ich.org

Manuel Carrasco Benitez: In medicine http://www.ich.org

13:53:26 <deirdrelee_> ack adler

Deirdre Lee: ack adler

13:53:32 <annette_g> phila: Steve's point is right.

Phil Archer: Steve's point is right.

13:53:49 <laufer> I think the work that phil pointed can guide this idea of describing a dataset...

Carlos Laufer: I think the work that phil pointed can guide this idea of describing a dataset...

13:54:05 <annette_g> people want us to tell them exactly what to do. We're afraid that they'll run away if we tell them something too demanding

people want us to tell them exactly what to do. We're afraid that they'll run away if we tell them something too demanding

13:54:12 <adler1> lol

Steven Adler: lol

13:54:12 <MTCarrasco> q+

Manuel Carrasco Benitez: q+

13:54:19 <deirdrelee_> ack phila

Deirdre Lee: ack phila

13:54:19 <Zakim> phila, you wanted to talk about the inevitable

Zakim IRC Bot: phila, you wanted to talk about the inevitable

13:54:21 <annette_g> phila: you can't just say "grow up"

Phil Archer: you can't just say "grow up"

13:54:43 <phila> Comply or Explain

Phil Archer: Comply or Explain

13:54:47 <annette_g> maybe there's a continuum between being too proscriptive and being too lenient.

maybe there's a continuum between being too proscriptive and being too lenient.

13:54:54 <adler1> Best Pracice: make metadata available, for example here is how one group did it...

Steven Adler: Best Pracice: make metadata available, for example here is how one group did it...

13:54:59 <laufer> we can have examples of doing the things like: http://htmlpreview.github.io/?https://github.com/joejimbo/HCLSDatasetDescriptions/blob/master/Overview.html

Carlos Laufer: we can have examples of doing the things like: http://htmlpreview.github.io/?https://github.com/joejimbo/HCLSDatasetDescriptions/blob/master/Overview.html

13:55:00 <annette_g> comply or explain is often used in government

comply or explain is often used in government

13:55:01 <yaso1> q?

Yaso Córdova: q?

13:55:05 <yaso1> q+

Yaso Córdova: q+

13:55:33 <annette_g> If you can make the case for using something else, you can do that, but it can't just be "I don't like it"

If you can make the case for using something else, you can do that, but it can't just be "I don't like it"

13:55:39 <MTCarrasco> examples +1

Manuel Carrasco Benitez: examples +1

13:55:40 <ericstephan> Best Practices either suggest them what to do for enticements, or "kick the can down the road" (figure it out on your own)

Eric Stephan: Best Practices either suggest them what to do for enticements, or "kick the can down the road" (figure it out on your own)

13:55:43 <annette_g> adler1: we could just provide examples, guidance

Steven Adler: we could just provide examples, guidance

13:55:45 <annette_g> q+

q+

13:56:14 <annette_g> deirdrelee_: Steve just led up to my comment perfectly

Deirdre Lee: Steve just led up to my comment perfectly

13:56:32 <annette_g> people are looking for specifics, the how

people are looking for specifics, the how

13:56:56 <laufer> Maybe we have to define a virtual example that will illustrate our BPs...

Carlos Laufer: Maybe we have to define a virtual example that will illustrate our BPs...

13:57:03 <annette_g> we can start off by saying that they should use metadata, the next BP gets to the next level

we can start off by saying that they should use metadata, the next BP gets to the next level

13:57:30 <SumitPurohit> +1

Sumit Purohit: +1

13:57:31 <annette_g> we can recommend guildelines, like the European Commission does

we can recommend guildelines, like the European Commission does

13:57:54 <BernadetteLoscio> +q

Bernadette Farias Loscio: +q

13:58:08 <annette_g> If people say they already have their own, we can give them the mappings

If people say they already have their own, we can give them the mappings

13:58:19 <annette_g> to help them use the recommended approach

to help them use the recommended approach

13:58:25 <deirdrelee_> q?

Deirdre Lee: q?

13:58:38 <deirdrelee_> ack deirdrelee_

Deirdre Lee: ack deirdrelee_

13:58:42 <phila> zakim, close queue

Phil Archer: zakim, close queue

13:58:43 <Zakim> ok, phila, the speaker queue is closed

Zakim IRC Bot: ok, phila, the speaker queue is closed

13:58:44 <deirdrelee_> ack MTCarrasco

Deirdre Lee: ack MTCarrasco

13:58:49 <annette_g> MTCarrasco: we must give several concrete, detailed examples

Manuel Carrasco Benitez: we must give several concrete, detailed examples

13:58:54 <annette_g> not just abstract ones

not just abstract ones

13:59:10 <annette_g> give example terminology

give example terminology

13:59:37 <annette_g> what is acceptable, what is mandatory

what is acceptable, what is mandatory

13:59:48 <adler1> remember, our goal is to influence and change behavior.  Examples are non-binding but they do change expectations of behavior

Steven Adler: remember, our goal is to influence and change behavior. Examples are non-binding but they do change expectations of behavior

13:59:58 <phila> ack yaso1

Phil Archer: ack yaso1

14:00:25 <annette_g> yaso1: there is a connection between this and another problem, that we are biased toward LD

Yaso Córdova: there is a connection between this and another problem, that we are biased toward LD

14:00:37 <deirdrelee_> q?

Deirdre Lee: q?

14:00:41 <deirdrelee_> ack yaso

Deirdre Lee: ack yaso

14:01:31 <annette_g> yaso1: maybe we need to agree that we really are working based on LD concepts

Yaso Córdova: maybe we need to agree that we really are working based on LD concepts

14:01:57 <deirdrelee_> ack annette_g

Deirdre Lee: ack annette_g

14:02:17 <MTCarrasco> Start levels +1

Manuel Carrasco Benitez: Start levels +1

14:02:26 <deirdrelee_> annette_g: this relates to the question we had with using stars.

Annette Greiner: this relates to the question we had with using stars. [ Scribe Assist by Deirdre Lee ]

14:02:55 <deirdrelee_> ... agree with phila, we do need to get tough, we need to encourage people to use the best practices

Deirdre Lee: ... agree with phila, we do need to get tough, we need to encourage people to use the best practices

14:03:28 <annette_g> BernadetteLoscio: yes, we can have different approaches, not just saying this is the only one

Bernadette Farias Loscio: yes, we can have different approaches, not just saying this is the only one

14:03:52 <annette_g> deirdrelee_: we can do that in the context of all our BPs

Deirdre Lee: we can do that in the context of all our BPs

14:04:08 <annette_g> a lot of these questions are existential for us

a lot of these questions are existential for us

14:04:17 <annette_g> sounds like people agree with that

sounds like people agree with that

14:04:17 <adler1> we have many language options to make recommendations that both prescriptive and descriptive

Steven Adler: we have many language options to make recommendations that both prescriptive and descriptive

14:04:35 <MTCarrasco> Starts like the linked data mug

Manuel Carrasco Benitez: Starts like the linked data mug

14:04:40 <BernadetteLoscio> great!

Bernadette Farias Loscio: great!

14:04:42 <adler1> great call

Steven Adler: great call

14:04:48 <annette_g> deirdrelee_: let's follow up on email

Deirdre Lee: let's follow up on email

14:04:51 <MTCarrasco> Bye

Manuel Carrasco Benitez: Bye

14:04:52 <laufer> bye, nice weekend for all!!!

Carlos Laufer: bye, nice weekend for all!!!

14:04:54 <SumitPurohit> thanks....

Sumit Purohit: thanks....

14:04:55 <annette_g> happy St. Pat's day!

happy St. Pat's day!

14:04:55 <Zakim> -MTCarrasco

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14:04:57 <Zakim> -estephan

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14:04:59 <Zakim> -deirdrelee_

Zakim IRC Bot: -deirdrelee_

14:05:00 <Zakim> -phila

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14:05:00 <Zakim> -adler1

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14:05:00 <newton> Bye!

Newton Calegari: Bye!

14:05:02 <Zakim> -annette_g

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14:05:03 <annette_g> bye!

bye!

14:05:03 <Zakim> -laufer

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14:05:04 <Zakim> -BernadetteLoscio

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14:05:06 <Caroline_> happy St. Pat's day! :)

Caroline Burle: happy St. Pat's day! :)

14:05:09 <AdrianoC> Thanks all! Bye bye!

Adriano Pereira: Thanks all! Bye bye!

14:05:11 <Zakim> -SumitPurohit

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14:05:12 <Zakim> -yaso

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14:05:24 <Zakim> -AdrianoC

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14:05:25 <Zakim> DATA_DWBP()9:00AM has ended

Zakim IRC Bot: DATA_DWBP()9:00AM has ended

14:05:25 <Zakim> Attendees were phila, deirdrelee, MTCarrasco, +1.617.646.aaaa, annette_g, SumitPurohit, newton, Caroline_, +1.516.944.aabb, adler1, BernadetteLoscio, laufer, estephan, AdrianoC,

Zakim IRC Bot: Attendees were phila, deirdrelee, MTCarrasco, +1.617.646.aaaa, annette_g, SumitPurohit, newton, Caroline_, +1.516.944.aabb, adler1, BernadetteLoscio, laufer, estephan, AdrianoC,

14:05:25 <Zakim> ... deirdrelee_

Zakim IRC Bot: ... deirdrelee_



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