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Digital Publishing Interest Group Teleconference

Minutes of 23 November 2015

Agenda
https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-digipub-ig/2015Nov/0145.html
Seen
Alan Stearns, Ayla Stein, Bert Bos, Bill Kasdorf, Brady Duga, Charles LaPierre, Daniel Weck, Dave Cramer, Deborah Kaplan, Heather Flanagan, Ivan Herman, Karen Myers, Laura Fowler, Liam Quin, Luc Audrain, Peter Krautzberger, Romain Deltour, Timothy Cole, Tzviya Siegman, Unknown nickbarreto, Vladimir Levantovsky
Regrets
Vladimir Levantovsky, Laura Fowler, Luc Audrain
Chair
Tzviya Siegman
Scribe
Dave Cramer
IRC Log
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Resolutions

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15:12:27 <ivan> trackbot, start telcon

Ivan Herman: trackbot, start telcon

15:12:29 <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs public

Trackbot IRC Bot: RRSAgent, make logs public

15:12:31 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be dpub

Trackbot IRC Bot: Zakim, this will be dpub

15:12:31 <Zakim> I do not see a conference matching that name scheduled within the next hour, trackbot

Zakim IRC Bot: I do not see a conference matching that name scheduled within the next hour, trackbot

15:12:32 <trackbot> Meeting: Digital Publishing Interest Group Teleconference
15:12:32 <trackbot> Date: 23 November 2015
15:12:41 <ivan> Chair: Tzviya
15:13:35 <ivan> Regrets: Vlad_Levantovsky, Laura_Fowler, Luc_Audrain
15:14:16 <ivan> Agenda: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-digipub-ig/2015Nov/0145.html
15:14:43 <ivan> Regrets+ Paul_Belfanti

Ivan Herman: Regrets+ Paul_Belfanti

15:56:55 <tzviya> present+ Tzviya_Siegman

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Tzviya Siegman: present+ Tzviya_Siegman

15:59:04 <clapierre> present+ Charles_LaPierre

Charles LaPierre: present+ Charles_LaPierre

15:59:13 <Karen> present+ Karen

Karen Myers: present+ Karen

15:59:17 <dauwhe> present+ Dave_Cramer

Dave Cramer: present+ Dave_Cramer

15:59:20 <ivan> Present+ Ivan_Herman

Ivan Herman: Present+ Ivan_Herman

16:00:01 <brady_duga> present+ duga

Brady Duga: present+ duga

16:01:52 <tzviya> zakim, pick a victim

Tzviya Siegman: zakim, pick a victim

16:01:52 <Zakim> Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose Dave_Cramer

Zakim IRC Bot: Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose Dave_Cramer

16:02:06 <tzviya> zakim, pick a victim

Tzviya Siegman: zakim, pick a victim

16:02:06 <Zakim> Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose Tzviya_Siegman

Zakim IRC Bot: Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose Tzviya_Siegman

16:02:07 <astearns> :)

Alan Stearns: :)

16:02:16 <tzviya> zakim, pick a victim

Tzviya Siegman: zakim, pick a victim

16:02:18 <Zakim> Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose Karen

Zakim IRC Bot: Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose Karen

16:02:27 <TimCole> Present+ Tim_Cole

Timothy Cole: Present+ Tim_Cole

16:02:28 <dauwhe> scribenick: dauwhe

(Scribe set to Dave Cramer)

16:02:38 <astearns> present+ astearns

Alan Stearns: present+ astearns

16:02:44 <nickbarreto> present+ nick_barreto

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Unknown nickbarreto: present+ nick_barreto

16:02:47 <ayla_stein> present+ ayla_stein

Ayla Stein: present+ ayla_stein

16:03:02 <dauwhe> tzviya: let's get started

Tzviya Siegman: let's get started

16:03:22 <dauwhe> ... we need to approve the minutes from last week

... we need to approve the minutes from last week

16:03:33 <dauwhe> ... any comments?

... any comments?

16:03:37 <dauwhe> (silence, sortof)

(silence, sortof)

16:03:42 <dauwhe> ... minutes approved.

... minutes approved.

16:03:48 <dauwhe> ivan: minutes are perfect.

Ivan Herman: minutes are perfect.

16:03:56 <dkaplan3> Present+ Deborah_Kaplan

Deborah Kaplan: Present+ Deborah_Kaplan

16:03:59 <dauwhe> tzviya: Topic: CSS examples

Tzviya Siegman: Topic: CSS examples

16:04:53 <dauwhe> ... we still need volunteers; we've had some on the list

... we still need volunteers; we've had some on the list

16:05:02 <dauwhe> ... I had offered to provide some samples to Dave

... I had offered to provide some samples to Dave

16:05:09 <Daniel-Weck> Trying to get into WebEx...what the password? :)

Daniel Weck: Trying to get into WebEx...what the password? :)

16:05:26 <dauwhe> ... there's been some back and forth

... there's been some back and forth

16:05:50 <dauwhe> ... we need more samples for the csswg

... we need more samples for the csswg

16:06:03 <pkra> present+ Peter Krautzberger

Peter Krautzberger: present+ Peter Krautzberger

16:06:33 <liam> present+ Liam_Quin

Liam Quin: present+ Liam_Quin

16:06:40 <ivan> Present+ Daniel_Weck

Ivan Herman: Present+ Daniel_Weck

16:06:42 <HeatherF> present +Heather_Flanagan

Heather Flanagan: present +Heather_Flanagan

16:06:59 <dauwhe> dauwhe: examples from decimal alignment of tables

Dave Cramer: examples from decimal alignment of tables

16:07:07 <dauwhe> astearns: printed examples are better

Alan Stearns: printed examples are better

16:07:23 <ivan> q+

Ivan Herman: q+

16:07:28 <dauwhe> tzviya: I can provide some PDFs, Paul offered

Tzviya Siegman: I can provide some PDFs, Paul offered

16:07:42 <tzviya> ack iv

Tzviya Siegman: ack iv

16:07:46 <dauwhe> ... a colleague sent me a list of issues

... a colleague sent me a list of issues

16:07:54 <dauwhe> ivan: I might have another example

Ivan Herman: I might have another example

16:08:13 <dauwhe> ... a guy from Germany at a small pub talked to me about a book they put together by cutting and pasting journal articles

... a guy from Germany at a small pub talked to me about a book they put together by cutting and pasting journal articles

16:08:18 <dauwhe> ... kind of a collage

... kind of a collage

16:08:23 <Bert> Present+

Bert Bos: Present+

16:08:30 <dauwhe> ... he had something in PDF, 5k pages

... he had something in PDF, 5k pages

16:08:40 <dauwhe> ... he may send me a few pages

... he may send me a few pages

16:08:50 <rdeltour> present+ Romain Deltour

Romain Deltour: present+ Romain Deltour

16:08:51 <dauwhe> ... might have usage of float

... might have usage of float

16:09:01 <dauwhe> ... if I get it I'll send it to the list

... if I get it I'll send it to the list

16:09:10 <dauwhe> ... and we can comment

... and we can comment

16:09:24 <dauwhe> tzviya: I feel bad for the person reading a five thousand page PDF

Tzviya Siegman: I feel bad for the person reading a five thousand page PDF

16:09:43 <dauwhe> ivan: print is 5k pages, they want to reproduce digitally

Ivan Herman: print is 5k pages, they want to reproduce digitally

16:10:11 <dauwhe> ... anyone else with funky examples?

... anyone else with funky examples?

16:10:19 <dauwhe> Topic: Romain

1. Romain

16:10:41 <Bill_Kasdorf> present+ Bill_Kasdorf

Bill Kasdorf: present+ Bill_Kasdorf

16:10:42 <dauwhe> rdeltour: here on behalf of DAISY; also a member of EPUB WG

Romain Deltour: here on behalf of DAISY; also a member of EPUB WG

16:10:52 <dauwhe> tzviya: we're happy to have you

Tzviya Siegman: we're happy to have you

16:11:09 <dauwhe> Topic: New PWP Identifier Task Force

2. New PWP Identifier Task Force

16:11:21 <dauwhe> tzviya: who's in, who's leading, goals, etc.

Tzviya Siegman: who's in, who's leading, goals, etc.

16:11:29 <dauwhe> ... Bill, are you on phone

... Bill, are you on phone

16:11:40 <dauwhe> ... markus mentioned you agreed to lead

... markus mentioned you agreed to lead

16:11:47 <dauwhe> Bill_Kasdorf: Yes, I was volunteered

Bill Kasdorf: Yes, I was volunteered

16:12:05 <dauwhe> tzviya: Romain, Matt, and Markus have agreed to be on the Task Force

Tzviya Siegman: Romain, Matt, and Markus have agreed to be on the Task Force

16:12:09 <dauwhe> ivan: and probably me

Ivan Herman: and probably me

16:12:13 <dauwhe> tzviya: and me

Tzviya Siegman: and me

16:12:28 <dauwhe> Bill_Kasdorf: the arm-twisting began with the statement y'all would be on the task force

Bill Kasdorf: the arm-twisting began with the statement y'all would be on the task force

16:12:41 <dauwhe> (general hilarity ensues)

(general hilarity ensues)

16:12:59 <dauwhe> tzviya: any other volunteers? But first let's talk about goals

Tzviya Siegman: any other volunteers? But first let's talk about goals

16:13:11 <dauwhe> ... this group will be working with EPUB 3.1 WG

... this group will be working with EPUB 3.1 WG

16:13:25 <dauwhe> ... with goal of identifying proposals for identifiers for both EPUB 3.1 and PWP

... with goal of identifying proposals for identifiers for both EPUB 3.1 and PWP

16:13:35 <dauwhe> ... submitting solutions to EPUB 3.1 by March

... submitting solutions to EPUB 3.1 by March

16:13:43 <dauwhe> ... forward-compatible

... forward-compatible

16:13:52 <dauwhe> ... talking about package identifier, not fragment identifiers

... talking about package identifier, not fragment identifiers

16:14:04 <ivan> q+

Ivan Herman: q+

16:14:08 <tzviya> ack iv

Tzviya Siegman: ack iv

16:14:13 <dauwhe> Bill_Kasdorf: while component and frag identifiers are still in scope, the initial path is package identifiers

Bill Kasdorf: while component and frag identifiers are still in scope, the initial path is package identifiers

16:14:38 <dauwhe> ivan: I think that talking about pub identifier without talking about ID of components won't work

Ivan Herman: I think that talking about pub identifier without talking about ID of components won't work

16:14:45 <dauwhe> ... but we don't need to worry about fragments

... but we don't need to worry about fragments

16:15:01 <dauwhe> tzviya: we can talk about identifying the package and ch1, but not words in ch1

Tzviya Siegman: we can talk about identifying the package and ch1, but not words in ch1

16:15:02 <dauwhe> ivan: correct

Ivan Herman: correct

16:15:24 <dauwhe> tzviya: another issue is the state of the package; IDs need to be state-agnostic

Tzviya Siegman: another issue is the state of the package; IDs need to be state-agnostic

16:15:35 <dauwhe> ... also relevant to EPUB 3.1 and the BFF format

... also relevant to EPUB 3.1 and the BFF format

16:15:52 <dauwhe> ... the portable EPUB (traditional) and BFF (readable online)

... the portable EPUB (traditional) and BFF (readable online)

16:15:58 <dauwhe> Bill_Kasdorf: not to blend these discussions

Bill Kasdorf: not to blend these discussions

16:16:10 <tzviya> q?

Tzviya Siegman: q?

16:16:15 <dauwhe> ... BFF discussion is currently being thought of as a tightening up of EPUB 3.1

... BFF discussion is currently being thought of as a tightening up of EPUB 3.1

16:16:40 <ayla_stein> I'd be interested in participating on this working group

Ayla Stein: I'd be interested in participating on this working group

16:16:44 <dauwhe> ... Dave mentioned progressive enhancement last week

... Dave mentioned progressive enhancement last week

16:16:59 <dauwhe> ... does there need to be a distinction between relaxed epub and tightened-up epub?

... does there need to be a distinction between relaxed epub and tightened-up epub?

16:17:04 <ivan> q+

Ivan Herman: q+

16:17:11 <dauwhe> tzviya: let's not get into this now; let's focus on identifiers

Tzviya Siegman: let's not get into this now; let's focus on identifiers

16:17:18 <dauwhe> Bill_Kasdorf: the reason I mentioned that

Bill Kasdorf: the reason I mentioned that

16:17:35 <dauwhe> ... there is some recent work on ISTC

... there is some recent work on ISTC

16:17:39 <dauwhe> ... which was moribund

... which was moribund

16:17:46 <dauwhe> ... where that seems to be going

... where that seems to be going

16:17:57 <dauwhe> ... it identifies in a more abstract way what is a publication

... it identifies in a more abstract way what is a publication

16:18:11 <dauwhe> ... it may allow various degrees of clustering

... it may allow various degrees of clustering

16:18:20 <dauwhe> ... this ISTC covers all versions of pub in English

... this ISTC covers all versions of pub in English

16:18:31 <dauwhe> ... this other layer distinguishes between en-us and en-gb

... this other layer distinguishes between en-us and en-gb

16:18:40 <dauwhe> ... this other layer deals with translations or abridgements

... this other layer deals with translations or abridgements

16:19:16 <dauwhe> ... Ivan brought up we need URL and URN;

... Ivan brought up we need URL and URN;

16:19:27 <dauwhe> ... Our spec should be agnostic about those identifiers

... Our spec should be agnostic about those identifiers

16:19:36 <dauwhe> ... we should provide syntax

... we should provide syntax

16:19:40 <tzviya> ack ivan

Tzviya Siegman: ack ivan

16:19:49 <dauwhe> ivan: two different things

Ivan Herman: two different things

16:20:03 <dauwhe> ... first, I would say that this task force is not really about identifiers

... first, I would say that this task force is not really about identifiers

16:20:11 <dauwhe> ... we do not, must not define identifiers

... we do not, must not define identifiers

16:20:13 <tzviya> +1

Tzviya Siegman: +1

16:20:17 <dauwhe> ... we are talking about locators

... we are talking about locators

16:20:20 <dauwhe> Bill_Kasdorf: thanks

Bill Kasdorf: thanks

16:20:37 <dauwhe> ... if you call task force identifiers you get into the morass

... if you call task force identifiers you get into the morass

16:20:42 <dauwhe> ivan: we should talk about locators

Ivan Herman: we should talk about locators

16:20:47 <dauwhe> ... what I wanted to say is

... what I wanted to say is

16:20:53 <dauwhe> ... I see two goals

... I see two goals

16:21:01 <nickbarreto> q+

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Unknown nickbarreto: q+

16:21:13 <dauwhe> ... we have discussed a drafty thing in the PWP draft

... we have discussed a drafty thing in the PWP draft

16:21:21 <dauwhe> ... we must clean up this draft

... we must clean up this draft

16:21:30 <dauwhe> ... to see if it is proper, and what we need

... to see if it is proper, and what we need

16:21:36 <dauwhe> ... so manifest is workable etc

... so manifest is workable etc

16:21:44 <tzviya> q?

Tzviya Siegman: q?

16:21:47 <dauwhe> ... I'd like a proof of concept

... I'd like a proof of concept

16:21:51 <dauwhe> ... showing it could work

... showing it could work

16:22:05 <dauwhe> ... and we have to identify if there's anything there that should become a long-term standard

... and we have to identify if there's anything there that should become a long-term standard

16:22:15 <dauwhe> ... maybe in a year we will set up a WG somewhere

... maybe in a year we will set up a WG somewhere

16:22:33 <dauwhe> ... to standardize

... to standardize

16:23:01 <dauwhe> ... what of this can be used for EPUB 3.1 in spite of constraints

... what of this can be used for EPUB 3.1 in spite of constraints

16:23:06 <tzviya> ack nick

Tzviya Siegman: ack nick

16:23:07 <dauwhe> ... but we need longer-term focus

... but we need longer-term focus

16:23:23 <dauwhe> nickbarreto: In relation to locaters

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Unknown nickbarreto: In relation to locaters

16:23:29 <dauwhe> ... chapters within a publication

... chapters within a publication

16:23:50 <dauwhe> ... is there any need for implicit relationship between locators

... is there any need for implicit relationship between locators

16:23:56 <dauwhe> ... in ch1 knowing ch2 is next

... in ch1 knowing ch2 is next

16:24:08 <dauwhe> ivan: I'm not sure I understand

Ivan Herman: I'm not sure I understand

16:24:30 <dauwhe> tzviya: is what you're talking about the relative position in the file?

Tzviya Siegman: is what you're talking about the relative position in the file?

16:24:41 <ivan> q+

Ivan Herman: q+

16:24:43 <dauwhe> nickbarreto: should locators have relationshipo with each other

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Unknown nickbarreto: should locators have relationshipo with each other

16:24:46 <tzviya> ack iv

Tzviya Siegman: ack iv

16:24:54 <dauwhe> ivan: what you just said...

Ivan Herman: what you just said...

16:25:26 <dauwhe> ... the way we define PWP is a set of different resources that someone decided belonged together

... the way we define PWP is a set of different resources that someone decided belonged together

16:25:37 <TimCole> q+

Timothy Cole: q+

16:25:42 <dauwhe> ... locators can be very different... ch1 and foobar1 which could belong to the same doc

... locators can be very different... ch1 and foobar1 which could belong to the same doc

16:25:48 <dauwhe> ... so we shouldn't make assumptions

... so we shouldn't make assumptions

16:25:56 <dauwhe> ... maybe we need mapping in manifest

... maybe we need mapping in manifest

16:26:03 <dauwhe> ... and this is all part of the discussion

... and this is all part of the discussion

16:26:19 <dauwhe> ... the starting point is someone decides to conceptually put together resources from all over the place

... the starting point is someone decides to conceptually put together resources from all over the place

16:26:35 <dauwhe> tzviya: I think it's also important to recognize that IDPF is working on specific things

Tzviya Siegman: I think it's also important to recognize that IDPF is working on specific things

16:26:45 <dauwhe> ... and the goal of this task force is strictly the locator

... and the goal of this task force is strictly the locator

16:26:56 <dauwhe> ... IDPF is worrying about linearity and spine and manfiest and such

... IDPF is worrying about linearity and spine and manfiest and such

16:27:02 <tzviya> ack tim

Tzviya Siegman: ack tim

16:27:07 <dauwhe> ... the goal of this task force is strictly the locator

... the goal of this task force is strictly the locator

16:27:16 <dauwhe> TimCole: this might be out of scope in near term

Timothy Cole: this might be out of scope in near term

16:27:21 <dauwhe> ... with journals

... with journals

16:27:32 <dauwhe> ... article 1 in Journal A will be article 7 in Journal B

... article 1 in Journal A will be article 7 in Journal B

16:27:39 <dauwhe> ... so locators can't have sequencing

... so locators can't have sequencing

16:27:52 <dauwhe> ... we shouldn't make assumptions about these things

... we shouldn't make assumptions about these things

16:28:21 <dauwhe> tzviya: we're not talking about how to assemple the package, just how to locate items in the package

Tzviya Siegman: we're not talking about how to assemple the package, just how to locate items in the package

16:28:33 <dauwhe> Bill_Kasdorf: it's 2-layered

Bill Kasdorf: it's 2-layered

16:28:41 <dauwhe> ... locate package, then you can locate components

... locate package, then you can locate components

16:28:49 <dauwhe> tzviya: in practice, it might not be so two-stepped

Tzviya Siegman: in practice, it might not be so two-stepped

16:28:56 <tzviya> q?

Tzviya Siegman: q?

16:29:02 <dauwhe> Bill_Kasdorf: you have to have that single high-level locator

Bill Kasdorf: you have to have that single high-level locator

16:29:14 <dauwhe> ... it's not just a collection; the collection itself has to have a locator

... it's not just a collection; the collection itself has to have a locator

16:29:30 <dauwhe> tzviya: now that we've talked a bit about what this group will do

Tzviya Siegman: now that we've talked a bit about what this group will do

16:29:37 <dauwhe> ... timeline for proposals is March

... timeline for proposals is March

16:29:45 <dauwhe> ... any other volunteers

... any other volunteers

16:29:52 <dauwhe> Ivan: not identifier

Ivan Herman: not identifier

16:29:57 <dauwhe> Bill_Kasdorf: change name to locator?

Bill Kasdorf: change name to locator?

16:29:59 <dauwhe> tzviya: yes

Tzviya Siegman: yes

16:30:26 <dauwhe> (the usual silence when volunteers are requested)

(the usual silence when volunteers are requested)

16:30:42 <HeatherF> I will sign up

Heather Flanagan: I will sign up

16:30:55 <ayla_stein> *thumbs up*

Ayla Stein: *thumbs up*

16:31:18 <dauwhe> Topic: Call for Consensus on next publication of PWPWP

3. Call for Consensus on next publication of PWPWP

16:31:23 <tzviya> http://w3c.github.io/dpub-pwp/

Tzviya Siegman: http://w3c.github.io/dpub-pwp/

16:31:46 <dauwhe> tzviya: here's the current draft

Tzviya Siegman: here's the current draft

16:31:55 <dauwhe> ... of the portable web publications white paper

... of the portable web publications white paper

16:31:58 <dauwhe> ... what's changed?

... what's changed?

16:32:05 <dauwhe> ivan: I did give an update last week

Ivan Herman: I did give an update last week

16:32:24 <dauwhe> ... a few comments on grammar etc

... a few comments on grammar etc

16:32:38 <dauwhe> tzviya: ralph has checked for grammar

Tzviya Siegman: ralph has checked for grammar

16:32:46 <dauwhe> Bill_Kasdorf: FPWD?

Bill Kasdorf: FPWD?

16:32:49 <dauwhe> ivan: no, second

Ivan Herman: no, second

16:33:05 <dauwhe> ... that's an ED, but I turn it into WD during formal publication process

... that's an ED, but I turn it into WD during formal publication process

16:33:14 <dauwhe> tzviya: we can do call for consensus now

Tzviya Siegman: we can do call for consensus now

16:33:23 <dauwhe> ivan: don't need to be formal

Ivan Herman: don't need to be formal

16:33:29 <tzviya> q?

Tzviya Siegman: q?

16:33:33 <dauwhe> ... does anyone formally object

... does anyone formally object

16:33:38 <dauwhe> (the good kind of silence)

(the good kind of silence)

16:33:47 <Bill_Kasdorf> +1 to publishing

Bill Kasdorf: +1 to publishing

16:33:54 <dauwhe> ivan: will probably be published on Thursday

Ivan Herman: will probably be published on Thursday

16:34:00 <dauwhe> ... you americans will be eating Turkey

... you americans will be eating Turkey

16:34:05 <ayla_stein> "turkey" for those of us who are vegetarian

Ayla Stein: "turkey" for those of us who are vegetarian

16:34:21 <dauwhe> Topic: what next with PWPWP?

4. what next with PWPWP?

16:34:58 <dauwhe> tzviya: one next step is putting together proposals for EPUB 3.1 WG

Tzviya Siegman: one next step is putting together proposals for EPUB 3.1 WG

16:35:09 <dauwhe> ... did Ivan and Markus discuss?

... did Ivan and Markus discuss?

16:35:15 <dauwhe> ivan: yes, we agreed Markus would lead

Ivan Herman: yes, we agreed Markus would lead

16:35:31 <dauwhe> (possible synchronicity)

(possible synchronicity)

16:35:42 <dauwhe> ivan: we clarified some items for ourselves

Ivan Herman: we clarified some items for ourselves

16:35:56 <dauwhe> ... what I said about locator task force is to work out some details

... what I said about locator task force is to work out some details

16:36:04 <dauwhe> ... this is one way of moving ahead

... this is one way of moving ahead

16:36:08 <dauwhe> ... there are some other areas

... there are some other areas

16:36:20 <dauwhe> ... and I don't be the one writing all the details for all the areas

... and I don't be the one writing all the details for all the areas

16:36:33 <dauwhe> ... so I would like to have a clearer idea where we go with this work

... so I would like to have a clearer idea where we go with this work

16:36:39 <dauwhe> ... in the coming half-year or year

... in the coming half-year or year

16:36:47 <dauwhe> ... and see if there are areas other people want to pick up

... and see if there are areas other people want to pick up

16:36:53 <dauwhe> ... like security

... like security

16:36:58 <dauwhe> ... the user-control issues

... the user-control issues

16:37:12 <dauwhe> ... the packaging stuff we can put on hold for a while

... the packaging stuff we can put on hold for a while

16:37:24 <dauwhe> ... I want to see if all these ideas make sense

... I want to see if all these ideas make sense

16:37:31 <dauwhe> ... Jake put together a skeleton

... Jake put together a skeleton

16:37:37 <dauwhe> ... and Daniel in Readium

... and Daniel in Readium

16:37:49 <dauwhe> ... can we put togehter a proof-of-concept implementation

... can we put togehter a proof-of-concept implementation

16:37:55 <tzviya> q?

Tzviya Siegman: q?

16:37:57 <dauwhe> ... and this might surface other issues

... and this might surface other issues

16:38:25 <dauwhe> ... and I can't do it all by myself

... and I can't do it all by myself

16:38:34 <dauwhe> tzviya: we haven't talked much about an archive format

Tzviya Siegman: we haven't talked much about an archive format

16:39:00 <ayla_stein> YES

Ayla Stein: YES

16:39:08 <ayla_stein> *waves*

Ayla Stein: *waves*

16:39:09 <dauwhe> ... which is nice for pubs but crucuial for the library community

... which is nice for pubs but crucuial for the library community

16:39:19 <dauwhe> ... it would involve talking with other communities

... it would involve talking with other communities

16:39:32 <HeatherF> Yep

Heather Flanagan: Yep

16:39:35 <dauwhe> ... heather has some involvement, too

... heather has some involvement, too

16:39:38 <dauwhe> ... and Lars

... and Lars

16:39:47 <dauwhe> ... who was sitting in at TPAC

... who was sitting in at TPAC

16:39:58 <dauwhe> ... so we do have some members involved with the library community

... so we do have some members involved with the library community

16:40:21 <dauwhe> ... and dauwhe posted a link to a service worker experiment

... and dauwhe posted a link to a service worker experiment

16:40:35 <dauwhe> ivan: we have to look at the document

Ivan Herman: we have to look at the document

16:40:44 <dauwhe> ... the document can be used as a scratch pad

... the document can be used as a scratch pad

16:41:04 <dauwhe> ... we put in sections on technical areas that must be addressed

... we put in sections on technical areas that must be addressed

16:41:19 <dauwhe> ... we can use same approach for what library/archiving community needs

... we can use same approach for what library/archiving community needs

16:41:26 <dauwhe> ... so we may need a new task force

... so we may need a new task force

16:41:35 <dauwhe> ... and looking at what's there... is it OK or not

... and looking at what's there... is it OK or not

16:42:00 <dauwhe> tzviya: before we move on to acme publishing

Tzviya Siegman: before we move on to acme publishing

16:42:08 <TimCole> yes

Timothy Cole: yes

16:42:09 <ayla_stein> yep

Ayla Stein: yep

16:42:18 <dauwhe> ... ayla, tim, heather... can you begin exploring library/archiving stuff?

... ayla, tim, heather... can you begin exploring library/archiving stuff?

16:42:21 <HeatherF> Yes, though I need to some guidance on exactly what to ask.

Heather Flanagan: Yes, though I need to some guidance on exactly what to ask.

16:42:31 <dauwhe> tzviya: do we want a timeline?

Tzviya Siegman: do we want a timeline?

16:42:53 <dauwhe> HeatherF: I'm happy to reach out to library community; I need guidance on what we're asking for

Heather Flanagan: I'm happy to reach out to library community; I need guidance on what we're asking for

16:43:01 <dauwhe> TimCole: scope will determine timeline

Timothy Cole: scope will determine timeline

16:43:11 <dauwhe> ... but this is of great interest to library community

... but this is of great interest to library community

16:43:26 <dauwhe> ... what are the obligations of an archive as formats evolve

... what are the obligations of an archive as formats evolve

16:43:39 <dauwhe> ivan: I see a task force forming

Ivan Herman: I see a task force forming

16:43:46 <dauwhe> TimCole: what kinds of things would be needed?

Timothy Cole: what kinds of things would be needed?

16:44:01 <dauwhe> tzviya: the first step would be looking at the PWPWP section about archiving

Tzviya Siegman: the first step would be looking at the PWPWP section about archiving

16:44:13 <dauwhe> ... and asking people involved in archiving if their use cases are addressed

... and asking people involved in archiving if their use cases are addressed

16:44:23 <dauwhe> .... that's a basic first step

.... that's a basic first step

16:44:28 <dauwhe> TimCole: we can come up with more use cases

Timothy Cole: we can come up with more use cases

16:44:44 <dauwhe> ivan: once those use cases are clear in our minds, how does it influence the rest of the document

Ivan Herman: once those use cases are clear in our minds, how does it influence the rest of the document

16:45:02 <dauwhe> Bill_Kasdorf: there's an intersection with the locator group, which is versioning

Bill Kasdorf: there's an intersection with the locator group, which is versioning

16:45:07 <dauwhe> TimCole: definitely

Timothy Cole: definitely

16:45:28 <dauwhe> ... should we go off now and come up with ideas?

... should we go off now and come up with ideas?

16:45:36 <dauwhe> ivan: go on

Ivan Herman: go on

16:45:44 <dauwhe> ... I don't think Markus has specific things in mind

... I don't think Markus has specific things in mind

16:46:09 <dauwhe> TimCole: given the holiday, it's probably premature to plan on this as topic for next week, but maybe the week after

Timothy Cole: given the holiday, it's probably premature to plan on this as topic for next week, but maybe the week after

16:46:10 <HeatherF> Email works fo rme.

Heather Flanagan: Email works fo rme.

16:46:17 <ivan> q+

Ivan Herman: q+

16:46:18 <dauwhe> ... we can discuss on email with interested parties

... we can discuss on email with interested parties

16:46:23 <tzviya> ack iv

Tzviya Siegman: ack iv

16:46:25 <dauwhe> tzviya: ivan, can you reach out to Lars?

Tzviya Siegman: ivan, can you reach out to Lars?

16:46:31 <dauwhe> ivan: yes

Ivan Herman: yes

16:46:43 <dauwhe> ... first, let's see what Tim et al come up with; then we can bring in Lars

... first, let's see what Tim et al come up with; then we can bring in Lars

16:46:51 <dauwhe> ... we need something more tangible for him

... we need something more tangible for him

16:46:59 <dauwhe> tzviya: you were on the queue

Tzviya Siegman: you were on the queue

16:47:08 <ivan> ack ivan

Ivan Herman: ack ivan

16:47:09 <dauwhe> ivan: Yes

Ivan Herman: Yes

16:47:19 <dauwhe> tzviya: we were going to look at acme publishing

Tzviya Siegman: we were going to look at acme publishing

16:48:27 <pkra> even MathJax works offline :)

Peter Krautzberger: even MathJax works offline :)

16:48:34 <pkra> so cool, dauwhe!

Peter Krautzberger: so cool, dauwhe!

16:49:00 <dauwhe> ivan: if I take heat radiation

Ivan Herman: if I take heat radiation

16:49:13 <pkra> (caveat emptor: which has some horrible MathML coding...)

Peter Krautzberger: (caveat emptor: which has some horrible MathML coding...)

16:50:28 <dauwhe> ivan: the question is how can we use this starting code and publications

Ivan Herman: the question is how can we use this starting code and publications

16:50:34 <dauwhe> ... as being a proof of concept for PWP

... as being a proof of concept for PWP

16:50:44 <dauwhe> ... from your point of view, what are the missing bits

... from your point of view, what are the missing bits

16:51:22 <tzviya> q?

Tzviya Siegman: q?

16:52:35 <dauwhe> tzviya: epub comes with a lot; somethings that's good and sometimes it's bad

Tzviya Siegman: epub comes with a lot; somethings that's good and sometimes it's bad

16:52:53 <dauwhe> ... maybe we can improve the a11y

... maybe we can improve the a11y

16:53:00 <dauwhe> tzviya: there's more to do with this

Tzviya Siegman: there's more to do with this

16:53:09 <dauwhe> ... it exists in a rudimentary way, but we can add more

... it exists in a rudimentary way, but we can add more

16:53:15 <dauwhe> ivan: from our point of view

Ivan Herman: from our point of view

16:53:21 <dauwhe> ... what I would like to separate

... what I would like to separate

16:53:33 <dauwhe> ... what should be done by a smart implementation

... what should be done by a smart implementation

16:53:48 <dauwhe> ... and what is necessary to add to the basic technology

... and what is necessary to add to the basic technology

16:54:02 <dauwhe> ... in a way, the user interface is not our job

... in a way, the user interface is not our job

16:54:32 <dauwhe> dauwhe: but we want the format to at least make this kind of thing possible

Dave Cramer: but we want the format to at least make this kind of thing possible

16:55:01 <dauwhe> tzviya: it would be helpful to get more feedback, review from more people

Tzviya Siegman: it would be helpful to get more feedback, review from more people

16:55:12 <tzviya> q?

Tzviya Siegman: q?

16:55:16 <dauwhe> me astearns: LOL

astearns: LOL

16:55:16 <pkra> yes.

Peter Krautzberger: yes.

16:55:22 <ayla_stein> ...not really

Ayla Stein: ...not really

16:55:26 <dauwhe> s/me//me/
16:55:30 <ayla_stein> no

Ayla Stein: no

16:55:39 <dauwhe> tzviya: we've been assuming people are familiar with service workers

Tzviya Siegman: we've been assuming people are familiar with service workers

16:55:47 <dauwhe> ... but some might not be so familiar with this work

... but some might not be so familiar with this work

16:55:58 <ayla_stein> okay, thank you!

Ayla Stein: okay, thank you!

16:56:03 <ayla_stein> I'll try to do some reading too

Ayla Stein: I'll try to do some reading too

16:56:04 <dauwhe> ... we have just five minutes, but should give more background

... we have just five minutes, but should give more background

16:56:24 <dauwhe> ivan: and how does it relate to the pwp conversation

Ivan Herman: and how does it relate to the pwp conversation

16:56:33 <Daniel-Weck> Service Workers: I posted comments in response to Ivan's issue on GitHub:

Daniel Weck: Service Workers: I posted comments in response to Ivan's issue on GitHub:

16:56:33 <Daniel-Weck> https://github.com/w3c/dpub-pwp/issues/6#issuecomment-158994118

Daniel Weck: https://github.com/w3c/dpub-pwp/issues/6#issuecomment-158994118

16:56:38 <dauwhe> tzviya: next time we talk about this, we'll give more background

Tzviya Siegman: next time we talk about this, we'll give more background

16:56:48 <Bill_Kasdorf> Proposed motto for Acme Publishing: When you have an anvil, everything looks like a roadrunner.

Bill Kasdorf: Proposed motto for Acme Publishing: When you have an anvil, everything looks like a roadrunner.

16:56:52 <dauwhe> ... please look and give Dave feedback

... please look and give Dave feedback

16:56:59 <dauwhe> ... and tell us if it's creating trouble

... and tell us if it's creating trouble

16:57:12 <tzviya> q?

Tzviya Siegman: q?

16:57:45 <dauwhe> ivan: do we want to do a cleaned-up repo as PWP proof of concept eventually

Ivan Herman: do we want to do a cleaned-up repo as PWP proof of concept eventually

16:58:23 <dauwhe> ... it would be great to have non-books there

... it would be great to have non-books there

16:58:49 <dauwhe> ... it would be great to have academic papers, to have magazines

... it would be great to have academic papers, to have magazines

16:58:58 <pkra> +q

Peter Krautzberger: +q

16:59:01 <dauwhe> ... that may bring up new issues

... that may bring up new issues

16:59:15 <dauwhe> tzviya: I'm working on 7 journals; I'll find out if I can publish anything

Tzviya Siegman: I'm working on 7 journals; I'll find out if I can publish anything

16:59:48 <dauwhe> Bill_Kasdorf: I'm sure you can take a PLOS article

Bill Kasdorf: I'm sure you can take a PLOS article

17:00:02 <tzviya> ack pk

Tzviya Siegman: ack pk

17:00:04 <dauwhe> tzviya: open access is tricky

Tzviya Siegman: open access is tricky

17:00:11 <dauwhe> pkra: I just wanted to volunteer

Peter Krautzberger: I just wanted to volunteer

17:00:17 <dauwhe> ... to help with this part

... to help with this part

17:00:20 <dauwhe> tzviya: excellent

Tzviya Siegman: excellent

17:00:31 <pkra> +1

Peter Krautzberger: +1

17:00:38 <nickbarreto> me +1 Dave is great

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Unknown nickbarreto: me +1 Dave is great

17:00:40 <ivan> Dave is great!

Ivan Herman: Dave is great!

17:00:41 <tzviya> for the record, dave is great

Tzviya Siegman: for the record, dave is great

17:00:43 <ayla_stein> +1

Ayla Stein: +1

17:00:53 <clapierre> +1 Dave!

Charles LaPierre: +1 Dave!

17:01:37 <pkra> q+ is there a link to dauwhe's repo?

Peter Krautzberger: q+ is there a link to dauwhe's repo?

17:01:38 <Bert> (Is there documentation what rel/class/ID attributes you need to add to make a set of pages into a publication?)

Bert Bos: (Is there documentation what rel/class/ID attributes you need to add to make a set of pages into a publication?)

17:01:47 <ivan> https://dauwhe.github.io/epub-zero/acme-publishing/

Ivan Herman: https://dauwhe.github.io/epub-zero/acme-publishing/

17:01:54 <pkra> got it.

Peter Krautzberger: got it.

17:01:56 <dauwhe> pkra: https://github.com/dauwhe/epub-zero

Peter Krautzberger: https://github.com/dauwhe/epub-zero

17:02:16 <pkra> dauwhe is great.

Peter Krautzberger: dauwhe is great.

17:02:17 <dauwhe> tzviya: any closing remarks?

Tzviya Siegman: any closing remarks?

17:02:19 <dauwhe> (silence)

(silence)

17:02:44 <ayla_stein> thanks!

Ayla Stein: thanks!

17:02:48 <dauwhe> tzviya: happy thanksgiving etc

Tzviya Siegman: happy thanksgiving etc

17:02:50 <HeatherF> All Americans, enjoy your holiday. All Europeans, enjoy your holiday from Americans.

Heather Flanagan: All Americans, enjoy your holiday. All Europeans, enjoy your holiday from Americans.

17:02:54 <dauwhe> (more hilarity)

(more hilarity)

17:03:49 <ivan> Regrets+ Markus_Gylling

Ivan Herman: Regrets+ Markus_Gylling

17:03:56 <ivan> rrsagent, draft minutes

Ivan Herman: rrsagent, draft minutes

17:03:56 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/11/23-dpub-minutes.html ivan

RRSAgent IRC Bot: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/11/23-dpub-minutes.html ivan

17:04:09 <ivan> zakim, end telcon

Ivan Herman: zakim, end telcon

17:04:09 <Zakim> I don't understand 'end telcon', ivan

Zakim IRC Bot: I don't understand 'end telcon', ivan

17:04:17 <ivan> trackbot, end telcon

Ivan Herman: trackbot, end telcon

17:04:17 <trackbot> Zakim, list attendees

Trackbot IRC Bot: Zakim, list attendees

17:04:17 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been Tzviya_Siegman, Charles_LaPierre, Karen, Dave_Cramer, Ivan_Herman, duga, Tim_Cole, astearns, nick_barreto, ayla_stein, Deborah_Kaplan,

Zakim IRC Bot: As of this point the attendees have been Tzviya_Siegman, Charles_LaPierre, Karen, Dave_Cramer, Ivan_Herman, duga, Tim_Cole, astearns, nick_barreto, ayla_stein, Deborah_Kaplan,

17:04:20 <Zakim> ... Peter, Krautzberger, Liam_Quin, Daniel_Weck, Bert, Romain, Deltour, Bill_Kasdorf

Zakim IRC Bot: ... Peter, Krautzberger, Liam_Quin, Daniel_Weck, Bert, Romain, Deltour, Bill_Kasdorf

17:04:25 <trackbot> RRSAgent, please draft minutes

Trackbot IRC Bot: RRSAgent, please draft minutes

17:04:25 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/11/23-dpub-minutes.html trackbot

RRSAgent IRC Bot: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/11/23-dpub-minutes.html trackbot

17:04:26 <trackbot> RRSAgent, bye

Trackbot IRC Bot: RRSAgent, bye

17:04:26 <RRSAgent> I see no action items

RRSAgent IRC Bot: I see no action items



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