12:58:31 <RRSAgent> logging to http://www.w3.org/2014/03/07-dwbp-irc
RRSAgent IRC Bot: logging to http://www.w3.org/2014/03/07-dwbp-irc ←
12:58:33 <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs 351
Trackbot IRC Bot: RRSAgent, make logs 351 ←
12:58:35 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be DWBP
Trackbot IRC Bot: Zakim, this will be DWBP ←
12:58:35 <Zakim> ok, trackbot, I see DATA_DWBP()8:00AM already started
Zakim IRC Bot: ok, trackbot, I see DATA_DWBP()8:00AM already started ←
12:58:36 <trackbot> Meeting: Data on the Web Best Practices Working Group Teleconference
12:58:36 <trackbot> Date: 07 March 2014
12:58:47 <ivan> rrsagent, make logs public
Ivan Herman: rrsagent, make logs public ←
12:59:10 <ivan> zakim, code?
Ivan Herman: zakim, code? ←
12:59:10 <Zakim> the conference code is 3927 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), ivan
Zakim IRC Bot: the conference code is 3927 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), ivan ←
12:59:17 <Zakim> +[IPcaller.a]
Zakim IRC Bot: +[IPcaller.a] ←
12:59:53 <Zakim> +??P3
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P3 ←
13:00:00 <Zakim> +[IPcaller.aa]
Zakim IRC Bot: +[IPcaller.aa] ←
13:00:06 <antoine> zakim, IPcaller.a is me
Antoine Isaac: zakim, IPcaller.a is me ←
13:00:06 <Zakim> +antoine; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +antoine; got it ←
13:00:12 <antoine> zakim, IPcaller.aa is me
Antoine Isaac: zakim, IPcaller.aa is me ←
13:00:12 <Zakim> +antoine; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +antoine; got it ←
13:00:21 <dschwabe> Zakim, IPcaller.aa is me
Daniel Schwabe: Zakim, IPcaller.aa is me ←
13:00:21 <Zakim> sorry, dschwabe, I do not recognize a party named 'IPcaller.aa'
Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, dschwabe, I do not recognize a party named 'IPcaller.aa' ←
13:00:39 <dschwabe> Zakim, IPCaller.aa is me
Daniel Schwabe: Zakim, IPCaller.aa is me ←
13:00:39 <Zakim> sorry, dschwabe, I do not recognize a party named 'IPCaller.aa'
Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, dschwabe, I do not recognize a party named 'IPCaller.aa' ←
13:00:43 <PhilA> zakim, code?
Phil Archer: zakim, code? ←
13:00:43 <Zakim> the conference code is 3927 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), PhilA
Zakim IRC Bot: the conference code is 3927 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), PhilA ←
13:00:50 <antoine> zakim, IPcaller.a is dschwabe
Antoine Isaac: zakim, IPcaller.a is dschwabe ←
13:00:50 <Zakim> sorry, antoine, I do not recognize a party named 'IPcaller.a'
Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, antoine, I do not recognize a party named 'IPcaller.a' ←
13:01:02 <Zakim> +Ivan
Zakim IRC Bot: +Ivan ←
13:01:07 <ivan> zakim, mute me
Ivan Herman: zakim, mute me ←
13:01:07 <Zakim> Ivan should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: Ivan should now be muted ←
13:01:11 <Zakim> +??P8
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P8 ←
13:01:18 <antoine> zakim, who is here?
Antoine Isaac: zakim, who is here? ←
13:01:18 <Zakim> On the phone I see [IPcaller], antoine, ??P3, antoine.a, Ivan (muted), ??P8
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see [IPcaller], antoine, ??P3, antoine.a, Ivan (muted), ??P8 ←
13:01:21 <Zakim> On IRC I see PhilA, martin, deirdrelee, yaso, antoine, Ig_Bittencourt, Zakim, RRSAgent, dschwabe, CarlosIglesias, GiancarloGuizzardi, ivan, Caroline_, trackbot
Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see PhilA, martin, deirdrelee, yaso, antoine, Ig_Bittencourt, Zakim, RRSAgent, dschwabe, CarlosIglesias, GiancarloGuizzardi, ivan, Caroline_, trackbot ←
13:01:27 <Ig_Bittencourt> zakim, ??P8 is me
Ig Bittencourt Santana Pinto: zakim, ??P8 is me ←
13:01:27 <Zakim> +Ig_Bittencourt; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +Ig_Bittencourt; got it ←
13:01:37 <Zakim> +Caroline
Zakim IRC Bot: +Caroline ←
13:01:37 <antoine> zakim, antoine is dschwabe
Antoine Isaac: zakim, antoine is dschwabe ←
13:01:37 <Zakim> +dschwabe; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +dschwabe; got it ←
13:01:39 <yaso> Zakim, Caroline_ has yaso
Yaso Córdova: Zakim, Caroline_ has yaso ←
13:01:39 <Zakim> sorry, yaso, I do not recognize a party named 'Caroline_'
Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, yaso, I do not recognize a party named 'Caroline_' ←
13:01:44 <deirdrelee> zakim, [IPcaller] is me
Deirdre Lee: zakim, [IPcaller] is me ←
13:01:44 <Zakim> +deirdrelee; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +deirdrelee; got it ←
13:01:45 <dschwabe> Zakim, IPCaller.a is me
Daniel Schwabe: Zakim, IPCaller.a is me ←
13:01:45 <Zakim> sorry, dschwabe, I do not recognize a party named 'IPCaller.a'
Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, dschwabe, I do not recognize a party named 'IPCaller.a' ←
13:01:48 <antoine> zakim, antoine.a is me
Antoine Isaac: zakim, antoine.a is me ←
13:01:48 <Zakim> +antoine; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +antoine; got it ←
13:01:56 <yaso> Zakim, Caroline_ is Caroline
Yaso Córdova: Zakim, Caroline_ is Caroline ←
13:01:56 <Zakim> sorry, yaso, I do not recognize a party named 'Caroline_'
Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, yaso, I do not recognize a party named 'Caroline_' ←
13:02:07 <deirdrelee> zakim, who is here?
Deirdre Lee: zakim, who is here? ←
13:02:07 <Zakim> On the phone I see deirdrelee, dschwabe, ??P3, antoine, Ivan (muted), Ig_Bittencourt, Caroline
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see deirdrelee, dschwabe, ??P3, antoine, Ivan (muted), Ig_Bittencourt, Caroline ←
13:02:10 <Zakim> On IRC I see Makx, nathalia, PhilA, martin, deirdrelee, yaso, antoine, Ig_Bittencourt, Zakim, RRSAgent, dschwabe, CarlosIglesias, GiancarloGuizzardi, ivan, Caroline_, trackbot
Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see Makx, nathalia, PhilA, martin, deirdrelee, yaso, antoine, Ig_Bittencourt, Zakim, RRSAgent, dschwabe, CarlosIglesias, GiancarloGuizzardi, ivan, Caroline_, trackbot ←
13:02:28 <yaso> Zakim, yaso has Nathalia, Vanessa
Yaso Córdova: Zakim, yaso has Nathalia, Vanessa ←
13:02:29 <Zakim> sorry, yaso, I do not recognize a party named 'yaso'
Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, yaso, I do not recognize a party named 'yaso' ←
13:02:51 <yaso> Zakim, Yaso has nathalia
Yaso Córdova: Zakim, Yaso has nathalia ←
13:02:51 <Zakim> sorry, yaso, I do not recognize a party named 'Yaso'
Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, yaso, I do not recognize a party named 'Yaso' ←
13:02:53 <Zakim> +??P11
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P11 ←
13:03:04 <martin> zakim, ??P11 is me
Martín Álvarez: zakim, ??P11 is me ←
13:03:06 <Zakim> +martin; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +martin; got it ←
13:03:09 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
Zakim IRC Bot: +[IPcaller] ←
13:03:12 <Zakim> +HadleyBeeman
Zakim IRC Bot: +HadleyBeeman ←
13:03:14 <PhilA> zakim, ipcaller is me
Phil Archer: zakim, ipcaller is me ←
13:03:14 <Zakim> +PhilA; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +PhilA; got it ←
13:03:20 <yaso> Zakim, Yaso has Vanessa
Yaso Córdova: Zakim, Yaso has Vanessa ←
13:03:20 <Zakim> sorry, yaso, I do not recognize a party named 'Yaso'
Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, yaso, I do not recognize a party named 'Yaso' ←
13:03:28 <PhilA> zakim, who is here?
Phil Archer: zakim, who is here? ←
13:03:28 <Zakim> On the phone I see deirdrelee, dschwabe, ??P3, antoine, Ivan (muted), Ig_Bittencourt, Caroline, martin, PhilA, HadleyBeeman
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see deirdrelee, dschwabe, ??P3, antoine, Ivan (muted), Ig_Bittencourt, Caroline, martin, PhilA, HadleyBeeman ←
13:03:31 <Zakim> On IRC I see Caroline_, cgueret, HadleyBeeman1, vanessa_tonini, Makx, nathalia, PhilA, martin, deirdrelee, yaso, antoine, Ig_Bittencourt, Zakim, RRSAgent, dschwabe, CarlosIglesias,
Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see Caroline_, cgueret, HadleyBeeman1, vanessa_tonini, Makx, nathalia, PhilA, martin, deirdrelee, yaso, antoine, Ig_Bittencourt, Zakim, RRSAgent, dschwabe, CarlosIglesias, ←
13:03:31 <Zakim> ... GiancarloGuizzardi, ivan, trackbot
Zakim IRC Bot: ... GiancarloGuizzardi, ivan, trackbot ←
13:03:45 <Zakim> +??P15
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P15 ←
13:03:45 <Caroline_> Zakim, Caroline has Yaso, Vanessa, Nathalia, Vagner
Caroline Burle: Zakim, Caroline has Yaso, Vanessa, Nathalia, Vagner ←
13:03:45 <Zakim> +Yaso, Vanessa, Nathalia, Vagner; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +Yaso, Vanessa, Nathalia, Vagner; got it ←
13:03:51 <cgueret> zakim, ??P15 is me
Christophe Gueret: zakim, ??P15 is me ←
13:03:51 <Zakim> +cgueret; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +cgueret; got it ←
13:03:57 <cgueret> Hi there!
Christophe Gueret: Hi there! ←
13:04:00 <Zakim> +??P14
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P14 ←
13:04:08 <cgueret> zakim, mute me
Christophe Gueret: zakim, mute me ←
13:04:08 <Zakim> cgueret should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: cgueret should now be muted ←
13:04:09 <HadleyBeeman1> Hi cgueret!
Hadley Beeman: Hi cgueret! ←
13:04:11 <yaso> Zakim, Yaso has Vanessa_tonini
Yaso Córdova: Zakim, Yaso has Vanessa_tonini ←
13:04:11 <Zakim> sorry, yaso, I do not recognize a party named 'Yaso'
Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, yaso, I do not recognize a party named 'Yaso' ←
13:04:25 <PhilA> PhilA has changed the topic to: Agenda https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Meetings:Telecon20140307
Phil Archer: PhilA has changed the topic to: Agenda https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Meetings:Telecon20140307 ←
13:04:27 <Ig_Bittencourt> Zakim, mute me
Ig Bittencourt Santana Pinto: Zakim, mute me ←
13:04:27 <Zakim> Ig_Bittencourt should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: Ig_Bittencourt should now be muted ←
13:04:35 <PhilA> meeting: DWBP Weekly telecon
13:04:37 <martin> zakim, mute me
Martín Álvarez: zakim, mute me ←
13:04:37 <Zakim> martin should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: martin should now be muted ←
13:04:38 <Caroline_> Zakim, Caroline has Newton
Caroline Burle: Zakim, Caroline has Newton ←
13:04:38 <Zakim> +Newton; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +Newton; got it ←
13:04:39 <PhilA> chair: Yaso
13:05:24 <Caroline_> Scribe: Caroline
(Scribe set to Caroline Burle)
13:05:28 <yaso> Caroline is scribe today
Yaso Córdova: Caroline is scribe today ←
13:05:38 <cgueret> thx Caroline
Christophe Gueret: thx Caroline ←
13:05:46 <Caroline_> No problem! :)
No problem! :) ←
13:05:49 <Ig_Bittencourt> Yes
Ig Bittencourt Santana Pinto: Yes ←
13:05:52 <cgueret> +1
Christophe Gueret: +1 ←
13:05:54 <Zakim> +??P16
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P16 ←
13:06:07 <CarlosIglesias> zakim, ??p16 is me
Carlos Iglesias: zakim, ??p16 is me ←
13:06:07 <Zakim> +CarlosIglesias; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +CarlosIglesias; got it ←
13:06:12 <PhilA> Agenda:
13:06:12 <PhilA> Ig_Bittencourt Zakim, mute me
Phil Archer: Ig_Bittencourt Zakim, mute me ←
13:06:33 <PhilA> PROPOSAL: Accept last week's minutes http://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/dwbp/2014-02-28
PROPOSED: Accept last week's minutes http://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/dwbp/2014-02-28 ←
13:06:34 <dschwabe> Zakim, mute me
Daniel Schwabe: Zakim, mute me ←
13:06:34 <Zakim> dschwabe should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: dschwabe should now be muted ←
13:06:37 <cgueret> +1
Christophe Gueret: +1 ←
13:06:38 <nathalia> +1
Nathalia Sautchuk Patrício: +1 ←
13:06:39 <dschwabe> +1
Daniel Schwabe: +1 ←
13:06:41 <Ig_Bittencourt> +1
Ig Bittencourt Santana Pinto: +1 ←
13:06:41 <CarlosIglesias> +1
Carlos Iglesias: +1 ←
13:06:45 <deirdrelee> +1
Deirdre Lee: +1 ←
13:06:48 <Caroline_> APPROVE last minutes call http://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/dwbp/2014-02-28
APPROVE last minutes call http://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/dwbp/2014-02-28 ←
13:06:49 <yaso> +1
Yaso Córdova: +1 ←
13:06:50 <BernadetteLoscio> +1
Bernadette Farias Loscio: +1 ←
13:07:03 <Caroline_> +1
+1 ←
13:07:05 <newton> +1
Newton Calegari: +1 ←
13:07:06 <PhilA> RESOLVED: last minutes call http://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/dwbp/2014-02-28
RESOLVED: last minutes call http://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/dwbp/2014-02-28 ←
13:07:19 <yaso> https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/London_2014#Agenda
Yaso Córdova: https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/London_2014#Agenda ←
13:07:22 <PhilA> Topic: London Agenda https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/London_2014#Agenda
13:07:26 <gatemezi> +
13:07:31 <Caroline_> Yaso: we should discuss London's Agenda
Yaso Córdova: we should discuss London's Agenda ←
13:07:34 <gatemezi> s/+ /+
Ghislain Atemezing: s/+ /+ (warning: replacement failed) ←
13:07:55 <Caroline_> ... we have a proposition for 2 working days for the face to face meeting
... we have a proposition for 2 working days for the face to face meeting ←
13:07:56 <HadleyBeeman1> q+
Hadley Beeman: q+ ←
13:07:58 <Zakim> + +1.516.944.aaaa
Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.516.944.aaaa ←
13:08:27 <PhilA> zakim, aaaa is adler1
Phil Archer: zakim, aaaa is adler1 ←
13:08:28 <Zakim> +adler1; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +adler1; got it ←
13:08:28 <yaso> q?
Yaso Córdova: q? ←
13:08:39 <yaso> ack HadleyBeeman
Yaso Córdova: ack HadleyBeeman ←
13:08:48 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
Zakim IRC Bot: +[IPcaller] ←
13:08:54 <PhilA> HadleyBeeman1: Spoke to Paul Maltby who is director of transparency at the UK Cabinet Office
Hadley Beeman: Spoke to Paul Maltby who is director of transparency at the UK Cabinet Office [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ] ←
13:08:56 <yaso> Zakim, who's making noise?
Yaso Córdova: Zakim, who's making noise? ←
13:08:58 <antoine> q+
Antoine Isaac: q+ ←
13:08:59 <PhilA> zakim, who is noisy?
Phil Archer: zakim, who is noisy? ←
13:09:06 <Zakim> yaso, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Caroline (10%), HadleyBeeman (14%), ??P14 (90%)
Zakim IRC Bot: yaso, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Caroline (10%), HadleyBeeman (14%), ??P14 (90%) ←
13:09:06 <BernadetteLoscio> zakim, ipcaller is BernadetteLoscio
Bernadette Farias Loscio: zakim, ipcaller is BernadetteLoscio ←
13:09:09 <Zakim> +BernadetteLoscio; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +BernadetteLoscio; got it ←
13:09:14 <Caroline_> Zakim, mute P14
Zakim, mute P14 ←
13:09:14 <Zakim> sorry, Caroline_, I do not know which phone connection belongs to P14
Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, Caroline_, I do not know which phone connection belongs to P14 ←
13:09:16 <PhilA> zakim, mute ??P14
Phil Archer: zakim, mute ??P14 ←
13:09:16 <Zakim> ??P14 should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: ??P14 should now be muted ←
13:09:18 <Zakim> PhilA, listening for 11 seconds I heard sound from the following: ??P14 (53%)
Zakim IRC Bot: PhilA, listening for 11 seconds I heard sound from the following: ??P14 (53%) ←
13:09:46 <Caroline_> Hadley: for the first speaking on the face to face probably will be Paul Maltby
Hadley Beeman: for the first speaking on the face to face probably will be Paul Maltby ←
13:09:50 <yaso> q?
Yaso Córdova: q? ←
13:09:58 <Caroline_> ... we are waiting for his answer about the time schedule
... we are waiting for his answer about the time schedule ←
13:10:23 <Caroline_> Antoine: I also asked for the street maps person to come to the face to face meeting
Antoine Isaac: I also asked for the street maps person to come to the face to face meeting ←
13:10:47 <Caroline_> Steve: the street map guy would love to come and speak to us
Steven Adler: the street map guy would love to come and speak to us ←
13:11:06 <Caroline_> Phil: if money becomes an issue there are other options
Phil Archer: if money becomes an issue there are other options ←
13:11:22 <yaso> q?
Yaso Córdova: q? ←
13:11:22 <Caroline_> Steve: I just want to found out if there was not restriction about funding him
Steven Adler: I just want to found out if there was not restriction about funding him ←
13:11:36 <Caroline_> q+
q+ ←
13:12:00 <yaso> Ack antoine
Yaso Córdova: Ack antoine ←
13:12:02 <PhilA> q+ To clarify position on T&S funding generally
Phil Archer: q+ To clarify position on T&S funding generally ←
13:12:14 <Caroline_> Steve: Hadley could check if Paul Maltby will speake in the morning
Steven Adler: Hadley could check if Paul Maltby will speake in the morning ←
13:12:20 <yaso> Q?
Yaso Córdova: Q? ←
13:12:26 <yaso> ack Caroline_
Yaso Córdova: ack Caroline_ ←
13:12:45 <yaso> Caroline: is it ok, that we will have 2 speakers?
Caroline Burle: is it ok, that we will have 2 speakers? [ Scribe Assist by Yaso Córdova ] ←
13:12:56 <Caroline_> Antoine: I will be not able to stay on the afternoon on the second day
Antoine Isaac: I will be not able to stay on the afternoon on the second day ←
13:12:56 <yaso> ack Phil
Yaso Córdova: ack Phil ←
13:12:56 <Zakim> PhilA, you wanted to clarify position on T&S funding generally
Zakim IRC Bot: PhilA, you wanted to clarify position on T&S funding generally ←
13:13:03 <yaso> q?
Yaso Córdova: q? ←
13:13:17 <antoine> q+
Antoine Isaac: q+ ←
13:13:48 <yaso> Ack antoine
Yaso Córdova: Ack antoine ←
13:13:59 <Caroline_> Phil: I just want to clarify that is no W3C founding to the face to face meeting
Phil Archer: I just want to clarify that is no W3C founding to the face to face meeting ←
13:14:24 <Caroline_> Antoine: I am wondering for what the intervations would be used for the documents
Antoine Isaac: I am wondering for what the intervations would be used for the documents ←
13:14:24 <deirdrelee> q+
Deirdre Lee: q+ ←
13:14:31 <Ig_Bittencourt> q+
Ig Bittencourt Santana Pinto: q+ ←
13:14:43 <Caroline_> ... I think we need more gerenal discussion and aligning different goals for the documents
... I think we need more gerenal discussion and aligning different goals for the documents ←
13:15:11 <yaso> ack deirdreelee
Yaso Córdova: ack deirdreelee ←
13:15:26 <yaso> q?
Yaso Córdova: q? ←
13:15:31 <PhilA> deirdrelee?
Phil Archer: deirdrelee? ←
13:15:34 <hadleybeeman> ack deirdrelee
Hadley Beeman: ack deirdrelee ←
13:15:41 <PhilA> zakim, who is on the phone?
Phil Archer: zakim, who is on the phone? ←
13:15:41 <Zakim> On the phone I see deirdrelee, dschwabe (muted), ??P3, antoine, Ivan (muted), Ig_Bittencourt (muted), Caroline, martin (muted), PhilA, HadleyBeeman, cgueret (muted), ??P14 (muted),
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see deirdrelee, dschwabe (muted), ??P3, antoine, Ivan (muted), Ig_Bittencourt (muted), Caroline, martin (muted), PhilA, HadleyBeeman, cgueret (muted), ??P14 (muted), ←
13:15:43 <Ig_Bittencourt> zakim, unmute me
Ig Bittencourt Santana Pinto: zakim, unmute me ←
13:15:44 <Zakim> ... CarlosIglesias, adler1, BernadetteLoscio
Zakim IRC Bot: ... CarlosIglesias, adler1, BernadetteLoscio ←
13:15:44 <Zakim> Caroline has Newton
Zakim IRC Bot: Caroline has Newton ←
13:15:44 <Zakim> Ig_Bittencourt should no longer be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: Ig_Bittencourt should no longer be muted ←
13:15:47 <Caroline_> Yaso: we can start discussing the next topics on the face to face agenda regarding Antoine propositions
Yaso Córdova: we can start discussing the next topics on the face to face agenda regarding Antoine propositions ←
13:15:51 <yaso> ack Ig_bittencourt
Yaso Córdova: ack Ig_bittencourt ←
13:15:58 <Vagner_Br> q?
Vagner Diniz: q? ←
13:15:58 <Ig_Bittencourt> http://www.w3.org/2013/05/odbp-charter
Ig Bittencourt Santana Pinto: http://www.w3.org/2013/05/odbp-charter ←
13:16:08 <Caroline_> Ig_Bittencourt: my question is about the charter http://www.w3.org/2013/05/odbp-charter
Ig Bittencourt Santana Pinto: my question is about the charter http://www.w3.org/2013/05/odbp-charter ←
13:16:08 <yaso> q?
Yaso Córdova: q? ←
13:16:13 <deirdrelee> zakim, unmute dschwabe
Deirdre Lee: zakim, unmute dschwabe ←
13:16:13 <Zakim> dschwabe should no longer be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: dschwabe should no longer be muted ←
13:16:20 <Caroline_> ... the vocabularies deliverable are for April
... the vocabularies deliverable are for April ←
13:16:43 <PhilA> q+ to talk about timescales
Phil Archer: q+ to talk about timescales ←
13:16:44 <yaso> q?
Yaso Córdova: q? ←
13:16:46 <Caroline_> ... just to answer Antoine this discussion would take place on the 2nd day of the face to face meeting
... just to answer Antoine this discussion would take place on the 2nd day of the face to face meeting ←
13:16:57 <Caroline_> ... maybe it is too rearly?
... maybe it is too rearly? ←
13:17:11 <Caroline_> Steve: I think this 2 activities can be done at the same time
Steven Adler: I think this 2 activities can be done at the same time ←
13:17:35 <yaso> Ack deirdrelee
Yaso Córdova: Ack deirdrelee ←
13:17:37 <Caroline_> Ig_Bittencourt: in the agenda it says we should wirte also these 2 documents on vocabulary
Ig Bittencourt Santana Pinto: in the agenda it says we should wirte also these 2 documents on vocabulary ←
13:17:45 <BernadetteLoscio> mute me
Bernadette Farias Loscio: mute me ←
13:17:54 <Caroline_> deirdrelee: the use cases document should be a note
Deirdre Lee: the use cases document should be a note ←
13:18:15 <antoine> q+
Antoine Isaac: q+ ←
13:18:19 <Caroline_> ... hopefully we will have documents ready to agree during the face to face meeting
... hopefully we will have documents ready to agree during the face to face meeting ←
13:18:38 <Caroline_> Steve: I think there is 2 different leves of maturity in this group
Steven Adler: I think there is 2 different leves of maturity in this group ←
13:19:07 <hadleybeeman> q+
Hadley Beeman: q+ ←
13:19:08 <yaso> Ack PhilA
Yaso Córdova: Ack PhilA ←
13:19:08 <Zakim> PhilA, you wanted to talk about timescales
Zakim IRC Bot: PhilA, you wanted to talk about timescales ←
13:19:25 <Caroline_> ... some people have an idea what to belong in the document and other people want to discuss what wouls be in the document
... some people have an idea what to belong in the document and other people want to discuss what wouls be in the document ←
13:19:36 <dschwabe> Zakim, ??P3 is me
Daniel Schwabe: Zakim, ??P3 is me ←
13:19:36 <Zakim> +dschwabe; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +dschwabe; got it ←
13:19:40 <dschwabe> q-
Daniel Schwabe: q- ←
13:19:45 <Caroline_> PhilA: it is very imporant that the group has a draft and seems to be producing stuff
Phil Archer: it is very imporant that the group has a draft and seems to be producing stuff ←
13:19:47 <Zakim> -??P14
Zakim IRC Bot: -??P14 ←
13:19:51 <antoine> q-
Antoine Isaac: q- ←
13:20:01 <Caroline_> ... the WG should publish something at least every three months
... the WG should publish something at least every three months ←
13:20:12 <Ig_Bittencourt> Zakim, mute me
Ig Bittencourt Santana Pinto: Zakim, mute me ←
13:20:12 <Zakim> Ig_Bittencourt should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: Ig_Bittencourt should now be muted ←
13:20:20 <Zakim> +??P14
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P14 ←
13:20:21 <Caroline_> ... it shows that is publishes documents, which don't have to be finished
... it shows that is publishes documents, which don't have to be finished ←
13:20:49 <Makx> zakim, p14 is me
Makx Dekkers: zakim, p14 is me ←
13:20:49 <Zakim> sorry, Makx, I do not recognize a party named 'p14'
Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, Makx, I do not recognize a party named 'p14' ←
13:20:53 <Caroline_> ... at the end of the face to face meeting we should have document that will provide at least a draft, which could be changed latter
... at the end of the face to face meeting we should have document that will provide at least a draft, which could be changed latter ←
13:21:01 <hadleybeeman> zakim, ??P14 is makx
Hadley Beeman: zakim, ??P14 is makx ←
13:21:01 <Zakim> +makx; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +makx; got it ←
13:21:10 <Caroline_> ... it should help to clarify where the group is going
... it should help to clarify where the group is going ←
13:21:29 <hadleybeeman> q?
Hadley Beeman: q? ←
13:21:31 <yaso> Ack hadleybeeman
Yaso Córdova: Ack hadleybeeman ←
13:21:39 <Caroline_> ... we do need to get the use cases, and then we could make a start on the vocabularies as well
... we do need to get the use cases, and then we could make a start on the vocabularies as well ←
13:22:01 <dschwabe> q-
Daniel Schwabe: q- ←
13:22:07 <Caroline_> Hadley: I hear Steve points that we may have different things going on, but I think it is a good thing
Hadley Beeman: I hear Steve points that we may have different things going on, but I think it is a good thing ←
13:22:15 <Caroline_> ... we could make some divisions
... we could make some divisions ←
13:22:15 <dschwabe> Zaquim, q-
Daniel Schwabe: Zaquim, q- ←
13:22:26 <dschwabe> Zakim, q-
Daniel Schwabe: Zakim, q- ←
13:22:26 <Zakim> I see ??P3 on the speaker queue
Zakim IRC Bot: I see ??P3 on the speaker queue ←
13:22:33 <Makx> zakim, mute me
Makx Dekkers: zakim, mute me ←
13:22:33 <Zakim> makx should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: makx should now be muted ←
13:22:44 <dschwabe> Zakim, mute me
Daniel Schwabe: Zakim, mute me ←
13:22:44 <Zakim> dschwabe should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: dschwabe should now be muted ←
13:22:45 <Caroline_> ... I think we may end up adding a few categories hegarding best practices
... I think we may end up adding a few categories hegarding best practices ←
13:22:51 <yaso> Zakim, Who is ??P3
Yaso Córdova: Zakim, Who is ??P3 ←
13:22:51 <Zakim> sorry, yaso, I do not recognize a party named 'Who'
Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, yaso, I do not recognize a party named 'Who' ←
13:22:54 <PhilA> q?
Phil Archer: q? ←
13:23:02 <yaso> Zakim, who is ??P3
Yaso Córdova: Zakim, who is ??P3 ←
13:23:02 <Zakim> I don't understand 'who is ??P3', yaso
Zakim IRC Bot: I don't understand 'who is ??P3', yaso ←
13:23:09 <yaso> q?
Yaso Córdova: q? ←
13:23:12 <Caroline_> ... I think it would be great to encourage anybody who wants to have these conversations or who wants to start writting
... I think it would be great to encourage anybody who wants to have these conversations or who wants to start writting ←
13:23:13 <yaso> ??P#
Yaso Córdova: ??P# ←
13:23:18 <adler1> why couldn't we have discussions organized by deliverable sections with supporting use cases and scribes who record salient information into the documents?
Steven Adler: why couldn't we have discussions organized by deliverable sections with supporting use cases and scribes who record salient information into the documents? ←
13:23:22 <yaso> ack ??P3
Yaso Córdova: ack ??P3 ←
13:23:32 <hadleybeeman> zakim, who is here?
Hadley Beeman: zakim, who is here? ←
13:23:32 <Zakim> On the phone I see deirdrelee, dschwabe (muted), dschwabe.a, antoine, Ivan (muted), Ig_Bittencourt (muted), Caroline, martin (muted), PhilA, HadleyBeeman, cgueret (muted),
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see deirdrelee, dschwabe (muted), dschwabe.a, antoine, Ivan (muted), Ig_Bittencourt (muted), Caroline, martin (muted), PhilA, HadleyBeeman, cgueret (muted), ←
13:23:36 <Zakim> ... CarlosIglesias, adler1, BernadetteLoscio, makx (muted)
Zakim IRC Bot: ... CarlosIglesias, adler1, BernadetteLoscio, makx (muted) ←
13:23:36 <Zakim> Caroline has Newton
Zakim IRC Bot: Caroline has Newton ←
13:23:36 <Zakim> On IRC I see gsuarez, adler1, newton, gatemezi, BernadetteLoscio, Caroline_, cgueret, hadleybeeman, vanessa_tonini, Makx, nathalia, PhilA, martin, deirdrelee, yaso, antoine,
Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see gsuarez, adler1, newton, gatemezi, BernadetteLoscio, Caroline_, cgueret, hadleybeeman, vanessa_tonini, Makx, nathalia, PhilA, martin, deirdrelee, yaso, antoine, ←
13:23:36 <Zakim> ... Ig_Bittencourt, Zakim, RRSAgent, dschwabe, CarlosIglesias, GiancarloGuizzardi, ivan, trackbot
Zakim IRC Bot: ... Ig_Bittencourt, Zakim, RRSAgent, dschwabe, CarlosIglesias, GiancarloGuizzardi, ivan, trackbot ←
13:23:43 <yaso> q?
Yaso Córdova: q? ←
13:23:51 <Caroline_> Steve: I think we can do all the things we discussed rigth now
Steven Adler: I think we can do all the things we discussed rigth now ←
13:24:04 <deirdrelee> PhilA: we should aim to have first public working draft of Use Case document after F2F
Phil Archer: we should aim to have first public working draft of Use Case document after F2F [ Scribe Assist by Deirdre Lee ] ←
13:24:09 <Caroline_> ... we can have the discussion about use cases and at the same time we can put them in the documents
... we can have the discussion about use cases and at the same time we can put them in the documents ←
13:24:24 <Caroline_> ... the document should be based on the use cases almost as foot notes
... the document should be based on the use cases almost as foot notes ←
13:24:25 <PhilA> +1 to BPs based on use cases. That's important
Phil Archer: +1 to BPs based on use cases. That's important ←
13:24:43 <antoine> q+
Antoine Isaac: q+ ←
13:25:04 <Caroline_> ... we are talking and someone is scribing, we are negotiating who is talking and who is scribing, we could do the same at the face to face meeting
... we are talking and someone is scribing, we are negotiating who is talking and who is scribing, we could do the same at the face to face meeting ←
13:25:24 <adler1> +1
Steven Adler: +1 ←
13:25:31 <yaso> ack antoine
Yaso Córdova: ack antoine ←
13:25:34 <Caroline_> Yaso: it seems to me that we are slowing the document with the use cases. We should use them to have something to work on
Yaso Córdova: it seems to me that we are slowing the document with the use cases. We should use them to have something to work on ←
13:25:49 <dschwabe> Zakim, dschwabe.a is me
Daniel Schwabe: Zakim, dschwabe.a is me ←
13:25:49 <Zakim> +dschwabe; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +dschwabe; got it ←
13:26:04 <yaso> q?
Yaso Córdova: q? ←
13:26:07 <Caroline_> Antoine: we are all meeting today to discuss about the document. I think we know we all agree
Antoine Isaac: we are all meeting today to discuss about the meeting not the minutes of it. I think we now we all agree ←
13:26:08 <dschwabe> Zakim, mute me
Daniel Schwabe: Zakim, mute me ←
13:26:08 <Zakim> dschwabe was already muted, dschwabe
Zakim IRC Bot: dschwabe was already muted, dschwabe ←
13:26:17 <yaso> https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/London_2014#Agenda
Yaso Córdova: https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/London_2014#Agenda ←
13:26:26 <PhilA> q+
Phil Archer: q+ ←
13:26:29 <Caroline_> Yaso: still not a consensus about the proposal agenda
Yaso Córdova: still not a consensus about the proposal agenda ←
13:26:39 <deirdrelee> Zakim, dschwabe is me
Deirdre Lee: Zakim, dschwabe is me ←
13:26:39 <Zakim> +deirdrelee; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +deirdrelee; got it ←
13:26:47 <yaso> q?
Yaso Córdova: q? ←
13:26:50 <PhilA> ack me
Phil Archer: ack me ←
13:26:51 <Caroline_> ... the question Caroline put earlier: do we want 2 keynote speakers or more of a working agenda?
... the question Caroline put earlier: do we want 2 keynote speakers or more of a working agenda? ←
13:26:55 <yaso> Ack PhilA
Yaso Córdova: Ack PhilA ←
13:27:11 <antoine> s/discuss about the document/discuss about the meeting not the minutes of it/
13:27:11 <dschwabe> Zakim, dschwabe.a is me
Daniel Schwabe: Zakim, dschwabe.a is me ←
13:27:11 <Zakim> +dschwabe; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +dschwabe; got it ←
13:27:17 <yaso> q?
Yaso Córdova: q? ←
13:27:22 <antoine> s/we know/we now
13:27:27 <Caroline_> PhilA: Yaso, you said we don't agree with teh agenda, but I think there is more agreement than we think
Phil Archer: Yaso, you said we don't agree with teh agenda, but I think there is more agreement than we think ←
13:27:36 <adler1> q+
Steven Adler: q+ ←
13:27:36 <dschwabe> s /founding/funding
Daniel Schwabe: s /finding/funding ←
13:27:44 <Caroline_> Yaso: I just want to finish this discussion to go further to the next topic
Yaso Córdova: I just want to finish this discussion to go further to the next topic ←
13:27:48 <Vagner_Br> q+
Vagner Diniz: q+ ←
13:28:04 <Caroline_> PROPOSAL: do we with the agenda that is in the week?
PROPOSED: do we with the agenda that is in the wiki? ←
13:28:17 <yaso> Ack adler
Yaso Córdova: Ack adler ←
13:28:36 <Caroline_> Steve: maybe we could change the agenda appearing to be more inclusive of what we just discussed
Steven Adler: maybe we could change the agenda appearing to be more inclusive of what we just discussed ←
13:28:45 <gatemezi> No sure to understand the proposal..
Ghislain Atemezing: No sure to understand the proposal.. ←
13:28:48 <deirdrelee> q+
Deirdre Lee: q+ ←
13:28:53 <Caroline_> ... we want to use the use cases to make the documents?
... we want to use the use cases to make the documents? ←
13:28:58 <antoine> Steve++
Antoine Isaac: Steve++ ←
13:29:08 <Caroline_> ... we can work on the documents and the use cases at the same time
... we can work on the documents and the use cases at the same time ←
13:29:08 <yaso> Ack Vagner_Br
Yaso Córdova: Ack Vagner_Br ←
13:29:18 <Vagner_Br> s/found/find
13:29:22 <deirdrelee> Zakim, unmute me
Deirdre Lee: Zakim, unmute me ←
13:29:23 <Zakim> deirdrelee was not muted, deirdrelee
Zakim IRC Bot: deirdrelee was not muted, deirdrelee ←
13:29:31 <Caroline_> Vagner: I am no sure that we are clear about what we want with this face to face meeting
Vagner Diniz: I am no sure that we are clear about what we want with this face to face meeting ←
13:29:52 <newton> s/week/wiki
13:29:56 <Caroline_> ... we tried to propose an agenda with very specific deliverables at the end of this face to face meeting in London
... we tried to propose an agenda with very specific deliverables at the end of this face to face meeting in London ←
13:30:10 <Caroline_> ... I am not sure we agree with the deliverables on this face to face meeting
... I am nott sure we agree with the deliverables on this face to face meeting ←
13:30:24 <Caroline_> ... we must agree with what we want at the end of the meeting
... we must agree with what we want at the end of the meeting ←
13:30:44 <Caroline_> ... the agenda proposed on the Wiki it has 3 deliverables for the face to face meeting
... the agenda proposed on the Wiki it has 3 deliverables for the face to face meeting ←
13:31:02 <gatemezi> s/no/not
13:31:45 <yaso> +1 to Vagner_Br, we still don't have consensus on what we want from the F2F meeting
Yaso Córdova: +1 to Vagner_Br, we still don't have consensus on what we want from the F2F meeting ←
13:31:51 <Caroline_> ... we have to work more in the documents to be able to deliverable this items
... we have to work more in the documents to be able to deliverable this items ←
13:32:13 <Zakim> -HadleyBeeman
Zakim IRC Bot: -HadleyBeeman ←
13:32:18 <Caroline_> ... we should have the document of use cases more advanced to be notes
... we should have the document of use cases more advanced to be notes ←
13:32:24 <yaso> q?
Yaso Córdova: q? ←
13:32:40 <Caroline_> ... if each of us assume tasks to wirte the document before London it would be easier
... if each of us assume tasks to wirte the document before London it would be easier ←
13:32:42 <Zakim> +HadleyBeeman
Zakim IRC Bot: +HadleyBeeman ←
13:32:57 <adler1> IMHO, the goal of the meeting is to get to know each other and learn how to become efficient working together
Steven Adler: IMHO, the goal of the meeting is to get to know each other and learn how to become efficient working together ←
13:33:09 <deirdrelee> zamim, unmute dschwabe
Deirdre Lee: zamim, unmute dschwabe ←
13:33:10 <PhilA> zakim, unmute dschwabe
Phil Archer: zakim, unmute dschwabe ←
13:33:10 <Zakim> dschwabe was not muted, PhilA
Zakim IRC Bot: dschwabe was not muted, PhilA ←
13:33:13 <yaso> q?
Yaso Córdova: q? ←
13:33:33 <deirdrelee> zakim, unmute deirdrelee
Deirdre Lee: zakim, unmute deirdrelee ←
13:33:33 <Zakim> deirdrelee was not muted, deirdrelee
Zakim IRC Bot: deirdrelee was not muted, deirdrelee ←
13:33:45 <Caroline_> Yaso: we are not sure what we want from the face to face meeting
Yaso Córdova: we are not sure what we want from the face to face meeting ←
13:34:01 <PhilA> q+
Phil Archer: q+ ←
13:34:07 <dschwabe> Sorry, there was some confusion on the phone line between Deirdre and me, but I think I fixed it... I should be dschwabe.a (caller)
Daniel Schwabe: Sorry, there was some confusion on the phone line between Deirdre and me, but I think I fixed it... I should be dschwabe.a (caller) ←
13:34:15 <Caroline_> Vagner: I just want to add some point about my point. My reflection on this is very much connected with the deadlines on the charter
Vagner Diniz: I just want to add some point about my point. My reflection on this is very much connected with the deadlines on the charter ←
13:34:25 <yaso> ok, dschwabe
Yaso Córdova: ok, dschwabe ←
13:34:26 <Caroline_> ... we must delivery some products on May
... we must delivery some products on May ←
13:34:31 <deirdrelee> zakim, unmute dschwabe.a
Deirdre Lee: zakim, unmute dschwabe.a ←
13:34:31 <Zakim> sorry, deirdrelee, I do not know which phone connection belongs to dschwabe.a
Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, deirdrelee, I do not know which phone connection belongs to dschwabe.a ←
13:34:44 <hadleybeeman> +1 to vagner. We do need to deliver things, and should make the most of the time we have together.
Hadley Beeman: +1 to vagner. We do need to deliver things, and should make the most of the time we have together. ←
13:34:51 <hadleybeeman> (and the time beforehand)
Hadley Beeman: (and the time beforehand) ←
13:34:51 <dschwabe> Zakim, dschwabe.a is me
Daniel Schwabe: Zakim, dschwabe.a is me ←
13:34:51 <Zakim> sorry, dschwabe, I do not recognize a party named 'dschwabe.a'
Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, dschwabe, I do not recognize a party named 'dschwabe.a' ←
13:34:59 <Caroline_> ... if you want to keep this agenda and the deadlines on the charter we must work hard before the face to face meeting
... if you want to keep this agenda and the deadlines on the charter we must work hard before the face to face meeting ←
13:35:02 <yaso> +1 to Vagner
Yaso Córdova: +1 to Vagner ←
13:35:04 <antoine> q+
Antoine Isaac: q+ ←
13:35:07 <PhilA> ack me
Phil Archer: ack me ←
13:35:12 <yaso> ack PhilA
Yaso Córdova: ack PhilA ←
13:35:13 <Caroline_> ... if we are not ready to do it we should do some changes on the charter
... if we are not ready to do it we should do some changes on the charter ←
13:35:21 <adler1> the deadlines are creating anxiety
Steven Adler: the deadlines are creating anxiety ←
13:35:22 <dschwabe> q-
Daniel Schwabe: q- ←
13:35:35 <nathalia> agree with Vagner_Br
Nathalia Sautchuk Patrício: agree with Vagner_Br ←
13:35:35 <Caroline_> PhilA: it is clear that we will not get the public document on May
Phil Archer: it is clear that we will not get the public document on May ←
13:35:42 <Zakim> -deirdrelee
Zakim IRC Bot: -deirdrelee ←
13:35:51 <Caroline_> ... the best practices must be grounded on the use cases
... the best practices must be grounded on the use cases ←
13:35:57 <adler1> q+
Steven Adler: q+ ←
13:36:03 <Caroline_> ... it will set the scope on the work ahead
... it will set the scope on the work ahead ←
13:36:07 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
Zakim IRC Bot: +[IPcaller] ←
13:36:11 <antoine> PhilA+++++++++++
Antoine Isaac: PhilA+++++++++++ ←
13:36:19 <adler1> PhilA+
Steven Adler: PhilA+ ←
13:36:21 <Caroline_> ... I feel that if we spend the 2 days on the use cases it would be okay
... I feel that if we spend the 2 days on the use cases it would be okay ←
13:36:33 <deirdrelee> Zakim, [IPcaller] is me
Deirdre Lee: Zakim, [IPcaller] is me ←
13:36:33 <Zakim> +deirdrelee; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +deirdrelee; got it ←
13:36:47 <Caroline_> ... my preference for a target if you want a specific target is that there is enough information for the use case document
... my preference for a target if you want a specific target is that there is enough information for the use case document ←
13:36:56 <Caroline_> ... we could consider the vocab documents
... we could consider the vocab documents ←
13:36:57 <hadleybeeman> q+
Hadley Beeman: q+ ←
13:37:09 <Caroline_> ... the use cases are fundamental for any wg
... the use cases are fundamental for any wg ←
13:37:18 <deirdrelee> Zakim, unmute me
Deirdre Lee: Zakim, unmute me ←
13:37:18 <Zakim> deirdrelee was not muted, deirdrelee
Zakim IRC Bot: deirdrelee was not muted, deirdrelee ←
13:37:20 <Caroline_> ... you get basis to solve the problems
... you get basis to solve the problems ←
13:37:33 <antoine> q-
Antoine Isaac: q- ←
13:37:39 <yaso> ack deirdreelee
Yaso Córdova: ack deirdreelee ←
13:37:40 <Caroline_> Yaso: it seems that the last topic on the agenda has just been answered by PhilA
Yaso Córdova: it seems that the last topic on the agenda has just been answered by PhilA ←
13:37:56 <Caroline_> deirdreelee: the first point is related to the agenda
Deirdre Lee: the first point is related to the agenda ←
13:38:16 <yaso> q?
Yaso Córdova: q? ←
13:38:21 <Caroline_> ... one task about the use cases and the other about the vocabs does not make sense to be runing in paralel
... one task about the use cases and the other about the vocabs does not make sense to be runing in paralel ←
13:38:22 <yaso> ack deirdrelee
Yaso Córdova: ack deirdrelee ←
13:38:22 <PhilA> ack deirdrelee
Phil Archer: ack deirdrelee ←
13:38:25 <antoine> Deirdre+
Antoine Isaac: Deirdre+ ←
13:38:43 <Caroline_> ... regarding the use cases we are trying to progress them. At the moment we have 4 use cases
... regarding the use cases we are trying to progress them. At the moment we have 4 use cases ←
13:38:47 <antoine> q+
Antoine Isaac: q+ ←
13:39:00 <Caroline_> ... I suggest the writers speake about them
... I suggest the writers speake about them ←
13:39:12 <Caroline_> ... I encourage everyone writes about use cases
... I encourage everyone writes about use cases ←
13:39:15 <gatemezi> s/deidreelee/deirdrelee
Ghislain Atemezing: s/deidreelee/deirdrelee (warning: replacement failed) ←
13:39:19 <yaso> q?
Yaso Córdova: q? ←
13:39:27 <yaso> ack adler
Yaso Córdova: ack adler ←
13:39:29 <PhilA> ack adler
Phil Archer: ack adler ←
13:39:39 <Caroline_> Steve: I think this has been a really constructive conversation today
Steven Adler: I think this has been a really constructive conversation today ←
13:39:52 <Caroline_> ... all of us as a group have not met
... all of us as a group have not met ←
13:40:05 <Caroline_> ... social integration is as important as deliverables
... social integration is as important as deliverables ←
13:40:25 <PhilA> +1 to Steve
Phil Archer: +1 to Steve ←
13:40:26 <yaso> working is social integration :-D
Yaso Córdova: working is social integration :-D ←
13:40:30 <cgueret> +1 !
Christophe Gueret: +1 ! ←
13:40:30 <antoine> +1
Antoine Isaac: +1 ←
13:40:36 <Caroline_> ... I think the excitment about the deliverables are important, but we should have the moment to get to know each other during the first meeting
... I think the excitment about the deliverables are important, but we should have the moment to get to know each other during the first meeting ←
13:40:57 <yaso> q?
Yaso Córdova: q? ←
13:41:01 <hadleybeeman> q-
Hadley Beeman: q- ←
13:41:06 <Caroline_> ... we should give ourselves the freedom to get to know each other so everybody feels they are contributing with the group
... we should give ourselves the freedom to get to know each other so everybody feels they are contributing with the group ←
13:41:15 <yaso> ack hadleybeeman
Yaso Córdova: ack hadleybeeman ←
13:41:26 <yaso> ack antoine
Yaso Córdova: ack antoine ←
13:41:30 <antoine> https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/index.php?title=London_2014#Attendees
Antoine Isaac: https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/index.php?title=London_2014#Attendees ←
13:41:38 <Caroline_> Antoine: about the discussion on the agenda
Antoine Isaac: about the discussion on the agenda ←
13:41:45 <Caroline_> ... ??
... ?? ←
13:42:03 <Ig_Bittencourt> q+
Ig Bittencourt Santana Pinto: q+ ←
13:42:04 <adler1> +1 antoine
Steven Adler: +1 antoine ←
13:42:14 <Ig_Bittencourt> Zakim, unmute me
Ig Bittencourt Santana Pinto: Zakim, unmute me ←
13:42:14 <Zakim> Ig_Bittencourt should no longer be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: Ig_Bittencourt should no longer be muted ←
13:42:14 <PhilA> antoine: Sees only 8 people on the attendee list - if people are going they need to add themselves to the list on the wiki
Antoine Isaac: Sees only 8 people on the attendee list - if people are going they need to add themselves to the list on the wiki [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ] ←
13:42:20 <cgueret> +1
Christophe Gueret: +1 ←
13:42:22 <Caroline_> ... I think if we are really 8 people on the meeting there will be a lot of consequences of what we could do during the face to face meeting
... I think if we are really 8 people on the meeting there will be a lot of consequences of what we could do during the face to face meeting ←
13:42:25 <yaso> ack Ig_bittencourt
Yaso Córdova: ack Ig_bittencourt ←
13:42:35 <Caroline_> Ig_Bittencourt: I will attend
Ig Bittencourt Santana Pinto: I will attend ←
13:42:40 <Ig_Bittencourt> Zakim, mute me
Ig Bittencourt Santana Pinto: Zakim, mute me ←
13:42:40 <Zakim> Ig_Bittencourt should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: Ig_Bittencourt should now be muted ←
13:42:55 <yaso> ack Vagner_br
Yaso Córdova: ack Vagner_br ←
13:42:58 <yaso> q?
Yaso Córdova: q? ←
13:43:14 <hadleybeeman> q+
Hadley Beeman: q+ ←
13:43:15 <Caroline_> Vagner: I am surprise that we should not be pressured on the deadlines
Vagner Diniz: I am surprise that we should not be pressured on the deadlines ←
13:43:35 <Caroline_> ... I though we should follow the deadlines on the charter
... I though we should follow the deadlines on the charter ←
13:43:40 <yaso> ack hadleybeeman
Yaso Córdova: ack hadleybeeman ←
13:43:51 <Caroline_> ... unless we would like to change the deadlines
... unless we would like to change the deadlines ←
13:43:58 <adler1> Vagner, I mean that the deadline to produce the first draft 30 days after our meeting is too soon
Steven Adler: Vagner, I mean that the deadline to produce the first draft 30 days after our meeting is too soon ←
13:44:26 <Caroline_> Hadley: my understading is that the end of the charter is fixed, but we can be flexible with the deliverables in the meantime
Hadley Beeman: my understading is that the end of the charter is fixed, but we can be flexible with the deliverables in the meantime ←
13:44:57 <Caroline_> ... I agree we don't have a lot of time on the WG an each of us don't have much time as well
... I agree we don't have a lot of time on the WG an each of us don't have much time as well ←
13:45:03 <adler1> I would propose moving out the 1st draft date another 30-60 days to June or July
Steven Adler: I would propose moving out the 1st draft date another 30-60 days to June or July ←
13:45:09 <Caroline_> ... we should setting a concrete as we can, agenda
... we should setting a concrete as we can, agenda ←
13:45:21 <Vagner_Br> q+
Vagner Diniz: q+ ←
13:45:22 <yaso> q?
Yaso Córdova: q? ←
13:45:32 <Caroline_> ... so we each of us can know how and with what we can contribute
... so we each of us can know how and with what we can contribute ←
13:45:59 <Caroline_> PhilA: it says in the charter that we should have the 1st public WG document by may
Phil Archer: it says in the charter that we should have the 1st public WG document by may ←
13:46:05 <adler1> PhilA +1
Steven Adler: PhilA +1 ←
13:46:21 <Caroline_> ... if we can get the use cases document published we are showing progress
... if we can get the use cases document published we are showing progress ←
13:46:23 <adler1> q+
Steven Adler: q+ ←
13:46:26 <Caroline_> PhilA +1
PhilA +1 ←
13:46:36 <antoine> +1
Antoine Isaac: +1 ←
13:46:50 <hadleybeeman> +1 to PhilA. Sounds productive to me.
Hadley Beeman: +1 to PhilA. Sounds productive to me. ←
13:47:08 <yaso> ack adler
Yaso Córdova: ack adler ←
13:47:10 <nathalia> +1
Nathalia Sautchuk Patrício: +1 ←
13:47:24 <Vagner_Br> q-
Vagner Diniz: q- ←
13:47:49 <Caroline_> adler1: I think it is not easy to have long conversations on the phone about the use cases
Steven Adler: I think it is not easy to have long conversations on the phone about the use cases ←
13:48:15 <Caroline_> ... we can discuss it in person and organize to discuss the use cases
... we can discuss it in person and organize to discuss the use cases ←
13:48:32 <hadleybeeman> +1 to adler1, telling the marketplace that we're starting with their problems. Well said.
Hadley Beeman: +1 to adler1, telling the marketplace that we're starting with their problems. Well said. ←
13:48:36 <Caroline_> ... we are also honoring all the people that have contributed with the use cases
... we are also honoring all the people that have contributed with the use cases ←
13:48:37 <yaso> q?
Yaso Córdova: q? ←
13:48:52 <Vagner_Br> q-
Vagner Diniz: q- ←
13:49:01 <Caroline_> ... we will show them that we are actually using the use cases they have contributed with
... we will show them that we are actually using the use cases they have contributed with ←
13:49:22 <Caroline_> Yaso: I think we have to work on the agenda during this week
Yaso Córdova: I think we have to work on the agenda during this week ←
13:49:34 <Caroline_> ... now we should discuss about the time zone change
... now we should discuss about the time zone change ←
13:49:36 <PhilA> q+ to pick up on Deirdre's point
Phil Archer: q+ to pick up on Deirdre's point ←
13:49:43 <Caroline_> q+
q+ ←
13:49:48 <yaso> Ack philA
Yaso Córdova: Ack philA ←
13:49:48 <Zakim> PhilA, you wanted to pick up on Deirdre's point
Zakim IRC Bot: PhilA, you wanted to pick up on Deirdre's point ←
13:50:22 <Caroline_> PhilA: deirdrelle said about helping with the use cases
Phil Archer: deirdrelle said about helping with the use cases ←
13:50:27 <adler1> +1
Steven Adler: +1 ←
13:50:31 <BernadetteLoscio> It is really important to discuss a little more about the use cases
Bernadette Farias Loscio: It is really important to discuss a little more about the use cases ←
13:50:33 <hadleybeeman> s/deirdelle/deirdrelee
Hadley Beeman: s/deirdelle/deirdrelee (warning: replacement failed) ←
13:50:34 <BernadetteLoscio> +1
Bernadette Farias Loscio: +1 ←
13:50:41 <Caroline_> ... we must agree on the use cases before the face to face meeting in London
... we must agree on the use cases before the face to face meeting in London ←
13:50:48 <Caroline_> PhilA +1
PhilA +1 ←
13:50:56 <Caroline_> Yaso: we could use more the mail list
Yaso Córdova: we could use more the mail list ←
13:51:08 <Caroline_> ... we should talk more about the use cases document by email
... we should talk more about the use cases document by email ←
13:51:18 <yaso> ack Caroline_
Yaso Córdova: ack Caroline_ ←
13:51:22 <PhilA> topic: Time Zones
13:52:00 <PhilA> Info - the US cnages to Summer Time, i.e. moves ahead this weekend
Phil Archer: Info - the US changes to Summer Time, i.e. moves ahead this weekend ←
13:52:08 <PhilA> s/cnages/changes/
13:52:08 <Makx> +q
Makx Dekkers: +q ←
13:52:10 <antoine> Antoine suggest to just pick a slot: it's just for two weeks
Antoine Isaac: Antoine suggest to just pick a slot: it's just for two weeks ←
13:52:21 <PhilA> ack Makx
Phil Archer: ack Makx ←
13:52:23 <Makx> yes
Makx Dekkers: yes ←
13:52:26 <yaso> ack Maks
Yaso Córdova: ack Maks ←
13:52:35 <yaso> ack Makx
Yaso Córdova: ack Makx ←
13:52:52 <yaso> q?
Yaso Córdova: q? ←
13:52:52 <Caroline_> Makx: I just said 3pm would be more difficult
Makx Dekkers: I just said 3pm would be more difficult ←
13:53:08 <PhilA> Makx: 15:00 CET will be more difficult for me, but not impossible
Makx Dekkers: 15:00 CET will be more difficult for me, but not impossible [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ] ←
13:53:14 <PhilA> ... I'll go with the majority
Phil Archer: ... I'll go with the majority ←
13:53:17 <Caroline_> ... I just go with the majority
... I just go with the majority ←
13:54:06 <Caroline_> PROPOSAL: move the call to 1 hour later, which would be at 9am in USA time zone
PROPOSED: move the call to 1 hour later, which would be at 9am in USA time zone ←
13:54:06 <adler1> so the time will remain at 8am ET, but that will be 3pm Brussels time
Steven Adler: so the time will remain at 8am ET, but that will be 3pm Brussels time ←
13:54:31 <gatemezi> +1
Ghislain Atemezing: +1 ←
13:54:34 <nathalia> +1
Nathalia Sautchuk Patrício: +1 ←
13:54:35 <yaso> +1
Yaso Córdova: +1 ←
13:54:36 <adler1> no, 9am ET next week will still be 7 hours later than 9am
Steven Adler: no, 9am ET next week will still be 7 hours later than 9am ←
13:54:38 <hadleybeeman> +1
Hadley Beeman: +1 ←
13:54:44 <BernadetteLoscio> +1
Bernadette Farias Loscio: +1 ←
13:54:47 <dschwabe> s /USA/USA EST/
Daniel Schwabe: s /USA/USA EST/ ←
13:54:47 <Ig_Bittencourt> +1
Ig Bittencourt Santana Pinto: +1 ←
13:54:48 <adler1> +q
Steven Adler: +q ←
13:54:52 <antoine> +1
Antoine Isaac: +1 ←
13:54:55 <ivan> zakim, unmute me
Ivan Herman: zakim, unmute me ←
13:54:55 <Zakim> Ivan should no longer be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: Ivan should no longer be muted ←
13:54:56 <PhilA> ack adler
Phil Archer: ack adler ←
13:54:57 <yaso> ack adler
Yaso Córdova: ack adler ←
13:55:52 <adler1> got it
Steven Adler: got it ←
13:56:09 <cgueret> +1
Christophe Gueret: +1 ←
13:56:13 <yaso> +1
Yaso Córdova: +1 ←
13:56:16 <Makx> abstain
Makx Dekkers: abstain ←
13:56:18 <Caroline_> +1
+1 ←
13:56:43 <yaso> It's a permanent change
Yaso Córdova: It's a permanent change ←
13:57:20 <GiancarloGuizzardi> As one of the europeans, I am fine with the change
Giancarlo Guizzardi: As one of the europeans, I am fine with the change ←
13:57:42 <CarlosIglesias> abstain
Carlos Iglesias: abstain ←
13:58:22 <Makx> why don't we refer to UTC?
Makx Dekkers: why don't we refer to UTC? ←
13:58:22 <adler1> q+
Steven Adler: q+ ←
13:58:23 <Vagner_Br> Steve, my concern is I am sceptical with the possibility of writing a document in a meeting. As far as the wiki is evolving I don't believe we will have a substantive document to discuss about. On the other hand I guess it is to much burden to put upon editor's shoulder. Again, if we don't distribute tasks among the group I guess we may arrive in London with very few to move ahead.
Vagner Diniz: Steve, my concern is I am sceptical with the possibility of writing a document in a meeting. As far as the wiki is evolving I don't believe we will have a substantive document to discuss about. On the other hand I guess it is to much burden to put upon editor's shoulder. Again, if we don't distribute tasks among the group I guess we may arrive in London with very few to move ahead. ←
13:58:34 <yaso> ack adler
Yaso Córdova: ack adler ←
13:58:50 <Caroline_> Steve: I would like to organize 2 more use cases
Steven Adler: I would like to organize 2 more use cases ←
13:58:59 <ivan> zakim, mute me
Ivan Herman: zakim, mute me ←
13:58:59 <Zakim> Ivan should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: Ivan should now be muted ←
13:59:14 <Caroline_> ... next week will be about NYC, regarding the programm that runned 3 years ago
... next week will be about NYC, regarding the programm that runned 3 years ago ←
13:59:25 <PhilA> Next Week's meeting will be at http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?msg=DWBP+Weekly+telecon+Fri+14+March+2014&iso=20140314T09&p1=43&ah=1
Phil Archer: Next Week's meeting will be at http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?msg=DWBP+Weekly+telecon+Fri+14+March+2014&iso=20140314T09&p1=43&ah=1 ←
13:59:26 <Caroline_> ... the following on will be about LA
... the following on will be about LA ←
13:59:43 <Caroline_> ... I hope the time is good and people can participate
... I hope the time is good and people can participate ←
13:59:58 <Caroline_> Yaso: we should put that on the wiki and I can do that for you
Yaso Córdova: we should put that on the wiki and I can do that for you ←
14:00:17 <adler1> +1
Steven Adler: +1 ←
14:00:26 <Makx> no i abstained
Makx Dekkers: no i abstained ←
14:00:29 <Caroline_> ... about the time of the follow meetings we all agreed on the proposal that it will be at EST 9am
... about the time of the follow meetings we all agreed on the proposal that it will be at EST 9am ←
14:00:36 <ivan> zakim, drop me
Ivan Herman: zakim, drop me ←
14:00:38 <Zakim> Ivan is being disconnected
Zakim IRC Bot: Ivan is being disconnected ←
14:00:38 <Zakim> -Ivan
Zakim IRC Bot: -Ivan ←
14:00:43 <PhilA> ACCEPTED: The regular meeting time will be 09:00 Eastern Standard Time
RESOLVED: The regular meeting time will be 09:00 Eastern Standard Time ←
14:00:50 <adler1> suggest we do lightening rounds for use case discussions - each member gets 5 minutes to present a use case
Steven Adler: suggest we do lightening rounds for use case discussions - each member gets 5 minutes to present a use case ←
14:01:02 <dschwabe> bye
Daniel Schwabe: bye ←
14:01:02 <hadleybeeman> +1 to adler1
Hadley Beeman: +1 to adler1 ←
14:01:04 <adler1> next week
Steven Adler: next week ←
14:01:13 <Caroline_> bye!
bye! ←
14:01:14 <martin> bye
Martín Álvarez: bye ←
14:01:15 <Ig_Bittencourt> Bye. Thanks
Ig Bittencourt Santana Pinto: Bye. Thanks ←
14:01:17 <BernadetteLoscio> thanks! bye!
Bernadette Farias Loscio: thanks! bye! ←
14:01:17 <nathalia> bye
Nathalia Sautchuk Patrício: bye ←
14:01:18 <Zakim> -HadleyBeeman
Zakim IRC Bot: -HadleyBeeman ←
14:01:18 <cgueret> thx bye
Christophe Gueret: thx bye ←
14:01:19 <Zakim> -adler1
Zakim IRC Bot: -adler1 ←
14:01:19 <Zakim> -PhilA
Zakim IRC Bot: -PhilA ←
14:01:20 <Zakim> -antoine
Zakim IRC Bot: -antoine ←
14:01:20 <CarlosIglesias> bye!
Carlos Iglesias: bye! ←
14:01:21 <Zakim> -makx
Zakim IRC Bot: -makx ←
14:01:23 <vanessa_tonini> bye
Vanessa Me Tonini: bye ←
14:01:24 <Zakim> -martin
Zakim IRC Bot: -martin ←
14:01:24 <GiancarloGuizzardi> bye
Giancarlo Guizzardi: bye ←
14:01:25 <Zakim> -deirdrelee
Zakim IRC Bot: -deirdrelee ←
14:01:25 <Zakim> -cgueret
Zakim IRC Bot: -cgueret ←
14:01:25 <adler1> bye
Steven Adler: bye ←
14:01:29 <Zakim> -Ig_Bittencourt
Zakim IRC Bot: -Ig_Bittencourt ←
14:01:44 <Zakim> -CarlosIglesias
Zakim IRC Bot: -CarlosIglesias ←
14:03:39 <Zakim> -dschwabe
Zakim IRC Bot: -dschwabe ←
14:03:59 <Zakim> -Caroline
Zakim IRC Bot: -Caroline ←
14:04:01 <Zakim> -deirdrelee
Zakim IRC Bot: -deirdrelee ←
14:04:21 <GiancarloGuizzardi> -GiancarloGuizzardi
Giancarlo Guizzardi: -GiancarloGuizzardi ←
14:04:46 <PhilA> zakim, bye
Phil Archer: zakim, bye ←
14:04:46 <Zakim> leaving. As of this point the attendees were Ivan, Ig_Bittencourt, deirdrelee, antoine, martin, HadleyBeeman, PhilA, Yaso, Vanessa, Nathalia, Vagner, cgueret, Newton,
Zakim IRC Bot: leaving. As of this point the attendees were Ivan, Ig_Bittencourt, deirdrelee, antoine, martin, HadleyBeeman, PhilA, Yaso, Vanessa, Nathalia, Vagner, cgueret, Newton, ←
14:04:50 <Zakim> ... CarlosIglesias, +1.516.944.aaaa, adler1, BernadetteLoscio, makx, dschwabe
Zakim IRC Bot: ... CarlosIglesias, +1.516.944.aaaa, adler1, BernadetteLoscio, makx, dschwabe ←
14:04:53 <PhilA> RRSAgent, make logs public
Phil Archer: RRSAgent, make logs public ←
14:05:10 <PhilA> rrsagent, generate minutes
Phil Archer: rrsagent, generate minutes ←
14:05:10 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/03/07-dwbp-minutes.html PhilA
RRSAgent IRC Bot: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/03/07-dwbp-minutes.html PhilA ←
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